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[06-Apr-2011 14:11:45] <nyeates> Does anyone in here log their IRC sessions, and are often or always in this chan?
[06-Apr-2011 14:12:13] <nyeates> we lost some logs for this channel and wondering if someone else might have them
[06-Apr-2011 14:12:41] <robos> Hi: for this eth0 alert, is it in kb or bytes? threshold of high utilization exceeded: current value 953961.00
[06-Apr-2011 14:13:29] <nyeates> look at the graph, it ussually has units
[06-Apr-2011 14:13:50] <robos> really?
[06-Apr-2011 14:13:55] <robos> I don't see eth0 graphed at all
[06-Apr-2011 14:14:15] <robos> what am i missing?
[06-Apr-2011 14:14:25] <Sam-I-Am> robos: generally snmp reports bytes
[06-Apr-2011 14:14:27] <nyeates> click on the component, then on the lower portion of the page, there is a drop down that you can select 'graphs' for
[06-Apr-2011 14:14:31] <Sam-I-Am> you can make it bits in RPN
[06-Apr-2011 14:15:13] <Sam-I-Am> the threshold just deals with the post-rpn value
[06-Apr-2011 14:15:20] <Sam-I-Am> if you leave it bytes, its bytes
[06-Apr-2011 14:15:24] <Sam-I-Am> if you change it to bits, its bits
[06-Apr-2011 14:15:50] <robos> ty nyeates, you're right
[06-Apr-2011 14:15:52] <robos> didn't know that
[06-Apr-2011 14:16:19] <Sam-I-Am> nyeates: i'm always in here but dont log :/
[06-Apr-2011 14:18:57] <robos> man, am i really seeing this right. Getting an alert on  953961.00 "bits" of data. That's not even 1mb. Am I missing something?
[06-Apr-2011 14:19:25] <Sam-I-Am> is it bits? and whats the threshold set to?
[06-Apr-2011 14:19:34] <Sam-I-Am> theres a default one that comes with the template
[06-Apr-2011 14:20:46] <robos> Not sure. (here.speed or 1e9) / 8 * .75 is what i see
[06-Apr-2011 14:21:03] <robos> Yeah Sam-I-Am, I'm using the default one that comes with the template
[06-Apr-2011 14:21:24] <robos> The graph and the alert are inconsistent though. The graph shows peaks of 10 million bits
[06-Apr-2011 14:22:18] <robos> So the graph is showing bits, but I have reason to believe this alert is in bytes
[06-Apr-2011 14:22:53] <Sam-I-Am> so here.speed is interface speed (if it knows) ... / 8 for bytes and * .75 to make it 75% of that value
[06-Apr-2011 14:23:12] <Sam-I-Am> so interface speed is some variant of bits
[06-Apr-2011 14:23:42] <robos> ah, so it is in bytes
[06-Apr-2011 14:23:44] <robos> great call
[06-Apr-2011 14:23:56] <Sam-I-Am> the snmp oids return bytes
[06-Apr-2011 14:24:02] <Sam-I-Am> aka octets
[06-Apr-2011 14:24:12] <Sam-I-Am> i always convert them to bits, but thats just me
[06-Apr-2011 14:24:19] <robos> cool; ty for the info
[06-Apr-2011 14:24:56] <davetoo> octomoms
[06-Apr-2011 14:29:34] <_mike> is there an easy command line was to select all active events and mark them acknowledged ?
[06-Apr-2011 14:29:41] <_mike> *way
[06-Apr-2011 14:33:06] <subbu> hi all in zenoss 3.1.0 when i am binding the template i am not getting the things which are there in the comman temoplate
[06-Apr-2011 14:33:14] <subbu> can any one please help me out
[06-Apr-2011 14:33:26] <subbu> even i created the local template as well
[06-Apr-2011 14:40:14] <jdross> has anyone used the fping zenpack,  I have it running zencommand falls over after a few minutes repeatedly
[06-Apr-2011 14:40:24] <jdross> zen.zencommand: Deleting command
[06-Apr-2011 14:40:32] <jdross> I get that error when it happens
[06-Apr-2011 14:41:06] <Sashness> jdross: I used it for awhile but never had that issue. I ended up removing it for most of my servers since it added too much IO to the system
[06-Apr-2011 14:48:44] <chemist> hello
[06-Apr-2011 14:49:56] <chemist> I have a device (linux) that I can ping and snmpwalk from my zenoss server
[06-Apr-2011 14:50:07] <chemist> but zenoss keeps reporting it as down
[06-Apr-2011 16:40:05] <rmatte> chemist: decrease the zMaxOIDPerRequest zProperty on it from 40 to 10
[06-Apr-2011 16:40:20] <rmatte> and if it still gives you the issue, try different values below 10
[06-Apr-2011 16:40:43] <rmatte> also, are you sure that you don't know paranoid security settings in your snmpd.conf?
[06-Apr-2011 16:40:53] <rmatte> By default the settings are paranoid, you need to change them
[06-Apr-2011 16:41:15] <rmatte> also, net-snmp should accept v1 and v2 of snmp, but make sure that Zenoss is using a version that it's responding to
[06-Apr-2011 16:41:22] <rmatte> those are the best suggestions I can make
[06-Apr-2011 16:42:00] <rmatte> That should have read: "are you sure that you don't HAVE paranoid security settings in your snmpd.conf?"
[06-Apr-2011 16:42:03] <rmatte> end of day, brain fried
[06-Apr-2011 16:57:03] <zykes->  https://code.launchpad.net/~therve/storm/twisted-integration
[06-Apr-2011 16:58:53] <zykes-> doh, pasted wrong
[06-Apr-2011 17:12:49] <rmatte> well, I'm done for the day, later folks
[06-Apr-2011 17:36:38] <martin__> how do I "unbind" a monitoring template?
[06-Apr-2011 17:36:53] <martin__> it supposed to be a component only template, not of device type
[06-Apr-2011 17:36:58] <nyeates> rmatte, you around?
[06-Apr-2011 17:37:49] <nyeates> unbind
[06-Apr-2011 17:38:05] <martin__> ?
[06-Apr-2011 17:38:07] <nyeates> in 2.5+, you are nto supposed to be able to bind a component template
[06-Apr-2011 17:38:15] <nyeates> how did you get it bound in first place?
[06-Apr-2011 17:38:33] <martin__> well i'm on 3.1
[06-Apr-2011 17:38:38] <martin__> and that's a big question
[06-Apr-2011 17:38:53] <martin__> i have no idea why it was bound. i've created it in proper device class, for manageability
[06-Apr-2011 17:39:15] <martin__> it's labeled as "component" template right now
[06-Apr-2011 17:39:57] <martin__> and wouldn't you believe it, it's workign for that component, but in addition i get a graph in "general graphs" section
[06-Apr-2011 17:40:03] <martin__> which is empty and wrong, of course
[06-Apr-2011 17:44:55] <martin__> what do I do now?:)
[06-Apr-2011 17:56:09] <martin__> answer's here: message/53479#53479
[06-Apr-2011 17:56:13] <martin__> thankss!!
[06-Apr-2011 18:45:45] <kingstonlee> I installed the memcached zenpack (2.4) to my Zenoss (2.5) instance, followed the instructions on docs/DOC-5887, and i'm getting broken images in the perf graphs
[06-Apr-2011 18:47:16] <kingstonlee> not really sure why, as I tried running the check_memcached.py, which shows me the information i'm expecting
[06-Apr-2011 18:47:48] <kingstonlee> any idea of where i can troubleshoot?
[06-Apr-2011 23:01:10] <twb> Is zenoss supposed to work in webkit browsers?
[06-Apr-2011 23:01:51] <twb> In midori, I get the "dashboard | events | ...." bar along the top, but nothing in the body (when looking at edemo.zenoss.com)
[06-Apr-2011 23:03:30] <Sam-I-Am> i believe only firefox and IE are "officially" supported
[06-Apr-2011 23:03:33] <twb> It doesn't work at all in emacs-w3m, either.
[06-Apr-2011 23:03:35] <Sam-I-Am> ymmv with other browsers
[06-Apr-2011 23:03:38] <twb> Sam-I-Am: lame.
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[07-Apr-2011 02:10:07] <Sam-I-Am> awesome, zenoss is still checking a device i deleted
[07-Apr-2011 03:36:43] <creamers> good morning, good afternoon, good evening everybody around the world
[07-Apr-2011 03:37:18] <creamers> is it alright (as newbie) to ask questions in here or only for developers ?
[07-Apr-2011 03:41:12] <creamers> zenoss forum message message/57949#57949  ...components are there, but would like to disable them if possible..
[07-Apr-2011 04:14:30] <fragfutter> creamers: ignore the templates, just don't model them. Then zenoss doesn't discover the component and won't collect any data
[07-Apr-2011 04:19:19] <creamers> fragfutter: could you explain it a little more. What do you mean when saying 'ignore the templates'. You mean the zDeviceTemplates ? Or how do I choose not to model them?
[07-Apr-2011 04:20:33] <fragfutter> creamers: zenoss 2 or 3?
[07-Apr-2011 04:21:00] <creamers> 3
[07-Apr-2011 04:21:42] <fragfutter> creamers: Infrastructure -> select device class on the left, click blue details arrow -> select modeler plugins, remove any plugin on the right side you don't want to model.
[07-Apr-2011 04:22:41] <creamers> I did that...first made a screenshot and then removed all of the modelers. Still showing components....should I wait more than an hour or can I force ?
[07-Apr-2011 04:25:05] <fragfutter> creamers: device needs to remodel. this is done by default every 12h. You can force it through the web. Select device, click gears on the bottom left, model device. Or through the CLI. login as user zenoss on the zenoss server. Run zenmodeler run --now --monitor localhost -F -d devicename
[07-Apr-2011 04:28:16] <creamers> thanks fragfutter ! going to explore some more !   (if you know where to find some more wmi examples to create alerts that would be nice...but still looking)
[07-Apr-2011 04:28:34] <fragfutter> creamers: not doing any windows stuff
[07-Apr-2011 04:30:11] <creamers> oke..;) thanks for you help!
[07-Apr-2011 04:33:43] <fragfutter> you are welcome. this channel is normaly active in the (central europe) evening.
[07-Apr-2011 04:44:26] <creamers> oke, probably many usa people I'm dutch, you?
[07-Apr-2011 04:44:36] <fragfutter> german.
[07-Apr-2011 04:53:34] <creamers> I notice that many components disappear, but still 5 present...modeler completely empty.. Another question if you have the time: Modelers are used to collect data so without modelers none of the monitoring template work?! am i right? Or are modelers used for components and are monitoring templates seperate 'engines' ?
[07-Apr-2011 04:53:57] <Simon4> monitoring templates are either assigned to "devices" or "components"
[07-Apr-2011 04:54:15] <Simon4> turning off modelling will stop templates being applied to components, but any already-assigned ones will continue to work
[07-Apr-2011 04:54:25] <Simon4> templates assigned manually to devices are unaffected by modelling
[07-Apr-2011 04:56:30] <creamers> ah! maybe I should try to assign a template to a 'component' to see the 'big' picture
[07-Apr-2011 04:56:42] <creamers> i read somewhere they have to have the same name?
[07-Apr-2011 04:57:22] <Simon4> yeah they must match exactly
[07-Apr-2011 04:57:37] <Simon4> then when the component gets added by the modeller, the template is bound
[07-Apr-2011 05:16:30] <kokey> phew
[07-Apr-2011 05:16:38] <kokey> hopefully things will become less stressful at work
[07-Apr-2011 05:30:43] <Simon4> kokey: how did the upgrade go in the end?
[07-Apr-2011 05:32:28] <froztbyte> Simon4: he's online, isn't he?
[07-Apr-2011 05:32:51] <Simon4> froztbyte: I guess he wasn't sacked then
[07-Apr-2011 05:35:27] <creamers> Simon4: for example:  one component File Systems shows 3 harddisks with % free space etc.  I created a monitor template named File Systems (locally defined). How can I use this %free space value in this new template..? any tips for me?
[07-Apr-2011 05:35:42] <Simon4> creamers: ah... not quite
[07-Apr-2011 05:35:53] <Simon4> there's a template called "harddisk" which is applied to each harddisk
[07-Apr-2011 05:36:01] <Simon4> you can't create a template called File Systems
[07-Apr-2011 05:36:29] * fragfutter . o O (o yes he can, he just did, it just doesn't help him
[07-Apr-2011 05:36:31] <Simon4> try clicking on one of the harddisks and then selecting "template" from the drop-down menu, you'll see the template there
[07-Apr-2011 05:36:54] <Simon4> Simon4: you can't create a template called File Systems and have it do what you think it does
[07-Apr-2011 05:38:20] <fragfutter> Simon4: are you talking about the zenoss2 interface?
[07-Apr-2011 05:38:34] <Simon4> fragfutter: I was making an attempt to remember the v3 interface
[07-Apr-2011 05:39:14] <creamers> hehehe
[07-Apr-2011 05:39:31] * Simon4 needs more coffee before conversing with fragfutter
[07-Apr-2011 05:39:32] <creamers> clicking it brought me to the right filesystem template
[07-Apr-2011 05:40:24] <creamers> just don't see the whole picture yet...
[07-Apr-2011 05:41:12] <Simon4> creamers: so that filesystem template is only bound at modelling time, when the filesystem component is added. You can't add those manually, only by a modeller plugin
[07-Apr-2011 05:41:32] <Simon4> you can modify the tempate though to collect other stuff if you know other values in that OID tree, or change the default graphs, etc
[07-Apr-2011 05:41:43] <Simon4> (or thresholds, also)
[07-Apr-2011 05:42:19] <creamers> how and when a template / component / modeler etc is used/bound etc
[07-Apr-2011 05:42:37] <fragfutter> creamers: go to advanced -> monitoring templates
[07-Apr-2011 05:42:45] <creamers> y
[07-Apr-2011 05:42:45] <fragfutter> anything with a snowflake in front is a component
[07-Apr-2011 05:42:50] <froztbyte> Simon4: haha
[07-Apr-2011 05:43:11] <creamers> version 3 shows a spider web
[07-Apr-2011 05:43:51] <fragfutter> you never bind snowflakes manually. They are bound during model time. The modeller finds a component it searches for the template by walking up the device-class-tree until it finds a template with the exact same name
[07-Apr-2011 05:44:53] <creamers> so when adding modelers I actually adding also snowflakes automatically...
[07-Apr-2011 05:45:29] <fragfutter> creamers: if you components do performance monitoring, then they add snowflakes.
[07-Apr-2011 05:45:36] <creamers> What bothers me about all those components is that it scans alot all the time that I probably don't need
[07-Apr-2011 05:45:53] <fragfutter> creamers: you can also have components that don't do perfomance monitoring.
[07-Apr-2011 05:46:07] <fragfutter> creamers: no it doesn't scan all the time
[07-Apr-2011 05:46:41] <fragfutter> creamers: only during modelling. Afterwards zenoss knows which components are available on your device. Only for these it will collect performance and availability data.
[07-Apr-2011 05:46:57] <creamers> oke, that i do understand, but I would really only scan what I would like to use...
[07-Apr-2011 05:47:27] <fragfutter> creamers: then you need to configure your modeler plugins so they only search for components you think are available.
[07-Apr-2011 05:47:42] <creamers> so addming a modeler could resolve in adding more and more components/snowflaked templates
[07-Apr-2011 05:48:17] <fragfutter> creamers: it doesn't matter how many snowflakes are in the template tree.
[07-Apr-2011 05:50:07] <fragfutter> creamers: adding a device in zenoss places it somehwere in the device class tree (infrastructure->devices). From this location zenoss knows which modeler plugins should be run for this device. Once you model the device it will discover components of the device. For each component it will bind templates. Modeling is by default done every 12h. You can disable automatic remodeling if you want.
[07-Apr-2011 05:50:54] <fragfutter> creamers: once the device is modeled and the components are known, zenoss will gather performance and availability data of the devices components. Only of the known components. this is done every five minutes.
[07-Apr-2011 05:51:17] <fragfutter> creamers: if you add for example another harddisk, zenoss won't discover it until you remodel the device.
[07-Apr-2011 05:51:24] <fragfutter> creamers: and it won't collect data for it.
[07-Apr-2011 05:51:45] <creamers> fragfutter: ah! oke, so I don't have to create my own template if it already exists.
[07-Apr-2011 05:52:14] <fragfutter> correct
[07-Apr-2011 05:52:17] <creamers> problem is that I maybe want one server with other tresholds that anoter one
[07-Apr-2011 05:53:37] <fragfutter> then you need to add a template FileSystem for this server and customize it.
[07-Apr-2011 05:55:09] <fragfutter> zenoss is a lot about automatic discovery and default values. If every system has a custom configuration, you will hate zenoss
[07-Apr-2011 06:08:18] <creamers> fragfutter: yes, but to much 'auto' is to much for me ..I want to be in control not zenoss over me
[07-Apr-2011 06:08:38] <fragfutter> creamers: then use nagios
[07-Apr-2011 06:08:58] <creamers> fragfutter: lol, think nagios is the other way around...right?
[07-Apr-2011 06:09:43] <fragfutter> creamers: you can also define templates in nagios. But most setups are rather specific.
[07-Apr-2011 06:13:37] <creamers> fragfutter: If i create a template named FileSystem and connect it to /devices/windows then this one overrules the component template?
[07-Apr-2011 06:14:06] <creamers> this way I could create specific tresholds for device classes
[07-Apr-2011 06:21:06] <_TORNADO_> hi! anybody there?
[07-Apr-2011 06:34:29] <kokey> i wonder how to check if a device has been moved to a system
[07-Apr-2011 06:34:34] <kokey> actually, I know
[07-Apr-2011 06:34:36] <kokey> nevermind
[07-Apr-2011 06:34:44] <kokey> I remember now what my actual problem is
[07-Apr-2011 06:35:03] <kokey> if I add a device to a system, using addSystem
[07-Apr-2011 06:35:12] <kokey> and do a dmd.Systems.Systemname.devices
[07-Apr-2011 06:35:14] <kokey> it shows up
[07-Apr-2011 06:35:17] <kokey> but not in the interface
[07-Apr-2011 06:36:00] <fragfutter> kokey: i would guess that it is not in the ZCatalog index
[07-Apr-2011 06:36:37] <kokey> ZCatalog index?
[07-Apr-2011 06:36:59] <fragfutter> creamers: yes. so the theory
[07-Apr-2011 06:37:03] <fragfutter> creamers: never tried
[07-Apr-2011 06:37:10] <fragfutter> creamers: alternative is using a custom property
[07-Apr-2011 06:37:18] <kokey> also, I am not sure if there is a way for addSystem to return if it's been successful or not
[07-Apr-2011 06:37:36] <fragfutter> kokey: if you mess with objects through the dmd you can forget to update indexes.
[07-Apr-2011 06:37:51] <kokey> fragfutter: so will a reindex maybe sort it out?
[07-Apr-2011 06:38:08] <fragfutter> froztbyte: the zenoss3 gui relies on the indexes (one of the speedup improvements)
[07-Apr-2011 06:38:20] <fragfutter> kokey: yes. or manually update the zcatalog.
[07-Apr-2011 06:38:59] <kokey> ah ok so the interface actually uses the zcatalog, but that's not necessarily up to date
[07-Apr-2011 06:41:36] <froztbyte> fragfutter: *blink*
[07-Apr-2011 06:41:48] <froztbyte> fragfutter: good to know, but why me?
[07-Apr-2011 06:43:59] <kokey> fragfutter: ok i guess one way is if i modify something, i can run a reindex afterward, but that takes ages
[07-Apr-2011 06:44:11] <kokey> fragfutter: another is to figure out how to do the zcatalog updates too
[07-Apr-2011 06:44:37] <kokey> unless i can find a more elegant way of adding devices to systems
[07-Apr-2011 06:53:14] <kokey> yikes
[07-Apr-2011 06:53:25] <kokey> reindex() is now borked
[07-Apr-2011 06:53:35] <kokey> ConflictError: database conflict error (oid 0x1ac787, class BTrees.IIBTree.IISet, serial this txn started with 0x038d7811f11d3311 2011-04-06 22:41:56.511108, serial currently committed 0x038d7ae1f33c92ee 2011-04-07 10:41:57.008582)
[07-Apr-2011 07:38:57] <creamers> question: is it possible to connect plugins to a deviceclass? I only see the modeler plugins when clicking on a specific device..
[07-Apr-2011 07:40:01] <fragfutter> creamers: infrastructure -> device classes -> blue details arrow at the top of the left pane.
[07-Apr-2011 07:41:01] <creamers> ah damn! .. thank you fragfutter !! sorry for these noob questions
[07-Apr-2011 07:41:31] <fragfutter> creamers: IMHO the blue details arrow is a bad design decission.
[07-Apr-2011 07:42:27] <creamers> but it feels like I'm configuring alot with a few buttons ...easy interface for a complex program
[07-Apr-2011 07:42:30] <creamers> thx
[07-Apr-2011 07:51:27] <creamers> resulting a another question. I see I overridden some zCollectorPlugins on several devices. Is there a way to undo and make sure that this device inherits it's plugins from it's parent again ?
[07-Apr-2011 07:56:21] <fragfutter> creamers: go to the device and check zProperties/Configuration Properties. The right column tells you freom where this value is inherited. At the bottom you can delete local properties
[07-Apr-2011 08:00:39] <creamers> fragfutter: you are saving me days of searching! Thank you! (don't answer my questions if you are busy or annoyed by me;) I understand)
[07-Apr-2011 09:36:59] <creamers> is it possible to ignore a template at the child device class?
[07-Apr-2011 09:37:34] <davetoo> What kind of template?
[07-Apr-2011 09:37:36] <Sashness> creamers: you can manually unbind it from that child device or device class
[07-Apr-2011 09:37:53] <Sashness> assuming your talking about a monitoring template
[07-Apr-2011 09:38:06] <creamers> Sashness: yes, but i don't want to unbind it, cause everything else from the parent i want
[07-Apr-2011 09:38:56] <davetoo> ?
[07-Apr-2011 09:39:14] <Sashness> you would leave it on the parent but unbind it from the device it self
[07-Apr-2011 09:39:37] <davetoo> By default you generally have the Device template defined in zDeviceTemplates.
[07-Apr-2011 09:39:58] <Sashness> did you only want parts of the template?
[07-Apr-2011 09:40:04] <creamers> yes think I messed up in my brain!
[07-Apr-2011 09:40:12] <Sashness> hehe
[07-Apr-2011 09:40:47] <creamers> let me re-think 
[07-Apr-2011 09:41:08] <Sashness> no problem
[07-Apr-2011 09:41:15] <davetoo> What is the problem/symptom you are trying to solve?
[07-Apr-2011 09:41:29] <Sam-I-Am> moo.
[07-Apr-2011 09:41:44] <davetoo> baaaah
[07-Apr-2011 09:42:46] <davetoo> I need a project to force me to learn Java
[07-Apr-2011 09:45:33] <Sam-I-Am> i'm sorry
[07-Apr-2011 09:46:08] <fragfutter> davetoo: why, you can solve everything in python
[07-Apr-2011 09:46:27] <fragfutter> davetoo: and as a last resort you can always code jython...
[07-Apr-2011 09:56:19] <davetoo> fragfutter: hadoop
[07-Apr-2011 09:56:46] <davetoo> plus, it's come up in interviews
[07-Apr-2011 10:00:02] * Sam-I-Am tries to downplay coding at interviews
[07-Apr-2011 10:00:22] <Sam-I-Am> at least languages like java
[07-Apr-2011 10:01:03] <davetoo> I only want to learn enough to support a few things.  Hadoop, neo4j, and some GIS tools.
[07-Apr-2011 10:34:30] <faiz> hi
[07-Apr-2011 10:35:12] <Sashness> hello
[07-Apr-2011 10:35:32] <faiz> Just wondering can send the reportmail in zenoss in PDF format
[07-Apr-2011 10:35:51] <faiz> Any help will highly appriciable
[07-Apr-2011 10:36:33] <faiz> normall zenoss sends it out in htlm format
[07-Apr-2011 10:52:12] <Sashness> fais: sorry, i've never seen that option before :-/
[07-Apr-2011 10:54:16] <faiz> Actuallu in zenoss we have option reportmail to send mail
[07-Apr-2011 10:55:05] <faiz> or any graph report but it will sent in html format
[07-Apr-2011 10:55:34] <subbu> Hi all can any one please help me in action command
[07-Apr-2011 11:26:17] <subbu> just wondering is the zenoss Admin guide is same for Ent as well as Core ?
[07-Apr-2011 11:27:12] <kokey> pretty much, i think
[07-Apr-2011 11:27:33] <kokey> the enterprise stuff is mostly focussed in the extended monitoring guide
[07-Apr-2011 11:27:46] <codefriar> Anyone know of an Amazon AMI I can use to setup zenoss E
[07-Apr-2011 11:28:11] <kokey> so in other words, the enterprise documentation is no better, but they do have a knowledge base and the support can give a lot of answers
[07-Apr-2011 11:29:03] <Sashness> codefrair: the base centos 5 build should suffice
[07-Apr-2011 11:29:17] <codefriar> Thought there might be one already setup. Ok.
[07-Apr-2011 11:29:32] <codefriar> I'm from the Debian world, no experience with centos
[07-Apr-2011 11:29:44] <codefriar> just download the community version ?
[07-Apr-2011 11:29:53] <codefriar> we have a license
[07-Apr-2011 11:30:55] <kokey> if you have a license, then you probably have access to the enterprise RPMs download area
[07-Apr-2011 11:31:04] <codefriar> k
[07-Apr-2011 11:31:09] <kokey> then just get a centos setup, and install the RPMs on that
[07-Apr-2011 11:34:34] <codefriar> kokey: going to be monitoring some 3k devices, should I get a small or large amazon instance?
[07-Apr-2011 11:37:10] <kokey> codefriar: have a look here.... thread/14051
[07-Apr-2011 11:38:22] <rocket> subbu: there may be small differences.  the install guide IS different however as there are enterprise specific bits in that
[07-Apr-2011 11:38:44] <kokey> codefriar: you'll probably want to start off with a hub and a collector and add more collectors as needed
[07-Apr-2011 11:38:49] <codefriar> Oh geesh, so I guess I can't monitor 2500 devices with one amazon instance ?
[07-Apr-2011 11:38:52] <Sam-I-Am> rocket: sup
[07-Apr-2011 11:38:54] <rocket> codefriar: 3k is somewhat intensive
[07-Apr-2011 11:39:09] <kokey> codefriar: maybe you can, depending on how much stuff per device and how chatty it is
[07-Apr-2011 11:39:10] <rocket> Sam-I-Am: keeping things moving ..
[07-Apr-2011 11:39:21] <codefriar> what is the binding point ? cpu or ram or disk ?
[07-Apr-2011 11:39:25] <rocket> Sam-I-Am: trying to get through my backlog to get back to you re your maps case ..
[07-Apr-2011 11:39:37] <rocket> codefriar: at one point or another all of it
[07-Apr-2011 11:39:45] <Sam-I-Am> rocket: heh, sure.
[07-Apr-2011 11:39:49] <codefriar> going to be monitoring mostly routers
[07-Apr-2011 11:40:03] <rocket> probably disk then if you are snmp only
[07-Apr-2011 11:40:12] <Sam-I-Am> lots of i/o for graphing stuff
[07-Apr-2011 11:40:12] <codefriar> ok
[07-Apr-2011 11:40:17] <kokey> codefriar: ah ok routers are a bit lighter on zenoss
[07-Apr-2011 11:40:32] <Simon4> I would say IO for that kind of setup
[07-Apr-2011 11:40:46] <kokey> codefriar: I only seem to graph about 50 different things per router
[07-Apr-2011 11:40:53] <kokey> codefriar: and they tend to generate fewer events
[07-Apr-2011 11:41:08] <kokey> yeah, IO is the biggie, second to that is CPU
[07-Apr-2011 11:41:10] <Sam-I-Am> rocket: zenoss has been stable since we did zenchkrel and i ran zenfixit a few times
[07-Apr-2011 11:41:26] <rocket> Sam-I-Am:
[07-Apr-2011 11:41:38] <rocket> Sam-I-Am: so its just the graphing issue outstanding then?
[07-Apr-2011 11:41:46] <Sam-I-Am> wonder if there was a turd in the zope db
[07-Apr-2011 11:42:09] <Sam-I-Am> rocket: the one where graphing just stopped when zenoss went awry last friday?
[07-Apr-2011 11:42:26] <rocket> Sam-I-Am: no the one about google maps graphing
[07-Apr-2011 11:42:30] <Sam-I-Am> oh, yeah
[07-Apr-2011 11:42:32] <Sam-I-Am> thats still broken
[07-Apr-2011 11:42:44] <Sam-I-Am> but much less of an issue than zenoss dying, of course
[07-Apr-2011 11:43:44] <rocket> so I understand zenoss is no longer dying
[07-Apr-2011 11:43:52] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: you managed to fix your DB issue?
[07-Apr-2011 11:44:00] <Sam-I-Am> kokey: i... dont really know what it was
[07-Apr-2011 11:44:13] <kokey> i mean mysql
[07-Apr-2011 11:44:37] <Sam-I-Am> its been happy for about 3-4 days now... keeping an eye on it of course
[07-Apr-2011 11:45:01] <Sam-I-Am> kokey: well, it was having issues about every 30 hours... and did some non-mysql related stuff which seemed to make it happy again
[07-Apr-2011 11:45:22] <Sam-I-Am> i still need to get some advice on proper tuning of mysql for this system
[07-Apr-2011 11:45:30] <Sam-I-Am> might tag that on to the breakage case
[07-Apr-2011 12:25:25] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: I had two things break mysql for me
[07-Apr-2011 12:25:35] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: one is after a partition filled, mysql performance never recovered
[07-Apr-2011 12:26:07] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: the other is when it got so full that zenoss couldn't purge old stuff any more properly
[07-Apr-2011 12:26:51] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: in the partition filled case, mysqldump, deleting the data/innodb files, recreating and importing helped
[07-Apr-2011 12:27:05] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: in the other case a manual purge of history items helped
[07-Apr-2011 12:29:55] <Sam-I-Am> i'm kinda wondering if the mysqldumps my sysmin started doing have something to do with this
[07-Apr-2011 12:30:11] <Sam-I-Am> apparently they used to be quick and therefore the locks didn't piss zenoss off
[07-Apr-2011 12:30:20] <Sam-I-Am> but after "optimizing" performance, they started taking 15 minutes
[07-Apr-2011 12:30:28] <Sam-I-Am> not sure zenoss approves of a locked db for 15 minutes
[07-Apr-2011 12:30:54] <Sam-I-Am> few days of that and i suspect things got bunched up
[07-Apr-2011 12:31:07] <codefriar> Sam-I-Am: few db backed apps like 15 minute locks
[07-Apr-2011 12:31:11] <Sam-I-Am> i think i had a few different problems which may or may not be related to various different things :/
[07-Apr-2011 12:31:39] <Sam-I-Am> i recently figured out about the same time zenoss started behaving again, the sysadmin stopped his backups
[07-Apr-2011 12:31:44] <Sam-I-Am> so... more questions
[07-Apr-2011 12:32:57] <subbu> @rmatte: I would like to set up the zenaction and Zen command so that i want the admin guide for the Enter
[07-Apr-2011 12:33:30] <subbu> i didnt found much info how to set up the zenaction in zenoss Ent?
[07-Apr-2011 12:33:45] <subbu> If u are familiar with that Can you please help me out in this
[07-Apr-2011 13:11:21] <rmatte> subbu: I have no idea what you were trying to say at the end of that sentence
[07-Apr-2011 13:11:33] <rmatte> "so that i want the admin guide for the Enter"
[07-Apr-2011 13:11:36] <rmatte> !?!?
[07-Apr-2011 13:13:50] <subbu> @rmatte: I want the admin guide for add the zencommand
[07-Apr-2011 13:13:59] <Sam-I-Am> enter = enterprise?
[07-Apr-2011 13:15:00] <subbu> yes
[07-Apr-2011 13:17:49] <subbu> Sam-I-Am:I have a mysql that will run when an alert is received. The query will show the number of queues not working.
[07-Apr-2011 13:17:59] <subbu> Can you please help mem how to set up this
[07-Apr-2011 13:23:05] <subbu> @rmatte:Can u please help me out ..It will help us a lot
[07-Apr-2011 13:30:18] <Sam-I-Am> subbu: docs/DOC-3069
[07-Apr-2011 13:30:21] <Sam-I-Am> look unde
[07-Apr-2011 13:30:23] <Sam-I-Am> er
[07-Apr-2011 13:30:27] <Sam-I-Am> look under "event commands"
[07-Apr-2011 13:31:41] <Sashness> how can i see what fields are available when using zendmd?
[07-Apr-2011 13:33:46] <subbu> @Sam-I-Am:Thanks for the guide .. Can i achive my need by using thsi
[07-Apr-2011 13:59:56] <Lumske> Hello Guys... anybody can help med with an issue... i'm trying to create a custom report which can give e.g memory util and filesystem util for all devices in an exact location.. the location filter is not the problem, but how do get the memory util?? any insigt?
[07-Apr-2011 14:00:04] <ranger03> I have tried every network monitoring on this planet. Everyone has some kind of issue or problem. NetXMS would be great, if the email notifications worked. So I am back looking at Zenoss again. All I want is some RRD graphs and some thresholds with email notifications. Is this possible in Zenoss ?
[07-Apr-2011 14:00:41] <Simon4> ranger03: that's doable
[07-Apr-2011 14:00:50] <Simon4> monitoring via snmp?
[07-Apr-2011 14:01:25] <Simon4> Lumske: there's a datapoint for memory free, are you doing this as a multi-graph report?
[07-Apr-2011 14:01:41] <ranger03> Yes, my subnet is SNMP enabled all with the same string. My Zenoss stack is installed....how can I get more than a ICMP and TCP graph ?
[07-Apr-2011 14:02:31] <ranger03> I have 30 boxes in the subnet...Do I have to model them or something?
[07-Apr-2011 14:02:35] <Lumske> Simon4: No.. i'm doing it as "plain text"... so an it administrator can get a report about the system at his location..
[07-Apr-2011 14:02:47] <rocket> ranger03: I would recommend reading the manuals.. you will save yourself a ton of time ..
[07-Apr-2011 14:03:18] <Simon4> what rocket said, the admin guide would get you started quickly, and if you still have questions then we'll be about
[07-Apr-2011 14:04:50] <Simon4> Lumske: something like getRRDValue('memAvailReal') might do it
[07-Apr-2011 14:07:10] <Lumske> Simon4: just tried the trick.. just says "unknown column"..
[07-Apr-2011 14:08:33] <ranger03> i have read it seems like 3000 pages of various network monitors...
[07-Apr-2011 14:09:47] <ranger03> i did a zenoss discovery. if you could help me display graphs for SNMP..I would appreciate that..
[07-Apr-2011 14:10:59] <Simon4> ranger03: what are the devices you're trying to get graphs for, and what device class are they currently in?
[07-Apr-2011 14:12:04] <ranger03> i just want to create graphs for 1 SNMP device (I will do the rest) They are in the discovered class
[07-Apr-2011 14:12:27] <Simon4> ranger03: is the device a linux host? a windows host? a switch or router?
[07-Apr-2011 14:12:54] <Simon4> what you need to do is move the device from the discovered class to the appropriate class (say Server/Linux) then remodel it
[07-Apr-2011 14:12:59] <ranger03> all are linux snmp v2
[07-Apr-2011 14:13:14] <Simon4> under each class is a performance template which defines appropriate things to graph (cpu/memory/etc)
[07-Apr-2011 14:13:21] <Simon4> right, so move them to /Devices/Server/Linux
[07-Apr-2011 14:13:24] <Simon4> and remodel em
[07-Apr-2011 14:13:30] <Simon4> you should see a bunch more stuff appear
[07-Apr-2011 14:14:18] <ranger03> ok brb
[07-Apr-2011 14:15:39] <ranger03> moving to /devices/server/linux
[07-Apr-2011 14:15:51] <ranger03> moving 40 to /devices/server/linux
[07-Apr-2011 14:16:04] <Simon4> Lumske: just having a look
[07-Apr-2011 14:17:20] <ranger03> all right 40 are in /devces/linux/server
[07-Apr-2011 14:18:01] <Lumske> Simon4: Thank you..
[07-Apr-2011 14:18:12] <Sashness> for example
[07-Apr-2011 14:18:13] <Sashness> >>> for d in dmd.Devices.getSubDevices():
[07-Apr-2011 14:18:13] <Sashness> ...     for interface in d.os.interfaces():
[07-Apr-2011 14:18:21] <Sashness> how do i see what's returned from d.os.interfaces()
[07-Apr-2011 14:18:40] <Sashness> tab completion in zendmd doesn't seem to work from within a for loop
[07-Apr-2011 14:21:15] <Simon4> Sashness: the way I did it was I assigned an interface to a variable, then on the next like I could type something like int<tab>
[07-Apr-2011 14:21:37] <ranger03> Simon4, the 40 boxes are in /Devices/Server/Linux. How do I remodel them ?
[07-Apr-2011 14:21:38] <Simon4> because yeah, no tab complete in for loop as python doesn't know what kind of thing it's dealing with since it hasn't started executing the loop yet
[07-Apr-2011 14:22:14] <Simon4> ranger03: either box by box in the gui (there's a menu under the "gear" menu), or as the zenoss user on the server you can run zenmodeler run -P "/Devices/Server/Linux" and watch it go
[07-Apr-2011 14:22:36] <Simon4> gah, sorry
[07-Apr-2011 14:22:44] <Simon4> zenmodeler run -p "/Devices/Server/Linux"
[07-Apr-2011 14:22:47] <Simon4> small "p"
[07-Apr-2011 14:22:58] <Simon4> Lumske: looks almost like a reporting bug or limitation
[07-Apr-2011 14:23:13] <ranger03> can i do it as root, or must I be the user "zenoss" ?
[07-Apr-2011 14:23:34] <Simon4> ranger03: you must be the user zenoss
[07-Apr-2011 14:23:46] <Simon4> becoming that user sets up a bunch of shell environment
[07-Apr-2011 14:24:09] <Lumske> Simon4: yes could look like it.. i've tried a lot.. so was beginning to think it was impossible.. and maybe it is
[07-Apr-2011 14:24:21] <Simon4> Lumske: that function totally exists in dmd
[07-Apr-2011 14:24:26] <Simon4> >>> d.getRRDValue('memAvailSwap')
[07-Apr-2011 14:24:27] <Simon4> 4180076.0
[07-Apr-2011 14:24:27] <Simon4> >>>
[07-Apr-2011 14:24:40] <Simon4> but it seems the custom device report gui stops you passing parameters to methods
[07-Apr-2011 14:25:13] <Simon4> it could be worth a post on the Forums asking about it or asking a dev when they're in here chatting
[07-Apr-2011 14:25:25] <Simon4> since that seems like a fairly big limitation :/
[07-Apr-2011 14:26:09] <Lumske> Yes i think i will try posting on the forum.. thank you for your support, Simon..
[07-Apr-2011 14:26:17] <Simon4> no worries
[07-Apr-2011 14:26:35] <Simon4> it's definitely a good quesiton for the dev IRC chat, which is every couple of weeks in here
[07-Apr-2011 14:27:15] <Simon4> ranger03: I'm just heading out to find some food but I'll be back in about 25 min if you're still having issues
[07-Apr-2011 14:27:32] <ranger03> I see the zenmodel is running
[07-Apr-2011 14:27:45] <Simon4> cool
[07-Apr-2011 14:27:50] <ranger03> I see the zenmodeler is running..i wil lwait till u get back..TIA Simon
[07-Apr-2011 14:42:22] <Sam-I-Am> huh, availability report doesnt seem to support wildcards
[07-Apr-2011 14:42:28] <Sam-I-Am> or even groups
[07-Apr-2011 14:42:28] <Sam-I-Am> meh
[07-Apr-2011 14:43:31] <Sam-I-Am> also need to figure out why i'm getting duplicates in there
[07-Apr-2011 14:45:03] <Sam-I-Am> actually, this whole report is crappy
[07-Apr-2011 14:53:21] <jb__> hey sam
[07-Apr-2011 14:53:31] jb__ is now known as jb
[07-Apr-2011 14:53:53] <Sam-I-Am> yo
[07-Apr-2011 14:54:06] <jb> what SNMP config are you using on your cisco boxes?
[07-Apr-2011 14:54:16] <jb> i'm not getting any routing traps
[07-Apr-2011 14:55:05] <jb> even though I have things like:
[07-Apr-2011 14:55:05] <jb> snmp-server enable traps bgp
[07-Apr-2011 14:55:34] <Simon4> ranger03: I'm back, how did it get on?
[07-Apr-2011 14:55:50] <Sam-I-Am> jb: depends on the box.  ios depends on the hardware.
[07-Apr-2011 14:56:06] <ranger03> i left it as is...i did not touch anything in case i mess it up...
[07-Apr-2011 14:56:15] <Sam-I-Am> jb: what hardware?
[07-Apr-2011 14:56:21] <Simon4> did the modelling finish?
[07-Apr-2011 14:56:27] <ranger03> yes
[07-Apr-2011 14:56:32] <ranger03> 40 devices..
[07-Apr-2011 14:56:48] <Simon4> so if you navigate to one of those devices now, do you see more graphs under "graphs"
[07-Apr-2011 14:57:43] <ranger03> checking
[07-Apr-2011 14:58:48] <ranger03> load/cpu/memory/io  4 grraphs
[07-Apr-2011 14:59:00] <Simon4> cool
[07-Apr-2011 14:59:11] <Simon4> if you look under components you should see the network interfaces also?
[07-Apr-2011 14:59:42] <ranger03> thoughtput/packets/errors  yes
[07-Apr-2011 14:59:57] <ranger03> it sees eth0/eth1 and lo
[07-Apr-2011 15:00:00] <Simon4> excellent
[07-Apr-2011 15:01:01] <ranger03> i would imagine all the other 40 devices have these in place as well..let me check a few of them..back in 5
[07-Apr-2011 15:03:02] <jb> Sam-I-Am: 3560's
[07-Apr-2011 15:05:31] <ranger03> Simon4, yess all the info and graphs seem to be there.  Are there any other modelling or graphing I am required to do now?
[07-Apr-2011 15:08:12] <Simon4> ranger03: well that's what you get by default, if htere's other things you want to monitor via snmp on the boxes you can create new "templates" which specify the OIDs and thresholds and how you want to graph them. You can also edit the "Device" template to change the default thresholds that are set up. Have a read i the admin guide about "performance templates" and it should point you in the correct direction
[07-Apr-2011 15:08:16] <Simon4> thresholds etc are set there
[07-Apr-2011 15:08:29] <Simon4> then you can set up alerting rules for users under the configuration for each user, or for each group
[07-Apr-2011 15:08:45] <Sam-I-Am> jb: some cisco devices may let you enable traps which they dont actually support
[07-Apr-2011 15:08:46] <Simon4> when something hits a threshold, an event is generated, and emailed to any user with a matching alerting rule
[07-Apr-2011 15:08:53] <jb> hrm
[07-Apr-2011 15:09:01] <jb> traps aren't being logged in zenoss
[07-Apr-2011 15:09:05] <jb> i can see them hitting the box via tcpdump
[07-Apr-2011 15:09:11] <Sam-I-Am> oh
[07-Apr-2011 15:09:13] <Simon4> jb: is zentrap running?
[07-Apr-2011 15:09:24] <jb> yes
[07-Apr-2011 15:09:37] <Sam-I-Am> correct community?
[07-Apr-2011 15:09:43] <jb> yep
[07-Apr-2011 15:10:00] <Sam-I-Am> "zentrap debug" and watch the log
[07-Apr-2011 15:10:05] <ranger03> Thanks again Simon. As long as newbies can see some SNMP+RRDs, I think that is all newbies really want to start.  Then they can dig into all the other stuff.
[07-Apr-2011 15:10:19] <jb> oh hang on
[07-Apr-2011 15:10:24] <jb> maybe a typo in the damn community.
[07-Apr-2011 15:10:28] <Simon4> ranger03: no worries, glad you got it working
[07-Apr-2011 15:12:14] <jb> grr, i still can't get the hang of the 3.x interface.
[07-Apr-2011 15:19:59] <risc427> Anyone have a good understanding of how OS Processes are detected  by Zenoss for Linux machines?
[07-Apr-2011 15:20:19] <jb> hrm, yeah.. i see the trap in tcpdump on the zenoss box.
[07-Apr-2011 15:20:27] <jb> but nothing in zentrap.log, even with debug turned on.
[07-Apr-2011 15:21:11] <Simon4> jb: netstat -lnup as root to see what process has port 162 open?
[07-Apr-2011 15:21:26] <Simon4> wondering if something else is eating your traps
[07-Apr-2011 15:21:38] <jb> COMMAND  PID   USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
[07-Apr-2011 15:21:38] <jb> python  9768 zenoss    4u  IPv4  28052       UDP *:snmptrap
[07-Apr-2011 15:21:38] <jb> python  9768 zenoss    6u  IPv4  28052       UDP *:snmptrap
[07-Apr-2011 15:21:48] <Simon4> drat
[07-Apr-2011 15:22:15] <Simon4> nothing under /Unknown in events?
[07-Apr-2011 15:22:43] <jb> nope
[07-Apr-2011 15:23:34] <jb> hrm
[07-Apr-2011 15:26:17] <jb> 10:31:35.040768 IP 209.65.192.33.54678 > 209.65.192.143.snmptrap:  C=kywsnmp1ro Trap(173)  14.16.2 209.65.192.33 enterpriseSpecific s=10 147291786 [|snmp]
[07-Apr-2011 15:26:24] <jb> it's obviously getting the trap
[07-Apr-2011 15:28:52] <Simon4> jb: just thinking
[07-Apr-2011 15:29:05] <Simon4> I seem to remember something about zentrap only working with trap community "public"
[07-Apr-2011 15:29:33] <jb> i have other instances not using public
[07-Apr-2011 15:29:40] <jb> on another zen box
[07-Apr-2011 15:30:19] <Simon4> yeah, just googling and found that it seems to accept anything
[07-Apr-2011 15:30:31] <jb> snmp-server community kywsnmp1ro RO 50
[07-Apr-2011 15:30:40] <jb> snmp-server host 209.65.192.143 kywsnmp1ro
[07-Apr-2011 15:30:46] <jb> its correctly polling interface data
[07-Apr-2011 15:31:41] <Simon4> snmp-server host 172.31.127.155 version 2c public
[07-Apr-2011 15:31:47] <Simon4> maybe the version needs to be set?
[07-Apr-2011 15:31:51] <jb> lemme try
[07-Apr-2011 15:31:52] <Simon4> that's from one of our 3560E's
[07-Apr-2011 15:32:12] <Sam-I-Am> i have the version on mine too
[07-Apr-2011 15:32:28] <Sam-I-Am> jb: did you run zentrap in debug mode?
[07-Apr-2011 15:32:33] <jb> yeah
[07-Apr-2011 15:33:41] <jb> heh
[07-Apr-2011 15:35:15] <jb> hrm, i don't know what the problem is.
[07-Apr-2011 15:35:17] <Sam-I-Am> should see something in the zentrap log
[07-Apr-2011 15:35:25] <jb> yeah, nothing at all in there
[07-Apr-2011 15:35:33] <jb> 2011-04-07 10:31:15,392 INFO zen.ZenTrap: started
[07-Apr-2011 15:35:49] <Sam-I-Am> when you did zentrap debug it told you it was sending sigusr# to zentrap?
[07-Apr-2011 15:35:58] <jb> ya
[07-Apr-2011 15:36:52] <Sam-I-Am> anything in the log about zentrap going into debug mode?
[07-Apr-2011 15:37:12] <jb> 2011-04-07 10:43:30,387 INFO zen: Setting logging level to DEBUG
[07-Apr-2011 15:39:14] <Sam-I-Am> then for some reason its not seeing the traps
[07-Apr-2011 15:39:24] <Sam-I-Am> restart zenoss, try debug mode again.
[07-Apr-2011 15:39:29] <jb> tried that
[07-Apr-2011 15:39:32] <jb> the source IP is correct
[07-Apr-2011 15:40:38] <Sam-I-Am> did you tell the device to do version 2c?
[07-Apr-2011 15:42:03] <jb> yeah
[07-Apr-2011 15:42:03] <jb> snmp-server host 209.65.192.143 version 2c kywsnmp1ro
[07-Apr-2011 15:43:16] <jb> i do see this:
[07-Apr-2011 15:43:28] <jb> version 2c?
[07-Apr-2011 15:43:28] <jb> 03:42 <jb> yeah
[07-Apr-2011 15:43:31] <jb> oops.
[07-Apr-2011 15:43:34] <jb> 2011-04-07 10:47:24,380 DEBUG zen.ZenTrap: Queueing event {'monitor': 'localhost', 'component': 'zentrap', 'agent': 'zentrap', 'manager': 'zenoss.blah.com', 'timeout': 180, 'device': 'localhost', 'eventClass': '/Heartbeat'}
[07-Apr-2011 15:43:36] <marty> hi. getting. WARNING zen.ZenPing: xxx sendto error [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
[07-Apr-2011 15:43:51] <jb> somehow missed those.
[07-Apr-2011 15:43:53] <marty> what could be wrong? i've setuid ping, can ping from zenoss user freely that host.
[07-Apr-2011 15:45:34] <Sam-I-Am> zenoss does not use the ping command
[07-Apr-2011 15:46:05] <Sam-I-Am> for some reason, as its user, zenoss cant grab a socket for pinging.
[07-Apr-2011 15:46:30] <Sam-I-Am> make sure you've disabled any and all selinux controls
[07-Apr-2011 15:47:05] <rocket> check the perms on zensocket
[07-Apr-2011 15:47:08] <rocket> per the install guide
[07-Apr-2011 15:48:30] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, apparently 'zenoperator' users cannot see enterprise reports
[07-Apr-2011 15:48:37] * Sam-I-Am shakes fist at acls
[07-Apr-2011 15:48:46] <zirikili> hello guys
[07-Apr-2011 15:49:40] <marty> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 9720 Feb  8 10:49 /opt/zenoss/bin/zensocket
[07-Apr-2011 15:49:58] <marty> SELinux status:                 disabled
[07-Apr-2011 15:50:12] <jb> damn, this is annoying
[07-Apr-2011 15:51:11] <zirikili> I have a zenoss server installed. it checks a freebsd server without problems. but it does not check ping hosts I have included. via prompt the ping does not answer, but the zenoss server does not show any ping problem. what could be wrong?
[07-Apr-2011 15:52:14] <marty> okay, it's the firewall that was blocking it. but why? :/
[07-Apr-2011 15:52:35] <Sam-I-Am> turn off the firewall?
[07-Apr-2011 15:53:19] <Sam-I-Am> jb: its gotta be something obvious thats just getting overlooked.  i've never seen a problem like this before.
[07-Apr-2011 15:53:25] <jb> yeah I know.
[07-Apr-2011 15:53:36] <Sam-I-Am> if the box sees the trap, zentrap sees it, etc.
[07-Apr-2011 15:53:36] <jb> its like zenoss is just eating the traps.
[07-Apr-2011 15:53:48] <jb> i don't think zentrap is seeing it
[07-Apr-2011 15:54:02] <Sam-I-Am> no firewalls enabled right?
[07-Apr-2011 15:54:24] <jb> nope
[07-Apr-2011 15:54:42] <Sam-I-Am> when you shutdown zenoss, it doesnt have any turds leftover tying up the port...
[07-Apr-2011 15:55:10] <jb> ok wow.
[07-Apr-2011 15:55:13] <jb> iptables DID get turned back on.
[07-Apr-2011 15:55:25] <jb> but that makes no sense.. 162 was open, and I could see the trap via tcpdump.
[07-Apr-2011 15:57:39] <jb> sorry I put you through that
[07-Apr-2011 15:58:45] <jb> ok, i need to get interface status working
[07-Apr-2011 15:58:45] <jb> hm
[07-Apr-2011 15:59:19] <jb> and put your transforms to work
[07-Apr-2011 16:00:37] <zirikili> any help about the ping problem?
[07-Apr-2011 16:02:28] <jb> Sam-I-Am: crap, I accidentally deleted your OSPF transform.  you  have that handy again?
[07-Apr-2011 16:12:34] <zirikili> why zenoss does not generate events for a host is not pingging ?
[07-Apr-2011 16:13:58] <codefriar> Is there a way to upload say a xls file of ip's etc to add them to zenoss
[07-Apr-2011 16:14:14] <zirikili> codefriar: nice question
[07-Apr-2011 16:14:39] <Simon4> codefriar: zenbatchload is your friend
[07-Apr-2011 16:14:48] <Simon4> command-line toy as the zenoss user
[07-Apr-2011 16:16:23] <codefriar> Simon4: got a rtfm ?
[07-Apr-2011 16:16:38] <rmatte> ranger03: yeh, that's not hard in Zenoss hehe
[07-Apr-2011 16:16:49] <rmatte> oops, was scrolled way too far up
[07-Apr-2011 16:17:07] <Simon4> codefriar: docs/DOC-2503
[07-Apr-2011 16:17:40] <Simon4> the other way if it's just a list of devices is a short for i in loop with zendisc (zendisc run --help will show you how)
[07-Apr-2011 16:20:17] <jb> heh, mapping traps and transforming them is not that easy.
[07-Apr-2011 16:20:27] <codefriar> oh my goodness. thats a pain
[07-Apr-2011 16:20:52] <jb> i have some transforms for OSPF neighbor changes
[07-Apr-2011 16:21:00] <Simon4> jb: I gave up on that on cisco kit, and just got the kit to syslog it to zenoss
[07-Apr-2011 16:21:08] <Simon4> it comes out in much more human-readable format already
[07-Apr-2011 16:21:17] <jb> i applied them to a class, generated the traps, but they just come in as like "snmp trap ospfTraps.13"
[07-Apr-2011 16:21:22] <jb> HRMF
[07-Apr-2011 16:23:27] <Sam-I-Am> jb: one sec
[07-Apr-2011 16:23:38] <jb> Sam-I-Am: I saw these.. docs/DOC-5325
[07-Apr-2011 16:25:22] <Sam-I-Am> jb: http://pastebin.com/NGmYibsV
[07-Apr-2011 16:25:47] <Sam-I-Am> jb: those are what i based some of mine on
[07-Apr-2011 16:25:49] <jb> ok, so I created an event class like /Events/Cisco/Switch/OSPF
[07-Apr-2011 16:25:50] <Sam-I-Am> with some tweaks
[07-Apr-2011 16:26:00] <jb> i applied that transform to that class
[07-Apr-2011 16:26:07] <jb> sound right so far
[07-Apr-2011 16:26:07] <jb> ?
[07-Apr-2011 16:26:41] <jb> actually, just /Events/Cisco/OSPF, but anyways
[07-Apr-2011 16:26:43] <codefriar> Simon4 any other batch loading tricks ? from a simpler format
[07-Apr-2011 16:27:03] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, you could just do it in /net/ospf
[07-Apr-2011 16:27:11] <Sam-I-Am> since its not crisco-specific
[07-Apr-2011 16:27:13] <jb> yeah
[07-Apr-2011 16:27:14] <jb> good idea
[07-Apr-2011 16:27:56] <jb> ok, so now I'm going to force a neighbor change
[07-Apr-2011 16:29:16] <jb> Sam-I-Am: ok, now I see things like ospfTraps.2, ospfTraps.12, etc.
[07-Apr-2011 16:29:25] <jb> so, I should just map those to /Net/OSPF?
[07-Apr-2011 16:32:03] <jb> k, did that, brought the neighbor down and now it says "OSPF Transition"
[07-Apr-2011 16:32:38] <Sam-I-Am> i dont think you have the mib loaded
[07-Apr-2011 16:32:47] <Sam-I-Am> or at least the correct one
[07-Apr-2011 16:32:50] <jb> i loaded all of rmatte's
[07-Apr-2011 16:32:53] <jb> hm
[07-Apr-2011 16:33:23] <jb> 1131 of them
[07-Apr-2011 16:34:29] <Sam-I-Am> go into the list of mibs and make sure you see things under 'nodes' and 'notifications' for ospf-trap-mib
[07-Apr-2011 16:34:32] <Sam-I-Am> i think thats the one
[07-Apr-2011 16:34:58] <jb> hrm, yeah, when the neighbor came back up, "OSPF transition" incrememnted
[07-Apr-2011 16:35:06] <jb> but didn't clear or anything
[07-Apr-2011 16:35:07] <jb> sec
[07-Apr-2011 16:35:51] <Sam-I-Am> ospf transition usually means it couldnt decode the trap correctly
[07-Apr-2011 16:35:56] <jb> k
[07-Apr-2011 16:35:57] <Sam-I-Am> its the catchall
[07-Apr-2011 16:35:58] <jb> checking the MIB
[07-Apr-2011 16:36:15] <Sam-I-Am> and also did you restart zenoss after loading the mib
[07-Apr-2011 16:36:19] <jb> yeah
[07-Apr-2011 16:37:58] <jb> heh, this is killing zenoss (trying to browse the list of MIBs)
[07-Apr-2011 16:40:31] <rmatte> lol
[07-Apr-2011 16:41:33] <jb> ok here it is
[07-Apr-2011 16:41:40] <jb> yeah, i have CISCO-OSPF-TRAP-MIB
[07-Apr-2011 16:41:47] <jb> and it has 8 traps, and 14 OID mappings
[07-Apr-2011 16:42:32] <jb> doesn't look like the ones we need, though.
[07-Apr-2011 16:43:36] <rmatte> You might be better off doing OSPF via syslog
[07-Apr-2011 16:43:51] <jb> it seems to work for other people, so it should for me too
[07-Apr-2011 16:43:57] <jb> it seems like I'm missing the proper MIB though
[07-Apr-2011 16:44:05] <jb> the OSPF traps aren't defined in any of these for some reason
[07-Apr-2011 16:44:35] <rmatte> Is it not properly translating the SNMP OSPF traps?
[07-Apr-2011 16:44:41] <jb> nope
[07-Apr-2011 16:44:45] <rmatte> or are you just assuming that you don't have the correct Mibs?
[07-Apr-2011 16:44:48] <jb> they are coming in as like "ospfTrap.11"
[07-Apr-2011 16:45:00] <rmatte> oh, well they are being partially translated
[07-Apr-2011 16:45:03] <rmatte> not really a big deal
[07-Apr-2011 16:45:10] <jb> it breaks transforms
[07-Apr-2011 16:45:25] <rmatte> It depends on how you do the transforms
[07-Apr-2011 16:45:25] <jb> and ospfTrap.11 doesn't really mean anything..
[07-Apr-2011 16:45:43] <jb> it should be ospfNbrState, etc
[07-Apr-2011 16:45:50] <rmatte> ah
[07-Apr-2011 16:46:04] <rmatte> ...did you install the Mibs yourself or are you using my pack?
[07-Apr-2011 16:46:08] <jb> your pakc
[07-Apr-2011 16:46:14] <rmatte> hmmm
[07-Apr-2011 16:46:19] <jb> http://tools.cisco.com/Support/SNMP/do/BrowseMIB.do?local=en&step=2&mibName=CISCO-OSPF-TRAP-MIB
[07-Apr-2011 16:46:27] <Sam-I-Am> jd: cisco-ospf-trap-mib may only be the cisco proprietary traps
[07-Apr-2011 16:46:29] <rmatte> I know that some of the Mibs were impossible to install in Zenoss, there were about 3 that I couldn't get to install
[07-Apr-2011 16:46:40] <Sam-I-Am> there is a standard ospf-trap-mib
[07-Apr-2011 16:46:41] <jb> Sam-I-Am: that looks correct, no?
[07-Apr-2011 16:46:52] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am makes a good point
[07-Apr-2011 16:47:11] <jb> ah yes
[07-Apr-2011 16:47:14] <jb> it needs ospf-mib
[07-Apr-2011 16:47:14] <Sam-I-Am> jb: nope thats wrong
[07-Apr-2011 16:47:24] <Sam-I-Am> and ospf-trap-mib
[07-Apr-2011 16:47:24] <jb> ftp://ftp.cisco.com/pub/mibs/v2/OSPF-MIB.my
[07-Apr-2011 16:48:32] <jb> k, grabbing those now
[07-Apr-2011 16:50:27] <rmatte> ummm yeh...
[07-Apr-2011 16:50:40] <rmatte> I'm using my pack with nothing special and mine translate properly
[07-Apr-2011 16:50:54] <rmatte> I just did a search for OSPF related events in the last few days...
[07-Apr-2011 16:51:02] <rmatte> snmp trap ospfOriginateLsa
[07-Apr-2011 16:51:05] <rmatte> snmp trap ospfMaxAgeLsa
[07-Apr-2011 16:51:13] <rmatte> snmp trap ospfNbrStateChange
[07-Apr-2011 16:51:19] <rmatte> snmp trap ospfTxRetransmit
[07-Apr-2011 16:51:25] <jb> and you didn't load the other OSPF mibs?
[07-Apr-2011 16:51:39] <jb> we'll see what happens now..
[07-Apr-2011 16:51:43] <rmatte> jb: Not as far as I recall
[07-Apr-2011 16:52:37] <rmatte> I'll do a search through my Mibs for "OSPF" and see what I have loaded
[07-Apr-2011 16:52:49] <jb> yeah good luck with that (if you are using the GUI)
[07-Apr-2011 16:52:59] <rmatte> lol
[07-Apr-2011 16:53:19] <jb> ok now they are trnalsting properly
[07-Apr-2011 16:53:33] <rmatte> so it was ospf-trap-mib that was missing or what?
[07-Apr-2011 16:53:45] <jb> i loaded OSPF-TRAP-MIB and OSPF-MIB
[07-Apr-2011 16:54:00] <rmatte> weird, I could have swore those were already included in the pack
[07-Apr-2011 16:54:12] <rmatte> yeh,,, here's what I have included in the pack...
[07-Apr-2011 16:54:24] <rmatte> OSPF-TRAP-MIB
[07-Apr-2011 16:54:26] <rmatte> OSPF-MIB
[07-Apr-2011 16:54:30] <rmatte> CISCO-OSPF-TRAP-MIB
[07-Apr-2011 16:54:33] <rmatte> CISCO-OSPF-TRAP-CAPABILITY
[07-Apr-2011 16:54:35] <rmatte> CISCO-OSPF-MIB
[07-Apr-2011 16:54:38] <rmatte> CISCO-OSPF-CAPABILITY
[07-Apr-2011 16:54:49] <rmatte> that's all provided by my ZenPack
[07-Apr-2011 16:54:51] <jb> well they didn't load for me for some reason
[07-Apr-2011 16:54:58] <rmatte> strange
[07-Apr-2011 16:56:38] <rmatte> I'll have to test it out later
[07-Apr-2011 16:56:45] <rmatte> maybe it has something to do with v1.1 of the pack
[07-Apr-2011 16:56:51] <rmatte> I'm still using 1.0 on most of my servers
[07-Apr-2011 16:58:00] <jb> yay, they are working properly
[07-Apr-2011 16:58:05] <jb> (the transforms)
[07-Apr-2011 16:58:08] <rmatte> cool
[07-Apr-2011 16:58:14] <jb> need to work on BGP and link status now
[07-Apr-2011 16:59:52] <rmatte> aha, I found a server that I know I have 1.1 of the pack on, checking it now...
[07-Apr-2011 17:01:37] <jb> hrm, are you using SNMP for link status?
[07-Apr-2011 17:01:53] <rmatte> as in operational status?
[07-Apr-2011 17:01:57] <jb> UP/DOWN
[07-Apr-2011 17:01:57] <jb> etc
[07-Apr-2011 17:02:04] <rmatte> yes, I poll via SNMP for that
[07-Apr-2011 17:02:11] <jb> oh you poll, not rely on traps?
[07-Apr-2011 17:02:18] <rmatte> I poll ifOperStatus and ifLastChange
[07-Apr-2011 17:02:20] <jb> k
[07-Apr-2011 17:02:24] <jb> but you only do that every 5 minutes/
[07-Apr-2011 17:02:25] <jb> ?
[07-Apr-2011 17:02:29] <rmatte> correct
[07-Apr-2011 17:02:39] <jb> yeah, i'd like to rely on traps for that
[07-Apr-2011 17:02:42] <rmatte> but the ifLastChange polls detect anything that occured between polls
[07-Apr-2011 17:02:43] <jb> so its more realtime..
[07-Apr-2011 17:03:03] <rmatte> and we can afford to wait 5 minutes since we're going to end up spending 10+ minutes on the phone with the carrier anyways
[07-Apr-2011 17:03:08] <rmatte> so it's not the end of the world
[07-Apr-2011 17:03:36] <rmatte> polling is slower than traps but wayyyy more reliable
[07-Apr-2011 17:04:17] <rmatte> plus I don't have to write a new transform for every different kind of devices
[07-Apr-2011 17:04:22] <rmatte> and some don't trap at all
[07-Apr-2011 17:05:12] <rmatte> I just checked my server with v1.1 of the pack installed and it has all of the OSPF mibs
[07-Apr-2011 17:05:18] <rmatte> so not sure why you ended up without them
[07-Apr-2011 17:06:33] <Sam-I-Am> i need to mod my ospf and bgp transforms to know what neighbor they're talking about
[07-Apr-2011 17:07:16] <jb> isnt that what is in the "component" field?
[07-Apr-2011 17:07:30] <jb> when I brought a neighbor down, the neighbor's IP was populated in the "Componenet" field
[07-Apr-2011 17:08:57] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, but i have to compare it to the device in dmd with that up
[07-Apr-2011 17:08:58] <Sam-I-Am> ip
[07-Apr-2011 17:09:05] <Sam-I-Am> and see whether its a critical device or not, etc
[07-Apr-2011 17:09:21] <Sam-I-Am> the information is there, i just need to do stuff with it
[07-Apr-2011 17:10:24] <Sam-I-Am> theres always something mo' bettah i can do... just a matter of finding time for it
[07-Apr-2011 17:11:25] <jb> hmm
[07-Apr-2011 17:12:05] <jb> "snmp-server enable traps snmp linkdown linkup
[07-Apr-2011 17:12:16] <jb> that should send traps on shut/noshut's, right?
[07-Apr-2011 17:12:59] <Sam-I-Am> no
[07-Apr-2011 17:13:17] <Sam-I-Am> well, not necessarily
[07-Apr-2011 17:13:27] <Sam-I-Am> it will trap if you remove the link from an enabled port
[07-Apr-2011 17:13:39] <Sam-I-Am> or plug something in to an enabled port
[07-Apr-2011 17:13:44] <jb> guess i'm  trying to generate a trap if an interface goes down
[07-Apr-2011 17:16:47] <jb> Sam-I-Am: do your boxes send traps for events like that?
[07-Apr-2011 17:17:19] <jb> well, i guess if there isn't actually a link on the port that is shut/no-shut it wouldn't work anyways.
[07-Apr-2011 17:17:21] <jb> nevermind.
[07-Apr-2011 17:17:43] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[07-Apr-2011 17:18:12] <jb> heh, snmpTraps.3
[07-Apr-2011 17:18:13] <jb> wtf.
[07-Apr-2011 17:18:21] <Sam-I-Am> my interface trap transform will check to see if the device sent 'ifadminstatus' and if its administratively down, reduce severity of the event
[07-Apr-2011 17:18:37] <jb> Sam-I-Am: have you updated that transform since you gave it to me last?
[07-Apr-2011 17:19:45] <jb> i have no idea why it came in as snmpTraps.3.. guess another MIB isn't loaded.
[07-Apr-2011 17:21:26] <jb> Sam-I-Am: did you just apply your link transform to /Net/Link, or something more specific?
[07-Apr-2011 17:24:10] <Sam-I-Am> its in /status/interface/link
[07-Apr-2011 17:24:19] <Sam-I-Am> but it could be in /net/link too... doesnt matter much
[07-Apr-2011 17:24:55] <Sam-I-Am> the special one is apparently /status/ipinterface which changes zenoss's little red/green interface status icons
[07-Apr-2011 17:25:11] <jb> ah
[07-Apr-2011 17:25:18] <jb> but thats from polling, right?
[07-Apr-2011 17:25:33] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: really? that's interesting to know
[07-Apr-2011 17:26:03] <jb> i'm guessing my snmpTraps.3 was really a linkDown.
[07-Apr-2011 17:27:22] <jb> yep, it contains ifDescr and all of that.
[07-Apr-2011 17:27:34] <jb> does the actual description of the port not come in via the trap?
[07-Apr-2011 17:27:37] <rmatte> /Status/IpInterface can work for traps too, you just need to make sure that the component of the event is the interface name
[07-Apr-2011 17:27:50] <rmatte> and make sure you have down events cleared by up events
[07-Apr-2011 17:27:54] <jb> ie, the "description <bleh>"
[07-Apr-2011 17:29:52] <jb> rmatte: looks like linkUp/Down aren't translating correctly, either :/
[07-Apr-2011 17:30:16] <rmatte> jb: I know those translate properly for me as well
[07-Apr-2011 17:30:22] <jb> yeah, others are though
[07-Apr-2011 17:30:29] <jb> i'm not sure what the deal is.
[07-Apr-2011 17:30:51] <rmatte> did you just install the Cisco Mibs pack recently?
[07-Apr-2011 17:30:55] <jb> yeah
[07-Apr-2011 17:30:57] <jb> well, a few days ago
[07-Apr-2011 17:31:03] <rmatte> did you restart Zenoss after installing it?
[07-Apr-2011 17:31:10] <jb> yeah
[07-Apr-2011 17:31:15] <rmatte> hmmm k
[07-Apr-2011 17:33:16] <Sam-I-Am> not sure i should put my interface link stuff in /status/ipinterface
[07-Apr-2011 17:34:38] <rmatte> I use /Net/Link for the traps, but I have them tuned out
[07-Apr-2011 17:35:03] <rmatte> snmp_linkDown and snmp_linkUp
[07-Apr-2011 17:35:06] <jb> ohh
[07-Apr-2011 17:35:08] <jb> you know
[07-Apr-2011 17:35:30] <jb> i may have screwed up by changing link status to ietf on one switch
[07-Apr-2011 17:35:42] <rmatte> could be
[07-Apr-2011 17:35:51] <jb> cause another switch just generated a snmp_linkDown
[07-Apr-2011 17:35:57] <rmatte> ah
[07-Apr-2011 17:36:24] <rmatte> by the way, there should be pre-existing transforms for those in /Net/Link
[07-Apr-2011 17:36:30] <jb> yeah there are
[07-Apr-2011 17:36:32] <rmatte> so remove those if you don't want them,
[07-Apr-2011 17:36:33] <jb> i need to re-map them
[07-Apr-2011 17:36:34] <rmatte>
[07-Apr-2011 17:36:36] <rmatte> yeh
[07-Apr-2011 17:37:56] <jb> hrm, the transform didn't do anything
[07-Apr-2011 17:38:01] <jb> ah
[07-Apr-2011 17:38:58] <jb> there we go!
[07-Apr-2011 17:39:07] <jb> i wish the port's real description was available via the trap.
[07-Apr-2011 17:39:42] <Simon4> jb: you can write transform to go get the description if you know the host and interface
[07-Apr-2011 17:39:59] <jb> hm yeah
[07-Apr-2011 17:40:42] * Simon4 does that since it makes alerts make far more sense
[07-Apr-2011 17:41:05] <St3v3o> does anyone monitor foundry devices with zenoss core ?
[07-Apr-2011 17:41:27] <jb> Simon4: how are you doing that?
[07-Apr-2011 17:46:40] <rmatte> jb: does the trap come in with the interface name?
[07-Apr-2011 17:47:49] <Simon4> jb: http://pastie.org/1769633
[07-Apr-2011 17:48:10] <Simon4> I match the syslog message, but you could easily translate it to a trap if you get the interface name
[07-Apr-2011 17:48:51] <rmatte> interesting, didn't know you could just do a _getOb
[07-Apr-2011 17:49:23] <Simon4> rmatte: it's useful for getting things with spaces and other magic characters in em
[07-Apr-2011 17:49:57] <Simon4> we had issues with interfacemap and interfacealiasmap, hence the mangling of the interface name
[07-Apr-2011 17:50:09] <rmatte> yeh, I've done similar before, but never thought of using it to call on a description for an interface directly
[07-Apr-2011 17:51:25] <rmatte> I've used getZopeObj
[07-Apr-2011 17:51:31] <rmatte> probably does the same
[07-Apr-2011 17:51:36] <Simon4> yeah
[07-Apr-2011 17:58:23] <Sam-I-Am> jb: you might see two different kinds of link traps
[07-Apr-2011 17:58:30] <Sam-I-Am> one standard... or the other
[07-Apr-2011 17:58:36] <Sam-I-Am> everyone has their own standards
[07-Apr-2011 18:00:40] <rmatte> which is why I hate using traps
[07-Apr-2011 18:00:41] <rmatte> lol
[07-Apr-2011 18:00:50] <rmatte> they are fine if you're just monitoring 1 or 2 types of devices
[07-Apr-2011 18:01:01] <rmatte> but when you get in to monitoring lots of different types, it's impractical
[07-Apr-2011 18:01:19] <rmatte> anyways, I'm out, later folks
[07-Apr-2011 18:02:49] <codefriar> ugh. I can't get the zenbatchload script to do anything more than throw python errors everywhere.
[07-Apr-2011 18:03:01] <codefriar> Is there a working batch loading script ?
[07-Apr-2011 18:05:15] <codefriar> it keeps failing to find rrd tool but it's right there in the zenhome/bin dir
[07-Apr-2011 18:06:23] <Sam-I-Am> didnt think zenbatchload looked for any rrd stuff
[07-Apr-2011 18:06:26] <Sam-I-Am> it just loads devices
[07-Apr-2011 18:06:37] <Sam-I-Am> you can set some parameters at the top of it
[07-Apr-2011 18:06:49] <codefriar> Sam-I-Am: that's great, but there a dozen? stacktraces trying to run it
[07-Apr-2011 18:07:07] <codefriar> zenoss is running currently, just can't load devices
[07-Apr-2011 18:07:36] <codefriar> with the batch loader
[07-Apr-2011 18:07:38] <Sam-I-Am> http://pastebin.com/jWeNFeLE
[07-Apr-2011 18:07:40] <codefriar> and we have 2700
[07-Apr-2011 18:07:43] <Sam-I-Am> thats how i do it
[07-Apr-2011 18:07:51] <Sam-I-Am> just keep putting hosts after that first one
[07-Apr-2011 18:08:04] <codefriar> ?
[07-Apr-2011 18:08:15] <codefriar> in where?
[07-Apr-2011 18:08:22] <Sam-I-Am> that goes in a text file fed to zenbatchload
[07-Apr-2011 18:08:31] <codefriar> yeah I have that
[07-Apr-2011 18:08:37] <codefriar> but zenbatchload is throwing stacktraces
[07-Apr-2011 18:08:39] <codefriar> here
[07-Apr-2011 18:08:52] <Sam-I-Am> zenbatchload -i file.txt
[07-Apr-2011 18:09:14] <codefriar> http://pastebin.com/XxVWE31k
[07-Apr-2011 18:09:32] <codefriar> still stacktraces
[07-Apr-2011 18:09:59] <Sam-I-Am> you have an install problem
[07-Apr-2011 18:10:04] <Sam-I-Am> or are not running as the zenoss user
[07-Apr-2011 18:10:20] <Sam-I-Am> ImportError: librrd.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07-Apr-2011 18:10:52] <Sam-I-Am> oh, you're doing that as root
[07-Apr-2011 18:10:55] <Sam-I-Am> thats bad.
[07-Apr-2011 18:11:20] <Sam-I-Am> all zenoss operations should be done as the zenoss user with its shell parameters
[07-Apr-2011 18:12:37] <Sam-I-Am> i'm out... gonna get some bbq and beer
[07-Apr-2011 19:45:31] <Sam-I-Am> mmm
[07-Apr-2011 19:46:10] <Simon4> bbq and beer good?
[07-Apr-2011 19:47:05] <Sam-I-Am> awesome
[07-Apr-2011 19:47:23] * Simon4 has been drinking red and packing for Paris
[07-Apr-2011 19:47:47] <Sam-I-Am> paris eh
[07-Apr-2011 19:48:20] <Simon4> I was supposed to run the marathon there this weekend, btu got injured
[07-Apr-2011 19:48:33] <Simon4> so heading over, running the 5k intro run and enjoying spring instead
[07-Apr-2011 19:48:40] <Sam-I-Am> cool
[07-Apr-2011 19:48:44] <Sam-I-Am> injury bad though
[07-Apr-2011 19:48:52] <Simon4> yeah, recovered now which is good
[07-Apr-2011 19:49:11] <Sam-I-Am> how much does it cost to get to paris from there?
[07-Apr-2011 19:49:13] <Simon4> just nowhere near marathon fit heh
[07-Apr-2011 19:49:33] <Simon4> when we booked (about 4 months ago) it was £120 return on the eurostar
[07-Apr-2011 19:49:46] <Simon4> 2.5 hours each way on train form central london
[07-Apr-2011 19:50:23] <Sam-I-Am> i keep forgetting you guys have trains
[07-Apr-2011 19:50:37] <Simon4> yeah, the UK->europe train link is awesome
[07-Apr-2011 19:50:49] <Simon4> we leave 8pm Fri, get in at 11pm in central paris
[07-Apr-2011 19:51:00] <Sam-I-Am> quick
[07-Apr-2011 19:51:07] <Simon4> then leave paris at 6am Monday and get in at 8am and can commute to work
[07-Apr-2011 19:51:21] <Simon4> check-in is 30 min before
[07-Apr-2011 19:51:24] <Simon4> so it's superfast
[07-Apr-2011 19:51:32] <Sam-I-Am> low security?
[07-Apr-2011 19:51:39] <Simon4> less than flying for sure
[07-Apr-2011 19:52:05] <Simon4> just one security checkpoint, no checked luggage
[07-Apr-2011 19:52:33] <Sam-I-Am> i'd like to use trains more often but it takes forever here
[07-Apr-2011 19:52:53] <Simon4> you're kansas?
[07-Apr-2011 19:52:57] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[07-Apr-2011 19:52:57] * Simon4 forgets
[07-Apr-2011 19:53:12] <Simon4> yah, huge amounts of land to cover
[07-Apr-2011 19:55:04] <Simon4> having flown across the US, it's stupidly huge
[07-Apr-2011 19:56:26] <Sam-I-Am> trains are practical in the more metro areas
[07-Apr-2011 19:57:01] <Simon4> in europe it wins as the distances at 200mph are shorter than the airport faff
[07-Apr-2011 19:57:13] <Simon4> so 4-5 hours on a train still beats a 2-3 hour flight
[07-Apr-2011 19:58:19] <Sam-I-Am> i find it somewhat sad i can drive to denver in about how long it takes to fly there and with less stress
[07-Apr-2011 19:59:23] <Simon4> ooh
[07-Apr-2011 19:59:28] <Simon4> from Denver = good skiing
[07-Apr-2011 20:02:16] <Sam-I-Am> yea
[07-Apr-2011 20:02:23] <Sam-I-Am> someday i'll move back there
[07-Apr-2011 20:03:46] <Sam-I-Am> http://www.commit65.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/IMG_09191.jpg
[07-Apr-2011 20:03:47] <Sam-I-Am> lol
[07-Apr-2011 20:06:04] <Sam-I-Am> good way to get rated for commercial airlines in one shot
[07-Apr-2011 20:06:39] <Simon4> hah
[07-Apr-2011 20:07:22] <Sam-I-Am> 65 days in the air is more than the 1500 hour req
[07-Apr-2011 21:14:49] <monopolymz> hello, would it be ok for me to ask I hope a non stupid question?
[07-Apr-2011 21:16:19] <monopolymz> after reading the manual, i apparently do not still get templates, and I am not sure if I can do what I am trying to do.
[07-Apr-2011 21:17:15] <monopolymz> basically, I have setup the WMI Advanced Monitor ZenPack, and have it monitoring a server.  I have tons of servers to monitor, and I was hoping that after adding a server I do not have to go into the configuration properties of EACH server and configure the wmi username and password.  Is there a way to save that in a template?
[07-Apr-2011 21:19:22] <Sam-I-Am> if you create a device class with your template, then set the wmi username/password properties for that template, devices you add in that class will inherit those properties
[07-Apr-2011 21:19:54] <Sam-I-Am> templates and properties are inherited by default by lower classes until overwritten
[07-Apr-2011 21:20:46] <monopolymz> ok , thats what I thought, but here is where I guess I get stupid (and thank you for your help)
[07-Apr-2011 21:21:07] <monopolymz> I do not see how to edit a device class in 3.0 - i see only when I add a device to it the ability to get to the configuration properties
[07-Apr-2011 21:21:14] <monopolymz> for that individual device.
[07-Apr-2011 21:23:08] <Sam-I-Am> i dont run 3 (yet) so i have a bit of trouble visualizing its UI... but
[07-Apr-2011 21:23:09] <Sam-I-Am> docs/DOC-9477#d0e3004
[07-Apr-2011 21:24:30] <Sam-I-Am> once you find the right place it'll be easy
[07-Apr-2011 21:25:47] <monopolymz> yes im looking
[07-Apr-2011 21:25:48] <monopolymz> thanks
[07-Apr-2011 21:26:22] <monopolymz> aha!
[07-Apr-2011 21:26:24] <monopolymz> there we go!
[07-Apr-2011 21:26:33] <monopolymz> you have to click the details arrow
[07-Apr-2011 21:26:37] <monopolymz> why i missed that 100 times...
[07-Apr-2011 21:26:41] <monopolymz> anyways, thank you thank you
[07-Apr-2011 21:26:44] <Sam-I-Am> sure
[07-Apr-2011 21:27:04] <Sam-I-Am> inheritance makes zenoss super awesome
[07-Apr-2011 21:27:53] <monopolymz> yes, because now I can add all my servers
[07-Apr-2011 21:27:57] <monopolymz> and only have to edit it once
[07-Apr-2011 21:28:00] <monopolymz> this makes me happy.
[07-Apr-2011 21:28:24] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[07-Apr-2011 21:30:43] <monopolymz> so may I ask another question?
[07-Apr-2011 21:30:52] <monopolymz> probably another read the darn manual that i swore i read
[07-Apr-2011 21:31:12] <monopolymz> when i try to add multiple devices, i really dont get an option to select wmi or the device class I want to use
[07-Apr-2011 21:31:17] <monopolymz> is that normal?
[07-Apr-2011 21:32:50] <Sam-I-Am> you might need to use the advanced device add
[07-Apr-2011 21:32:54] <Sam-I-Am> the simple one has limited options
[07-Apr-2011 21:33:18] <Sam-I-Am> if you have to add a lot of stuff, you might consider looking at zenbatchload which reads a file containing stuff to add
[07-Apr-2011 21:35:07] <monopolymz> i will
[07-Apr-2011 21:35:08] <monopolymz> thank you
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[08-Apr-2011 02:52:35] <creamers> Plugins can be arranged in a order. How to interper this order. last overules first or the other way around?
[08-Apr-2011 04:07:23] <creamers> question: monitoring a windows server and seeing a 'hard disks' component AND a 'file systems' component. How can I trace which modeler resolves into which component ?
[08-Apr-2011 05:16:35] <kokey> ok
[08-Apr-2011 05:16:44] <kokey> i need to figure out what to do about traps in zenoss
[08-Apr-2011 05:16:49] <kokey> we got a bunch coming in
[08-Apr-2011 05:16:54] <kokey> but many are one off events
[08-Apr-2011 05:21:43] <creamers> how do you know/see those are coming into zenoss?
[08-Apr-2011 05:28:15] <fragfutter> creamers: your windows machine is running snmpd?
[08-Apr-2011 05:30:17] <creamers> yes the snmp service en snmp trap service . (windows machine i'm using to test, zenoss is install on centos and snmpd is started)
[08-Apr-2011 05:32:21] <creamers> fragfutter: just curious, but it's not something I gonna use now. First I want to 'know' zenoss from the inside out
[08-Apr-2011 05:33:05] <creamers> Do you know how I can trace which modeler resolves into which component?
[08-Apr-2011 05:33:19] <fragfutter> creamers: use the source luke
[08-Apr-2011 05:34:10] <fragfutter> at least thats what i would do
[08-Apr-2011 05:34:47] <Simon4> creamers: plugin source lives in $ZENHOME/Products/DataCollector/plugins/
[08-Apr-2011 05:35:02] <Simon4> up near the top it should be fairly clear what kind of components it creates
[08-Apr-2011 06:18:42] <creamers> oke thx
[08-Apr-2011 07:19:26] <St3v3o> good morning
[08-Apr-2011 07:44:56] <Sam-I-Am> St3v3o: yo
[08-Apr-2011 07:45:43] <Sam-I-Am> saw your question about foundry stuff... i monitor a bunch of it, mostly XMRs.
[08-Apr-2011 07:45:52] <Sam-I-Am> however, i gotta get ready to head into work
[08-Apr-2011 07:47:42] <St3v3o> no worries
[08-Apr-2011 07:47:53] <St3v3o> I could swear there used to be a community zenpack for foundry
[08-Apr-2011 07:48:00] <St3v3o> but looks like its only enterprise now.
[08-Apr-2011 07:48:17] <fragfutter> St3v3o: there is. i monitor some foundry switches.
[08-Apr-2011 07:48:35] <St3v3o> …really
[08-Apr-2011 07:48:44] <fragfutter> let me check
[08-Apr-2011 07:49:18] <St3v3o> I can't seem to find one…might you still have the EGG ?
[08-Apr-2011 07:50:32] <St3v3o> brb…gotta grab some coffee
[08-Apr-2011 07:51:38] <fragfutter> St3v3o: *hm*. no zenpack for foundry installed. But i get all interfaces, cpu and lldp which is all i need.
[08-Apr-2011 07:53:16] <St3v3o> you get CPU /
[08-Apr-2011 07:53:18] <St3v3o> ?
[08-Apr-2011 07:53:29] <fragfutter> yes
[08-Apr-2011 07:53:53] <St3v3o> any templates bound to that device ?
[08-Apr-2011 07:54:28] <fragfutter> yes. a cpu template. oid 1.3.6.1.4.1.1991.1.1.2.1.35.0
[08-Apr-2011 07:55:11] <St3v3o> gauge I"m guessing
[08-Apr-2011 07:56:57] <St3v3o> what does your graph def look like
[08-Apr-2011 07:58:41] <cnl> Hi. Why I need to do some changes in graph template to make graphs actually work (display data)?
[08-Apr-2011 07:59:23] <St3v3o> cnl:  can you clarify your question
[08-Apr-2011 07:59:33] <cnl> I'll try
[08-Apr-2011 08:00:51] <cnl> when I create host first time, all fine. Then it gets down. And then, when it gets up again, graps do not show any data (visual or textual).
[08-Apr-2011 08:01:21] <St3v3o> have you tried remodeling the host
[08-Apr-2011 08:01:54] <St3v3o> on zenoss 3.x select the gear in the bottom left of the screen and then select Model Device...
[08-Apr-2011 08:04:42] <cnl> bla bla... "Changes in configuration applied". Yep, it works. Thank you a lot. Should I do it each time host gets up after disconnect?
[08-Apr-2011 08:04:56] <St3v3o> you shouldn't have to ...
[08-Apr-2011 08:05:09] <St3v3o> something might be up with your setup…I would review the logs
[08-Apr-2011 08:07:05] <cnl> ok, I'll analyze logs next time it happens
[08-Apr-2011 08:07:11] <cnl> thanks again
[08-Apr-2011 08:07:26] <St3v3o> cool if you need help with somethign in the logs feel free to ask
[08-Apr-2011 08:07:46] <St3v3o> there are MUCH more experienced users in here then I also
[08-Apr-2011 08:37:15] <marty> hi. anyone care to elaborate what's the difference between "systems" and "groups" groupings? Which one should be used in what case?
[08-Apr-2011 08:38:01] <Simon4> marty: you can use them for anything you like
[08-Apr-2011 08:38:12] <Simon4> they're just alternate ways to classify devices
[08-Apr-2011 08:39:15] <fragfutter> group contains all webservers. system contains the webserver, loadbalancer, database filer for one site
[08-Apr-2011 08:48:26] <jb> morning.
[08-Apr-2011 08:50:06] <Simon4> morning indeed
[08-Apr-2011 08:55:37] <marty> Groups are functional divisions that allow you to assign attributes to multiple objects with similar functions.
[08-Apr-2011 08:55:46] <marty> does this mean I can't do it with "systems" ?
[08-Apr-2011 09:01:16] <Simon4> marty: you can do it with either
[08-Apr-2011 09:01:22] <Simon4> they both behave in identical ways
[08-Apr-2011 09:01:25] <Simon4> just different names
[08-Apr-2011 09:38:50] <marty> it appears that if a group named "new" exists, systems "new" are "symlinked" to that group view
[08-Apr-2011 09:47:18] <rmatte> marty: hunh?
[08-Apr-2011 09:48:07] <rmatte> you're saying that a systems organizer gets linked to a group organizer?
[08-Apr-2011 09:50:53] <marty> yeah
[08-Apr-2011 09:51:36] <marty> i've got autodeployment that places devices in "new". when I remove a device from new group, it still stays there
[08-Apr-2011 09:54:32] <rmatte> I don't think you can actually remove a device from a group, you can re-assign it to a different group
[08-Apr-2011 09:54:51] <rmatte> you can re-assign it to / if you want
[08-Apr-2011 09:55:07] <rmatte> the only time a device can have no group at all is when it's first added, if no group is selected
[08-Apr-2011 09:57:04] <marty> the device was showing a different group while still being in "/new"
[08-Apr-2011 09:57:36] <marty> try yourself, create /new both in systems and groups and play
[08-Apr-2011 10:00:34] <rmatte> I'll have to try after this conference call I'm on
[08-Apr-2011 10:03:20] <Gat0rvean> anyone tell me why a job is still listed as "Running" 22 hours after the device has been added / modeled?
[08-Apr-2011 10:03:48] <rmatte> Gat0rvean: try restarting zenjobs
[08-Apr-2011 10:04:01] <Gat0rvean> rmatte: I did, still going strong
[08-Apr-2011 10:04:10] <rmatte> try restarting Zenoss as a whole then
[08-Apr-2011 10:13:29] <Gat0rvean> rmatte: still running after the restart
[08-Apr-2011 10:13:53] <rmatte> try a reindex in zendmd from the commandline
[08-Apr-2011 10:13:58] <rmatte> become the zenoss user, then type zendmd
[08-Apr-2011 10:14:03] <rmatte> then once you're in zendmd do...
[08-Apr-2011 10:14:06] <rmatte> reindex()
[08-Apr-2011 10:14:09] <rmatte> commit()
[08-Apr-2011 10:14:12] <rmatte> then ctrl-d to exit
[08-Apr-2011 10:14:14] <Gat0rvean> k
[08-Apr-2011 10:14:16] <rmatte> see if that does anything
[08-Apr-2011 10:17:45] <Gat0rvean> rmatte: nope, still running haha
[08-Apr-2011 10:17:59] <rmatte> are you able to just kill the job via the UI?
[08-Apr-2011 10:18:13] <rmatte> also, when you restarted zenoss... you should have done it the following way...
[08-Apr-2011 10:18:15] <rmatte> zenoss stop
[08-Apr-2011 10:18:18] <rmatte> zenoss status
[08-Apr-2011 10:18:23] <rmatte> make sure everything is actually stopped
[08-Apr-2011 10:18:26] <csabo> rmatte:  sup man
[08-Apr-2011 10:18:40] <rmatte> if not, try to kill whatever is still running
[08-Apr-2011 10:18:51] <rmatte> once everything is stopped, start it all again with: zenoss start
[08-Apr-2011 10:19:11] <rmatte> csabo: not much, just on a con call
[08-Apr-2011 10:19:24] <csabo> you should han gup
[08-Apr-2011 10:20:33] <rmatte> can't lol
[08-Apr-2011 10:22:51] <Gat0rvean> rmatte: yeah, I just bounced it again, they all stopped and restarted
[08-Apr-2011 10:26:14] <Gat0rvean> rmatte:  I guess it's fine though, I was able to just "Delete" the job from the gui, and the devices still exist in the infrastructure
[08-Apr-2011 10:26:22] <Gat0rvean> rmatte:  thanks
[08-Apr-2011 10:26:32] <rmatte> np
[08-Apr-2011 10:27:36] <csabo> ugh
[08-Apr-2011 10:27:43] <csabo> i give up on free monitoring products
[08-Apr-2011 10:27:49] <csabo> im making my own
[08-Apr-2011 10:48:59] <KC9NVQ> is there a 3.0 to 3.1 migration guide?
[08-Apr-2011 10:52:58] <subbu> Hi all ; I am facing the issue with the zenoss . I am unable to find the events In Zenoss
[08-Apr-2011 10:53:19] <subbu> i was able to see it in the morning . I didnt make any changes for that
[08-Apr-2011 10:53:27] <subbu> Can any one please help me out
[08-Apr-2011 11:00:55] <subbu> as this is in the production
[08-Apr-2011 11:08:07] <rmatte> subbu: are you sure the events didn't just get automatically moved to history?
[08-Apr-2011 11:08:27] <rmatte> there's an event history link
[08-Apr-2011 11:08:53] <rmatte> also, did you apply any sort of filter to your event view?
[08-Apr-2011 11:09:59] <subbu> sure we didnt moved to history
[08-Apr-2011 11:10:13] <subbu> sorry it didnt automatically moved to history
[08-Apr-2011 11:10:33] <subbu> no . i didnt applay any sort of filter
[08-Apr-2011 11:11:10] <subbu> we just deleted one device .. after deleting that device we are getting the error
[08-Apr-2011 11:34:32] <rmatte> weird, the graph reports won't use my logo image, must be because it has transparency or something
[08-Apr-2011 11:36:33] <rmatte> hmmm nope, made it non-transparent and a jpeg, still not working
[08-Apr-2011 11:38:15] <rmatte> hmmm
[08-Apr-2011 11:38:49] <csabo> zenoss:1 / rmatte: 0
[08-Apr-2011 11:39:21] <rmatte> hmmm I see
[08-Apr-2011 11:39:34] <rmatte> zport/dmd/Reports/Graph Reports/WAN Report/img/onwhitelogo.png
[08-Apr-2011 11:39:39] <rmatte> they are accessed that way
[08-Apr-2011 11:39:47] <rmatte> but they must be registered or defined in some script somewhere
[08-Apr-2011 11:39:57] <rmatte> since I added my files in there and I get an error when I try to go to them
[08-Apr-2011 11:44:43] <rmatte> oh well, just going to host it at a different location
[08-Apr-2011 12:26:18] rhys_ is now known as rhys
[08-Apr-2011 12:56:45] <jb> Sam-I-Am: around?
[08-Apr-2011 13:52:11] <codefriar> wow, zen batchload is taking 10-15 seconds per device.
[08-Apr-2011 13:52:14] <codefriar> at this rate...
[08-Apr-2011 13:52:48] <codefriar> 7 hours left.
[08-Apr-2011 14:02:50] <rmatte> codefriar: if you're actually having it do the discovery on every device, yup
[08-Apr-2011 14:03:02] <rmatte> do the modelling rather
[08-Apr-2011 14:03:14] <codefriar> not sure what that means
[08-Apr-2011 14:04:09] <csabo> codefriar:  how many devices?
[08-Apr-2011 14:04:38] <codefriar> 1700
[08-Apr-2011 14:04:41] <codefriar> ish
[08-Apr-2011 14:30:08] <rmatte> well that's a fun bug, if you go up to 40 graph points in a graph report you can't edit anything beyond that point
[08-Apr-2011 14:30:13] <rmatte> yet they still get added to the report
[08-Apr-2011 14:31:00] <rmatte> that really screws me over for what I was trying to do
[08-Apr-2011 14:43:51] <theacolyte> Sam-I-Am: Did you ever get that ticket looked at?
[08-Apr-2011 14:44:05] <theacolyte> Looks like we're going to go with PRTG... I wish that map had worked heh
[08-Apr-2011 14:44:41] <davetoo> prtg?
[08-Apr-2011 14:44:51] <theacolyte> yeah
[08-Apr-2011 14:44:58] <davetoo> what is that?
[08-Apr-2011 14:45:08] <theacolyte> http://www.paessler.com/prtg/
[08-Apr-2011 14:45:51] <davetoo> never heard of it before now
[08-Apr-2011 14:46:18] <froztbyte> same here
[08-Apr-2011 14:46:27] <froztbyte> does it move more in the paidfor monitoring circles?
[08-Apr-2011 14:46:27] <theacolyte> It's a pretty old product actually
[08-Apr-2011 14:46:32] <theacolyte> yeah, it's not free
[08-Apr-2011 14:46:39] <theacolyte> but it's cheap
[08-Apr-2011 14:47:03] <davetoo> well let us know how that works out for you
[08-Apr-2011 14:47:25] <davetoo> why is the map bit so important?
[08-Apr-2011 14:47:31] <davetoo> You probably explained it and I forgot
[08-Apr-2011 14:48:15] <theacolyte> It's for our retail end, they want one
[08-Apr-2011 14:49:15] <davetoo> I'd like to see somebody make a monitoring system that (also?) has an Eclipse Rich Client Platform client
[08-Apr-2011 14:50:05] <froztbyte> why?
[08-Apr-2011 14:51:00] <davetoo> because of the possibilities for customization by the end-user
[08-Apr-2011 14:51:11] <davetoo> re-arranging/re-scaling various components
[08-Apr-2011 14:51:14] <froztbyte> partially asked because I have an instinctual dislike of java and thus eclipse, and partly because I have no idea what options that gives one
[08-Apr-2011 14:55:30] <davetoo> I don't know Java (yet) but I wonder how much of an RCP client can be done in python
[08-Apr-2011 16:38:51] <rmatte> anyone in here know if viewGraphReportClean can take arguments?
[08-Apr-2011 16:39:02] <rmatte> zport/dmd/Reports/Graph Reports/WAN Report/viewGraphReportClean
[08-Apr-2011 16:39:17] <rmatte> I want to open that, but have it generate for a specific period (weeks instead of days)
[08-Apr-2011 16:39:25] <rmatte> or instead of hours rather
[08-Apr-2011 17:05:01] <LarsN> is there a guide or how-to for upgrading from 3.0.3 --> 3.1.0 ?
[08-Apr-2011 17:11:42] <theacolyte> mray: Looks like I may be going with opalis
[08-Apr-2011 17:14:43] <mray> theacolyte: we're doing Windows now, it's pretty beta but it's getting hacked on by lots of smart folks
[08-Apr-2011 17:14:53] <mray> RightScale & VMware
[08-Apr-2011 17:14:55] <theacolyte> I'm keeping an eye though for sure
[08-Apr-2011 17:15:14] <mray> and a little birdy told me there's a bit of Chef use inside of MS
[08-Apr-2011 17:15:20] <mray> but I'm sure they'll eat their dogfood
[08-Apr-2011 17:15:35] <davetoo> Do you guys do stuff on Amazon EC2?
[08-Apr-2011 17:15:57] <mray> davetoo: extremely well
[08-Apr-2011 17:16:32] <mray> theacolyte: plus it's all open source
[08-Apr-2011 17:16:43] <davetoo> Not that I need such right now, but somebody was in #aws asking questions
[08-Apr-2011 17:16:50] <theacolyte> Well, that much I don't care as much about as much as meeting requirements hehe
[08-Apr-2011 21:40:17] <mattrk> Question for the IRC crowd. Does anyone know if its possible to create a zenpack via the command line? The man/help of the "zenpack" command doesn't say anything about creating.
[08-Apr-2011 21:40:41] <mattrk> I'm getting an error when trying to create a zenpack and i have no idea why.
[08-Apr-2011 21:40:45] <mattrk> (via the gui)
[08-Apr-2011 23:05:40] <rocket> LarsN: it should be no different than a 3.0.1 -> 3.0.2 upgrade for example
[08-Apr-2011 23:05:54] <rocket> LarsN: install all dependencies of the os
[08-Apr-2011 23:05:59] <rocket> LarsN: backup zenoss
[08-Apr-2011 23:06:33] <rocket> LarsN: stop zenoss; install zenoss via rpm -Uhv zenoss...rpm
[08-Apr-2011 23:06:43] <rocket> LarsN: service zenoss start
[08-Apr-2011 23:07:20] <rocket> LarsN: rpm -Uhv --no-deps zenoss-core...rpm
[08-Apr-2011 23:15:04] <Sam-I-Am> moo.
[08-Apr-2011 23:15:26] <rocket> moo hoo?
[08-Apr-2011 23:15:42] <Sam-I-Am> rocket: so my boss put me on the spot this morning to do a presentation on zenoss
[08-Apr-2011 23:15:49] <Sam-I-Am> i had a couple of hours to prepare
[08-Apr-2011 23:16:01] <Sam-I-Am> someone else canceled and he needed to fill the spot
[08-Apr-2011 23:16:22] <Sam-I-Am> went off pretty damn well... might get more zenoss users
[08-Apr-2011 23:16:51] <Sam-I-Am> a made shameless plugs for both the community and enterprise support
[08-Apr-2011 23:17:34] <Sam-I-Am> maybe i need to be a sales guy lol
[08-Apr-2011 23:24:22] <rocket>
[08-Apr-2011 23:25:05] <rocket> zenoss can be pretty impressive
[08-Apr-2011 23:27:22] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, quite
[08-Apr-2011 23:29:46] <Sam-I-Am> you're working late... or just sitting on irc
[08-Apr-2011 23:30:19] <rocket> working on things .. trying to get caught up on a few things .. not so much zenoss at the moment
[08-Apr-2011 23:32:37] <Sam-I-Am> it was a whirlwind for me today... two presentations, flying, girlfriend
[08-Apr-2011 23:33:05] <Sam-I-Am> no bike racing this weekend so i have a little "rest" ... more or less catching up on all the other stuff i couldnt get to since i was racing the last 5 weekends
[08-Apr-2011 23:33:50] <rocket> motorized or unmotorized bike?
[08-Apr-2011 23:33:57] <Sam-I-Am> unmotorized
[08-Apr-2011 23:35:27] <theacolyte> you ever get that map thing working?
[08-Apr-2011 23:35:44] <theacolyte> as it turns out we own PRTG and PRTG's maps work so far though I  Haven't put all my locations in
[08-Apr-2011 23:36:43] <rocket> theacolyte: no we havent gotten to the bottom of it yet .. most likely an encoding issue when we save teh results from google to disk ..
[08-Apr-2011 23:37:20] <rocket> theacolyte: however I am asking questions of the engineers here in order to see if we can automate resolving this once we do resolve it
[08-Apr-2011 23:41:01] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, this netscreen device doesnt seem to trap that it has a wonky power supply
[08-Apr-2011 23:44:22] <rocket> any info at all caught by zenoss?
[08-Apr-2011 23:44:55] <rocket> Sam-I-Am: could also use tcpdump to see if there is a packet capture on the line .. etc
[08-Apr-2011 23:45:43] <Sam-I-Am> nah, these netscreen devices are craptacular
[08-Apr-2011 23:46:20] <Sam-I-Am> actually it is trapping, just in its syslog-like fashion
[08-Apr-2011 23:46:32] <rocket> you know its dealing with other vendors hardware that is often more challenging than anything else ..
[08-Apr-2011 23:46:51] <Sam-I-Am> one of those cases where the same oid has an infinite number of messages that are not documented in the mib
[08-Apr-2011 23:47:04] <Sam-I-Am> oh yeah... figured that out especially with interface traps
[08-Apr-2011 23:47:04] <rocket> fun
[08-Apr-2011 23:47:25] <Sam-I-Am> some things adhere to one standard, some another, and some nothing at all.
[08-Apr-2011 23:47:59] <Sam-I-Am> hp switches merely send an interface index, so you need to go into the dmd and somehow reference it to what the modeler picked up to get the interface name and description
[08-Apr-2011 23:48:17] <rocket> then add to that making a gui that will understand it all and you will have something ..
[08-Apr-2011 23:48:57] <Sam-I-Am> i still havent quite figured out how to pull what i need out of dmd, but getting closer.  have a ticket open on it too.
[08-Apr-2011 23:49:19] <Sam-I-Am> if i can make it so all interface traps, which include ifindex, simply grab stuff out of dmd... i'd be on a roll
[08-Apr-2011 23:49:30] <rocket> what #?
[08-Apr-2011 23:49:38] <rocket> I will glance .. it might be a gimme
[08-Apr-2011 23:50:19] <Sam-I-Am> 15427
[08-Apr-2011 23:50:40] <Sam-I-Am> should be easy... just need to figure out how to reference the ifindex to the dmd and pull the stuff out
[08-Apr-2011 23:50:56] <Sam-I-Am> i havent had much time to work on it myself lately with some bigger issues
[08-Apr-2011 23:54:37] <rocket> bleh too much thinking on that one for this time of night
[08-Apr-2011 23:54:56] <Sam-I-Am> hahah yeah
[08-Apr-2011 23:55:22] * Sam-I-Am cracks the whip
[08-Apr-2011 23:57:00] <rocket> however this is a quick chain to get the first interfaces index on a device
[08-Apr-2011 23:57:04] * Sam-I-Am needs to figure out how to send beer to zenoss support folks
[08-Apr-2011 23:57:05] <rocket> dev.os.interfaces()[0].ifindex
[08-Apr-2011 23:57:46] <rocket> obviously you need to fit that into a for loop in the transform etc and figure out the write calls to get access to dmd
[08-Apr-2011 23:58:02] <rocket> as dev in this case is found from
[08-Apr-2011 23:58:11] <rocket> dev=find('foo')
[08-Apr-2011 23:58:36] <Sam-I-Am> makes sense
[08-Apr-2011 23:59:42] <Sam-I-Am> i remember getting some stuff to work in zendmd, but had much trouble translating it into something event transforms could use
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[09-Apr-2011 00:00:49] <rocket> Sam-I-Am: did you see the last case not from chris?
[09-Apr-2011 00:01:08] <rocket> note
[09-Apr-2011 00:01:18] <rocket> never mind
[09-Apr-2011 00:01:31] <rocket> I really need to get to bed .. that was from you .. I was thinking backwards
[09-Apr-2011 00:01:59] <rocket> anyway ttyl
[09-Apr-2011 00:02:25] <Sam-I-Am> lol
[09-Apr-2011 00:02:33] <Sam-I-Am> thanks... have a good night
[09-Apr-2011 00:02:41] <Sam-I-Am> dont think too hard
[09-Apr-2011 03:20:00] <froztbyte> Sam-I-Am: maybe implement a listcomp or something to the effect of making a reverse dict
[09-Apr-2011 03:20:45] <froztbyte> foo = [x.ifIndex, x for x in dev.os.interfaces()], or somesuch
[09-Apr-2011 03:33:06] <froztbyte> then you could just look up in there by foo[evt.trapoid] or somesuch
[09-Apr-2011 08:46:55] <Sam-I-Am> hmm
[09-Apr-2011 09:41:57] <Sam-I-Am> nothing like early weekend zenoss
[09-Apr-2011 09:42:04] <Sam-I-Am> like a good cup of coffee, actually
[09-Apr-2011 09:53:20] * froztbyte is not braining today
[09-Apr-2011 09:57:17] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[09-Apr-2011 09:57:22] <Sam-I-Am> i wasnt planning on it
[09-Apr-2011 09:57:28] <Sam-I-Am> but i saw an event which i needed to classify
[09-Apr-2011 09:57:39] <froztbyte> haha
[09-Apr-2011 09:57:45] <Sam-I-Am> and taking a look through the logs given the weird stability problems
[09-Apr-2011 09:57:58] <froztbyte> I'm not even going near my browser this weekend, nevermind my work browser instance
[09-Apr-2011 09:58:19] <froztbyte> got my terminal fullscreened, and idle chatter is the order of the weekend
[09-Apr-2011 09:58:39] <froztbyte> (when I'm at my keyboard. the rest of the time I'm reading on my kindle)
[09-Apr-2011 09:59:47] <Sam-I-Am> http://pastebin.com/j1XHBes3
[09-Apr-2011 10:00:11] <Sam-I-Am> dont like when i see things in event.log like that... especially when its the last thing i see, and its from a few days ago.
[09-Apr-2011 10:24:50] <jb> Sam-I-Am: having some problems with the BGP transform.. it keeps erroring out.
[09-Apr-2011 10:39:03] <Sam-I-Am> errors in zenhub.log?
[09-Apr-2011 10:40:08] <Sam-I-Am> oh crap, i'm late for something
[09-Apr-2011 10:40:17] <Sam-I-Am> i'll be back on later
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[10-Apr-2011 05:07:14] <creamers> question:  we have multiple servers in our datacenter, but also servers at customer locations with their own internet feed.  What possiblilities are there to monitor external servers with zenoss?
[10-Apr-2011 05:08:11] <creamers> (external client agents installed on external servers that communicate with the central zenoss?)
[10-Apr-2011 07:02:31] <froztbyte> are your customer servers on static IPs?
[10-Apr-2011 07:02:58] <froztbyte> otherwise you just need to set up a VPN and then monitor the devices as normal
[10-Apr-2011 07:03:23] <froztbyte> if a customer has more than one server at a location, set up a collector closer to there and link this to the hub
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[11-Apr-2011 02:14:27] <amorphic> Hello all... anyone about who knows about using cProperties from zendmd?
[11-Apr-2011 02:48:06] <creamers> froztbyte: yes, they have static ip's. Is a 'collector' another instance of zenoss or something separat ?
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[11-Apr-2011 03:23:37] <froztbyte> creamers: check the documentation
[11-Apr-2011 04:45:27] <kokey> back at work
[11-Apr-2011 04:45:28] <kokey> not yay
[11-Apr-2011 05:44:47] <froztbyte> haha
[11-Apr-2011 05:45:05] <froztbyte> so, Systems and Groups and Locations
[11-Apr-2011 05:45:10] <froztbyte> are these merely organizers?
[11-Apr-2011 05:45:15] <froztbyte> or do they do more?
[11-Apr-2011 05:58:22] <Simon4> froztbyte: I've understood them to be purely organizers
[11-Apr-2011 07:38:47] <kokey> what's everyone's approach to a dashboard?
[11-Apr-2011 09:34:14] <_TORNADO_> Good morning everyone!
[11-Apr-2011 09:35:47] <_TORNADO_> I'm here to ask if it is possible to make the EsxTop Zenpack to eat less CPU?
[11-Apr-2011 09:36:04] <_TORNADO_> I have Zenoss Core 3.1.0 upgraded from 2.5.1 on CentOS 5.5 64 bit.
[11-Apr-2011 09:37:02] <creamers> don't know if it's worth trying, but found this package:   docs/DOC-10225
[11-Apr-2011 09:37:41] <_TORNADO_> and a single host, added to the /Server/Virtual Machine Host/EsxTop class raised LA on my monitoring server from 0.5 to 1.5... 4 hosts almost have killed it
[11-Apr-2011 09:37:58] <rocket> _TORNADO_ esxtop is not meant to be run for long periods of time
[11-Apr-2011 09:38:17] <rocket> _TORNADO_: that is what we were told from vmware
[11-Apr-2011 09:40:27] <creamers> rocket: which way are you monitoring your esx servers ?
[11-Apr-2011 09:40:30] <_TORNADO_> creamers, unfortunatelly i wasn't able to make it work in a couple of clicks as it was with EsxTop
[11-Apr-2011 09:41:04] <_TORNADO_> rocket:hmm... didn't know that..
[11-Apr-2011 09:41:25] <rocket> creamers: there are zenpacks that enterprise customers have that monitor them
[11-Apr-2011 09:41:46] <rocket> esxtop is meant more for diagnostics than long term monitoring
[11-Apr-2011 09:44:59] <_TORNADO_> it wasn't mentioned in the documentation... :-/ ok.. will try to configure the esximonitor instead
[11-Apr-2011 09:47:35] <_TORNADO_> well. first question is... ifI have my ESX hosts connected to the vCenter by IPs (not by FQDNs), how to make it work if in the documentation for vmwareesximonitor it's written "Your device is now added and its name should be its fqdn"
[11-Apr-2011 09:47:43] <Sam-I-Am> morning folks
[11-Apr-2011 10:06:08] <rmatte> _TORNADO_: use this pack: docs/DOC-10225
[11-Apr-2011 10:06:39] <rmatte> actually, there are some errors in that pack that I just remembered
[11-Apr-2011 10:06:51] <rmatte> I'd wait for the next version if you're not capable of digging through the code and fixing the problems
[11-Apr-2011 10:07:02] <kokey> commit() reindex() commit()
[11-Apr-2011 10:07:05] <kokey> hehe
[11-Apr-2011 10:07:06] <rmatte> the VMWare SNMP ZenPacks won't work
[11-Apr-2011 10:07:20] <rmatte> VMWare crippled their SNMP support
[11-Apr-2011 10:07:45] <_TORNADO_> unfortunatelly, I'm not a coding guy... no experience with python at all...
[11-Apr-2011 10:07:59] <rmatte> well, the problem is actually with the perl script that the ZenPack uses
[11-Apr-2011 10:08:13] <rmatte> I've fixed it for myself, but I don't have time to re-package the ZenPack right now
[11-Apr-2011 10:09:15] <rmatte> The problem is actually in the VMWare Datasource pack
[11-Apr-2011 10:09:26] <rmatte> that's a dependency of that pack
[11-Apr-2011 10:11:29] <creamers> rmatte: ìf vmware crippled their snmp support, how does this zenpack monitor the esxi?
[11-Apr-2011 10:13:41] <rmatte> creamers: Eric Enn's ZenPack monitor it via the perl vSphere API
[11-Apr-2011 10:13:49] <rmatte> monitors*
[11-Apr-2011 10:13:56] <rmatte> which is more efficient CPU-wise than esxtop
[11-Apr-2011 10:15:19] <kokey> reindex() takes a long time
[11-Apr-2011 10:15:21] <kokey> i guess that's normal
[11-Apr-2011 10:16:41] <creamers> rmatte: k! you already fixed this zenpack, maybe you an post it at Eric's documentation page?
[11-Apr-2011 10:19:30] <rmatte> creamers: as I said, I don't have the time to actually generate a new pack from the changes that I made, I have too much on the go
[11-Apr-2011 10:19:55] <rmatte> I'll tell you what to change... it's easy enough...
[11-Apr-2011 10:20:08] <creamers> k
[11-Apr-2011 10:20:18] <rmatte> there's a section of code in the perl file that actually does the querying of the data (it's part of the VMWare Datasource pack)
[11-Apr-2011 10:20:20] <creamers> taht would be nice!
[11-Apr-2011 10:20:23] <rmatte> you need to go in that file...
[11-Apr-2011 10:20:41] <rmatte> there's a section of code in there that checks if the machine is powerOff status or not
[11-Apr-2011 10:20:59] <rmatte> it ouputs something like: powerOff|val= val= val= val=
[11-Apr-2011 10:21:07] <rmatte> you need to change that to just powerOff|
[11-Apr-2011 10:21:13] <rmatte> that'll fix the problem
[11-Apr-2011 10:21:24] <creamers> thx! I'll go and try
[11-Apr-2011 10:21:27] <rmatte> k
[11-Apr-2011 10:23:20] <rmatte> The name of the script to edit is esxi_performance.pl
[11-Apr-2011 10:23:55] <rmatte> The line of code to edit will be under the following line:
[11-Apr-2011 10:23:56] <rmatte> if ($$vm_view[0]->get_property('runtime.powerState')->val eq "poweredOff")
[11-Apr-2011 10:24:12] <rmatte> The line below that line should look like this when you're finished:
[11-Apr-2011 10:24:13] <rmatte> print "poweredOff|\n";
[11-Apr-2011 10:29:53] <creamers> rmatte: strange, can find that 'if statement' , but not that specific typo
[11-Apr-2011 10:30:11] <creamers> maybe already fixed in this latest version?
[11-Apr-2011 10:33:52] <rmatte> nope
[11-Apr-2011 10:33:57] <rmatte> that latest version is the one I'm using
[11-Apr-2011 10:33:59] <rmatte> so I doubt it
[11-Apr-2011 10:34:03] <rmatte> make sure you're in the right file
[11-Apr-2011 10:34:22] <rmatte> fpaste.org the section of code
[11-Apr-2011 10:34:23] <_TORNADO_> there is a line if ($$vm_view[0]->get_property('runtime.powerState')->val eq "poweredOff")
[11-Apr-2011 10:34:35] <_TORNADO_> and it outputs: print "guestperf|memUsage= memOverhead= memConsumed= diskUsage= cpuUsageMin= cpuUsageMax= cpuUsageAvg= cpuUsage=\n";
[11-Apr-2011 10:35:19] <_TORNADO_> so, did you mean to change it to: print "guestperf|\n";
[11-Apr-2011 10:35:43] <rmatte> no
[11-Apr-2011 10:35:48] <rmatte> oh actually...
[11-Apr-2011 10:35:54] <creamers> that's the one I also found
[11-Apr-2011 10:35:58] <rmatte> yes, that's correct
[11-Apr-2011 10:36:03] <_TORNADO_>
[11-Apr-2011 10:36:12] <rmatte> change that to print "guestperf|\n";
[11-Apr-2011 10:36:15] <rmatte> and you'll be good
[11-Apr-2011 10:36:32] <rmatte> I changed it to print "poweredOff|\n";
[11-Apr-2011 10:36:35] <rmatte> but it doesn't matter
[11-Apr-2011 10:36:44] <rmatte> as long as all those datasources aren't listed after the pipe
[11-Apr-2011 11:01:58] <creamers> there is a 'CPU Utilization over 90' Threshold by default using the WMIDevice template. What I really would like is a alert when 5minutes long cpu > 90 and not onces
[11-Apr-2011 11:02:31] <fragfutter> creamers: set default level to information an add escalation count
[11-Apr-2011 11:02:54] <creamers> ah! is that the way to do it....
[11-Apr-2011 11:03:08] <fragfutter> at least it's the way i do it
[11-Apr-2011 11:03:21] <creamers>
[11-Apr-2011 11:12:06] <kokey> zenoss lesson of the day
[11-Apr-2011 11:12:11] <kokey> don't mess with production states
[11-Apr-2011 11:12:21] <kokey> or state conversions
[11-Apr-2011 11:22:15] <Sam-I-Am> kokey: eh?
[11-Apr-2011 11:22:27] <_TORNADO_> short (probably) question: core 3.1.0. Linux device -> Components -> OS Processes. Select a process, and click on a "cogwheel" button. "Locking.." is clickable, "Monitoring.." is not. It's shaded. Is the possibility to switch the Process monitoring on/off migrated in some other place in 3.1.0?
[11-Apr-2011 11:30:56] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: removing some of them makes things go bad
[11-Apr-2011 11:31:01] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: and reindex stops working
[11-Apr-2011 11:31:13] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: and some devices end up being alerted for to the wrong groups, etc.
[11-Apr-2011 11:33:47] <Sam-I-Am> might be a problem removing ones that are in use
[11-Apr-2011 11:37:32] <rocket> there definately is a problem to that effect.  A defect has been logged to not allow that.
[11-Apr-2011 11:41:27] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: yeah adding names back for the same numbers seems to have sorted things out
[11-Apr-2011 11:41:57] <kokey> I figure it's probably just not a great idea to make that state conversions field free form like that
[11-Apr-2011 11:42:09] <rocket> it isnt
[11-Apr-2011 11:42:18] <rocket> its on the list to be redone
[11-Apr-2011 11:42:30] <rocket> at some point
[11-Apr-2011 11:44:32] <rmatte> _TORNADO_: you need to have it enabled for monitoring in the actual processes section
[11-Apr-2011 11:44:48] <rmatte> _TORNADO_: If it's disabled in there, then you won't be able to monitor it.
[11-Apr-2011 11:45:13] <_TORNADO_> actually, I have another issue I need to disable it for the particular hosts
[11-Apr-2011 11:45:35] <_TORNADO_> ... while it's enabled for all
[11-Apr-2011 11:45:46] <rmatte> _TORNADO_ Well, you should be able to do that, if you can't then it's a bug
[11-Apr-2011 11:45:49] <rmatte> the new UI is full of bugs
[11-Apr-2011 11:46:19] <rmatte> I still use Zenoss 2.5.2, so I don't have much exposure to the bugs from day to day, I just have a 3.1.0 lab setup that I use from time to time
[11-Apr-2011 11:46:37] <Sam-I-Am> i still need to get 3.1 working somewhere :/
[11-Apr-2011 11:46:50] <Sam-I-Am> got some folks interested in zenoss after my presentation
[11-Apr-2011 11:46:51] <_TORNADO_> it's just so annoying to report the bugs... can I just report it here?
[11-Apr-2011 11:46:56] <Sam-I-Am> and they'll probably want to run 3.1
[11-Apr-2011 11:46:58] <rmatte> no
[11-Apr-2011 11:47:02] <rmatte> you need to report them in trac
[11-Apr-2011 11:47:05] <rocket> _TORNADO_: enable it in the process monitoring section and then you should be able to go to the particular host and disable it there
[11-Apr-2011 11:47:06] <rmatte> dev.zenoss.com/trac
[11-Apr-2011 11:47:32] <rmatte> rocket: that may be the case, but from what he was saying it sounded like he did have it enabled already
[11-Apr-2011 11:47:54] <rmatte> _TORNADO_: You have to work backwards, it has to be enabled globally and then disabled on whichever hosts you don't want it on
[11-Apr-2011 11:47:58] <rocket> it would be strange that we havent seen that particular one already if thats the case ..
[11-Apr-2011 11:48:05] <rmatte> _TORNADO_: you can't simply enable it on certain hosts and disable it globally
[11-Apr-2011 11:48:44] <rocket> its too bad it cant work that way too .. :/
[11-Apr-2011 11:48:44] <rmatte> rocket: Not really, there are still small bugs laying around all over the place, although 3.1.0 did do a good job of hammering out the more serious ones
[11-Apr-2011 11:48:54] <rmatte> true
[11-Apr-2011 11:49:01] <rmatte> but it's never worked that way to my knowledge
[11-Apr-2011 11:49:08] <rocket> no it hasnt
[11-Apr-2011 11:49:18] <rocket> its a limitation of the current design I believe
[11-Apr-2011 11:49:23] * rmatte nods
[11-Apr-2011 11:49:26] <rocket> the way it has to be picked up via modelling etc
[11-Apr-2011 11:49:32] <rmatte> yeh
[11-Apr-2011 11:49:45] <rmatte> It's basically the same way that it handles interfaces
[11-Apr-2011 11:49:53] <rmatte> they just recycled the code or whatever
[11-Apr-2011 11:49:58] <rmatte> so you end up with the same behaviour
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[11-Apr-2011 11:50:10] <rocket> yeah .. we dont get complaints from customers therefor resources will be scarce to change it etc
[11-Apr-2011 11:50:13] <_TORNADO_> rmatte: thisi is what I'm trying to say: the process IS enabled globaly... and I just want to _disable_ it for _some_ hosts.. and I can't do that.
[11-Apr-2011 11:50:25] <rmatte> rocket: yeh, I'd imagine most customers are used to doing it that way by now
[11-Apr-2011 11:50:48] <rmatte> _TORNADO_: Is the process possibly already locked?
[11-Apr-2011 11:50:58] <rmatte> _TORNADO_: or is the device locked?
[11-Apr-2011 11:51:35] <_TORNADO_> no. I've added and modeled a fresh device
[11-Apr-2011 11:51:51] <rmatte> hmmm
[11-Apr-2011 11:52:56] <_TORNADO_> I need to go.. I'll show you the printscrin tomorrow, so you can see how it looks..
[11-Apr-2011 11:54:01] <rmatte> k
[11-Apr-2011 11:55:27] <JohnnyNoc> hey gents
[11-Apr-2011 11:55:58] <JohnnyNoc> i've got some network interfaces being monitored that set off alert thresholds with ridiculous values in the morning when traffic starts to ramp up..
[11-Apr-2011 11:56:04] <_TORNADO_> ok... actually I have 5 more minutes.. here - http://i52.tinypic.com/foknpw.png
[11-Apr-2011 11:56:12] <JohnnyNoc> anyone see stuff like this?
[11-Apr-2011 11:56:50] <JohnnyNoc> wondering if there's anything i can do to prevent that as the alert concerns some people
[11-Apr-2011 11:57:19] <froztbyte> I've got a switch that seems to buffer up the values that zenoss reads from it
[11-Apr-2011 11:57:27] <Sam-I-Am> JohnnyNoc: counters rolling?
[11-Apr-2011 11:57:40] <froztbyte> so every 10 polls or so the interfaces are at 341123242354365643542% of interface speed
[11-Apr-2011 11:57:50] <froztbyte> and then the next 9 they're sane
[11-Apr-2011 11:58:01] <Sam-I-Am> crisco?
[11-Apr-2011 11:58:16] <JohnnyNoc> Sam-I-Am hrmm..  i dont know.  is there a way i can inspect that?  i'm talking about a server, not sure about froztbyte
[11-Apr-2011 11:58:55] <froztbyte> Sam-I-Am: D-Link, I think
[11-Apr-2011 11:58:58] <froztbyte> can't remember
[11-Apr-2011 11:59:01] <froztbyte> it's up in uganda
[11-Apr-2011 11:59:20] <jb> hrm, where is cgibbons?
[11-Apr-2011 11:59:26] <froztbyte> JohnnyNoc: look at the data in zenperfsnmp.log
[11-Apr-2011 11:59:35] <froztbyte> might need to up your log level and restart zenperfsnmp too
[11-Apr-2011 12:00:23] <Sam-I-Am> JohnnyNoc: is it using 32 bit counters?
[11-Apr-2011 12:01:09] <jb> Sam-I-Am: hey, I'm havin some trouble with the BGP transform  :/
[11-Apr-2011 12:01:31] <JohnnyNoc> Sam-I-Am doesn't look like it, I see ethernetCsmacd_64
[11-Apr-2011 12:01:34] <Sam-I-Am> jb: like what?
[11-Apr-2011 12:01:36] <jb> Problem with line 8: peerstate = evt.bgpPeerState.. and a few others too
[11-Apr-2011 12:02:08] <Sam-I-Am> JohnnyNoc: whats your settings for that data source? (derive, etc)
[11-Apr-2011 12:02:50] <Sam-I-Am> jb: python is a whitespace whore... sure all the lines are indented properly with a consistent number of space?
[11-Apr-2011 12:03:02] <JohnnyNoc> ifHCInOctets is Counter
[11-Apr-2011 12:03:10] <jb> chekcing
[11-Apr-2011 12:03:16] <JohnnyNoc> as is ifHCOutOctets
[11-Apr-2011 12:03:32] <jb> peerstate = evt.bgpPeerState
[11-Apr-2011 12:03:39] <jb> hrm, no indention
[11-Apr-2011 12:04:22] <Sam-I-Am> JohnnyNoc: try derive with a minimum of 0
[11-Apr-2011 12:04:43] <Sam-I-Am> JohnnyNoc: you'll need to recreate the affected rrd files
[11-Apr-2011 12:04:50] <JohnnyNoc> Sam-I-Am the problem only seems to occur as the traffic ramps up in the morning
[11-Apr-2011 12:04:59] <JohnnyNoc> currently it's at a sane value and not alerting abotu the threshold
[11-Apr-2011 12:05:10] <JohnnyNoc> so changing it right now i dont tihnk is going to help is what i'm trying to say :/
[11-Apr-2011 12:05:41] <Sam-I-Am> derive/0 helps eliminate spikes
[11-Apr-2011 12:05:47] <Sam-I-Am> spikes can trigger threshold alerts
[11-Apr-2011 12:05:53] <JohnnyNoc> ah ok
[11-Apr-2011 12:06:11] <JohnnyNoc> so i could do that but might have to wait til tomorrow morning to determine whether it's been helpful
[11-Apr-2011 12:06:12] <JohnnyNoc> hrm
[11-Apr-2011 12:06:48] <davetoo> derive divide-by-zero?
[11-Apr-2011 12:07:14] <davetoo> oh
[11-Apr-2011 12:07:15] <davetoo> heh
[11-Apr-2011 12:09:49] <rmatte> JohnnyNoc: to start off, you should have min and max values set in your interface templates
[11-Apr-2011 12:10:03] <rmatte> min should be 0, max should be 1000000000 (for gig)
[11-Apr-2011 12:10:18] <rmatte> then at least the max you'll see will be 100%
[11-Apr-2011 12:10:42] <rmatte> you'll also want to update the min and max values in your existing RRDs...
[11-Apr-2011 12:11:55] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/ccYH/raw/
[11-Apr-2011 12:12:07] <rmatte> there's an example of a bash script that I wrote to change the minimum to 0
[11-Apr-2011 12:12:19] <rmatte> you can replace the RRD filename with whatever you're wanting to change
[11-Apr-2011 12:12:40] <JohnnyNoc> rmatte thanks for the tips
[11-Apr-2011 12:12:45] <rmatte> just: "cd $ZENHOME/perf" then run the script
[11-Apr-2011 12:12:57] <rmatte> you can change min to max in the script for the max value
[11-Apr-2011 12:12:57] <JohnnyNoc> seems like we're just using the default values from the device template
[11-Apr-2011 12:13:08] <rmatte> the value itself is what is after ds0:
[11-Apr-2011 12:13:23] <rmatte> I think the default values for the 64bit template may be wrong
[11-Apr-2011 12:13:30] <rmatte> that was the only template for me that didn't have a min of 0
[11-Apr-2011 12:13:47] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: how do you back your mysql db up?
[11-Apr-2011 12:13:53] <rmatte> I ended up having to go through all of my Zenoss servers reassigning the template to min 0, then run scripts to update all existing RRDs
[11-Apr-2011 12:14:03] <rmatte> and then I even have a script that removes any negative values from the RRDs
[11-Apr-2011 12:14:18] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: I don't, we backup entire VMs
[11-Apr-2011 12:14:40] <JohnnyNoc> Sam-I-Am if you don't want to back it up as part of the zenbackup process you could use mysqldump, no?
[11-Apr-2011 12:14:54] <rmatte> yeh, mysqldump would work fine
[11-Apr-2011 12:15:10] <rmatte> that's how I usually go about backing up MySQL DBs
[11-Apr-2011 12:15:12] <JohnnyNoc> Sam-I-Am just be aware while you dump the db will be locked, and alerts will pile up, and heartbeat alerts will be sent
[11-Apr-2011 12:15:12] <JohnnyNoc>
[11-Apr-2011 12:15:13] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: yeah, my admin was doing that but it started tying up the db for too long
[11-Apr-2011 12:15:15] <Sam-I-Am> pissed off zenoss
[11-Apr-2011 12:15:28] <rmatte> lol
[11-Apr-2011 12:15:30] <Sam-I-Am> i think the dump was part of the thing causing zenoss to puke
[11-Apr-2011 12:15:41] <rmatte> really any backup solution is going to tie it up
[11-Apr-2011 12:15:47] <rmatte> you don't have a choice really
[11-Apr-2011 12:15:50] <Sam-I-Am> need to get some 'official' tuning values from support for my particular hardware
[11-Apr-2011 12:16:04] <Sam-I-Am> do you have to stop zenoss for a vmware backup?
[11-Apr-2011 12:16:10] <rmatte> nope
[11-Apr-2011 12:16:13] <davetoo> unless you set up replication to a slave server just for backup purposes....
[11-Apr-2011 12:16:25] <rmatte> it just freezes up the server for a split second (which isn't even noticeable)
[11-Apr-2011 12:16:49] <Sam-I-Am> davetoo: hmm, that might work.
[11-Apr-2011 12:16:50] <davetoo> rmatte: can you do that without also taking a memory snapshot?
[11-Apr-2011 12:16:54] <rmatte> We use Veeam for our backups
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[11-Apr-2011 12:17:12] <Sam-I-Am> in addition to mysqldump, the admin also does amanda
[11-Apr-2011 12:17:16] <Sam-I-Am> treats the box like any other system
[11-Apr-2011 12:17:23] <davetoo> rmatte: well, that was assuming VMWare
[11-Apr-2011 12:17:26] <rmatte> It takes a full snapshot (no memory), then stores it
[11-Apr-2011 12:17:37] <rmatte> and yes, that is assuming vmware
[11-Apr-2011 12:17:41] <davetoo> 'k
[11-Apr-2011 12:17:42] <rmatte> I'm just saying how I personally do it
[11-Apr-2011 12:17:42] <rmatte> lol
[11-Apr-2011 12:18:05] <Sam-I-Am> i wonder how long zenoss can hold off before it blows up while mysql backs up
[11-Apr-2011 12:18:48] <davetoo> how long does the backup take?
[11-Apr-2011 12:18:48] <Sam-I-Am> and why tuning mysql performance made zenoss work much better, but backups take forever.
[11-Apr-2011 12:18:59] <Sam-I-Am> well, it was taking a couple of mins... now its taking about 15
[11-Apr-2011 12:19:05] <davetoo> wow
[11-Apr-2011 12:19:09] <davetoo> what did you tweak?
[11-Apr-2011 12:19:09] <Sam-I-Am> yeah!
[11-Apr-2011 12:19:14] <rmatte> If you run the backups while zenoss is running, yes it'll take a while
[11-Apr-2011 12:19:23] <Sam-I-Am> uh... theres a zenoss mysql tweaking guide
[11-Apr-2011 12:19:25] <rmatte> if you were to actually stop Zenoss, then do it, I think you'd find it to be much quicker
[11-Apr-2011 12:19:31] <Sam-I-Am> so most of that stuff after talking to the sysadmin
[11-Apr-2011 12:19:39] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: yes
[11-Apr-2011 12:19:51] <davetoo> *nod*
[11-Apr-2011 12:20:13] <rmatte> another tactic you could consider is setting up another MySQL server, then configuring them to replicate to each other
[11-Apr-2011 12:20:16] <rmatte> pretty sure it can be done
[11-Apr-2011 12:20:22] <rmatte> then you could use the secondary for backups
[11-Apr-2011 12:21:09] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[11-Apr-2011 12:21:31] <JohnnyNoc> fortuantely my boss says to hell with the events db
[11-Apr-2011 12:21:37] <rmatte> lol
[11-Apr-2011 12:21:45] <rmatte> all of our events go in to our ticketing system
[11-Apr-2011 12:21:53] <rmatte> so it doesn't really matter if we lose event DBs
[11-Apr-2011 12:22:10] <rmatte> other than for availability data
[11-Apr-2011 12:22:15] <kokey> how do you find a device from python instead of using the 'find' command in zendmd?
[11-Apr-2011 12:22:16] <JohnnyNoc> we just do a daily zenbackup without the events db and he's happy about that
[11-Apr-2011 12:22:41] <rmatte> It's too bad that the availability isn't calculated a different way.  The way they do it is really intensive
[11-Apr-2011 12:23:08] <davetoo> kokey: what do you mean "from python instead of .. zendmd"?
[11-Apr-2011 12:23:09] <Sam-I-Am> does zenbackup run nicely without knocking zenoss for a loop?
[11-Apr-2011 12:23:42] <kokey> davetoo: as in a python script that does from Products.ZenUtils.ZenScriptBase import ZenScriptBase
[11-Apr-2011 12:23:50] <kokey> davetoo: instead of a zendmd script
[11-Apr-2011 12:23:55] <davetoo> ok
[11-Apr-2011 12:24:08] <JohnnyNoc> Sam-I-Am it seems to work well for us
[11-Apr-2011 12:24:48] <JohnnyNoc> granted, i hvae yet to test a restore from our backup :X
[11-Apr-2011 12:25:21] <davetoo> kokey: I don't remember off the top of my head, which is why I'm looking for the zendmd.py source on-line
[11-Apr-2011 12:25:53] <davetoo> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/browser/trunk/Products/ZenModel/zendmd.py
[11-Apr-2011 12:26:08] <davetoo> dmd.Devices.findDevice(string)
[11-Apr-2011 12:26:45] <kokey> davetoo: thanks
[11-Apr-2011 12:27:07] <davetoo> heh
[11-Apr-2011 12:27:24] <davetoo> #Chip's pitched battle against segfault.
[11-Apr-2011 12:27:25] <davetoo>  #import pdb;pdb.set_trace()
[11-Apr-2011 12:29:49] <kokey> hehe
[11-Apr-2011 12:38:09] <kokey> davetoo: i wonder if there's a way to do reindex like that too
[11-Apr-2011 12:38:53] <kokey> perhaps dmd.reindex_all() is what I'm after
[11-Apr-2011 12:39:05] <davetoo> possibly
[11-Apr-2011 12:39:13] <davetoo> did you look at that source code?
[11-Apr-2011 12:39:41] <davetoo> the global reindex() calls six different reIndex() methods
[11-Apr-2011 12:39:54] <kokey> ah, I should, it tells me everything
[11-Apr-2011 12:40:36] <kokey> hmmmm
[11-Apr-2011 12:40:46] <davetoo> The way that _customStuff method works is that it defines all those functions into it's lexical local space, and then passes those in locals() to the ipython or readline-based shell
[11-Apr-2011 12:41:30] <davetoo> s/method/function/
[11-Apr-2011 12:42:23] <kokey> ok, going home
[11-Apr-2011 12:44:26] <Sam-I-Am> rocket: does zenoss have an official stance on performing mysqldump on an active db?
[11-Apr-2011 12:58:59] <jb> i do it
[11-Apr-2011 13:16:52] <rocket> Sam-I-Am: as in to do it or not?
[11-Apr-2011 13:17:05] <rocket> Sam-I-Am: I believe that is what zenbackup is doing in the background
[11-Apr-2011 13:17:28] <rocket> I can confirm if needed, if that is true then it would appear that we support it
[11-Apr-2011 13:17:47] <Sam-I-Am> yeah... wasnt sure if it was a recommended practice or should i do things like stop zenoss first.  i havent looked at what all the zenbackup script does.
[11-Apr-2011 13:20:05] <rocket> Sam-I-Am: we do not stop zenoss to take a backup
[11-Apr-2011 13:20:17] <jb> yeah zenbackup just does a dump
[11-Apr-2011 13:20:23] <jb> (mysqldump)
[11-Apr-2011 13:20:29] <Sam-I-Am> interesting
[11-Apr-2011 13:21:29] <Sam-I-Am> rocket: ok.  guess i need to figure out why my dump time went to 15 minutes after increasing all other performance within zenoss
[11-Apr-2011 13:21:39] <Sam-I-Am> not sure zenoss likes waiting around for 15 minutes
[11-Apr-2011 13:21:42] <jb> hah, mine was taking 3+ hours
[11-Apr-2011 13:21:45] <tehhobbit> also I really dont like HR atm, didnt get a second intervju with the techies, because I used 3com and juniper ( still know the techniques I claimed just not ios syntax)
[11-Apr-2011 13:22:19] <tehhobbit> as if ospf was just about syntax
[11-Apr-2011 13:22:35] <Sam-I-Am> tehhobbit: it sucks when people base everything on one brand of hw
[11-Apr-2011 13:23:01] <tehhobbit> yeah would have loved the gig
[11-Apr-2011 13:23:17] <tehhobbit> streaming media (tv channels *play* stuff
[11-Apr-2011 13:24:14] <Sam-I-Am> interviews are weird sometimes
[11-Apr-2011 13:24:20] <Sam-I-Am> most of the time
[11-Apr-2011 13:37:06] <jb> ok erm
[11-Apr-2011 13:37:19] <jb> Sam-I-Am: care to pastebin your BGP transform once more?
[11-Apr-2011 13:37:24] <jb> want to make sure I paste it correctly
[11-Apr-2011 14:14:13] <Sam-I-Am> jb: one sec
[11-Apr-2011 14:18:46] <Sam-I-Am> jb: http://pastebin.com/D8cjE8U7
[11-Apr-2011 14:19:09] <Sam-I-Am> jb: thats a bit modified from mine to remove stuff only pertinent to my network
[11-Apr-2011 14:24:16] <jb> thanks, i'll give it a try
[11-Apr-2011 14:32:46] <JohnnyNoc> Sam-I-Am does the recommendation you made regarding my interface utilization alerts apply to filesystems as well?
[11-Apr-2011 14:33:15] <JohnnyNoc> that is, changing COUNTER to DERIVE with a min of 0...  I have this machine with a large fs that is never reported correctly which is why i ask
[11-Apr-2011 14:34:58] <davetoo> I wonder if anybody's made zenpacks for Hadoop/HDFS/etc.
[11-Apr-2011 14:35:32] <davetoo> A recent "state of the art" Hadoop monitoring presentation recommended Nagios  + Cacti
[11-Apr-2011 14:35:35] <davetoo> which is silly
[11-Apr-2011 14:35:45] <davetoo> hmm
[11-Apr-2011 14:35:50] <davetoo> is community.zenoss.org down?
[11-Apr-2011 14:36:29] <JohnnyNoc> taking forever to load thats for sure
[11-Apr-2011 14:36:39] <JohnnyNoc> but that's how it acts 50% of the time in my experience (it just finished loading)
[11-Apr-2011 14:37:15] <davetoo> I don't have that impression of it.
[11-Apr-2011 14:37:29] <davetoo> Perhaps I haven't been there enough recently.
[11-Apr-2011 14:40:51] <JohnnyNoc> i notice it all the time
[11-Apr-2011 14:40:54] <davetoo> wow
[11-Apr-2011 14:41:15] <davetoo> sounds to me like they need to consider an expandable cloud hosting solution
[11-Apr-2011 14:42:00] <JohnnyNoc> i just wonder if it's "just me" (tm)
[11-Apr-2011 14:42:25] <davetoo> no
[11-Apr-2011 14:42:34] <davetoo> it's still not finished loading
[11-Apr-2011 14:42:46] <davetoo> heh
[11-Apr-2011 14:43:26] <davetoo> I never remember my Usenix login/password.  Good thing the website sessions never time out; I'm still logged in from months ago   So I can see the conference videos.
[11-Apr-2011 14:53:23] <JohnnyNoc> hahaha
[11-Apr-2011 14:53:23] <JohnnyNoc> wow
[11-Apr-2011 14:53:38] <JohnnyNoc> anything interesting? 
[11-Apr-2011 14:54:30] <davetoo> http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa10/tech/
[11-Apr-2011 14:54:33] <davetoo> can you see that?
[11-Apr-2011 14:59:13] <JohnnyNoc> yes
[11-Apr-2011 14:59:47] <JohnnyNoc> nice, now to find some free time
[11-Apr-2011 14:59:56] <davetoo> I"m watching the final Invited Talk on the lower left
[11-Apr-2011 15:00:04] <davetoo> are you a Usenix/SAGE member?
[11-Apr-2011 15:00:11] <JohnnyNoc> grr i've got a server allocation meeting to go to
[11-Apr-2011 15:00:13] <JohnnyNoc> no, i should be though
[11-Apr-2011 15:00:33] <davetoo> it's relatively worthwhile
[11-Apr-2011 15:11:19] <Sam-I-Am> JohnnyNoc: not sure about those values
[11-Apr-2011 15:22:38] <creamers> question, if my cpu threshold is set to >90% and my Escalate Count is set to 5 how long does it take before it is escalated from warning to critical? => every 5min a >90% warning counting 5 time means after 25min?
[11-Apr-2011 15:24:39] <creamers> ( *or escalated from warning to error)
[11-Apr-2011 15:25:18] <Sam-I-Am> counts increment every cycle time
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[11-Apr-2011 19:36:51] <kingstonlee> i'm having an issue with remodelling devices, where it creates duplicate ethn Interfaces and does not see the zNmapPortscanOptions in Zenoss 2.5
[11-Apr-2011 19:38:41] <kingstonlee> any ideas?
[11-Apr-2011 20:13:52] <sergeymasushko> hi
[11-Apr-2011 20:14:46] <sergeymasushko> can someone tell my whay when I check the box "has summary" on the graph and click save it disappears?
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[12-Apr-2011 03:04:48] <creamers> Eventlog shows /status/ping "ip x.x.x.x is down" while the device is already deleted ?
[12-Apr-2011 03:05:04] <creamers> should this event not disappear automatically ?
[12-Apr-2011 03:06:11] <fragfutter> creamers: if you deleted the device after the event showed up, zenoss will never try to ping it again and never will get a clear event
[12-Apr-2011 03:07:20] <creamers> oke, so what would be the logicl thing to do....close event ?
[12-Apr-2011 03:07:32] <fragfutter> creamers: correct
[12-Apr-2011 03:07:50] <creamers> thx!
[12-Apr-2011 03:10:30] <_TORNADO_> hi! I've asked a question yesterday. But then I had to go. Is there a possibility to fetch the channel history?
[12-Apr-2011 03:10:59] <Minken> Hi!
[12-Apr-2011 03:11:56] <Minken> i'm wondering, do zenoss have any support for RFC 3877?
[12-Apr-2011 03:12:50] <fragfutter> Minken: is that snmp traps?
[12-Apr-2011 03:12:56] <Minken> yeah
[12-Apr-2011 03:13:07] <fragfutter> Minken: you can configure it as a trap-sink
[12-Apr-2011 03:13:36] <Minken> ah, will that give me the support for alarm models specified in 3877?
[12-Apr-2011 03:13:55] <fragfutter> no idea about the rfc.
[12-Apr-2011 03:17:09] <Minken> Alarm models document an understanding between a manager and an agent as to what problems will be reported on a system, how these problems   will be reported, and what might possibly happen over the lifetime of  this problem.
[12-Apr-2011 03:17:35] <Minken> So can Zenoss be configured to recieve these alarm model docs and make heads or tails out of it? =p
[12-Apr-2011 03:18:51] <fragfutter> you can receive them, translate them with a mib, automaticly classify them, transform them, alert, receive clear events, etc.
[12-Apr-2011 03:20:26] <fragfutter> but i neither heard of "zenoss implements rfc 3877"
[12-Apr-2011 03:21:20] <Minken> hm alright
[12-Apr-2011 03:21:45] <Minken> what ways can Zenoss autmaticly classify and transform them?
[12-Apr-2011 03:21:51] <Minken> with the template option?
[12-Apr-2011 03:22:05] <fragfutter> with a transform and any python code you can think of
[12-Apr-2011 03:23:01] <Minken> ah
[12-Apr-2011 03:25:44] <Minken> when you say a transform, you mean custom code for transformation of the alarm models or do zenoss have any own transformation tool?
[12-Apr-2011 03:26:21] <fragfutter> events -> Event Classes
[12-Apr-2011 03:30:34] <Minken> ah =)
[12-Apr-2011 04:10:42] <creamers> Are modelers only used for creating components? In other words, if I remove all modelers from a device class, would my own created templates work the way they are supposed to?
[12-Apr-2011 04:32:30] <creamers> In my opinion the components show alot of events that we probably don't want to see cause we only want THE events that matter to us
[12-Apr-2011 04:32:36] <creamers> any suggestions ?
[12-Apr-2011 04:47:32] <creamers> OR is there a way to disable monitoring components so I only use my own monitoring templates ?
[12-Apr-2011 04:56:47] <_TORNADO_> hi! I've asked a question yesterday. But then I had to go. Is there a possibility to fetch the channel history?
[12-Apr-2011 05:56:36] <creamers> for wmi problems in server 2008 r2 -> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/981314/en-us
[12-Apr-2011 06:40:05] <Sashness> good to know creamers. thanks!
[12-Apr-2011 06:44:55] <fragfutter> _TORNADO_: on a monthly basis if someone remembers to upload them community/documentation/irc?view=documents
[12-Apr-2011 07:03:34] <froztbyte> creamers: it's not magic
[12-Apr-2011 07:03:49] <froztbyte> creamers: a template has a set of components that are mapped to it
[12-Apr-2011 07:03:59] <froztbyte> done by the collectors
[12-Apr-2011 07:04:10] <froztbyte> if you don't want something, remove it from the template
[12-Apr-2011 07:41:54] <creamers> froztbyte: oke, so it's a collector that uses a template to retreive information and therefor some components are shown...In other words, a collector without templates does not resolve in a component discovery?
[12-Apr-2011 07:42:19] <froztbyte> creamers: are you using 2.5 or 3?
[12-Apr-2011 07:49:21] <creamers> 3
[12-Apr-2011 07:51:14] <froztbyte> docs/DOC-9392 && docs/DOC-9483#Monitoring_Templates && docs/DOC-9483#Modeler_Plugins
[12-Apr-2011 07:53:15] <creamers> I have read those...you say, remove it from the template, but not all components have templates, right? Like forexample 'windows services component'
[12-Apr-2011 07:55:03] <creamers> think a modeler results in 'windows services component', but removing this modeler results into more than just removing a 'component'. Probably also other functionality?
[12-Apr-2011 07:56:14] <Sashness> i think i missed the previous part of the conversation, why do you want to remove those components?
[12-Apr-2011 07:57:15] <froztbyte> creamers: a perf template that's bound to your device class must have the modeler plugin, then
[12-Apr-2011 07:58:46] <creamers> Sashness: I would like to have less events and just events from templates I create
[12-Apr-2011 07:59:19] <creamers> Sashness: if I could disable events from components, than I would be happy
[12-Apr-2011 08:02:55] <creamers> Let me ask a more direct question:  Devices->Winservice (locally defined) component template : no datapoints, tresholds, graphs created but still events from winlogon etc?
[12-Apr-2011 08:03:40] <Sashness> yeah so Windows the modeler is what adds the "Windows Services". You can try removing zenoss.wmi.WinServiceMap to see if that stops adding the windows services
[12-Apr-2011 08:03:56] <Sashness> a note though...
[12-Apr-2011 08:04:43] <Sashness> i've noticed that even if you remove that modeler, the services will show up even after a remodel. only way I found to get rid of them was to remove the device and re-add them
[12-Apr-2011 08:06:44] <creamers> ah! noticed it to but didn't remove/add. I am also worried that I remove functionality that I don't know of
[12-Apr-2011 08:10:19] <creamers> like those automatically dependencies! If I remove the interfaces component modeler, am I removing that automatically dependency cause zenoss does not know how it's 'interfaced' ?
[12-Apr-2011 08:10:44] <creamers> (maybe stupid question, but just want to know for sure)
[12-Apr-2011 08:15:21] <Sashness> i believe it gets the dependancies from the routemap modeler plugin because it looks at what your next hop is (default gw) and then checks to see if any device has that IP bound to it
[12-Apr-2011 08:15:31] <Sashness> so yeah, i wouldn't remove that one
[12-Apr-2011 08:17:21] <creamers> oke, not that stupid question then removing a modeler is maybe removing AI
[12-Apr-2011 08:17:36] <Sashness> depends on which modeler
[12-Apr-2011 08:19:13] <creamers> oke!
[12-Apr-2011 08:19:15] <creamers> thx
[12-Apr-2011 08:20:09] <Sashness> yep yep
[12-Apr-2011 09:06:17] <kokey> ok I seem to be reaching the limits of how full my events DB can get
[12-Apr-2011 09:07:13] <froztbyte> throw more cloud at it
[12-Apr-2011 09:08:05] <kokey> yeah i'll have to throw more system at it
[12-Apr-2011 09:08:30] <kokey> hopefully i can get away without having to move it to another guest on our vmware cluster
[12-Apr-2011 09:13:52] <kokey> ok weird, it's happy now
[12-Apr-2011 09:17:36] <froztbyte> I've had some sporadic event db slowness before, just shrugged it off as mysql indexing or somesuch
[12-Apr-2011 09:17:50] <kokey> it depends on the query it seems
[12-Apr-2011 09:18:20] <kokey> some event history queries keeps it quite busy for a long time
[12-Apr-2011 09:18:48] <kokey> i'm going to keep the event history DB stuff only for 7 days
[12-Apr-2011 09:18:50] <kokey> down from 15
[12-Apr-2011 09:19:00] <kokey> that should keep things sane for a while
[12-Apr-2011 09:24:20] <kokey> hehe
[12-Apr-2011 09:24:31] <kokey> nice to see that it deletes old events in chunk
[12-Apr-2011 09:24:44] <kokey> one thing to note is that the DB remains busy for a while as it's happening
[12-Apr-2011 10:10:07] <kokey> does anyone use zenoss for snmp traps?
[12-Apr-2011 10:10:15] <Sam-I-Am> sure
[12-Apr-2011 10:10:22] <Sam-I-Am> primary function
[12-Apr-2011 10:10:29] <rocket> yup we have customers doing that ..
[12-Apr-2011 10:12:13] * Sam-I-Am rocks the 1.3.6.4.5.7
[12-Apr-2011 10:13:04] <kokey> haha
[12-Apr-2011 10:13:26] <kokey> i just want to know what's the best approach for event mappings and classes
[12-Apr-2011 10:13:47] <kokey> i have traps coming in, they're from systemedge but mostly custom stuff
[12-Apr-2011 10:13:58] <kokey> so they all fall under the same oid tree
[12-Apr-2011 10:14:10] <Sam-I-Am> i map traps which come in as unknown best i can, then do a transform on the class rather than individual event
[12-Apr-2011 10:14:12] <kokey> what i put in place is a transform in /Unknown to do stuff with it
[12-Apr-2011 10:14:26] <kokey> but i figure i'm not doing it in the best way
[12-Apr-2011 10:14:41] <Sam-I-Am> i also have some alerting rules set up for unknown alerts from critical devices so we catch stuff that may be a problem, but i havent seen in operation yet to classify
[12-Apr-2011 10:15:02] <Sam-I-Am> hahahaha @ fiber cut info
[12-Apr-2011 10:15:09] <Sam-I-Am> "shotgun penetration of fiber cable"
[12-Apr-2011 10:15:14] <Sam-I-Am> gotta love this redneck state
[12-Apr-2011 10:15:22] <kokey> hahaha
[12-Apr-2011 10:15:36] <Sam-I-Am> and its not the first time thats happened
[12-Apr-2011 10:15:40] <kokey> missed an armadillo
[12-Apr-2011 10:17:28] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: ok, so do you map them based on the eventclasskey?
[12-Apr-2011 10:18:09] <Sam-I-Am> yes
[12-Apr-2011 10:18:53] <kokey> eventclasskey is the name it gets from the MIB I assume
[12-Apr-2011 10:23:29] <Sam-I-Am> yeah
[12-Apr-2011 10:23:34] <Sam-I-Am> its evt.eventClassKey
[12-Apr-2011 10:23:49] <Sam-I-Am> so i do things like if "stuff" in evt.eventClassKey:
[12-Apr-2011 10:23:51] <Sam-I-Am> elif ...
[12-Apr-2011 10:23:57] <Sam-I-Am> and theres an else for catchall
[12-Apr-2011 10:26:51] <kokey> ok, seems like these come in as only one of 4 different eventClasskeys
[12-Apr-2011 10:27:14] <kokey> so I'll set up event classes for those, and create the mappings
[12-Apr-2011 10:58:29] <rmatte> hmmm strange, I'm using the HPSIMMonitor ZenPack which maps temperature sensors to the hardware tab of devices...
[12-Apr-2011 10:58:46] <rmatte> but there's no template included with it to actually monitor those sensors, so I'm making one
[12-Apr-2011 10:59:03] <rmatte> I checked the code for the plugin in the pack that maps them, and it's class is Products.ZenModel.TemperatureSensor
[12-Apr-2011 10:59:21] <rmatte> so I created a template with that class, created some datapoints and a graph, but I don't see anything when I click on the sensors
[12-Apr-2011 10:59:26] <rmatte> not even a broken graph
[12-Apr-2011 10:59:32] <rmatte> can't figure out what I'm doing wrong here
[12-Apr-2011 11:00:47] <rmatte> oh wait, I think I see
[12-Apr-2011 11:04:38] <rmatte> nope, damn
[12-Apr-2011 11:08:48] <rmatte> aha, got it, it was the name of the template
[12-Apr-2011 11:13:10] <JohnnyNoc> hey guys
[12-Apr-2011 11:13:35] <JohnnyNoc> i'm trying to monitor inbound interface drops and believe I have the right OID however it's always a very high number and the graph shows a steady line
[12-Apr-2011 11:13:48] <JohnnyNoc> shouldn't this counter at some point get cleared so the value doesn't just keep rising?
[12-Apr-2011 11:14:11] <JohnnyNoc> i bet it has something to do with the "type" of my RRD graph
[12-Apr-2011 11:14:20] <JohnnyNoc> was hoping someone here could provide some input
[12-Apr-2011 11:15:56] <rocket> JohnnyNoc: see the admin guide re the section performance monitoring and datapoints
[12-Apr-2011 11:16:04] <rocket> there is a concise explanation there
[12-Apr-2011 11:16:22] <JohnnyNoc> alright
[12-Apr-2011 11:16:27] * JohnnyNoc fires up the admin guide
[12-Apr-2011 11:16:28] <rocket> basically you probably need to change it to a gauge
[12-Apr-2011 11:16:36] <JohnnyNoc> it is a gauge currently
[12-Apr-2011 11:16:36] <JohnnyNoc>
[12-Apr-2011 11:16:55] <rocket> err maybe counter then unless you need negative values
[12-Apr-2011 11:17:02] <JohnnyNoc> i tried to copy the outdrop datapoint as close as possible
[12-Apr-2011 11:17:16] <JohnnyNoc> no, no negative values for the number of packets dropped
[12-Apr-2011 11:17:26] Zenethian is now known as zenethian
[12-Apr-2011 11:17:37] <rocket> A source declared as COUNTER will save the rate of change of the value over a step period
[12-Apr-2011 11:18:01] <rocket> eg for traffic counters you usually want a counter
[12-Apr-2011 11:18:46] <rocket> eg that gives packets/s .. it sounds like you are just graphing packets which doesnt make as much sense in your scenario
[12-Apr-2011 11:19:31] <JohnnyNoc> hrm
[12-Apr-2011 11:19:56] <JohnnyNoc> i guess i'm making the assumption that the way outdrops are being monitored in the ethernetCsmacd_64 template is correct which is why i did it the way i did
[12-Apr-2011 11:20:19] <rocket> well it might be accurate for small drops
[12-Apr-2011 11:20:30] <rocket> eg if you dropped 3 packets you would want to know that
[12-Apr-2011 11:21:01] <rocket> but if yuo are dropping hundreds of packets or have a high rate of droppage that needs to be looked at differently
[12-Apr-2011 11:21:13] <Simon4> JohnnyNoc: ifOutDrops is a COUNTER type
[12-Apr-2011 11:21:38] <rocket> Simon4: thanks I hadnt gone back to look
[12-Apr-2011 11:21:52] <JohnnyNoc> Simon4 where did you look?  i'm just going off whats in the template
[12-Apr-2011 11:22:10] <rocket> JohnnyNoc: did you check each datapoint?
[12-Apr-2011 11:22:13] <Simon4> JohnnyNoc: in our ethernetCsmacd_64 template
[12-Apr-2011 11:22:29] <rocket> JohnnyNoc: someone might have changed yours?
[12-Apr-2011 11:22:34] <JohnnyNoc> ugh
[12-Apr-2011 11:22:38] <JohnnyNoc> rocket it's certainly possible
[12-Apr-2011 11:22:53] <JohnnyNoc> that's why i'm very eager to get off our current install and onto a new one..  but i appreciate the pointers from the both of you nonetheless
[12-Apr-2011 11:22:54] <JohnnyNoc>
[12-Apr-2011 11:23:55] <JohnnyNoc> i dont know what the guy before me was doing/thinking but i run into a lot of little things like this that make me want to pull my hair out
[12-Apr-2011 11:25:19] <JohnnyNoc> so i'll give it some time to let zenperfsnmp run a couple times and see what happens
[12-Apr-2011 11:31:58] <rmatte> JohnnyNoc: just saw what you were saying... what value are you graphing?
[12-Apr-2011 11:32:21] <rmatte> Is it ifLastChange?
[12-Apr-2011 11:32:48] <rmatte> oh, ifOutDrops
[12-Apr-2011 11:32:50] <Simon4> JohnnyNoc: you'll need to check that rrd files weren't generated with type of GAUGE
[12-Apr-2011 11:33:26] <Simon4> if they are, you won't see any difference changing it to counter without moving the gauge ones out of the way from memory
[12-Apr-2011 11:33:44] <Simon4> the datapoint setting only affects rrd file creation
[12-Apr-2011 11:34:00] <JohnnyNoc> Simon4 i was going to ask - is it safe to just blow the drops away?
[12-Apr-2011 11:34:16] <Simon4> sure is unless you have some desire to keep sloping line graphs
[12-Apr-2011 11:34:20] <JohnnyNoc> rmatte i'm trying to graph ifInDrops and ifOutDrops..  looks like the problem was using the wrong type for RRD
[12-Apr-2011 11:34:24] <rmatte> JohnnyNoc: Make sure the datasource type is COUNTER, and then blow away the existing RRDs
[12-Apr-2011 11:34:30] <rmatte> that should fix it
[12-Apr-2011 11:35:00] <rmatte> if you use GAUGE it'll graph the literal value, and you'll end up with a graph that remains steady or just keeps increasing
[12-Apr-2011 11:36:00] <JohnnyNoc> yea, i noticed that
[12-Apr-2011 11:36:07] <rmatte>
[12-Apr-2011 11:36:15] <JohnnyNoc> i just copied what was in the ethernetCsmacd_64 template for the OutDrops which apparently was incorrect
[12-Apr-2011 11:36:16] <JohnnyNoc> :/
[12-Apr-2011 11:36:46] <rmatte> ethernetCsmacd_64 doesn't even have that by default, must be something that someone added to it
[12-Apr-2011 11:38:51] <JohnnyNoc> don't nkow what i'd do without you guys
[12-Apr-2011 11:39:01] <rmatte> probably cry
[12-Apr-2011 11:39:04] <rmatte>
[12-Apr-2011 11:39:47] <JohnnyNoc> cry, pull my hair out, bang head on desk/wall
[12-Apr-2011 11:39:50] <JohnnyNoc>
[12-Apr-2011 11:41:20] <rmatte> hehe
[12-Apr-2011 12:00:57] <rmatte> damn, I thought I had saved the RPN expression that I wrote to convert from celsius to farenheit but apparently not
[12-Apr-2011 12:01:00] <rmatte> here we go again...
[12-Apr-2011 12:03:18] <Simon4> far=9,5,/,cel,*,32,+
[12-Apr-2011 12:05:27] <rmatte> I just did: 1.8,*,32,+
[12-Apr-2011 12:05:30] <rmatte> works the same
[12-Apr-2011 12:05:59] <rmatte> cel gets appended to the start of the expression automatically
[12-Apr-2011 12:09:04] <Simon4> sweet
[12-Apr-2011 12:09:57] <rmatte> The guy who was working on the HP Systems Insight Manager Agents Monitor ZenPack got started on it then abandoned it
[12-Apr-2011 12:10:25] <rmatte> It can model temperature sensors, but can't actually monitor them.  I just created a monitoring template for it, works nicely
[12-Apr-2011 12:10:42] <rmatte> I'll submit the update to Nick so that it can be added
[12-Apr-2011 12:11:04] <rmatte> Looks like that pack hasn't been touched since 2009
[12-Apr-2011 12:14:51] <JohnnyNoc> nice
[12-Apr-2011 12:14:59] <JohnnyNoc> that you are fixin it up
[12-Apr-2011 12:15:41] <rmatte> yeh well, it's actually written quite well, just needs fixing up.
[12-Apr-2011 12:48:11] <linkslice> how do I set prodstate when loading from zenbatchload?
[12-Apr-2011 12:57:11] <rmatte> linkslice: I haven't personally used zenbatchload, but if you run it without arguments or with --help, does it not give you usage info?
[12-Apr-2011 12:58:26] <linkslice> it does, it has a --sample-configs option but  it doesn't give an example for setting a production state
[12-Apr-2011 12:59:29] <rmatte> I just looked at the code for it and there doesn't appear to be any code to do with production state
[12-Apr-2011 12:59:56] <davetoo> I haven't run it in .. 18 months   But have you tried setting productionState at the organizer level?
[12-Apr-2011 13:00:37] <davetoo> rmatte: does it explicitly list what it understands?  Or just try to pass any argments listed on the rows?
[12-Apr-2011 13:01:27] <rmatte> davetoo: well, it seems to be able to do any zProperty... so you may be able to have it set production state directly
[12-Apr-2011 13:01:35] <rmatte> but it would most likely have to be done numerically
[12-Apr-2011 13:02:16] <davetoo> and since it's not a zProperty, may have to be done per-device?  not sure.
[12-Apr-2011 13:04:14] <rmatte> no idea
[12-Apr-2011 13:04:31] <rmatte> I don't use zenbatchload, I use an old script that Jane Curry wrote, not quite as elegant but it works
[12-Apr-2011 13:04:34] <davetoo> woah
[12-Apr-2011 13:05:09] <davetoo> --sample_configs is new since I last used zenbatchload (the existence of that option)
[12-Apr-2011 13:05:23] <rmatte> davetoo: where are you seeing that?
[12-Apr-2011 13:05:34] <davetoo>  zenbatchload --sample_configs | less
[12-Apr-2011 13:06:26] <rmatte> If you type zenbatchload --help you just see generic zendmd options
[12-Apr-2011 13:06:31] <rmatte> you'll see those with any Zenoss daemon, and any script that you add the zendmd imports to
[12-Apr-2011 13:06:37] <davetoo> yes, correct,
[12-Apr-2011 13:06:43] <davetoo> those are from zenscriptbase
[12-Apr-2011 13:06:47] <rmatte> correct
[12-Apr-2011 13:07:13] <davetoo> the --sample_config option for zenbatchload is what I'm looking at.
[12-Apr-2011 13:07:21] <rmatte> the way to make them actually display their own options is...
[12-Apr-2011 13:07:23] <rmatte> dmd = ZenScriptBase(connect=True, noopts=True).dmd
[12-Apr-2011 13:07:33] <rmatte> that line needs to be like that, with noopts=True
[12-Apr-2011 13:07:36] <rmatte> but they never do that
[12-Apr-2011 13:07:41] <davetoo> Which is again different than --genconfig
[12-Apr-2011 13:08:37] <rmatte> ah
[12-Apr-2011 13:10:29] <davetoo> (which needs to be just an argument to the shell wrappers, not an --option)
[12-Apr-2011 13:17:57] <rmatte> yeh
[12-Apr-2011 13:18:22] <linkslice> if I load a device I can set the prod state with dev.setProdState(500), but when I that from zenbatchload it doesn't take. :-/
[12-Apr-2011 13:18:41] <linkslice> (that is, I can set it from zendmd)
[12-Apr-2011 14:05:24] <davetoo> I wrote my own tool that added stuff from a .csv
[12-Apr-2011 14:08:28] <Sam-I-Am> howdy guys
[12-Apr-2011 14:08:39] * Sam-I-Am did his first solo cross country flight this morning
[12-Apr-2011 14:08:44] <Sam-I-Am> (and survived)
[12-Apr-2011 14:08:53] <froztbyte> \o/
[12-Apr-2011 14:08:58] <froztbyte> how many hours have you got?
[12-Apr-2011 14:09:33] <Sam-I-Am> total? 50 something i think
[12-Apr-2011 14:09:48] <Sam-I-Am> been slow coming with the trash weather here
[12-Apr-2011 14:10:07] <froztbyte> going for your PPL?
[12-Apr-2011 14:10:10] <Sam-I-Am> http://aprs.fi/?call=kg0w-11&mt=roadmap&z=11&timerange=10800
[12-Apr-2011 14:10:13] <Sam-I-Am> thats my track
[12-Apr-2011 14:10:14] <Sam-I-Am> yes
[12-Apr-2011 14:10:19] <Sam-I-Am> so i can get out of kansas more quickly
[12-Apr-2011 14:10:25] <froztbyte> haha
[12-Apr-2011 14:10:35] <froztbyte> dorothy's impatient, is she?
[12-Apr-2011 14:10:44] <Sam-I-Am> yes
[12-Apr-2011 14:10:51] <froztbyte> someday I'll get around to doing my PPL
[12-Apr-2011 14:11:07] <Sam-I-Am> hopefully you're someplace the weather is more agreeable
[12-Apr-2011 14:11:13] <froztbyte> .za
[12-Apr-2011 14:11:17] <Sam-I-Am> it was fun doing it in a plane with no GPS
[12-Apr-2011 14:11:21] <Sam-I-Am> people were like "oh no thats risky"
[12-Apr-2011 14:11:23] <Sam-I-Am> but it was fine
[12-Apr-2011 14:11:32] <froztbyte> risky?
[12-Apr-2011 14:11:33] <Sam-I-Am> the whole point of visual flying is looking out the window
[12-Apr-2011 14:11:40] <Sam-I-Am> well, in case you get lost
[12-Apr-2011 14:11:51] <froztbyte> we (by which I mean humanity) did that shit for close on 80 years
[12-Apr-2011 14:11:57] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, i know
[12-Apr-2011 14:12:03] <froztbyte> and most of us (>99%?) survived it
[12-Apr-2011 14:12:08] <Sam-I-Am> but people these days freak out without a safety net
[12-Apr-2011 14:12:14] <froztbyte> yeah, well
[12-Apr-2011 14:12:15] <froztbyte> wimps.
[12-Apr-2011 14:12:20] <froztbyte>
[12-Apr-2011 14:13:04] <davetoo> There are still many places with town names on the side of the hills from the early days of flying
[12-Apr-2011 14:13:17] <Sam-I-Am> davetoo: oh yeah, and water towers
[12-Apr-2011 14:14:02] <froztbyte> Sam-I-Am: anyhoo, cool to hear though
[12-Apr-2011 14:14:42] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[12-Apr-2011 14:14:43] <davetoo> I was just talking to somebody in another channel about ICBMs around Lawrence
[12-Apr-2011 14:14:52] <Sam-I-Am> ha
[12-Apr-2011 14:14:55] <Sam-I-Am> wouldnt surprise me
[12-Apr-2011 14:15:14] <davetoo> well there was that movie in the mid-80's
[12-Apr-2011 15:04:23] <JohnnyNoc> Sam-I-Am congrats on living through your flight this morning
[12-Apr-2011 15:04:32] <JohnnyNoc> awesome hobby you have there
[12-Apr-2011 15:20:57] <KC9NVQ> is there a migration guide for the stack install of 3.0 to get to 3.1?
[12-Apr-2011 16:10:46] <][ceman> By chance has anyone used the zenbatchloader?
[12-Apr-2011 16:54:16] <jb> Sam-I-Am: here?
[12-Apr-2011 16:54:31] <Sam-I-Am> yes
[12-Apr-2011 16:54:35] <Sam-I-Am> finally done with a meeting
[12-Apr-2011 16:54:38] <jb>
[12-Apr-2011 16:54:49] <jb> ok, i bring a bgp session down, and get "BGP Neighbor Down"
[12-Apr-2011 16:54:56] <jb> bring one up, and I get "BGP neighbor active"
[12-Apr-2011 16:55:05] <jb> should the "neighbor down" clear?
[12-Apr-2011 16:55:18] <jb> i'm also getting a "cbgpBackwardTransition" trap
[12-Apr-2011 16:55:20] <Sam-I-Am> active happens before established, but only established will clear neighbor down
[12-Apr-2011 16:55:34] <Sam-I-Am> oh, thats the cisco proprietary crap again
[12-Apr-2011 16:55:44] <Sam-I-Am> you need the standard IETF bgp mibs and traps
[12-Apr-2011 16:56:08] <jb> think I have em
[12-Apr-2011 16:56:25] <jb> else it would come in as snmpTrap.X
[12-Apr-2011 16:56:25] <Sam-I-Am> make sure the device sends standard traps too
[12-Apr-2011 16:56:34] <jb> snmp-server enable traps bgp
[12-Apr-2011 16:56:41] <Sam-I-Am> yeah
[12-Apr-2011 16:56:55] <Sam-I-Am> cisco stuff varies widely, so ymmv on what each actually sends
[12-Apr-2011 16:57:04] <Sam-I-Am> my stuff doesnt send bgp traps even when they're enabled
[12-Apr-2011 16:57:13] <jb> ah ok
[12-Apr-2011 16:57:48] <Sam-I-Am> best bet is probably looking at the trap details and comparing it to what the transform looks for, then modify the transform as needed
[12-Apr-2011 16:58:55] <jb> cause my BGP session goes from "idle" (when down) to "active" when up
[12-Apr-2011 16:59:22] <jb> and i only get the BGP Neighbor Active
[12-Apr-2011 16:59:45] <jb> ah
[12-Apr-2011 16:59:45] <jb> 04:57 <ReinH:#puppet> nasrat: pinglish
[12-Apr-2011 16:59:47] <jb> oops.
[12-Apr-2011 16:59:50] <jb> messageProblem with line 6: peerstate = evt.bgpPeerState
[12-Apr-2011 17:00:02] <Sam-I-Am> is the bgp session actually reaching established state?
[12-Apr-2011 17:00:49] <jb> oh, thats the problem
[12-Apr-2011 17:00:53] <jb> active != established
[12-Apr-2011 17:02:57] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[12-Apr-2011 17:03:02] <Sam-I-Am> read up on bgp states
[12-Apr-2011 17:03:42] <jb> i am now
[12-Apr-2011 17:16:57] <froztbyte> 04/12 22:57:05 < Sam-I-Am> my stuff doesnt send bgp traps even when they're enabled
[12-Apr-2011 17:17:00] <froztbyte> software version issue?
[12-Apr-2011 17:26:18] <Sam-I-Am> its cisco
[12-Apr-2011 17:46:45] <Sam-I-Am> ohhh shiiiiii
[12-Apr-2011 17:46:50] <Sam-I-Am> entire backbone just broke
[12-Apr-2011 18:13:50] <froztbyte> haha
[12-Apr-2011 18:14:09] <froztbyte> I had a maint window I was waiting on, went quite smooth
[12-Apr-2011 18:14:52] <froztbyte> waiting for test runs to complete, then I'm crashing. hard.
[12-Apr-2011 18:17:26] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[12-Apr-2011 18:17:30] <Sam-I-Am> this was... bad.
[12-Apr-2011 18:17:32] <Sam-I-Am> velly bad.
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[13-Apr-2011 05:10:05] <creamers> Does anybody know where to find some good windows monitoring templates to use/examples? Like dhcp request template to test dhcp functionality, dns query to test dns, etc?\
[13-Apr-2011 05:48:44] <creamers> looks like i need nagios plugins for dhcp requests?!
[13-Apr-2011 06:22:09] <creamers> found check_dhcp.c nagios file ...am i going the right way?
[13-Apr-2011 06:47:06] <kokey> what about dhcp do you want to check?
[13-Apr-2011 06:47:16] <kokey> just check if the dhcp server is handing out IPs?
[13-Apr-2011 07:36:01] <creamers> right
[13-Apr-2011 07:36:34] <creamers> just that...cause checking a running service is one thing but knowing it's handing out ip is better
[13-Apr-2011 08:00:28] <kokey> well you can always check if the process is just running, doing an OS process check
[13-Apr-2011 08:02:43] <creamers> i did
[13-Apr-2011 08:03:09] <creamers> kokey: but my problem is now how i let zenoss do a dhcp req check
[13-Apr-2011 08:04:17] <creamers> found the check_dhcp nagios plugin and placed it in /libexec/  -> don't know if i can place those file there directly without compiling or something
[13-Apr-2011 08:05:02] <fragfutter> creamers: check_dhcp is written in perl
[13-Apr-2011 08:05:13] <fragfutter> creamers: you can execute it manualy to check if it works
[13-Apr-2011 08:06:33] <creamers> fragfutter: oke, but when placed in /libexec/ can i use it as 'command' in zenoss interface?
[13-Apr-2011 08:07:20] <fragfutter> creamers: docs/DOC-2514
[13-Apr-2011 08:08:27] <creamers> read that. check_http was already there and this file is not perl
[13-Apr-2011 08:09:11] <fragfutter> doesn't matter. it needs to be an executable file. read up on shebang lines
[13-Apr-2011 08:10:12] <kokey> creamers: zenoss won't compile it for you
[13-Apr-2011 08:10:33] <kokey> creamers: you'll have to compile it yourself, or find something else to do it for you
[13-Apr-2011 08:10:46] <fragfutter> kokey: it's perl. no need to compile
[13-Apr-2011 08:11:42] <kokey> oh, check_dhcp is perl?
[13-Apr-2011 08:11:53] <creamers> mhhz ... fragfutter so i don't need to compile it and I can place this perl check_dhcp file in there
[13-Apr-2011 08:12:09] <kokey> yeah, try run it from the command line first as the zenoss user
[13-Apr-2011 08:12:12] <creamers> next thing is to test this perl file as command
[13-Apr-2011 08:12:12] <kokey> ./check_dhcp
[13-Apr-2011 08:12:39] <creamers> k...gonna look for the right argument to req dhcp
[13-Apr-2011 08:12:46] <creamers> thx for explaning
[13-Apr-2011 08:12:54] <creamers> explaining
[13-Apr-2011 08:13:19] <creamers> http://nagiosplugins.org/man/check_dhcp
[13-Apr-2011 09:09:04] <kokey> ok, so in event classes
[13-Apr-2011 09:09:20] <kokey> if i add a transform, does it apply to all the subclasses?
[13-Apr-2011 09:17:39] <Sam-I-Am> mooo.
[13-Apr-2011 09:17:56] <Sam-I-Am> kokey: yes, and it gets inherited in subclasses so you can add to it
[13-Apr-2011 09:19:28] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: cool, so stuff created in the parent class are accessible in the subclasses?
[13-Apr-2011 09:19:46] <Sam-I-Am> yes
[13-Apr-2011 09:20:30] <kokey> nice, handy
[13-Apr-2011 09:20:43] <kokey> this handling the mess of traps thing is turning out easier than I thought
[13-Apr-2011 09:21:03] <Sam-I-Am> its not bad once you get the hang of it
[13-Apr-2011 09:28:44] <JohnnyNoc> g'morning gents
[13-Apr-2011 09:29:57] <Sam-I-Am> yo
[13-Apr-2011 09:33:04] <JohnnyNoc> Sam-I-Am thanks for the help yestreday regarding the interface drops.  between you and rmatte looks like i've got it setup correctly.  oh, and this guy shane scott on the forums.  he's been super awesome too.
[13-Apr-2011 09:36:32] <kokey> it's funny though, how people can still consider nagios for anything except the basics
[13-Apr-2011 09:36:57] <kokey> it's pretty solid for the basics
[13-Apr-2011 09:37:01] <kokey> but that's it
[13-Apr-2011 09:37:14] <kokey> well, not even basics, what i would consider basics
[13-Apr-2011 09:38:41] <Sam-I-Am> yep
[13-Apr-2011 09:38:46] <JohnnyNoc> one thing i notice when looking at the nagios/check_mk solution another group here uses is it's much much faster than zenoss
[13-Apr-2011 09:38:59] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: how do you deal with once-off traps?
[13-Apr-2011 09:39:08] <JohnnyNoc> and for their uses, probably "good enough"
[13-Apr-2011 09:39:24] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: e.g. something happens, and there is no clear event for it
[13-Apr-2011 09:39:35] <JohnnyNoc> kokey aren't you supposed to map it to an event class?
[13-Apr-2011 09:39:47] <Sam-I-Am> kokey: depends what it is
[13-Apr-2011 09:40:14] <Sam-I-Am> kokey: if its an interface trap, you can implement polling to clear stuff.  if its something else, sometimes you just get to use wetware to clear it.
[13-Apr-2011 09:40:52] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: do you use anything that will automatically clear after a certain amount of time?
[13-Apr-2011 09:41:08] <kokey> I guess moving to history may be another option
[13-Apr-2011 09:41:13] <JohnnyNoc> is that what "event aging" does?
[13-Apr-2011 09:41:40] <kokey> JohnnyNoc: yeah, except some events I might want to age faster
[13-Apr-2011 09:41:40] <Sam-I-Am> you CAN age out critical events which don't increment count
[13-Apr-2011 09:41:50] <Sam-I-Am> just depends on how that works in your organization
[13-Apr-2011 09:42:01] <JohnnyNoc> Sam-I-Am how much to outsource my job to you
[13-Apr-2011 09:42:16] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: also, is there a way to make sure something send an alert even if it's a duplicate that would increase count?
[13-Apr-2011 09:42:24] <Sam-I-Am> if you'd let me work from colorado, i'd think about it
[13-Apr-2011 09:42:38] <JohnnyNoc> haha
[13-Apr-2011 09:42:42] <kokey> hehe
[13-Apr-2011 09:43:10] <Sam-I-Am> kokey: so keep alerting again even on dupes?
[13-Apr-2011 09:43:21] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: yeah, only for specific traps
[13-Apr-2011 09:43:48] <kokey> e.g. let's say it's a login failure
[13-Apr-2011 09:43:49] <Sam-I-Am> hmmmm
[13-Apr-2011 09:44:09] <kokey> which would be a valid example, and not as messed up as our real examples would be
[13-Apr-2011 09:44:37] <Sam-I-Am> i'm sure theres a way to do it, i just cant think of the logic
[13-Apr-2011 09:44:50] <Sam-I-Am> would it get done in alerting rules or in the transform
[13-Apr-2011 09:44:50] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: ah ok, thought you might be doing that already
[13-Apr-2011 09:45:02] <Sam-I-Am> i do repeat alerts on things which haven't cleared
[13-Apr-2011 09:45:07] <Sam-I-Am> but thats handled in the alerting rules
[13-Apr-2011 10:16:27] <kokey> is the 'example' field in a event class free form or does it do something with it?
[13-Apr-2011 10:23:09] <Sam-I-Am> think its just free form... explained in the docs
[13-Apr-2011 10:23:44] <kokey> the docs doesn't mention that field, hehe
[13-Apr-2011 10:24:03] <kokey> it mentions all the other fields
[13-Apr-2011 10:24:05] <fragfutter> examples are optional, like documentation...
[13-Apr-2011 10:24:24] <kokey> cool, i want to make the examples quite detailed
[13-Apr-2011 10:24:36] <kokey> so when you view a list of event classes, you know what they do
[13-Apr-2011 11:31:07] <JohnnyNoc> anybody here usingi the hp proliant monitor pack and have MSAs?  I'm expecting to see my MSA in the expansion cards sectino of the hardware tab but don't see anything
[13-Apr-2011 11:31:30] <JohnnyNoc> wondering if it's a question of the collector plugins i'm using or perhaps something else
[13-Apr-2011 11:31:48] <fragfutter> JohnnyNoc: msa as in storage system?
[13-Apr-2011 11:31:53] <JohnnyNoc> fragfutter yes
[13-Apr-2011 11:31:56] <JohnnyNoc> modular storage array
[13-Apr-2011 11:32:27] <JohnnyNoc> i see on the zenpack page in his example image there is a MSA1000 listed in his expansion cards..  we're using MSA2xxx and they're not in the expansion cards list
[13-Apr-2011 11:32:27] <JohnnyNoc> :/
[13-Apr-2011 11:33:14] <fragfutter> JohnnyNoc: i have some, but i don't monitor them.
[13-Apr-2011 11:33:49] <fragfutter> JohnnyNoc: the msa are exported by wbem and they don't provide too much data
[13-Apr-2011 11:34:27] <fragfutter> JohnnyNoc: to monitor them there needs to be a wbem provider on the windows system connected to the fibre matrix
[13-Apr-2011 11:35:24] <JohnnyNoc> fragfutter ok there's the first problem, this is on alinux machine
[13-Apr-2011 11:35:25] <JohnnyNoc>
[13-Apr-2011 11:35:52] <fragfutter> JohnnyNoc: afaik hp provides no wbem plugin for linux
[13-Apr-2011 11:39:54] <fragfutter> but msa needs no monitoring. haven't seen a failure yet
[13-Apr-2011 11:40:23] <JohnnyNoc> we've seen problems where we can't login to the MSA
[13-Apr-2011 11:53:18] <jmp242> If you want to add multiple devices to a specific device class, it seems like you can't from the GUI. How come the drop-down isn'
[13-Apr-2011 11:53:36] <jmp242> t the same on the individual device where you can specify any device class?
[13-Apr-2011 11:53:53] <jmp242> Should I just use zenbatchload?
[13-Apr-2011 11:55:16] <fragfutter> how many is multiple?
[13-Apr-2011 11:55:49] <jmp242> Say 14
[13-Apr-2011 11:56:15] <fragfutter> i'd do it from cli. small shell loop aound zendisc
[13-Apr-2011 11:56:49] <fragfutter> for i in systemA systemB; do zendisc run --now -d $i --deviceclass /Some/cool/class ; done
[13-Apr-2011 12:00:09] <jmp242> Ok
[13-Apr-2011 12:00:21] <jmp242> I think though that I may open a bug or feature request for the GUI...
[13-Apr-2011 12:01:19] <fragfutter> my other strategy is to run a discovery on a complete network block. Once done a second script will walk all discovered devices and sort them into classes using the systems oid.
[13-Apr-2011 12:39:02] <Sam-I-Am> moo.
[13-Apr-2011 15:01:59] <jmp242> any idea why Zenoss wouldn't pick up an SMTP IP service on model? I can telnet to port 25 just fine on the target computer... Could it be SNMP v1 related?
[13-Apr-2011 15:03:12] <davetoo> is ipv6 also enabled?
[13-Apr-2011 15:03:50] <jmp242> No
[13-Apr-2011 15:04:10] <jmp242> this is an old VMS box - but other ones are discovered of the same OS
[13-Apr-2011 15:04:18] <davetoo> I had a problem with snmp and dual-stack sockets.  I can't remember if it was related to SNMP version or not.
[13-Apr-2011 15:04:24] <davetoo> oh
[13-Apr-2011 15:05:33] <jmp242> It doesn't look like I can even try and force a check of that port in v3 of Zenoss
[13-Apr-2011 15:05:46] <jmp242> Or add the service to the system . . .
[13-Apr-2011 15:06:52] <davetoo> I have not yet had the opportunity to work with services in v3
[13-Apr-2011 15:07:22] <jmp242> Ahh
[13-Apr-2011 15:07:49] <jmp242> I can't even find useful logs for the modeling for IP services ... Even debug isn't telling me more than it ran IPServiceMap
[13-Apr-2011 16:00:19] <jmp242> Anyone have any insight into how Zenoss does the IP Service modeling?
[13-Apr-2011 16:05:07] <nyeates> how so james?
[13-Apr-2011 16:09:50] <jmp242> Well, I've got one computer that doesn't seem to be picking up SMTP on
[13-Apr-2011 16:10:11] <jmp242> but other very similar ones it is. I'm trying to figure out what's going on
[13-Apr-2011 16:10:21] <jmp242> in a generic sense so that if it happens again I can try and track it down
[13-Apr-2011 16:15:42] <nyeates> so when you say IP service, your refering to a particular port that shows up or down yes?
[13-Apr-2011 16:16:01] <nyeates> or is it, operational, non-operational...i forget
[13-Apr-2011 16:17:28] <JohnnyNoc> hey guys, i have a command i'm using as a data source and I have a questino about how I get the ip of a component
[13-Apr-2011 16:17:56] <JohnnyNoc> for example, script.py ${dev/manageIp} will run my command against the IP of the device in question, however, there is a component on this device who's IP i'm looking for
[13-Apr-2011 16:18:26] <JohnnyNoc> any recommendations on where/how i should start?
[13-Apr-2011 16:20:31] <JohnnyNoc> of course its related to bigegors HP Proliant Zenpack.. he knows how much i love it
[13-Apr-2011 16:21:15] <jmp242> Well, I'm thinking of the ports that do show up in TCP IP Services
[13-Apr-2011 16:21:17] <jmp242> so yes
[13-Apr-2011 16:21:20] <jmp242> up or down
[13-Apr-2011 16:21:39] <jmp242> if monitored. Though it does look like for some of them, like SMTP, it does a regex match against a reply
[13-Apr-2011 16:21:46] <jmp242> i.e. it's doing a little more than just checking the port
[13-Apr-2011 16:21:58] <jmp242> I don't know if that's the case for others.
[13-Apr-2011 16:26:39] <coolhp> Good day everyone.
[13-Apr-2011 16:27:30] <coolhp> I am trying to figure out why I would get a "snowflake" icon on a monitoring template...
[13-Apr-2011 16:28:25] <coolhp> I installed the zenpack for Server/SSH/Linux but for some reason, when I look at the data sources under FileSystem in the monitoring templates, /Server/SSH/Linux shows up with a snowflake.
[13-Apr-2011 16:33:43] <coolhp> Anyone ?
[13-Apr-2011 16:34:03] <jmp242> I've seen that
[13-Apr-2011 16:34:13] <jmp242> I thought that snowflake was for component templates though
[13-Apr-2011 16:34:18] <jmp242> no real idea myself
[13-Apr-2011 16:34:33] <coolhp> Thanks jmp242 !
[13-Apr-2011 16:34:38] <coolhp> I'll dig in a little more.
[13-Apr-2011 16:34:54] <coolhp> To my understanding it means something is wrong with it... or something about debug messages at least.
[13-Apr-2011 16:36:17] <nyeates> snowflake does not mean something is wrong
[13-Apr-2011 16:36:41] <nyeates> it means that it is a component template, which is a different kind of template than most
[13-Apr-2011 16:36:50] <nyeates> component templates are not bound to devices
[13-Apr-2011 16:37:43] <nyeates> they are auto-associated if zenoss determines that the component exists (it knows this from when we model every 12 hrs, or when you first add a device)
[13-Apr-2011 16:38:39] <nyeates> jmp, i was not familar with us doing regex on something for IP Services
[13-Apr-2011 16:39:00] <nyeates> what data would it be doing the regex on?
[13-Apr-2011 16:39:55] <jmp242> So, it looks like (if I'm even understanding it correctly)
[13-Apr-2011 16:40:10] <jmp242> SMTP has a send string
[13-Apr-2011 16:40:11] <jmp242> MAIL FROM zenoss
[13-Apr-2011 16:40:21] <jmp242> and an expect regex of
[13-Apr-2011 16:40:22] <jmp242> 220
[13-Apr-2011 16:40:52] <jmp242> That implies to me that it connects to port 25, writes MAIL FROM zenoss and then expects the response to have 220 in it
[13-Apr-2011 16:40:59] <jmp242> or else it throws an event I would expect
[13-Apr-2011 17:23:56] <nyeates> james, i asked around, and no one replied...i dont know the answer either....it was news to me that we expect a reply regex, i guess you will have to go look through the IP service definitions to see if others have similar regex's
[13-Apr-2011 17:29:27] <coolhp> Would anyone know how I could display multiple subnets on the Network Map ? I've got a zenoss server monitoring a remote server through the net and I'd like to show both devices on the network map... but I cant seem to be able to display more than one subnet at a time.
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[14-Apr-2011 03:31:45] <creamers> goodmorning!
[14-Apr-2011 04:58:07] <_TORNADO_> GM !
[14-Apr-2011 04:59:26] <creamers> hi
[14-Apr-2011 05:09:32] <_TORNADO_> In what TZ are you? seems like everybody sleeps in US now
[14-Apr-2011 05:14:33] <creamers> netherlands
[14-Apr-2011 05:14:35] <creamers> +1
[14-Apr-2011 05:30:35] <creamers> creating a template called:  Dhcp and a datasources within this Dhcp template called Dhcp. Should this create a component template?
[14-Apr-2011 05:31:14] <creamers> cause don't see a snowflake before this Dhcp template
[14-Apr-2011 05:33:06] <creamers> OR, can I only create component templates named as FileSystem, HardDisk, IPService, OSProcess, WinService
[14-Apr-2011 05:34:12] <creamers> I ask this because I would like it to monitor only dhcp at servers with dhcp service
[14-Apr-2011 06:43:58] <creamers> fragfutter: maybe you know..can I create a template that's linked only if it finds a specific service like dhcp? (don't want to enable/disable specific templates for specific servers as they are al windows server with different components and services..)
[14-Apr-2011 06:44:51] <fragfutter> creamers: i think you would need to write a modeller that discovers your service and then binds the template. not sure.
[14-Apr-2011 06:49:08] <creamers> k
[14-Apr-2011 06:49:40] <creamers> gonna think about it while eating a sandwich
[14-Apr-2011 07:19:31] <creamers> created a data source 'Dhcp' under WinService template ...
[14-Apr-2011 07:34:42] <creamers> grrr
[14-Apr-2011 07:37:35] <creamers> maybe under WinService a data source with a query 'if service exists then req dhcp?? Is that possible? How do other zenoss user monitor this?
[14-Apr-2011 07:44:00] <creamers> explain this:  http://i52.tinypic.com/34fiu8o.jpg
[14-Apr-2011 07:45:07] <creamers> adding own command template resolves in a windows service error, but auto binding does not work 'IF dhcp then template'...
[14-Apr-2011 08:20:18] <jmp242> Mmm, creamers it sounds like you want a different sort of component template...
[14-Apr-2011 08:20:41] <jmp242> Though you could just have a command datasource
[14-Apr-2011 08:20:58] <jmp242> and have it query for DHCP somehow, probably a zendmd lookup
[14-Apr-2011 08:21:14] <jmp242> and have that affect if you return good or not
[14-Apr-2011 09:03:58] <sergeymasushko> hi. I noticed a bug with the graph reports. it does not show more than 40 graphs in the "Graphs" section of edit page.
[14-Apr-2011 09:08:21] <coolhp> Would any of you be using the LInux Monitor Addon by Eric J. Edgar ZenPack by any chance ? I cant figure out how to add interface stats to an existing /Devices/SSH/Linux device.
[14-Apr-2011 10:37:42] <joko_>
[14-Apr-2011 10:38:28] <joko_> zenoss 2.5.2 keeps crashing my redhat box
[14-Apr-2011 10:38:35] <joko_> it was running fine for nearly a year
[14-Apr-2011 10:38:37] <Simon4> that's fairly special
[14-Apr-2011 10:38:54] <joko_> for sure
[14-Apr-2011 10:39:36] <joko_> i just deleted the events database and recreated, crossing fingers.... but im sure it will freeze up in about 8 minutes
[14-Apr-2011 10:40:16] <coolhp> Is anyone having issues with Zenoss 3.0 and WMI authentication ? It seems to work on some servers but not others for me even though they share the same username/password and are on the same domain...
[14-Apr-2011 10:51:27] <joko_> well, the server has been up for 20 minutes so far, pretty great
[14-Apr-2011 10:51:49] <joko_> it'll die tho
[14-Apr-2011 10:51:56] <joko_> it couldn't be that easy to fix
[14-Apr-2011 10:53:10] <joko_> yep, it crashed
[14-Apr-2011 10:53:23] <joko_> ahhhh, the loves of opensource
[14-Apr-2011 10:53:58] <Simon4> joko_: if it's only just started on a box that's been solid for a year, I would be suspecting hardware, memory in particular
[14-Apr-2011 10:54:06] <coolhp> What has OpenSource got to do with you server crashing may I ask ? LOL
[14-Apr-2011 10:54:06] <Simon4> can you view the console of the box? is it kernel panicing?
[14-Apr-2011 10:54:27] <joko_> i get kjournald errors
[14-Apr-2011 10:54:44] <joko_> some mysqld, python errors
[14-Apr-2011 10:55:21] <Simon4> out of memory?
[14-Apr-2011 10:55:28] <joko_> looks like:
[14-Apr-2011 10:55:31] <joko_> Feb  2 17:47:56 sedna kernel: INFO: task kjournald:4725 blocked for more than
[14-Apr-2011 10:55:31] <joko_> 120 seconds.
[14-Apr-2011 10:55:31] <joko_> Feb  2 17:47:56 sedna kernel: "echo 0 >
[14-Apr-2011 10:55:31] <joko_> Feb  2 17:47:56 sedna kernel: kjournald     D 0000000000000002     0  4725
[14-Apr-2011 10:55:31] <joko_> 2 0x00000000
[14-Apr-2011 10:55:32] <joko_> Feb  2 17:47:56 sedna kernel: ffff880155069c00 0000000000000046
[14-Apr-2011 10:55:32] <joko_> ffff880155069c00 ffff88015b086600
[14-Apr-2011 10:55:33] <joko_> Feb  2 17:47:56 sedna kernel: ffff880155069bc0 ffffffff81347df9
[14-Apr-2011 10:55:33] <joko_> 0000000000000000 ffff880155069bf0
[14-Apr-2011 10:55:34] <joko_> Feb  2 17:47:56 sedna kernel: ffff880160ad83c8 000000000000f8f0
[14-Apr-2011 10:55:34] <joko_> ffff880160ad83c8 0000000000015600
[14-Apr-2011 10:55:35] <joko_> Feb  2 17:47:56 sedna kernel: Call Trace:
[14-Apr-2011 10:55:35] <joko_> Feb  2 17:47:56 sedna kernel: [<ffffffff81347df9>] ?
[14-Apr-2011 10:55:36] <joko_> dm_table_unplug_all+0x58/0xc0
[14-Apr-2011 10:55:43] <joko_> etc...
[14-Apr-2011 10:55:58] <joko_> it has 12gb of memory i believe?
[14-Apr-2011 10:56:08] <joko_> rebooting it now
[14-Apr-2011 10:56:23] <joko_> the load on it is higher than usual for sure, around 15
[14-Apr-2011 10:56:35] <fragfutter> sounds like a dying disk
[14-Apr-2011 10:56:35] <Simon4> how much of that is IOwait?
[14-Apr-2011 10:56:39] <Simon4> yeah
[14-Apr-2011 10:56:44] <rmatte> Blaming a server crashing on opensource software is ironic seeing as UNIX operating systems are renowned for their stability... just saying
[14-Apr-2011 10:56:53] <nyeates> Helllloo peoples :-)
[14-Apr-2011 10:57:00] <joko_> rmatte: wasn't really my intention, just frustrated
[14-Apr-2011 10:57:00] <rmatte> heya Nick
[14-Apr-2011 10:57:24] <rmatte> It is possible that one of your memory sticks has gone bad
[14-Apr-2011 10:57:45] <joko_> yeah one did earlier last year, but i saw errors in the ILO diagnostics
[14-Apr-2011 10:57:48] <Sam-I-Am> if you're getting very weird kernel panics that dont see consistent, it is NOT software
[14-Apr-2011 10:57:54] <Sam-I-Am> see/seem
[14-Apr-2011 10:57:57] <joko_> well, if i don't run zenoss
[14-Apr-2011 10:58:00] <joko_> it doesn't crash
[14-Apr-2011 10:58:06] <Sam-I-Am> you're also not taxing the box
[14-Apr-2011 10:58:09] <rmatte> right... but think of it this way...
[14-Apr-2011 10:58:11] <Simon4> joko_: sure, but running zenoss creates load
[14-Apr-2011 10:58:11] <joko_> right
[14-Apr-2011 10:58:18] <joko_> no i get that
[14-Apr-2011 10:58:29] <rmatte> Zenoss takes up a lot of Memory... let's say stick 2 of RAM is bad, when Zenoss isn't running it doesn't touch stick 2, all of the memory is on stick 1...
[14-Apr-2011 10:58:39] <fragfutter> joko_: run anthing that puts a high load on the Disk subsystem.
[14-Apr-2011 10:58:39] <rmatte> as soon as you start Zenoss, memory usage increases and it hits sticks 2
[14-Apr-2011 10:58:41] <rmatte> then boom
[14-Apr-2011 10:58:51] <rmatte> I've personally seen that exact issue before
[14-Apr-2011 10:59:01] <joko_> 10gb of memory
[14-Apr-2011 10:59:05] <joko_> yea
[14-Apr-2011 10:59:15] <rmatte> doesn't matter how much memory is actually in there
[14-Apr-2011 10:59:27] <rmatte> Have you run a memtest on it?
[14-Apr-2011 10:59:42] <joko_> it all appears to test fine, using HP proliant diagnostics
[14-Apr-2011 10:59:54] <joko_> i've seen it point out mem stick problems before
[14-Apr-2011 11:00:50] <rmatte> I'd run memtest86 on there to be sure
[14-Apr-2011 11:01:03] <fragfutter> nyeates: that reminds me, nobody answers my pull request
[14-Apr-2011 11:01:08] <joko_> yeah, i might
[14-Apr-2011 11:01:11] <rmatte> not sure how in-depth the HP diagnostics go as far as testing RAM is concerned
[14-Apr-2011 11:01:13] <joko_> have to, that is
[14-Apr-2011 11:01:30] <nyeates> fragfutter: can you email me at community@zenoss.com about this?
[14-Apr-2011 11:01:35] <sergeymasushko> hi. I noticed a bug with the graph reports. it does not show more than 40 graphs in the "Graphs" section of edit page.
[14-Apr-2011 11:01:45] <joko_> well, it's a pretty beefy server, with generally good diags
[14-Apr-2011 11:01:48] <joko_> but
[14-Apr-2011 11:01:51] <joko_> who knows
[14-Apr-2011 11:02:00] <rmatte> sergeymasushko: yeh, I noticed that the other day, there's been a ticket open for ages about that
[14-Apr-2011 11:02:15] <sergeymasushko> heh...
[14-Apr-2011 11:02:42] <fragfutter> nyeates: https://github.com/zenoss/Community-Zenpacks/pull/9
[14-Apr-2011 11:02:43] <nyeates> So a few annoucements / news: There will indeed be a version 3.1.1 . It is already seeing 45+ bug fixes that will be included in it. No time frame yet
[14-Apr-2011 11:03:12] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: is there a way to show singli line for sum of 2 data sources?
[14-Apr-2011 11:03:33] <sergeymasushko> s/singli/single/;
[14-Apr-2011 11:03:35] <rmatte> sergeymasushko: you can use RPN to add them together
[14-Apr-2011 11:03:51] <rmatte> but you won't be able to threshold against the end value, it'll just display that way
[14-Apr-2011 11:03:52] <sergeymasushko> is it described somewhere?
[14-Apr-2011 11:04:08] <rmatte> nah, I haven't seen any guides... basically just do this...
[14-Apr-2011 11:04:20] <rmatte> add 2 graphpoints to a graph
[14-Apr-2011 11:04:39] <rmatte> make the first graphpoint invisible by changing line type to none (has to be the first graph point in the sequence)
[14-Apr-2011 11:04:52] <nyeates> 2nd announce: A Spring ZenPack Upgrade 'Contest' will be oncoming in the next few days, announced on the community blog. Its goal is to get as many existing and new ZenPacks to work on Zenoss 3.* . The community voted for the custom t-shirts a few weeks back, and we will also send plush zebras.
[14-Apr-2011 11:04:53] <rmatte> then when you click on the second graph point, you'll see an RPN field
[14-Apr-2011 11:04:56] <rmatte> you can just do...
[14-Apr-2011 11:05:01] <rmatte> graphpoint1,+
[14-Apr-2011 11:05:02] <rmatte> in that field
[14-Apr-2011 11:05:06] <kokey> nyeates: are those bug fixes available as patches to 3.1 too?
[14-Apr-2011 11:05:10] <rmatte> where graphpoint1 is the name of the first graphpoint
[14-Apr-2011 11:05:13] <rmatte> and it'll add them together
[14-Apr-2011 11:05:24] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: awesome, thanks.
[14-Apr-2011 11:05:40] <rmatte> if you want to actually create a new RRD that is the sum of two values and be able to threshold against it, you can use my formula datasource pack for that
[14-Apr-2011 11:05:46] <nyeates> We have a zenpack 3.0 migrate doc, and want to get more input from devs on what else we might need to cover to ease the transition and creation of new community zenpacks.
[14-Apr-2011 11:05:49] <rmatte> the pack isn't finished, but it works fine for the most part
[14-Apr-2011 11:06:55] <sergeymasushko> I have a stupid RPC device with 2 feeds connected and this device is able to provide by snmp TotalrmsA but doesn't have an OID for TotalmaxA...
[14-Apr-2011 11:07:15] <joko_> hmm
[14-Apr-2011 11:07:22] <joko_> vmstat after starting zenoss:
[14-Apr-2011 11:07:24] <joko_> procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- -----cpu------
[14-Apr-2011 11:07:24] <joko_>  r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   so    bi    bo   in   cs us sy id wa st
[14-Apr-2011 11:07:24] <joko_>  0  1      0 8730360  41660 303148    0    0    51     9   67   44  0  0 98  2  0
[14-Apr-2011 11:07:24] <joko_>  0  1      0 8728688  41660 304864    0    0  1680     0 1262 4487  1  0 94  5  0
[14-Apr-2011 11:07:24] <joko_>  0  1      0 8726744  41660 305956    0    0  1244     0 1213 9517  2  0 94  4  0
[14-Apr-2011 11:07:25] <joko_>  0  1      0 8725748  41660 307896    0    0  1708  3804 1254 5925  1  0 94  5  0
[14-Apr-2011 11:07:25] <joko_>  1  0      0 8723648  41660 309716    0    0  2096    64 1320 6780  1  0 94  5  0
[14-Apr-2011 11:07:34] <nyeates> kokey: if the changeset is on our public trac, they should be patchable
[14-Apr-2011 11:08:01] <nyeates> rmatte's ZP that he speaks of kicks butt btw...use it
[14-Apr-2011 11:08:29] <rmatte> Yeh, it works nicely... just needs some enhancements
[14-Apr-2011 11:08:40] <rmatte> I'll have to find some time to work on that soon
[14-Apr-2011 11:08:42] <coolhp> Would anyone know how I could "link" 2 subnets to display both of them on the network map display ? I've got a set of servers locally and a couple of servers I'm monitoring via internet and I'm trying to display all of them on the netowrk map.
[14-Apr-2011 11:09:14] <rmatte> coolhp: that network map isn't very good, I doubt it's possible
[14-Apr-2011 11:09:20] <rmatte> I personally don't even use that map
[14-Apr-2011 11:09:21] <nyeates> Jane has had questions on how to integrate with the new UI components of Zenoss 3. Anyone else had problems or confusion on any 3.0 related newness when deving ZPs?
[14-Apr-2011 11:09:32] <kokey> I only used the map as a toy in the beginning
[14-Apr-2011 11:09:39] <kokey> it's fun
[14-Apr-2011 11:09:45] <kokey> but as useful as all the other mapping tools
[14-Apr-2011 11:09:57] <rmatte> yeh
[14-Apr-2011 11:10:11] <Simon4> nyeates: the information I'm really going to need is how to drive the new UI, so Jane's questions will most likely cover it
[14-Apr-2011 11:10:16] <rmatte> well, the google maps display is nice... but only if your network is IPd a certain way
[14-Apr-2011 11:10:59] <kokey> if only our devices had 3G/GSM receivers in them, i think it will be a long time before we get location data in for 300 devices
[14-Apr-2011 11:11:05] <kokey> but it will be a wicked map when it's done
[14-Apr-2011 11:12:31] <joko_> interesting, the load is much less after the last reboot and the clearing of the event table... not sure if thats related..
[14-Apr-2011 11:12:55] <nyeates> Simon4: What do you mean, how to "drive" the new UI? I talked with John Causey about it some the other night, and I understand its heavy on javascript. Do you need more definitions around the javascript? A better architectural understanding of how it all fits an works (diagram)? Examples? What would help most.
[14-Apr-2011 11:13:34] <Simon4> nyeates: probably a good diagram of how it fits together, and a worked example of some of the customisations possible
[14-Apr-2011 11:14:17] <Simon4> and sorry, "drive" in terms of "take data and display it using best practice coding"
[14-Apr-2011 11:14:22] <kokey> Simon4: finally going to upgrade? ;-)
[14-Apr-2011 11:14:36] <Simon4> kokey: I have two community zenpacks I need to upgrade
[14-Apr-2011 11:15:07] * Simon4 runs v3 for his network kit monitoring
[14-Apr-2011 11:15:55] <nyeates> Simon4: I am guessing you have already read the existing 3.0 ZP transition doc, yes? It is missing a good architectural diagram, which I can try to put together. I will see what resources we have for examples. Can you think of one you would like to see? (example I can think of: how to add a new menu item to the details pane of a device)
[14-Apr-2011 11:16:35] <joko_>
[14-Apr-2011 11:16:37] <kokey> nyeates: that would be a very nice example
[14-Apr-2011 11:17:00] <joko_> top - 10:15:52 up 20 min,  1 user,  load average: 2.73, 1.11, 0.52
[14-Apr-2011 11:17:01] <joko_> Tasks: 246 total,   1 running, 245 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
[14-Apr-2011 11:17:01] <joko_> Cpu(s):  0.0%us,  0.0%sy,  0.0%ni, 91.2%id,  8.8%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
[14-Apr-2011 11:17:01] <joko_> Mem:  10095748k total,  2165068k used,  7930680k free,    67892k buffers
[14-Apr-2011 11:17:02] <joko_> Swap:  2031608k total,        0k used,  2031608k free,   672076k cached
[14-Apr-2011 11:17:07] <joko_> then it crashed
[14-Apr-2011 11:17:27] <joko_> i guess i don't see an issue with memory not being free?
[14-Apr-2011 11:17:51] <kells> joko_: What exactly crashed?
[14-Apr-2011 11:17:55] <Sam-I-Am> more like eventually it writes to bad memory
[14-Apr-2011 11:17:57] <nyeates> ok kokey
[14-Apr-2011 11:17:59] <Sam-I-Am> or reads
[14-Apr-2011 11:18:02] <Simon4> nyeates: I read it ages ago and should probably re-read it. My main things are modifying the component grid(?) to display custom component details as my zenpacks used to create new tabs with templated display tables, which doesn't work at all in v3
[14-Apr-2011 11:18:27] <joko_> well, all i raelly get is a 'kjournald' error on the console, it also mentioned python.bin and mysqld
[14-Apr-2011 11:18:40] <kells> The component grid stuff is updating the JS for the one device.
[14-Apr-2011 11:19:11] <kells> If you look at the configure.zcml, there should be a definition that describes the 'weight' of how serious to take the JS for a particular device class.
[14-Apr-2011 11:19:18] <kells> I'll see if I can find a quick example.
[14-Apr-2011 11:20:44] <nyeates> hi jane, i am asking about ZP 3.0 dev info...Simon is giving me some info about what we need to provide
[14-Apr-2011 11:22:00] <kells>   <browser:viewlet      name="js-myzenpack"      paths="/++resource++storage/js/HardDisk.js"      weight="10"
[14-Apr-2011 11:22:01] <kells>       for=".myzenpackSpecialDevice.Device"
[14-Apr-2011 11:22:01] <kells>       manager="Products.ZenUI3.browser.interfaces.IHeadExtraManager"
[14-Apr-2011 11:22:01] <kells>     
[14-Apr-2011 11:22:01] <kells>       permission="zope2.Public"
[14-Apr-2011 11:22:02] <kells>       />
[14-Apr-2011 11:22:33] <kells> Anything inside of the info.py file is fair game to be displayed.
[14-Apr-2011 11:22:40] <Sam-I-Am> joko_: kjournald is the daemon which handles at least ext3 journaling
[14-Apr-2011 11:23:08] <kells> It gets kicked up into the JS layer, which becomes  a matter of copy-n-pasting and twiddling.
[14-Apr-2011 11:23:20] <joko_> Sam-I-Am: yeah, i did a little research, but i have very little as far as error messages to go on
[14-Apr-2011 11:23:28] <Simon4> kells: yeah, that stuff, but explained to idiots like me
[14-Apr-2011 11:24:10] <Sam-I-Am> joko_: things write to disk.  kjournald passes all of that data if you're using a journaling FS.  if kjournald hits bad memory and sees corruption, stuff breaks.
[14-Apr-2011 11:24:32] <Jane_Curry> sorry - coming in late here....
[14-Apr-2011 11:24:44] <joko_> im gonna run memtest in a minute, but i still don't think it's memory, i HOPE i'm wrong thop
[14-Apr-2011 11:24:51] <Jane_Curry> You say "Simon is giving me some info about what we need to provide....
[14-Apr-2011 11:24:53] <Sam-I-Am> joko_: could be any part of the hardware
[14-Apr-2011 11:25:07] <Jane_Curry> Simon - have you got my updated ZenPack doc??
[14-Apr-2011 11:25:15] <Sam-I-Am> joko_: cache, memory, something wrong with the bus, disk i/o controller
[14-Apr-2011 11:25:27] <Sam-I-Am> joko_: but it does not seem to be a software problem
[14-Apr-2011 11:25:27] <Simon4> Jane_Curry: no - my other comment to nyeats was that my questions are probably answered by your doc when it's done
[14-Apr-2011 11:25:29] <Jane_Curry> I have been very disappointed that there has been virtually no comment on that
[14-Apr-2011 11:26:05] * Simon4 doesn't spend any time on the forums, so may have missed such things :/
[14-Apr-2011 11:26:13] <Sam-I-Am> i dont forum much either for some reason
[14-Apr-2011 11:26:18] <nyeates> and Jane, we are hearing this, especially me. I am continuing to push to get this reviewed. I am pushing it to my boss and some devs are pushing it to their boss.
[14-Apr-2011 11:26:18] <Sam-I-Am> mostly in here
[14-Apr-2011 11:26:21] <kokey> I also don't go on the forums
[14-Apr-2011 11:26:35] <kokey> I find it slow and search doesn't work
[14-Apr-2011 11:26:36] <joko_> Sam-I-Am: alright, i'll try to run some more intrusive hardware tests, appreciate it
[14-Apr-2011 11:26:39] <davetoo> pushing to get what reviewed?
[14-Apr-2011 11:26:55] <nyeates> community discussion and reivew might be nice too :-)
[14-Apr-2011 11:27:04] <nyeates> Janes doc on ZP deving
[14-Apr-2011 11:27:12] <nyeates> updated for 3.0'ness
[14-Apr-2011 11:27:16] <Jane_Curry> The ZenPack doc definitely needs review by Zenoss but, come on guys, this is open source, the community should be weighing in too!
[14-Apr-2011 11:27:24] <davetoo> ah
[14-Apr-2011 11:27:56] <Simon4> Jane_Curry: link to said doc?
[14-Apr-2011 11:28:00] <Sam-I-Am> kokey: i have no problems using them
[14-Apr-2011 11:28:15] <Simon4> us rowdy IRC types seem to be removed from the forum life
[14-Apr-2011 11:28:16] <Jane_Curry> The doc is "done" to the extent that it is a complete draft - if no-one has issues with it, then it's done
[14-Apr-2011 11:28:37] <nyeates> docs/DOC-10268
[14-Apr-2011 11:28:54] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: i think i answered something for johnnynoc there once
[14-Apr-2011 11:29:02] <Sam-I-Am> i should frequent it more... stuff lasts longer
[14-Apr-2011 11:29:11] <Jane_Curry> Creating Zenoss ZenPacks updated for V3 - docs/DOC-10268
[14-Apr-2011 11:29:26] <nyeates> That is the link every ZP dev should be putting on their to read list
[14-Apr-2011 11:30:12] * Simon4 adds a to-do to read/comment, I'll do it over the weekend
[14-Apr-2011 11:30:42] <davetoo> hmm
[14-Apr-2011 11:31:06] <davetoo> my download was corrupt
[14-Apr-2011 11:31:19] <davetoo> and same with the second try.
[14-Apr-2011 11:31:30] <davetoo> Can somebody check/download it?
[14-Apr-2011 11:32:05] <rocket> it opened fine on my linux machine
[14-Apr-2011 11:32:19] <davetoo> ok it's probably Microsoft's fault.
[14-Apr-2011 11:32:39] <davetoo> I don't let them reboot my machine on updates
[14-Apr-2011 11:32:49] <davetoo> so they probably broke something with their patches.
[14-Apr-2011 11:32:50] <davetoo> feh.
[14-Apr-2011 11:33:06] <Jane_Curry> If you're having trouble downloading it, send me an email jane.curry@skills-1st.co.uk and I'll email a copy
[14-Apr-2011 11:33:19] <nyeates> servlet/JiveServlet/download/10268-5-3478/zenpacks3-v201101.pdf
[14-Apr-2011 11:33:21] <davetoo> I probably just need to reboot this system.
[14-Apr-2011 11:33:24] <nyeates> direct link help?
[14-Apr-2011 11:33:34] <kells> \
[14-Apr-2011 11:33:54] <davetoo> no, MS has messed up a library or something that Acrobat needs.
[14-Apr-2011 11:34:09] <davetoo> I'll just have to reboot after this session is over.
[14-Apr-2011 11:34:56] <nyeates> Simon4: was kells able to answer any initial question about the component grid stuff? It obviously need a deeper dive, but anything we can answer now?
[14-Apr-2011 11:35:49] <Simon4> nyeates: nothing now sadly as I haven't had time to go try, mainly put off by the fact that it was so different
[14-Apr-2011 11:36:13] <Simon4> there's a bunch of v3 zenpacks now, so I can probably reverse engineer those to find out what I need to + read Janes doc, but I'll certainly let you know of missing things
[14-Apr-2011 11:37:01] <nyeates> ok cool, yeah like I said, john gave me some good overview and Ill try to make a nice diagram so that new 3.0 devs can understand the pieces of the new GUI stuff
[14-Apr-2011 11:37:15] <Simon4> awesome thanks
[14-Apr-2011 11:37:27] <nyeates> jane: youve got a few devs at yer disposal...ask any ZP 3 questions now
[14-Apr-2011 11:37:42] <davetoo> I suppose I need to learn some javascript RSN
[14-Apr-2011 11:38:08] <Jane_Curry> AAArrgghhhhh!  Had one of those fortnights I don't really have my ZenPack brain in today....
[14-Apr-2011 11:38:16] <davetoo> How do you test that stuff? Selenium?
[14-Apr-2011 11:38:20] <Jane_Curry> One thought though......
[14-Apr-2011 11:38:48] <Jane_Curry> If I wanted to modify / add fields to a device's Overview panel, how would I do that????
[14-Apr-2011 11:39:28] <kells> Assuming that you have a custom JS file (copy and paste from an existing one), then anything that is in the info.py can be directly used by the new JS.
[14-Apr-2011 11:40:00] <kells> The JS needs to be registered using the configure.zcml stutff (see the junk I posted above), and then it should be ready to go.
[14-Apr-2011 11:40:29] <kells> As an example of something simple, look at the VirtualHostMonitor zenpack, and the EsxTop zenpack.
[14-Apr-2011 11:40:43] <nyeates> not selenium our QA guy says, its on their list to do.... right now they do testing manually and have a ticket systems
[14-Apr-2011 11:40:44] <kells> The EsxTop zenpack overrides some of the things from the VirtualHostMonitor zenpack.
[14-Apr-2011 11:40:53] <kells> XenMonitor does something similar
[14-Apr-2011 11:41:01] <Jane_Curry> Is there a single file somewhere that does the Overview panel?  Are you suggesting I should copy that and modify it?
[14-Apr-2011 11:41:33] <Jane_Curry> If so, what happens on upgrades if I modify a standard overview file?
[14-Apr-2011 11:42:11] <davetoo> nyeates: *nod*
[14-Apr-2011 11:42:27] <kells> Overview panel?
[14-Apr-2011 11:42:56] <kells> Like the device overview panel?
[14-Apr-2011 11:43:41] <kells> I mean, like the 'Infrastructure Device panel' or the 'Device specfic overview panel' or ...?
[14-Apr-2011 11:44:01] <kells> Generally, our UI consultant has told us not to touch it for specific zenpacks
[14-Apr-2011 11:44:01] <jcausey> @jane -- Products/ZenUI3/browser/resources/js/zenoss/DeviceOverviewPanel.js is where the device overview page is contained -- like kells was saying, you register another JS file in your zenpack , and hook into the components via JS calls
[14-Apr-2011 11:44:41] <davetoo> "for specific zenpacks"?
[14-Apr-2011 11:45:01] <davetoo> kells: do you mean "don't customize it in any zenpack"?
[14-Apr-2011 11:45:14] <kells> Every custom override of that page makes our UI consultant cry and increases her billing rate
[14-Apr-2011 11:45:22] <davetoo> hah!
[14-Apr-2011 11:45:38] <davetoo> Designers.  Can't live with them.....
[14-Apr-2011 11:45:50] <kells> The device overview can be overridden (I'm sure), but I'm mostly familiar with the component level stuff.
[14-Apr-2011 11:46:05] <kells> Might need to switch from viewlet to the other browser:xxx call
[14-Apr-2011 11:46:07] <rocket> @jane you do not want to be modifying default files etc .. you definately want to hook into the components
[14-Apr-2011 11:46:17] <rocket> @jane otherwise its not upgrade safe ...
[14-Apr-2011 11:46:25] <davetoo> I want to make an Eclipse RCP interface for Zenoss
[14-Apr-2011 11:47:28] <Sashness> lol @davetoo
[14-Apr-2011 11:47:34] <davetoo> I saw in the SVN archive before it was reorganized that somebody had added pymock or one of the other python mocking frameworks.  Who's using that?
[14-Apr-2011 11:47:36] <kells> The configure.zcml glory should take care of the upgrade path stuff, but yes, upgrades might do something dastardly too
[14-Apr-2011 11:48:37] <kells> IIRC, the mocks are only being used for the unit tests.
[14-Apr-2011 11:48:59] <kells> .... assuming I'm thinking of what you're talking about.
[14-Apr-2011 11:49:00] <davetoo> right, I'm just thinking about how much can be decoupled from Zope
[14-Apr-2011 11:49:02] <davetoo> yes
[14-Apr-2011 11:49:15] <Jane_Curry> OK - so if I want to modify DeviceOverviewPanel.js can I copy it to my ZenPack na dmodify it and that is the one that gets picked up,
[14-Apr-2011 11:49:17] <davetoo> I'm thinking of unit test suites for Zenpacks
[14-Apr-2011 11:49:37] <Jane_Curry> or do aI now have a weepy consultant over my shoulder????
[14-Apr-2011 11:49:38] <kells> IIRC, ZenVMware is using it.  There might be others.
[14-Apr-2011 11:49:46] <Jane_Curry> More to the point, does it work?
[14-Apr-2011 11:49:52] <Jane_Curry> Will it break on upgrade?
[14-Apr-2011 11:49:53] <kells> Jane: if the configure.zcml is set up correctly, that should work
[14-Apr-2011 11:50:39] <kells> It will work fine on any upgrade so long as we (Zenoss) don't break any of the underlying stuff used by the overview.
[14-Apr-2011 11:51:01] <Jane_Curry> Oh good
[14-Apr-2011 11:51:15] <Jane_Curry> Must find time to get back to this stuff...................
[14-Apr-2011 11:51:19] <kells> Of course, if we add some new stuff, you won't know about it, though.
[14-Apr-2011 11:51:32] <Jane_Curry> C'est la vie!
[14-Apr-2011 11:51:57] <davetoo> diff(1) ftw!
[14-Apr-2011 11:54:36] <davetoo> how's the weather in Austin?
[14-Apr-2011 11:55:26] <kells> I'm in Toronto, so I wouldn't know
[14-Apr-2011 11:56:26] <davetoo> kells: are you an Eclipse-er?
[14-Apr-2011 11:56:45] <themactech> my condolences about the maple leafs...
[14-Apr-2011 11:56:46] <kells> They recently upgraded my life to pycharm
[14-Apr-2011 11:56:48] <kells> Life is good
[14-Apr-2011 11:56:51] <kells> Ha!
[14-Apr-2011 11:57:02] <davetoo> hmm.. don't know of pycharm yet.
[14-Apr-2011 11:57:06] * Simon4 likes pycharm
[14-Apr-2011 11:57:15] <kells> The refactoring is really good.
[14-Apr-2011 11:57:34] <kells> My only dislike is that they don't handle going over to remote machines very well
[14-Apr-2011 11:58:34] <kells> The refactoring stuff helped tremendously in converting over the daemons to the collector framework.
[14-Apr-2011 11:58:54] <davetoo> I think I've *finally* gotten a truly working interpreter/zope libarary setup working for Eclipse.  I just make a complete copy and modify the sitecusomize.py
[14-Apr-2011 11:59:00] <davetoo> (or maybe it was site.py)
[14-Apr-2011 11:59:10] <davetoo> ... not to need $ZENHOME
[14-Apr-2011 11:59:33] <kells> I've got another meeting now, so I'm going to have to bail
[14-Apr-2011 11:59:33] <davetoo> I haven't used any refactoring tools
[14-Apr-2011 11:59:39] <davetoo> thanks
[14-Apr-2011 12:00:00] <davetoo> I'm going to reboot.  bbl.
[14-Apr-2011 12:00:29] <nyeates> I think that will mark the end of this dev meeting....thanks ALL!
[14-Apr-2011 12:01:02] <nyeates> Be sure to send any more ZenPack dev for 3.0 feedback my way - community@zenoss.com
[14-Apr-2011 12:01:10] <Simon4> thanks guys
[14-Apr-2011 12:03:06] <Jane_Curry> Quick question on different topic......
[14-Apr-2011 12:03:31] <Jane_Curry> Has anyone crafted rrd commands and rrdgraph command swith Zenoss to store detailed data for 21 year
[14-Apr-2011 12:03:44] <Jane_Curry> sorry - that should have been 1 year - not 21 years!
[14-Apr-2011 12:04:25] <Jane_Curry> I have the rrdcreate working but I've only just set it up so don't have significant data to test the graphing yet.
[14-Apr-2011 12:05:23] <Jane_Curry> For info, I used CPUIdle as the variable; the standard rrd file is about 35KB and mine keeping detailed AVERAGE and MAX data for 366 days was 1.7MB
[14-Apr-2011 12:05:36] <nyeates> well, 21 at 5 minutes intervals years would require approximately 5 terrabytes of RAIDED discs..... (joke)
[14-Apr-2011 12:08:24] <nyeates> ive not done this jane, anyeone else? I am surprised that the file is only 1.7 Megs - amazing technology rrd format is
[14-Apr-2011 12:09:18] <Jane_Curry> yeh - I expected it to be bigger.  I was hoping someone else would have been there.....
[14-Apr-2011 12:09:31] <kokey> i like RRD files
[14-Apr-2011 12:09:47] <Jane_Curry> I got a response to my forum question with someone who was keeping a month of detailed data and it seemed to be working
[14-Apr-2011 12:10:01] <kokey> last job I built a nagios system that updated 120,000 RRD files and it ran nicely on a pizza box with lots of graph interfaces hitting it
[14-Apr-2011 12:10:48] <nyeates> kokey: must have had some massively fast IO and discs?
[14-Apr-2011 12:10:50] <Jane_Curry> BTW - if anyone here is in Europe, there is a FREE open source conference in Antwerp this weekend - http://www.loadays.org/program/schedule
[14-Apr-2011 12:11:08] <Jane_Curry> I am doing a 2 hour tutorial on getting started with Zenoss
[14-Apr-2011 12:11:22] <nyeates> nice jane, enjoy!
[14-Apr-2011 12:11:34] <kokey> nyeates: old HP DL360 G4 server with the two drives in RAID 1, IO wasn't that high
[14-Apr-2011 12:12:00] <kokey> had a perl script doing the updates, and reads
[14-Apr-2011 12:22:48] <davetoo> ok, Jane's PDF opens fine now after a reboot.
[14-Apr-2011 12:23:01] <davetoo> Yay Windows!
[14-Apr-2011 12:24:50] <kokey> is there a simple way to create a zendmd script that can be triggered through the web?
[14-Apr-2011 12:25:20] <kokey> for example, i want to write one that lists the devices in a system
[14-Apr-2011 12:25:49] <kokey> and i want a script on another server to run that and get the output
[14-Apr-2011 12:26:02] <kokey> over https using curl instead of setting up ssh keys
[14-Apr-2011 12:32:18] <davetoo> There was an explicit example of doing that somewhere.
[14-Apr-2011 12:32:26] <davetoo> Using the Zope Management Interface.
[14-Apr-2011 12:33:18] <davetoo> oh, wait,
[14-Apr-2011 12:33:47] <davetoo> what you're asking sounds more like a Nagios Plugin over SSL
[14-Apr-2011 12:34:08] <kokey> don't know
[14-Apr-2011 12:34:20] <kokey> i just want to expose some zendmd output over HTTP
[14-Apr-2011 12:34:37] <davetoo> oh, sorry, I mis-read.
[14-Apr-2011 12:34:40] <kokey> i mean i could do something weird like have a cron job dump the file to an http location
[14-Apr-2011 12:35:35] <davetoo> I don't know how to do SSL with Zope, but there was an example of doing pretty much what you're asking, using the ZMI to add it to Zope, for zenoss 2.5.x
[14-Apr-2011 12:35:50] <davetoo> Search for those kind of keywords
[14-Apr-2011 12:35:56] <kokey> ok
[14-Apr-2011 12:36:02] <kokey> scratch the SSL part
[14-Apr-2011 12:36:09] <kokey> i already have that
[14-Apr-2011 12:36:22] <kokey> sorry, i'm being confusing
[14-Apr-2011 12:36:40] <kokey> i already have zenoss available over http and https by putting it behind an apache reverse proxy
[14-Apr-2011 12:37:09] <kokey> want i want to be able is have something akin to a CGI script, but a zendmd one
[14-Apr-2011 12:37:11] <davetoo> *nod*
[14-Apr-2011 12:37:17] <kokey> or perhaps a script deployed in zope to do that
[14-Apr-2011 12:37:17] <joko_> hmm
[14-Apr-2011 12:37:17] <davetoo> yeah, I understand,
[14-Apr-2011 12:37:45] <kokey> perhaps I can just stick a python file somewhere and it can do that
[14-Apr-2011 12:37:46] <davetoo> and I don't really have time to go searching for it now, but if I recall correctly that's pretty much exactly what that article I found was about.
[14-Apr-2011 12:37:52] <kokey> ah ok
[14-Apr-2011 12:38:02] <kokey> i'll google a bit
[14-Apr-2011 12:48:33] <rmatte> hmmm, I'm surprised there's no community CheckPoint Firewall ZenPack lol, guess I'll have to make one
[14-Apr-2011 12:48:41] <Sam-I-Am> mehhh what a day
[14-Apr-2011 12:48:49] <Sam-I-Am> putting out fires all week, actually
[14-Apr-2011 12:48:54] <rmatte> fun fun
[14-Apr-2011 12:48:56] <Sam-I-Am> none with zenoss though
[14-Apr-2011 12:50:30] <rmatte> does anyone in here have any SNMP enabled HP MSAs running?
[14-Apr-2011 12:50:45] <Sam-I-Am> msa?
[14-Apr-2011 12:50:51] <rmatte> it's a type of SAN
[14-Apr-2011 12:51:41] <rmatte> I'm developing a pack for it, but I only have 2 models to test with... want to get SNMP output from other models to make sure they all follow the same general layout for their snmp (as they appear to)
[14-Apr-2011 12:51:50] <Sam-I-Am> oh, none of that here
[14-Apr-2011 12:52:01] <rmatte>
[14-Apr-2011 12:52:50] <citrusfizz> where is    "Inherit Value "No" from Services"
[14-Apr-2011 12:52:56] <citrusfizz> defined?
[14-Apr-2011 12:53:04] <citrusfizz> where is "services"
[14-Apr-2011 12:53:20] <rmatte> That's just saying that it's inheriting the "No" value since that's what's set as the default for services
[14-Apr-2011 12:53:36] <rmatte> you want to know where to actually set that at the services level?
[14-Apr-2011 12:53:49] <citrusfizz> yes
[14-Apr-2011 12:54:06] <citrusfizz> please
[14-Apr-2011 12:54:22] <rmatte> Infrastructure -> Windows Services...
[14-Apr-2011 12:54:48] <rmatte> just select "Set Local Value", and change it to Yes
[14-Apr-2011 12:54:55] <rmatte> that will enable monitoring of all windows services
[14-Apr-2011 12:55:55] <rmatte> alright, I've got a meeting to go to
[14-Apr-2011 12:55:55] <rmatte> later
[14-Apr-2011 13:05:02] <citrusfizz> Thanks
[14-Apr-2011 13:07:41] <citrusfizz> are the windows services only monitored with WMI?
[14-Apr-2011 13:08:07] <citrusfizz> i just noticed all my servers with wmi off don't report the windows services
[14-Apr-2011 13:26:08] <joko_> hmmph
[14-Apr-2011 13:26:12] <joko_> memtest was fine..
[14-Apr-2011 13:26:58] <joko_> zenoss 2.5.2 on vmware esx... okay? or no'kay?
[14-Apr-2011 13:31:43] <nyeates> anyone use mdadm for software raid?
[14-Apr-2011 13:33:04] <nyeates> joko, 2.5.2 on esx is okay if you know what you are doing. Assure that limits are not in place on RAM or CPU contention that will not give your machine the resources it needs it times of peak and IO load
[14-Apr-2011 13:33:39] <joko_> alright, hate to go that route, but im out of options
[14-Apr-2011 13:34:29] <davetoo> I would worry about RRD disk I/O
[14-Apr-2011 13:35:02] <joko_> considering the box i have keeps hanging, and i can't find anything particularly wrong with it
[14-Apr-2011 13:35:03] <joko_> :\
[14-Apr-2011 13:35:08] <joko_> bah!
[14-Apr-2011 13:36:51] <nyeates> look for bottlenecks on the graphs that esx provides for the guest and host
[14-Apr-2011 13:36:59] <nyeates> and esx storage
[14-Apr-2011 13:37:12] <nyeates> also do the same thiong on the zenoss box
[14-Apr-2011 13:37:30] <nyeates> basiucally, first find the bottleneck, do nothing until them cause othewise u are shooting in the dark
[14-Apr-2011 13:37:49] <joko_> yea
[14-Apr-2011 13:38:12] <davetoo> I figured out how to mount a root volume noatime,data=writeback
[14-Apr-2011 13:38:22] <joko_> yeah, i tried that
[14-Apr-2011 13:38:34] <davetoo> which is probably a bad idea, but it was just for a test VM
[14-Apr-2011 13:38:37] <joko_> with the physical box i have now that keeps dumping on me
[14-Apr-2011 13:38:51] <joko_> pos
[14-Apr-2011 13:39:21] <davetoo> I wouldn't do that on a Production system; I also wouldn't have /opt/zenoss on the root volume.
[14-Apr-2011 13:39:32] <davetoo> or /usr/local/zenoss or whatever
[14-Apr-2011 13:39:41] <davetoo> (Debian is weird)
[14-Apr-2011 13:40:09] <joko_> so, question...
[14-Apr-2011 13:41:04] <joko_> i have a 2.5.2 backup --- i'd like to get on 3.1.0 soon-ish.... my 2.5.2 system is dead and now I'm looking at building a new RHEL5 vm with 2.5.2 and restoring the backup
[14-Apr-2011 13:41:09] <joko_> any better options?
[14-Apr-2011 13:41:14] <citrusfizz> anyone know why zenoss isn't seeing the IP service of ms-sql on one of my boxes but can see https http and others just fine?    ms-sql 1433 is running and i can telnet to it from the zenoss box..  i need to monitor that port
[14-Apr-2011 13:41:57] <jmp242> I haven't been able to figure out why sometimes the modeler doesn't see an IP service on a particular server
[14-Apr-2011 13:42:13] <jmp242> I've been chasing down SMTP on a server myself - but no one really seems to know
[14-Apr-2011 13:42:21] <citrusfizz> wtf...
[14-Apr-2011 13:42:23] <jmp242> I wish I had time to go at it with the devs this morning, but I didn't
[14-Apr-2011 13:42:40] <jmp242> There's no logs that have useful info that I've been able to see
[14-Apr-2011 13:42:45] <jmp242> even with debug of course
[14-Apr-2011 13:42:56] <jmp242> I may have to slap a packet capture on it at some point
[14-Apr-2011 13:43:11] <jmp242> or try going into the code
[14-Apr-2011 13:43:55] <citrusfizz> its not really a paticular server in my case tho.. i have 5 mssql servers all being monitored with zenoss  and zenoss doesn't pick up any of  them for ms-sql
[14-Apr-2011 13:44:22] <jmp242> mmm - did you add a service @ port 1433?
[14-Apr-2011 13:44:32] <jmp242> i.e. try manually adding it to the IP Service list
[14-Apr-2011 13:44:44] <jmp242> and the doing a model?
[14-Apr-2011 13:45:08] <citrusfizz> ok i will try that
[14-Apr-2011 13:45:45] <jmp242> Otherwise, I still think the issue is the same - or at least for us it is
[14-Apr-2011 13:45:54] <citrusfizz> do i need to put anythign in the send string or service keys boxes?
[14-Apr-2011 13:46:00] <jmp242> we don't know how to find problems in the auto model
[14-Apr-2011 13:46:05] <jmp242> for IP services
[14-Apr-2011 13:46:15] <jmp242> Umm I don't think so
[14-Apr-2011 13:46:48] <jmp242> Service keys look like:
[14-Apr-2011 13:46:48] <jmp242> 1ci-smcs,tcp_03091,udp_03091
[14-Apr-2011 13:47:04] <jmp242> which seems to be how to map a tcp port to a display name
[14-Apr-2011 13:47:14] <jmp242> so if it does work, you might get tcp_1433
[14-Apr-2011 13:47:28] <jmp242> as the name, but with the service keys you could have that in there and name it MSSQL for instance
[14-Apr-2011 13:47:36] <jmp242> this is just a guess on my part though
[14-Apr-2011 13:49:26] <citrusfizz> how can this issue go unfixed for so long
[14-Apr-2011 13:49:47] <citrusfizz> yeah setting it manually didn't work
[14-Apr-2011 14:01:34] <jmp242> I assume it just doesn't come up much
[14-Apr-2011 14:01:42] <jmp242> so it may not be easy to repro in house for Zenoss
[14-Apr-2011 14:01:56] <jmp242> There doesn't seem to be any commonality to when it occurs
[14-Apr-2011 14:02:11] <jmp242> You have it on a Windows server, I have it on one ancient VMS server, I've seen it for Linux etc
[14-Apr-2011 14:02:18] <jmp242> but most of the time it's all fine citrusfizz
[14-Apr-2011 14:02:49] <jmp242> and I can't see how I could usefully open a ticket either
[14-Apr-2011 14:02:50] <citrusfizz> must be the way it scans some open tcp ports
[14-Apr-2011 14:02:55] <jmp242> cause I have no info
[14-Apr-2011 14:03:02] <citrusfizz> but if it uses nmap i can't see there being an issue
[14-Apr-2011 14:03:03] <jmp242> I thought it used something like NMAP
[14-Apr-2011 14:03:52] <citrusfizz> if it used its own port detection i could maybe see a bug.
[14-Apr-2011 14:04:02] <citrusfizz> its not just for one server its for all my MSSQL servers
[14-Apr-2011 14:04:03] <jmp242> I think it does
[14-Apr-2011 14:04:04] <citrusfizz> just doesn't see it
[14-Apr-2011 14:04:06] <citrusfizz>
[14-Apr-2011 14:05:18] <jmp242> looks like nmap though
[14-Apr-2011 14:05:19] <jmp242> see
[14-Apr-2011 14:05:20] <jmp242> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.monitoring.zenoss.user/41619
[14-Apr-2011 14:14:46] <joko_> hmm
[14-Apr-2011 14:17:26] <Simon4> Jane_Curry: don't know if you're about but your guide is excellent
[14-Apr-2011 14:20:36] <jmp242> citrusfizz: if it does use nmap as claimed in that thread
[14-Apr-2011 14:20:45] <jmp242> I don't know why it wouldn't pick up a IP service
[14-Apr-2011 14:20:52] <jmp242> unless there's a bug in parsing the nmap output
[14-Apr-2011 14:21:01] <citrusfizz> exactly
[14-Apr-2011 14:21:04] <jmp242> I just tested straight nmap from my zenoss server
[14-Apr-2011 14:21:13] <jmp242> and it DID see the missing IP service on my problem VMS server
[14-Apr-2011 14:22:27] <Simon4> jmp242: are you using the nmap ip service modeller?
[14-Apr-2011 14:22:34] <jmp242> Hmmm
[14-Apr-2011 14:22:39] <jmp242> I'm not really sure
[14-Apr-2011 14:22:43] <jmp242> I'm using the built in one
[14-Apr-2011 14:22:49] <jmp242> just trying to debug it a bit
[14-Apr-2011 14:22:58] <Simon4> the default one doesn't use nmap, it attempts to walk the snmp table for listening ports
[14-Apr-2011 14:23:04] <Simon4> you can change it to use nmap though
[14-Apr-2011 14:23:09] <jmp242> ah ha!
[14-Apr-2011 14:23:13] <jmp242> I was just reading the code here
[14-Apr-2011 14:23:23] <jmp242> so it's probably an SNMP table problem
[14-Apr-2011 14:23:23] <Simon4> I've found on boxes with dual-stack (ipv4 and v6) the snmp isn't all that reliable
[14-Apr-2011 14:23:29] <jmp242> or on VMS
[14-Apr-2011 14:23:32] <jmp242> lol
[14-Apr-2011 14:23:34] <Simon4> indeed
[14-Apr-2011 14:23:49] <Simon4> so under configuration properties for the device or device class, check out "collector plugins
[14-Apr-2011 14:23:49] <jmp242> what OID is it looking at in the SNMP table though?
[14-Apr-2011 14:23:58] <jmp242> oh, and change over to nmap
[14-Apr-2011 14:24:01] <Simon4> yeah
[14-Apr-2011 14:24:17] <Simon4> from memory you need to symlink the nmap binary into $ZENHOME/libexec so it can find it
[14-Apr-2011 14:24:17] <jmp242> Almost seems like it should be the default?
[14-Apr-2011 14:24:33] <Simon4> the snmp stuff works pretty well on linux, but we use nmap for a bunch of devices
[14-Apr-2011 14:24:40] <davetoo> nmap can be dangerous
[14-Apr-2011 14:24:49] <jmp242> do go on
[14-Apr-2011 14:24:54] <Simon4> snmp can fail as it exposes listening ports that may not be listening on interfaces that the zenoss host can see
[14-Apr-2011 14:24:54] <davetoo> Many daemons and operating systems still react poorly to nmap scans
[14-Apr-2011 14:25:13] <davetoo> so I would test it carefully
[14-Apr-2011 14:25:23] <jmp242> ok...
[14-Apr-2011 14:25:29] <Simon4> there's also a config property that lets you tune the command-line options you use with nmap
[14-Apr-2011 14:25:37] <Simon4> so get something you are comfy with on the command-line and use that
[14-Apr-2011 14:25:54] <jmp242> I did a straight nmap scan and it was fine against my problem server
[14-Apr-2011 14:25:58] <jmp242> but hey - I'll check
[14-Apr-2011 14:27:30] <citrusfizz> i don't have a libexec in my $ZENHOME
[14-Apr-2011 14:27:32] <citrusfizz> whats up with that
[14-Apr-2011 14:27:46] <Simon4> citrusfizz: it may not be there by default, I can't remember
[14-Apr-2011 14:27:58] <Simon4> I just remember seeing the modeller whinge about nmap not being there when I ran it first time
[14-Apr-2011 14:28:57] <akafritz> hi folks!  i have a question about ignoring specific events.  is this the appropriate venue to get some help?
[14-Apr-2011 14:31:01] <davetoo> akafritz: yes
[14-Apr-2011 14:31:10] <davetoo> but not from me   It's been too long  since I've done it.
[14-Apr-2011 14:31:42] <akafritz> ok cool. what i'm looking to do is ignore high memory usage alerts for a specific host, without excluding it from monitoring altogether.  i found my way to this article and was wondering if i'm on the right track:  blogs/zenossblog/2010/03/24/tip-of-the-month-time-sensitive-event-transforms
[14-Apr-2011 14:32:31] <citrusfizz> i created the libexec dir and linked nmap in there.   i added the modeler plugin and modeled the device.   i went from 7 ip services to two..   this is backwards to what i was epecting
[14-Apr-2011 14:32:34] <Simon4> akafritz: you're totally on the correct track
[14-Apr-2011 14:33:03] <Simon4> citrusfizz: what does the output of nmap give you? more ip services?
[14-Apr-2011 14:33:15] <akafritz> so i assume i go into the event class for Memory, and add an eventclass mapping.  then add a regex or rule to match to the specific device and a transform to drop it?
[14-Apr-2011 14:33:31] <Simon4> exactly
[14-Apr-2011 14:33:35] <citrusfizz> yes
[14-Apr-2011 14:33:45] <citrusfizz> and it shows mssql
[14-Apr-2011 14:33:50] <citrusfizz> from command line
[14-Apr-2011 14:33:55] <citrusfizz> but not from zenoss
[14-Apr-2011 14:34:02] <akafritz> ok sweet.  now to figure out the expressions.  thanks very much
[14-Apr-2011 14:34:27] <citrusfizz> ok here we go
[14-Apr-2011 14:34:28] <Simon4> akafritz: if "devname" in evt.device:
[14-Apr-2011 14:34:30] <davetoo> akafritz: which Zenoss version?
[14-Apr-2011 14:34:32] <citrusfizz> from the modeler
[14-Apr-2011 14:34:36] <Simon4> evt._action = "drop"
[14-Apr-2011 14:34:39] <akafritz> 3.1
[14-Apr-2011 14:34:54] <akafritz> oh cool.  thats easy enough.
[14-Apr-2011 14:34:58] <davetoo> yeah, you don't need the regexp;
[14-Apr-2011 14:35:03] <citrusfizz> /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/libexec/nmap -p 1-1024 -sT --open -oG - 192.168.77.30
[14-Apr-2011 14:35:17] <citrusfizz> let me try that from command line
[14-Apr-2011 14:35:25] <citrusfizz> ahh yes
[14-Apr-2011 14:35:33] <Simon4> citrusfizz: have you defined the ip services that you care about? they won't be added to a device unless monitor=true for tehm
[14-Apr-2011 14:35:34] <citrusfizz> ok  so its because of those nmap option that is uses
[14-Apr-2011 14:35:36] <Simon4> them even
[14-Apr-2011 14:35:44] <Simon4> ah, that won't help either
[14-Apr-2011 14:36:48] <citrusfizz> so, on to the next task,  where does zenoss define those nmap options
[14-Apr-2011 14:37:14] <jmp242> well, by default I get
[14-Apr-2011 14:37:31] <jmp242> this Error in zenoss.nmap.IpServiceMap: got stderr: "/opt/zenoss/libexec/nmap: unrecognized option `--open'\n"
[14-Apr-2011 14:37:40] <jmp242> so citrusfizz look in configuration properties
[14-Apr-2011 14:37:49] <jmp242> zNmapPortscanOptions
[14-Apr-2011 14:37:57] <jmp242> and I suppose I have to fix this some how
[14-Apr-2011 14:38:14] <citrusfizz> thanks
[14-Apr-2011 14:38:38] <jmp242> I don't know where mine is getting the --open'\n'
[14-Apr-2011 14:38:48] <jmp242> default is -p 1-1024 -sT --open -oG - ${here/manageIp}
[14-Apr-2011 14:39:00] <jmp242> which shouldn't pass a newline I wouldn't thinl
[14-Apr-2011 14:39:18] <Simon4> jmp242: what happens if you pass "--open" to nmap on the cmdline?
[14-Apr-2011 14:39:25] <Simon4> looking at the quotes the 'n isn't included
[14-Apr-2011 14:39:29] <Simon4> \n even
[14-Apr-2011 14:39:47] <jmp242> nmap: unrecognized option `--open'
[14-Apr-2011 14:39:54] <jmp242> so I think I just pull that out
[14-Apr-2011 14:40:26] <davetoo> I wouldn't count on it parsing the output correctly without that.  It might, but ...
[14-Apr-2011 14:40:36] <davetoo> depending upon how careful the plugin author was
[14-Apr-2011 14:40:36] <citrusfizz> jmp242 must be your nmap version  mine works with that option
[14-Apr-2011 14:41:00] <jmp242> Yea
[14-Apr-2011 14:41:09] <jmp242> IDK it's just what's on SL5.5
[14-Apr-2011 14:41:18] <jmp242> RHEL derivatives can be a bit odd
[14-Apr-2011 14:41:29] <jmp242> but it works for me w/out the --open
[14-Apr-2011 14:41:35] <jmp242> and found my SMTP
[14-Apr-2011 14:41:49] <jmp242> I am a bit disappointed that this isn't more obvious - off to edit the FAQ
[14-Apr-2011 14:41:59] <jmp242> Thanks so much Simon4
[14-Apr-2011 14:42:04] <Simon4> no worries
[14-Apr-2011 14:42:07] <jmp242> I hadn't remembered I'd seen that in there before
[14-Apr-2011 14:42:34] <citrusfizz> jmp242: also note,  when using nmap it will only show the ports that are open that nmap can GET to ,  as opposed to snmp it will show (presumably) the ports open on the machine.   so in my case i have a firewall between zenoss and the server i was trying to get MSSQL    so i see mssql show now but other ports are gone (i don't care about the otherones anyways)
[14-Apr-2011 14:43:16] <davetoo> citrusfizz: you can influence that by telling zenoss which are the Local interfaces, I think.
[14-Apr-2011 14:43:33] <Simon4> citrusfizz: that's correct, but the "is it alive" checker on zenoss tries to connect to the port anyway
[14-Apr-2011 14:43:43] <Simon4> so if you're finding things that zenoss can't really see, it causes other issues
[14-Apr-2011 14:43:56] <jmp242> Right - that's expected
[14-Apr-2011 14:44:13] <jmp242> you really need no firewalls or great firewall config between Zenoss and servers you want to monitor
[14-Apr-2011 14:45:03] <citrusfizz> well the servers i am monitoring are at a datacenter far away.. i have a vpn setup but i still block ports from the office to the datacenter
[14-Apr-2011 14:45:33] <Simon4> citrusfizz: you could put a collector in the datacenter, then give it vpn access back to your master server in the office?
[14-Apr-2011 14:45:55] <citrusfizz> if i want to monitor a specific port i will just open it on the firewall  no big issue
[14-Apr-2011 14:46:19] <akafritz> hmm, one more question about this event class mapping to ignore high memory usage events.  what would be the correct event class key?  is it the eventKey specificed in the events that are occuring:  MemoryAvailableBytes_MemoryAvailableBytes
[14-Apr-2011 14:47:13] <citrusfizz> jmp242:  i found that the port range isn't sufficiant to include MSSQL 1433  so i put a zero at the end of the port range,   however when  i tested this from command line it took 30 seconds.  and taking out the port range all together was only 6 seconds.  but still returned 1433
[14-Apr-2011 14:50:19] <jmp242> right - if you don't specify a port, I believe nmap will use it's "dictionary" of ports
[14-Apr-2011 14:50:40] <jmp242> man nmap should explain the options a lot. As I just needed SMTP, I'm happy right now
[14-Apr-2011 14:51:07] <Simon4> for my nmap options I specify the ports I know I want to find, or very small ranges
[14-Apr-2011 14:51:10] <Simon4> keeps modelling fast
[14-Apr-2011 14:52:51] <citrusfizz> can the nmap.ipservicemap and the snmp.ipservicemap work together?
[14-Apr-2011 14:53:26] <Simon4> um
[14-Apr-2011 14:53:28] <Simon4> I doubt it
[14-Apr-2011 14:53:33] <Simon4> as one will clear out the other
[14-Apr-2011 14:53:44] <citrusfizz> i am just going to take it out then
[14-Apr-2011 14:55:04] <jmp242> docs/DOC-4724#Why_doesnt_Zenoss_see_my_IP_Service_like_SMTP
[14-Apr-2011 14:55:24] <jmp242> hopefully that is helpful, though I had 0 to really say about the third option of zenoss.portscan.IpServiceMap
[14-Apr-2011 15:13:22] <akafritz> eventclasskey MemoryAvailableBytes_MemoryAvailableBytes did not work.  in the event that is generated, eventClassKey is blank.  But I am unable to leave it blank in the EventClass Mappings
[14-Apr-2011 15:14:04] <akafritz> this is the transform
[14-Apr-2011 15:14:06] <akafritz> if 'tk2ewradm2' in evt.device:
[14-Apr-2011 15:14:06] <akafritz>     evt._action = 'drop'
[14-Apr-2011 15:14:08] <Simon4> akafritz: ah, you can apply the transform to the event class, not to the mapping
[14-Apr-2011 15:14:10] <Simon4> if that makes sense
[14-Apr-2011 15:14:21] <Simon4> you don't need a mapping here
[14-Apr-2011 15:14:29] <Simon4> this is a bit confusing in the UI for sure
[14-Apr-2011 15:15:33] <Simon4> just go to the event class that you want the transform in
[14-Apr-2011 15:15:45] <Simon4> then click the "gear" icon on the bottom left of the screen
[14-Apr-2011 15:15:49] <Simon4> and select "transform"
[14-Apr-2011 15:15:58] <Simon4> put the code you pasted i nthere and you're good to go
[14-Apr-2011 15:16:04] <akafritz> oh!
[14-Apr-2011 15:16:12] <Simon4> mappings put events into classes, and optionally transform them
[14-Apr-2011 15:16:20] <akafritz> there is already a bunch of code in there
[14-Apr-2011 15:16:28] <Simon4> setting a transform on a class will act on any events ending up in that class
[14-Apr-2011 15:16:42] <Simon4> just put yours at the very top, and make sure the indentation is the same
[14-Apr-2011 15:16:52] <akafritz> ok
[14-Apr-2011 15:16:59] <Simon4> the evt._action line will need to be indented slightly
[14-Apr-2011 15:17:49] <Simon4> not sure if you know any python, but the indentation is important to match
[14-Apr-2011 15:18:04] <akafritz> so i have learned.
[14-Apr-2011 15:19:50] <akafritz> so there is no way to do it with a mapping?  its nice to be able to see a list of exceptions that have been manually added, instead of looking at the code for the event class.  i don't care if the event ends up in a class, as long as i can transform it to be ignored.  or does the trigger happen when its assigned to the class, meaning it'll trigger before the transform can take place?
[14-Apr-2011 15:20:26] <Simon4> you can't do that with a mapping, since the event is being created into that class directly, not mapped to it
[14-Apr-2011 15:20:41] <akafritz> i see
[14-Apr-2011 15:21:13] <akafritz> am i going about this the best way, then?  trying to ignore a memory event for a specific device?
[14-Apr-2011 15:21:24] <Simon4> yeah, you are
[14-Apr-2011 15:21:28] <akafritz> ok cool
[14-Apr-2011 15:21:35] <akafritz> many thanks for your help.  i'll test this out now
[14-Apr-2011 15:21:36] <Simon4> it's a pain that the transforms aren't instantly visible, for sure
[14-Apr-2011 15:22:02] <Simon4> there was a zenpack ages ago that provided a "all event transforms" report
[14-Apr-2011 15:22:07] <akafritz> would be nice to have that.  or to be able to group rules in alerting rules
[14-Apr-2011 16:04:33] <gemineye> Anyone know why my Zenoss installs would say that they're at 3.1.0 and need to be upgraded?
[14-Apr-2011 16:10:22] <Simon4> hmm
[14-Apr-2011 16:10:32] <Simon4> 3.1.1 is on the way but certainly not out yet
[14-Apr-2011 16:11:27] <gemineye> Yeah, I have 3.1.0 highlited in red on both my Zenoss servers.
[14-Apr-2011 16:24:28] <joko_> did zenoss EVER make a proper 2.5 restore from backup document? i've never been able to find one
[14-Apr-2011 16:27:34] <joko_> i only find scattered ways others have done it
[14-Apr-2011 16:27:38] <joko_> none feel reliable
[14-Apr-2011 16:30:47] <Simon4> I've done it, but I modified zenbackup to take more backups than it did by default
[14-Apr-2011 16:40:25] <joko_> well, /me crosses fingers and toes
[14-Apr-2011 16:40:41] <joko_> PLEASE restore correctly.. installed all the zenpacks i had previously
[14-Apr-2011 16:46:28] * Simon4 found that by adding $ZENHOME/Products to the zenbackup script restores were reliable if the --zenpacks flag had been used
[14-Apr-2011 16:46:41] <Simon4> so you could just install the RPM then restore a backup
[14-Apr-2011 16:52:07] <gemineye> I just added a Windows 2003 server to be monitored and it's saying my username/password are wrong or aren't set in zWinPassword and zWinUser, but they are, and they're right. Any know why it might fail? The service is started.
[14-Apr-2011 16:52:35] <joko_> i wonder if 3.1 has a slightly better restore system
[14-Apr-2011 16:53:18] <joko_> you have the domain set?
[14-Apr-2011 16:53:32] <joko_> DOMAIN\user
[14-Apr-2011 16:54:40] <gemineye> The windows server isn't part of a domain
[14-Apr-2011 16:55:51] <Simon4> SERVERNAME\user
[14-Apr-2011 17:14:12] <JohnnyNoc> does anyone here use egors distributed collector zenpack?
[14-Apr-2011 17:14:47] <joko_> 5Dhmm
[14-Apr-2011 17:15:00] <joko_> the restore seems to have went OK -- zenhub just wont start now
[14-Apr-2011 17:18:12] <joko_> WARNING ZEO.zrpc: (8855) CW: error connecting to ('localhost', 8100): ECONNREFUSED
[14-Apr-2011 17:20:02] <JohnnyNoc> make sure zope is running
[14-Apr-2011 17:21:06] <joko_> yeah, it seems fine
[14-Apr-2011 17:21:18] <joko_> double checking tho
[14-Apr-2011 17:21:56] <joko_> [zenoss@KCZEN10 scripts]$ zopectl status
[14-Apr-2011 17:21:56] <joko_> program running; pid=8925
[14-Apr-2011 17:21:56] <joko_> [zenoss@KCZEN10 scripts]$ netstat -na | grep 8100
[14-Apr-2011 17:21:57] <joko_> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:8100              0.0.0.0:*                   LISTEN
[14-Apr-2011 17:22:12] <joko_> zenhub!!!!!!!!!! you bastard
[14-Apr-2011 17:24:02] <Sam-I-Am> do 'zenhub debug' and see if its happy
[14-Apr-2011 17:24:08] <Sam-I-Am> (also do all this as the zenoss user)
[14-Apr-2011 17:30:02] <joko_> so fuckin close
[14-Apr-2011 17:30:43] <joko_> AttributeError: 'ZenPack' object has no attribute '__of__'
[14-Apr-2011 17:30:49] <joko_> it appears to be related to zenpacks
[14-Apr-2011 17:31:21] <joko_> hmm
[14-Apr-2011 17:31:22] <joko_> or not
[14-Apr-2011 17:31:59] <joko_> too bad, because everything else seems to have restored perfectly
[14-Apr-2011 17:32:20] <joko_> im sure zenhub just needs to be smacked around some
[14-Apr-2011 17:35:18] <davetoo> I've seen that a couple of times before.  I should go track that one down.
[14-Apr-2011 17:35:55] <joko_> some say .zec files need to be removed, but thats not the case here
[14-Apr-2011 17:36:49] <joko_> YES!
[14-Apr-2011 17:37:00] <joko_> i was missing one zenpack from the backup/restore
[14-Apr-2011 17:37:05] <joko_> installed that
[14-Apr-2011 17:37:08] <joko_> and it started right up
[14-Apr-2011 17:37:35] <davetoo> so you're on a VM now?
[14-Apr-2011 17:37:44] <joko_> sadly, yes
[14-Apr-2011 17:37:53] <joko_> 12gb, and we'll monitor the performance
[14-Apr-2011 17:38:18] <davetoo> How many monitored systems?
[14-Apr-2011 17:38:43] <joko_> not too many, 400-ish at most i believe
[14-Apr-2011 17:38:46] <davetoo> Are you going to be able to replace the questionable hardware?
[14-Apr-2011 17:38:56] <joko_> not sure, ran memtest, came out fine
[14-Apr-2011 17:39:02] <joko_> must be something tho
[14-Apr-2011 17:39:53] <joko_> i appreciate everyones assistance in here tho, i love zenoss, i hate fighting with it like this
[14-Apr-2011 17:48:21] <joko_> good thing about a VM is i can try an upgrade without effecting the production system
[14-Apr-2011 17:48:47] <davetoo> yes
[14-Apr-2011 17:49:48] <joko_> well g'night all, time to get the hell out of here
[14-Apr-2011 17:51:09] <davetoo> bai
[14-Apr-2011 18:17:22] <moath> hey all, if you use remote collectors for monitoring will the remote collectors send out alerts in the event something has gone down or will you need a full zenoss stack to get alerts from remote sites?
[14-Apr-2011 18:20:02] <Sam-I-Am> the remote collectors dont send alerts
[14-Apr-2011 18:20:05] <Sam-I-Am> the hub does
[14-Apr-2011 18:21:53] <moath> Gotcha. So for doing multi datacenter monitoring you'd want to do two zenoss instances and probably cross monitor them
[14-Apr-2011 18:22:32] <Sam-I-Am> well, you could have a collector at each DC and which talks to one hub.
[14-Apr-2011 18:22:59] <Sam-I-Am> or separate zenoss instances of hub/collector combined at each DC
[14-Apr-2011 18:25:24] <moath> i'm thinking i'll do the latter
[14-Apr-2011 18:25:37] <moath> keep it simple
[14-Apr-2011 18:25:46] <moath> zenpack things up to keep stuff in sync
[14-Apr-2011 18:27:20] <Sam-I-Am> that works
[14-Apr-2011 18:27:49] <moath> Sam-I-Am: thanks!
[14-Apr-2011 19:05:47] <davetoo> moath: that will increase your management overhead somewhat, especially with respect to managing the events/alerts.
[14-Apr-2011 20:06:12] <Sam-I-Am> davetoo: i think rmatte does instance-per-customer, but they all talk to a single ticketing system
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[15-Apr-2011 03:25:37] <creamers> http://i52.tinypic.com/34fiu8o.jpg   can somewhone explain me how dhcp service component is effected by my own dhcp monitoring command template
[15-Apr-2011 03:25:40] <creamers> ?
[15-Apr-2011 05:53:24] <_TORNADO_> good morning!
[15-Apr-2011 05:54:08] <Simon4> oh hello
[15-Apr-2011 05:54:58] <_TORNADO_> I have a problem with a tracepath.py script. I'd like to know - is it a bug or it's just my problem...
[15-Apr-2011 05:55:28] <_TORNADO_> tracepath.py host.domain
[15-Apr-2011 05:55:30] <_TORNADO_> Traceback (most recent call last):
[15-Apr-2011 05:55:31] <_TORNADO_>   File "/opt/zenoss/bin/tracepath.py", line 6, in <module>
[15-Apr-2011 05:55:33] <_TORNADO_>     from Products.ZenUtils.ZenScriptBase import ZenScriptBase
[15-Apr-2011 05:55:34] <_TORNADO_> ImportError: No module named ZenUtils.ZenScriptBase
[15-Apr-2011 05:56:12] <Simon4> are you the zenoss user?
[15-Apr-2011 05:56:13] <_TORNADO_> echo $PYTHONPATH, $ZENHOME, $(whoami)
[15-Apr-2011 05:56:15] <_TORNADO_> /opt/zenoss/lib/python, /opt/zenoss, zenoss
[15-Apr-2011 05:56:29] * Simon4 checks a script
[15-Apr-2011 05:56:43] <_TORNADO_> Core 3.1.0
[15-Apr-2011 05:57:03] <Simon4> import Globals
[15-Apr-2011 05:57:03] <Simon4> from Products.ZenUtils.ZenScriptBase import ZenScriptBase
[15-Apr-2011 05:57:11] <Simon4> at the top of one of mine
[15-Apr-2011 05:57:50] <_TORNADO_> #!/usr/bin/env python
[15-Apr-2011 05:57:52] <_TORNADO_> import Globals
[15-Apr-2011 05:57:53] <_TORNADO_> import sys
[15-Apr-2011 05:57:55] <_TORNADO_> import os
[15-Apr-2011 05:57:57] <_TORNADO_> from Products.ZenUtils.ZenScriptBase import ZenScriptBase
[15-Apr-2011 05:57:58] <_TORNADO_> from transaction import commit
[15-Apr-2011 06:00:11] <Simon4> seems reasonable
[15-Apr-2011 06:09:39] <_TORNADO_> any advice?
[15-Apr-2011 08:31:29] <KC9NVQ> is there a migration guide for the stack install of 3.0 to get to 3.1?
[15-Apr-2011 09:08:48] <Sam-I-Am> moo.
[15-Apr-2011 09:10:28] <Simon4> moo moo
[15-Apr-2011 09:10:32] <Simon4> Gi2/7     spare port         connected    646        a-full a-1000 10/100/1000-TX
[15-Apr-2011 09:10:35] <Simon4> I hate people so much sometimes
[15-Apr-2011 09:12:16] <Sam-I-Am> "shut" (wait for phone call)
[15-Apr-2011 09:12:23] <Simon4> yeah
[15-Apr-2011 10:30:38] <joko_> la la la
[15-Apr-2011 10:30:41] <joko_> .we
[15-Apr-2011 12:45:50] <][ceman> how would I go about creating or modifying a report to show other information, like for example show OS model from the Overview page
[15-Apr-2011 12:47:33] <][ceman> the All devices report is basically the base I would like to add more info to. I looked at zport/dmd/manage and then started looking through the reports, but I don't see where I would be able to change it.
[15-Apr-2011 13:38:28] <][ceman> Does the documentation have a section for running queryies for custom reports?
[15-Apr-2011 15:34:20] <JohnnyNoc> i would like to know that as well
[15-Apr-2011 15:34:38] <JohnnyNoc> anyone know if i can grep out (or equivalent) specific graphs from a report that's run and sent via reportmail?
[15-Apr-2011 16:42:28] <jb> any of you guys monitoring cisco routers with full routing tables?
[15-Apr-2011 16:42:56] <Sashness> JohnnyNoc: I would just make a copy of the report and then remove the graphs i don't want in the report being mailed
[15-Apr-2011 16:49:21] <froztbyte> jb: looking for a way around the issue of 5k routes?
[15-Apr-2011 16:49:34] <froztbyte> err, 500*
[15-Apr-2011 17:55:58] <moath> anybody have any good links on event classification/transformation? the docs feel a little light
[15-Apr-2011 18:03:08] <Sam-I-Am> jb: no... the cisco would blow up followed by zenoss
[15-Apr-2011 18:03:25] <Sam-I-Am> moath: in what sense?
[15-Apr-2011 18:04:33] <moath> Sam-I-Am: trying to sort out how to have zenoss classify syslog events that are coming in so they're not just in the Unknown state. I'd like them to be inspected (regex) and assigned a class by the message's contents
[15-Apr-2011 18:05:26] <Sam-I-Am> oh, i havent used syslog
[15-Apr-2011 18:08:38] <Sam-I-Am> one of the many facets i still need to touch
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[16-Apr-2011 00:48:17] <sergeymasushko> rmatte: are you here?
[16-Apr-2011 13:09:50] mray1 is now known as mattray
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[16-Apr-2011 15:14:42] <StFS> Is there still no way to change the root of zenoss? I'm trying to put it behind Apache using both SSL and an alternative root but I'm having problems with that
[16-Apr-2011 15:16:21] <StFS> I've followed these instructions but they end in the same problem and there seems to be no solution: thread/3567
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[17-Apr-2011 07:35:25] <zykes-> anyone around ?
[17-Apr-2011 07:35:47] <zykes-> after upgrading zenoss, i get: http://pastebin.com/NJY3CV4D
[17-Apr-2011 11:53:50] * Simon4 does some ZenPack dev for the first time in months
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[18-Apr-2011 05:14:25] <froztbyte> sigh
[18-Apr-2011 05:14:34] <Simon4> happy monday
[18-Apr-2011 05:14:40] <froztbyte> mray's chef stuff looks pretty useful
[18-Apr-2011 05:14:45] <froztbyte> if I had been using chef
[18-Apr-2011 05:14:47] <froztbyte> Simon4: haha
[18-Apr-2011 05:18:07] <froztbyte> Simon4 / kok[tab]: how's the weather that side of the world today?\
[18-Apr-2011 05:18:14] <froztbyte> feels like london here in jhb
[18-Apr-2011 05:18:16] <Simon4> warm and sunny
[18-Apr-2011 05:18:23] <froztbyte>
[18-Apr-2011 05:18:24] <Simon4> it's been a very warm spring
[18-Apr-2011 05:18:29] <Simon4> t-shirt only to work today
[18-Apr-2011 05:18:36] <Simon4> well, with pants, but ya know
[18-Apr-2011 05:18:55] <froztbyte> today here feels like what london felt like on the 28th dec, a week after the snow melted
[18-Apr-2011 05:19:02] <Simon4> ooh, chilly
[18-Apr-2011 05:19:20] <froztbyte> and clouds /everywhere/
[18-Apr-2011 05:19:56] <froztbyte> half of northcliff hill is invisible
[18-Apr-2011 05:20:17] * froztbyte may just decide to hibernate all of winter
[18-Apr-2011 05:20:44] <Simon4> just go skiing somewhere
[18-Apr-2011 05:21:52] <froztbyte> que?
[18-Apr-2011 05:22:14] <Simon4> I survived london winter by spending feb skiing in the states, worked a treat
[18-Apr-2011 05:22:25] <froztbyte> oh
[18-Apr-2011 05:22:32] <froztbyte> no cash for travel right now
[18-Apr-2011 06:05:38] <kokey> yah
[18-Apr-2011 06:06:04] <Simon4> raah
[18-Apr-2011 06:07:21] <kokey> shopping for a new contract in london
[18-Apr-2011 06:11:08] <kokey> but first, have to find out how to provide an easy to reach list of devices under a System
[18-Apr-2011 06:11:31] <kokey> i could write a cgi script
[18-Apr-2011 06:11:43] <kokey> but thing is httpd doesn't run as the zenoss user
[18-Apr-2011 06:11:53] <kokey> so i might have to do something messy with suid
[18-Apr-2011 06:12:29] <Simon4> you could write a zenpack that provides a custom report?
[18-Apr-2011 06:13:21] <kokey> that sounds like the right way to do that
[18-Apr-2011 06:13:37] <kokey> though I wonder if I could learn and implement that in half a day
[18-Apr-2011 06:14:14] <kokey> funny, I am reading about doing a hello world in zope and it seems strangely like the docs on making zenpacks
[18-Apr-2011 06:15:31] <kokey> custom report, now there's an idea actually
[18-Apr-2011 06:15:42] <kokey> I just need to learn how to write a query
[18-Apr-2011 06:15:51] * Simon4 has a play
[18-Apr-2011 06:15:56] <Simon4> this might be easier than you think
[18-Apr-2011 06:16:57] <Simon4> custom device reports are your friend
[18-Apr-2011 06:17:17] <Simon4> set path to "/Systems/foo"
[18-Apr-2011 06:17:19] <kokey> there aren't any examples about what to put in to query and columns?
[18-Apr-2011 06:17:21] <Simon4> add a column of "id"
[18-Apr-2011 06:17:25] <Simon4> yeah, there are
[18-Apr-2011 06:17:54] <Simon4> docs/DOC-3126
[18-Apr-2011 06:18:03] <kokey> Simon4: woah, that worked
[18-Apr-2011 06:18:09] <Simon4> dmd will give you an idea of the columns, as it's anything from the device model
[18-Apr-2011 06:18:34] <kokey> yeah the column names I have, I smacked a dmd script together for it in seconds
[18-Apr-2011 06:18:47] <kokey> and then went oh darn how is some curl web client going to trigger it
[18-Apr-2011 06:18:54] <Simon4> hehe
[18-Apr-2011 06:19:04] <Simon4> gotta love it when all the hard work is already done for you
[18-Apr-2011 06:19:21] <kokey> exactly, I also don't like reinventing the wheel
[18-Apr-2011 06:19:42] <kokey> ah that example doc is also handy
[18-Apr-2011 06:19:56] <kokey> i had no idea what sort of thing i could stick into the query
[18-Apr-2011 06:21:16] <kokey> i wonder if there's a URL parameter i can pass to it so it gives me output without much formatting
[18-Apr-2011 06:25:27] <kokey> ?adapt=false seems to take the frames and stuff away
[18-Apr-2011 06:34:29] <kokey> i wonder what would be the cheapest way to do some xml/html parsing from a shell script
[18-Apr-2011 06:34:44] <kokey> perl with a regex ;-)
[18-Apr-2011 06:34:46] <kokey> *duck*
[18-Apr-2011 06:37:55] <kokey> |grep -A2 tablevalues|egrep -v '^<|--'
[18-Apr-2011 06:38:06] <kokey> that's well nasty, but it will have to do
[18-Apr-2011 07:15:11] <froztbyte> I ran into some nice CLI utils for playing with basic js and xml the other day
[18-Apr-2011 07:15:40] <froztbyte> although they seem to be on my other linux box that I haven't booted in months..
[18-Apr-2011 07:22:17] <_TORNADO_> hi!
[18-Apr-2011 07:23:18] <_TORNADO_> Is there a possibility to change an event state with the Event Transform for an existing event?
[18-Apr-2011 07:24:43] <_TORNADO_> I have a transform with an action "evt.eventState = 2". But it makes event supressed only if it is new. If the event exists already - State is not changed
[18-Apr-2011 08:00:36] <KC9NVQ> is there a migration guide for the stack install of 3.0 to get to 3.1?
[18-Apr-2011 08:01:28] <Simon4> KC9NVQ: check the release notes for 3.1, any migration notes tend to end up in there
[18-Apr-2011 08:01:52] <Simon4> the 3.0->3.1 upgrade isn't a huge code/db change though, so it's not a difficult upgrade
[18-Apr-2011 08:01:56] <Simon4> nothing like 2.5->3.0 anyway
[18-Apr-2011 08:17:35] <KC9NVQ> simon4: where is that located?  Checked documents on the zenoss website and didn't see it?
[18-Apr-2011 08:17:58] <Simon4> KC9NVQ: hmm, normally it's on the same download page, that's where I always find it
[18-Apr-2011 08:27:37] <froztbyte> oh, right, that'd explain the 47GB DB
[18-Apr-2011 08:27:46] <froztbyte> "Delete Historical Events Older Than (days) : 0"
[18-Apr-2011 08:28:19] <froztbyte> (</3 66GB drives)
[18-Apr-2011 08:28:56] <Simon4> zenoss gets fairly slow when that happens
[18-Apr-2011 08:29:09] <froztbyte> actually, this one is impressively stable
[18-Apr-2011 08:29:26] <froztbyte> although I did do a little bit of tweaking on the MySQL stuff
[18-Apr-2011 08:35:29] <KC9NVQ> simon4: thanks, that has the info I need!
[18-Apr-2011 08:35:36] <KC9NVQ> well hidden little bastard
[18-Apr-2011 08:35:37] <Simon4> KC9NVQ: awesome
[18-Apr-2011 08:45:51] <froztbyte> sigh, mysql probably won't release this gigantaur 40GB thing
[18-Apr-2011 08:48:19] <froztbyte> hate mysql so much
[18-Apr-2011 08:48:41] <froztbyte> someday in a rage I'll write all the events etc code to use sqlalchemy or something, and then make it work with postgres
[18-Apr-2011 08:55:28] <froztbyte> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/optimize-table.html -- FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
[18-Apr-2011 09:50:50] <Sam-I-Am> oo.
[18-Apr-2011 09:50:54] <Sam-I-Am> er, moo
[18-Apr-2011 09:51:03] <Simon4> luck
[18-Apr-2011 09:51:31] * Sam-I-Am tries to wake up
[18-Apr-2011 09:51:36] <Sam-I-Am> monday after a race day is never fun
[18-Apr-2011 09:56:00] <LW> Two questions:  Any issues with re-addressing/splitting mysql to another machine?  and is re-indexing the recommended solution for zeodb data inconsistancy issues?
[18-Apr-2011 09:56:12] <Simon4> LW: no and yes
[18-Apr-2011 09:56:46] <Sam-I-Am> meh @ juniper support
[18-Apr-2011 09:56:54] <Sam-I-Am> received a call and cannot understand a word that was said
[18-Apr-2011 09:57:08] <Simon4> ah yeah
[18-Apr-2011 09:57:15] <Simon4> I put "ONLY BY EMAIL" in my tickets now
[18-Apr-2011 09:57:19] <Sam-I-Am> i do too
[18-Apr-2011 09:57:21] <Simon4> I can't even begin to understand
[18-Apr-2011 09:57:22] <Sam-I-Am> but they call anyway
[18-Apr-2011 09:57:32] <Sam-I-Am> the email isnt any better
[18-Apr-2011 09:57:43] <LW> Simon4: most excellent
[18-Apr-2011 09:57:59] <Sam-I-Am> this guy is having trouble understanding my question of "which power supply in this unit, top or bottom, does the software consider #1, #2, etc"
[18-Apr-2011 09:58:18] <Sam-I-Am> since the box nor docs indicate
[18-Apr-2011 09:58:30] * Sam-I-Am shakes fist
[18-Apr-2011 10:00:35] <LW> the only time I ever got somebody I could understand on a phone from JTAC is when it was a JunOS upgrade that went bad, and the guy that I could understand  had me on the right track in like five minutes where I wasted a few hours going person to person in the remote call-centers trying to get the case an upgraded status
[18-Apr-2011 10:01:34] <LW> and I do believe they ignore the email only field
[18-Apr-2011 10:02:15] <Simon4> yeah, if you can get escallated they're awesome
[18-Apr-2011 10:09:02] <kokey> last job we had to proxy all juniper support stuff through the reseller
[18-Apr-2011 10:09:19] <kokey> i thought it was an extra layer of pain but it's sounding like they were doing us a favour
[18-Apr-2011 10:09:40] <LW> kokey: depending on the issue, they we're
[18-Apr-2011 10:09:45] <LW> were
[18-Apr-2011 11:16:52] <JohnnyNoc> could anyone help explain why in an RRD graph cur value could be 0, max is say 15, but avg is say 6m?
[18-Apr-2011 11:17:01] <Simon4> 6 milli
[18-Apr-2011 11:17:10] <Simon4> not 6 million
[18-Apr-2011 11:17:18] <JohnnyNoc> hrm
[18-Apr-2011 11:17:26] <JohnnyNoc> if it were million would it be 6M
[18-Apr-2011 11:17:35] <Simon4> correct
[18-Apr-2011 11:17:41] <JohnnyNoc> hrm, in the context of interface drops
[18-Apr-2011 11:17:50] <JohnnyNoc> 6milli drops/s
[18-Apr-2011 11:18:02] <Simon4> over a 5 min average
[18-Apr-2011 11:18:02] <JohnnyNoc> i'm not sure i understand what it means
[18-Apr-2011 11:18:07] <JohnnyNoc> right, right
[18-Apr-2011 11:18:08] <JohnnyNoc> ok
[18-Apr-2011 11:18:09] <Simon4> or a period
[18-Apr-2011 11:30:34] <kokey> ok setting maintenance windows are just plain weird
[18-Apr-2011 11:30:44] <kokey> maybe it's a 3.x interface issue
[18-Apr-2011 11:31:10] <kokey> basically, when you set one for a particular alerting rule, it only allows start date to be today
[18-Apr-2011 11:39:03] <Sam-I-Am> JohnnyNoc: you can tweak your rrd stuff to avoid it auto-sizing down to the milli range
[18-Apr-2011 11:39:05] <Sam-I-Am> its annoying
[18-Apr-2011 11:39:12] <Sam-I-Am> a LOT of people think its megs or something
[18-Apr-2011 11:39:40] <Simon4> you remove the %s from the format string from memory
[18-Apr-2011 11:39:55] <Simon4> hiding in the datapoint definition of a graph definition
[18-Apr-2011 11:42:49] <JohnnyNoc> hrm
[18-Apr-2011 11:42:59] <JohnnyNoc> but would that then show the avg value higher than max, just without the trailing m?
[18-Apr-2011 11:43:08] <Simon4> no, it would show 0.006
[18-Apr-2011 11:43:14] <JohnnyNoc> ahh
[18-Apr-2011 11:43:15] <Simon4> or whatnot
[18-Apr-2011 11:43:15] <JohnnyNoc> i gotcha
[18-Apr-2011 11:45:19] <JohnnyNoc> so i setup my own install of zenoss 3.1 last night and am not sure how i feel about the GUI
[18-Apr-2011 11:45:21] <JohnnyNoc>
[18-Apr-2011 11:45:46] <JohnnyNoc> i'm hoping it's just a matter of getting used to it, but i found looking at device components to kinda suck
[18-Apr-2011 11:45:47] <kokey> i can say one thing about the GUI
[18-Apr-2011 11:45:54] <kokey> it sucks for maintenance windows
[18-Apr-2011 11:46:03] <JohnnyNoc> kokey oh geez why do you say that?
[18-Apr-2011 11:46:46] <kokey> try set a start date that is not today
[18-Apr-2011 11:46:47] <froztbyte> zenoss gui still kicks the shit out of most nagios config interfaces
[18-Apr-2011 11:47:06] <froztbyte> and what I saw of opennms as well
[18-Apr-2011 11:47:12] <froztbyte> nevermind lolzabbix
[18-Apr-2011 11:47:20] <kokey> yeah the interface still rocks above others
[18-Apr-2011 11:47:36] <kokey> but from a configuration and event purpose more than status, I would say
[18-Apr-2011 11:47:40] <froztbyte> some annoying things here and there, but it's definitely tons better than others
[18-Apr-2011 11:47:46] <kokey> there's some work to be done on dashboards
[18-Apr-2011 11:48:03] <froztbyte> kokey: arr
[18-Apr-2011 11:48:19] <froztbyte> although with the json exposed on 3, you could probably make some fun happen yourself
[18-Apr-2011 11:48:27] <kokey> i suspect my next gig, if it involves zenoss, will not be using enterprise
[18-Apr-2011 11:48:46] <kokey> and i'll be back to the 'give us a dashboard to show us how many devices are up and how many down'
[18-Apr-2011 11:49:19] <froztbyte> why that suspicion? dislikes in ent, or cost?
[18-Apr-2011 11:49:27] <froztbyte> CTC, I mean
[18-Apr-2011 11:49:40] <kokey> froztbyte: i figure just cost, i don't think everywhere will just fork out for it
[18-Apr-2011 11:49:52] <froztbyte> yar
[18-Apr-2011 11:49:57] <kokey> or even if not cost, my contract might be over by the time someone signs a purchase order
[18-Apr-2011 11:53:24] <froztbyte> haha
[18-Apr-2011 11:55:16] <kokey> why do the 'merkins pronounce it zee-nose when the login screen has zen like stones on it
[18-Apr-2011 11:56:25] <rmatte> zee-nose is the correct pronunciation
[18-Apr-2011 11:56:32] <rmatte> even though I don't pronounce it that way
[18-Apr-2011 11:57:01] <rmatte> I pronounce it zeh-noss
[18-Apr-2011 11:57:02] <kokey> it's just as confusing as saying route one way and router another way
[18-Apr-2011 11:57:34] <kokey> where the north american way of saying routing is more like it's based on the word rout
[18-Apr-2011 11:57:42] <rmatte> hehe
[18-Apr-2011 11:57:47] <kokey> where rout is commonly defined as a chaotic and disorderly retreat or withdrawal of troops from a battlefield
[18-Apr-2011 11:57:52] <froztbyte> rmatte: no it ain't
[18-Apr-2011 11:57:53] <rmatte> I live in north america and I don't say it like that
[18-Apr-2011 11:58:08] <rmatte> froztbyte: Have you actually watched any of the Zenoss demo videos?
[18-Apr-2011 11:58:14] <froztbyte> rmatte: yes, they're wrong
[18-Apr-2011 11:58:15] <rmatte> It's pronounced like that in every video
[18-Apr-2011 11:58:23] <froztbyte> go speak to any japanese person
[18-Apr-2011 11:58:26] <froztbyte> where the word zen is from
[18-Apr-2011 11:58:29] <kokey> which more accurately describes using d-link
[18-Apr-2011 11:58:45] <rmatte> So you're saying that the company that named the product is wrong in their pronunciation of it
[18-Apr-2011 11:58:52] <froztbyte> yes
[18-Apr-2011 11:59:03] <kokey> yeah
[18-Apr-2011 11:59:06] <kokey> but it's the US
[18-Apr-2011 11:59:13] <kokey> they say things wrong and then stick to it
[18-Apr-2011 11:59:22] <froztbyte> rmatte: so lots of people who prefer something other then [sic] something else, they're right?
[18-Apr-2011 11:59:48] <froztbyte> just because $figure_of_authority||$mass_mob does something doesn't mean it's right
[18-Apr-2011 11:59:53] <rmatte> froztbyte: There are lots of words that aren't pronounced how they are spelled, take chihuahua for example
[18-Apr-2011 11:59:54] <kokey> there's no like 'oh this word is based on that word from this other language so the pronounciation has its root in it'
[18-Apr-2011 12:00:06] <kokey> it's more like 'the VP of sales said it wrong and now we're stuck with it'
[18-Apr-2011 12:00:06] <rmatte> but that is the correct pronunciation for that word
[18-Apr-2011 12:00:34] <froztbyte> rmatte: I'm not exactly sure what you mean there, I've never heard a different pronounciation of chihuahua to the one I know
[18-Apr-2011 12:02:31] <kokey> heh
[18-Apr-2011 12:02:35] <kokey> we need someone from the US here
[18-Apr-2011 12:02:42] <kokey> i was wondering if this coming friday is a holiday there
[18-Apr-2011 12:02:51] <froztbyte> rmatte is from the US, innit?
[18-Apr-2011 12:02:58] <froztbyte> rmatte: ^ are you?
[18-Apr-2011 12:03:19] <JohnnyNoc> no
[18-Apr-2011 12:03:20] <JohnnyNoc> it's not
[18-Apr-2011 12:03:22] <kokey> yeah and you are from zimbabwe
[18-Apr-2011 12:03:37] <kokey> and speak swahili
[18-Apr-2011 12:03:38] <froztbyte> no I'm not, I have internet!
[18-Apr-2011 12:03:41] <froztbyte> </trololo>
[18-Apr-2011 12:03:57] <kokey> and it's a county in africa
[18-Apr-2011 12:04:17] <kokey> note i didn't say country
[18-Apr-2011 12:04:29] <rmatte> I'm from Canada
[18-Apr-2011 12:04:38] <rmatte> We spell it "colour" here
[18-Apr-2011 12:04:40] <rmatte>
[18-Apr-2011 12:05:30] <froztbyte> colour's right
[18-Apr-2011 12:06:07] <froztbyte> wait, are we conflating this into a parody of racism being confused with lack of geographic knowledge?
[18-Apr-2011 12:06:16] <froztbyte> it's been a long monday, gotta make sure
[18-Apr-2011 12:07:03] <kokey> looks like i'll only be able to set maintenance windows accurately through zendmd
[18-Apr-2011 12:08:31] <rmatte> froztbyte: no idea, we're certainly not racist here.
[18-Apr-2011 12:09:01] <rmatte> You look at a group of people crossing the street and it's like a UN summit
[18-Apr-2011 12:09:02] <rmatte> lol
[18-Apr-2011 12:09:14] <davetoo> where?
[18-Apr-2011 12:09:17] <rmatte> Canada
[18-Apr-2011 12:09:38] <rmatte> I'm specifically in Ottawa
[18-Apr-2011 12:09:42] <davetoo> Are they all wearing toques?
[18-Apr-2011 12:09:58] <rmatte> surprisingly we don't have winter all year round up here
[18-Apr-2011 12:10:00] <Simon4> rmatte: ottowa eh?
[18-Apr-2011 12:10:07] <rmatte> but in the winter, yes they would be
[18-Apr-2011 12:11:06] <kokey> one of my housemates is austrian
[18-Apr-2011 12:11:24] <froztbyte> rmatte: wish I could say that of my country at the moment
[18-Apr-2011 12:11:32] <kokey> so between myself and him we are covered with racism, fascism and keeping children in basements
[18-Apr-2011 12:11:41] <rmatte> lol
[18-Apr-2011 12:12:10] <rmatte> yeh, that children in basement thing was messed up
[18-Apr-2011 12:12:17] <froztbyte> kokey: what about god complexes? or is that the building super?
[18-Apr-2011 12:12:38] <kokey> building management seems to act in mysterious ways
[18-Apr-2011 12:12:48] <davetoo> heh.. is Kokey in NYC?  I associate the phrase "building super" with NYC for some reason
[18-Apr-2011 12:13:21] <kokey> i'm in london, our building has 9 flats
[18-Apr-2011 12:13:31] <kokey> or as the english calls it 'houses'
[18-Apr-2011 12:18:55] <rmatte> you call apartments houses?
[18-Apr-2011 12:19:23] <Simon4> our english landlord calls em flats
[18-Apr-2011 12:19:48] <kokey> depends, but what i would consider a 3 bedroom flat, they'll still call a house
[18-Apr-2011 12:19:53] <froztbyte> what about your scottish landlord?
[18-Apr-2011 12:19:59] <Simon4> froztbyte: I don't talk about him
[18-Apr-2011 12:20:13] <kokey> like terraced flats, they call houses
[18-Apr-2011 12:20:24] <froztbyte> Simon4: hehe
[18-Apr-2011 12:20:35] <kokey> it only seems to be a flat if it's horrible and owned by the government
[18-Apr-2011 12:20:46] <froztbyte> kokey: that's probably because those are the biggest things generally available
[18-Apr-2011 12:20:49] <kokey> and if it's not horrible and privately owned, they call it an apartment
[18-Apr-2011 12:21:12] <kokey> unless it's like 3 bedroomed or split over more than one level, it becomes a house somehow
[18-Apr-2011 12:21:13] <froztbyte> sigh, so much to do still today
[18-Apr-2011 12:21:16] <froztbyte> and it's 18h21
[18-Apr-2011 12:21:38] <rmatte> weird
[18-Apr-2011 12:22:54] <rmatte> Here apartments are rented, condos are owned, and houses are basically anything where you own all floors in it.
[18-Apr-2011 12:23:11] <kokey> rmatte: that makes sense to me
[18-Apr-2011 12:23:18] <kokey> "An apartment (in American English) or flat (in British English) is a self-contained housing unit (a type of residential real estate) that occupies only part of a building."
[18-Apr-2011 12:23:25] <davetoo> Condos: the idea of not owning both sides of the walls is anathema to me
[18-Apr-2011 12:23:28] <kokey> but in the UK even if it's part of a building they often call it a house
[18-Apr-2011 12:23:49] <rmatte> davetoo: well, there are townhouses too where you don't own both sides of the walls technically
[18-Apr-2011 12:23:53] <kokey> in my mind only a detached property is a house
[18-Apr-2011 12:24:09] <kokey> rmatte: what you would call townhouses, they also just call a 'house' in the uk
[18-Apr-2011 12:24:11] <rmatte> townhouses are two houses connected by a wall
[18-Apr-2011 12:24:25] <davetoo> rmatte: what about "duplex"?
[18-Apr-2011 12:24:48] <rmatte> duplex is the technical term that you'd hear a real estate agent use here, but you wouldn't hear it in regular conversation
[18-Apr-2011 12:25:03] <kokey> and the british meaning of 'townhouse' is "A townhouse (or townhome derived from "house in town") is the term historically used in the United Kingdom, Ireland and in many other countries to describe a residence of a peer or member of the aristocracy in the capital or major city"
[18-Apr-2011 12:25:17] <davetoo> we use it here (California), where almost all duplexes are single-story
[18-Apr-2011 12:25:26] <kokey> heh
[18-Apr-2011 12:25:35] <kokey> in south africa duplex flats are 2 storey
[18-Apr-2011 12:25:35] <rmatte> almost all of our townhouses/duplex are two story
[18-Apr-2011 12:25:38] <davetoo> I would think of "townhouse" as being like a row0-house in a city, I guess
[18-Apr-2011 12:25:38] <kokey> and triplex 3 storey
[18-Apr-2011 12:26:01] <Simon4> duplex implies 2 story
[18-Apr-2011 12:26:11] <kokey> and if it's just one layer of duplexes... it would be a townhouse complex, and if it's multiple layers then it's a building of flats
[18-Apr-2011 12:26:17] <davetoo> But the real question is: do they have snmp agents?
[18-Apr-2011 12:26:27] <Simon4> davetoo: the agents I deal with are pretty simple, for sure
[18-Apr-2011 12:26:42] <kokey> they suck at management tho
[18-Apr-2011 12:26:44] <rmatte> one story houses here are called bungalows, and they are generally not connected to another unit
[18-Apr-2011 12:27:38] <davetoo> here: bungalows are generally tiny detached things that might otherwise be called a "granny flat", i.e. where you have grandma living in the back yard
[18-Apr-2011 12:28:06] <rmatte> there's tons of space to build around here though... I would imagine that a city like London is a bit more cramped when it comes to living accommodations.
[18-Apr-2011 12:28:14] <rmatte> just my guess
[18-Apr-2011 12:28:42] <davetoo> rmatte: what are your gasoline prices like right now?
[18-Apr-2011 12:29:01] <rmatte> davetoo: around $1.15 to $1.20 per litre
[18-Apr-2011 12:29:11] <davetoo> CDN, right?
[18-Apr-2011 12:29:15] <rmatte> correct
[18-Apr-2011 12:29:36] <rmatte> and litres, not gallons
[18-Apr-2011 12:30:03] <Simon4> £1.27/L here
[18-Apr-2011 12:31:12] <rmatte> 1 euro is 1.38 CAD right now
[18-Apr-2011 12:31:20] <rmatte> actually sorry
[18-Apr-2011 12:31:26] <rmatte> 1.27 is 1.38 CAD
[18-Apr-2011 12:31:28] <rmatte> so close enough
[18-Apr-2011 12:31:35] <davetoo> US $4.27 per US Gal for 87 RON
[18-Apr-2011 12:31:45] <rmatte> that US price looks about the same too
[18-Apr-2011 12:32:01] <davetoo> the highest I'
[18-Apr-2011 12:32:05] <davetoo> ve ever seen it
[18-Apr-2011 12:32:09] <davetoo> and it's not even summer yet
[18-Apr-2011 12:32:21] <rmatte> Far from the highest that I've seen it here
[18-Apr-2011 12:32:42] <rmatte> I've seen it at 1.47 CAD one time
[18-Apr-2011 12:32:52] <rmatte> which would be over $5/gallon
[18-Apr-2011 12:33:24] <rmatte> hmmm, hadn't noticed that the US dollar is ahead of ours again
[18-Apr-2011 12:33:47] <rmatte> not by much though, 3 cents more
[18-Apr-2011 12:34:39] <davetoo> last week I put US $63.00 worth of 87 octane (the cheapest) in my 4runner
[18-Apr-2011 12:34:44] <davetoo> that's the higheste ever
[18-Apr-2011 12:34:54] <davetoo> it's a shocker
[18-Apr-2011 12:35:23] <rmatte> an F150 costs around $150 to fill here
[18-Apr-2011 12:35:40] <rmatte> ironic
[18-Apr-2011 12:35:44] <Simon4> do you get further than around the block in one of those on a tank?
[18-Apr-2011 12:36:00] <rmatte> Yeh you do, but only because it has a huge tank
[18-Apr-2011 12:36:11] <rmatte> they burn through dinosaurs pretty good
[18-Apr-2011 12:36:22] <davetoo> I only have my 4runner because I was hauling my motorcycle to the racetrack every three or four weeks for several summers
[18-Apr-2011 12:36:29] <rmatte> ah
[18-Apr-2011 12:36:37] <rmatte> maybe time to switch to something else lol
[18-Apr-2011 12:36:46] <davetoo> well I want to go back
[18-Apr-2011 12:36:51] <kokey> to put sizes into perspective
[18-Apr-2011 12:36:57] <kokey> i had a RAV4 in gibraltar
[18-Apr-2011 12:37:14] <kokey> and several people, when they eventually saw my car, said 'wow you got a big car'
[18-Apr-2011 12:37:17] <rmatte> yeh, rav4s are tiny
[18-Apr-2011 12:37:23] <davetoo> http://www.flickr.com/photos/davetoo/511728834/in/set-72057594134909250   <--- me
[18-Apr-2011 12:37:29] <Sam-I-Am> i find similar models in non-US countries have smaller engines
[18-Apr-2011 12:37:36] <rmatte> cool
[18-Apr-2011 12:37:46] <Sam-I-Am> and are severely underpowered, but thats what you get when fuel prices are much higher and you're taxed on engine size
[18-Apr-2011 12:37:59] <Sam-I-Am> tax on engine size in the US would be amusing
[18-Apr-2011 12:38:03] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: it really depends on the vehicle
[18-Apr-2011 12:38:06] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: yeah in South Africa having over a 3.0 litre engine is considered pretty big
[18-Apr-2011 12:38:11] <rmatte> we have lots of big engine vehicles here
[18-Apr-2011 12:38:52] <davetoo> I'm a big guy, can't go too small, but I do want something better for long-distance business travel.
[18-Apr-2011 12:39:32] <Sam-I-Am> i like my camry... gets damn near 40 mpg with synthetic oil
[18-Apr-2011 12:39:32] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: in the UK it's $8 US per US gallon of fuel
[18-Apr-2011 12:39:39] <Sam-I-Am> its a slug though
[18-Apr-2011 12:39:42] <davetoo> Like another golf/GTI 1.8 turbo
[18-Apr-2011 12:39:48] <Sam-I-Am> kokey: shit
[18-Apr-2011 12:39:58] <Sam-I-Am> and we think we have it rough
[18-Apr-2011 12:40:04] <kokey> the camry is one of the few toyotas with a long enough gear for cheap highway consumption
[18-Apr-2011 12:40:18] <rmatte> Everything in the UK is ridiculously expensive
[18-Apr-2011 12:40:20] <Sam-I-Am> fuel has always been expensive there, and cheap here... so poeple just get used to it.  the economy is based on cheap fuel.
[18-Apr-2011 12:40:29] <kokey> all the important things are expensive in the UK
[18-Apr-2011 12:40:34] <Sam-I-Am> as soon as it gets in the 3s and 4s, people panic and stop spending money on anything else and the economy tanks
[18-Apr-2011 12:40:35] <kokey> alcohol and fuel
[18-Apr-2011 12:40:41] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: that's why most recent wars have been waged
[18-Apr-2011 12:40:52] <rmatte> "They have oil, git e'm!"
[18-Apr-2011 12:40:54] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: still waiting on my cheap gas
[18-Apr-2011 12:41:03] <rmatte> tell me about it
[18-Apr-2011 12:41:11] * davetoo is an old man, but....
[18-Apr-2011 12:41:17] <Sam-I-Am> the futures market is the main problem
[18-Apr-2011 12:41:28] <davetoo> I remember seeing $0.67 / gallon when I was a teenager
[18-Apr-2011 12:41:41] <Sam-I-Am> and how prices for oil delivered in 3 months automatically translates immediately to higher prices at the pump
[18-Apr-2011 12:41:48] <Sam-I-Am> someone is making $, and it aint us
[18-Apr-2011 12:41:49] <rmatte> davetoo: yeh, that's nuts
[18-Apr-2011 12:41:52] <davetoo> Sam-I-Am: indeed
[18-Apr-2011 12:42:00] <Sam-I-Am> davetoo: cheapest in my lifetime was 90 something cents back in 2001 or so
[18-Apr-2011 12:42:00] <rmatte> some of it is inflation, but still
[18-Apr-2011 12:42:13] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: except i'm not making any more money to counter the inflation
[18-Apr-2011 12:42:14] <kokey> pint of lager is almost $7 at a pub here
[18-Apr-2011 12:42:20] <rmatte> yeh, I remember it when it was around 80 cents per litre
[18-Apr-2011 12:42:25] <Sam-I-Am> same amount of money, except its worth less
[18-Apr-2011 12:42:27] <davetoo> yowch!
[18-Apr-2011 12:42:29] <rmatte> kokey: same as here
[18-Apr-2011 12:42:40] <kokey> rmatte: imperial or metric pints?
[18-Apr-2011 12:42:43] <rmatte> kokey: the cheapest you'll get a pint here is like $5.50
[18-Apr-2011 12:43:05] <davetoo> that's why it's better to drink at home
[18-Apr-2011 12:43:10] <Sam-I-Am> i brew my own beer
[18-Apr-2011 12:43:21] <davetoo> Sam-I-Am: seriously?
[18-Apr-2011 12:43:21] <rmatte> but I can get 55 cans of coors for $56 in Quebec, so in comparison, if you know where to go beer is very cheap here
[18-Apr-2011 12:43:24] <Sam-I-Am> comes down to less than a buck a bottle
[18-Apr-2011 12:43:39] <kokey> problem in london is no one has a home big enough
[18-Apr-2011 12:43:49] <Sam-I-Am> well, 75 cents a bottle
[18-Apr-2011 12:43:54] <Sam-I-Am> davetoo: yeah, its easy
[18-Apr-2011 12:44:02] <rmatte> kokey: pish tosh, convert the kid's bedroom in to a brewery
[18-Apr-2011 12:44:06] <davetoo> Sam-I-Am: http://www.craftbeerradio.com/  <-- friend of mine
[18-Apr-2011 12:44:10] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: send me some rickards red!
[18-Apr-2011 12:44:20] <kokey> rmatte: heh, another bedroom, what a luxury
[18-Apr-2011 12:44:33] <kokey> rmatte: it's more of a case here that the dining room is already converted to a bedroom
[18-Apr-2011 12:44:38] <davetoo> Sam-I-Am: I have three more bottles of DFH Palo Santo Marron ni the fridge
[18-Apr-2011 12:44:41] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: hehe, Rickard's red is good beer for sure, though I'm more partial to Alexander Keith's myself
[18-Apr-2011 12:44:57] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: although at this point i think i owe you more beer than the other way around
[18-Apr-2011 12:44:59] <rmatte> kokey: ah lol
[18-Apr-2011 12:45:06] <kokey> where i live we have space for beer kegs in the back yard
[18-Apr-2011 12:45:13] <kokey> and a large lounge for the area
[18-Apr-2011 12:45:16] <rmatte> yeh, I'm owed about 3 kegs by now combined
[18-Apr-2011 12:45:17] <kokey> so party is at our house usually
[18-Apr-2011 12:45:27] <rmatte> kokey: nice
[18-Apr-2011 12:45:54] <Sam-I-Am> i need to figure out a cheap way to regulate temperature for brewing in the summer.  dont have a basement.
[18-Apr-2011 12:46:20] <Sam-I-Am> do most of it in the winter and drink in the summer
[18-Apr-2011 12:46:36] <kokey> if i can only solve this mystery.....
[18-Apr-2011 12:46:36] <Sam-I-Am> brewing a cream ale this weekend, hope the weather stays a bit cooler for 2 weeks
[18-Apr-2011 12:46:38] <kokey> Apr 18 16:36:53 testweb30 snmpd[497]: [ID 702911 daemon.error] /applogs: Value too large for defined data type
[18-Apr-2011 12:46:47] <kokey> we got those messages on all the solaris boxes with net-snmp
[18-Apr-2011 12:46:58] <Sam-I-Am> is it trying to stuff a 64 bit value into a 32 bit field?
[18-Apr-2011 12:47:14] <davetoo> which solaris?
[18-Apr-2011 12:47:37] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: maybe...
[18-Apr-2011 12:47:38] <kokey> SunOS testweb10 5.10 Generic_127111-06 sun4v sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-T1000
[18-Apr-2011 12:48:47] <kokey> i have no clue where the '/applogs' part is coming from
[18-Apr-2011 12:48:56] <kokey> i'm wondering if it's something that sends a trap to it
[18-Apr-2011 12:49:07] <Sam-I-Am> tcpdump!
[18-Apr-2011 12:49:48] <kokey> it's solaris
[18-Apr-2011 12:49:52] <kokey> so i'll have to do snoop
[18-Apr-2011 12:51:07] <kokey> aah
[18-Apr-2011 12:51:09] <kokey> i remember now
[18-Apr-2011 12:51:12] <kokey> we looked into this before
[18-Apr-2011 12:51:16] <kokey> Value too large for defined data type
[18-Apr-2011 12:51:20] <kokey> is the output of a gzip somewhere
[18-Apr-2011 12:52:04] <rmatte> odd
[18-Apr-2011 12:52:35] <kokey> the monitoring guy that's been here for years
[18-Apr-2011 12:52:42] <kokey> he likes doing everything as snmp traps
[18-Apr-2011 12:52:57] <kokey> and then stuff that follows logs that sends more traps, etc.
[18-Apr-2011 12:53:05] <rmatte> syslog is less of a pain in the ass, but whatever
[18-Apr-2011 12:53:09] <rmatte> lol
[18-Apr-2011 12:53:14] <kokey> and then when the thing that sends traps fails, he build stuff that checks if it's up and send out reports as traps too
[18-Apr-2011 12:53:36] <kokey> well this trap is actually from something that follows a syslog and then send the trap out
[18-Apr-2011 12:53:42] <kokey> it's silly hard to maintain
[18-Apr-2011 12:54:54] <kokey> heh
[18-Apr-2011 12:55:06] <kokey> ok the script that fails, was written by the director
[18-Apr-2011 12:55:11] <kokey> so i'm going to worry less about it now
[18-Apr-2011 12:55:17] <kokey> he's going to be the one to complain about it
[18-Apr-2011 12:57:34] <davetoo> 10?
[18-Apr-2011 13:05:37] <rmatte> lol
[18-Apr-2011 13:09:33] <citrusfizz> i am monitoring ports with zenoss.nmap.IpServiceMap    the ports show up and a specific set of ports is set to Monitored = true , but when i purposefully kill a port on one of the servers i don't get any errors in zenoss..  any reason why this might be?
[18-Apr-2011 13:10:19] <rmatte> citrusfizz: as far as I was aware, that nmap plugin doesn't even work...
[18-Apr-2011 13:10:25] <rmatte> is it actually picking up things for you?
[18-Apr-2011 13:11:09] <citrusfizz> i had to install nmap and simlink it in $ZENHOME/libexec  and then tweak the paramaters a bit in configuration properties
[18-Apr-2011 13:11:22] <citrusfizz> but it picked up all the ports i wanted it to after that
[18-Apr-2011 13:11:26] <rmatte> ah
[18-Apr-2011 13:11:34] <citrusfizz> i was having problems with the default one not seeing any mssql stuff
[18-Apr-2011 13:11:57] <rmatte> the default one uses snmp, so if it's not exposed via SNMP it won't see it
[18-Apr-2011 13:12:05] <rmatte> which is the case with any ipv6 stuff
[18-Apr-2011 13:13:15] <rmatte> as far as why it's not seeing the ports close, I'm not sure.
[18-Apr-2011 13:13:36] <rmatte> you could try running the zenstatus daemon against that specific device
[18-Apr-2011 13:13:41] <rmatte> zenstatus run -v10 -d devicename
[18-Apr-2011 13:21:48] <rmatte> eugh, I'm so tired, just want to go back to bed lol
[18-Apr-2011 13:22:25] <rmatte> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T5snc_LYSY
[18-Apr-2011 13:25:45] <Sam-I-Am> hweh
[18-Apr-2011 13:25:49] <Sam-I-Am> i have days like that... often.
[18-Apr-2011 13:25:54] <rmatte> lol
[18-Apr-2011 13:25:57] <Sam-I-Am> something to do with killing myself in a race yesterday
[18-Apr-2011 13:26:09] <Sam-I-Am> for some reason i dont necessarily sleep well when my metabolism is still through the roof
[18-Apr-2011 13:27:45] <rmatte> I'm quitting both drinking and smoking starting today (have to quit both at the same time or it's not going to work lol)... I'm in for a rough few months.
[18-Apr-2011 13:28:48] <Sam-I-Am> smoking i can see but... drinking?
[18-Apr-2011 13:28:49] <rmatte> Whereas I used to cope with work by having a beer at the end of the day, now that will be replaced with the chant "Must not kill self"
[18-Apr-2011 13:28:50] <Sam-I-Am> are you NUTS?
[18-Apr-2011 13:28:53] <Sam-I-Am> not in this industry
[18-Apr-2011 13:29:00] <rmatte> Drinking leads to smoking for me
[18-Apr-2011 13:29:05] <rmatte> so it has to be done at the same time
[18-Apr-2011 13:29:07] <Sam-I-Am> and smoking leads to sex...
[18-Apr-2011 13:29:11] <rmatte> lol
[18-Apr-2011 13:29:17] <Sam-I-Am> how about a cigar a day vs. cigarettes?
[18-Apr-2011 13:29:24] <Sam-I-Am> more relaxing
[18-Apr-2011 13:29:24] <rmatte> I hate cigars
[18-Apr-2011 13:29:32] <rmatte> they taste like ass
[18-Apr-2011 13:29:38] <Sam-I-Am> have you tasted ass?
[18-Apr-2011 13:29:58] <rmatte> ok, they taste like what I would envision ass tasting like
[18-Apr-2011 13:30:00] <rmatte> but no, I have not
[18-Apr-2011 13:30:02] <Sam-I-Am> lol
[18-Apr-2011 13:30:06] <Sam-I-Am> good cigars?
[18-Apr-2011 13:30:35] <rmatte> I've tried high enough grade ones, yes
[18-Apr-2011 13:30:44] <rmatte> It's not illegal to get cubans here
[18-Apr-2011 13:35:07] <citrusfizz> i quit smokey cigs  only way to do it was to drink every time i had a craving,   was drunk for 3 days.
[18-Apr-2011 13:35:17] <citrusfizz> successfully quit for 3 years and took up cigars
[18-Apr-2011 13:35:25] <citrusfizz> took a while before i grew into the taste
[18-Apr-2011 13:35:33] <rmatte> citrusfizz: yeh, that doesn't work for me since I only have cravings to smoke when I drink.
[18-Apr-2011 13:36:08] <citrusfizz> i find it more managable to be drunk and have a craving tho then to be sober
[18-Apr-2011 13:36:14] <citrusfizz> just make sure you can't reach any cigs
[18-Apr-2011 13:36:18] <citrusfizz> throw them all out
[18-Apr-2011 13:36:20] <citrusfizz> flush them
[18-Apr-2011 13:36:28] <citrusfizz> make sure you can't dig them outta the garbage
[18-Apr-2011 13:36:31] <citrusfizz> stay home
[18-Apr-2011 13:36:36] <citrusfizz> suffer for 3 days
[18-Apr-2011 13:36:52] <rmatte> I threw out my pack this morning... the craving I get when I'm drunk is really uncomfortable, makes me want to punch through a steel plate lol
[18-Apr-2011 13:37:00] <citrusfizz> lol
[18-Apr-2011 13:37:25] <citrusfizz> what about pot or some pharmies to get you by?
[18-Apr-2011 13:37:27] <citrusfizz> like xanax
[18-Apr-2011 13:37:28] <rmatte> everyone reacts to it differently I guess, this just happens to be the best way for me to approach it
[18-Apr-2011 13:37:47] <rmatte> I don't smoke pot, and I want to do this without putting even more drugs in to my system lol
[18-Apr-2011 13:37:59] <citrusfizz> yeah,  its just a bitch
[18-Apr-2011 13:38:04] <rmatte> yeh
[18-Apr-2011 13:38:15] <citrusfizz> first 3 days are hell   you will do anything to convince your self to go buy a pack
[18-Apr-2011 13:38:42] <rmatte> I've been through this many times... made it up to like 2 weeks once, but it's always the same story, I'll be out drinking and I'll break down and smoke lol
[18-Apr-2011 13:38:48] <citrusfizz> then after 3 days its all about experiancing the times you would normally have a cig  with out having one.    like after a big meal or after a movie.
[18-Apr-2011 13:38:59] <citrusfizz> oh shit
[18-Apr-2011 13:38:59] <rmatte> yeh
[18-Apr-2011 13:39:14] <citrusfizz> don't drink for 2 months then
[18-Apr-2011 13:39:22] <citrusfizz> good luck
[18-Apr-2011 13:39:27] <rmatte> well, if I can make it to 2 months I might as well just continue
[18-Apr-2011 13:40:00] <rmatte> I drink enough that I'm sure I've done some damage, best to just stay away from it for like a year or something, then return with extreme moderation.
[18-Apr-2011 13:40:05] <citrusfizz> yeah but drinking can be fun and benificial in a social way.    plus i don't think its near as bad as cigs   unless you abuse the fuck out of it
[18-Apr-2011 13:40:11] <citrusfizz> oh
[18-Apr-2011 13:40:13] <citrusfizz> well i nthat case
[18-Apr-2011 13:40:15] <citrusfizz> yah
[18-Apr-2011 13:40:19] <rmatte> one of my friends quite drinking and made it to over a year so far...
[18-Apr-2011 13:40:22] <rmatte> quit*
[18-Apr-2011 13:40:26] <citrusfizz> i am a nightly drinker my self.
[18-Apr-2011 13:40:26] <rmatte> which is quite impressive
[18-Apr-2011 13:40:34] <rmatte> yeh, so am I
[18-Apr-2011 13:40:44] <citrusfizz> i limit my self to after 9pm
[18-Apr-2011 13:40:49] <citrusfizz> but.. i know its to much
[18-Apr-2011 13:41:08] <rmatte> yeh, the recommended amount is 24 units (24 bottles of beer), per week
[18-Apr-2011 13:41:19] <rmatte> I'm sure I'm at like 70 or something lol
[18-Apr-2011 13:41:30] <rmatte> actually not that bad
[18-Apr-2011 13:41:32] <rmatte> more like 50
[18-Apr-2011 13:41:41] <rmatte> but that's still too much
[18-Apr-2011 13:42:23] <citrusfizz> i switched from beer to vodka and diet  coke (less calories) and only drink 2 drinks  with two shots per drink
[18-Apr-2011 13:42:29] <citrusfizz> only way i could LIMIT my self
[18-Apr-2011 13:42:35] <rmatte> yeh, that's not too bad
[18-Apr-2011 13:43:02] <citrusfizz> plus beer can get expensive
[18-Apr-2011 13:43:09] <citrusfizz> corse my cigars are like 9 bukcs a peice
[18-Apr-2011 13:43:12] <rmatte> yes, yes it does
[18-Apr-2011 13:43:13] <rmatte> lol
[18-Apr-2011 13:43:15] <citrusfizz> man i have to many vices
[18-Apr-2011 13:43:29] <rmatte> that's another thing, I'm saving for a house... and I'll save a ton of money this way
[18-Apr-2011 13:43:34] <citrusfizz> if you quit drinking and cigs you would save your self a ton of money
[18-Apr-2011 13:43:44] <citrusfizz> put all that cash to something awesome to reward your self
[18-Apr-2011 13:44:05] <rmatte> the house would be my reward hehe
[18-Apr-2011 13:44:34] <rmatte> I paid off a 10g credit line that was maxed out and I've just started stashing money in an RRSP
[18-Apr-2011 13:44:35] <citrusfizz> moving up to MN next month and going to start that process to buy a house
[18-Apr-2011 13:44:45] <rmatte> cool
[18-Apr-2011 13:44:56] <citrusfizz> never owned before
[18-Apr-2011 13:45:02] <rmatte> nor have I
[18-Apr-2011 13:45:03] <citrusfizz> tons of info to overwelme me
[18-Apr-2011 13:45:34] <rmatte> yeh
[18-Apr-2011 13:45:41] <rmatte> I think I'm going to get a condo
[18-Apr-2011 13:45:58] <rmatte> no grass to cut, no snow to shovel
[18-Apr-2011 13:46:10] <rmatte> the downside is no BBQ
[18-Apr-2011 13:46:14] <rmatte> but oh well
[18-Apr-2011 13:46:15] <citrusfizz> yeah  those are easier to maintain for sure.  i was thinking of a townhome
[18-Apr-2011 13:46:29] <rmatte> yeh, townhouses aren't bad
[18-Apr-2011 13:46:38] <citrusfizz> i need a garage
[18-Apr-2011 13:46:51] <rmatte> yeh, I'm good without one
[18-Apr-2011 13:47:04] <citrusfizz> basement would be nice too all redone  for a sick home theater
[18-Apr-2011 13:47:11] <rmatte> hehe
[18-Apr-2011 13:47:18] <citrusfizz> what are the house prices like in your area?
[18-Apr-2011 13:47:26] <rmatte> very high
[18-Apr-2011 13:47:40] <rmatte> our house prices just constantly increase
[18-Apr-2011 13:48:01] <citrusfizz> here in santa barbara they are like 400k for a shitty house  but in MN where i am moving its like 200k for a nicer place
[18-Apr-2011 13:48:13] <rmatte> the two bedroom + 1 den condos that I'm looking at go for $250,000
[18-Apr-2011 13:48:43] <Simon4> a one bedroom flat with no carpark in our area goes for £250,000 - your area is cheap
[18-Apr-2011 13:49:02] <rmatte> Simon4: well, this is expensive for Canada, but not for Europe
[18-Apr-2011 13:49:18] <citrusfizz> Simon4: where is that
[18-Apr-2011 13:49:21] <rmatte> Simon4: you guys probably also make more money than we do salarywise
[18-Apr-2011 13:49:36] <Simon4> citrusfizz: central london :/
[18-Apr-2011 13:49:41] <citrusfizz> oh yeah,,
[18-Apr-2011 13:49:45] <Simon4> rmatte: nahh, it's just insanely expensive here
[18-Apr-2011 13:49:52] * Simon4 couldn't afford to buy
[18-Apr-2011 13:50:17] <rmatte> I remember watching something about London where they were explaining that few people actually own their homes, they just sort of rent them from the bank or something...
[18-Apr-2011 13:50:27] <rmatte> or maybe it was paris that they do that
[18-Apr-2011 13:50:28] <rmatte> can't remember
[18-Apr-2011 13:51:09] <citrusfizz> i think i saw something that paris was the most expensive city to live
[18-Apr-2011 13:51:14] <citrusfizz> then tokyo then nyc
[18-Apr-2011 13:51:18] <citrusfizz> if i remember correctly
[18-Apr-2011 13:51:23] <Simon4> paris property prices are definitely scary
[18-Apr-2011 13:51:26] <Simon4> and apartments are tiny
[18-Apr-2011 13:51:40] <rmatte> yeh, I think it was paris... they were showing this 3 bedroom condo (apartment), and it was worth over a million dollars
[18-Apr-2011 13:51:54] <rmatte> and the people living there didn't actually own it, the bank owned the home and they rented it from the bank
[18-Apr-2011 13:51:56] <rmatte> crazy
[18-Apr-2011 13:51:58] <Simon4> €5-600k for a one bedroom flat that's about 33sq m
[18-Apr-2011 13:52:06] <citrusfizz> F that
[18-Apr-2011 13:52:19] <citrusfizz> how the hell are people supposed to get a head when they pay that in rent
[18-Apr-2011 13:52:23] <citrusfizz> just pissing away your $
[18-Apr-2011 13:52:34] <rmatte> that's how banks make money lol
[18-Apr-2011 13:53:23] <rmatte> you'd have to be out of your mind to pay prices like that for a one bedroom flat
[18-Apr-2011 13:53:36] <citrusfizz> well at least you would own it.
[18-Apr-2011 13:53:45] <rmatte> yeh, but holy hell
[18-Apr-2011 13:53:52] <citrusfizz> you would have to be more crazy to pay the rent for something like that
[18-Apr-2011 13:54:27] <rmatte> true, but the mortgage payments on something like that alone would be unmanageable for most
[18-Apr-2011 13:55:39] <rmatte> your whole life would just be paying for the place, you'd barely be able to survive
[18-Apr-2011 13:55:44] <rmatte> certainly wouldn't be able to go out
[18-Apr-2011 14:03:10] <Sam-I-Am> i'm not venturing into home ownership again
[18-Apr-2011 14:03:14] <Sam-I-Am> too much if a pain
[18-Apr-2011 14:03:15] <Sam-I-Am> of
[18-Apr-2011 14:03:24] <Sam-I-Am> probably a bit better with 2 incomes
[18-Apr-2011 14:03:28] <Sam-I-Am> and 2 people to share the work
[18-Apr-2011 14:04:51] <rmatte> yeh, I'm single income, hence the condo
[18-Apr-2011 14:05:00] <rmatte> much less work, and much cheaper
[18-Apr-2011 14:05:20] <rmatte> condo fees suck, but oh well
[18-Apr-2011 14:18:09] <jb> yo sam..
[18-Apr-2011 14:18:10] <jb> you here?
[18-Apr-2011 14:18:20] <jb> or anyone monitoring cisco stuff
[18-Apr-2011 14:26:48] <rmatte> I'm monitoring a lot of Cisco stuff
[18-Apr-2011 14:27:05] <jb> ok, well.. i have some routers that have full routing tables.
[18-Apr-2011 14:27:07] <jb> 350k+ routes
[18-Apr-2011 14:27:16] <jb> try to model that
[18-Apr-2011 14:27:23] <rmatte> remove the routemap plugin
[18-Apr-2011 14:27:33] <Simon4> or restrict the snmp view on the cisco kit
[18-Apr-2011 14:27:33] <rmatte> they'll model in seconds
[18-Apr-2011 14:27:37] <jb> k, thats what I was going to do.
[18-Apr-2011 14:27:42] <jb> hm..
[18-Apr-2011 14:29:20] * Simon4 gets lost in a maze of zcml, javascript and interfaces files
[18-Apr-2011 14:29:30] <rmatte> lol
[18-Apr-2011 14:30:06] <Simon4> Jane's guide is excellent, but it doesn't make the whole thing any less long winded
[18-Apr-2011 14:30:29] <jb> ok
[18-Apr-2011 14:30:36] <jb> i can't figure out where modeling plugins are in 3.1
[18-Apr-2011 14:30:55] <Simon4> jb: "details" on the infrastructure page, then "configuration properties"
[18-Apr-2011 14:31:00] <Simon4> if you want to do it to a device class
[18-Apr-2011 14:31:06] <Simon4> otherwise "configuration properties" on the device
[18-Apr-2011 14:31:10] <jb> just a single device
[18-Apr-2011 14:31:14] <jb> thanks
[18-Apr-2011 14:31:34] <jb> hm
[18-Apr-2011 14:32:39] <rmatte> actually it's under Modeler Plugins
[18-Apr-2011 14:32:41] <rmatte> on the device itself
[18-Apr-2011 14:32:47] <jb> there it is.
[18-Apr-2011 14:32:55] <Simon4> heeey
[18-Apr-2011 14:32:57] <Simon4> that's new
[18-Apr-2011 14:33:00] <rmatte> lol
[18-Apr-2011 14:33:10] <Simon4> and I'm staring at 3.1 right now too
[18-Apr-2011 14:33:46] <Simon4> cool, is the same under device class details
[18-Apr-2011 14:33:51] <rmatte> yup
[18-Apr-2011 14:33:57] <Simon4> that's a nice change tbh, it was always tricky for people to find
[18-Apr-2011 14:34:02] <rmatte> yup
[18-Apr-2011 14:34:30] <rmatte> I really wish they would change the "Device Name:" tag to "Device Label:"
[18-Apr-2011 14:34:38] <rmatte> it's the most common question...
[18-Apr-2011 14:34:46] <rmatte> "I renamed by device but it didn't actually rename it"
[18-Apr-2011 14:34:50] <rmatte> "No, you changed the label"
[18-Apr-2011 14:34:56] <rmatte> by == my
[18-Apr-2011 14:56:48] <JohnnyNoc> hey guys has anyone worked out a good way to dynamically create reports?
[18-Apr-2011 14:57:16] <JohnnyNoc> for exampe, we have a PDU report with all our PDUs, but I want a weekly report with only those that have gone over thresholds
[18-Apr-2011 14:57:29] <JohnnyNoc> there's no 'easy' way to do this is there? 
[18-Apr-2011 14:58:04] <Simon4> JohnnyNoc: you would possibly have to scrape the mysql history to check events on the pdu's, not sure there's a built-in zenoss report type to do that
[18-Apr-2011 14:58:23] <JohnnyNoc> hrm
[18-Apr-2011 14:58:35] <JohnnyNoc> yes, i considered i might have to do that
[18-Apr-2011 14:58:50] <JohnnyNoc> would that be suggested over say, looking in RRD files?
[18-Apr-2011 14:59:21] <Simon4> rrd files won't show you the thresholds, so you would then need to evaluate the thresholds from the templates, then scrape the RRD to see when it went over it
[18-Apr-2011 14:59:52] <Simon4> which wouldn't be a bunch of fun vs a mysql query
[18-Apr-2011 14:59:52] <JohnnyNoc> hrm
[18-Apr-2011 15:00:15] <JohnnyNoc> so i could do the query to return the set of machiens that have crossed this threshold, but can i then somehow dynamically create the report?
[18-Apr-2011 15:00:15] <JohnnyNoc> i dont see any .rpt for graph reports
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Apr 18 15:00:25 <JohnnyNoc>    i could do something generic that would email just a list of hostnames or something, but it would be preferred to be able to include pretty graphs and stuff
Apr 18 15:00:34 <Simon4>    JohnnyNoc: off the top of my head I'm not sure, just speculating about where the data would hide really
Apr 18 15:00:48 <JohnnyNoc>    no problem
Apr 18 15:00:56 <Simon4>    it could be worth a forum post though
Apr 18 15:01:00 <Simon4>    get some eyes across it
Apr 18 15:07:00 <Sam-I-Am>    .
Apr 18 15:07:17 <Simon4>    woop: https://skitch.com/simon-h/r44fh/zenoss-192.168.1.12
Apr 18 15:07:28 *    Simon4 makes the 3.1 ui do cool stuff
Apr 18 15:25:25 *    Simon4 wonders what getForm is when it's at home, and where it's second argument should come from :/
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Apr 18 15:35:52 <LarsN>    should the installation guide for CentOS (core) still be fore 3.0-v5 even though you're now shipping 3.1?
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Apr 18 16:20:57 <rmatte>    LarsN: 3.1 was purely a bugfix release
Apr 18 16:22:40 <rmatte>    Simon4: haha, nice
Apr 18 16:23:12 <rmatte>    HP's SNMP implementation for the HP MSA is incredibly bad
Apr 18 16:23:48 <rmatte>    they don't output sensor values as a regular number it's like: Sensor Name Blah Blah Blah 21C 78F
Apr 18 16:23:49 <rmatte>    or whatever
Apr 18 16:23:59 <Simon4>    argh
Apr 18 16:24:14 <Simon4>    yeah, I pull perf data from the blade chassis via ssh to the OA, everything else sucked
Apr 18 16:24:24 <rmatte>    I'm working on making a pack for it, but it's a pain in the ass.
Apr 18 16:24:37 <Sam-I-Am>    hps snmp implementation seems bad all around
Apr 18 16:24:41 <Sam-I-Am>    at least the switches here suck
Apr 18 16:24:43 <rmatte>    It also groups all of the different kinds of sensors all in to one dataset
Apr 18 16:24:46 <rmatte>    which is also annoying
Apr 18 16:25:32 <akafritz>    hello.  i'm having trouble with twill web monitoring.  tests give an error 'can't fetch relative reference: not viewing any document'.  and when i try to do it from the command line, I get an error: ImportError: No module named twill.shell
Apr 18 16:25:38 <Sam-I-Am>    maybe we all need to go work for companies who have crappy snmp implementations and fix them
Apr 18 16:25:42 <rmatte>    Sam-I-Am: I find that it's not bad for procurve switches
Apr 18 16:26:08 <Sam-I-Am>    procurves, at least mine, seem to give the least amount of information possible
Apr 18 16:26:08 <rmatte>    Sam-I-Am: we'd need an army of people to do that lol
Apr 18 16:26:17 <Sam-I-Am>    i suspect no one really tests their snmp stuff
Apr 18 16:26:17 <rmatte>    really?
Apr 18 16:26:26 <Sam-I-Am>    if they did it wouldnt take long to see how goofed it was
Apr 18 16:26:30 <rmatte>    I monitor lots of procurves and I get the same data that I do for any Cisco device
Apr 18 16:26:32 <Sam-I-Am>    or even running the mib through the mibulator
Apr 18 16:27:01 <Sam-I-Am>    i guess i'm talking mostly about traps (those things you dont like)
Apr 18 16:27:06 <LarsN>    rmatte: so 3.1 doesn't include the relstorage bits
Apr 18 16:27:09 <rmatte>    ah right
Apr 18 16:27:09 <LarsN>    that's terrible
Apr 18 16:27:15 <rmatte>    yeh, their traps blow
Apr 18 16:27:27 <rmatte>    LarsN: correct, they stripped them out from Core
Apr 18 16:27:28 <LarsN>    there was supposed to be a question mark above after bits.
Apr 18 16:27:33 <rmatte>    when they initially had them implemented
Apr 18 16:27:38 <rmatte>    because they are being douchebags
Apr 18 16:27:38 <rmatte>    lol
Apr 18 16:27:40 <LarsN>    Grrrr
Apr 18 16:28:10 <rmatte>    so I envision Core basically staying exactly as it is now
Apr 18 16:28:16 <LarsN>    I don't think we're likely to abandon zenoss, but I do have a project to deply a test zabbix installation.
Apr 18 16:28:19 <rmatte>    and Enterprise getting all of the advancement from this point on
Apr 18 16:28:29 <Simon4>    rmatte: is that official? or just your feeling?
Apr 18 16:28:37 <LarsN>    that's really disappointing.
Apr 18 16:28:41 <rmatte>    Well, based on the way things are going, that's my feeling
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Apr 19 09:25:55 <Simon4>    moo
Apr 19 09:27:03 <creamers>    what are the pre's and cons against Icinga vs Zenoss ?
Apr 19 09:27:07 <JohnnyNoc>    morning guys
Apr 19 09:27:13 *    Sam-I-Am hasnt used icinga
Apr 19 09:27:38 <JohnnyNoc>    could someone tell me what RRD type their ethernetCsmacd_64 template uses for ifHCInOctets?
Apr 19 09:27:47 <Simon4>    counter or derive
Apr 19 09:27:54 <JohnnyNoc>    ours was set to counter, we get these crazy 1448748894% utilization alerts
Apr 19 09:27:58 <Sam-I-Am>    derive
Apr 19 09:28:02 <Simon4>    so make it derive with a minimum of 0
Apr 19 09:28:15 <JohnnyNoc>    ok, i remember from a previous discussion Simon4 had made that suggestion.  jut wanted to see what you guys had
Apr 19 09:28:16 <JohnnyNoc>   
Apr 19 09:28:28 <Sam-I-Am>    i think i made it too
Apr 19 09:28:31 <JohnnyNoc>    does that require me to blow away the currenet RRD?
Apr 19 09:28:50 <Sam-I-Am>    dont think i've ever had a false utilization alarm
Apr 19 09:28:50 <JohnnyNoc>    i remember something about maybe those values only being used during RRD creatino?
Apr 19 09:28:53 <Sam-I-Am>    or threshold
Apr 19 09:29:01 <Sam-I-Am>    theyre in the rrd files
Apr 19 09:29:20 <Sam-I-Am>    not sure if you can hack something to change it on the fly without blowing away your data
Apr 19 09:29:28 <Sam-I-Am>    you can try it and see what happens
Apr 19 09:29:35 <JohnnyNoc>    hm
Apr 19 09:29:44 <jb>    argh.
Apr 19 09:29:55 <jb>    anyone know how to delete a device that won't delete via the gui?
Apr 19 09:29:58 <jb>    zendmd perhaps?
Apr 19 09:30:00 <Simon4>    JohnnyNoc: you can tune it to be derive with min 0 I _think_
Apr 19 09:30:02 <Simon4>    lemme check
Apr 19 09:30:08 *    Simon4 has played this game, long times ago
Apr 19 09:30:21 <JohnnyNoc>    that sounds like what i want to do, but we have historical data for a lot of machines we want to keep
Apr 19 09:30:28 <froztbyte>    creamers: icinga is nagios with updates
Apr 19 09:30:29 <JohnnyNoc>    would this change require me to remove the existing RRD files to take affect?
Apr 19 09:30:36 <JohnnyNoc>    if so, it's a no go unfortunately
Apr 19 09:30:41 <Simon4>    JohnnyNoc: I don't believe so, give me 2 min, I'm uust checking
Apr 19 09:30:47 <froztbyte>    creamers: so you could take any nagios vs zenoss comparison, and it'd be reasonably close
Apr 19 09:30:49 <JohnnyNoc>    Simon4 much appreciated
Apr 19 09:31:09 <creamers>    froztbyte: but what about an agent\
Apr 19 09:31:34 <creamers>    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_network_monitoring_systems
Apr 19 09:33:34 <JohnnyNoc>    gz
Apr 19 09:33:42 <JohnnyNoc>    any idea why someone would set a low cpu idle threshold alert?
Apr 19 09:34:03 <JohnnyNoc>    i mean, i guess if they want to make sure the machine is doing something but seems silly
Apr 19 09:36:02 <Sam-I-Am>    jb: did you check the logs for errors?
Apr 19 09:36:11 <Sam-I-Am>    jb: probably a zope db inconsistency
Apr 19 09:37:04 <froztbyte>    creamers: what about an agent?
Apr 19 09:37:33 <Simon4>    JohnnyNoc: take a copy of a rrd file and try this on it
Apr 19 09:37:39 <froztbyte>    personally I find anything extra above sshd and snmpd a gigantic pain in the arse
Apr 19 09:37:49 <froztbyte>    even snmpd is a stretch, because net-snmp sucks so hard
Apr 19 09:37:51 <Simon4>    rrdtool tune -d ds0:DERIVE -i ds0:0 foo.rrd
Apr 19 09:38:08 <Simon4>    then check it with rrdtool info foo.rrd
Apr 19 09:39:26 <creamers>    froztbyte: can zenoss free edition handle nrpe and nsclient just as good as nagios ?
Apr 19 09:40:40 <froztbyte>    nrpe is remote command exec, innit?
Apr 19 09:40:50 <froztbyte>    and wtf is nsclient?
Apr 19 09:41:13 <froztbyte>    urgh
Apr 19 09:41:18 <froztbyte>    fail agents are fail
Apr 19 09:41:42 <Sam-I-Am>    JohnnyNoc: cpu idle is opposite of cpu use
Apr 19 09:41:49 <Sam-I-Am>    JohnnyNoc: so low idle means its too busy
Apr 19 09:41:59 <froztbyte>    creamers: zenoss supports all nagios plugins/commands/whatever-the-hell-they're-called through zencommand, in terms of output formatting
Apr 19 09:42:09 <froztbyte>    so you just run stuff on remote host and have values
Apr 19 09:42:24 <froztbyte>    why do you ask about nsclient?
Apr 19 09:44:06 <JohnnyNoc>    Simon4 ERROR: opening '-d': No such file or directory
Apr 19 09:44:51 <Simon4>    JohnnyNoc: it might be rrdtool tune foo.rrd -d blah blah ?
Apr 19 09:45:21 <JohnnyNoc>    Simon4 hmm looks like it worked
Apr 19 09:45:24 <creamers>    froztbyte: windows version. We have multiple server outside of our data center. I want a secure way to monitor remote servers on other networks without opening many ports and without wmi/snmp
Apr 19 09:45:33 <JohnnyNoc>    filename = "tmp.rrd"
Apr 19 09:45:33 <JohnnyNoc>    rrd_version = "0003"
Apr 19 09:45:33 <JohnnyNoc>    step = 600
Apr 19 09:45:34 <JohnnyNoc>    last_update = 1297977945
Apr 19 09:45:34 <JohnnyNoc>    ds[ds0].type = "DERIVE"
Apr 19 09:45:34 <JohnnyNoc>    ds[ds0].minimal_heartbeat = 1800
Apr 19 09:45:34 <JohnnyNoc>    ds[ds0].min = 0.0000000000e+00
Apr 19 09:45:34 <JohnnyNoc>    ds[ds0].max = NaN
Apr 19 09:45:35 <JohnnyNoc>    ds[ds0].last_ds = "UNKN"
Apr 19 09:45:35 <JohnnyNoc>    ds[ds0].value = NaN
Apr 19 09:45:36 <JohnnyNoc>    ds[ds0].unknown_sec = 345
Apr 19 09:45:37 <JohnnyNoc>    er, sorry
Apr 19 09:45:39 <Sam-I-Am>    aaaaaaa
Apr 19 09:45:44 *    Sam-I-Am larts JohnnyNoc
Apr 19 09:45:49 <JohnnyNoc>    sorry!  :X
Apr 19 09:45:50 <Simon4>    win
Apr 19 09:45:51 <froztbyte>    creamers: why do you not want to use SNMP/WMI?
Apr 19 09:46:00 <JohnnyNoc>    i'm still not accustomed to using things like pastebin.org
Apr 19 09:46:01 <JohnnyNoc>    :/
Apr 19 09:46:05 <creamers>    froztbyte: not as secure
Apr 19 09:46:18 <froztbyte>    creamers: that's not an answer
Apr 19 09:46:19 <Simon4>    JohnnyNoc: so yeah, you can script that up on the existing rrd's and change the template and you're good to go
Apr 19 09:46:20 <creamers>    rhett: and wmi/snmp over the internet?
Apr 19 09:46:27 <froztbyte>    one short pptp dialup
Apr 19 09:46:30 <froztbyte>    problem solved
Apr 19 09:46:36 <froztbyte>    (pptp + mppe)
Apr 19 09:46:40 <Simon4>    snmpv3 with auth + priv is just fine
Apr 19 09:46:45 <froztbyte>    yes, that too
Apr 19 09:46:45 <Simon4>    AES/SHA
Apr 19 09:47:09 <froztbyte>    Requiring an Encrypted Connection to a Namespace
Apr 19 09:47:15 <froztbyte>    from http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa826354(v=vs.85).aspx
Apr 19 09:47:30 <froztbyte>    not that I know much about WMI, but that seems like encrypted comms to me
Apr 19 09:47:50 <Simon4>    froztbyte: although sitting windows boxes on the internet still scares me
Apr 19 09:48:00 <froztbyte>    Simon4: hey, some people like the excitement
Apr 19 09:48:15 <froztbyte>    Simon4: it's like skydiving without the plane booking
Apr 19 09:49:00 <Simon4>    that sounds kinda like a let down
Apr 19 09:49:11 <froztbyte>    my biggest gripe with all these agents is that the almost always end up supporting a subset of what the rest of the system already provides
Apr 19 09:49:45 <froztbyte>    and whatever they then try to do over time to provide what they still miss then often end up as their own specific set of ugly hacks and code
Apr 19 09:50:09 <froztbyte>    for a very good example of this experience, go deal with zabbix
Apr 19 09:50:42 <froztbyte>    not that I say it's entirely impossible to have a good agent, and things like tivoli etc manage that quite successfully
Apr 19 09:50:56 <froztbyte>    but the rest of the time, I'd rather just not put up with the shit at all
Apr 19 09:50:59 <froztbyte>    Simon4: haha
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Apr 19 09:51:12 <creamers>    froztbyte: an agent gives only values configured when it's hacked. When wmi is hacked it can execute code at the other end...
Apr 19 09:51:13 <tyreza>    hello there
Apr 19 09:51:27 <tyreza>    zenoss is it free ?
Apr 19 09:51:30 <tyreza>    of cost
Apr 19 09:51:32 <tyreza>    ?
Apr 19 09:51:38 <froztbyte>    tyreza: the community edition is
Apr 19 09:51:53 <froztbyte>    creamers: like I said, I don't know much about WMI
Apr 19 09:52:06 <tyreza>    what is the community edition ?
Apr 19 09:52:15 <tyreza>    what differ on community editioN ?
Apr 19 09:52:23 <froztbyte>    creamers: what it sounds like is you should either investigate how you could limit what WMI could do
Apr 19 09:52:31 <froztbyte>    tyreza: your questions are answered on the site
Apr 19 09:52:51 *    Simon4 would be putting a collector in the DC where the windows boxes are, and securing the link to the collector
Apr 19 09:52:56 <JohnnyNoc>    thanks Simon4
Apr 19 09:53:08 <froztbyte>    creamers: ^ there you go
Apr 19 09:53:08 <JohnnyNoc>    you're always super helpful..  cheers
Apr 19 09:53:14 <Simon4>    or just securiing the link to where the windows boxes are anyway
Apr 19 09:53:14 <froztbyte>    a damned fine idea from Simon4
Apr 19 09:53:20 <tyreza>    why we need to use zenoss when there is nagios ?
Apr 19 09:53:24 <tyreza>    what is the difference ?
Apr 19 09:53:37 <froztbyte>    Simon4: the collector is probably an easier way, if they're clustered in places
Apr 19 09:53:41 <creamers>    Simon4: we have more then 200 servers at customers sites and over 500 in our data center
Apr 19 09:53:55 <froztbyte>    Simon4: multiple office sites and I'd definitely go for the pptp-to-monitoring-box option
Apr 19 09:54:02 <Simon4>    creamers: do you run some kind of secure tunnel to these sites?
Apr 19 09:54:19 <Simon4>    or is it single-server-per-site type stuff?
Apr 19 09:54:34 <creamers>    Simon4: no , so we want the work to be done as less as possible
Apr 19 09:54:43 <froztbyte>    tyreza: I used the interlols! docs/DOC-5858;jsessionid=094AF69140B7224ED6AB53CAE7681F97.node0
Apr 19 09:55:10 <creamers>    Simon4: for 200 servers it's 1 - 5 per site stuff
Apr 19 09:56:46 <Simon4>    creamers: so you wanted an agent on each server to call out to your monitoring system vs your monitoring system connecting in?
Apr 19 09:57:12 <tyreza>    why there is a paid when there is a free editioN ?
Apr 19 09:57:29 <tyreza>    why there is a paid version when there is a free version ?
Apr 19 09:57:33 <creamers>    Simon4: or an agents that only does what i told him and only when I ask him
Apr 19 09:58:09 <creamers>    that's why I want to monitor less and no components etc...just what I need
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Apr 19 10:50:41 <jb>    in 3.1, under a device's windows services, do you guys see all windows services, or just the ones that are currently active/being monitored on the host?
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Apr 19 11:47:35 <jb>    ugh, the AJAX stuff is rather clunky sometimes in 3.x.
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Apr 19 12:00:53 <rmatte>    jb: it can be, yes
Apr 19 12:01:07 <rmatte>    they kind of went overboard with it I find
Apr 19 12:01:43 <froztbyte>    /usr/local/zenoss/mysql/scripts/ctl.sh : mysql could not be stopped
Apr 19 12:01:47 <froztbyte>    *grumble*
Apr 19 12:04:06 <jb>    yeah
Apr 19 12:04:10 <jb>    its really pissing me off to be honest
Apr 19 12:04:32 <rmatte>    froztbyte: check if it's already stopped, if not, just kill it by hand, then start it again
Apr 19 12:04:48 <rmatte>    ps aux | grep mysqld
Apr 19 12:04:55 <froztbyte>    rmatte: I know how to deal with it, I just hate having to
Apr 19 12:05:08 <froztbyte>    </3 mysql so very much
Apr 19 12:05:59 <rmatte>    I don't generally have problem with MySQL on any of my boxes
Apr 19 12:06:01 *    rmatte shrugs
Apr 19 12:06:50 <froztbyte>    cheap&nasty theirsql
Apr 19 12:06:52 <froztbyte>   
Apr 19 12:08:37 <jb>    the way that IP/Windows services is handled in this interface is so freaking annoying.
Apr 19 12:08:38 <jb>    ARGH!
Apr 19 12:08:57 <froztbyte>    *waits for the 5k eventqueue backlog to be proceesed*
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Apr 19 12:29:21 <froztbyte>    mysql> set session transaction isolation level read uncommitted;
Apr 19 12:29:22 <froztbyte>    ^ "don't lock when I start this following select query"
Apr 19 12:40:47 <kokey>    now that's very useful
Apr 19 12:41:50 <kokey>    froztbyte: hmmmm, strange i haven't come across this before
Apr 19 12:42:18 <froztbyte>    hehe
Apr 19 12:50:07 <froztbyte>    kokey: you can also s/session/global/ for further hotcakes
Apr 19 12:52:04 <kokey>    yeah i was wondering about the session stuff in particular
Apr 19 12:52:40 <kokey>    e.g. there's this one app i have on the sideline, that for graphical display purposes make some pretty elaborate SELECTs from time to time
Apr 19 12:52:45 <kokey>    but it's nothing crucial
Apr 19 12:53:13 <kokey>    for that i would like it not to lock, but the other stuff i don't want to risk dealing with out of date entries
Apr 19 12:54:37 <kokey>    i may have to do some code changes to make the app do this per type of session
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Apr 19 13:19:58 <froztbyte>    mysql> select count(*) from history;
Apr 19 13:19:58 <froztbyte>    +----------+
Apr 19 13:19:58 <froztbyte>    | count(*) |
Apr 19 13:19:58 <froztbyte>    +----------+
Apr 19 13:19:58 <froztbyte>    | 24951420 |
Apr 19 13:20:00 <froztbyte>    +----------+
Apr 19 13:20:03 <froztbyte>    1 row in set (46 min 36.44 sec)
Apr 19 13:20:09 <froztbyte>    \o/
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Apr 19 13:20:41 <citrusfizz>    whats the correct way to pause zenoss for a period of time
Apr 19 13:20:53 <froztbyte>    pause?
Apr 19 13:21:11 <froztbyte>    maintenance windows? stop the stack?
Apr 19 13:21:17 <citrusfizz>    pause alerts
Apr 19 13:21:21 <citrusfizz>    when i know somethign is going crazy
Apr 19 13:21:29 <citrusfizz>    or is about to
Apr 19 13:22:05 <froztbyte>    put the device into maintenance state
Apr 19 13:22:42 <citrusfizz>    where do i do that
Apr 19 13:22:44 <citrusfizz>    ?
Apr 19 13:22:48 <froztbyte>    rmatte: ^ that amount probably didn't help my life either
Apr 19 13:23:28 <froztbyte>    citrusfizz: as per the docs, go to the device settings, edit the state there
Apr 19 13:23:48 <citrusfizz>    are you talking per device?
Apr 19 13:23:56 <citrusfizz>    i want the whole thing to just chill for a bit
Apr 19 13:24:08 <froztbyte>    then just disable your alerting rules
Apr 19 13:24:11 <froztbyte>    much easier
Apr 19 13:24:24 <froztbyte>    and set up maint windows, etc
Apr 19 13:25:09 <citrusfizz>    unplanned issue here
Apr 19 13:25:18 <citrusfizz>    but i will just disable the alerting rules i guess
Apr 19 13:26:40 <froztbyte>    if things won't flap a lot, you could ack the events pretty soon as they come in
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[19-Apr-2011 16:20:26] <r3ply`> how come i can't find zenmib? is it an external application?
[19-Apr-2011 16:22:39] <Sam-I-Am> running as the wrong user?
[19-Apr-2011 16:22:44] <Sam-I-Am> must be 'zenoss' to do zenoss things
[19-Apr-2011 16:23:18] <r3ply`> that could be it... is there a zenpack you'd recommend for adding mibs?
[19-Apr-2011 16:23:37] <davetoo> What do you want to do with these mibs?
[19-Apr-2011 16:24:14] <davetoo> as far as I know, they're still only useful for decoding traps.
[19-Apr-2011 16:24:27] <r3ply`> my mib is for a snmp proxy server, so I want to load the mib so i can do walks etc
[19-Apr-2011 16:24:58] <davetoo> hmm
[19-Apr-2011 16:25:19] <davetoo> does zenmib load mibs into ~zenoss/.snmp/mibs/ ?
[19-Apr-2011 16:26:36] <r3ply`> i read on someones wiki that zenoss now has a zenpack for adding mibs in the webUI instead of the command line but i can't find it
[19-Apr-2011 16:29:09] <Sam-I-Am> davetoo: no
[19-Apr-2011 16:29:47] <Sam-I-Am> i think theres always been some functionality for adding mibs via ui, but i always do it by command line since so many mibs give problems
[19-Apr-2011 16:30:08] <r3ply`> how do i change users to zenoss?
[19-Apr-2011 16:30:24] <davetoo> indeed; I just tried an "snmptranslate -mALL" and got umpteen hundred errors and one value
[19-Apr-2011 16:30:31] <Sam-I-Am> have you used linux-ish operating systems before?
[19-Apr-2011 16:30:43] <r3ply`> a bit
[19-Apr-2011 16:31:16] <r3ply`> im on gnome, i heard kde is easier for this task
[19-Apr-2011 16:31:40] <Sam-I-Am> so...
[19-Apr-2011 16:31:51] <Sam-I-Am> this all involves a terminal session
[19-Apr-2011 16:32:17] <Sam-I-Am> sudo to root... 'sudo su -' then 'su - zenoss'
[19-Apr-2011 16:32:51] <r3ply`> well that was easy
[19-Apr-2011 16:33:38] <Sam-I-Am> once you're there, all of the zenoss command line utils magically work without anything special
[19-Apr-2011 16:33:40] <davetoo> shouldn't "sudo su - zenoss" in one step give the same environment?
[19-Apr-2011 16:33:41] <Sam-I-Am> like... zenmib
[19-Apr-2011 16:34:11] <Sam-I-Am> davetoo: it should
[19-Apr-2011 16:34:13] <davetoo> assuming the beginning user has sudo rights to execute 'su'
[19-Apr-2011 16:34:26] <r3ply`> ya just running a zenmib run -v 10 now
[19-Apr-2011 16:34:40] <Sam-I-Am> on my systems theres some sudo rules which prevent jumping users like that
[19-Apr-2011 16:34:46] <davetoo>
[19-Apr-2011 16:34:47] <r3ply`> ahh found 0 mibs to import
[19-Apr-2011 16:35:04] <Sam-I-Am> you need to put the mibs in the right place
[19-Apr-2011 16:35:16] <Sam-I-Am> and sometimes tell zenoss which ones specifically to import
[19-Apr-2011 16:35:34] <r3ply`> i put them in /opt/zenoss/share/mibs/site/newfolder/mymib.mib
[19-Apr-2011 16:36:30] <Sam-I-Am> i believe it doesnt look in directories under mibs/site, only within it
[19-Apr-2011 16:37:02] <davetoo> If you did that as root, make sure that the zenoss user can read those files.
[19-Apr-2011 16:38:01] <Sam-I-Am> docs/DOC-2450
[19-Apr-2011 16:38:12] <davetoo> ok, I'
[19-Apr-2011 16:38:21] <davetoo> m trying to study something else and I can't do both
[19-Apr-2011 16:38:24] <davetoo> be back later
[19-Apr-2011 16:57:16] <r3ply`> my mib is acutally a .txt doc does that matter
[19-Apr-2011 16:57:37] <Sam-I-Am> nope... as long as its plain text and not a word doc or something
[19-Apr-2011 17:27:11] <citrusfizz> anyone have issue querying windows 2008r2 machines with wmi?
[19-Apr-2011 17:27:14] <citrusfizz> with zenoss ofc
[19-Apr-2011 17:56:47] <citrusfizz> does zenoss have issues with 64 bit windows and wmi?
[19-Apr-2011 17:58:28] <rmatte> citrusfizz: not that I've seen
[19-Apr-2011 17:59:10] <rmatte> citrusfizz: I monitor quite a few 64bit windows boxes via WMI
[19-Apr-2011 17:59:28] <rmatte> WMI on 2008 is definitely worse than on 2003 though
[19-Apr-2011 17:59:32] <rmatte> very temperamental
[19-Apr-2011 18:00:02] <rmatte> I've moved to just monitoring via WMI when absolutely necessary, and using SNMP for everything else
[19-Apr-2011 18:02:27] <citrusfizz> rmatte: uggg i am getting frustrated.   i need to monitor a mssql server,    problem is with nomal snmp port monitoring it doesn't pick up 1433 (ms-sql)   so used the nmap plugin,  well that picks it up but i can't monitor it, it wont tell me when its down.  so i tried WMI and even tho all my other machines are working on this domain for some reason this 2008r2 server says bad user/pass
[19-Apr-2011 18:03:23] <rmatte> Yeh, I've come across servers before that absolutely refused to work via WMI, no matter what I tried
[19-Apr-2011 18:03:45] <rmatte> After working with WMI for the last year I'm blown away at how crappy it is
[19-Apr-2011 18:03:45] <rmatte> lol
[19-Apr-2011 18:04:55] <Sam-I-Am> seen problems here too
[19-Apr-2011 18:04:57] <Sam-I-Am> <3 microsoft
[19-Apr-2011 18:05:25] <rmatte> citrusfizz: ah, I noticed something that might be causing your problem man
[19-Apr-2011 18:05:52] <rmatte> citrusfizz: try the discovery with SNMP again, but in to the zProperties for the device and change zIpServiceMapMaxPort to something higher
[19-Apr-2011 18:06:04] <rmatte> the default is 1024, which is why it wouldn't be seeing your port 1433
[19-Apr-2011 18:06:16] <rmatte> go in to*
[19-Apr-2011 18:06:17] <rmatte> rather
[19-Apr-2011 18:06:20] <citrusfizz> shit if that works i am dumping wmi
[19-Apr-2011 18:06:25] <rmatte>
[19-Apr-2011 18:06:36] <rmatte> I hope it does, but it would make sense that that's what's causing your problem
[19-Apr-2011 18:09:03] <citrusfizz> how do i run the modeler on a specific device class again?
[19-Apr-2011 18:26:11] <QbY> What would cause Zenoss not to model a device.  snmpwalk with the same info (community, ip) returns back all the interfaces, but Zenoss wont
[19-Apr-2011 18:37:59] <citrusfizz> rmatte: i got it to show up with just snmp.ipservicemap by changing that to a higher number like you said.  so now i see "ms-sql-s tcp 1433 0.0.0.0 true"    for a host i just modeled.     so i go shut off the service on that machine to test if it will generate an event.    it does not..  any reason why that might be?   i have it set to monitored=ture
[19-Apr-2011 18:38:00] <citrusfizz> true
[19-Apr-2011 19:06:24] <nyeates> r3ply, there is a mib GUI you can download
[19-Apr-2011 19:06:59] <nyeates> docs/DOC-3412 MIB-Browser
[19-Apr-2011 19:07:50] <r3ply`> nyeates, thanks! only i'm on v3
[19-Apr-2011 19:22:25] <nyeates> d'oh
[19-Apr-2011 19:22:35] <nyeates> i nt know it was for an old zenoss version
[19-Apr-2011 19:54:45] <citrusfizz> so i set an ip service to monitored=true,   modeled a device with that ip service (port)   after it detected the port i shut off that service on the computer (port is now closed)   yet zenoss still shows it as UP and isn't throwing an error,    am i missing something?
[19-Apr-2011 20:59:23] <r3ply`> i suck at snmp, anyone recommend some docs?
[19-Apr-2011 20:59:31] <r3ply`> snmp and mib files
[19-Apr-2011 21:01:42] <Sam-I-Am> what in particular?
[19-Apr-2011 21:02:27] <r3ply`> like my mib file is from a proxy server, the same server which all my devices connect to, i can't do snmp locally from each device
[19-Apr-2011 21:03:18] <r3ply`> so when i get values i get them in a table with an id number and the value, how i separate each device in zenoss
[19-Apr-2011 21:04:04] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, i've never done snmp by proxy
[19-Apr-2011 21:04:26] <Sam-I-Am> for my stuff i've deployed separate collectors within those networks i cant contact directly with the zenoss server
[19-Apr-2011 21:05:16] <r3ply`> my devices (from the manuf.) will only send snmp to the main server
[19-Apr-2011 21:07:00] <Sam-I-Am> main server as in... main zenoss server? or this proxy device
[19-Apr-2011 21:07:14] <r3ply`> main server as in the proxy device.
[19-Apr-2011 21:07:31] <Sam-I-Am> which couldnt be replaced by the zenoss server or collector?
[19-Apr-2011 21:07:33] <r3ply`> i've added it as a device in zenoss
[19-Apr-2011 21:08:05] <r3ply`> apparently not
[19-Apr-2011 21:08:28] <Sam-I-Am> what are these things?
[19-Apr-2011 21:10:17] <r3ply`> i think what happens is there is already a pull of important values somehow via the manuf. code, and these codes get stored in a database on the same server, which is used by the device configuration utility... then, the server (i think) kinda uses the database to serve some important values via snmp
[19-Apr-2011 21:11:33] <r3ply`> and these codes = wtf?? and these values*
[19-Apr-2011 21:12:03] <Sam-I-Am> uh, weird
[19-Apr-2011 21:12:08] <Sam-I-Am> whats this equipment?
[19-Apr-2011 21:12:12] <Sam-I-Am> so i dont buy it..
[19-Apr-2011 21:12:31] <r3ply`> haha, unless you wanna drop $1000/device...
[19-Apr-2011 21:12:45] <r3ply`> they're vsat gateways
[19-Apr-2011 21:12:58] <Sam-I-Am> huh..
[19-Apr-2011 21:13:12] <Sam-I-Am> sounds wonderfully proprietary
[19-Apr-2011 21:14:24] <Sam-I-Am> i dont know how zenoss would consider them multiple devices if it only has the proxy server monitored.  sounds like you might need to write a collector plugin to split the different devices out as components of the proxy server... then write your event transforms to handle components of the proxy server
[19-Apr-2011 21:14:52] <r3ply`> extremely proprietary, but the base operating system is linux, a very hackedup rhel or something
[19-Apr-2011 21:15:33] <Sam-I-Am> if you're only monitoring with traps, you could use event transforms to break out the individual devices from the contents of the traps
[19-Apr-2011 21:16:10] <r3ply`> my other thought was to put the values right back into a database table,
[19-Apr-2011 21:16:22] <r3ply`> know any good utils for that?
[19-Apr-2011 21:18:19] <Sam-I-Am> so you'd have zenoss run a command to read the db?
[19-Apr-2011 21:18:50] <r3ply`> or something to that effect.
[19-Apr-2011 21:19:44] <Sam-I-Am> not sure how you'd get them into a db, but you could write a script for zenoss to run to check the values and do stuff with them
[19-Apr-2011 21:20:08] <Sam-I-Am> i bet the manuf of those devices sells a nice expensive proprietary monitoring system
[19-Apr-2011 21:20:23] <r3ply`> yea see now that would be awesome... if only there was a yum install snmp->mysql
[19-Apr-2011 21:21:30] <Sam-I-Am> lol
[19-Apr-2011 21:21:42] <Sam-I-Am> it wouldnt be too bad
[19-Apr-2011 21:22:00] <Sam-I-Am> use snmpwalk... store values in mysql
[19-Apr-2011 21:22:05] <Sam-I-Am> for traps, use snmptrapd
[19-Apr-2011 21:22:11] <Sam-I-Am> python is your friend
[19-Apr-2011 21:23:13] <r3ply`> Im just starting to code, i'm in C# classes next month, imma have to look into some python in meantime
[19-Apr-2011 21:23:42] <Sam-I-Am> imho python would be the way to go... the language of zenoss
[19-Apr-2011 21:23:45] <Sam-I-Am> would help with integration
[19-Apr-2011 21:24:07] <Sam-I-Am> learning python makes all sorts of things possible with zenoss
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Apr 20 09:55:36 <Simon4>    kokey: yeah, is great
Apr 20 09:56:21 <kokey>    Simon4: too bad i have to work myself silly at the moment
Apr 20 09:56:26 <kokey>    can't wait for the end of the contract
Apr 20 09:56:35 <kokey>    don't have anything new lined up but I can do with a breather
Apr 20 09:56:36 <Simon4>    here's hoping the weather holds out
Apr 20 09:56:50 <Simon4>    what are you looking for? general linux sysadmin foo?
Apr 20 09:56:58 <kokey>    it could rain sleet sideways in two weeks time i'll be happy not to work here any more
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Apr 20 09:57:17 <kokey>    yeah general linux sysadmin foo
Apr 20 09:57:31 <kokey>    i'm usually a system adminitrator, and get thrown a monitoring project
Apr 20 09:57:45 <Simon4>   
Apr 20 09:57:50 <kokey>    lots of work out there
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Apr 20 09:58:00 <kokey>    though not at the rate i want, but they do happen
Apr 20 09:58:13 <Simon4>    I could suggest the DMI project here at the BBC, but I'm not that cruel
Apr 20 09:58:15 <kokey>    but i'm tempted to take a slight pay cut just to have a bit less stress
Apr 20 09:58:31 <kokey>    well i could hook you up with a job here if i want to get you back
Apr 20 09:58:41 <Simon4>    they want people I think, but it's not a pleasant place to be due to stress and freaky project management
Apr 20 09:58:44 <Simon4>    (I'm not at DMI)
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Apr 20 09:58:58 <kokey>    there is some build engineer thing for sky's VOD platform overhaul going but i missed out on that one
Apr 20 09:59:10 <kokey>    yeah freaky project management
Apr 20 09:59:16 <kokey>    we are getting a project manager tomorrow
Apr 20 09:59:18 <kokey>    for my project
Apr 20 09:59:25 <Simon4>    I'm quite enjoying being a "network engineer" atm, am fast brushing up my actual networking skills
Apr 20 09:59:37 <kokey>    he can manage my last 3 days here of doing a handover
Apr 20 10:00:00 <kokey>    i actually asked my boss and his boss yesterday what do i need to complete before i leave and i don't hear a thing back
Apr 20 10:00:02 *    Sam-I-Am is a network engineer, but somehow got zenoss lol
Apr 20 10:00:08 <Simon4>    Sam-I-Am: hehe
Apr 20 10:00:13 <kokey>    hehe
Apr 20 10:00:29 <Simon4>    I haven't done any day-to-day zenoss in 3-4 months now
Apr 20 10:00:30 <kokey>    actually, O2 is looking for a systems engineer for their coming public wifi thing
Apr 20 10:00:47 <Simon4>    other than being an end user, which is kinda fun
Apr 20 10:00:47 <kokey>    who is someone who can do networks and systems stuff
Apr 20 10:00:58 <Sam-I-Am>    maybe i need to move to england
Apr 20 10:01:03 <Simon4>    that would be a fun project
Apr 20 10:01:04 <Sam-I-Am>    o wait, the weather is worse than here
Apr 20 10:01:08 <Simon4>    Sam-I-Am: not today!
Apr 20 10:01:10 <kokey>    but for 340/day they want someone who can do lots of network stuff and can do like mysql and python etc.

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[20-Apr-2011 10:01:52] <kokey> i am being offered a job at some casino startup
[20-Apr-2011 10:01:54] <kokey> but it's perm
[20-Apr-2011 10:01:56] <kokey> sounds quite nice
[20-Apr-2011 10:02:04] <Sam-I-Am> as long as it pays the bills
[20-Apr-2011 10:02:05] <kokey> i think i'll tell them i'll bite but let's do a 3 month contract
[20-Apr-2011 10:02:14] <kokey> and see from there
[20-Apr-2011 10:02:17] <Sam-I-Am> whats the draw to contract work?
[20-Apr-2011 10:02:45] <kokey> well normally it pays more and you get more money out since you can be flexible with tax
[20-Apr-2011 10:02:47] <Sam-I-Am> over here in the US its an opportunity for the company to screw you on benefits
[20-Apr-2011 10:02:54] <kokey> i can't be flexible with tax
[20-Apr-2011 10:03:05] <kokey> so that advantage of contracting is no use for me at the moment
[20-Apr-2011 10:03:10] <kokey> until my immigration situation changes
[20-Apr-2011 10:03:38] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: any decent perm job here you lose over 40% of your income on tax, at least
[20-Apr-2011 10:03:50] <kokey> the other advantage of contracting is that it's easier to take time off
[20-Apr-2011 10:03:59] <Sam-I-Am> true
[20-Apr-2011 10:04:02] <kokey> since they don't pay you for leave, if you want to take off 1 month in a year, you have that
[20-Apr-2011 10:09:29] <nyeates> headhunters seek u out for that casino thing kokey?
[20-Apr-2011 10:12:47] <kokey> nyeates: naw just usual agencies
[20-Apr-2011 10:13:23] <kokey> nyeates: i worked for partygaming for 3 years until last year so i think it attracts them somehow
[20-Apr-2011 10:13:33] <kokey> (the people behind partypoker)
[20-Apr-2011 10:18:05] <subbu> Hi All I am monitoring one server through WMI in zenoss Whem i am modeling i am getting the below error can any one please help me in this
[20-Apr-2011 10:18:15] <subbu> [librpc/rpc/dcerpc_connect.c:790:dcerpc_pipe_connect_b_recv()] failed NT status (c00000b5) in dcerpc_pipe_connect_b_recv
[20-Apr-2011 10:18:34] <subbu> 2011-04-20 09:57:59,065 WARNING zen.PythonClient: Error in community.wmi.NewDeviceMap: Connection error NT_STATUS_IO_TIMEOUT
[20-Apr-2011 11:06:30] <Sashness> subbu: i got that before and the problem was the permissions for the user i was using to connect via WMI
[20-Apr-2011 11:25:47] <kokey> ok
[20-Apr-2011 11:26:00] <kokey> changing time back one hour on zenoss box
[20-Apr-2011 11:26:02] <kokey> wish me luck
[20-Apr-2011 11:28:50] <Sam-I-Am> lol
[20-Apr-2011 11:28:56] <Sam-I-Am> got a time problem?
[20-Apr-2011 11:32:20] <kokey> ugh
[20-Apr-2011 11:50:04] <citrusfizz> I feel like i am missing a setting or something,     so i set ms-sql-s ip service to monitored=true,   modeled a device that had that port running and after it detected the port i shut off that service on the computer (port is now closed)   yet zenoss still shows it as UP and isn't throwing an error,    can someone enlighten me?
[20-Apr-2011 11:59:00] <kokey> argh
[20-Apr-2011 11:59:10] <kokey> they managed to convince me to extend my contract for 3 more weeks
[20-Apr-2011 12:00:10] <Simon4> tehehe
[20-Apr-2011 12:00:20] <Simon4> "we've realised that we haven't done any handover, oh crap"
[20-Apr-2011 12:00:35] <kokey> yeah that's very accurate
[20-Apr-2011 12:02:09] <kokey> oh well since i haven't had an offer yet from anywhere else i can do with 3 more weeks
[20-Apr-2011 12:02:18] <kokey> but i'm going to take days off for interviews etc.
[20-Apr-2011 12:02:36] <kokey> oh wait i've had one offer actually
[20-Apr-2011 12:27:23] <willwh> hi folks
[20-Apr-2011 12:27:46] zooko is now known as zookophone
[20-Apr-2011 12:29:27] <sergeymasushko> hi guys. is there a way to make bulk update of the entries in the graph report? I'd like to remove the "Component:..." from the header... it makes me crazy to do it one-by-one on  40+ tntries...
[20-Apr-2011 12:37:17] <willwh> hey guys - is it possible to monitor ec2 instances in core?
[20-Apr-2011 12:38:04] <willwh> docs/DOC-4423
[20-Apr-2011 12:38:10] <willwh> answered my own question
[20-Apr-2011 12:42:28] <kokey> hehe
[20-Apr-2011 12:48:15] <kokey> froztbyte: did you apply that mysql dirty read thing to a zenoss installation?
[20-Apr-2011 13:05:37] <froztbyte> kokey: yup
[20-Apr-2011 13:05:54] <froztbyte> on one box I needed to get load down
[20-Apr-2011 13:10:03] <nyeates> btw, running an event to get zenpacks updated....a lot are old and need to be updated to zenoss 3.0
[20-Apr-2011 13:10:05] <nyeates> blogs/zenossblog/2011/04/19/spring-into-bling-zenpack-upgrade-event
[20-Apr-2011 13:10:24] <Simon4> nice timing
[20-Apr-2011 13:10:33] * Simon4 nearly has the blade chassis zenpack all v3 shiny
[20-Apr-2011 13:10:46] <nyeates> a nice!
[20-Apr-2011 13:12:23] <Sam-I-Am> .
[20-Apr-2011 13:15:52] <nyeates> Simon4: run into any implementation issues?
[20-Apr-2011 13:16:01] <Sam-I-Am> nyeates: sup
[20-Apr-2011 13:17:43] <nyeates> hola
[20-Apr-2011 13:18:46] <nyeates> sick kid is wassup for me... hope she gets better soon
[20-Apr-2011 13:19:53] <nyeates> SImon4: make sure you send an email my way when the ZP is done: community@zenoss.com
[20-Apr-2011 13:20:03] <Sam-I-Am> eww, sick kids
[20-Apr-2011 13:21:55] <nyeates> also, I cant get the nick 'wumpus' out of my head....heh, its so funny sounding
[20-Apr-2011 13:22:05] <nyeates> heya dave
[20-Apr-2011 13:22:15] <davetoo> howdy
[20-Apr-2011 13:22:40] <davetoo> 'snew?
[20-Apr-2011 13:24:48] <nyeates> mmm, read topic....also i am hoping to learn some git b/c of this event...i dont know enough as is and should
[20-Apr-2011 13:26:31] <davetoo> I was forced to learn it, essentially, by project needs.
[20-Apr-2011 13:36:59] <LW> so... I just jumped from 2.4.1 to 2.5.2..... on my way to 3.1..... How bad are the issues with 2.5.2?  I'm running into all sorts of fun little issues
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[20-Apr-2011 13:44:45] <nyeates> 2.5.2 shouldnt be too bad
[20-Apr-2011 13:45:52] <nyeates> jump from 2.5.2 to 3.* might be not fun since a lot changes
[20-Apr-2011 13:46:53] <nyeates> just depends on how many problems you start out with....if you have a lto of issues that you didnt know about in the background and do an upgrade....bam, they will hit you
[20-Apr-2011 13:47:06] <nyeates> i alwas check as many log files for crazy errors before an upgrade
[20-Apr-2011 13:47:35] <Sashness> LW: nyeates is right. i would setup a test environment that is close enough to your current 2.5.2 install and then upgrade it to see what breaks
[20-Apr-2011 13:47:51] <Sashness> or just install from fresh and reconfigure everything but thats a bit time consuming
[20-Apr-2011 13:50:01] <nyeates> hi sashness, i dont thihk ive seen you around b4
[20-Apr-2011 13:51:13] <Sashness> hey nyeates. I've been running for zenoss for a couple of months at work but only joined the chat room 2-3 weeks ago
[20-Apr-2011 13:52:53] <nyeates> great. welcome! want me to put you on the email reminder for our bi-weekly dev meetings?
[20-Apr-2011 13:56:52] <Sam-I-Am> LW: i like 2.5.2
[20-Apr-2011 13:58:48] <nyeates> blood.sweat.tears went into it.... well ok, maybe just sweat from our furiously typing hands
[20-Apr-2011 14:07:06] <Sashness> myeates: sure. i didn't even know there was bi weekly dev meetings. lol
[20-Apr-2011 14:07:09] <Sashness> check pm
[20-Apr-2011 14:29:41] zooko is now known as zookoafk
[20-Apr-2011 14:46:22] <jb> hrm
[20-Apr-2011 14:46:30] <jb> my cisco traps aren't working again and I can't remember how I fixed it
[20-Apr-2011 14:47:04] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[20-Apr-2011 14:50:02] <jb> oh, iptables.
[20-Apr-2011 14:53:16] <LW> okay, i think i've got two outstanding odd issues, but i'm trying to fix some network issues since I also moved my zenoss install to a new server on a different network, so dealing with that stuff first, then I may jump to 3.x, although zenping seems to be doa for me right now
[20-Apr-2011 14:57:29] <gemineye> I had installed and then removed the zenperfwmi Zenpack but now I'm getting heartbeat failures for it even after it's uninstalled. Is there a way to get Zenoss to checking for that heartbeat?
[20-Apr-2011 14:57:51] <gemineye> To stop checking that is
[20-Apr-2011 15:06:48] <subbu> Hi All can any one please help me out how to fix this error "Could not get WMI Instance (Connection error NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED)"
[20-Apr-2011 15:34:05] <LW> so I'm having a weird sense of deja vu... I've got my 2.5.2 install up, but events that have cleared, like, I fixed network connectivity, are never actually clearing from the event list, any hints?  I remember something like this around version 2.0, but its been a long time
[20-Apr-2011 15:35:34] <jb> ok, some of my cisco interface graphs have gaps in them.
[20-Apr-2011 15:35:37] <jb> ever seen that?
[20-Apr-2011 15:38:13] <LW> nvrmind my last, looks like I've got people with some gear down which actually explains it
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[20-Apr-2011 15:38:42] <LW> jb: what kind of network capacity?
[20-Apr-2011 15:39:32] <jb> erm, its a gbit link
[20-Apr-2011 15:39:36] <jb> but only doing 60-70megs
[20-Apr-2011 15:57:07] <LW> are you collecting 64bit counters?
[20-Apr-2011 15:57:51] <LW> question for the gurus: Did the logic behind auto-event clearing change between 2.4.1 and 2.5.2?
[20-Apr-2011 16:11:06] <LW> isent it trigger driven, so if I upgraded, I possibly didn't get some events database update?
[20-Apr-2011 16:45:42] <gemineye> So, does anyone know how to stop checking for heartbeats?
[20-Apr-2011 20:14:26] <LW> Question:  I have some perl scripting setup with a template which hourly that checks my FiberChannel pathing for my ESX servers, it typically takes 15-30 seconds to execute, and for some reason on 2.5.2, it decides that the commands have timed out.  Any hints or will I need to go dig at the code?
[20-Apr-2011 20:48:40] <MrCerulean> Is it possible to change the name of IP processes? We're re-using some standard ports and want the labels to reflect our use, not the standard.
[20-Apr-2011 21:27:44] <LW> MrCerulean: in my experience its possible, you can go into the services/ipservices object and change the name in there, worse comes to worse you can just delete them and re-add them with your desired name
[20-Apr-2011 21:41:49] <MrCerulean> LW: Thanks, I'll try that.
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[21-Apr-2011 02:11:18] <mistich1> knock knock
[21-Apr-2011 02:11:53] <mistich1> anyone awake?
[21-Apr-2011 02:13:20] <hungnv> not me
[21-Apr-2011 02:20:35] <mistich1> any good ideas for getting rid of KEY ERRORS in the zopedb
[21-Apr-2011 02:22:10] <mistich> sorry closed the window
[21-Apr-2011 02:22:28] <mistich> did you have a answer
[21-Apr-2011 03:04:15] <avdhoot> how i can set alert in zenoss core3
[21-Apr-2011 03:15:21] <avdhoot> got it thanks
[21-Apr-2011 03:16:52] <kotique> Problem while executing plugin zenoss.snmp.NewDeviceMap
[21-Apr-2011 03:16:57] <kotique> if om.snmpOid:
[21-Apr-2011 03:16:57] <kotique>  AttributeError: ObjectMap instance has no attribute 'snmpOid'
[21-Apr-2011 03:45:28] <kotique> what's newdevicemap modeler plugin and why is it needed if we've got devicemap already?
[21-Apr-2011 08:08:22] <kokey> hmmm
[21-Apr-2011 08:08:31] <kokey> now the challenge of setting maintenance windows through zendmd
[21-Apr-2011 08:08:39] <kokey> reason being that the interface doesn't let me do it right
[21-Apr-2011 08:15:47] <Sam-I-Am> interface works fine here
[21-Apr-2011 08:15:59] <Sam-I-Am> ->office
[21-Apr-2011 08:17:55] <kokey> 3.x?
[21-Apr-2011 08:18:07] <kokey> for some reason i can never set it to a day other than today
[21-Apr-2011 08:18:18] <kokey> basically, we have a change window every saturday
[21-Apr-2011 08:18:23] <kokey> setting that, should be easy
[21-Apr-2011 08:18:28] <kokey> in theory
[21-Apr-2011 08:38:10] <JohnnyNoc> hey guys
[21-Apr-2011 08:38:34] <JohnnyNoc> i'm trying to alert when machines hit a certain % of swap used, however i'm having a problem..  this doesn't appear to work here.os.totalSwap / 1000 *  0.10
[21-Apr-2011 08:39:06] <JohnnyNoc> it looks like it's alerting when the machine has more than 10% of the totalSwap, when i want it to alert hwen more than 10% is being used
[21-Apr-2011 08:39:36] <JohnnyNoc> is it something other than here.os.totalSwap i'm looking for?
[21-Apr-2011 08:50:05] <kokey> as far as i know you alert on how much swap is left, like a minimum value
[21-Apr-2011 08:50:40] <kokey> but mine's just a static 8GB, it's not working it out
[21-Apr-2011 08:51:27] <kokey> hmmm, i'm wondering if maintenance windows on subclasses override that of parent classes
[21-Apr-2011 08:51:47] <kokey> e.g. if i set a default maintenance window for all systems, but then on some sub systems do something a little different
[21-Apr-2011 09:08:13] <Sam-I-Am> moo.
[21-Apr-2011 09:12:01] <Sashness> anyone else running distributed collectors with core?
[21-Apr-2011 09:13:37] <Sashness> i'm having an issue where by multi-graphs will only show data from data sources on the first collector it encounters
[21-Apr-2011 09:14:11] <kokey> oh the exotic multi graphs
[21-Apr-2011 09:14:34] <kokey> no idea on distributed collectors, few people get them working at all
[21-Apr-2011 09:14:44] <kokey> the multi graphs that is
[21-Apr-2011 09:15:42] <Sashness> hehe
[21-Apr-2011 09:16:35] <Sashness> i must be one of the lucky ones until now. They've been a great tool but now with distributed collectors, I can't see items from different collectors on a single graph. Funny enough, if i use separate graphs, everything is displayed
[21-Apr-2011 09:16:53] <Sashness> i'm to the point where I will be debugging python next to figure this out
[21-Apr-2011 09:20:31] <Sam-I-Am> sup rocket
[21-Apr-2011 09:21:48] <rocket> not much and you?
[21-Apr-2011 09:22:02] <rocket> well alot really .. but its common for me to say not much ..
[21-Apr-2011 09:22:19] <rocket> my boss is out for 4 days and I get his cases plus mine .. its all good
[21-Apr-2011 09:29:08] <Sam-I-Am> woot
[21-Apr-2011 09:29:11] * Sam-I-Am opens more cases
[21-Apr-2011 09:29:31] <Sam-I-Am> not too bad here... just busy with not-so-zenossy stuff
[21-Apr-2011 09:29:44] <Sam-I-Am> the new box is in full production... dismantling the old one in a week
[21-Apr-2011 09:59:02] <kokey> i'm busy documenting stuff
[21-Apr-2011 10:22:15] <LW> question: I have a command setup to run once an hour through a template, the command typically takes 15-30 seconds to execute per host, although regardless of my command timeout settings, zenoss 2.5.2 seems to be flagging it as timed out.  Any suggestions or ideas?
[21-Apr-2011 10:49:32] <St3v3o> Good Moring/Afternoon
[21-Apr-2011 11:04:23] <JohnnyNoc> LW have you checked ZcommandCommandTimeout value in zProperties?
[21-Apr-2011 11:04:33] <JohnnyNoc> looks like mine is by default set to 15s
[21-Apr-2011 11:04:57] <JohnnyNoc> meaning if yours is too, and the command takes longer than 15s, might make sense why it's timing out
[21-Apr-2011 11:07:46] <LW> JohnnyNoc: already set to 2 minutes   althought just turned on debugging and I caught an execution where it took 76 seconds... so something is afoot
[21-Apr-2011 11:28:23] <Sashness> i'm having trouble exporting my zenpack. When i login to my devel environment and view the zenpack info, i see my monitoring templates and processes bound to the zenpack, however after i export it and load it into a secondary environment, none of that stuff is there anymore. Only thing that seems to be there is the file i manually copied into /libexec in the zenpack directory. how do i include all the monitoring templates etc into my own zenpack?
[21-Apr-2011 12:06:02] <Sashness1> so i figured out what my problem was. The name on the data source for my template had a space in it. Once i got rid of the space i was able to export everything correctly
[21-Apr-2011 12:06:24] <Sashness1> which shortly after i realized i found a ton of bugs. lol
[21-Apr-2011 12:06:24] <Sashness1> in my zenpack that is
[21-Apr-2011 12:24:41] <LW> JohnnyNoc: looks like my issue may be time related, when all of the jobs are firing off at the same few moments, the database queries go to a complete crawl it seems even though its a very small number of records, I guess its just enough to sometimes send it over the edge
[21-Apr-2011 12:30:55] <JohnnyNoc> LW happy to know you figured it out
[21-Apr-2011 12:30:56] <JohnnyNoc>
[21-Apr-2011 12:37:15] <LW> JohnnyNoc: yeah... just the times are crazy, 178 seconds with zenoss firing the jobs off, versues 3 in a recent test, after I added indexes to the database it was hitting

[21-Apr-2011 14:12:32] <JohnnyNoc> LW sorry I don't know that I  have an answer for that [21-Apr-2011 14:12:45] <JohnnyNoc> however if you truly  have  those kinds of problems because of the db maybe you should consider  taking some steps to tune mysql/zope? [21-Apr-2011 14:12:56] <JohnnyNoc> or move zenoss to a faster  filesystem [21-Apr-2011 14:13:08] <JohnnyNoc> but perhaps there's an answer  to your question i just don't know, i'm still a zenoss noob [21-Apr-2011 14:25:18] <LW> JohnnyNoc: turns out it seems to be  depetion of /dev/random [21-Apr-2011 14:33:56] <davetoo> by what? [21-Apr-2011 14:46:01] <LW> crypto being accessed by the script  which also talks to the database [21-Apr-2011 14:46:24] <LW> so whenever I ran it, it was fine,  whenever everything ran together, there was insufficent random data [21-Apr-2011 14:46:32] <davetoo> d'oh! [21-Apr-2011 14:49:33] <JohnnyNoc> wow, that's interesting [21-Apr-2011 14:54:55] <rocket> http://www.entropykey.co.uk/ [21-Apr-2011 15:56:28] <JohnnyNoc> does anyone else here  accidentally type pythong [21-Apr-2011 17:02:51] <Sam-I-Am> oh hell what a disaster of a day [21-Apr-2011 17:09:35] <gemineye> When I click on the Components  > HardDisk and Components > Processors, I get an error from the  server that states either NotFound PHYSICALDRIVE0 or NotFound CPU0.  Anyone seen this before? The server is running Windows 2003 R2. [21-Apr-2011 17:11:12] <gemineye> Zenoss is running on Centos 5.5,  the server being monitored is the Windows box. [21-Apr-2011 17:12:39] <St3v3o> gemineye…let me go though those  steps…I have a similar setup [21-Apr-2011 17:13:24] <St3v3o> what version of zenoss [21-Apr-2011 17:14:13] <St3v3o> and nope I don't see the issue I"m  on zenoss 3.x [21-Apr-2011 17:14:20] <St3v3o> 3.1 actually [21-Apr-2011 17:38:25] <sako> hey all we recently switched up our  apache servers ports... i am now getting heartbeat failures thrown in  zenoss and alot of our reporting/graphs went silent [21-Apr-2011 17:38:37] <sako> how would i begin in debugging this/ [21-Apr-2011 17:52:31] <gemineye> I'm on Zenoss 3.1 also. It looks  like it's related to The SNMPPerfMonitor Zenpack by Ryan Matte since  the problem only happens for servers under the template it provides. [21-Apr-2011 17:58:00] <mray> is the event console still broken in  Chrome? [21-Apr-2011 18:00:14] <mray> 3.1.0 with a bunch of patches. No  event console, but events work everywhere else. Weird. [21-Apr-2011 18:16:00] <sako> my aache requests and throughput  graphs just stopped :? [21-Apr-2011 18:16:01] <sako> :/ [21-Apr-2011 18:20:50] <sako> anyone know what could be causing  that? [21-Apr-2011 23:39:38] <gemineye> I have a Cisco ASA that stopped  drawing some of it's graphs. I removed and put it back in but still,  none of the network interfaces are drawing their graphs and only some of  the data for the performance graphs are collecting data, anyone got any  ideas what's wrong? [22-Apr-2011 00:00:02] [disconnected at Fri Apr 22 00:00:02 2011] [22-Apr-2011 00:00:02] [connected at Fri Apr 22 00:00:02 2011] [22-Apr-2011 00:00:20] [zenoss-logger (logger bot) has joined #zenoss] [22-Apr-2011 14:56:50] [disconnected at Fri Apr 22 14:56:50 2011] [22-Apr-2011 14:56:51] [connected at Fri Apr 22 14:56:51 2011] [22-Apr-2011 14:57:06] [zenoss-logger (logger bot) has joined #zenoss] [22-Apr-2011 15:10:46] <gemineye> Sam-I-Am: Hmmm, should I take  offense to the fact that I work at Cisco.... nah. [22-Apr-2011 15:11:22] <Sam-I-Am> heh [22-Apr-2011 15:11:25] <Sam-I-Am> some of their stuff is good [22-Apr-2011 15:12:14] <gemineye> I don't do networking, I'm the  sysadmin guy. [22-Apr-2011 15:13:33] <Sam-I-Am> and apparently using zenoss for  stuff [22-Apr-2011 17:10:09] <Sam-I-Am> hmmmmm [22-Apr-2011 17:10:18] <Sam-I-Am> getting a very weird zenoss UI  error from trying to select a user [22-Apr-2011 17:11:33] <Sam-I-Am> looks like more zope entropy [22-Apr-2011 17:22:42] <Sam-I-Am> er, accessing a user group gives  an assertion error [23-Apr-2011 00:00:01] [disconnected at Sat Apr 23 00:00:01 2011] [23-Apr-2011 00:00:02] [connected at Sat Apr 23 00:00:02 2011] [23-Apr-2011 00:00:18] [zenoss-logger (logger bot) has joined #zenoss] [23-Apr-2011 12:00:01] [disconnected at Sat Apr 23 12:00:01 2011] [23-Apr-2011 12:00:02] [connected at Sat Apr 23 12:00:02 2011] [23-Apr-2011 12:00:20] [zenoss-logger (logger bot) has joined #zenoss] [24-Apr-2011 00:00:01] [disconnected at Sun Apr 24 00:00:01 2011] [24-Apr-2011 00:00:02] [connected at Sun Apr 24 00:00:02 2011] [24-Apr-2011 00:00:20] [zenoss-logger (logger bot) has joined #zenoss] [24-Apr-2011 11:26:05] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg [24-Apr-2011 11:32:48] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg [24-Apr-2011 12:00:01] [disconnected at Sun Apr 24 12:00:01 2011] [24-Apr-2011 12:00:02] [connected at Sun Apr 24 12:00:02 2011] [24-Apr-2011 12:00:16] [zenoss-logger (logger bot) has joined #zenoss] [24-Apr-2011 17:39:47] <kocolosk> I'm trouble viewing the global  event console in 3.1.0; all I see is a blank blue screen.  WebKit  inspector seems to indicate Zenoss.EventConsoleTBar is undefined.  I've  tried FF 3.6 and Chrome 10.  Anyone seen this before? [24-Apr-2011 17:40:23] <kocolosk> the history view loads fine,  fwiw [24-Apr-2011 17:43:44] <kocolosk> the per-device event view also  works [24-Apr-2011 18:17:27] <kocolosk> ah, i see ... i'm using the chef  cookbook for the zenoss server, and for some reason the cookbook  decided to apply this changeset:  http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/changeset/25926 [24-Apr-2011 18:17:44] <kocolosk> i think that's the source of the  problem [24-Apr-2011 18:35:27] <kocolosk> confirmed, reverting that  changeset brings the console back.  Hmmm [24-Apr-2011 18:35:56] <kocolosk> guess I'll raise it with Matt  Ray over at Opscode, not sure why he included the patch by default [25-Apr-2011 00:00:01] [disconnected at Mon Apr 25 00:00:01 2011] [25-Apr-2011 00:00:01] [connected at Mon Apr 25 00:00:01 2011] [25-Apr-2011 00:00:21] [zenoss-logger (logger bot) has joined #zenoss] [25-Apr-2011 08:50:46] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away [25-Apr-2011 09:04:23] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk [25-Apr-2011 10:17:30] <joko_> dsa [25-Apr-2011 10:22:48] <davetoo> hi [25-Apr-2011 10:22:55] <Sam-I-Am> moo. [25-Apr-2011 10:34:39] <davetoo> schmoo [25-Apr-2011 10:35:55] <Sam-I-Am> yep [25-Apr-2011 10:36:55] <davetoo> how's things? [25-Apr-2011 10:37:24] <Sam-I-Am> alright... kinda tired today [25-Apr-2011 10:37:31] <Sam-I-Am> happens when i wake up to cold  rain and darkness [25-Apr-2011 10:37:51] <davetoo> indeed. [25-Apr-2011 10:38:57] <Sam-I-Am> caffeine isnt helping [25-Apr-2011 10:44:05] <davetoo> I'm never up this early. [25-Apr-2011 10:44:17] <davetoo> I went to bed very early last  night to try to reset my schedule. [25-Apr-2011 10:44:30] <Sam-I-Am> i am very sensitive to sleep  schedule changes [25-Apr-2011 10:44:35] <Sam-I-Am> moreso in the winter when the  sun isnt around much [25-Apr-2011 10:53:22] <davetoo> 'morning nyeates [25-Apr-2011 11:32:44] <joko_> hmm [25-Apr-2011 11:35:59] <joko_> can i upgrade directly from 2.5.2  to 3.1? [25-Apr-2011 11:40:33] <rmatte> joko_: yes [25-Apr-2011 11:40:45] <rmatte> 3.1 is just a bugfix release for  3.x [25-Apr-2011 11:41:29] <Sam-I-Am> sup rmatte [25-Apr-2011 12:00:01] [disconnected at Mon Apr 25 12:00:01 2011] [25-Apr-2011 12:00:01] [connected at Mon Apr 25 12:00:01 2011] [25-Apr-2011 12:00:17] [zenoss-logger (logger bot) has joined #zenoss] [25-Apr-2011 12:08:02] <rmatte> not much, lots on my plate this  week, won't be able to chat in here much [25-Apr-2011 12:12:56] <Sam-I-Am> youve been away quite a bit [25-Apr-2011 12:13:00] <Sam-I-Am> know the feeling tho.. [25-Apr-2011 12:13:39] <mray> for anyone interested, I added  CentOS, RHAT and Scientific Linux support to the Zenoss cookbook for  Chef [25-Apr-2011 12:14:41] <Sam-I-Am> cool [25-Apr-2011 12:22:13] <Sam-I-Am> awesome, someone sold me  something that wont do v6 for another few months. [25-Apr-2011 12:33:09] <LW> anybody know of a good way to  facilitate control of zenoss via corosync/heartbeat configuration for  stopping/starting/monitoring in an HA cluster? [25-Apr-2011 12:37:56] <Sam-I-Am> you mean stopping one hub and  starting another in the event of failover? [25-Apr-2011 12:51:06] <LW> Sam-I-Am: exactly [25-Apr-2011 13:07:11] <Sam-I-Am> its been a LONG time since i've  dealt with linux HA.  back in the day i had to write xml files for  control of apps which didnt have stuff prebuilt.  not sure if someones  done something for zenoss yet... wouldnt surprise me [25-Apr-2011 13:07:19] <Sam-I-Am> hopefully linux-ha has become a  lot easier [25-Apr-2011 13:10:23] <citrusfizz> anyone recommend some cheaper  load balancers? [25-Apr-2011 13:11:26] <rmatte> citrusfizz: how cheap is cheap? [25-Apr-2011 13:11:27] <rmatte> lol [25-Apr-2011 13:11:29] <nyeates> ...better quality pr0n? [25-Apr-2011 13:11:34] <nyeates> heh joking [25-Apr-2011 13:11:49] <davetoo> There's a Linux-based load  balancer, no? [25-Apr-2011 13:12:40] <rmatte> I would imagine so [25-Apr-2011 13:12:50] <rmatte> though not sure if it would match  the performance of an actual appliance [25-Apr-2011 13:13:10] <davetoo> no but I know of some large sites  that use it [25-Apr-2011 13:13:10] <nyeates> you can pay for load balancing by  the day or hour i would imagine....but that is as a service and maybe  not in your network [25-Apr-2011 13:13:44] <davetoo> LVS? [25-Apr-2011 13:13:57] <davetoo>  http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ [25-Apr-2011 13:14:15] <davetoo> that's the one I've heard  mentioned [25-Apr-2011 13:14:19] <davetoo> hmm [25-Apr-2011 13:14:33] <davetoo> n/mind that's more about the  cluster behind the balancer [25-Apr-2011 13:14:41] <nyeates> interesting [25-Apr-2011 13:15:41] <rmatte> "load balancing" is a general  term... are you talking about network or server resources? [25-Apr-2011 13:17:57] <rmatte> If you explain exactly what you're  wanting to do it'll help [25-Apr-2011 13:24:25] <citrusfizz> rmatte: for multiple servers  that host web pages [25-Apr-2011 13:24:46] <rmatte> are they all running linux? [25-Apr-2011 13:24:54] <citrusfizz> no windows IIS [25-Apr-2011 13:25:12] <LW> Sam-I-Am: Looks like I'm going to have  to write a control script to interface between zenoss and heartbeat [25-Apr-2011 13:25:29] <rmatte> ah, the solutions that I've  personally seen for that sort of thing are by barracuda, bluecoat, and  cisco [25-Apr-2011 13:26:00] <citrusfizz> what do you think of using HA  proxy in that kinda setup [25-Apr-2011 13:26:30] <mray> citrusfizz: sounds reasonable to me [25-Apr-2011 13:26:39] <mray> I've seen haproxy in some large  installs [25-Apr-2011 13:26:42] <rmatte> yeh, you could give that a go [25-Apr-2011 13:27:14] <rmatte> too bad you're running linux and  not IIS, it's a breeze with linux servers, you just use balance:  http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/46735 [25-Apr-2011 13:27:24] <rmatte> erm, I meant IIS, and not apache [25-Apr-2011 13:27:36] <rmatte> I need coffee lol [25-Apr-2011 13:28:00] <mray> if you've got an urge to do some  hacking, the chef windows support is getting pretty good. You'd be able  to magically deploy and  tie it all together [25-Apr-2011 13:28:12] <mray> and monitor it with Zenoss [25-Apr-2011 13:28:25] <rmatte> nice to hear that chef's windows  support is finally getting there [25-Apr-2011 13:29:01] <citrusfizz> as far as a prebuilt system  like baracuda or bluecoat,  what would be one of the cheaper  competitors? [25-Apr-2011 13:40:23] <rmatte> citrusfizz: I haven't heard of any  other appliances myself [25-Apr-2011 13:41:04] <rmatte> citrusfizz: what are you looking  at cost-wise? [25-Apr-2011 13:41:15] <citrusfizz> 500 to 1500 [25-Apr-2011 13:41:18] <citrusfizz> usd [25-Apr-2011 13:43:10] <rmatte> every one that I've seen is over  $2000 [25-Apr-2011 13:43:17] <rmatte> or just just under [25-Apr-2011 13:43:22] <rmatte> cheapest I've seen so far is 1995 [25-Apr-2011 13:43:42] <rmatte> hmmm, I'll hunt around some more  and see if I can find anything cheaper [25-Apr-2011 13:44:53] <rmatte> I hate companies that force you to  contact sales to even get a base line price [25-Apr-2011 13:44:57] <rmatte> turns me right off from them [25-Apr-2011 13:45:01] <Sam-I-Am> yep [25-Apr-2011 13:48:00] <rmatte> citrusfizz: the cheapest I can  find in the Enterprise R16 at http://loadbalancer.org/ [25-Apr-2011 13:48:10] <rmatte> If you order just one of them it's  $1995 [25-Apr-2011 13:48:30] <rmatte> there's also a vmware appliance  for $1495 [25-Apr-2011 13:50:01] <rmatte>  http://www.kemptechnologies.com/ca/server-load-balancing-appliances/loadmaster-2200/overview.html [25-Apr-2011  13:50:10] <rmatte> there's one for $1990 [25-Apr-2011 13:50:11] <joko_> did they take  ZenPacks.zenoss.PreUpgrade30 off the site or something? [25-Apr-2011 13:50:20] <rmatte> joko_: no, it's there [25-Apr-2011 13:50:32] <joko_> hmm [25-Apr-2011 13:51:03] <rmatte> It's under "Important upgrade  notes:" which is in bold red [25-Apr-2011 13:51:05] <rmatte> Before upgrading from version  2.5.x to version 3.0.x, you must install the PreUpgrade ZenPack, located  here [25-Apr-2011 13:51:23] <joko_> oh... i guess in the docs it says  it's just under the community zenpack page [25-Apr-2011 13:51:29] <joko_> ty [25-Apr-2011 13:51:29] <rmatte> no, it's not [25-Apr-2011 13:51:31] <rmatte> np [25-Apr-2011 13:52:58] <rmatte> citrusfizz: that kemp technologies  one looks like it's about as good as it gets for the price [25-Apr-2011 13:58:31] * joko_ hopes this upgrade works!  [25-Apr-2011 13:58:42] <joko_> only worried about zenpack  compatibility really [25-Apr-2011 14:03:40] <Sashness> if i were trying to debug why  multi-graphs were failing, what daemon would i want to enable debug or  verbose logging for? [25-Apr-2011 14:07:06] <joko_> i want to say zenhub, but not 100% [25-Apr-2011 14:12:46] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away [25-Apr-2011 14:18:40] <rmatte> Sashness: well, how exactly are  they failing? [25-Apr-2011 14:21:16] <Sashness> so i'm using the distributed  collector plugin and it looks as though on certain types of components,  the multi-graph will only get data for the components on a device on the  very first collector it encounters [25-Apr-2011 14:22:11] <Sashness> so if i have 4 components and  component 1 & 3 are on collector A. components 2 & 4 are on  collector B. Multi-graph will only show data from component 1 & 3 [25-Apr-2011 14:22:48] <Sashness> i'm thinking it sets the  performance collector only once instead of checking for every component  but i have no idea where to start debuging this to see if tis true [25-Apr-2011 14:33:15] <rmatte> Sashness: I'm pretty sure that's a  known bug in the code [25-Apr-2011 14:33:52] <rmatte>  http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/6917 [25-Apr-2011 14:33:53] <rmatte> voila [25-Apr-2011 14:36:11] <rmatte> that's one of those things that  probably won't get fixed until doomsday [25-Apr-2011 14:36:19] <rmatte> unless someone figures out a fix  and submits a patch [25-Apr-2011 14:38:12] <Sashness> damm [25-Apr-2011 14:39:03] <Sashness> looks like i'm going to be  pouring over python code for awhile [25-Apr-2011 14:39:41] <rmatte> welcome to Zenoss [25-Apr-2011 14:39:42] <rmatte> lol [25-Apr-2011 14:39:51] <Sashness> lol [25-Apr-2011 14:40:00] <rmatte> The only reason I know Python is  Zenoss [25-Apr-2011 14:40:09] <Sashness> funny. me 2 [25-Apr-2011 16:18:16] <joko_> should i do a 'zenoss stop' before  upgrading? it doesn't say.. but it makes sense to? [25-Apr-2011 16:28:50] <citrusfizz> the zenoss VM  what distro is  that underneath? [25-Apr-2011 16:37:46] <joko_> sigh, second failed upgrade  attemoopt [25-Apr-2011 16:37:56] <joko_> atleast it's just a cloned vm... [25-Apr-2011 16:48:38] <joko_> well look at that, it worked [25-Apr-2011 16:56:22] <rmatte> lol [25-Apr-2011 17:09:53] <joko_> nice nice nice [25-Apr-2011 17:10:06] <joko_> well that upgrade wasn't nearly as  frustrating as i thought it would be! [25-Apr-2011 17:11:24] <joko_> now to get everyone use to the new  UI [25-Apr-2011 17:11:32] <joko_> [25-Apr-2011 17:20:23] <rmatte> just make sure that everyone is  aware of the menus in the bottom left corner [25-Apr-2011 17:20:29] <rmatte> people seem to be blind and don't  see those [25-Apr-2011 17:20:36] <rmatte> that's the most common UI issue  for people [25-Apr-2011 17:21:01] <joko_> hmm [25-Apr-2011 17:21:26] <joko_> bottom left? [25-Apr-2011 17:21:30] * joko_ is blind [25-Apr-2011 17:21:31] <rmatte> correct [25-Apr-2011 17:21:41] <rmatte> it's not always there, but it  often is [25-Apr-2011 17:21:47] <joko_> certain views? [25-Apr-2011 17:21:56] <rmatte> correct [25-Apr-2011 17:21:57] <joko_> works okay with firefox and ie? [25-Apr-2011 17:22:05] <joko_> seems to [25-Apr-2011 17:22:06] <rmatte> yes [25-Apr-2011 17:22:10] <joko_> cool [25-Apr-2011 17:22:15] <rmatte> those are the two officially  supported browsers [25-Apr-2011 17:22:20] <rmatte> chrome works too for the most part [25-Apr-2011 17:22:27] <joko_> silly chrome [25-Apr-2011 17:22:43] <rmatte> click on infrastructure, you'll  see the buttons/menus in the bottom left that I'm talking about [25-Apr-2011 17:23:05] <joko_> ah yes [25-Apr-2011 17:23:07] <joko_> nice [25-Apr-2011 17:23:13] <rmatte> then click on an actual device [25-Apr-2011 17:23:18] <rmatte> and you'll see different ones in  the same spot [25-Apr-2011 17:23:24] <joko_> i like it, seems a wee bit slower [25-Apr-2011 17:23:33] <rmatte> yeh, it's jam packed with ajax [25-Apr-2011 17:23:37] <rmatte> too much in my opinion [25-Apr-2011 17:23:43] <rmatte> slows it down [25-Apr-2011 17:24:41] <joko_> think they'll stick with this  general UI design? [25-Apr-2011 17:24:56] <rmatte> yes [25-Apr-2011 17:25:02] <rmatte> they spent ages on that design [25-Apr-2011 17:25:04] <rmatte> it's here to stay [25-Apr-2011 17:25:19] <joko_> good, thats why i wanted to get to  the new version [25-Apr-2011 17:25:24] <rmatte> I personally prefered the old  layout, I think they could have just reskinned it... but oh well [25-Apr-2011 17:25:38] <rmatte> would have taken them way less  time, and they could have focused on other more important development  work [25-Apr-2011 17:25:40] <joko_> yea, it was good.. but i can see  what their driving for [25-Apr-2011 17:26:01] <rmatte> I just find that the new pane  layout is really cramped on smaller monitors [25-Apr-2011 17:26:07] <rmatte> very little space for graph  viewing [25-Apr-2011 17:26:10] <joko_> yes [25-Apr-2011 17:26:43] <davetoo> I know web interfaces are  supposed to be cool and all that, [25-Apr-2011 17:27:03] <davetoo> but I'd love to see a  Java/Eclipse Rich Client Platform client [25-Apr-2011 17:27:09] <joko_> eek [25-Apr-2011 17:27:13] <joko_> i would not [25-Apr-2011 17:27:25] <rmatte> nah, baaaad baaad bad [25-Apr-2011 17:27:27] <davetoo> Provided it had enough widgets [25-Apr-2011 17:27:28] <rmatte> lol [25-Apr-2011 17:27:53] <rmatte> web interfaces are the way to go  these days [25-Apr-2011 17:27:57] <joko_> i've used way too many admin apps  in java and 90% suck [25-Apr-2011 17:27:58] <davetoo> why? [25-Apr-2011 17:28:06] <rmatte> because every computer has a web  browser [25-Apr-2011 17:28:07] <rmatte> [25-Apr-2011 17:28:18] <rmatte> meaning there's no additional  software to install [25-Apr-2011 17:28:29] <joko_> yea... sourcefire has a nice web  interface [25-Apr-2011 17:28:36] <davetoo> Not all fasteners should be  pounded with the WWW hammer [25-Apr-2011 17:28:42] <rmatte> the last thing I want is to have  to install a client for each piece of software that I use when I could  be using web interfaces [25-Apr-2011 17:29:23] <rmatte> for some software it makes sense [25-Apr-2011 17:29:26] <rmatte> but not for monitoring systems [25-Apr-2011 17:30:35] <joko_> yea [25-Apr-2011 17:30:38] <joko_> agreed [25-Apr-2011 17:30:49] <davetoo> I guess I'm going to have to  learn how to do ECMAScript [25-Apr-2011 17:31:41] <davetoo> and look into HTML5 [25-Apr-2011 17:31:43] <rmatte> which is just a fancy way of  saying javascript? [25-Apr-2011 17:31:47] <davetoo> yes [25-Apr-2011 17:31:57] <rmatte> lol [25-Apr-2011 17:32:19] <davetoo> because Javascript has nothing to  do with Java [25-Apr-2011 17:32:27] <rmatte> true [25-Apr-2011 17:32:33] <davetoo> Marketroids and Salescritters [25-Apr-2011 17:32:51] <rmatte> meh, that's the name it was given [25-Apr-2011 17:33:17] <rmatte> java wasn't even called java  originally, it was called oak [25-Apr-2011 17:33:35] <davetoo> I feel sorry for people in the  Tornado Belt right now [25-Apr-2011 17:33:43] <davetoo> looks bad [25-Apr-2011 17:33:54] <moath> I've got several events that are  being caught by a broad mapping (it seems to be matching if the event  class key is "kernel").  Is the right way to override this to add an  additional rule to this event class that checks for certain content? [25-Apr-2011 17:34:40] <moath> checks for the content and then  re-assigns the event class [25-Apr-2011 17:34:57] <moath> or should I add a rule at the  "Uknown" class level since it's a syslog event? [25-Apr-2011 17:35:19] <rmatte> moath: is the rule applied against  the call or is it an actual mapping? [25-Apr-2011 17:35:28] <rmatte> against the class* [25-Apr-2011 17:35:29] <davetoo> bbl [25-Apr-2011 17:35:58] <moath> it's applied against a separate  class (/HW/Network) than I'd like it to be assigned (/OS) [25-Apr-2011 17:36:17] <rmatte> right, but if you go in to  /HW/Network, do you see a mapping for kernel in there? [25-Apr-2011 17:36:23] <moath> yea [25-Apr-2011 17:36:35] <rmatte> ok, so what you would want to do  is this... [25-Apr-2011 17:36:35] <moath> i was wondering if I should be  adding the rule there or what [25-Apr-2011 17:37:01] <rmatte> first off, do what you just said,  add additional python/regex/transform rules to narrow down what the  mapping actually applies to [25-Apr-2011 17:37:13] <rmatte> then create a second mapping in  the other class against kernel (as the eventClassKey) [25-Apr-2011 17:37:15] <rmatte> and do the same [25-Apr-2011 17:38:05] <rmatte> you can create multiple mappings  against the same eventClassKey, they just have to have appropriate rules  to narrow down what they apply to [25-Apr-2011 17:38:36] <rmatte> I know basically every trick in  the book when it comes to event mapping in Zenoss... been working with  it for a long time [25-Apr-2011 17:38:46] <moath> gotcha [25-Apr-2011 17:39:11] <moath> what's the best way to validate the  rules you've got set up? [25-Apr-2011 17:39:20] <moath> just use logger on the host or  something? [25-Apr-2011 17:39:25] <rmatte> you mean to test them? [25-Apr-2011 17:39:35] <rmatte> I personally just wait for actual  events to come in [25-Apr-2011 17:39:41] <rmatte> there's really no better way to do  it [25-Apr-2011 17:39:59] <moath> gotcha [25-Apr-2011 17:40:20] <moath> need to learn more about deduping  events too [25-Apr-2011 17:40:24] <moath> lots of dupes at this point [25-Apr-2011 17:40:35] <rmatte> well, some things you'll want  duped [25-Apr-2011 17:40:54] <rmatte> it saves space in the event  database [25-Apr-2011 17:41:07] <rmatte> since you'll only have one entry  for say 1000 events instead of 1000 separate entries [25-Apr-2011 17:41:18] <moath> interesting [25-Apr-2011 17:42:31] <moath> i suppose with more mapping  refinement I can then set up thresholds for count X of event mapping Y? [25-Apr-2011 17:43:19] <rmatte> well, using event counts in  mappings is pretty close to impossible because of the way the event  system was designed [25-Apr-2011 17:43:29] <rmatte> but you can reference counts in  alerting rules [25-Apr-2011 17:44:09] <moath> ahh, cool [25-Apr-2011 17:52:55] <rmatte> afk for a few [25-Apr-2011 18:29:59] <sergeymasushko> is there a doc on how to  write own modeler plugin? [25-Apr-2011 18:31:25] <davetoo> yes there is a section in the dev  guide [25-Apr-2011 18:32:24] <davetoo>  docs/DOC-10100 [25-Apr-2011 18:33:00] <sergeymasushko> found it, thanks. [25-Apr-2011 19:57:59] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk [26-Apr-2011 00:00:01] [disconnected at Tue Apr 26 00:00:01 2011] [26-Apr-2011 00:00:01] [connected at Tue Apr 26 00:00:01 2011] [26-Apr-2011 00:00:17] [zenoss-logger (logger bot) has joined #zenoss] [26-Apr-2011 05:27:21] <danuvius> good morning [26-Apr-2011 05:56:25] <kokey> ok something very weird is going on [26-Apr-2011 05:56:31] <kokey> my OS processes stopped graphing  after a restart [26-Apr-2011 06:31:17] <subbu> hi all can anyone please me how to  monitor the disk errors in zenoss [26-Apr-2011 08:26:21] <LW> ugh, two hosts re-modeled during their  maintenance windows [26-Apr-2011 08:43:35] <danuvius> is it possible to capture snmpv3  traps with zenoss (zentrap)? [26-Apr-2011 08:44:49] <rocket> no not at this time [26-Apr-2011 08:45:39] <danuvius> :-( [26-Apr-2011 08:54:38] <faiz773> Hi All [26-Apr-2011 08:59:11] <subbu> can anyone please help me out how  to monitor the disk errros in zenoss [26-Apr-2011 09:15:37] <fragfutter> subbu: please define disk  error [26-Apr-2011 09:20:12] <subbu> @fragfutter:Disk Error like  Error  Level: Retryable ; Fatal? [26-Apr-2011 09:34:41] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away [26-Apr-2011 09:38:18] <subbu> Can any one please help me out [26-Apr-2011 09:44:13] <subbu> canany one please help me out how  to set threshold for memory in Linux [26-Apr-2011 09:45:43] <subbu> @rmatte:Can you please help me out ? [26-Apr-2011 09:46:08] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk [26-Apr-2011 10:45:55] * davetoo yawns [26-Apr-2011 10:49:34] <Sam-I-Am> moo [26-Apr-2011 11:20:04] <danuvius> any ideas when receiving snmp v3  traps/informs are supported in zenoss [26-Apr-2011 11:31:02] <rmatte> danuvius: if I had to guess, no  time in the near future [26-Apr-2011 11:31:14] <Sam-I-Am> didnt even know v3 did traps yet [26-Apr-2011 11:31:19] <Sam-I-Am> or those which anyone supported [26-Apr-2011 11:31:21] <rmatte> yeh, I didn't think it did [26-Apr-2011 11:31:32] <Sam-I-Am> no one seems to have v3 trap  mibs [26-Apr-2011 11:31:42] <rocket> danuvius: its actually on the  roadmap for the next enterprise release [26-Apr-2011 11:31:45] <rmatte> I've certainly never seen one [26-Apr-2011 11:31:57] <rmatte> rocket: another enterprise only  feature I take it? [26-Apr-2011 11:32:18] <kokey> snmp v3 traps or zenoss v3 trap  handling? [26-Apr-2011 11:32:19] <davetoo> write a zenpack [26-Apr-2011 11:32:30] <rmatte> not everything can be resolved  with ZenPacks [26-Apr-2011 11:32:30] <kokey> i can assure you the latter works,  for snmp v2 ;-) [26-Apr-2011 11:32:35] <rmatte> at some point you need hooks in to  the core code [26-Apr-2011 11:32:41] <rocket> I cant say.. I just dont know  when/if that will be in core [26-Apr-2011 11:32:42] <davetoo> *nod* [26-Apr-2011 11:33:04] <kokey> i haven't seen anyone implement  snmp v3 anywhere [26-Apr-2011 11:33:23] <rmatte> rocket: it's not a feature that  I'm personally dying for, but if it doesn't make it in to core it'll  just be another thing to make me feel like core is being slowly phased  out [26-Apr-2011 11:33:24] <rocket> rmatte: actually almost everything  can be done with zenpacks .. there are ways actually to write the hooks  in the zenpack [26-Apr-2011 11:33:40] <rmatte> rocket: ah [26-Apr-2011 11:34:10] <rocket> at least with python .. being able  to change a method at run time lets you do some neat tricks .. [26-Apr-2011 11:34:11] <Sam-I-Am> wonder why core would be phased  out [26-Apr-2011 11:34:13] <Sam-I-Am> rocket: sup yo [26-Apr-2011 11:34:32] <rocket> As far as I know core is NOT being  phased out .. [26-Apr-2011 11:34:51] <rocket> I believe there is just an  emphasis on differentiating the two a bit more [26-Apr-2011 11:35:26] <rocket> based on feed back .. why would I  buy enterprise etc ... [26-Apr-2011 11:37:44] <Sam-I-Am> people keep hacking stuff into  core [26-Apr-2011 11:37:49] <Sam-I-Am> like multiple collectors [26-Apr-2011 11:41:01] <danuvius> rocket: thanks for the  answer..... My working day has ended (so I'm heading home), but I'll see  if I can hack something together tomorrow [26-Apr-2011 11:41:48] <kokey> i suspect my next job won't be  buying enterprise [26-Apr-2011 11:41:56] <kokey> so i'll have to rely on core  features again more [26-Apr-2011 11:44:27] <rocket> I am not really party to the plans  for core [26-Apr-2011 11:44:41] <rocket> I hear whats happening in  enterprise as I have to support that .. [26-Apr-2011 11:45:00] <rocket> as far as I hear the community is  still highly valued [26-Apr-2011 11:46:09] <davetoo> test [26-Apr-2011 11:46:14] <davetoo> that's better [26-Apr-2011 11:46:15] <Sam-I-Am> works [26-Apr-2011 11:46:18] <fragfutter> 1 2, 1 2 [26-Apr-2011 11:46:29] <davetoo> Either I couldn't send, or I  couldn't see what I was sending [26-Apr-2011 11:46:47] <fragfutter> davetoo: i saw nothing from  you. [26-Apr-2011 11:47:04] <davetoo> ok [26-Apr-2011 11:47:04] <fragfutter> oh, wait, i saw something. [26-Apr-2011 11:47:14] <davetoo> oh well, no matter [26-Apr-2011 11:48:41] <rmatte> rocket: good to hear, I still  think that the removal of the relstorage code from core was the lamest  thing I've personally seen in open source [26-Apr-2011 11:49:38] <rmatte> expunging GPL licensed code from  an open source project to make it exclusive to an enterprise product is  just bad form lol [26-Apr-2011 11:50:05] <rmatte> anyways, if what you say about  ZenPacks is true, maybe we can hack something together for that in the  future anyways [26-Apr-2011 11:50:15] <rmatte> it'll just be a pain supporting  upgrades [26-Apr-2011 11:52:36] <rmatte> Does the developer's guide cover  "embedding hooks" in ZenPacks? [26-Apr-2011 11:52:48] <rmatte> It might be just what I need to  make my formula datasource pack work the way I want it to [26-Apr-2011 11:52:50] <davetoo> Embedding hooks? [26-Apr-2011 11:52:53] <fragfutter> relstorage won't come to core? [26-Apr-2011 11:53:20] <rmatte> fragfutter: nope, the code got  erradicated from the core subversion [26-Apr-2011 11:53:35] <rmatte> fragfutter: they were planning to  include it as a core feature, but the sales guys probably kicked and  screamed [26-Apr-2011 11:53:41] <fragfutter> *wow* [26-Apr-2011 11:53:45] <davetoo> rmatte: look at Egor's use of the  monkeypatch stuff in his zenpacks; it seems that there's some convience  stuff in ZenUtils to make that easier [26-Apr-2011 11:54:04] <davetoo> though monkey-patching is fraught  with peril [26-Apr-2011 11:54:08] <rmatte> davetoo: ah, any ZenPack in  particular to look at? [26-Apr-2011 11:54:17] <davetoo> distributed collector [26-Apr-2011 11:54:20] <rmatte> yeh, monkey-patching can be a pain [26-Apr-2011 11:54:24] <rmatte> ah, cool [26-Apr-2011 11:55:26] <rocket> rmatte: we do monkey-patch as well  with some zenpacks .. [26-Apr-2011 11:55:47] <rocket> fragfutter: that is correct ..  relstorage is not planned for core [26-Apr-2011 11:56:16] <rocket> at this time anyway [26-Apr-2011 11:57:01] <fragfutter> rocket: too bad. IMHO not a  good decision to try to dintinguish core from enterprise using such  design decissions. [26-Apr-2011 11:57:53] <rocket> fragfutter: there are deeper  reasons than a design decision [26-Apr-2011 11:58:21] <fragfutter> rocket: care to get more  specific? [26-Apr-2011 11:58:22] <rocket> fragfutter: I am not at liberty to  discuss some of those, and I may muddy the waters as I havent been in  the meetings where its been decided [26-Apr-2011 11:58:43] <rmatte> rocket: yeh, don't get yourself in  trouble [26-Apr-2011 11:58:47] <rocket> I only hear second hand  information [26-Apr-2011 12:00:01] [disconnected at Tue Apr 26 12:00:01 2011] [26-Apr-2011 12:00:02] [connected at Tue Apr 26 12:00:02 2011] [26-Apr-2011 12:00:18] [zenoss-logger (logger bot) has joined #zenoss] [26-Apr-2011 12:03:08] <rocket> fragfutter: some of the features  that are going into the next enterprise release were payed for from  customers and I havent seen the agreement on that but I am sure there  are restrictions [26-Apr-2011 12:03:59] <rmatte> rocket: here's a question for  you... [26-Apr-2011 12:04:25] <kokey>  i think some kind of marketplace  would be good [26-Apr-2011 12:04:26] <fragfutter> a customers pays to get a  feature implemented, but has a saying in restricting it to enterprise?  strange. but i have no clue of business logic. [26-Apr-2011 12:04:37] <kokey> kind of like puppet is planning to  do [26-Apr-2011 12:04:45] <kokey> then customers can buy for custom  zenpack stuff [26-Apr-2011 12:04:45] <fragfutter> kokey: yeah and next thing we  call then ZenApps [26-Apr-2011 12:05:01] <kokey> i mean pay for custom stuff [26-Apr-2011 12:05:11] <kokey> and then the zenpacks can either be  made available to the community [26-Apr-2011 12:05:11] <rmatte> I have a command datapoint  script... in it, I am currently using self.targetPythonClass and passing  that to the command script, so that it knows what kind of template it's  dealing with... [26-Apr-2011 12:05:26] <kokey> or if they want, it can be sold for  a fee, and the business that paid to have it written can have a little  cut [26-Apr-2011 12:05:41] <rmatte> rocket: the problem is, that this  forces me to specifically rig the script to look in certain locations  based on certain targetPythonClasses [26-Apr-2011 12:06:04] <rocket> rmatte: I *think* I am following [26-Apr-2011 12:06:06] <rmatte> is there a function that I'm not  aware of that would, for instance, allow me to know that a certain  target class stores it's RRDs in os.interfaces or os.filesystem? [26-Apr-2011 12:06:13] <fragfutter> kokey: please don't. Either  you pay the manufacturer to implement stuff for you, or you hire a  developer. There is no need to start with marketplaces [26-Apr-2011 12:06:40] <rmatte> I need to be able to tell the  script where to use the getRRDValue function [26-Apr-2011 12:06:52] <kokey> well, here's the thing, there are  lot of paid for stuff out there developed for zenoss [26-Apr-2011 12:06:58] <kokey> that no one else has access to [26-Apr-2011 12:07:03] <rmatte> right now I do stuff like... [26-Apr-2011 12:07:09] <rmatte> if options.target ==  "Products.ZenModel.OSProcess": [26-Apr-2011 12:07:09] <rmatte>     d =  dmd.Devices.findDevice(options.device) [26-Apr-2011 12:07:09] <rmatte>     for q in d.os.processes(): [26-Apr-2011 12:07:11] <rmatte> etc... [26-Apr-2011 12:07:41] <rmatte> I'd rather have the datasource  script actually pass the location (os.processes) or whatever to the  script directly [26-Apr-2011 12:07:47] <fragfutter> kokey: such is life. i have a  lot of code that will never leave the company. Even if it is useful to  others. [26-Apr-2011 12:07:49] <rmatte> that would make it work for every  template regardless of type [26-Apr-2011 12:08:38] <rmatte> I'll pastebin the datasource code [26-Apr-2011 12:08:56] <nyeates> I kind of like the idae of  marketplaces in the open source world [26-Apr-2011 12:09:07] <nyeates> i will ahve to take a look at  puppetes implement of it [26-Apr-2011 12:09:12] <nyeates> how does it work? [26-Apr-2011 12:09:19] * fragfutter hates marketplaces.  [26-Apr-2011 12:09:20] <rmatte> rocket: http://fpaste.org/qYDx/ [26-Apr-2011 12:09:42] <nyeates> frag: why? [26-Apr-2011 12:09:57] <nyeates> if you dont like it, dont go use  it....still gives stuff to others [26-Apr-2011 12:10:19] <fragfutter> all those stupid little "hey  look i wrote a small program, it's yours for .99 cents". It kills open  source communities. [26-Apr-2011 12:10:33] <rmatte> rocket: I'm passing in  targetPythonClass to the script via the --target option [26-Apr-2011 12:11:05] <nyeates> frag: yeah, you are right to a  degree. I see nothing wrong with this. Work cannot always be done for  free or sponsored by benefactors [26-Apr-2011 12:11:23] <nyeates> many times open source acan  succeed, but not always [26-Apr-2011 12:12:32] <rmatte> those small 99 cent apps are get  rich quick schemes, plain and simple [26-Apr-2011 12:12:35] <nyeates> plus, i am thinking of ways where  you can have a marketplace AND open source...its possible [26-Apr-2011 12:12:38] <rocket> rmatte: I dont think there is a  way to pass that to the script directly without using the command line  options you are using [26-Apr-2011 12:12:58] <fragfutter> most programs that publish in  marketplaces, had the benefit to use lots of open source code. But their  small program is different? They want a quick-rich scheme? [26-Apr-2011 12:13:07] <rocket> rmatte: I havent reviewed it  fully, gotten deep enough into it to really understand what you are  trying to accomplish however [26-Apr-2011 12:13:48] <rmatte> rocket: to sum it up, in the  datasource script I have access to the target python class for whatever  given template the datasource happens to be in [26-Apr-2011 12:14:18] <rmatte> rocket: the script itself performs  mathematical operations on datapoints in a template [26-Apr-2011 12:14:46] <rmatte> to get the values to perform the  calculations, I need to be able to execute getRRDValue in the right  location (where that particular type of template is storing the RRD  data) [26-Apr-2011 12:15:01] <rmatte> so far I've just hardcoded all of  the more common locations based on the targetPythonClasses [26-Apr-2011 12:15:04] <nyeates> I doubt that many app store devs  are getting rich quick. Yes, a handful, angrybirds maybe, but not many. I  think its more of a capitalistic scheme, where you provide work, and  get paid for said work. As a consumer, I find the 99 cent price points  quick attractive and useful over what used to exist. [26-Apr-2011 12:15:08] <rmatte> but I want it to be more dynamic [26-Apr-2011 12:15:21] <fragfutter> a nice way to have it is "you  pay me to develop this custom feature for you". And then you can deal  along lines of "it will be exclusively for you", "you will have it  exclusively for a year", "i publish it as open source to up my  reputation and you will pay less" [26-Apr-2011 12:15:46] <rocket> rmatte: you may look at the new  python api as a possible way around that .. eg I know its not the  greatest at being documented but you dont go directly after the rrds  then [26-Apr-2011 12:16:01] <rocket> the limitation with your method is  the rrd locations may change etc .. [26-Apr-2011 12:16:23] <rmatte> rocket: true [26-Apr-2011 12:17:03] <rmatte> if not much documentation exists  for it though then I'll just be spinning my tires lol [26-Apr-2011 12:17:37] <rocket> rmatte: understandable, however it  really isnt too hard to use once you take a look at it [26-Apr-2011 12:18:03] <rocket> rmatte: it also helps in the fact  that you dont need to worry if the rrd is on a local collector or remote  etc [26-Apr-2011 12:18:43] <rmatte> hmmm, I thought getRRDValue took  that in to account [26-Apr-2011 12:18:46] <rmatte> guess not [26-Apr-2011 12:18:51] <rocket> it does [26-Apr-2011 12:18:57] <rmatte> ah [26-Apr-2011 12:19:15] <fragfutter> nyeates: oh and i send you the  devlogs by mail. [26-Apr-2011 12:19:33] <rocket> I am just saying the api takes all  of that frontend work and does it for you ... the backend methods are  starting to change more [26-Apr-2011 12:19:39] <rmatte> rocket: I'm just wondering how  Zenoss itself actually figures out where to store/read the RRDs from [26-Apr-2011 12:19:45] <davetoo> This channel could use a  "diversity" bot/logger [26-Apr-2011 12:19:55] <rmatte> rocket: if I can figure that out, I  can duplicate that in my actual script (which has full access to dmd) [26-Apr-2011 12:20:11] <rmatte> guess I'll dig through the code  and see if I can find it [26-Apr-2011 12:20:14] <rocket> oh .. I see .. 1 sec [26-Apr-2011 12:20:22] <rmatte> k [26-Apr-2011 12:23:23] <davetoo> test [26-Apr-2011 12:23:25] <davetoo> meh [26-Apr-2011 12:23:30] <rmatte> ? [26-Apr-2011 12:23:31] <rmatte> lol [26-Apr-2011 12:23:37] <fragfutter> davetoo: we can read you [26-Apr-2011 12:23:42] <joko_> hmm [26-Apr-2011 12:23:43] <davetoo> trying to make the IRC threads  easier to read [26-Apr-2011 12:23:56] <davetoo> it turned my own messages light  gray on white [26-Apr-2011 12:24:20] <rmatte> ah [26-Apr-2011 12:24:31] <Sam-I-Am> threads on irc? [26-Apr-2011 12:24:40] <Sam-I-Am> must be some advanced irc client  i dont have [26-Apr-2011 12:24:41] <davetoo> em [26-Apr-2011 12:24:45] <davetoo> no [26-Apr-2011 12:24:48] <rmatte> channels I assume he meant [26-Apr-2011 12:24:51] <davetoo> no, [26-Apr-2011 12:24:51] <rmatte> lol [26-Apr-2011 12:24:55] <davetoo> users [26-Apr-2011 12:24:59] <rmatte> ah [26-Apr-2011 12:25:07] <davetoo> I'm trying to give my mental  filters some clues [26-Apr-2011 12:25:22] <froztbyte> 16:30:12 Loaded scripts: [26-Apr-2011 12:25:22] <froztbyte> 16:30:12 nickcolor        /home/froztbyte/.irssi/scripts/autorun/nickcolor.pl [26-Apr-2011 12:25:34] <davetoo> I'm using Pidgin [26-Apr-2011 12:25:40] <froztbyte> aaaaaaaahahahaha [26-Apr-2011 12:25:51] <froztbyte> davetoo: yeah, IM clients make  *shit* IRC clients [26-Apr-2011 12:25:52] <davetoo> (because I want to use OTR) [26-Apr-2011 12:26:12] <davetoo> with IRSSI I always typed into  the wrong window [26-Apr-2011 12:26:22] <rmatte> lol [26-Apr-2011 12:26:25] <froztbyte> well, if they're designed  around IM anyway [26-Apr-2011 12:26:26] <davetoo> because the active window  indicator was too subtle for me to notice [26-Apr-2011 12:26:26] <Sam-I-Am> irssi here [26-Apr-2011 12:26:30] <rmatte> I'm still using good old bx [26-Apr-2011 12:26:30] <kokey> i use finch on the cli [26-Apr-2011 12:26:31] <Sam-I-Am> used to be bitchx [26-Apr-2011 12:26:33] <rmatte> osiri s-1c/ bitch x-1.1-final [26-Apr-2011 12:26:34] <kokey> but i use irssi for irc [26-Apr-2011 12:26:50] <froztbyte> finch was annoying when I tried  it last [26-Apr-2011 12:26:54] <davetoo> how well do those work under  CygWin I wonder [26-Apr-2011 12:26:55] <kokey> i used ircII from 1993 until  earlier this year when I switched to irssi [26-Apr-2011 12:26:55] <froztbyte> so I just use bitlbee at the  moment [26-Apr-2011 12:27:08] <froztbyte> someday I'll swap that out to  one of the other things [26-Apr-2011 12:27:12] <kokey> i always ssh in somewhere to irc  from [26-Apr-2011 12:27:26] <froztbyte> I *might* use quassel at some  point, if I can get a sane setup with it [26-Apr-2011 12:27:30] <kokey> i don't see why you would want to  irc from your laptop that you suspend and carry around [26-Apr-2011 12:27:39] <nyeates> fragfutter: Thanks SO much for  the logs [26-Apr-2011 12:27:39] <rocket> rmatte: you might be looking for  dev.os.getMonitoredComponents(collector="zenperfsnmp") etc [26-Apr-2011 12:27:42] <rmatte> I keep a bunch of bx running in  screen sessions on my server [26-Apr-2011 12:27:50] <nyeates> really is good we didnt lose em  all [26-Apr-2011 12:27:50] <davetoo> kokey: I'm thinking about setting  up an EC2 micro instance for IRC [26-Apr-2011 12:27:58] <rmatte> rocket: hmmm [26-Apr-2011 12:28:10] <rmatte> rocket: I'll try that out and see [26-Apr-2011 12:28:13] <kokey> rmatte: i was running ircII's in  screen sessions until this year, irssi's built in screen worked as a  nice upgrade [26-Apr-2011 12:28:29] <rocket> rmatte: see  $ZENHOME/Products/ZenHub/services [26-Apr-2011 12:28:36] <froztbyte> I've got my stuff all on a  global "stuff is there" box at slicehost [26-Apr-2011 12:28:43] <froztbyte> had to ^W rackspace there [26-Apr-2011 12:28:45] <rocket> this is how the proxy objects get  loaded into the collector daemons [26-Apr-2011 12:28:47] <rmatte> rocket: I then run in to the  problem of actually figuring out what collector I should be polling lol [26-Apr-2011 12:28:52] <froztbyte> kokey: ...what? ircII does  network-per-instance? [26-Apr-2011 12:29:20] <froztbyte> kokey: that sounds yucky [26-Apr-2011 12:29:29] <rmatte> oh, I can do it without specifying  the collector [26-Apr-2011 12:29:38] <froztbyte> davetoo: if you're looking into  a CLI instance, I'd suggest looking at irssi or weechat [26-Apr-2011 12:29:55] <froztbyte> irssi is damn neat for me  because of irssi-proxy [26-Apr-2011 12:30:09] <rmatte> rocket: wow, this might be exactly  what I need hmmmm, I'm just wondering how I deal with it if I have 2  different types of datasources named exactly the same thing [26-Apr-2011 12:30:15] <davetoo> I don't know about irssi-proxy  but I'll probably try irssi again [26-Apr-2011 12:30:22] <rmatte> rocket: hmmm, actually I think I  can sort that out, I'll mess around a bit [26-Apr-2011 12:30:24] <rmatte> thanks [26-Apr-2011 12:30:30] <rocket> thats not technically legal [26-Apr-2011 12:30:33] <kokey> ircII -> irssi switch wasn't  hard for me at all [26-Apr-2011 12:30:37] <froztbyte> (I didn't want to use any  bouncers because they spewed backlog at me, when I could just read them  on the server), and this way I can connect to any of the proxies in the  chain and just screen -r [26-Apr-2011 12:30:47] <rmatte> rocket: what's not? [26-Apr-2011 12:30:49] <rocket> rmatte we have a defect for that  somewhere [26-Apr-2011 12:30:58] <kokey> unix admins that don't use screen  worry me [26-Apr-2011 12:31:01] <rocket> rrd conflict [26-Apr-2011 12:31:10] <kokey> it's on par with not using vi/vim [26-Apr-2011 12:31:51] <froztbyte> (I used to have a funky little  setup taking my US IRC stuff, brings it down to .za, adds the local  stuff, and then exposes it for me at damn low latency to a client that's  on-box close, so I could always type with realtime speed and have stuff  get where it needs to go) [26-Apr-2011 12:31:52] <davetoo> kokey: I've had screen sessions  running for so long, with a Citadel BBS client running in one of them,  for so long that my Citadel user got auto-reaped for lack of activity  because it never logge out [26-Apr-2011 12:31:55] <froztbyte> kokey: haha yeah [26-Apr-2011 12:32:18] <rmatte> rocket: well, I'm more talking  about... if I have a filesystem template, and a device template, and  both of them are applied against a device, and both of them contain a  datasource named "total", which is completely legal... I need to run a  secondary function to actually check both of them to see what  targetClass they belong to (if I can) [26-Apr-2011 12:32:24] <rocket> rmatte one rrd never gets written  to if you have duplicate names [26-Apr-2011 12:32:31] <rmatte> to make sure I'm querying the  right location [26-Apr-2011 12:33:06] <froztbyte> kokey: I'm also reasonably  surprised that so few people get even basic regex right, but apparently  it really is that hard for other people [26-Apr-2011 12:33:09] <rocket> rmatte I am sure its legal from  the api .. but I am pretty sure the daemons get confused [26-Apr-2011 12:33:16] <rocket> err s/api/ui [26-Apr-2011 12:33:25] <rocket> hence the defect [26-Apr-2011 12:33:51] <rmatte> hmmm, I've never noticed any  issues with doing that myself [26-Apr-2011 12:33:54] <kokey> davetoo: hahaha [26-Apr-2011 12:34:28] <rocket> its probably an edge case I am  thinking of then [26-Apr-2011 12:34:59] <rocket> I see too many problems/edges to  keep track of it all [26-Apr-2011 12:35:14] <rmatte> hehe [26-Apr-2011 12:35:19] <rocket> customers do strange things [26-Apr-2011 12:35:29] <rmatte> haha [26-Apr-2011 12:36:03] <rocket> stuff that makes you go .. I never  would have thought to do that ... but the use case makes sense [26-Apr-2011 12:36:53] <davetoo> We sure have a lot of Lurkers in  here [26-Apr-2011 12:36:57] <rmatte> yeh [26-Apr-2011 12:49:05] <Sam-I-Am> need more active people [26-Apr-2011 12:49:14] <Sam-I-Am> especially for the non-US  business hours [26-Apr-2011 12:49:33] <Sam-I-Am> should somehow offer points in  the zenoss community forums by answering questions here [26-Apr-2011 12:49:38] <Sam-I-Am> if poeple care about those [26-Apr-2011 12:49:58] <rmatte> I answer way more questions here  than on the forums and I still have quite a few forum points [26-Apr-2011 12:49:58] <rmatte> lol [26-Apr-2011 12:51:48] <Sam-I-Am> i dont really spend much time on  the forums, at least for answering questions... mostly in here. [26-Apr-2011 12:52:20] <rmatte> I used to spend time on the  forums, don't have time to anymore [26-Apr-2011 12:53:15] <davetoo> I do kind of like Jive for  collaboration [26-Apr-2011 12:53:33] <davetoo> better than plain Wiki, I think,  if the user pool is small enough. [26-Apr-2011 12:54:11] <rmatte> yeh, Jive is quite nice [26-Apr-2011 13:07:42] <rmatte> rocket: sweet, I figured out how  to check the target python class of each component element so that's  perfect, now I can make my script work genericly [26-Apr-2011 13:07:45] <rmatte> rocket: thanks [26-Apr-2011 13:08:41] <rmatte> time to mod the script [26-Apr-2011 13:23:07] <rmatte> alright, script is modified, time  to test it [26-Apr-2011 13:26:40] <rocket> [26-Apr-2011 13:27:25] <rocket> I suppose I should really attempt  to get real work done today ... [26-Apr-2011 13:27:40] <Sam-I-Am> nahhhh [26-Apr-2011 13:32:24] <davetoo> I'm working [26-Apr-2011 13:32:34] <rocket> liar... [26-Apr-2011 13:32:39] <davetoo> heh [26-Apr-2011 13:35:40] <rmatte> I call shenanigans on davetoo! [26-Apr-2011 13:36:10] <davetoo> I'm actually lurking on a WebEx.   First day of new job. [26-Apr-2011 13:36:16] <rmatte> hehe [26-Apr-2011 13:36:23] <davetoo> I'm hungry, though [26-Apr-2011 13:36:25] <rmatte> I have a demo of Zenoss enterprise  on Friday [26-Apr-2011 13:36:28] <rmatte> should be fun [26-Apr-2011 13:36:45] <rmatte> Which reminds me, I need to  contact sales and ask about the price quote they were supposed to send  me. [26-Apr-2011 13:40:12] <rocket> rmatte: the new stuff or the  enterprise stuff currently out? [26-Apr-2011 13:46:45] <rocket> its a little dated now that the  internal repo has changed layout [26-Apr-2011 13:47:14] <rmatte> well, the main thing is datacenter  insight [26-Apr-2011 13:47:31] <rmatte> but I also want them to demo some  stuff I already know about (enterprise Zenpacks) so that some directors  here can see it [26-Apr-2011 14:22:57] <rmatte> Or you get stuck with Core and  can't use anything other than community stuff [26-Apr-2011 14:22:59] <rmatte> oops [26-Apr-2011 14:23:08] <rmatte> meant for privmsg [26-Apr-2011 14:24:07] <Sam-I-Am> heh [26-Apr-2011 14:28:32] <joko_> where to start if im not getting  any graphing? after upgrading [26-Apr-2011 14:28:55] <Sam-I-Am> check the logs [26-Apr-2011 14:29:13] <joko_> yeah, im just trying to think what  daemon that uses [26-Apr-2011 14:29:36] <Sam-I-Am> snmpperf usually [26-Apr-2011 14:29:49] <Sam-I-Am> er, zenperfsnmp... [26-Apr-2011 14:32:18] <joko_> interestanto [26-Apr-2011 14:33:29] <joko_> bah, i wonder [26-Apr-2011 14:34:59] <rmatte> YES, the meeting that I had in an  hour has been moved to a different day [26-Apr-2011 14:35:01] <rmatte> huzzah [26-Apr-2011 14:35:11] <joko_> meetings [26-Apr-2011 14:36:56] <rmatte> this week is meeting week for me [26-Apr-2011 14:37:06] <rmatte> one tomorrow, one thursday, and  then a meeting with Zenoss on friday [26-Apr-2011 14:40:09] <davetoo> mmm... burrito [26-Apr-2011 14:41:06] <rmatte> Frasier: I slipped on something  that I can only hope was an old burrito. [26-Apr-2011 14:41:23] <rmatte> every time I hear that word I  remember that quote [26-Apr-2011 14:41:23] <rmatte> lol [26-Apr-2011 14:41:33] <davetoo> Thanks for the visual [26-Apr-2011 14:41:35] <davetoo> [26-Apr-2011 14:41:37] <rmatte> hehe [26-Apr-2011 14:43:48] <mistich> anyone know if zenoos is going to  redhat summit this year? [26-Apr-2011 14:44:14] <davetoo>  http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/04/sony-enters-tablet-war-with-wedge-and-burrito-shaped-devices/?pid=1755    speaking of Burritos [26-Apr-2011 14:47:08] <mistich> anyone know if zenoos is going to  redhat summit this year? [26-Apr-2011 14:48:37] <rmatte> YES! I finally have my formula  datasource pack working as originally intended [26-Apr-2011 14:48:46] <rmatte> just need to do a bit more testing  then package it up [26-Apr-2011 15:02:29] <rmatte> davetoo: that burrito shaped  device looks dumb lol [26-Apr-2011 15:02:39] <rmatte> a tablet with 2 separate screens [26-Apr-2011 15:02:45] <davetoo> yeah [26-Apr-2011 15:02:55] <rmatte> It's basically a big NintendoDS [26-Apr-2011 15:02:56] <rocket> I would never buy that ... video  watching would suck .. [26-Apr-2011 15:02:57] <rmatte> lol [26-Apr-2011 15:03:03] <rocket> big black line through the middle [26-Apr-2011 15:03:07] <rmatte> yeh [26-Apr-2011 15:03:12] <rocket> or a tiny small movie on one  screen [26-Apr-2011 15:03:14] <rmatte> heck anything would suck on it [26-Apr-2011 15:03:24] <davetoo> I already hate my "widescreen"  Lenovo display [26-Apr-2011 15:03:39] <davetoo> Useless for web browsing [26-Apr-2011 15:25:17] <rmatte> lol [26-Apr-2011 15:48:26] <JohnnyNoc> burrito shaped device? [26-Apr-2011 15:48:47] <davetoo>  http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/04/sony-enters-tablet-war-with-wedge-and-burrito-shaped-devices/?pid=1755 [26-Apr-2011  15:48:49] <JohnnyNoc> weord [26-Apr-2011 15:48:50] <JohnnyNoc> weird [26-Apr-2011 15:48:58] <JohnnyNoc> kinda like a big ds [26-Apr-2011 15:49:10] <JohnnyNoc> oh, haha, i see rmatte is one  step ahead of me [26-Apr-2011 15:55:22] <Gekitsuu> Is it possible to write zenpack  that would make it so any metrics that are being gathred, in addition to  being written to RRDs, also get inserted into a MySQL database? [26-Apr-2011 16:01:29] <rmatte> Updated Formula Data Source pack  released: docs/DOC-10224 [26-Apr-2011 16:30:53] <Gekitsuu> Thanks Ryan [26-Apr-2011 16:32:05] <Gekitsuu> That's for getting other date  into Zenoss is there are zenpack for getting data out? [26-Apr-2011 16:32:26] * joko_ desk -> face [26-Apr-2011 16:38:49] <rocket> Gekitsuu: not that I know of in  core .. if you are an enterprise customer there is a new reporting  engine that is a datawarehouse [26-Apr-2011 16:39:35] <Gekitsuu> We are an enterprise customer,  right now we're looking at pulling metrics out of Zenoss into another  system we already have reporting through [26-Apr-2011 16:40:10] <rocket> Gekitsuu: talk to your sales rep  .. the reporting engine is a new product that has just been released [26-Apr-2011 16:40:40] <Gekitsuu> I just want to steal your data  [26-Apr-2011 17:06:46] <rmatte> lol [26-Apr-2011 17:07:02] <rmatte> we have a horrific mangle of  scripts that I wrote which spit out monthly reports for our clients from  Zenoss [26-Apr-2011 17:07:06] <rmatte> not elegant, but it works [26-Apr-2011 17:17:17] <Gekitsuu> sometimes "working" is elegant  enough [26-Apr-2011 17:23:29] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away [26-Apr-2011 17:27:56] <rmatte> hmmm weird [26-Apr-2011 17:28:25] <rmatte> I installed the community IPSLA  pack, it comes with templates that have command datasources, the  modelling worked fine and the templates are assigned to each detected  IPSLA tag... [26-Apr-2011 17:28:34] <rmatte> but when I run zencommand against  the device, nothing [26-Apr-2011 17:31:28] <davetoo>  http://www.californiaherps.com/snakes/images/lgetulasd609.jpg [26-Apr-2011 17:31:33] <davetoo> I just saw one of those in my  back yard [26-Apr-2011 17:31:35] <davetoo> small one [26-Apr-2011 17:31:48] <rmatte> I thought that said  californiaherpes for a second [26-Apr-2011 17:32:12] <rmatte> what kind of snake is that? [26-Apr-2011 17:32:35] <davetoo> California Kingsnake [26-Apr-2011 17:32:50] <davetoo> Some kind of Kingsnake anyway [26-Apr-2011 17:35:32] <rmatte> non-venomous [26-Apr-2011 17:35:52] <davetoo> yep [26-Apr-2011 17:35:57] <Sam-I-Am> did you poke at it? [26-Apr-2011 17:35:59] <davetoo> a common pet [26-Apr-2011 17:36:08] <rmatte> eats other snakes apparently,  including poisonous snakes as it is immune to their venom [26-Apr-2011 17:36:27] <davetoo> Sam-I-Am: no, if it wasn't so  fast I might have tried to pick it up. [26-Apr-2011 17:36:35] <davetoo> But it's warm out and it's a  small one. [26-Apr-2011 17:37:18] <rmatte> the creepiest looking snake in my  opinion is the black mamba [26-Apr-2011 17:37:33] <davetoo> for good reason [26-Apr-2011 17:38:08] <rmatte>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am3ZY6_F91Q [26-Apr-2011 17:38:42] <davetoo> couldnt' pay me enough [26-Apr-2011 17:38:48] <rmatte> same [26-Apr-2011 17:38:49] <rmatte> lol [26-Apr-2011 17:39:12] <rmatte> that thing bites you and you're  effed [26-Apr-2011 17:42:43] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk [26-Apr-2011 17:49:40] <rmatte> This is badass:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdg9gkmWsEA [26-Apr-2011 18:02:44] <nyeates> shoulkd do mongoose vs jet plane [26-Apr-2011 18:15:14] <Rickson-> is it hard to convert a zenoss  server to a collector? [26-Apr-2011 18:46:30] <rmatte> Rickson-: you'd have to remove all  of the devices from it [26-Apr-2011 18:46:33] <rmatte> other than that, no [26-Apr-2011 18:47:19] <rmatte> Check out Egor's Distributed  Collector ZenPack [26-Apr-2011 18:47:27] <rmatte> I'm out of here for the night,  later folks [26-Apr-2011 19:28:15] <otakup0pe> what's an alternative to nagios  plugin style commands [26-Apr-2011 19:28:24] <otakup0pe> i'm having a kinda wtf moment  here [26-Apr-2011 19:28:37] <otakup0pe> for custom zenoss things i've  always just conformed to nagios plugin style [27-Apr-2011 00:00:01] [disconnected at Wed Apr 27 00:00:01 2011] [27-Apr-2011 00:00:02] [connected at Wed Apr 27 00:00:02 2011] [27-Apr-2011 00:00:18] [zenoss-logger (logger bot) has joined #zenoss] [27-Apr-2011 01:57:13] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away [27-Apr-2011 02:05:46] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk [27-Apr-2011 08:36:42] <LW> Question regarding zenactions and  maintenance windows:  I've got a number of hosts with defined  maintenance windows, although in the zenactions log they appear to jump  between the maintenance window state and their origional proudction  state 10-20 times per minute, any advice or someplace I should be  looking?  Thus far google has not yet been very helpful except for  thread/13386 which seems to be the same issu [27-Apr-2011 08:47:21] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away [27-Apr-2011 08:49:56] <LW> Also, where can I find the preupgrade  zenpack for 3.0, it does not seem to be on the page where it is listed  to be in the instructions [27-Apr-2011 08:59:29] <_TORNADO_> Hi there! [27-Apr-2011 09:01:47] <_TORNADO_> Zenoss core 3.1.0. Is it OK  that a user with ZenUser role can't change neither Production State nor  Priority of a device which is added to his "Administered Objects" list  and he have a ZenManager role on it? [27-Apr-2011 09:07:34] <Sam-I-Am> _TORNADO_: zenuser folks usually  cant change anything [27-Apr-2011 09:07:53] <Sam-I-Am> not sure if you can get that  granular with core [27-Apr-2011 09:10:35] <_TORNADO_> But the user can change  zProperties of the administred device... it seems tenable to have  possibility to change other properties as well... [27-Apr-2011 09:10:55] <_TORNADO_> He can't change even comments. [27-Apr-2011 09:12:48] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk [27-Apr-2011 09:16:58] <Sam-I-Am> in enterprise at least, users  simply have no default role and its added on a per-class basis [27-Apr-2011 09:17:16] <Sam-I-Am> at least for those i want to  manage at that level [27-Apr-2011 09:18:16] <LW> nvmind regarding the 3.0 upgrade  zenpack, found it on the zenoss download page, not on the zenpack page [27-Apr-2011 09:18:21] <_TORNADO_> well.. from documentation it  seems that roles/permissions/acls management in Core and Enterprise is  not comparable... [27-Apr-2011 09:21:10] <_TORNADO_> I've just started to work with  roles management... so, I'm trying to find out the possibilities in the  Core version.. [27-Apr-2011 09:21:35] <_TORNADO_> and I've found another issue [27-Apr-2011 09:23:14] <_TORNADO_> user can acknowledge an event  for the administred device on the device page. but he can't  UNacknowledge it, because all the event management buttons are inactive  on the Events page. [27-Apr-2011 09:24:16] <_TORNADO_> or have I missed something? [27-Apr-2011 09:45:16] <subbu> HI all [27-Apr-2011 09:46:19] <subbu> When iam adding the Process to the  server i am getting the error as "HAD ERRORS" even i gave the correct  regular expressions as well [27-Apr-2011 09:46:31] <subbu> can anyone please help me out in  this [27-Apr-2011 09:50:47] <Arun994> Hi...I need help in monitoring  the memory of Linux devices....s [27-Apr-2011 10:04:49] <fragfutter> maybe the content of the  following link should be copied to zenoss...  http://wiki.openwrt.org/meta/communication#generic.guideline.to.ask.questions [27-Apr-2011  10:12:13] <davetoo> need a FAQbot too, maybe [27-Apr-2011 10:13:09] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, we do [27-Apr-2011 10:13:25] <davetoo> and a backup logbot [27-Apr-2011 10:13:32] <Sam-I-Am> that also [27-Apr-2011 10:13:38] <davetoo> but first, I need coffee [27-Apr-2011 10:13:39] <Sam-I-Am> although i wonder how many  people read the irc logs [27-Apr-2011 10:13:45] * Sam-I-Am is halfway caffeinated [27-Apr-2011 10:14:05] <fragfutter> so either i need to revive the  old eggdrop or have a fun time coding an irc bot in python [27-Apr-2011 10:14:27] <fragfutter> Sam-I-Am: google does.  sometimes when i search something they come up [27-Apr-2011 10:14:28] <subbu> @Sam-I-Am:Can u please help me with  my issue [27-Apr-2011 10:15:10] <Sam-I-Am> subbu: i dont have enough  information to understand your issue [27-Apr-2011 10:16:31] <Arun994> Hi ther....is anyone monitoring  the memory of linux devices....please help [27-Apr-2011 10:17:15] <subbu> when i am adding the process for  monitoring through SSH SOLARIS , I am getting the errors as "Had Error"  Casn you please help me out in this [27-Apr-2011 10:18:01] <Arun994> I'm unable to set the thresholds  for Linux devices....any help will be very much appreciated [27-Apr-2011 10:19:16] <Sam-I-Am> Arun994: what error do you get? [27-Apr-2011 10:20:44] <Arun994> i dont get any error while  setting the thresholds for memory utilisation....i'm unable set an  appropriate memory threshold for linux devices [27-Apr-2011 10:21:41] <Arun994> for Windows the memory thresholds  seems to be working [27-Apr-2011 10:22:56] <Arun994> we have an urgent requirement to  monitor the memory utilization of linux devices [27-Apr-2011 10:24:33] <fragfutter> Arun994: modify the template  and add a minmax threshold on whatever memory indicator you decide is a  problem (i would only monitor swap usage) [27-Apr-2011 10:25:05] <Arun994> we need to trigger an event for   mem utilization for 90% of mem usage [27-Apr-2011 10:25:57] <fragfutter> which is stupid for a linux  server. it _will_ use 99% of available memory after a time [27-Apr-2011 10:26:36] <Arun994> @fragfutter: i have tried to set  the same but have used the datapoint memAvailReal [27-Apr-2011 10:26:51] <Arun994> oh ok so u r suggesting to use  the Swap [27-Apr-2011 10:27:55] <Arun994> so can u pls give some pointers  on how to set thresholds for Swap [27-Apr-2011 10:29:04] <fragfutter> go to a device, check which  monitoring templates are in use (left side bottom). Click it. Look at  the right side for thresholds. most likely there is already a threshold.  Look at it, understand it. make your own. [27-Apr-2011 10:29:51] <Arun994> hmmm ok....i see that we have a  "low swap" in which the min value is 1024000 [27-Apr-2011 10:30:21] <Arun994> is that value in bytes???any  ideas [27-Apr-2011 10:32:34] <fragfutter> its the value returned by the  corresponding oid. you could look in the middle which oid delivers this  value and then look up the documentation for this oid. and from my head i  say its kbytes [27-Apr-2011 10:33:14] <Arun994> cool thanks [27-Apr-2011 10:34:50] <subbu> @Sam-I-AM: I am not sure about the  error but i am unable to add the OS Process for monitoring [27-Apr-2011 10:35:26] <subbu> Maximum how many process can be  monitored for the serve r [27-Apr-2011 10:35:30] <Sam-I-Am> subbu: pastebin something more  informative? [27-Apr-2011 10:35:42] <subbu> sure [27-Apr-2011 10:39:30] <subbu>  http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=nn9qx4&s=7 [27-Apr-2011 10:39:57] <subbu> @sam-I-AM: please find the error  Screen shot for the same [27-Apr-2011 10:40:15] <Sam-I-Am> it doesnt say anything useful [27-Apr-2011 10:40:23] <Sam-I-Am> check the logs for what might  have happened... like zencommand [27-Apr-2011 10:41:07] <Sam-I-Am> not sure if thats an error in  the script or whats actually getting returned [27-Apr-2011 10:43:25] <subbu> ohh ok [27-Apr-2011 10:44:13] <subbu> can you please tell me how manny  process can be added for a server [27-Apr-2011 10:45:49] <Sam-I-Am> dont think theres a limit except  resources [27-Apr-2011 10:45:52] <Sam-I-Am> each one takes time to run [27-Apr-2011 10:46:13] <subbu> @Sam-I-AM: i checked the zencommand  logs i didnt find any errors in that \ [27-Apr-2011 10:46:40] <subbu> @Sam-I-AM:Cz i need to monitor 50  Process from that particular server [27-Apr-2011 10:47:27] <subbu> the thing is i already added 11  Process .When i am adding the next process i am getting this error [27-Apr-2011 10:48:11] <Sam-I-Am> anything in zenhub.log or  event.log? [27-Apr-2011 10:48:26] <Sam-I-Am> also, what happens when you run  that command script manually? [27-Apr-2011 10:50:47] <subbu> Sam-I-Am:its not a command its a OS  Process [27-Apr-2011 10:51:07] <Sam-I-Am> so something is reading the  process table? [27-Apr-2011 10:51:51] <subbu> no .. Its the Process where we can  see it in the Taskmanager [27-Apr-2011 10:52:42] <Sam-I-Am> the problem has to be logging an  error somewhere [27-Apr-2011 10:54:44] <subbu> i checked all the logs [27-Apr-2011 10:54:47] <kokey> ok [27-Apr-2011 10:54:53] <kokey> lazy way [27-Apr-2011 10:55:08] <kokey> how does one monitor HP hardware on  an esxi server? [27-Apr-2011 10:55:27] <subbu> i am getting the error when i am  adding the process which is runing in a solaris box [27-Apr-2011 10:56:20] <fragfutter> kokey: for linux hp servers  you need to install the hp snmp agents. can this be done on esxi? [27-Apr-2011 10:59:05] <kokey> fragfutter: seems not, that's the  trick [27-Apr-2011 10:59:20] <kokey> ESXi is not like a red hat box like  ESX is [27-Apr-2011 10:59:44] <kokey> the HP documentation is not very  forthcoming obviously since it tries to make you buy the insight manager [27-Apr-2011 11:00:03] <fragfutter> kokey: they can monitor it  through insight? [27-Apr-2011 11:00:12] <kokey> yeah they can [27-Apr-2011 11:00:23] <kokey> which leads me to believe it might  do it with snmp [27-Apr-2011 11:00:47] <fragfutter> kokey: is esxi linux or  windows based? [27-Apr-2011 11:00:54] <kokey> now i'm not sure if the hardware  stuff is simply enabled on esx out of the box for HP maybe and there's  some config based [27-Apr-2011 11:01:20] <kokey> fragfutter: it's BusyBox based [27-Apr-2011 11:01:33] <fragfutter> rofl [27-Apr-2011 11:01:49] <kokey> yeah [27-Apr-2011 11:01:58] <fragfutter> nice answer. [27-Apr-2011 11:02:11] <fragfutter> so some kind of *nix or bsd  kernel. [27-Apr-2011 11:02:19] <kokey> yeah it's linux based [27-Apr-2011 11:02:31] <kokey> anyway, asked zenoss support, will  see [27-Apr-2011 11:02:46] <kokey> it might be something only  supported in the enterprise vmware zenpack anyway [27-Apr-2011 11:03:11] <fragfutter> insight does monitoring  through snmp and wbem [27-Apr-2011 11:03:19] <fragfutter> both can be implemented in  linux. [27-Apr-2011 11:03:32] <fragfutter> but afaik HP uses the snmp way  on linux based systems [27-Apr-2011 11:04:25] <kokey> will see how it's done for ESXi, I  know they've done something special and if HP had their way it would be  by adding SNMP support [27-Apr-2011 11:04:42] <kokey> but i also vaguely remember  something about vmware crippling what can be seen over SNMP [27-Apr-2011 11:04:59] <nyeates> what is the q? [27-Apr-2011 11:05:28] <kokey> nyeates: how to monitor HP hardware  on an ESXi host [27-Apr-2011 11:05:40] <nyeates> the enterprise vmware stuff uses  APIs to get data [27-Apr-2011 11:05:46] <nyeates> VMWares APIs [27-Apr-2011 11:05:51] <nyeates> ohh [27-Apr-2011 11:06:14] <kokey> it's stuff like memory module and  disk controller status and whatever I'm after [27-Apr-2011 11:06:21] <nyeates> wait, the ESXi HOST, that is  being used to make guests....is HP? [27-Apr-2011 11:06:33] <kokey> I know there's something funky that  HP does to let it work on ESXi [27-Apr-2011 11:06:34] <nyeates> or you are virtualizing HP hw on  ESXi? [27-Apr-2011 11:07:13] <nyeates> ...which i dont think u can do [27-Apr-2011 11:07:17] <nyeates> so probably #1 [27-Apr-2011 11:07:19] <kokey> hahaha [27-Apr-2011 11:07:27] <kokey> yeah #1 [27-Apr-2011 11:07:37] <kokey> I was about to go into detail [27-Apr-2011 11:07:49] <jb> ok, i have a device that is inheriting  a performance template for no apparent reason. [27-Apr-2011 11:08:04] <jb> the template is not "bound" to the  device, so zenwinperf is throwing "bad counter" errors. [27-Apr-2011 11:08:13] <jb> any ideas on why this is happening? [27-Apr-2011 11:08:19] <kokey> jb: let's swap problems, I have the  opposite happening in some cases which I still need to fix [27-Apr-2011 11:08:31] <jb> :/ [27-Apr-2011 11:08:32] <nyeates> jb: component templates dont need  to be bound....read up about component templates in our guides first [27-Apr-2011 11:08:46] <kokey> jb: perhaps it's in a device class  higher up in the tree [27-Apr-2011 11:08:47] <jb> it's not a component template [27-Apr-2011 11:08:58] <jb> it is in a device class higher up, but  i removed it from this device [27-Apr-2011 11:09:59] <nyeates> kokey: i *think* there are hp  specific modelers you should make sure to use....and yeah i agree, i  think its SNMP based....i dont know what agents they use tho [27-Apr-2011 11:09:59] <kokey> can one remove it lower down the  tree, i thought you'll have to override it and then modify it (e.g.  disable stuff in it) [27-Apr-2011 11:11:11] <nyeates> the templates higher up in the  tree, apply to all things below it, unless overrode below it [27-Apr-2011 11:11:33] <nyeates> if you remove a override, it goes  back to the higher up one taking over [27-Apr-2011 11:12:25] <nyeates> I am unaware of a way to define a  template high up on a tree, and then to tell device down below "dont  apply here, here and here" [27-Apr-2011 11:12:29] <nyeates> i dont think you can do this [27-Apr-2011 11:12:37] <nyeates> someone correct me if wrong [27-Apr-2011 11:13:15] <kokey> i'm wondering, with an event class,  is the tranform run before zEventSeverity is used? [27-Apr-2011 11:13:25] <kokey> or zEventAction [27-Apr-2011 11:13:41] <kokey> nyeates: that's how i understand it  too [27-Apr-2011 11:14:11] <kokey> what I want to achieve is that an  event sends an email out, but then put it in history straight after that [27-Apr-2011 11:14:45] <kokey> I'm not entirely sure what the  order is things get processed [27-Apr-2011 11:15:18] <jb> nyeates: i have always done that. [27-Apr-2011 11:15:22] <jb> nyeates: prior to 2.x. [27-Apr-2011 11:15:28] <jb> sorry, 3.x [27-Apr-2011 11:15:35] <nyeates> kokey:  docs/DOC-9437#d0e7110 [27-Apr-2011 11:15:38] <nyeates> that help any? [27-Apr-2011 11:16:24] <jb> sometimes I'd like to revert back to  2.5 [27-Apr-2011 11:17:00] <nyeates> I think events have to come into  the database before alerts (emails) are enacted [27-Apr-2011 11:18:09] <Sam-I-Am> hmmm wish i could add locations  to a zenpack [27-Apr-2011 11:18:53] <Sam-I-Am> or even alerting rules... [27-Apr-2011 11:19:26] <nyeates> huh....didnt know u could not [27-Apr-2011 11:19:46] <Sam-I-Am> dont see the usual 'add to  zenpack' option [27-Apr-2011 11:19:50] <nyeates> hadnt tried it either tho [27-Apr-2011 11:20:29] <kokey> nyeates: helps a bit, but i figure i  might have to do something clever with ageing events instead then [27-Apr-2011 11:21:52] <nyeates> you could easily have it where,  first event comes in, caues alert, stays in DB. Second (duplicate event)  comes in, transform drops the event now. [27-Apr-2011 11:22:10] <nyeates> that is assuming 2 repeat events  though [27-Apr-2011 11:22:22] <nyeates> ...which can be common [27-Apr-2011 11:22:55] <kokey> nyeates: actually, the real issue  is that we have traps coming in that we want to send page alerts for,  but we want alerts on the duplicates to get sent out too [27-Apr-2011 11:24:01] <nyeates> then....why are you saying you  care to have the event sent to history? [27-Apr-2011 11:24:05] <kokey> nyeates: in a hurry I simply made  it add a randomly generated eventKey to each of those, but now those are  building up in the events list [27-Apr-2011 11:24:33] <kokey> so a bodge to deal with the bodge  would be to send those to history [27-Apr-2011 11:24:46] <kokey> but I guess there's a more elegant  way to deal with the original issue [27-Apr-2011 11:25:56] <fragfutter> kokey: make a transform that  modifies the dedupid (for example by including a timestamp) then every  event is unique [27-Apr-2011 11:26:23] <nyeates> so lost....randomly generated?  why do u even need an eventKey in first place? also still dont get why  send traps to history automatically. You can do this manually for the  ones built up there [27-Apr-2011 11:26:36] <kokey> fragfutter: that's what i've done,  now i have tons of events just sitting there [27-Apr-2011 11:27:28] <kokey> ok just forget what I have said I  have done... this is what I want to do: every time a certain snmp trap  comes in, alert on it every time, but don't let those build up in the  event console [27-Apr-2011 11:28:29] <kokey> the reason for this is historical  really, since we've migrated away from openview [27-Apr-2011 11:28:46] <kokey> but basically, we have systemedge  monitoring say the application logs, for certain things [27-Apr-2011 11:29:03] <kokey> when those certain things happen,  it sends out an SNMP trap, and we send a page out each time [27-Apr-2011 11:30:11] <Sam-I-Am> ideally someone would clear the  event [27-Apr-2011 11:30:24] <Sam-I-Am> or simply keep sending alerts  until someone acks or clears it [27-Apr-2011 11:31:01] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: yeah you must have a  similar requirement like this [27-Apr-2011 11:31:20] <kokey> I'm sitting with a weird solution  because of how things worked here before [27-Apr-2011 11:31:34] <kokey> personally I prefer traps to tie to  a status, and people getting alerted on a change of status [27-Apr-2011 11:31:36] <Sam-I-Am> in my case either the trap  clears itself (with some other trap), someone clears it, or it will keep  alerting until its cleared or ack'd [27-Apr-2011 11:32:10] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: how does it keep alerting  until someone clears it, won't it only send one alert because the next  one is a duplicate? [27-Apr-2011 11:32:23] <Sam-I-Am> the alerting rules are set to  repeat [27-Apr-2011 11:32:35] <kokey> ah ok, that doesn't help me [27-Apr-2011 11:33:00] <kokey> I guess the option to let the trap  clear itself is what I am after [27-Apr-2011 11:33:15] <kokey> I guess it's similar to how process  restarts are alerted on [27-Apr-2011 11:33:19] <kokey> how is that done? [27-Apr-2011 11:33:26] <Sam-I-Am> that or maybe generating a  random number in the transform and stuffing it someplace where it would  prevent zenoss from detecting a dupe [27-Apr-2011 11:34:00] <Sam-I-Am> might be able to just turn off  duplicate detection [27-Apr-2011 11:34:09] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: that's what I've done,  but my issue is now an event console full of those non-dupes [27-Apr-2011 11:34:19] <Sam-I-Am> well, thats what you're asking  for [27-Apr-2011 11:34:25] <kokey> yeah duplicate detection [27-Apr-2011 11:34:32] <Sam-I-Am> if nothing clears them, they're  going to stick around [27-Apr-2011 11:34:57] <kokey> is there an easy way to disable  duplicate detection for an event? [27-Apr-2011 11:35:15] <kokey> I thought if that funtionality was  intended it would have been easy and I would have seen it already [27-Apr-2011 11:36:37] <Sam-I-Am> the idea of zenoss is stuff  thats intended to self-clear will do it [27-Apr-2011 11:37:00] <Sam-I-Am> like... something starts pinging  again.  no reason to manually deal with that... and no reason to have a  ton of similar events. [27-Apr-2011 11:37:08] <kokey> well [27-Apr-2011 11:37:22] <rmatte> yeh, I don't get why you'd want 1  event for each similar type of event [27-Apr-2011 11:37:31] <kokey> well, one example [27-Apr-2011 11:37:35] <rmatte> the count and the last time values  update with every new event [27-Apr-2011 11:37:37] <Sam-I-Am> at least if they're exactly the  same [27-Apr-2011 11:37:41] <rmatte> yeh [27-Apr-2011 11:37:43] <kokey> well [27-Apr-2011 11:37:50] <kokey> I can come up with lots of examples  of that [27-Apr-2011 11:37:53] <rmatte> it'll only match them if they are  EXACTLY the same [27-Apr-2011 11:37:58] <kokey> e.g. let's say there's an exception  in an application log [27-Apr-2011 11:38:00] <rmatte> any variations and it will be  treated as a new event [27-Apr-2011 11:38:03] <kokey> e.g. an object crashed [27-Apr-2011 11:38:06] <kokey> and we want to alert on that [27-Apr-2011 11:38:13] <kokey> the object never recovers [27-Apr-2011 11:38:15] <kokey> so it never clears [27-Apr-2011 11:38:24] <kokey> we want to be alerted every time  that object crashes [27-Apr-2011 11:38:33] <kokey> or rather, an instance of that  object [27-Apr-2011 11:38:34] <Sam-I-Am> if it never recovers, someone  should be fixing it [27-Apr-2011 11:38:46] <rmatte> kokey: yeh, why is someone not  fixing it? lol [27-Apr-2011 11:38:55] <kokey> ok, bad example [27-Apr-2011 11:39:06] <Sam-I-Am> thats why i have alert repeating [27-Apr-2011 11:39:07] <kokey> let's say we want to alert every  time someone dies [27-Apr-2011 11:39:13] <Sam-I-Am> if someone doesnt wake up, they  will eventually [27-Apr-2011 11:40:11] <kokey> ok [27-Apr-2011 11:40:13] <kokey> here's an example [27-Apr-2011 11:40:22] <kokey> from our actual setup [27-Apr-2011 11:40:24] <rmatte> kokey: people should be going in  and clearing the events by hand after the issue is resolved [27-Apr-2011 11:40:37] <kokey> we want to alert each time a  certain type of transaction is declined [27-Apr-2011 11:40:44] <rmatte> kokey: one notification should be  enough, otherwise you're spamming people [27-Apr-2011 11:41:15] <rmatte> so if that transaction is declined  1000 times in a minute you want 1000 emails to fly out, is basically  what you're saying [27-Apr-2011 11:41:19] <rmatte> which makes zero sense to me [27-Apr-2011 11:42:21] <kokey> rmatte: well, the alternative is  that if duplications are supressed, we don't know when the next  transaction is declined [27-Apr-2011 11:42:41] <kokey> it might be just one, out of 1000s,  someone might take an hour to look into it [27-Apr-2011 11:42:53] <kokey> meanwhile in that hour we can have 5  more of those and not know it [27-Apr-2011 11:43:22] <kokey> it seems like zenoss process  restarts is the closest to these kinds of situations [27-Apr-2011 11:43:39] <kokey> and for that, zenoss sends out a  clear event immediately after an alert, if I understand it correctly [27-Apr-2011 11:43:58] <kokey> to auto clear it [27-Apr-2011 11:44:26] <rmatte> kokey: when the issue is dealt  with, the tech dealing with it should clear the event manually in Zenoss [27-Apr-2011 11:44:31] <rmatte> then if it comes back, you get  another alert [27-Apr-2011 11:44:36] <kokey> that means no one has to  acknowledge a process has been restarted, and also you will know if the  process restarted 5 times in a row [27-Apr-2011 11:44:45] <rmatte> you're trying to over-automate  things [27-Apr-2011 11:45:08] <kokey> rmatte: we literally have hundreds  of things like these in place [27-Apr-2011 11:45:40] <rmatte> kokey: there is a way to  deduplicate all events... but it's not a simple option in the UI, hold  on, let me dig up the article [27-Apr-2011 11:45:47] <rmatte> you'll be crying when you do it  though [27-Apr-2011 11:45:53] <kokey> no we only need to deduplicate some  events [27-Apr-2011 11:46:09] <kokey> and i've also implemented a way to  do it by changing the eventkey per event for some [27-Apr-2011 11:46:12] <kokey> which is also a bodge [27-Apr-2011 11:46:25] <kokey> what I want is what zenoss does for  processes that restart [27-Apr-2011 11:46:26] <nyeates> wtf is a bodge [27-Apr-2011 11:46:36] <kokey> bodge.... bad hack [27-Apr-2011 11:46:54] <rmatte> kokey: you should be changing the  dedupid [27-Apr-2011 11:46:57] <rmatte> that's what it uses [27-Apr-2011 11:47:05] <rmatte> append some random number to the  end of it or something [27-Apr-2011 11:47:22] <kokey> when a process restarts, it doesn't  create a seperate event [27-Apr-2011 11:47:29] <kokey> it doesn't create a unique dedupid [27-Apr-2011 11:47:32] <kokey> and it sends an alert [27-Apr-2011 11:47:45] <kokey> and no one acknowledges it [27-Apr-2011 11:47:54] <rmatte> kokey: those also auto-clear [27-Apr-2011 11:47:54] <kokey> and that's the default behaviour [27-Apr-2011 11:47:57] <rmatte> which is different [27-Apr-2011 11:48:03] <kokey> which is exactly what I'm asking [27-Apr-2011 11:48:09] <kokey> how do you let someone else auto  clear? [27-Apr-2011 11:48:11] <rmatte> some stuff just can't be  auto-cleared [27-Apr-2011 11:48:13] <kokey> someone=something [27-Apr-2011 11:48:19] <rmatte> how do you autoclear a syslog  message for instance? [27-Apr-2011 11:48:20] <rmatte> you can't [27-Apr-2011 11:48:26] <rmatte> you can auto-clear it hourly [27-Apr-2011 11:48:29] <rmatte> but you want it instantly\ [27-Apr-2011 11:48:54] <kokey> so you simply can't auto clear it,  is what you are saying? [27-Apr-2011 11:49:04] <rmatte> ok, let me put it this way... [27-Apr-2011 11:49:06] <kokey> it's just the process monitor that  can do that by itself? [27-Apr-2011 11:49:15] <rmatte> this is what happens when an event  auto-clears... [27-Apr-2011 11:49:20] <rmatte> there's the first event that comes  in... [27-Apr-2011 11:49:37] <rmatte> then a second event comes in  basically saying "Hey, i'm back up!" or whatever, which triggers the  clearing of the first event [27-Apr-2011 11:49:44] <rmatte> do you have a second event coming  in that you could use for that? [27-Apr-2011 11:49:47] <rmatte> if not, you're out of luck [27-Apr-2011 11:50:16] <rmatte> You can't just magically expect  the system to know when you clear something [27-Apr-2011 11:50:43] <kokey> well i want to set it specifically  for certain types of events, for stuff that doesn't clear [27-Apr-2011 11:50:51] <fragfutter> i think he just wants to use  zenoss to distribute alerting. Incoming message, send out alerts, close  mesage [27-Apr-2011 11:51:07] <rmatte> then you're going to end up with  thousands of events just sitting around in your event console [27-Apr-2011 11:51:24] <kokey> fragfutter: for a certain massive  group of cases, we want to replace them with something that can do  status aware alerts over time but that's going to be another 1-2 year  project [27-Apr-2011 11:51:29] <rmatte> the proper solution to deal with  events that don't clear is human intervention... someone checks on the  issue, then logs in to Zenoss and moves the event to history by hand [27-Apr-2011 11:51:42] <rmatte> either that, or set Zenoss to  clear the events hourly. [27-Apr-2011 11:51:50] <kokey> ok [27-Apr-2011 11:51:53] <rmatte> which won't be as effective [27-Apr-2011 11:52:00] <kokey> for hourly clearing, can one do it  for certain event classes? [27-Apr-2011 11:52:07] <kokey> e.g. i want the syslog type stuff  cleared every hour [27-Apr-2011 11:52:12] <kokey> but the rest to remain there for  longer [27-Apr-2011 11:52:16] <rmatte> nah, it's global... you could  write a script to do it only for certain classes and cron it [27-Apr-2011 11:52:38] <kokey> ok [27-Apr-2011 11:52:43] <rmatte> I have event clearing built in to a  daemon that I wrote which generates tickets in our ticketing system for  events [27-Apr-2011 11:52:43] <kokey> seems like what i will have to do [27-Apr-2011 11:52:54] <kokey> is stick an event correlation  engine in between all this stuff and zenoss [27-Apr-2011 11:53:05] <rmatte> good luck with that lol [27-Apr-2011 11:53:17] <rmatte> we've been planning that for ages,  it sounds simpler than it is [27-Apr-2011 11:53:24] <kokey> and then let that translate the  stuff into up and down statuses [27-Apr-2011 11:53:37] <kokey> and for the rest just auto clear on  a case by case basis [27-Apr-2011 11:54:12] <kokey> thing is we got a many hundred  thousand dollar system that was based on hp openview that was basically  classing and sending out traps based on how i described [27-Apr-2011 11:54:15] <JohnnyNoc> has anyone ever had problems  with IP Services saying a port is up/listening when it isn't? [27-Apr-2011 11:54:24] <kokey> and massive amounts of stuff in  place that detects things, and send them out as traps [27-Apr-2011 11:54:53] <JohnnyNoc> i can't seem to understand why  Zenoss thinks DNS is running on a machine when it's not..  and i've  tried zenoss.portscan.ipservicesmap, zenoss.snmp.ipservicesmap,  zenoss.nmap.ipservicesmap [27-Apr-2011 11:54:57] <kokey> now the first step was to hack that  over into zenoss asap so we can switch off openview [27-Apr-2011 11:55:16] <rmatte> JohnnyNoc: make sure the service  or the device isn't locked [27-Apr-2011 11:55:22] <rmatte> if it is, your remodels won't do  anything [27-Apr-2011 11:55:24] <kokey> now the next step is to make the  hack less noisy, then after that is to redo all those 6 years of work  into some new way [27-Apr-2011 11:55:40] <rmatte> also, the nmap plugin doesn't work  properly without manual modifications to the options and copying of  nmap to the correct location [27-Apr-2011 11:55:42] <JohnnyNoc> rmatte but if i don't lock the  service when i remodel it's gone [27-Apr-2011 11:55:48] <JohnnyNoc> rmatte i've done that for nmap [27-Apr-2011 11:55:58] <JohnnyNoc> created the dir, setup symlink,  removed --open from options [27-Apr-2011 11:56:07] <rmatte> JohnnyNoc: of course it's gone,  you just said that it's not up/listening [27-Apr-2011 11:56:12] <rmatte> which would mean it shouldn't be  detected [27-Apr-2011 11:56:19] <rmatte> you're contradicting yourself [27-Apr-2011 11:56:54] <JohnnyNoc> ok i must not be understanding  something then [27-Apr-2011 11:57:04] <JohnnyNoc> i want to monitor a port if  it's up or down, why would remodeling remove that ipservice if it's down [27-Apr-2011 11:57:07] <JohnnyNoc> why wouldn't it alert that it's  down [27-Apr-2011 11:57:10] <JohnnyNoc> that's what i'm trying to  achive [27-Apr-2011 11:57:27] <rmatte> oh, you're just saying that it's  not actually sending an alert when the port goes down? [27-Apr-2011 11:57:38] <_TORNADO_> I want to save some space in my  graph reports. And I want to change the graph header a bit. I've found  it here - ~/Products/ZenModel/skins/zenmodel/zenrrdzoom.js . I've  changed Zoom in/out to "+/-" and als changed the "</>" buttons  width from 65 to 15. But changes has not been applied evean after zenoss  restart. Is there some cache I must clear? (browser cache was cleared  also) [27-Apr-2011 11:57:39] <JohnnyNoc> not only that, but according to  zenoss the service is up [27-Apr-2011 11:57:46] <JohnnyNoc> with a green light icon [27-Apr-2011 11:57:53] <JohnnyNoc> but DNS isn't even running on  that machine [27-Apr-2011 11:57:57] <rmatte> JohnnyNoc: that just means there's  no event for it in the event queue [27-Apr-2011 11:58:00] <JohnnyNoc> or any other service i've  tested with for that matter [27-Apr-2011 11:58:05] <rmatte> the status is directly linked to  whether or not a down event exists [27-Apr-2011 11:58:09] <rmatte> no event == gren [27-Apr-2011 11:58:11] <rmatte> green* [27-Apr-2011 11:58:17] <rmatte> anyways, restart the zenstatus  daemon [27-Apr-2011 11:58:21] <rmatte> and try running it by hand... [27-Apr-2011 11:58:26] <rmatte> zenstatus run -v10 -d devicename [27-Apr-2011 11:58:42] <rmatte> that's the daemon that actually  checks port status [27-Apr-2011 11:58:57] <JohnnyNoc> ok, am i trying to monitor this  the right way though? [27-Apr-2011 11:59:08] <rmatte> what do you mean? [27-Apr-2011 11:59:12] <JohnnyNoc> i mean, why would it remove it  from the list of ip serices to monitor during a remodel if it's down.  i  want it to alert that it's down. [27-Apr-2011 11:59:25] <JohnnyNoc> i must be going about this  incorrectly [27-Apr-2011 11:59:30] <rmatte> because that's what remodels do  lol... they model the CURRENT status of a device [27-Apr-2011 11:59:47] <rmatte> so if an ip server is down, it'll  assume that it shouldn't be monitored anymore [27-Apr-2011 12:00:00] <rmatte> which is why you need to lock  certain items on devices after modelling to prevent that [27-Apr-2011 12:00:01] [disconnected at Wed Apr 27 12:00:01 2011] [27-Apr-2011 12:00:02] [connected at Wed Apr 27 12:00:02 2011] [27-Apr-2011 12:00:16] [zenoss-logger (logger bot) has joined #zenoss] [27-Apr-2011 12:00:19] <kokey> rmatte: do you guys have a 24/7 NOC  where you work? [27-Apr-2011 12:00:27] <JohnnyNoc> rmatte didn't yuou just say not  to lock it earlier? [27-Apr-2011 12:00:28] <rmatte> kokey: yessir [27-Apr-2011 12:00:30] <JohnnyNoc> <rmatte> JohnnyNoc: make  sure the service or the device isn't locked [27-Apr-2011 12:00:41] <JohnnyNoc> so i have locked that service,  but it still thinks its up [27-Apr-2011 12:00:45] <rmatte> JohnnyNoc: yeh, I said that  because I misunderstood what you were saying [27-Apr-2011 12:01:04] <rmatte> I thought you were saying that it  was picking up the service during a model when there was no service  installed on the server at all [27-Apr-2011 12:01:12] <rmatte> but you were actually saying that  it's not seeing the port go down [27-Apr-2011 12:01:22] <JohnnyNoc> the port is never up [27-Apr-2011 12:01:39] <JohnnyNoc> i'm just trying to test it at  this point [27-Apr-2011 12:01:39] <rmatte> k, now you've really confused me  lol [27-Apr-2011 12:01:47] <JohnnyNoc> i have a service that runs on  8081 [27-Apr-2011 12:01:48] <kokey> rmatte: i'm wondering if part of  the problem here is that, apart from the distributed and unmanageable  implementation they have here, they also want the monitoring system to  make decisions based on how serious things are which only a human can do [27-Apr-2011 12:01:49] <JohnnyNoc> i want to monitor it [27-Apr-2011 12:01:54] <JohnnyNoc> how do i do it [27-Apr-2011 12:02:08] <rmatte> go in to the IP Services section  in Zenoss and enable monitoring for that port [27-Apr-2011 12:02:16] <rmatte> add the port if it's missing and  make sure monitor is set to true [27-Apr-2011 12:02:20] <JohnnyNoc> i've done that [27-Apr-2011 12:02:27] <rmatte> then make sure the port is  actually open and responding on the device [27-Apr-2011 12:02:28] <JohnnyNoc> i've set it to monitor DNS, tcp [27-Apr-2011 12:02:32] <JohnnyNoc> this machine isn't running DNS [27-Apr-2011 12:02:35] <rmatte> and make sure the device isn't  locked [27-Apr-2011 12:02:40] <rmatte> then remodel the device, and it'll  pick up the port [27-Apr-2011 12:02:42] <JohnnyNoc> so i expect it to immediately  alert [27-Apr-2011 12:02:44] <rmatte> oh, another thing to check... [27-Apr-2011 12:02:53] <rmatte> there is a zMaxMonitorPort or  something that defaults to 1024 [27-Apr-2011 12:02:57] <rmatte> you need to hike it up higher [27-Apr-2011 12:03:02] <rmatte> let me get the exact name [27-Apr-2011 12:03:08] <JohnnyNoc> i'm monitoring port 53 [27-Apr-2011 12:03:13] <JohnnyNoc> i dont think i should have to  bump that up? [27-Apr-2011 12:03:27] <rmatte> kokey: you can't automate certain  things [27-Apr-2011 12:03:33] <fragfutter> JohnnyNoc: you verfied on the  machine that there is no listener on 53 (mdns for example) [27-Apr-2011 12:03:47] <rmatte> JohnnyNoc: you just said port 8081 [27-Apr-2011 12:04:09] * rmatte slaps forehead [27-Apr-2011 12:04:37] <rmatte> [12:00pm] <JohnnyNoc> i have  a service that runs on 8081 [27-Apr-2011 12:04:39] <JohnnyNoc> nm the port [27-Apr-2011 12:04:45] <JohnnyNoc> port 53 is me testing [27-Apr-2011 12:05:07] <rmatte> In any case, if you DO want to  monitor 8081, you need to bump zIpServiceMapMaxPort up [27-Apr-2011 12:05:15] <JohnnyNoc> rmatte understood [27-Apr-2011 12:05:21] <JohnnyNoc> i'm using port 53 just as a  test/example [27-Apr-2011 12:05:22] <rmatte> do you have port 53 actually open  on the device? [27-Apr-2011 12:05:25] <JohnnyNoc> no [27-Apr-2011 12:05:29] <JohnnyNoc> because i want to see it alert  down [27-Apr-2011 12:05:48] <rmatte> It doesn't work that way, it needs  to first see the port as up while modelling to monitor it properly [27-Apr-2011 12:05:53] <JohnnyNoc> and even tho nothing is running  on port 53 TCP, it says it's up [27-Apr-2011 12:06:09] <rmatte> how did you set that to be  monitored? [27-Apr-2011 12:06:23] <JohnnyNoc> add ipservice [27-Apr-2011 12:06:26] <JohnnyNoc> choose domain name service [27-Apr-2011 12:06:27] <JohnnyNoc> keep tcp [27-Apr-2011 12:06:31] <JohnnyNoc> set monitor to true [27-Apr-2011 12:06:32] <JohnnyNoc> lock it [27-Apr-2011 12:06:34] <JohnnyNoc> remodel it [27-Apr-2011 12:06:38] <rmatte> yeh, I don't think that works the  same as a model does [27-Apr-2011 12:06:43] <JohnnyNoc> zenoss thnks its up, its not [27-Apr-2011 12:06:47] <rmatte> but either way, did you restart  zenstatus? [27-Apr-2011 12:06:56] <JohnnyNoc> i just now [27-Apr-2011 12:07:06] <JohnnyNoc> zenoss still thinks 53 TCP is  up [27-Apr-2011 12:07:08] <rmatte> try running zenstatus manually  after a restart [27-Apr-2011 12:07:22] <rmatte> k, I'm pretty sure that doing the  add ipservice option doesn't work [27-Apr-2011 12:07:33] <rmatte> you need it to actually pick up an  open port during a model for it to monitor it properly [27-Apr-2011 12:07:53] <rmatte> so open a port on that server, and  model [27-Apr-2011 12:07:56] <rmatte> then take the port down [27-Apr-2011 12:08:02] <JohnnyNoc> ok i'll go through that [27-Apr-2011 12:08:05] <JohnnyNoc> but let me ask you this [27-Apr-2011 12:08:11] <JohnnyNoc> we have our servers being  remodeled nightly - is that a bad idea? [27-Apr-2011 12:08:27] <rmatte> no, that's fine, just make sure  you lock certain things, like IP Services [27-Apr-2011 12:08:29] <JohnnyNoc> nm, i guess it should just be  locked and it shouldn't be an issue [27-Apr-2011 12:08:38] <rmatte> don't lock everything though [27-Apr-2011 12:08:49] <rmatte> some stuff like filesystems,  interfaces, etc... should be remodeled regularly [27-Apr-2011 12:08:52] <rmatte> to pick up any changes [27-Apr-2011 12:08:56] <JohnnyNoc> *nod* [27-Apr-2011 12:09:03] <JohnnyNoc> only thing i've locked thus far  are interface speeds [27-Apr-2011 12:09:10] <JohnnyNoc> and well, this damn thing [27-Apr-2011 12:09:23] <rmatte> the interface speeds should come  from the device itself [27-Apr-2011 12:09:37] <JohnnyNoc> i understand, but often times  they're reported incorrectly which is why i set them and lock them [27-Apr-2011 12:09:49] <rmatte> how do you go about setting them? [27-Apr-2011 12:09:50] <JohnnyNoc> ie 10G showing up as 1G, 1G  showing as 10MB [27-Apr-2011 12:09:55] <JohnnyNoc> i have a script [27-Apr-2011 12:10:01] <rmatte> ah [27-Apr-2011 12:10:21] <rmatte> that's one thing that I wish  they'd allow you to set right in the UI [27-Apr-2011 12:10:27] <rmatte> it would be so simple for them to  do too [27-Apr-2011 12:10:46] <JohnnyNoc> rmatte [27-Apr-2011 12:10:48] <JohnnyNoc> rmatte  http://paste.ubuntu.com/599864/ [27-Apr-2011 12:10:51] <JohnnyNoc> in case you care to look [27-Apr-2011 12:11:04] <JohnnyNoc> yea but when you have to do it  for a batch of servers having a script is handy [27-Apr-2011 12:11:08] <JohnnyNoc> though i guess they could do  that too if they wanted [27-Apr-2011 12:11:21] <rmatte> cool, thanks I'll hang on to that,  could be useful [27-Apr-2011 12:11:41] <JohnnyNoc> if there's anything i can do to  help you, then, awesome..  you're always super helpful [27-Apr-2011 12:11:42] <JohnnyNoc> [27-Apr-2011 12:11:53] <rmatte> that is the stupidest pastebin  i've ever seen [27-Apr-2011 12:11:58] <rmatte> have to login to download as  plaintext [27-Apr-2011 12:11:59] <rmatte> [27-Apr-2011 12:12:04] <rmatte> fpaste.org ftw! [27-Apr-2011 12:12:05] <JohnnyNoc> pastebin.org is blocked [27-Apr-2011 12:12:06] <JohnnyNoc> wow [27-Apr-2011 12:12:11] <rmatte> use fpaste [27-Apr-2011 12:12:13] <rmatte> way better [27-Apr-2011 12:12:19] <JohnnyNoc> i went to pastebin.org and i  the fucking proxy blocks it [27-Apr-2011 12:12:22] <JohnnyNoc> wtf kind of bullshit is that [27-Apr-2011 12:12:28] <rmatte> I know eh? lol [27-Apr-2011 12:13:03] <rmatte> what about pastebin.com [27-Apr-2011 12:13:05] <rmatte> that blocked too? [27-Apr-2011 12:13:14] <JohnnyNoc> http://fpaste.org/tPPP/ [27-Apr-2011 12:13:18] <rmatte> pastebin.org is full of ads, which  might be why your proxy is blocking it [27-Apr-2011 12:13:43] <rmatte> thanks [27-Apr-2011 12:13:46] <rmatte> fpaste to the rescue [27-Apr-2011 12:16:19] <Sam-I-Am> one place i worked blocked all  of the pastebin-style things since 'internal info' could escape that way [27-Apr-2011 12:16:24] <Sam-I-Am> they also blocked all forums [27-Apr-2011 12:16:29] <Sam-I-Am> so much for getting things done  in IT [27-Apr-2011 12:17:06] <JohnnyNoc> that sounds like my job [27-Apr-2011 12:17:14] <JohnnyNoc> rmatte so i have this other  server that has smtp being monitored [27-Apr-2011 12:17:16] <JohnnyNoc> i disabled it [27-Apr-2011 12:17:21] <JohnnyNoc> zenoss thinks it's still up [27-Apr-2011 12:17:29] <JohnnyNoc> this is totally separate from  anything iw as doing earlier btw [27-Apr-2011 12:17:38] <JohnnyNoc> this was an ipservice that's  been monitored for a long time now [27-Apr-2011 12:18:24] <JohnnyNoc> guess i'll try different  ipservicemap plugins - right now z.s.interfacemap is in use [27-Apr-2011 12:18:26] <kokey> Sam-I-Am: we just have pastie.org  blocked since I think some worm used that to store downloadable code  sometime [27-Apr-2011 12:18:28] <Sam-I-Am> meh, now i really wish there was  a way to export alerting rules [27-Apr-2011 12:18:42] <Sam-I-Am> taking screen shots of all these  is going to suck [27-Apr-2011 12:19:19] <JohnnyNoc> Sam-I-Am i think you can do  that [27-Apr-2011 12:19:27] <JohnnyNoc> reports->user  reports->notification schedules [27-Apr-2011 12:19:45] <JohnnyNoc> unless you were talking about  something different, but that's how i interpret what you mean by  alerting rules [27-Apr-2011 12:19:49] <JohnnyNoc> but you can export all of them  to csv [27-Apr-2011 12:20:22] <Sam-I-Am> ahhh yeah [27-Apr-2011 12:20:30] <Sam-I-Am> that makes this a bit easier i  think, thanks [27-Apr-2011 12:23:36] <JohnnyNoc> wow don't i feel helpful today! [27-Apr-2011 12:26:27] <rmatte> JohnnyNoc: the plugins are only  responsible for actually detecting that the service is there [27-Apr-2011 12:26:35] <rmatte> zenstatus does the actual  monitoring of them [27-Apr-2011 12:26:56] <rmatte> doing a "zenstatus run -v10 -d  devicename" might let you see where the problem is [27-Apr-2011 12:28:22] <JohnnyNoc> rmatte unfortunately it doesnt [27-Apr-2011 12:28:41] <joko_> what the heck is the deal with this  3.1 UI [27-Apr-2011 12:28:50] <Sam-I-Am> its spechul [27-Apr-2011 12:28:52] <joko_> how do i search globally for a  system [27-Apr-2011 12:29:17] <JohnnyNoc> i see no mention of a portscan  in the output of zenstatus [27-Apr-2011 12:29:22] <rmatte> joko_: top right [27-Apr-2011 12:29:29] <JohnnyNoc> there is this: [27-Apr-2011 12:29:30] <JohnnyNoc> 2011-04-27 11:28:11,937 DEBUG  zen.ZenStatus: Starting scan [27-Apr-2011 12:29:30] <JohnnyNoc> 2011-04-27 11:28:11,937 DEBUG  zen.ZenStatus: Running jobs [27-Apr-2011 12:29:30] <JohnnyNoc> 2011-04-27 11:28:11,937 DEBUG  zen.ZenStatus: Scan complete [27-Apr-2011 12:29:32] <JohnnyNoc> but that's all [27-Apr-2011 12:29:40] <joko_> i see no boxes on top right [27-Apr-2011 12:29:44] <joko_> to search [27-Apr-2011 12:29:57] <rmatte> JohnnyNoc: strange, try pushing  changes to the collector for the device... also try a reindex in zendmd,  then restart zenoss [27-Apr-2011 12:30:00] <rmatte> then give it a go again [27-Apr-2011 12:30:19] <JohnnyNoc> damn [27-Apr-2011 12:30:23] <JohnnyNoc> i can't restart zenoss now [27-Apr-2011 12:30:31] <rmatte> joko_: oh that's right, there's a  ZenPack that adds the box there [27-Apr-2011 12:30:49] <joko_> rmatte: lol, thats a bit crazy [27-Apr-2011 12:30:50] <rmatte> joko_: either way, the other way  to do it is to click on infrastructure [27-Apr-2011 12:30:59] <rmatte> on that page you'll see filters at  the top of each column [27-Apr-2011 12:31:04] <rmatte> use those to find the device you  want [27-Apr-2011 12:31:15] <joko_> yea [27-Apr-2011 12:31:19] <joko_> that works... intersting [27-Apr-2011 12:31:23] <joko_> so there is a zenpack tho? [27-Apr-2011 12:31:41] <joko_> that is handier x4 to have it  available in any page view [27-Apr-2011 12:32:23] <rmatte> joko_: you may be interested in  these: [27-Apr-2011 12:32:24] <rmatte>  docs/DOC-7453 [27-Apr-2011 12:32:31] <rmatte>  docs/DOC-8342 [27-Apr-2011 12:32:39] <joko_> grr docs kiddin.. yeah i  should look them over [27-Apr-2011 12:32:41] <joko_> appreciate it [27-Apr-2011 12:32:48] <rmatte> no no, those are the ZenPack pages  [27-Apr-2011 12:32:55] <joko_> muahah even better [27-Apr-2011 12:34:30] <rmatte> the google one is optional. [27-Apr-2011 12:34:52] <rmatte> I find it to be useless myself [27-Apr-2011 12:34:53] <rmatte> lol [27-Apr-2011 12:34:59] <rmatte> if I want google I'll go to google [27-Apr-2011 12:35:57] <joko_> prolly should look over the release  notes .. .. [27-Apr-2011 12:38:08] <rmatte> eugh this is annoying, I installed  a ZenPack... and zencommand should be creating graphs for the new  objects generated by the ZenPack but it's completely ignoring them [27-Apr-2011 12:38:14] <rmatte> IPSLA pack [27-Apr-2011 12:44:37] <Sam-I-Am> isnt that the proprietary cisco  thing? [27-Apr-2011 12:45:18] <rmatte> yes [27-Apr-2011 12:45:31] <rmatte> I'm using the IP-SLA Enumeration  ZenPack [27-Apr-2011 12:46:30] <rmatte> it modeled everything fine...  zencommand just isn't cooperating [27-Apr-2011 12:46:40] <rmatte> trying a few fixes right now [27-Apr-2011 13:00:01] <rmatte> hmmm, this is mind boggling [27-Apr-2011 13:00:14] <Sam-I-Am> i thought about using ipsla, but  we're getting rid of most of the cisco stuff [27-Apr-2011 13:01:43] <rmatte> we have a big IPSLA monitoring  project coming up [27-Apr-2011 13:01:47] <rmatte> so I need to get this working [27-Apr-2011 13:02:04] <rmatte> Zencommand is oblivious to these  templates for some reason [27-Apr-2011 13:02:08] <rmatte> first time I've ever seen this [27-Apr-2011 13:02:13] <Sam-I-Am> weird [27-Apr-2011 13:04:34] <rmatte> if I do a getMonitoredComponents()  on the device in zendmd I see the IPSLA objects [27-Apr-2011 13:04:42] <rmatte> so not sure why it's not doing  anything with them [27-Apr-2011 13:23:48] <subbu> Hi All i am having the issue with  WMI can anyone please help me out with this [27-Apr-2011 13:23:50] <subbu> Could not get WMI Instance  (Connection error NT_STATUS_IO_TIMEOUT) [27-Apr-2011 13:44:44] <rmatte> there, got it working [27-Apr-2011 13:44:53] <rmatte> the guy who made the pack doesn't  have proper paths in the templates [27-Apr-2011 13:44:58] <rmatte> stupid mistake on his part [27-Apr-2011 13:49:31] <joko_> damn zenpack creators! [27-Apr-2011 13:50:50] <rmatte> lol [27-Apr-2011 13:50:58] <rmatte> I just left a comment on the  ZenPack page telling him to fix it [27-Apr-2011 13:51:01] <rmatte> we'll see if he does [27-Apr-2011 13:51:13] <rmatte> if he drops development of that  pack I'll adopt it [27-Apr-2011 13:51:19] <rmatte> since I can see myself getting a  lot of use out of it [27-Apr-2011 13:52:51] <joko_> which ? [27-Apr-2011 13:52:58] <rmatte> IP-SLA Enumeration [27-Apr-2011 13:53:21] <rmatte> It needs an update to be  compatible with 3.1 as well, which I'll also work on at some point if he  doesn't [27-Apr-2011 13:53:46] <joko_> interesting [27-Apr-2011 13:54:11] <joko_> no use for that here, but cool [27-Apr-2011 13:54:41] <rmatte> We're going to be enabling IPSLA  monitoring on 40 client's devices soon [27-Apr-2011 13:54:45] <rmatte> so it's going to come in very  handy [27-Apr-2011 13:54:50] <joko_> no doubt [27-Apr-2011 13:56:35] <joko_> i should create an extreme networks  performance zenpack [27-Apr-2011 13:56:46] <joko_> extreme switches, that is [27-Apr-2011 14:02:15] <rmatte> EXTREME! [27-Apr-2011 14:02:29] <joko_> very, extreme, and purple [27-Apr-2011 14:03:19] <davetoo> heh [27-Apr-2011 14:03:20] <davetoo> purple [27-Apr-2011 14:03:34] <davetoo> had a lot of broken purple boxes [27-Apr-2011 14:03:37] <joko_> rmatte: ooo that search box zenpack  is a must... ty for suggestion [27-Apr-2011 14:04:11] * joko_ pats his purple switches [27-Apr-2011 14:07:38] <davetoo> we had bad luck with the black  ones, too [27-Apr-2011 14:10:44] <davetoo> bad optical components [27-Apr-2011 14:15:54] <rmatte> joko_: no [27-Apr-2011 14:15:56] <rmatte> np* [27-Apr-2011 14:16:02] <rmatte> lol [27-Apr-2011 14:35:58] <Sam-I-Am> i've heard bad things about  extreme stuff [27-Apr-2011 14:36:39] <joko_> i've had nothing but good luck,  plus the CLI is more intuitive imo [27-Apr-2011 14:36:54] <joko_> im still planning on getting my  ccnp tho... [27-Apr-2011 14:37:17] <Sam-I-Am> i lean toward brocade/foundry  gear [27-Apr-2011 14:37:31] <joko_> yea we use some brocade fiber  switches [27-Apr-2011 14:38:14] <joko_> extreme gear was a choice made  before my time... i would have went with juniper ex switches [27-Apr-2011 14:44:18] <rmatte> we use brocade fiber too [27-Apr-2011 14:45:12] <rmatte> I'm a big fan of Cisco for almost  everything, but brocade make great fiber switches [27-Apr-2011 14:49:39] <davetoo> Cisco NX-OS has exposed unix  commands [27-Apr-2011 14:50:07] <davetoo> I've used sed in a zenoss modeler  plugin... sed running on the Cisco parsing the route table [27-Apr-2011 14:56:42] <rmatte> yeh [27-Apr-2011 14:57:18] <rmatte> Cisco firewalls usually have  exposed unix commands [27-Apr-2011 14:57:48] <rmatte> It's cool that they have it on  Nexus devices too [27-Apr-2011 14:58:22] <rmatte> I have a Nexus device coming under  monitoring in about 30 days [27-Apr-2011 14:58:29] <rmatte> going to have to create new  templates for it [27-Apr-2011 15:00:13] <Sam-I-Am> hot stuff [27-Apr-2011 15:14:50] <davetoo> They also have tethereal but I've  never managed to get what I wanted to see into the slow path and so  it's been useless [27-Apr-2011 15:14:56] <davetoo> even with debug ACLs [27-Apr-2011 15:16:25] <Sam-I-Am> stuff juniper has done for a  long time :/ [27-Apr-2011 15:19:16] <joko_> <3 juniper screenos FW's [27-Apr-2011 15:23:12] <davetoo> I've played just a tiny bit with a  NetScreen [27-Apr-2011 15:23:22] <davetoo> just before and just after they  were bought by Juniper [27-Apr-2011 15:23:42] <Sam-I-Am> ugggh netscreen [27-Apr-2011 15:23:50] <Sam-I-Am> what a pile of crap (imho) [27-Apr-2011 15:24:03] <Sam-I-Am> i have more problems with my  ssg550's than i can shake a stick at [27-Apr-2011 15:27:44] <joko_> seriously? [27-Apr-2011 15:27:50] <Sam-I-Am> yep [27-Apr-2011 15:27:58] <joko_> i've really never had problems with  netscreen walls [27-Apr-2011 15:28:10] <joko_> checkpoint on the other hand... [27-Apr-2011 15:28:58] <Sam-I-Am> in 6.2 the management interface  drops off the planet for a few mins every few hours and trips zenoss.   juniper recommended 6.3.  in 6.3, the thing stops passing all traffic  for 10-20 seconds at random times. [27-Apr-2011 15:28:59] <joko_> then again i use to work for a  company doing support for 70% checkpoint and 30% juniper [27-Apr-2011 15:29:11] <Sam-I-Am> and they cant seem to find out  why [27-Apr-2011 15:29:16] <joko_> odd [27-Apr-2011 15:29:22] <Sam-I-Am> support is terrible... cant read  or speak english [27-Apr-2011 15:30:04] <joko_> shrug, we run ISG2000's here and  they are rock solid. never a problem [27-Apr-2011 15:30:15] <joko_> just don't try to go to junOS! [27-Apr-2011 15:30:19] <Sam-I-Am> althuogh use if the word "unbug"  amused me [27-Apr-2011 15:30:31] <joko_> ha [27-Apr-2011 15:30:33] <Sam-I-Am> use of [27-Apr-2011 15:31:13] <Sam-I-Am> i havent considered converting  the 550 to a 6350 with junos [27-Apr-2011 15:31:48] <joko_> yeah i wouldn't... junos won't make  a good firewall product for another year imo [27-Apr-2011 15:32:11] <joko_> development boxes imo [27-Apr-2011 15:32:29] <Sam-I-Am> not to mention features like AV  and DPI which may not work on junos [27-Apr-2011 15:32:56] <joko_> yeppers, it's not an easy migration [27-Apr-2011 15:34:03] <Sam-I-Am> i'll pass for now and deal with  the monster i know vs. the ones i dont [27-Apr-2011 15:35:28] <joko_> yea..  they didn't even try to sell  us junos, our purchasing company wouldn't even recommend them [27-Apr-2011 15:35:51] <Sam-I-Am> hmm... still need to figure out  how i want to run the modeler [27-Apr-2011 15:36:11] <Sam-I-Am> not sure i want it to run  whenever it hits its cycle time [27-Apr-2011 15:43:35] <jheaton_> Is this the right channel to ask  troubleshooting questions about Zenoss? [27-Apr-2011 15:46:57] <Sam-I-Am> sometimes [27-Apr-2011 16:03:33] <rmatte> jheaton_: yes [27-Apr-2011 16:03:48] <rmatte> jheaton_: that's basically all we  do here [27-Apr-2011 16:04:10] <jheaton_> Thanks... I just figured it out.  [27-Apr-2011 16:38:17] <rmatte> k [27-Apr-2011 16:59:59] <Sam-I-Am> . [27-Apr-2011 17:03:14] <rmatte>  docs/DOC-3436 [27-Apr-2011 17:03:24] <rmatte> Updated version if IPSLA pack  uploaded [27-Apr-2011 17:03:33] <rmatte> fixes small bug [27-Apr-2011 17:03:55] <Sam-I-Am> your bug? [27-Apr-2011 17:03:57] <rmatte> Still needs to be converted for  3.1 support, which I'll probably be working on in the near future if the  author doesn't beat me to it [27-Apr-2011 17:04:01] <rmatte> yeh, my bug [27-Apr-2011 17:04:02] <rmatte> lol [27-Apr-2011 17:04:05] <rmatte> bad path [27-Apr-2011 17:04:35] <rmatte> I think what he did was copy the  path ${here/ZenPackManager/packs/ZenPacks.zenoss.Whatever/path} from  some example and changed it to  ${here/ZenPackManager/packs/ZenPacks.zenoss.ipSLA/path} [27-Apr-2011 17:04:45] <rmatte> not realizing that it actually had  to be: ${here/ZenPackManager/packs/ZenPacks.ipSLA.SLADevice/path} [27-Apr-2011 17:04:50] <Sam-I-Am> oops [27-Apr-2011 17:04:54] <Sam-I-Am> so thats why it didnt work? [27-Apr-2011 17:04:58] <rmatte> yup [27-Apr-2011 17:05:08] <rmatte> so I fixed the paths, re-rolled  the ZenPack, and uploaded the new version [27-Apr-2011 17:05:36] <rmatte> (Matt Ray gave me global access to  edit ZenPack pages at some point) [27-Apr-2011 17:05:53] <rmatte> I was helping him with performing  updates [27-Apr-2011 17:05:59] <Sam-I-Am> oooh [27-Apr-2011 17:06:07] <Sam-I-Am> sneaky [27-Apr-2011 17:06:11] <Sam-I-Am> hope the author doesnt mind heh [27-Apr-2011 17:06:11] <rmatte> hehe [27-Apr-2011 17:06:18] <rmatte> doubt he will [27-Apr-2011 17:06:23] <rmatte> it's just a small change [27-Apr-2011 17:13:46] <zykes-> is there an issue with 3.1 ? [27-Apr-2011 17:13:55] <rmatte> you'll have to be a lot more  specific [27-Apr-2011 17:14:44] <zykes-> i'm getting heartbeat failues [27-Apr-2011 17:14:47] <zykes-> on all components [27-Apr-2011 17:15:03] <rmatte> I get heartbeat failures all the  time, I just ignore them [27-Apr-2011 17:15:07] <rmatte> they are way too sensitive [27-Apr-2011 17:15:08] <zykes-> zenrender, zeneventlog, zenprocess [27-Apr-2011 17:15:19] <rmatte> if you wait a bit they'll go away,  then they'll eventually come back [27-Apr-2011 17:15:25] <rmatte> then go away, come back, etc... [27-Apr-2011 17:15:35] <rmatte> doesn't mean anything unless you  just get them constantly over and over and over [27-Apr-2011 17:18:21] <zykes-> and if i get them repeatedly ? [27-Apr-2011 17:19:51] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away [27-Apr-2011 17:45:52] <zykes-> hmmm, no new zenpacks lately ? [27-Apr-2011 17:47:10] <nyeates> i got 10 or so up a bit  ago....they were from last year tho....there is a backlog of them  publicly posted [27-Apr-2011 17:47:32] <zykes-> nyeates: link ? [27-Apr-2011 17:47:34] <nyeates> it is a major pain the arse to  manually post them and get them up, takes a bit of time [27-Apr-2011 17:47:35] <nyeates> one sec [27-Apr-2011 17:48:13] <nyeates>  docs/DOC-4624 Backlog, no links to the ones  that have been added (crossed out) [27-Apr-2011 17:48:22] <nyeates> see the plain zenpacks page for  them tho [27-Apr-2011 17:48:49] <nyeates> where do you look for new  zenpacks? I have not posted the announcement for some of them....which  is the most common place for you to look? [27-Apr-2011 17:48:53] <nyeates> there is like 5 places [27-Apr-2011 17:49:05] <nyeates> i might dwindle that down, but no  idea which is prefered [27-Apr-2011 17:49:11] <zykes-> i jus tlook at the page [27-Apr-2011 17:49:18] <nyeates> ?? [27-Apr-2011 17:50:06] <zykes-> the zenpacks page [27-Apr-2011 17:50:21] <nyeates> ohh....it has never listed which  ones are new though [27-Apr-2011 17:51:22] <zykes-> why don't you make a kind of a  install system? [27-Apr-2011 17:51:27] <zykes-> so people don't have to keep track  [27-Apr-2011 17:52:23] <nyeates> dwindling community resources  dont help :-p [27-Apr-2011 17:52:30] <nyeates> but its a damn good idea that i  wish we could do [27-Apr-2011 17:53:14] <zykes-> dwindling ? [27-Apr-2011 17:53:22] <zykes-> is it going downwards ? [27-Apr-2011 17:55:12] <nyeates> To a degree. Used to be multiple  employees, also I am not as technical as last. [27-Apr-2011 17:56:08] <zykes-> multiple employees ? [27-Apr-2011 17:56:19] <nyeates> i am an employee at zenoss inc [27-Apr-2011 17:56:19] <zykes-> is zenoss loosing community ? [27-Apr-2011 17:56:27] <nyeates> to manage the community [27-Apr-2011 17:56:27] <nyeates> no [27-Apr-2011 17:56:38] <nyeates> we have less employees managing  the community now [27-Apr-2011 17:56:44] <zykes-> why ? [27-Apr-2011 17:56:58] <nyeates> Decision of the company [27-Apr-2011 17:57:14] <zykes-> :/ [27-Apr-2011 17:57:19] <zykes-> kinda sucks [27-Apr-2011 17:57:54] <zykes-> so in other words there's no  community manager or so ? [27-Apr-2011 17:58:09] <nyeates> I am, in effect, the community  manager [27-Apr-2011 17:58:17] <nyeates> and we shift some of the duties  around to be shared too [27-Apr-2011 17:58:39] <zykes-> you know if zenoss is going to be  moved to github [27-Apr-2011 17:58:41] <zykes-> or similar ? [27-Apr-2011 17:58:53] <nyeates> community zenpacls are on github  only [27-Apr-2011 17:59:03] <nyeates> zenoss core is on svn [27-Apr-2011 17:59:09] <nyeates> not moving [27-Apr-2011 17:59:12] <zykes-> :/ [27-Apr-2011 17:59:28] <nyeates> i need to learn me some git:-) [27-Apr-2011 17:59:43] <zykes-> why not move it ? [27-Apr-2011 17:59:50] <zykes-> svn is evil, need to be online to  commit [27-Apr-2011 18:00:18] <nyeates> I dunno really. Probably would be  an undertaking and also would need to have staff relearn a lot [27-Apr-2011 18:00:22] <nyeates> just guesses tho [27-Apr-2011 18:02:15] <nyeates> I think there is a stronger use  case for git on communtity plugins, because your dealing with more of a  distributed use case [27-Apr-2011 18:02:29] <nyeates> where as core, your not. we take  modifications to core more through bug fixes and patches [27-Apr-2011 18:03:21] <rmatte> hmmm that sucks, can't specify  Zenoss variables in SNMP strings [27-Apr-2011 18:03:32] <rmatte> I wanted to have the last octet  come from ${here/instance} [27-Apr-2011 18:18:56] <rmatte> hmmm, now to pimp this IPSLA pack  up, I figure that I can get it to use zenperfsnmp instead of the scripts  that it uses right now, which will make it way more efficient. [27-Apr-2011 18:19:27] <rmatte> why the author didn't do that in  the first place is beyond me [27-Apr-2011 18:32:51] <Sam-I-Am> heh [27-Apr-2011 18:32:53] <Sam-I-Am> never know... [27-Apr-2011 18:33:04] <rmatte> he used a property called  "instance" instead of snmpindex... [27-Apr-2011 18:33:13] <rmatte> I'm adding an snmpindex property  to it right now [27-Apr-2011 18:33:21] <rmatte> once I get that done, in theory,  zenperfsnmp should work for it [27-Apr-2011 18:33:34] <Sam-I-Am> rmattizing it [27-Apr-2011 18:33:39] <rmatte> indeed [27-Apr-2011 18:33:41] <Sam-I-Am> who made it? [27-Apr-2011 18:33:43] <nyeates> heh [27-Apr-2011 18:33:46] <Sam-I-Am> (i could just go look) [27-Apr-2011 18:34:01] <rmatte> Shane something or other [27-Apr-2011 18:34:04] <rmatte> Shane Scott I think it is [27-Apr-2011 18:34:06] <Sam-I-Am> not familiar? [27-Apr-2011 18:34:10] <rmatte> yup, that's it [27-Apr-2011 18:34:17] <rmatte> I think it's the only pack he's  made [27-Apr-2011 18:34:31] <rmatte> he made it back in 2009, I think  he may have abandoned it, not sure [27-Apr-2011 18:34:33] <nyeates> OHHH shane [27-Apr-2011 18:34:37] <nyeates> he is with rackspace now [27-Apr-2011 18:34:42] <rmatte> ah [27-Apr-2011 18:34:57] <nyeates> new employee there i think....he  might have one other zenpack...not sure tho [27-Apr-2011 18:35:24] <rmatte> He also didn't have all of the  possible IPSLA types defined in the modeler [27-Apr-2011 18:35:33] <rmatte> so instead of getting type "Echo" I  got "1" [27-Apr-2011 18:35:37] <nyeates> i can get u in touch with him if u  want [27-Apr-2011 18:35:38] <rmatte> so I went in and defined all of  the types [27-Apr-2011 18:35:51] <rmatte> nah, I'm good for now, but I'll  definitely be contacting him in the near future [27-Apr-2011 18:36:06] <rmatte> If he's not interesting in  converting the pack to 3.1 I'll take it on myself for the contest [27-Apr-2011 18:36:11] <rmatte> shouldn't be overly difficult [27-Apr-2011 18:36:17] <rmatte> interested* [27-Apr-2011 18:36:36] <nyeates> good deal [27-Apr-2011 18:36:44] <nyeates> double zenoss shtuff :-) [27-Apr-2011 18:36:57] <rmatte> there we go, got snmpindex in  there [27-Apr-2011 18:37:04] <rmatte> I want the plush Zenny! lol [27-Apr-2011 18:37:43] <rmatte> now to see if snmpindex is all I  needed to use zenperfsnmp [27-Apr-2011 18:37:47] <rmatte> if it is, huzzah! [27-Apr-2011 18:38:20] <rmatte> I'm using the pack against 38  different IPSLA tags and it's blowing up the system from the CPU load [27-Apr-2011 18:38:21] <rmatte> lol [27-Apr-2011 18:38:26] <rmatte> need to tone it down [27-Apr-2011 18:39:45] <rmatte> haha, it works [27-Apr-2011 18:39:46] <rmatte> awesome [27-Apr-2011 18:42:58] <JohnnyNoc> anyone have an idea of how i  could get the firmware revision of an expansion card? [27-Apr-2011 18:43:11] <JohnnyNoc> i've figured out how to do this  for disks, but unfortunately it doesn't translate to the expansion  cards [27-Apr-2011 18:44:07] <JohnnyNoc> for the disks i can eventually  get it through something like for i in dev.hw.harddisks() print i.FWRev [27-Apr-2011 18:44:13] <JohnnyNoc> but that doesn't work for the  expansion cards [27-Apr-2011 18:44:53] <rmatte> JohnnyNoc: well, can you actually  see the revision in the UI for the expansion cards? [27-Apr-2011 18:44:58] <JohnnyNoc> yes [27-Apr-2011 18:45:16] <rmatte> ok, then click on one of the cards  and add /manage after the URL, then click on the properties tab [27-Apr-2011 18:45:25] <rmatte> it'll probably be called something  different than FWRev [27-Apr-2011 18:45:38] <rmatte> once you know what it's actually  called in the database, then you can do the same thing with that name [27-Apr-2011 18:45:46] <JohnnyNoc> looks like it's called FWRev [27-Apr-2011 18:45:47] <JohnnyNoc> :/ [27-Apr-2011 18:46:03] <JohnnyNoc> rmatte that's a pretty neat tip  btw [27-Apr-2011 18:46:11] <rmatte> yeh, I use that all the time hehe [27-Apr-2011 18:46:30] <rmatte> ok, what's the URL at the top look  like when you're at the card? [27-Apr-2011 18:46:38] <rmatte> (you don't have to include the  hostname, just dmd and up [27-Apr-2011 18:46:54] <JohnnyNoc>  dmd/Devices/CIM/WMI/HP/devices/PDSWCHI6DBUS5/hw/cards/cpqDaCntlr0/manage [27-Apr-2011 18:47:11] <rmatte> for c in dev.hw.cards(): [27-Apr-2011 18:47:17] <JohnnyNoc> i've tabbed all over in zendmd  but couldn't find anything that i thought was relevant [27-Apr-2011 18:47:19] <rmatte>  print c.FWRev [27-Apr-2011 18:47:22] <rmatte> try that [27-Apr-2011 18:47:27] <JohnnyNoc> i have it doesn't work [27-Apr-2011 18:47:28] <JohnnyNoc> :/ [27-Apr-2011 18:47:40] <rmatte> does the dev.hw.cards() not work? [27-Apr-2011 18:47:44] <rmatte> or the i.FWRev? [27-Apr-2011 18:47:52] <JohnnyNoc> i.FWRev gives me an atrribute  error [27-Apr-2011 18:47:56] <JohnnyNoc> the dev.hw.cards() seems to  work fine [27-Apr-2011 18:48:00] <JohnnyNoc> i can print card.id for example [27-Apr-2011 18:48:14] <rmatte> can you show me your exact code? [27-Apr-2011 18:48:19] <JohnnyNoc> and c.FWRev doesn't show up  when i tab in zendmd [27-Apr-2011 18:48:43] <rmatte> that doesn't make sense, if you  see it as FWRev in the management interface then that means it's an  object property [27-Apr-2011 18:48:44] <JohnnyNoc> yea [27-Apr-2011 18:48:49] <rmatte> so you should be able to reference  it... [27-Apr-2011 18:48:58] <JohnnyNoc> 1s i dont remember that  pastebin site from earlier [27-Apr-2011 18:48:58] <JohnnyNoc> haha [27-Apr-2011 18:49:06] <rmatte> fpaste.org? [27-Apr-2011 18:49:25] <JohnnyNoc> http://fpaste.org/XrpF/ [27-Apr-2011 18:49:35] <JohnnyNoc> i run it like $ zendmd <  blah [27-Apr-2011 18:50:27] <rmatte> can you show me a screenshot of  the management page (properties tab) for the card? [27-Apr-2011 18:50:32] <rmatte> just want to see what you're  seeing [27-Apr-2011 18:51:09] <JohnnyNoc> that's a little more  complicated [27-Apr-2011 18:51:10] <JohnnyNoc> but dude [27-Apr-2011 18:51:11] <JohnnyNoc> it's there [27-Apr-2011 18:51:16] <JohnnyNoc> FWRev and in the box, 1.86 [27-Apr-2011 18:51:26] <rmatte> hmmm [27-Apr-2011 18:51:27] <JohnnyNoc> and when i'm in zendmd, i can  tab and get snmpindex, monitor, tag, serialNumber [27-Apr-2011 18:51:30] <JohnnyNoc> but not FWRev [27-Apr-2011 18:51:41] <JohnnyNoc> i'm guessing it has something  to do with the HPMon ZenPAck [27-Apr-2011 18:51:49] <rmatte> yeh [27-Apr-2011 18:51:56] <JohnnyNoc> trying not to bother bigegor  but i think i'm going to have to post something [27-Apr-2011 18:52:04] <rmatte> actually, I think I have that, let  me check it out on one of my prod boxes [27-Apr-2011 18:52:57] <JohnnyNoc> i grepped through some files  and i saw mention of it where i think i would see it [27-Apr-2011 18:53:09] <rmatte> I'll see if I can actually find a  device that shows cards [27-Apr-2011 18:53:30] <rmatte> hmmm, nothing, all temp sensors [27-Apr-2011 18:54:14] <JohnnyNoc> hw/cards/cpqDaCntlr0 [27-Apr-2011 18:54:23] <JohnnyNoc> do i have to somehow get the  cpqDaCntlr0 into it? [27-Apr-2011 18:54:32] <JohnnyNoc> like, cards.cpqDaCntlr0.FWrev [27-Apr-2011 18:54:52] <rmatte> no, because what dev.hw.cards()  does is cycles through those one by one [27-Apr-2011 18:55:00] <rmatte> so card becomes cpqDaCntlr0 [27-Apr-2011 18:55:04] <JohnnyNoc> right, and when i print  cards.id i see the name [27-Apr-2011 18:55:05] <JohnnyNoc> *nod* [27-Apr-2011 18:55:09] <JohnnyNoc> that's how i understood it [27-Apr-2011 18:55:38] <rmatte> I have hard disks and I can see  FWRev in those, but that doesn't help with this lol [27-Apr-2011 18:55:51] <JohnnyNoc> hahaha yea, i'm able to get the  FWRev from harddisks without a problem [27-Apr-2011 18:55:59] <JohnnyNoc> i THOUGHT it was going to be  just as easy [27-Apr-2011 18:56:00] <JohnnyNoc> [27-Apr-2011 18:56:11] <rmatte> it should have been... [27-Apr-2011 18:57:45] <rmatte> I have an idea [27-Apr-2011 18:57:47] <rmatte> one sec [27-Apr-2011 18:58:03] <rmatte> try card.getProperty('FWRev') [27-Apr-2011 18:58:18] <rmatte> if that doesn't work, try:  card.getAttribute('FWRev') [27-Apr-2011 18:59:14] <JohnnyNoc> god damn rmatte [27-Apr-2011 18:59:22] <rmatte> ? [27-Apr-2011 18:59:22] <JohnnyNoc> card.getProperty seemed to have  worked [27-Apr-2011 18:59:25] <rmatte> good stuff [27-Apr-2011 18:59:37] <rmatte> strange that you couldn't just  reference it directly, but whatever [27-Apr-2011 19:00:11] <JohnnyNoc> man [27-Apr-2011 19:00:17] <JohnnyNoc> what a good way to end a shitty  day [27-Apr-2011 19:00:21] <rmatte> hehe [27-Apr-2011 19:00:32] <rmatte> I'm about to head off too, so we  solved it just in time [27-Apr-2011 19:00:39] <JohnnyNoc> now that i'll be able to get  that i get to work on my shitty python sklls [27-Apr-2011 19:00:40] <rmatte> going to grab a beer and watch  boston vs montreal (hockey) [27-Apr-2011 19:00:40] <JohnnyNoc> [27-Apr-2011 19:00:44] <JohnnyNoc> thanks a million rmatte [27-Apr-2011 19:00:45] <JohnnyNoc> ahhhh [27-Apr-2011 19:00:46] <rmatte> np [27-Apr-2011 19:00:50] <JohnnyNoc> i watched the hawks vs  vancouver last night [27-Apr-2011 19:00:52] <JohnnyNoc> (i'm from chicago) [27-Apr-2011 19:00:56] <rmatte> vancouver pwned [27-Apr-2011 19:00:57] <JohnnyNoc> exciting game, tough loss [27-Apr-2011 19:00:59] <JohnnyNoc> enjoy the game [27-Apr-2011 19:01:00] <JohnnyNoc> [27-Apr-2011 19:01:00] <rmatte> yeh [27-Apr-2011 19:01:06] <rmatte> it was a good series [27-Apr-2011 19:01:10] <rmatte> hawks made a huge comeback [27-Apr-2011 19:01:29] <rmatte> thanks, I'll be around tomorrow [27-Apr-2011 19:01:31] <rmatte> ttyl [27-Apr-2011 19:01:43] <JohnnyNoc> yep see ya [27-Apr-2011 20:19:04] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk [27-Apr-2011 20:53:18] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away [27-Apr-2011 20:56:31] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk [28-Apr-2011 00:00:01] [disconnected at Thu Apr 28 00:00:01 2011] [28-Apr-2011 00:00:01] [connected at Thu Apr 28 00:00:01 2011] [28-Apr-2011 00:00:20] [zenoss-logger (logger bot) has joined #zenoss] [28-Apr-2011 02:11:37] _TORNADO_ is now known as TORNADO [28-Apr-2011 05:10:25] <kokey> the zenoss website is so slow [28-Apr-2011 05:10:29] <kokey> you'd think it's zope based [28-Apr-2011 05:11:03] <fragfutter> it would be fase if it was  zope based [28-Apr-2011 05:11:10] <fragfutter> s/fase/fast/ [28-Apr-2011 05:11:22] <froztbyte> isn't zope awfully shit slow? [28-Apr-2011 05:11:47] <fragfutter> froztbyte: depends what you do  and how you set it up [28-Apr-2011 05:12:21] <froztbyte> "Ogg make webpage! webpage!@" [28-Apr-2011 05:12:31] <froztbyte> with appropriate grunting [28-Apr-2011 05:12:37] <fragfutter> hehe [28-Apr-2011 05:13:24] <fragfutter> you can abuse zope in such a  hard way that it gets slow. But i have set up reasonable big sites with  it and the lived quite well. [28-Apr-2011 05:14:22] <froztbyte> well, the usual caveat probably  applies [28-Apr-2011 05:14:32] <froztbyte> lots of cluetards making shit  sites with it [28-Apr-2011 05:14:39] <froztbyte> so there's probably a bunch of  bad rep from that [28-Apr-2011 05:14:53] <froztbyte> but some of the database ideas  are insanity [28-Apr-2011 05:15:00] <froztbyte> pickled data? *really*? [28-Apr-2011 05:15:23] <fragfutter> froztbyte: same goes for typo3  and drupal and reddot and firstspirit and all the other cms i had my  hands in. [28-Apr-2011 05:16:16] <fragfutter> froztbyte: pickled data for  documents. Highly structured data goes to a seperate DB. Never abuse the  ZoDB to store thousands of same records without knowing what you are  doing. [28-Apr-2011 05:24:16] <kokey> i'm trying to figure out if i can  write a script to age certain events for me [28-Apr-2011 05:25:07] <kokey> though i'm not sure if there's a  way i can do evt.action = history on an existing event through zenmd [28-Apr-2011 05:26:05] <kokey> or perhaps i can have some kind of  transform for an event that gets triggered regularly that does this  clearing thing for me [28-Apr-2011 05:49:23] <kokey> hehe [28-Apr-2011 05:49:52] <kokey> funny to see evidence of something i  have done at my last job make its way into zenoss code: grep -i  partygaming /opt/zenoss/Products/DataCollector/EnterpriseOIDs.py  '.1.3.6.1.4.1.31236': 'PartyGaming PLC', [28-Apr-2011 06:09:03] <froztbyte> haha [28-Apr-2011 06:22:57] <kokey> argh a lot of work i have to do,  can't think of a cheap hack for this [28-Apr-2011 06:23:23] <kokey> i want to age some events regularly [28-Apr-2011 06:23:56] <kokey> well, i can just  manage_deleteEvents events them periodically [28-Apr-2011 06:24:08] <kokey> but the problem is the alerts are  set on clears [28-Apr-2011 06:24:19] <kokey> so for these i now have to set up  new alert groups, that doesn't alert on clear [28-Apr-2011 06:24:52] <kokey> across dosens of groups [28-Apr-2011 06:24:55] <kokey> ugh [28-Apr-2011 08:59:19] bzed_ is now known as bzed [28-Apr-2011 10:13:02] cJohnnyNo is now known as JohnnyNoc [28-Apr-2011 10:42:30] * rmatte yawns [28-Apr-2011 10:45:08] <Hackman238> Hello All [28-Apr-2011 10:45:34] <jrh0090> Hello [28-Apr-2011 10:46:07] * fragfutter activates backup irc logger, to  prepare dev session [28-Apr-2011 10:47:15] * Simon4 also has #zenoss logged now  [28-Apr-2011 10:47:42] <fragfutter> Simon4: but we still need to  tease nyeates with it [28-Apr-2011 10:48:05] <Simon4> fragfutter: we sure do [28-Apr-2011 10:49:00] * Simon4 has plans to do some more 3.0 zenpack  coding this weekend, since it's a long one [28-Apr-2011 10:49:14] <fragfutter> it's a long one? [28-Apr-2011 10:49:30] <Simon4> here in the UK yeah [28-Apr-2011 10:49:33] <Simon4> fri-mon off [28-Apr-2011 10:49:38] <Simon4> some silly wedding tomorrow [28-Apr-2011 10:49:42] <fragfutter> ah royal-wedding-holidays [28-Apr-2011 10:50:30] <nyeates> as long as zenoss-logger is  here...all good [28-Apr-2011 10:51:03] <fragfutter> nyeates: you won't come off  that cheap. [28-Apr-2011 10:51:20] <fragfutter> nyeates: why did no one use  zenoss to monitor the zenoss-logger [28-Apr-2011 10:51:43] <nyeates> We really should, its on a  restart loop for now [28-Apr-2011 10:52:51] <nyeates> thing is, I think its custom code  and the process was still running, but no user logged on [28-Apr-2011 10:53:35] <nyeates> hard to detect zombied  applications [28-Apr-2011 10:54:42] <rmatte> just use an eggdrop with a logger  script [28-Apr-2011 10:54:44] <rmatte> much simpler [28-Apr-2011 10:55:47] <nyeates> not sure what you mean by that  rmatte [28-Apr-2011 10:56:01] <rmatte> an eggdrop is an IRC bot that runs  as a daemon on a linux box [28-Apr-2011 10:56:10] <rmatte> most popular one out there, been  around for ages [28-Apr-2011 10:56:13] <rmatte> it supports TCL scripts [28-Apr-2011 10:56:21] <rmatte> and there are several scripts that  provide logging capabilities [28-Apr-2011 10:56:38] <fragfutter> (and it's written in tcl if i  remember correctly) [28-Apr-2011 10:56:46] <rmatte> though if your script  automagically posts the logs to the website then that's different [28-Apr-2011 10:56:57] <rmatte> I don't think it's actually  written in tcl, it's c++ [28-Apr-2011 10:57:23] <nyeates> it seperates the logs into days  and months, but i have to copy over manually [28-Apr-2011 10:57:26] <rmatte> I'll set one up for the channel  later [28-Apr-2011 10:57:27] <nyeates> ill look into eggdrop [28-Apr-2011 10:57:31] <Sam-I-Am> geh, you know your san storage  is crap when running scp kills it [28-Apr-2011 10:57:34] <nyeates> o cool [28-Apr-2011 10:57:46] <rmatte> nyeates: I have a lot of  experience with eggdrop, I'll set one up on one of my servers [28-Apr-2011 10:58:01] <fragfutter> Sam-I-Am: or your CPU is way  oversized (handles scp decryption faster then the san) [28-Apr-2011 10:58:05] <nyeates> Nice, thanks rmatte [28-Apr-2011 10:58:05] <rmatte> hmmm, I wonder if this nick will  be taken... [28-Apr-2011 10:58:09] rmatte is now known as zenny [28-Apr-2011 10:58:15] zenny is now known as rmatte [28-Apr-2011 10:58:15] <Sam-I-Am> heh [28-Apr-2011 10:58:19] <rmatte> bah, registered [28-Apr-2011 10:58:33] <Sam-I-Am> i remember when i put zenoss on  the san and it died horribly [28-Apr-2011 10:58:39] <rmatte> I'll probably name it ZennyBot or  something [28-Apr-2011 10:58:42] <Sam-I-Am> now its running on the local  storage inside the VM boxes [28-Apr-2011 10:58:54] <fragfutter> zenia? [28-Apr-2011 10:58:56] <Sam-I-Am> you guys fixing the logbot  problem? [28-Apr-2011 10:59:04] <Sam-I-Am> fragfutter: xenia! (great  tornado, btw) [28-Apr-2011 10:59:16] <nyeates> rmatte: couldnt the eggdrop die  just the same? i mean ours didnt die for a year, and all a sudden, bam [28-Apr-2011 11:01:05] <Sam-I-Am> nyeates: is it on a crappy  server? [28-Apr-2011 11:01:08] <Sam-I-Am> fleanode isnt the most stable [28-Apr-2011 11:01:49] <rmatte> nyeates: I've never seen an  eggdrop just die in my life [28-Apr-2011 11:01:59] <rmatte> nyeates: not unless the server  actually goes down lol [28-Apr-2011 11:02:14] <nyeates> We have Joseph Hanson with us  today. Anyone with thoughts on ZenPacks they are going to upgrade? [28-Apr-2011 11:02:48] <rmatte> Apparently Shane Scott has an  updated version of the IP-SLA pack already, he just isn't releasing it  yet [28-Apr-2011 11:02:54] <rmatte> I'm trying to get him to send it  to me [28-Apr-2011 11:02:55] <rmatte> lol [28-Apr-2011 11:02:55] <fragfutter> nyeates: i could point at my  gitpull request, still sitting there (and working with zenoss3) [28-Apr-2011 11:03:15] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away [28-Apr-2011 11:03:25] <rmatte> yeh, git is becoming a bad system  for the community since people aren't responding to the requests [28-Apr-2011 11:03:32] <rmatte> might as well just switch it back  to svn and call it a day [28-Apr-2011 11:03:33] <rmatte> lol [28-Apr-2011 11:03:37] <nyeates> Yeah Im sure we can work with  Shane rmatte, he is a standup guy [28-Apr-2011 11:03:39] <Sam-I-Am> sup rocket [28-Apr-2011 11:03:53] <rmatte> nyeates: cool [28-Apr-2011 11:03:56] * Simon4 has the BladeChassis ZenPack 99% done  for v3 now [28-Apr-2011 11:04:00] <davetoo> rmatte: I'd rather fix the Git  process [28-Apr-2011 11:04:01] <nyeates> and i think Shane is in here  today :-) yes? [28-Apr-2011 11:04:04] <rocket> keepin the dream alive .. [28-Apr-2011 11:04:11] <rmatte> davetoo: I was joking lol [28-Apr-2011 11:04:12] * Simon4 isn't hating git [28-Apr-2011 11:04:15] <rmatte> [28-Apr-2011 11:04:24] <rocket> rmatte: whats going on with git? [28-Apr-2011 11:04:29] <davetoo> but.. it is definitely  self-hangin'-rope if not used carefully [28-Apr-2011 11:04:33] <rmatte> [11:01am] <fragfutter>  nyeates: i could point at my gitpull request, still sitting there (and  working with zenoss3) [28-Apr-2011 11:04:45] <rmatte> requests aren't being handled [28-Apr-2011 11:04:59] <rocket> oh so a process issue on our side  it would seem [28-Apr-2011 11:05:04] * rmatte nods [28-Apr-2011 11:05:36] <Hackman238> Yes, I'm in. [28-Apr-2011 11:05:53] <fragfutter> i thought the release would be  done in a few days, after it took me months to get a "go" from my legal  department... [28-Apr-2011 11:06:10] <rocket> nyeates: who is handling the  commits on our side now? [28-Apr-2011 11:06:27] <rmatte> Hackman238: aha, it's you...  couldn't put the name to a nick until now [28-Apr-2011 11:06:31] <nyeates> git: It has been a transition  thing after Matt Ray left. Dev team kinda took it, but its been  confusing.... I am going to be trying to take it over, but dont have it  yet [28-Apr-2011 11:06:56] <Hackman238> rmatte: This weekend I'll get  you the source for the IPSLA V3 Zenpack. [28-Apr-2011 11:07:08] <rmatte> Hackman238: thanks, appreciate it [28-Apr-2011 11:07:31] <rmatte> I have a big IPSLA project coming  up, and I was going to do a big rewrite of the V2 pack, but no sense in  re-inventing the wheel [28-Apr-2011 11:07:41] <Hackman238> rmatte: You can help dev it  and test, etc. But I'd rather not release it right now. [28-Apr-2011 11:07:54] <rmatte> Hackman238: Does the v3 pack work  with 2.5, or only 3.x? [28-Apr-2011 11:08:10] <rmatte> Hackman238: that's fine, I'm good  with just deving/testing for now [28-Apr-2011 11:08:14] <rmatte> until it's more polished [28-Apr-2011 11:08:16] <Hackman238> rmatte: The new version has  its own daemon to handle all the work. It only works with V3, but only  for GUI reasons. Easily back portable. [28-Apr-2011 11:08:27] <rmatte> Ah, I see [28-Apr-2011 11:08:35] <rmatte> I'd definitely be doing a backport [28-Apr-2011 11:08:43] <rmatte> since I'm still running 2.5 in  prod [28-Apr-2011 11:08:52] <rmatte> haven't had time to properly plan  and execute an upgrade [28-Apr-2011 11:09:24] <rmatte> Well... either that or I can just  continue the route I was going with 2.5, making it work with zenperfsnmp  for now [28-Apr-2011 11:09:26] <Hackman238> rmatte: Shouldn't be too hard.  My customers run 2.5.2 and 3.0, but the demand for IPSLA lies with the  3.0 customers. [28-Apr-2011 11:09:33] <rmatte> ah [28-Apr-2011 11:10:05] <gwb235> to go from 2.5.2 to 3.1 do we have  to do a "mini-jump" to 3.0 or can we go straight to 3.1 ? [28-Apr-2011 11:10:15] <rmatte> gwb235: straight [28-Apr-2011 11:10:39] <gwb235> that's what i figured, but the  install docs didn't have that listed IIRC [28-Apr-2011 11:10:42] <rmatte> 3.1 isn't really a new release...  it's just a bugfix for 3.0.x [28-Apr-2011 11:10:48] <Hackman238> Also, if anyone is interested,  I have a zenpack comming up to handle configuring multiplication of,  load balancing, and failover of zopes from inside the webui [28-Apr-2011 11:11:41] <fragfutter> Hackman238: scary [28-Apr-2011 11:11:51] <Hackman238> Makes for very responsive and  robust webUI and its very very safe [28-Apr-2011 11:12:00] * Simon4 runs many zopes, it's great [28-Apr-2011 11:12:16] <Hackman238> I've implemented it here at  rackspace everywhere, and its working great. [28-Apr-2011 11:12:18] <Simon4> improves response times in the UI  heaps with multiple users [28-Apr-2011 11:13:00] <Hackman238> Absolutely, additionally, it  prevents zope lockup due to stupid users who hold F5 or create  multi-graph reports with over 9000 items [28-Apr-2011 11:13:27] <Hackman238> Plus failover so you can  restart individual zopes with out people having a fit. [28-Apr-2011 11:14:09] <nyeates> gwb235: you can go straught from  2.5.2 to 3.1, but its not tested. Technically, go from 2.5.2 to 3.0.3 to  3.1 [28-Apr-2011 11:14:17] <Hackman238> Sticky sessions is a must,  however, to minimize duplicate caching and duplicate sessions. [28-Apr-2011 11:14:21] <nyeates> depends how much risk you want to  take [28-Apr-2011 11:14:50] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk [28-Apr-2011 11:15:12] <rmatte> Hackman238: that pack only works  with enterprise I take it? [28-Apr-2011 11:15:30] <Hackman238> Negative. Will work with core  too. [28-Apr-2011 11:16:06] <rmatte> Is there any manual setup required  for zope? [28-Apr-2011 11:16:09] <rmatte> or all UI based? [28-Apr-2011 11:16:32] <Hackman238> Negative. All webUI after  zenpack install and its post operations. [28-Apr-2011 11:16:47] <rmatte> cool, 3.x specific I take it? [28-Apr-2011 11:17:01] <rmatte> I really need to upgrade my Zenoss  instances lol [28-Apr-2011 11:17:09] <Sam-I-Am> me too [28-Apr-2011 11:17:12] <rmatte> but first I need the time to get  the LDAP auth working [28-Apr-2011 11:17:13] <Hackman238> Negative, 2.5.x specific, but  portable to 3.x. [28-Apr-2011 11:17:24] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: not working in 3? [28-Apr-2011 11:17:24] <rmatte> then it's going to probably be a 7  hour change to do all my upgrades [28-Apr-2011 11:17:34] <rmatte> Hackman238: ah cool [28-Apr-2011 11:17:52] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: not yet... the process  to get it working is a lot different than it was in 2.5 [28-Apr-2011 11:18:05] <Sam-I-Am> oh. how about in enterprise? [28-Apr-2011 11:18:19] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: enterprise is different,  you have that lovely ZenPack that does it for you [28-Apr-2011 11:18:20] <rmatte> lol [28-Apr-2011 11:18:44] <rmatte> speaking of which, I'm fairly  certain I could throw together a community ZenPack to do the same [28-Apr-2011 11:19:28] <Hackman238> More zopes =  better so long  as 1) users are trapped on a specific zope by cookie using sticky  sessions and 2) caching is set reasonable so you do not run out of ram  and 3) users dont expire cookies intentionally to get most free threads  or specify port in url. [28-Apr-2011 11:19:57] <Hackman238> LDAP auth can be fun....even  with the ent. zenpack. [28-Apr-2011 11:20:20] <rmatte> yeh, I got it running perfectly in  my 2.5 instances [28-Apr-2011 11:20:22] <nyeates> LDAP was never productized, and  it needs to be [28-Apr-2011 11:20:29] <rmatte> just need to sort out installation  of the plugin [28-Apr-2011 11:20:38] <themactech> I got LDAP working on 3.1 no  prob [28-Apr-2011 11:20:42] <Sam-I-Am> ldap is kinda hackey even in  enterprise [28-Apr-2011 11:20:46] <themactech> using ubuntu 10.1 server [28-Apr-2011 11:21:04] <rmatte> themactech: the problem with me is  that most of my Zenoss servers are 8.04, which means old system python  libraries [28-Apr-2011 11:21:16] <rmatte> so the new LDAP plugin isn't  really cooperating. [28-Apr-2011 11:21:27] <themactech> Yeah I gave up on ubuntu  running 2.4 python doing LDAP auth [28-Apr-2011 11:21:34] <themactech> So easy once you are running  python 2.6 [28-Apr-2011 11:21:38] <themactech> very few steps [28-Apr-2011 11:21:46] <rmatte> speaking of which, I threw  together an upgrade script to move them from 8.04 to 10.04, I really  should run that soon [28-Apr-2011 11:22:00] <Hackman238> I agree with Sam-I-Am. Zenoss  issues way too many auth queries, even with auth failure. Results in  potiential lockout in the event of 3 strikes and your out LDAP auth  policy. [28-Apr-2011 11:22:10] <rmatte> probably 2 days worth of upgrades  to do, and they can only be done during our weekly change window, going  to take forever [28-Apr-2011 11:22:11] <davetoo> indeed [28-Apr-2011 11:22:25] <rmatte> I think I'll do one next week, so  make sure it goes well [28-Apr-2011 11:22:30] <themactech> In my case though I  authenticate to Apple OD servers [28-Apr-2011 11:22:31] <rmatte> then continue with one a week  until they're all done [28-Apr-2011 11:22:35] <themactech> Have to try with AD soon [28-Apr-2011 11:23:12] <rmatte> themactech: AD works fine from  what I hear... I just authenticate against OpenLDAP [28-Apr-2011 11:24:18] <themactech> Yeah AD would give me more  options, with OD, since apple uses posix groups, the LDAP plugin doesn't  support it so I can't do group assignments.  Some guy has a patch for  the python ldap plugin but I don't know how to apply.  It allows the  python ldap plugin to handle posix groups [28-Apr-2011 11:29:17] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: i havent figured out  why its so chatty... and not sure the ram cache helps much. [28-Apr-2011 11:29:24] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: my sysadmin has  gotten a bit pissed about it [28-Apr-2011 11:31:40] <nyeates> There is a fix posted for too  many AD auth request... i poseted it to forum and still working with  hackman to get it fixed on his implement....it has worked countless  other times elsewhere tho. Should be fixed in 3.0 [28-Apr-2011 11:32:00] <Hackman238> Hackman238: Same here. My  admin doesnt care, but instead, my NOC users end up with a locked SSO  which prevents work and creates chaos. [28-Apr-2011 11:34:38] <nyeates> LDAP Auth Fail Fix:  message/58080#58080 [28-Apr-2011 11:35:50] <nyeates> While we have devs here, any  questions specific to them? [28-Apr-2011 11:37:43] <Hackman238> I'm sure I'll think of some  later. LOL [28-Apr-2011 11:38:24] <Hackman238> Have to run- must interview a  guy. Later all; rmatte-I'll PM you the Zenpack this weekend. [28-Apr-2011 11:41:57] <nyeates> Curiosity question. Anyone here  using public "cloud" services for any infrastructure? Any Internal  "cloud" (self service infra)? [28-Apr-2011 11:43:04] <nyeates> I know Netflix moved to Amazon  for much of their infra.... curious to see if others are making any  moves [28-Apr-2011 11:45:11] <nyeates> *crickets* - guess not [28-Apr-2011 11:45:21] <Sashness> my company has been interested  in moving towards cloud for certain things but not a full fledge move [28-Apr-2011 11:45:23] <Sashness> at least not yet [28-Apr-2011 11:45:43] <nyeates> yeah, well, that is case with  most movers i think [28-Apr-2011 11:45:57] <nyeates> have you looked at any  technologies or vendors yet? [28-Apr-2011 11:46:16] <Sashness> biggest issue we have is we made  a pretty big investment in hardware/infrastructure which will be  rendered moot [28-Apr-2011 11:46:28] <Sashness> i don't think someone wants to  justify that part of it. lol [28-Apr-2011 11:46:50] <Sashness> we've looked at using  ec2/rackspace/vmware via terremark [28-Apr-2011 11:46:56] <nyeates> your existing resources wont be  made moot if you make your own self-service or hybrid cloud that can  burst to public [28-Apr-2011 11:47:11] * fragfutter wonders what it will cost to by a  petabyte of storage in a cloud [28-Apr-2011 11:47:21] <nyeates> terremark bought by verizon [28-Apr-2011 11:47:52] <Sashness> yeah exactly nyeats. what we  want to do is use something like euclyptis so we can be somewhat vendor  agnostic and can still use our own virtual infrastructure in house [28-Apr-2011 11:47:59] <Sashness> frag: lol too much [28-Apr-2011 11:48:06] <nyeates> petabye, what is that in TBs? [28-Apr-2011 11:48:14] <Sashness> 1000 TB i believe [28-Apr-2011 11:48:33] <Sashness> 1024 TB [28-Apr-2011 11:49:35] <nyeates> $105,000 to just get 1PB of data  into the cloud :-)...nm getting it out and using it [28-Apr-2011 11:50:02] <Sashness> haha [28-Apr-2011 11:50:46] <nyeates> sash: check on cloud.com compared  to eucalyptus - i think its based off openstack/rackspace [28-Apr-2011 11:51:01] <themactech> damn, i feel inadequate,  largest SAN we built is 254TB [28-Apr-2011 11:51:18] <nyeates> wow, that is pretty large [28-Apr-2011 11:51:23] <Sashness> nyeates: ohh cool. thanks. will  check it out [28-Apr-2011 11:51:40] <akafritz> howdy folks.  does anyone here  utilize the community zenpak SQL Data Source? [28-Apr-2011 11:52:46] <themactech> We are now testing in our lab  building a SAN with the new Promise and Rorke Chassis, with a StorNext  MDC instead of Apple's XSAN, since they yanked their xserves [28-Apr-2011 11:53:05] <themactech> All that will have to be  monitored by Zenoss [28-Apr-2011 11:53:44] <nyeates> Interesting, how will you do that  monitoring themactech? [28-Apr-2011 11:54:10] <themactech> I have made modelers for Apple  OS X and for the old Promise VTrak chassis [28-Apr-2011 11:54:33] <themactech> Not where I want them to be  yet, still have to figure out how to do custom components in modelers [28-Apr-2011 11:55:00] <themactech> but since SNMP monitoring is  part time for me, I get into it, make progress then have to work on  something else for a few months... [28-Apr-2011 11:55:08] <themactech> Have to build a holodeck now [28-Apr-2011 11:55:16] <themactech> always busy never bored [28-Apr-2011 11:59:59] <jrh0090> Honestly I have no idea how to  that, I can totally ask around though [28-Apr-2011 12:00:01] [disconnected at Thu Apr 28 12:00:01 2011] [28-Apr-2011 12:00:02] [connected at Thu Apr 28 12:00:02 2011] [28-Apr-2011 12:00:17] [zenoss-logger (logger bot) has joined #zenoss] [28-Apr-2011 12:01:19] <nyeates> themactech: i asked jrh if he  knew about custom components for modelers [28-Apr-2011 12:02:03] <jrh0090> and I asked kells [28-Apr-2011 12:02:49] <nyeates> I think this will mark the end of  our Dev session. Thanks everyone! [28-Apr-2011 12:06:32] <themactech> Jane's paper is my best lead [28-Apr-2011 12:06:41] <themactech> Will work on it some more  hopefully this weekend [28-Apr-2011 12:12:26] <Jane_Curry> Have I missed it all???? [28-Apr-2011 12:12:42] <Sam-I-Am> yep :/ [28-Apr-2011 12:12:49] <Sam-I-Am> not much happened though [28-Apr-2011 12:22:04] <Jane_Curry> any comment on the idea that  the "big draw" to update ZenPacks is now down to a T-shirt plus a Zenny  zeebra? [28-Apr-2011 12:23:02] <Jane_Curry> Has anyone there used the  Predictive Threshold ZenPack????? [28-Apr-2011 12:23:18] <Jane_Curry> I have updated it for Zenoss 3  and I am looking for testers [28-Apr-2011 12:27:51] <][ceman> Is there a meathod for updating  the OS Manufacturer with the Linux flavor using SNMP? [28-Apr-2011 12:28:13] <Sam-I-Am> nope [28-Apr-2011 12:28:16] <][ceman> I saw some zenpacks that do it  using SSH, which I might test out [28-Apr-2011 12:28:22] <Sam-I-Am> get to put those in manually  unless they come with the zenpacks [28-Apr-2011 13:00:27] <rmatte> ][ceman: That's not even exposed  via SNMP, so it's not possible with a default net-snmp agent as far as  I've seen [28-Apr-2011 13:01:48] * rmatte shakes fist at whoever had the bright  idea of downgrading our internet circuit here [28-Apr-2011 13:03:48] <davetoo> I put in an order (supposedly) to  have my UVerse switched from 12Mb to 18Mb for the same cost [28-Apr-2011 13:03:50] <davetoo> a week ago [28-Apr-2011 13:03:52] <davetoo> nothing' [28-Apr-2011 13:03:54] <davetoo> s chagned [28-Apr-2011 13:04:26] <Sam-I-Am> ugh, uverse [28-Apr-2011 13:08:01] <davetoo> I hate AT&T less than I hate  Comcast [28-Apr-2011 13:12:33] <Sam-I-Am> at least comcast doesnt hand you  private address space (or didnt used to) [28-Apr-2011 13:13:08] <joko_> interesting [28-Apr-2011 13:29:46] <rmatte> AT&T are brutal to deal  with... [28-Apr-2011 13:29:57] <rmatte> I dealt with them a lot back when I  was a network analyst [28-Apr-2011 13:30:19] <rmatte> "Please do NOT test this data  circuit!" - an hour later, circuit drops off... [28-Apr-2011 13:30:27] <rmatte> call them and sure enough, they  were testing it [28-Apr-2011 13:32:16] <rmatte> Or go through a week worth of  nightly testing to finally have them admit that the problem is with  their equipment, not the customer's [28-Apr-2011 13:32:24] <rmatte> then again that's not unique to  AT&T [28-Apr-2011 13:32:59] <rmatte> BT Ireland is actually the worst  carrier I've ever dealt with (well, the worst that actually spoke  english) [28-Apr-2011 13:33:07] <rmatte> Telmex is the worst (carrier in  mexico) [28-Apr-2011 13:33:30] <rmatte> but you don't really expect much  from a mexican carrier anyways [28-Apr-2011 13:34:37] <rmatte> Having to call a translation  service every time you call a carrier gets quite tedious [28-Apr-2011 13:36:28] <fassil> Hi All . . Can any one please help  me how to monitor the java process .. I gave the Regular expression as  java ..its not working can anyone please help me how to do this [28-Apr-2011 13:37:07] <rmatte> fassil: this is a java process  running on a linux server? [28-Apr-2011 13:39:25] <fassil> its a Java process running on  Windows Serevr [28-Apr-2011 13:39:39] <rmatte> ok, so what's the exact name of  the process in task manager? [28-Apr-2011 13:39:40] <rmatte> java.exe? [28-Apr-2011 13:39:57] <fassil> yes [28-Apr-2011 13:40:26] <rmatte> ok, so that should be your  regex... and you need to actually add an entry in the Processes section  of Zenoss with java.exe as the regex [28-Apr-2011 13:40:32] <rmatte> and make sure monitor is set to  true for it [28-Apr-2011 13:40:39] <rmatte> then remodel the device [28-Apr-2011 13:40:48] <rmatte> (make sure the device isn't locked  when you remodel) [28-Apr-2011 13:46:22] <fassil> I tried by giving the java.exe and  modeled the device but i am unable to get the process [28-Apr-2011 13:46:30] <fassil> can u please help me out in this [28-Apr-2011 13:52:46] <nyeates> xuru long time no see [28-Apr-2011 13:53:20] <xuru> nyeates: howdy, been pretty busy [28-Apr-2011 13:54:09] <nyeates> rmatte: btw, i merged my first  git pull request a bit ago.... i think i might be taking this over from  dev [28-Apr-2011 13:56:01] <rmatte> cool [28-Apr-2011 13:56:53] <rmatte> fassil: Provide a screenshot of  the entry that you configured in the processes section [28-Apr-2011 13:57:17] <rmatte> I've already explained what you  need to do, it's difficult to determine where you're tripping up when I  can't see what you're seeing [28-Apr-2011 13:57:43] <xuru> nyeates: nice page!  I'll have to  work on a few myself... [28-Apr-2011 13:57:47] * xuru points to topic [28-Apr-2011 13:58:13] <rmatte> a perfect circle are coming to  Ottawa, woot [28-Apr-2011 13:58:19] <rmatte> (band) [28-Apr-2011 13:58:29] <nyeates> xuru: cool, send me an email  community@zenoss.com when you know which ones you will be doing [28-Apr-2011 13:59:25] <xuru> nyeates: will do.  When and if I get  the time :/  I'm currently battling VMware [28-Apr-2011 13:59:39] <rmatte> battling vmware, lol [28-Apr-2011 14:00:28] <rmatte> We've got our demo of zenoss  enterprise tomorrow.  Hopefully I can convince management to buy it...  but I've yet to see any price figures [28-Apr-2011 14:00:49] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: just add zeros to some  number [28-Apr-2011 14:00:53] <rmatte> hehe [28-Apr-2011 14:00:57] <nyeates> rmatte: do you know who is  demoing to you? [28-Apr-2011 14:01:11] <rmatte> nyeates: I'm not sure who the  engineer is actually going to be, no [28-Apr-2011 14:01:18] <rmatte> actually let me check the meeting  request [28-Apr-2011 14:01:22] <nyeates> or who youve been dealing with [28-Apr-2011 14:02:27] * rmatte waits for outlook to load [28-Apr-2011 14:03:05] * nyeates is so glad he has never had to use  outlook [28-Apr-2011 14:03:11] <fassil> @rmatte:i will check and get back  to u [28-Apr-2011 14:03:18] <rmatte> meh, I don't mind outlook  personally [28-Apr-2011 14:03:31] <rmatte> I just hate having to run a  windows VM for just Outlook and VMware's client [28-Apr-2011 14:03:41] <nyeates> slow and crashy and ugly last  time i used it [28-Apr-2011 14:03:44] <nyeates> but that was a while ago [28-Apr-2011 14:03:59] <rmatte> yeh, you were probably using the  office 2000 version [28-Apr-2011 14:04:02] <rmatte> it's much nicer now [28-Apr-2011 14:04:25] <rmatte> I've been dealing withy Gena  Ferrabee [28-Apr-2011 14:04:29] <rmatte> with* [28-Apr-2011 14:04:57] <nyeates> ahh ok cool, ill put in a good  word for u - treat u like a rockstar hopefully :-) [28-Apr-2011 14:05:25] <rmatte> lol well... I don't know if that's  really going to help with pricing [28-Apr-2011 14:05:26] <rmatte> lol [28-Apr-2011 14:06:14] <nyeates> very true. still, helps her to  know that you are important to us in more ways than just a sale [28-Apr-2011 14:06:15] <rmatte> "This guy makes tons of ZenPacks  and helps people with Zenoss."  "That's cool, that'll be $100,000 Mr.  Matte." [28-Apr-2011 14:06:24] <fassil> @rmatte:I am monitoring the device  through WMI when i am modeling the device iam getting this error Can  you please help me out in this "File  "/opt/zenoss/Products/ZenHub/PBDaemon.py", line 75, in inner" [28-Apr-2011 14:06:25] <nyeates> lol [28-Apr-2011 14:06:50] <rmatte> fassil: are you using Egor's WMI  packs? [28-Apr-2011 14:07:05] <rmatte> also, you need to fpaste.org more  of the error than that [28-Apr-2011 14:07:10] <rmatte> that's not enough to go on [28-Apr-2011 14:09:08] <rmatte> nyeates: but yeh, that'd be cool  if you do put in a good word anyways hehe [28-Apr-2011 14:13:41] <fassil> yes I am using Egor's WMI packs i  will paste the error here [28-Apr-2011 14:13:47] <fassil> in the fpaste.org [28-Apr-2011 14:14:16] <fassil> http://fpaste.org/d6Ro/ [28-Apr-2011 14:14:25] <fassil> @rmatte: Please help me out [28-Apr-2011 14:17:10] <Hackman238> nyeates: Can you send me a  copy of ZenPacks.zenoss.ZEC-1.1.0-py2.4.egg on the portal? [28-Apr-2011 14:30:35] <fassil> @rmatte:Can you please help me in  this [28-Apr-2011 14:31:00] <rmatte> one sec [28-Apr-2011 14:31:50] <rmatte> the first line that jumps right  out at me is... [28-Apr-2011 14:31:50] <rmatte> RemoteException: Remote exception:  : IP address conflict for IP: Traceback (most recent call last): [28-Apr-2011 14:31:57] <rmatte> do you have two devices in there  with the same IP? [28-Apr-2011 14:33:17] <rmatte> I think I see what's happening... [28-Apr-2011 14:33:38] <rmatte> you're trying to model a device,  and it's seeing that the IP address of one of the interfaces matches a  device that you already have in the system [28-Apr-2011 14:33:48] <rmatte> so it assumes that you're trying  to add the same device twice [28-Apr-2011 14:39:59] <JohnnyNoc> Mail.app > Outlook [28-Apr-2011 14:40:00] <JohnnyNoc> :X [28-Apr-2011 14:40:55] <rmatte> lol [28-Apr-2011 14:41:20] <fassil> @rmatte:No i have only one IP [28-Apr-2011 14:41:42] <rmatte> I'm talking about the IP of the  interface, not of the device [28-Apr-2011 14:41:55] <fassil> even i tried by deleting it and  re-added .. after deleting it i did search with the IP address but i  didnt found [28-Apr-2011 14:42:06] <rmatte> the IP of the interface, not the  device [28-Apr-2011 14:42:12] <rmatte> it's picking up an interface [28-Apr-2011 14:42:19] <rmatte> and it's seeing that the IP on  that interface is whatever [28-Apr-2011 14:42:31] <rmatte> then it's finding that same IP  assigned to a device, or on an interface somewhere else [28-Apr-2011 14:42:34] <rmatte> so it's complaining [28-Apr-2011 14:42:49] <rmatte> the proper way to deal with that  is to track down the conflicting device or interface [28-Apr-2011 14:42:58] <fassil> so do u want me to change the Ip  of the interface? [28-Apr-2011 14:43:03] <rmatte> no [28-Apr-2011 14:43:13] <rmatte> you need to figure out what the  conflict is first [28-Apr-2011 14:43:27] <rmatte> once you know what is conflicting  with what, then you'll have to deal with it [28-Apr-2011 14:43:38] <rmatte> but the way you deal with it  depends on what the conflict is [28-Apr-2011 14:43:41] <fassil> oh sure will check and get back to  us [28-Apr-2011 14:43:46] <fassil> Thansk for the help [28-Apr-2011 14:43:51] <rmatte> np [28-Apr-2011 14:45:31] <rmatte> The other thing is that it should  have just given you a message that says IP Address Conflict for IP:  192.168.0.1 [28-Apr-2011 14:45:34] <rmatte> or whatever [28-Apr-2011 14:45:44] <rmatte> but there's some bug in the code  that's causing it to throw up when it tries to do that [28-Apr-2011 14:46:30] <rmatte> I think this is the line that it's  having problems with: ipobj = networks.findIp(ip) [28-Apr-2011 14:47:51] <rmatte> bigegor: I was just helping  someone, when they remodel a device and get an IP Address conflict with  your pack (WMI), they get the following traceback instead of the usual  "IP address conflict for IP: 192.168.0.1" or whatever:  http://fpaste.org/d6Ro/ [28-Apr-2011 14:47:53] <fassil> do i need to give the interface ip  over there [28-Apr-2011 14:48:07] <rmatte> bigegor: just pointing it out in  case it's something you can fix in the code [28-Apr-2011 14:48:44] <rmatte> fassil: If the IP for the  interface already exists on a different device then you need to either  temporarily change the IP of the other device before you remodel... [28-Apr-2011 14:48:55] <rmatte> or you need to remove the  interface that has that IP on the other device [28-Apr-2011 14:49:04] <rmatte> then add the device [28-Apr-2011 14:49:06] <rmatte> and remodel [28-Apr-2011 14:49:17] <rmatte> you really just have to mess  around until you get it to accept both IPs [28-Apr-2011 14:49:22] <fassil> none of the other device is using  this IP [28-Apr-2011 14:49:33] <fassil> only that Device is using the IP [28-Apr-2011 14:49:37] <rmatte> did you actually check the  interfaces on the other devices as well? [28-Apr-2011 14:49:45] * joko_ wishes you could copy alerting rules  [28-Apr-2011 14:49:50] <fassil> yes i checked [28-Apr-2011 14:49:54] <rmatte> joko_: I hear you hehe [28-Apr-2011 14:50:02] <fassil> even i checked in the DHCP server  as well [28-Apr-2011 14:50:05] <joko_> such a slow painful annoyance [28-Apr-2011 14:50:08] <rmatte> joko_: actually you may be able  to... let me see if my usual trick works for it... [28-Apr-2011 14:50:18] <fassil> i did nt found any IP Conflict [28-Apr-2011 14:50:40] <rmatte> fassil: what version of Zenoss is  this that you're using? [28-Apr-2011 14:50:55] <fassil> 3.10 [28-Apr-2011 14:51:16] <rmatte> and you're using the absolute  newest version of egor's pack? [28-Apr-2011 14:51:37] <fassil> yeah i am using the new version [28-Apr-2011 14:52:06] <rmatte> joko_: yeh, my trick does work [28-Apr-2011 14:52:16] <joko_> o? tricky tricky [28-Apr-2011 14:52:17] <rmatte> joko_: shall I walk you through  it? [28-Apr-2011 14:52:18] <fassil> ZenPacks.community.WMIDataSource  (/opt/zenoss/ZenPacks/ZenPacks.community.WMIDataSource-2.11.egg) [28-Apr-2011 14:52:27] <joko_> rmatte: how involved is it? [28-Apr-2011 14:52:32] <rmatte> joko_: not at all [28-Apr-2011 14:52:43] <joko_> rmatte: sure if you don't mind, im  on 3.1.0 now fyi [28-Apr-2011 14:52:45] <fassil> this is the zen pack version which  i installed in the zenoss [28-Apr-2011 14:53:03] <rmatte> joko_: ok... let me check if it  works the same on that [28-Apr-2011 14:53:21] <rmatte> fassil: let me help joko for a  second [28-Apr-2011 14:53:31] <fassil> sure Rmatte [28-Apr-2011 14:54:04] <rmatte> joko_: k cool, exactly the same in  3.1 [28-Apr-2011 14:54:09] <joko_> rad [28-Apr-2011 14:54:25] <rmatte> joko_: go to the page where you  actually see the rules [28-Apr-2011 14:54:34] <rmatte> it'll be something like:  /zport/dmd/ZenUsers/admin/editActionRules [28-Apr-2011 14:54:59] <rmatte> tell me when you're there [28-Apr-2011 14:55:16] <joko_> uno sec [28-Apr-2011 14:55:41] <joko_> yep [28-Apr-2011 14:55:42] <joko_> there [28-Apr-2011 14:55:53] <rmatte> replace the editActionRules with  manage and hit enter [28-Apr-2011 14:56:00] <xuru> ah, the perfect site to figure out  server names:  http://www.superheronames.net/ [28-Apr-2011 14:56:04] <rmatte> should look like:  /zport/dmd/ZenUsers/admin/manage [28-Apr-2011 14:56:10] <joko_> oh damn [28-Apr-2011 14:56:11] <rmatte> xuru: hehe [28-Apr-2011 14:56:14] <joko_> that is LEGIT [28-Apr-2011 14:56:23] <xuru> [28-Apr-2011 14:56:28] <rmatte> joko_: zope management interface [28-Apr-2011 14:56:33] <joko_> very cool [28-Apr-2011 14:56:48] <rmatte> so yeh, checkbox next to the one  you want to copy [28-Apr-2011 14:56:53] <rmatte> then click copy [28-Apr-2011 14:56:56] <rmatte> then click paste [28-Apr-2011 14:57:01] <joko_> well fancy [28-Apr-2011 14:57:02] <rmatte> then you'll see copy_of_whatever [28-Apr-2011 14:57:08] <rmatte> put a checkbox next to that, and  click rename [28-Apr-2011 14:57:11] <rmatte> and rename it to whatever [28-Apr-2011 14:57:12] <fassil> Hey Rmatte:Iam going for Lunch  will catch once i finis [28-Apr-2011 14:57:13] <rmatte> and you're done [28-Apr-2011 14:57:18] <joko_> i'll make note of that [28-Apr-2011 14:57:22] <joko_> appreciate the tip [28-Apr-2011 14:57:29] <rmatte> it works for device templates too  by the way [28-Apr-2011 14:57:41] <joko_> very nice [28-Apr-2011 14:57:54] <rmatte> I'm heading home, I'll be back on  when I get there [28-Apr-2011 14:57:57] <rmatte> later [28-Apr-2011 14:58:40] <joko_> later man [28-Apr-2011 16:04:57] <rmatte> ...annnnd I'm back [28-Apr-2011 16:09:12] <d-rock> Howdy all, I've been searching  epydoc and the wiki for a bit now and can't seem to find where the "evt"  is defined for Event transforms [28-Apr-2011 16:09:36] <d-rock> Like on this example page:  docs/DOC-5822 [28-Apr-2011 16:13:25] <rmatte> d-rock: what do you mean by where  it's defined? [28-Apr-2011 16:13:33] <rmatte> you mean what you're capable of  referencing with it? [28-Apr-2011 16:13:55] <d-rock> Is it not a twisted object? [28-Apr-2011 16:14:00] <d-rock> Is it just a dictionary? [28-Apr-2011 16:14:00] <rmatte> (I wrote that document you're  referencing) [28-Apr-2011 16:14:11] <rmatte> It's a zope element [28-Apr-2011 16:14:24] <d-rock> I'm just trying to figure out what  details I can match against to drop certain messages [28-Apr-2011 16:14:41] <rmatte> double click on an event and look  at it's properties [28-Apr-2011 16:14:45] <rmatte> anything in there can be  referenced [28-Apr-2011 16:15:38] <rmatte> the way that evt is actually  generated would be like so: evt =  dmd.ZenEventManager.getEventDetailFromStatusOrHistory(e.evid) [28-Apr-2011 16:15:45] <rmatte> but that's not important for what  you're wanting to do [28-Apr-2011 16:15:50] <d-rock> OK, but are the values that I can  match just strings, or could I, say, dereference the "device" property  to look at device properties [28-Apr-2011 16:16:07] <d-rock> OK [28-Apr-2011 16:16:13] <d-rock> I think I was overthinking this [28-Apr-2011 16:16:14] <rmatte> evt is for event properties, dev  is for device properties [28-Apr-2011 16:16:28] <rmatte> they are automatically defined  before a transform is run [28-Apr-2011 16:16:43] <d-rock> And dev would be defined for the  device the event applies to? [28-Apr-2011 16:16:48] <rmatte> correct [28-Apr-2011 16:17:00] <rmatte> so you could do dev.ipAddress or  whatever [28-Apr-2011 16:17:07] <d-rock> OK [28-Apr-2011 16:17:12] <rmatte> though that's pointless since  evt.ipAddress exists too [28-Apr-2011 16:17:13] <d-rock> The docs are a bit confusing there [28-Apr-2011 16:17:16] <rmatte> use evt as much as possible [28-Apr-2011 16:17:24] <d-rock> Yeah [28-Apr-2011 16:17:37] <rmatte> a use for dev would be something  like... [28-Apr-2011 16:17:39] <d-rock> I just want to suppress events for  pre-production [28-Apr-2011 16:17:44] <rmatte> for i in dev.os.interfaces(): [28-Apr-2011 16:17:44] <d-rock> Although there' [28-Apr-2011 16:17:47] <d-rock> Right [28-Apr-2011 16:18:12] <rmatte> that would be evt.ProdState I  believe [28-Apr-2011 16:18:14] <d-rock> One other request from my customer  is to do event transforms based on the Location that a given device is  in, but that looks not so easy [28-Apr-2011 16:18:19] <d-rock> Yup [28-Apr-2011 16:18:27] <rmatte> if evt.ProdState < 1000: [28-Apr-2011 16:18:34] <rmatte> would suppress anything lower than  production [28-Apr-2011 16:18:46] <d-rock> Right [28-Apr-2011 16:19:10] <d-rock> OK, makes more sense. I had  written a modeler plugin a week or so ago and I think I had zope DB  objects on the brain [28-Apr-2011 16:19:13] <rmatte> (I'm doing this off the top of my  head, so might be slightly off with the property name) [28-Apr-2011 16:19:19] <rmatte> ah [28-Apr-2011 16:19:27] <rmatte> transforms are pretty simple in  comparison [28-Apr-2011 16:19:37] <d-rock> That's good for me [28-Apr-2011 16:19:43] <d-rock> Thanks for the clarification! [28-Apr-2011 16:19:43] <rmatte> hehe [28-Apr-2011 16:19:47] <rmatte> no problem [28-Apr-2011 16:20:05] <rmatte> aha, it's evt.prodState [28-Apr-2011 16:20:07] <rmatte> I was close [28-Apr-2011 16:20:29] <rmatte> If you go to settings you can see  the translations from prod state number to name [28-Apr-2011 16:20:31] <rmatte> Production:1000 [28-Apr-2011 16:20:31] <rmatte> Pre-Production:500 [28-Apr-2011 16:20:31] <rmatte> Test:400 [28-Apr-2011 16:20:31] <rmatte> Maintenance:300 [28-Apr-2011 16:20:31] <rmatte> Decommissioned:-1 [28-Apr-2011 16:20:48] <rmatte> you can actually add your own in  too if necessary [28-Apr-2011 16:21:08] <d-rock> Yeah, I saw those there, just  missed correlating that when I looked at the event detail [28-Apr-2011 16:22:23] <rmatte> hehe [28-Apr-2011 16:22:42] <d-rock> One more quick question vis-a-vis  transform code: "re" is already imported, right? I don't have to import  that manually? [28-Apr-2011 16:23:11] <d-rock> I mean, I could always "import re"  at the start of the transform, I guess... [28-Apr-2011 16:24:05] <rmatte> you have to import re, at least in  my experience [28-Apr-2011 16:24:19] <rmatte> but try not to overuse re... the  code I wrote was back when I had bad habbits... [28-Apr-2011 16:24:26] <rmatte> you're better off to do... [28-Apr-2011 16:24:35] <rmatte> if evt.device == "ottawa": [28-Apr-2011 16:24:50] <rmatte> or for a partial match: if  "ottawa" in evt.device: [28-Apr-2011 16:25:01] <rmatte> it's lower intensity than using  regex [28-Apr-2011 16:25:29] <d-rock> OK, although I'm trying to match  "ip .* is down" [28-Apr-2011 16:25:47] <rmatte> ah [28-Apr-2011 16:25:52] <rmatte> that makes sense then [28-Apr-2011 16:25:55] <d-rock> I guess I could use whatever the  python equivs to startsWith and endsWith are, together [28-Apr-2011 16:26:25] <rmatte> although if the mapping is  actually against /Status/Ping, you could really just do: if "is down" in  evt.summary: [28-Apr-2011 16:26:39] <rmatte> you won't have any other events  coming in as /Status/Ping anyways [28-Apr-2011 16:26:40] <d-rock> True [28-Apr-2011 16:26:54] <d-rock> OK, now that I've actually saved  the thing, where did it go? [28-Apr-2011 16:27:03] <rmatte> haha [28-Apr-2011 16:27:06] <rmatte> ? [28-Apr-2011 16:27:40] <d-rock> I just entered the transform and  hit save, but if I want to edit it, where would I find it? [28-Apr-2011 16:28:01] <rmatte> well it depends on where you  entered it in [28-Apr-2011 16:28:05] <rmatte> was it an event mapping? [28-Apr-2011 16:28:10] <rmatte> or was it against an actual class? [28-Apr-2011 16:28:20] <d-rock> Good question [28-Apr-2011 16:28:31] <rmatte> lol [28-Apr-2011 16:28:35] <d-rock> Well [28-Apr-2011 16:28:40] <rmatte> You need to be concious of where  you're putting your transforms [28-Apr-2011 16:28:51] <d-rock> Now you tell me [28-Apr-2011 16:29:08] <rmatte> what did you click on to get to  the spot where you were entering it? [28-Apr-2011 16:29:09] <d-rock> I just went to "Event Classes" and  did "transform" there [28-Apr-2011 16:29:56] <d-rock> OK [28-Apr-2011 16:29:57] <d-rock> I get it [28-Apr-2011 16:30:01] <d-rock> One transform per class [28-Apr-2011 16:30:24] <d-rock> I just did the same thing and  voilá, code [28-Apr-2011 16:30:56] <rmatte> oh, you literally applied your  transform against the / class [28-Apr-2011 16:31:20] <rmatte> there are 2 types of transforms...  the ones applied against actual classes, and the ones applied as  mappings [28-Apr-2011 16:31:28] <d-rock> Yeah [28-Apr-2011 16:31:40] <rmatte> the majority you'll want to do as  mappings, but for some system events (like ping, or thresholds) you'll  want to do it against the class. [28-Apr-2011 16:31:41] <d-rock> I want to apply to the whole  /perf/SNMP and /perf/ping classes, right? [28-Apr-2011 16:31:51] <rmatte> no, you want /Status/Ping class [28-Apr-2011 16:31:53] <d-rock> Maybe I should explain what I'm  going for [28-Apr-2011 16:31:57] <rmatte> k [28-Apr-2011 16:31:59] <rmatte> shoot [28-Apr-2011 16:32:01] <d-rock> Doh, that's what I meant [28-Apr-2011 16:32:37] <d-rock> OK, the network I'm monitoring has  specific devices that should be on the network, but as part of their  workflow they want to add them ahead of time to ZenOSS [28-Apr-2011 16:32:56] <d-rock> So they just want to avoid *any*  display for pre-production devices [28-Apr-2011 16:33:17] <rmatte> so it's not just about blocking  alerts, you literally want all events for pre-prod devices to be  ignored? [28-Apr-2011 16:33:31] <d-rock> With the default settings, they  don't see *status* for the pre-prod devices, but they do see hundreds of  events about the devices not being reachable [28-Apr-2011 16:33:33] <d-rock> Bingo [28-Apr-2011 16:33:38] <d-rock> Well [28-Apr-2011 16:33:39] <rmatte> Ok, that's easy... [28-Apr-2011 16:33:40] <d-rock> Not all alerts [28-Apr-2011 16:33:48] <rmatte> oh [28-Apr-2011 16:33:55] <rmatte> so just ping and snmp agent down  alerts? [28-Apr-2011 16:33:56] <d-rock> They want to get an alert if one  of the devices comes up [28-Apr-2011 16:34:01] <d-rock> Right [28-Apr-2011 16:34:15] <d-rock> Because technically a device  shouldn't be live until they've gone through some setup [28-Apr-2011 16:34:29] <Hackman238> Why not just place them in  maintenance prod state? [28-Apr-2011 16:34:31] <d-rock> So in this case down is the new up  [28-Apr-2011 16:34:43] <rmatte> yeh, that's what maintenance  production state is designed for [28-Apr-2011 16:34:51] <rmatte> to continue polling the device but  suppress all alerts [28-Apr-2011 16:35:09] <d-rock> But would that allow me to alert  someone if a device comes up? [28-Apr-2011 16:35:37] <Hackman238> then create transform for if  prodstate is maint. and device is now up, alert + eventcommant  device.setProdState to production [28-Apr-2011 16:35:41] <d-rock> I use maintenance windows heavily  for things and they work great, but my understanding is that it  basically suppresses everything [28-Apr-2011 16:35:49] <d-rock> Hmmm [28-Apr-2011 16:36:12] <d-rock> Now that I think about it, would  it better to create a new state specifically for this use case? They  might want to use an actual maintenance state for maintenance [28-Apr-2011 16:36:37] <Hackman238> Can even condition it more by  adding all these devices to a system or group called 'pre-populated' or  soemthing. [28-Apr-2011 16:36:54] <rmatte> yeh [28-Apr-2011 16:36:59] <Hackman238> That way other maint. devices  don't trigger that transform [28-Apr-2011 16:37:02] <d-rock> Being able to control this by  putting it into a Location would be ideal [28-Apr-2011 16:37:10] <d-rock> Or a group [28-Apr-2011 16:37:21] <rmatte> just create a custom production  state [28-Apr-2011 16:37:32] <d-rock> Actually [28-Apr-2011 16:37:36] <rmatte> Pre-Populated:501 [28-Apr-2011 16:37:50] <rmatte> then: if evt.prodState == 501: [28-Apr-2011 16:38:09] <d-rock> OK, right [28-Apr-2011 16:38:15] <d-rock> evt._action = 'drop', right? [28-Apr-2011 16:38:22] <rmatte> and to alert when a device comes  up, you'd have to use the clear events to trigger that [28-Apr-2011 16:38:31] <rmatte> but I'm not sure how well that'll  work if you're suppressing the down events [28-Apr-2011 16:38:40] <rmatte> I've never tried anything like  that [28-Apr-2011 16:38:56] <d-rock> Well [28-Apr-2011 16:39:14] <rmatte> Why wouldn't you just put it in a  pre-prod, configure your alerting rules not to alert on anything other  than production... [28-Apr-2011 16:39:28] <d-rock> It wouldn't be as simple as  evt.severity = 5 ? [28-Apr-2011 16:39:28] <joko_> nice convo [28-Apr-2011 16:39:39] <joko_> i need to start making my server  build guys do t hat [28-Apr-2011 16:39:40] <rmatte> and have a transform that changes  the summary from ip blah is down to "Pre-Prod: ip blah is down" [28-Apr-2011 16:39:44] <d-rock> When they explained what they  wanted to do I had to have them explain it twice [28-Apr-2011 16:39:48] <rmatte> and when the message dissapears,  you know the device is up [28-Apr-2011 16:40:19] <d-rock> The other feature they're asking  for is even more fun [28-Apr-2011 16:40:33] <d-rock> They want to get alerts when  autodiscovery finds IPs not already in ZenOSS [28-Apr-2011 16:40:40] <rmatte> you can do evt.severity = 5 for  sure... but you only want that to apply to specific situations [28-Apr-2011 16:40:51] <rmatte> you wouldn't want that for  production events [28-Apr-2011 16:40:56] <d-rock> No [28-Apr-2011 16:41:03] <d-rock> This would all be under the same  filter [28-Apr-2011 16:41:08] * rmatte nods [28-Apr-2011 16:43:18] <d-rock> So, something like  https://gist.github.com/947293 [28-Apr-2011 16:43:35] <d-rock> With a similar transform for  /Status/SNMP [28-Apr-2011 16:47:40] <d-rock> Cool, I'm going to test some of  this out. Thanks so much for the guidance! [28-Apr-2011 16:48:36] * joko_ yawns [28-Apr-2011 16:52:49] <d-rock> Hmmm [28-Apr-2011 16:54:04] <d-rock> N/M, helps if I can type [28-Apr-2011 17:15:06] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away [28-Apr-2011 17:15:43] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk [28-Apr-2011 17:30:19] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away [28-Apr-2011 18:43:54] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk [28-Apr-2011 20:11:18] <moath> hey all, i've removed a device from  a class with a particular monitoring template, but it appears that the  template is still being run against the host.  ideas? [28-Apr-2011 21:11:22] <gswallow> Howdy y'all.  I have an SNMP v3  question for you, if you can oblige. [28-Apr-2011 21:11:37] <gswallow> Using snmpv3 [28-Apr-2011 21:11:51] <gswallow> fresh install of zenoss 3.1 [28-Apr-2011 21:16:53] <gswallow> encryption = AES.   authentication = SHA hashed.  Anyone? [29-Apr-2011 00:00:01] [disconnected at Fri Apr 29 00:00:01 2011] [29-Apr-2011 00:00:01] [connected at Fri Apr 29 00:00:01 2011] [29-Apr-2011 00:00:20] [zenoss-logger (logger bot) has joined #zenoss] [29-Apr-2011 05:39:11] <_tete_> hi all [29-Apr-2011 05:39:36] <_tete_> Sorry for the assault.... [29-Apr-2011 05:39:42] <Simon4> morning [29-Apr-2011 05:40:02] <_tete_> I have a question.... novice in  zenoss, just installed [29-Apr-2011 05:40:58] <_tete_> I have a 48TB Datastore and the  disk perf threshold by default is configured to shot on more than 90% of  use [29-Apr-2011 05:41:21] <_tete_> in this case, 4,8TB [29-Apr-2011 05:41:59] <_tete_> I want to change the disk perf  threshold... I have been seen the Event Classes [29-Apr-2011 05:42:16] <_tete_> Perf Filesystem [29-Apr-2011 05:42:32] <_tete_> Trasnform [29-Apr-2011 05:42:59] <_tete_> but can't find the 90% threshold  alarm in the code [29-Apr-2011 05:43:17] <Simon4> _tete_: the threshold is set in  the "Filesystem" monitoring template [29-Apr-2011 05:43:18] <_tete_> Where can I change this parameter? [29-Apr-2011 05:43:42] <Simon4> you can either change it globally,  or override the template for that device and then change it [29-Apr-2011 05:44:02] <Simon4> have a read in the admin guide  about performance templates, they're fairly key to how Zenoss works so  it's worth understanding it fully [29-Apr-2011 05:44:53] <_tete_> ok, I am going to read that...  thanks [29-Apr-2011 09:11:50] <JohnnyNoc> i should re-read that damn  admin guide [29-Apr-2011 09:49:09] <rmatte> lol [29-Apr-2011 09:58:55] <rmatte> Zenoss Enterprise demo this  afternoon [29-Apr-2011 09:58:57] <rmatte> woot [29-Apr-2011 10:02:27] <dec3pti0n> ok this is strange .. I have  setup the apachemonitor on this zenoss 3.0.3 install just like the other  but the graphs still show nothing after 24hours [29-Apr-2011 10:02:55] <Simon4> dec3pti0n: anything in  zencommand.log saying it's failing to get the data? [29-Apr-2011 10:03:08] <Simon4> do you have an acl on  /server-status restricting it to just the one zenoss host? [29-Apr-2011 10:03:25] <dec3pti0n> I tried to remodel the device  but still nothing ... from the zenoss box I can access the server-status  page using w3m and also using the ./check_apache.py script within the  zenpack libexec folder [29-Apr-2011 10:03:38] <dec3pti0n> Simon4: I'll check that log [29-Apr-2011 10:03:56] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: "zencommand run -v10 -d  devicename" is your friend [29-Apr-2011 10:04:06] <Rickson-> i have added a linux host with  snmp, the zenoss server states that the snmp is up, but it cant find any  data in it "hardware manufacturer" what could be the problem? [29-Apr-2011 10:04:24] <rmatte> Rickson-: are you using the  default net-snmp configuration, because that won't work [29-Apr-2011 10:04:28] <rmatte> ? [29-Apr-2011 10:04:47] <rmatte> Rickson-: the default SNMP config  has paranoid security settings [29-Apr-2011 10:04:50] <fragfutter> Rickson-: a public snmp  community with limited access. [29-Apr-2011 10:05:43] <rmatte> Rickson-:  http://fpaste.org/b2os/raw/ [29-Apr-2011 10:05:50] <rmatte> there's a config that'll work [29-Apr-2011 10:05:59] <rmatte> just go through it and modify  whatever you need to [29-Apr-2011 10:08:45] <Rickson-> thx, will look into it [29-Apr-2011 10:11:21] <dec3pti0n> rmatte: thanks , indeed I see  the mysql check strips running and also the ntp scripts from other  zenpack templates that I have bound to this particular device but not  the apache one [29-Apr-2011 10:12:13] <dec3pti0n> I've already tried to push the  device changes too and remodel it but nothing [29-Apr-2011 10:12:29] <dec3pti0n> I guess I could remove the  template and add it again! [29-Apr-2011 10:14:06] <joko_> zenpacks are the route of all evil,  and also good [29-Apr-2011 10:14:16] <joko_> sad sad sad [29-Apr-2011 10:29:12] <rmatte> eugh, this blows [29-Apr-2011 10:29:29] <rmatte> the SE that was supposed to do the  demo's flight was delayed, so he'll be in the air when he was supposed  to be giving us the demo [29-Apr-2011 10:29:30] <rmatte> lol [29-Apr-2011 10:29:36] <rmatte> have to rechedule [29-Apr-2011 10:29:38] <rmatte> reschedule* [29-Apr-2011 10:29:56] <Sam-I-Am> haha [29-Apr-2011 10:30:07] <fragfutter> but you can have wifi on the  plane... [29-Apr-2011 10:30:15] <rmatte> True [29-Apr-2011 10:30:28] <rmatte> either way, they requested that we  reschedule, so we'll have to [29-Apr-2011 10:30:46] <rmatte> Annoying for me since we're  holding off on renewing a Solarwinds license until we see the demo [29-Apr-2011 10:30:52] <rmatte> so I want the demo to happen asap [29-Apr-2011 10:31:53] <davetoo> I wonder what the storm picture  looks like for today.  I think I've driven through that town in N.C.  where the Lowe's was obliterated. [29-Apr-2011 10:32:36] <rmatte> the storm systems have been crazy  lately... even way up here in Ottawa, yesterday we had winds that were  so strong they took down trees, telephone poles, etc... [29-Apr-2011 10:32:44] <rmatte> there are tons of houses missing  shingles [29-Apr-2011 10:33:00] <rmatte> a bunch of metal shingles came off  a building across the street and nailed a bunch of cars that were  parked there [29-Apr-2011 10:33:05] <rmatte> lol [29-Apr-2011 10:33:44] <Sam-I-Am> and here in kansas i get no  storms [29-Apr-2011 10:33:46] <Sam-I-Am> wtf? [29-Apr-2011 10:33:55] <Sam-I-Am> i should be chasing all sorts of  tornadoes and stuff now [29-Apr-2011 10:34:06] <rmatte> lol [29-Apr-2011 10:34:37] <Sam-I-Am> for the last 2-3 years its more  or less been shunted southeast really late in the season... historically  the southeast's time for tornadoes is feb-mar [29-Apr-2011 10:35:04] <Sam-I-Am> springs have been unusually cool  and dry in kansas and most of the more common places for tornadoes [29-Apr-2011 10:35:22] <rmatte> A bunch of these things got blown  over the barrier in to the middle of the highway yesterday too:  http://www.solarsignals.com/uploads/images/message_sign/KKMB3L-240.jpg [29-Apr-2011 10:35:31] <rmatte> and they were huge ones, probably  weighed a ton [29-Apr-2011 10:35:54] <Sam-I-Am> damn [29-Apr-2011 10:36:02] <rmatte> lots of surface area for the wind  to catch though hehe [29-Apr-2011 10:36:13] <Sam-I-Am> yep [29-Apr-2011 10:36:18] <Sam-I-Am> kinda like an airplane in  wind... it sucks [29-Apr-2011 10:36:22] <rmatte> yeh [29-Apr-2011 10:36:35] <rmatte> aha, awesome, they can reschedule  the demo for 3:30 this afternoon [29-Apr-2011 10:36:48] <Sam-I-Am> going storm chasing in a little  over a week...  hope the situation improves this way.  chasing in the  southeast is terrible, and its going to cost a lot in gas to get my  chase crew out that way [29-Apr-2011 10:37:59] <Sam-I-Am> did KC to tennessee to  huntsvilla ala last year in 2 days... then all the way back to KS.  saw  nothing worthwhile but some insane flooding in nashville. [29-Apr-2011 10:38:01] <davetoo> That guy Reed Timmer is  apparently doing live video streaming now [29-Apr-2011 10:38:20] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, quite a few people live  stream now [29-Apr-2011 10:38:23] <_tete_> rmatte: Is this a public zenoss  demo? [29-Apr-2011 10:38:29] <davetoo> (not this instant, but a youtube  video from him implied the same.) [29-Apr-2011 10:38:33] <davetoo> _tete_: no [29-Apr-2011 10:38:35] <Sam-I-Am> been popular for a season or two  once cell coverage improved [29-Apr-2011 10:38:45] <Sam-I-Am> in fact, its amazing how much  rural cell coverage has improved [29-Apr-2011 10:38:45] <davetoo> _tete_: he was getting an on-site  Enterprise demo [29-Apr-2011 10:38:58] <_tete_> ok, sorry [29-Apr-2011 10:38:59] <_tete_> [29-Apr-2011 10:39:03] <Sam-I-Am> i remember back in the day  having to pull over at truck stops and plug a modem into a payphone,  then pay huge long-distance fees. [29-Apr-2011 10:39:13] <rmatte> Robin Williams: "It used to be  that everyone would run down in to the basement, now two fuckers are  like 'Get the video camera and get outside!  Film it Bobby!'  'It just  blew my pants off, fuckin' eh!'" [29-Apr-2011 10:39:15] <Sam-I-Am> then we had an analog cellular  modem... also expensive and spotty coverage [29-Apr-2011 10:39:22] <davetoo> hah [29-Apr-2011 10:39:33] <Sam-I-Am> these days we almost dont need  our satellite weather anymore [29-Apr-2011 10:40:05] <rmatte> davetoo: it's not really on-site  just remote [29-Apr-2011 10:40:23] <rmatte> davetoo: the SE is flying back to  Zenoss from a customer site [29-Apr-2011 10:40:31] <davetoo> When I was at Enterprise training  a couple of years ago, one of the other studends had some professional  weather app that showed 3d volumetric storm animations [29-Apr-2011 10:40:37] <rmatte> davetoo: so we have to wait for  him to get back lol [29-Apr-2011 10:40:42] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: you'd think you would be  good enough to give a demo of zenoss [29-Apr-2011 10:40:58] <Sam-I-Am> davetoo: yeah, grlevel2 analyst  edition [29-Apr-2011 10:41:05] <Sam-I-Am> its awesome [29-Apr-2011 10:41:08] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: If they'd pass me the  Enterprise Software and the Datacenter Insight software, then yes [29-Apr-2011 10:41:21] <davetoo> 's about $600 bux or something?   That or the feed costs a bunch? [29-Apr-2011 10:41:22] <rmatte> davetoo: I'm not even sure which,  but chances are I know them lol [29-Apr-2011 10:41:27] <Sam-I-Am> a bit too data heavy for mobile  use just yet... grlevel3 is much less intensive [29-Apr-2011 10:42:11] <Sam-I-Am> the software is $300 i think...  plus the monthly fee for "easy" data access.  you can get the data free  from the national weather service, but its difficult to weed through. [29-Apr-2011 10:42:26] <davetoo> There's never enough interesting  weather where I live [29-Apr-2011 10:42:39] <Sam-I-Am> thats part of the reason i'd  find it tough to live in CA [29-Apr-2011 10:42:54] <Sam-I-Am> i get SDS too easily [29-Apr-2011 10:43:01] * fragfutter is interrested in having no rain for  the next 45minutes [29-Apr-2011 10:43:20] <davetoo> riding to work? [29-Apr-2011 10:43:32] <fragfutter> davetoo: from. but yes. [29-Apr-2011 10:43:40] <davetoo> pedals or moto? [29-Apr-2011 10:43:56] <fragfutter> bike. it's not that far. [29-Apr-2011 10:44:28] <Sam-I-Am> i love cycling, which requires  nice weather, so that'd be a plus for CA [29-Apr-2011 10:45:19] <fragfutter> in CA (thats california?) i  always walked to the office. i think i never had rain in the six months  there. [29-Apr-2011 10:45:56] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, cali [29-Apr-2011 10:45:57] <Sam-I-Am> not canada [29-Apr-2011 10:46:06] <rmatte> hehe [29-Apr-2011 10:46:31] <davetoo> ca.us. vs .ca. [29-Apr-2011 10:46:41] <davetoo> Don't forget the root [29-Apr-2011 10:46:42] <Sam-I-Am> i kinda liked colorado's  weather... summer and fall was awesome, winter kinda meh, spring  questionable... but if i wanted thunderstorms, it wasnt a long drive [29-Apr-2011 10:47:00] <fragfutter> i couldn't name all us states,  so better ask. [29-Apr-2011 10:47:05] <rmatte> our weather is nice enough for  cycling today, though it's a bit chilly [29-Apr-2011 10:48:07] <rmatte> ubuntu 11.04, here I come [29-Apr-2011 10:48:18] <Sam-I-Am> mehubuntu [29-Apr-2011 10:48:35] <rmatte> It makes a nice hassle free linux  desktop system [29-Apr-2011 10:48:52] <rmatte> I used to use gentoo, but I got  tired of taking 2 weeks to set it up [29-Apr-2011 10:48:55] <Sam-I-Am> yeah i guess... i got involved  in the server edition development a few years ago and i watched it turn  into a disaster [29-Apr-2011 10:49:01] <Sam-I-Am> as a desktop its probably not  bad [29-Apr-2011 10:49:08] <Sam-I-Am> i more or less use osx for  desktop now [29-Apr-2011 10:49:25] <rmatte> We use server edition here... it's  really not THAT bad, the one thing that drives me nuts is all of the  scripts executed on login [29-Apr-2011 10:49:29] <rmatte> makes it so slow to login [29-Apr-2011 10:49:35] <rmatte> other than that, I don't really  have any complaints [29-Apr-2011 10:49:58] <rmatte> I just disable most of those  scripts anyways [29-Apr-2011 10:50:47] <rmatte> I can't justify actually buying a  Mac [29-Apr-2011 10:50:54] <rmatte> the hardware is overpriced for  what it is [29-Apr-2011 10:51:06] <rmatte> I can build a PC that's twice as  powerful for the same price [29-Apr-2011 10:51:40] <rmatte> not to mention that Macs are  basically just PCs these days anyways [29-Apr-2011 10:51:43] <Sam-I-Am> it saves me time (which is  money) not having to dick with stuff [29-Apr-2011 10:51:46] <Sam-I-Am> but thats just me [29-Apr-2011 10:51:53] <Sam-I-Am> plus, apple stuff is slick  looking [29-Apr-2011 10:51:57] * Sam-I-Am installs black turtleneck [29-Apr-2011 10:52:07] <davetoo> heh [29-Apr-2011 10:52:07] <rmatte> Well, I don't really do any  dicking with stuff [29-Apr-2011 10:52:07] * fragfutter hands over cancer [29-Apr-2011 10:52:17] <davetoo> yeah I've never worn a black  turtleneck [29-Apr-2011 10:52:20] <rmatte> It takes me less than an hour to  build an entire PC [29-Apr-2011 10:52:30] <rmatte> and setting up Ubuntu takes like  15 minutes [29-Apr-2011 10:53:02] <rmatte> some people just aren't hardware  people though [29-Apr-2011 10:53:15] <rmatte> so I guess a Mac would appeal to  those people [29-Apr-2011 10:53:31] <Sam-I-Am> the thing that turned me off to  ubuntu, at least the server edition, was a nasty bug i found in 9.10  regarding secure ldap authentication... which basically broke the  ability to use ldap.  no one has bothered fixing it to this date.  a  buddy of mine even found the underlying problem and provided patches,  but no one paid attention. [29-Apr-2011 10:53:42] <Sam-I-Am> at that point, since i was  working on the ldap side of ubuntu server, i said so long. [29-Apr-2011 10:54:07] <rmatte> I've been using LDAP with my  Ubuntu 10.04 boxes for quite a while [29-Apr-2011 10:54:07] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away [29-Apr-2011 10:54:10] <rmatte> and it works fine [29-Apr-2011 10:54:48] <Sam-I-Am> the bug doesnt affect 100% of  systems, but the issue came up very often [29-Apr-2011 10:54:59] <rmatte> It was a bit flaky where it would  sometimes not allow you to login... but recent updates fixed that [29-Apr-2011 10:55:26] <Sam-I-Am>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/423252 [29-Apr-2011 10:55:36] <Sam-I-Am> this one would more or less lock  you out of any root access [29-Apr-2011 10:55:43] <rmatte> I still have a lot of boxes  running 8.04, now that 10.04 is up to my standards I'm going to start  upgrading them [29-Apr-2011 10:55:50] <Sam-I-Am> i liked 8.04 [29-Apr-2011 10:56:00] <Sam-I-Am> wound up backporting a lot of  stuff though [29-Apr-2011 10:56:09] <rmatte> yeh [29-Apr-2011 10:56:22] <Sam-I-Am> particularly openldap since i  was working with those developers and the versions packaged with ubuntu  were old (and still way newer than centos/redhat) [29-Apr-2011 10:56:37] <rmatte> yeh, redhat is always on the  trailing edge [29-Apr-2011 10:56:53] <rmatte> which is why I'm not a big fan of  it [29-Apr-2011 10:56:57] <fragfutter> less blood on the trailing  edge [29-Apr-2011 10:57:06] <Sam-I-Am> depends what you're looking for [29-Apr-2011 10:57:07] <rmatte> true, but it also causes problems [29-Apr-2011 10:57:26] <rmatte> unless you're using an all red-hat  environment [29-Apr-2011 10:57:29] <rmatte> then everything is behind [29-Apr-2011 10:57:33] <rmatte> so it doesn't matter [29-Apr-2011 10:57:41] <rmatte> unless there's some fancy new  feature that you want to use [29-Apr-2011 10:57:51] <Sam-I-Am> in the case of ubuntu, if you  have an ldap problem, you talk to the openldap folks.  they're going to  make sure you run the latest version. [29-Apr-2011 10:58:05] <rmatte> I have a talent for managing  bleeding edge stuff since I've basically been doing that all my life lol [29-Apr-2011 10:58:06] <Sam-I-Am> with redhat you get support for  everything included, so they might fix bugs, but your feature set will  be ancient [29-Apr-2011 10:58:19] <rmatte> yeh [29-Apr-2011 10:58:44] <Sashness> Redhat prioritizes the bugs too  so if its not important to them, they won't fix it [29-Apr-2011 10:59:02] <Sashness> we had a bug that caused  problems with certain chip sets and they didn't fix it for more than 18  months [29-Apr-2011 10:59:16] <rmatte> nice [29-Apr-2011 10:59:27] <rmatte> that's dedication lol [29-Apr-2011 10:59:29] <Sashness> lol [29-Apr-2011 10:59:35] <rmatte> </sarcasm> [29-Apr-2011 11:00:27] <Sashness> we're a CentOS shop now just  because of that. We still wouldn't get the bug fixed but at least we're  not paying tons on support/licensing [29-Apr-2011 11:00:29] <fragfutter> you can also buy HP systems  that (up to a month ago) delivered with debian 4. now they are updated  and are delivered with... debian 5. [29-Apr-2011 11:00:57] <rmatte> I would never use the OS that  machines are delivered with anyways [29-Apr-2011 11:01:12] <rmatte> even if I was planning to use the  same OS, I'd do a fresh install myself [29-Apr-2011 11:01:18] <rmatte> who knows what kind of crap they  stuck in the image [29-Apr-2011 11:01:20] <fragfutter> rmatte: embedded systems. you  are not supposed to touch them. [29-Apr-2011 11:01:33] <rmatte> oh, you're basically talking about  appliances? [29-Apr-2011 11:01:46] <fragfutter> rmatte: thinclients. [29-Apr-2011 11:01:50] <rmatte> ah [29-Apr-2011 11:01:52] <rmatte> gotcha [29-Apr-2011 11:02:08] <rmatte> I'm not a fan of the whole thin  client thing myself [29-Apr-2011 11:02:27] <rmatte> since I've seen a thin client  project fail more miserably than imaginable [29-Apr-2011 11:02:29] <davetoo> Timesharing terminals FTW [29-Apr-2011 11:02:49] <rmatte> Then again it was using Citrix,  which is a POS [29-Apr-2011 11:03:07] <davetoo> I remember those Citrix hardware  thin clients [29-Apr-2011 11:03:08] <rmatte> The building where this occured  has banned the use of the word Citrix [29-Apr-2011 11:03:22] <rmatte> nah, they weren't even using the  hardware thin clients [29-Apr-2011 11:03:34] <rmatte> they were using this thin client  citrix app, that was installed on each workstation [29-Apr-2011 11:03:35] <fragfutter> i managed a citrix cluster  once. not that bad. [29-Apr-2011 11:03:43] <rmatte> and it would deliver all of their  applications seemlessly [29-Apr-2011 11:03:48] <davetoo> well we were messing with some at  an ISP I worked at.  I think Citrix might have been based in Santa  Barbara then [29-Apr-2011 11:03:54] <rmatte> so it was a bit different than  your usual citrix environment [29-Apr-2011 11:04:01] <rmatte> and quite the disaster [29-Apr-2011 11:04:45] <davetoo> DataVideo were trying to get into  that market a few years ago. I imagine they are dead now. [29-Apr-2011 11:04:58] <rmatte> They actually paid Citrix  engineers thousands of dollars a day to come and check out the problems.  I showed a bunch of bugs to one of them and their response was "Well,  I've never seen that before." [29-Apr-2011 11:05:01] <rmatte> [29-Apr-2011 11:05:28] <rmatte> davetoo: probably on account that  I've never heard of them [29-Apr-2011 11:05:37] <davetoo> sorry, TeleVideo [29-Apr-2011 11:05:44] <rmatte> either way [29-Apr-2011 11:05:45] <rmatte> lol [29-Apr-2011 11:06:05] <davetoo> They were one of the top early  video TTY vendors [29-Apr-2011 11:06:16] <rmatte> ah [29-Apr-2011 11:06:23] <rmatte> probably before my time in the  industry [29-Apr-2011 11:06:28] <davetoo> http://www.televideo.com/ [29-Apr-2011 11:06:32] <davetoo> Probably. [29-Apr-2011 11:06:35] <davetoo> Late 70's even [29-Apr-2011 11:06:49] <rmatte> I've been using unix for 11 years,  but I've only been actually working in IT for 6, and only been a  sysadmin for 2 [29-Apr-2011 11:08:41] <rmatte> Year 1: Enterprise Helpdesk...  Year 2: Network Analyst... Year 3: LAN Administrator... Year 4: Network  Analyst... Year 4.5: Senior Network Analyst... Year 5: Systems  Administrator... Year 6: Senior Systems Administrator [29-Apr-2011 11:08:45] <rmatte> lots of fun [29-Apr-2011 11:09:17] <davetoo> If I ever have to deal with an  unwashed ISP end-user again, I'll probably kill myself :) [29-Apr-2011 11:09:30] <rmatte> I thankfully never had to do that [29-Apr-2011 11:09:57] <rmatte> I never did residential anything [29-Apr-2011 11:10:09] <davetoo> I did for a year or so when I  first got into the ISP world. [29-Apr-2011 11:10:47] <rmatte> That sucks [29-Apr-2011 11:10:49] <davetoo> Anywhere from Space Cadets to  grumpy old retired WW-II vets [29-Apr-2011 11:10:51] <rmatte> I lucked out [29-Apr-2011 11:10:57] <rmatte> hehe [29-Apr-2011 11:11:02] <davetoo> on 9600-baud modems [29-Apr-2011 11:11:10] <rmatte> I remember those [29-Apr-2011 11:11:19] <rmatte> used to hit up BBS sites when I  was 12 [29-Apr-2011 11:11:19] <davetoo> USR! [29-Apr-2011 11:11:20] <rmatte> lol [29-Apr-2011 11:11:22] <davetoo> ok, I'll bbl [29-Apr-2011 11:11:25] <rmatte> (I'm quite young) [29-Apr-2011 11:11:33] <rmatte> k [29-Apr-2011 11:11:35] <rmatte> later [29-Apr-2011 11:14:46] <rmatte> afk for a sec, rebooting [29-Apr-2011 11:25:50] <rmatte> back [29-Apr-2011 11:27:24] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk [29-Apr-2011 11:35:49] <joko_> bah dsadsadsadsa']dsa [29-Apr-2011 11:36:07] <joko_> no motivation to work today [29-Apr-2011 11:44:45] <rmatte> lol [29-Apr-2011 11:46:39] <Sam-I-Am> it happens [29-Apr-2011 11:46:44] <Sam-I-Am> usually between monday and  friday [29-Apr-2011 11:56:43] <JohnnyNoc> rmatte were you 31337 [29-Apr-2011 12:00:01] [disconnected at Fri Apr 29 12:00:01 2011] [29-Apr-2011 12:00:02] [connected at Fri Apr 29 12:00:02 2011] [29-Apr-2011 12:00:21] [zenoss-logger (logger bot) has joined #zenoss] [29-Apr-2011 12:00:53] <rmatte> I started using FreeBSD when I was  14 [29-Apr-2011 12:01:03] <Sam-I-Am> so...  2 years ago? lol [29-Apr-2011 12:01:07] <Sam-I-Am> durn youngins [29-Apr-2011 12:01:10] <Sam-I-Am> get offa my e-lawn [29-Apr-2011 12:01:13] <rmatte> lol [29-Apr-2011 12:01:25] <rmatte> I'll be 26th on May 14th [29-Apr-2011 12:01:28] <rmatte> 26* [29-Apr-2011 12:02:31] <Sam-I-Am> pffft [29-Apr-2011 12:03:46] <rmatte> The way I look at it, if my skills  are this good now, wait 10 years [29-Apr-2011 12:03:53] <rmatte> >:) [29-Apr-2011 12:04:09] <rmatte> Then I too will be able to take  down the playstation network [29-Apr-2011 12:04:09] <Sam-I-Am> by then your brain will be half  gone, so its not as good as you think [29-Apr-2011 12:04:24] <rmatte> lol [29-Apr-2011 12:05:35] <rmatte> I'm still amazed that EC2 went  down [29-Apr-2011 12:05:41] <rmatte> "The cloud can never go down" [29-Apr-2011 12:05:47] <rmatte> *ENHHHH* WRONG [29-Apr-2011 12:06:42] <flrichar> amazon was just partly uncloudy  in their forecast [29-Apr-2011 12:06:59] <rmatte> hehe [29-Apr-2011 12:08:40] <JohnnyNoc> rmatte i was speaking in  reference to the bbs days [29-Apr-2011 12:09:16] <JohnnyNoc> pc-board, ami/x [29-Apr-2011 12:09:21] <rmatte> JohnnyNoc: oh, hell I could barely  even use a computer back then... taught myself how to use  hyperterminal, picked up a local free magazine that had BBS listings in  the back of it, and off I went [29-Apr-2011 12:09:42] <JohnnyNoc> nice [29-Apr-2011 12:10:04] <JohnnyNoc> i remember my parents getting  $2000 phone bills because I was calling long distance BBS' [29-Apr-2011 12:10:07] <JohnnyNoc> that didn't go down very well [29-Apr-2011 12:10:11] <rmatte> haha [29-Apr-2011 12:10:18] <rmatte> luckily all of mine were local [29-Apr-2011 12:10:25] <JohnnyNoc> so that sent me down the road  of trying to figure out how to call ld for free [29-Apr-2011 12:10:32] <rmatte> hehe [29-Apr-2011 12:10:45] <JohnnyNoc> calling cards, 3rd party  billing, tone-loc to search for system 75s with default logins/passwords [29-Apr-2011 12:10:51] <JohnnyNoc> those were fun times! [29-Apr-2011 12:12:18] <rmatte> I miss the good old IRC days,  before torrents came along [29-Apr-2011 12:12:42] <JohnnyNoc> yea that was fun [29-Apr-2011 12:12:48] <JohnnyNoc> i started an mp3 group [29-Apr-2011 12:12:49] <JohnnyNoc> :] [29-Apr-2011 12:13:16] <rmatte> nice lol, a friend and I ran a  "warez" channel on dalnet that had over 1000 people in it at any given  point in time [29-Apr-2011 12:13:25] <JohnnyNoc> haha funny [29-Apr-2011 12:13:34] <rmatte> the things you do when you're  young [29-Apr-2011 12:13:39] <JohnnyNoc> yea [29-Apr-2011 12:13:40] <rmatte> and broke [29-Apr-2011 12:13:42] <rmatte> lol [29-Apr-2011 12:13:43] <JohnnyNoc> i burned down the baseball  dugouts at my hs [29-Apr-2011 12:13:48] <rmatte> haha [29-Apr-2011 12:13:57] <JohnnyNoc> hahaha..  true.  i started  literally stealing games from like Radio Shack [29-Apr-2011 12:14:04] <rmatte> haha [29-Apr-2011 12:14:08] <JohnnyNoc> my parents wouldn't give me $  for the DND games like Pools of Azure [29-Apr-2011 12:14:10] <rmatte> yeh, I never physically stole  anything [29-Apr-2011 12:14:30] <rmatte> lol nice [29-Apr-2011 12:14:35] <rmatte> I never did get in to DND [29-Apr-2011 12:14:39] <rmatte> one of my friends is huge in to  that [29-Apr-2011 12:14:42] <JohnnyNoc> then the Sierra games came out [29-Apr-2011 12:14:47] <JohnnyNoc> Kings Quest, Police Quest, etc. [29-Apr-2011 12:14:49] <JohnnyNoc> those were awesome [29-Apr-2011 12:14:53] <JohnnyNoc> but do you remember leisure  suit larry?! [29-Apr-2011 12:14:53] <rmatte> yeh, I remember the Sierra games,  amazing [29-Apr-2011 12:14:59] <rmatte> yeh, I used to play that [29-Apr-2011 12:15:02] <JohnnyNoc> haha! [29-Apr-2011 12:15:14] <rmatte> I still have it laying around on a  CD somewhere at home [29-Apr-2011 12:15:20] <rmatte> I think it's in a box in the  storage room [29-Apr-2011 12:15:27] <JohnnyNoc> my dad had it, probabyl some  friend gave it to him [29-Apr-2011 12:15:32] <rmatte> hehe [29-Apr-2011 12:15:37] <JohnnyNoc> i remember trying to play it,  but you had to answer like 5 questinos to prove you were old enough [29-Apr-2011 12:15:48] <rmatte> yeh [29-Apr-2011 12:15:51] <JohnnyNoc> like, who was the president in  1972 type shit [29-Apr-2011 12:15:51] <JohnnyNoc> haha [29-Apr-2011 12:15:57] <rmatte> I had a version where that was  omitted [29-Apr-2011 12:16:08] <rmatte> so you'd just go straight in to  the game [29-Apr-2011 12:16:25] <rmatte> Some cracking group had removed it [29-Apr-2011 12:16:38] <rmatte> It actually might have been  Razor1911 that did that [29-Apr-2011 12:17:12] <zenethian> This should bring back memories  then... [29-Apr-2011 12:17:13] <zenethian> !list [29-Apr-2011 12:17:21] <rmatte> yeh [29-Apr-2011 12:17:41] <zenethian> I was an oper on dalnet from  96-01 [29-Apr-2011 12:17:53] <rmatte> on the irc network that I run with  some friends, we have a bot in the main channel that kicks people when  they type that [29-Apr-2011 12:17:55] <rmatte> lol [29-Apr-2011 12:18:01] <zenethian> haha yeah [29-Apr-2011 12:18:27] <rmatte> cool, I would have liked to have  been an oper on a larger network, but I've only ever been on the network  I run, which is a tiny network [29-Apr-2011 12:18:41] <rmatte> I mean, we have the capacity to  support thousands of people, but our user base is less than 100 [29-Apr-2011 12:18:42] <rmatte> lol [29-Apr-2011 12:18:46] <zenethian> It was a pain in the ass [29-Apr-2011 12:18:49] <zenethian> heh [29-Apr-2011 12:19:11] <JohnnyNoc> woot [29-Apr-2011 12:19:16] <JohnnyNoc> razor [29-Apr-2011 12:19:22] <JohnnyNoc> i was an oper on efnet [29-Apr-2011 12:19:25] <rmatte> yeh, razor was the shiat [29-Apr-2011 12:19:27] <JohnnyNoc> irc.core.com [29-Apr-2011 12:19:31] <joko_> rofl @ !list [29-Apr-2011 12:19:43] <rmatte> for efnet I always used  irc.prison.net [29-Apr-2011 12:19:53] <rmatte> since a lot of the other servers  didn't like me much [29-Apr-2011 12:19:56] <rmatte> for whatever reason [29-Apr-2011 12:19:58] <zenethian> I never really did much on  efnet. [29-Apr-2011 12:20:13] <rmatte> I was also on relicnet for a while [29-Apr-2011 12:20:16] <joko_> hell im on efnet now [29-Apr-2011 12:20:17] <rmatte> and undernet [29-Apr-2011 12:20:25] <zenethian> all my friends were on dalnet  so I had little incentive to go to efnet or undernet or ircnet [29-Apr-2011 12:20:41] <rmatte> My IRC network is in the mIRC  server list lol [29-Apr-2011 12:20:43] <rmatte> RealIRC [29-Apr-2011 12:20:48] <zenethian> nice [29-Apr-2011 12:20:56] <rmatte> we had it added ages ago [29-Apr-2011 12:21:08] <zenethian> I started to help someone out  who wanted to run one [29-Apr-2011 12:21:16] <rmatte> that reminds me, I need to make a  new webpage for us badly [29-Apr-2011 12:21:19] <zenethian> but she didn't know a damn  thing about how to actually do it.  so I did all the work. [29-Apr-2011 12:21:26] <zenethian> me and one other guy [29-Apr-2011 12:21:37] <rmatte> ah [29-Apr-2011 12:21:45] <zenethian> and she wanted to do some crazy  stuff like auto-k:line for saying "damn" or anything worse [29-Apr-2011 12:21:57] <zenethian> Needless to say we didn't get  very far. [29-Apr-2011 12:22:08] <rmatte> I didn't know anything about it  when I first started at RealIRC (it was actually called darklair back  then)... [29-Apr-2011 12:22:21] <rmatte> the other RealIRC admins are  directly responsible for my early UNIX education [29-Apr-2011 12:22:26] <rmatte> lol [29-Apr-2011 12:22:27] <zenethian> nice [29-Apr-2011 12:22:36] <zenethian> Did you ever try to compile an  eggdrop bot? [29-Apr-2011 12:22:49] <rmatte> Yes, I'm very experienced with  eggdrops [29-Apr-2011 12:22:58] <rmatte> I have a few running on my server  as we speak [29-Apr-2011 12:23:20] <rmatte> We have a bunch of them in our  main network channel that talk to each other [29-Apr-2011 12:23:24] <rmatte> and interract with people [29-Apr-2011 12:23:38] <rmatte> They are also quite rude [29-Apr-2011 12:23:44] <rmatte> and strange [29-Apr-2011 12:24:04] <JohnnyNoc> but do they battle [29-Apr-2011 12:24:12] <rmatte> nah, not really [29-Apr-2011 12:24:31] <rmatte> we have a matrix routine which  will make one of them go postal, jumping off of walls and killing  everyone in the channel in various ways. [29-Apr-2011 12:24:48] <rmatte> it's always fun [29-Apr-2011 12:25:06] <moath> hey all, i've removed a device from  a class with a particular monitoring template, but it appears that the  template is still being run against the host.  anybody have any ideas? [29-Apr-2011 12:25:24] <rmatte> moath: perhaps you created a local  copy of the template? [29-Apr-2011 12:25:47] <moath> rmatte: i cheked that a few  different ways...doesn't seem to be the case [29-Apr-2011 12:25:55] <rmatte> or perhaps the template is at a  higher level and is bound against both classes? [29-Apr-2011 12:26:13] <moath> doesn't look like it [29-Apr-2011 12:26:18] <moath> it's only bound at lower levels [29-Apr-2011 12:26:31] <moath> none of the other hosts in the  class are getting it applied against them either [29-Apr-2011 12:26:39] <moath> (it's a JMX template and these  boxes don't run any java stuff) [29-Apr-2011 12:26:49] <rmatte> well it has to be getting it from  somewhere lol [29-Apr-2011 12:26:58] <rmatte> do you mean you're actually seeing  the graphs? [29-Apr-2011 12:27:08] <rmatte> or that it's just still doing the  collecting? [29-Apr-2011 12:27:37] <rmatte> If it's just doing the collection  but no graphs are visible, then push changes to the collector [29-Apr-2011 12:27:49] <rmatte> and perhaps restart the daemon in  question to get it to pull down the new configuration [29-Apr-2011 12:28:38] <moath> rmatte: i don't see any graphs, but  there are events showing up that say "i can't poll jmx blah blah blah" [29-Apr-2011 12:28:49] <moath> how do i manually push the changes  to the collector? [29-Apr-2011 12:29:29] <rmatte> moath: go to that device's page [29-Apr-2011 12:29:35] <rmatte> it's an option in the bottom left  hand menu [29-Apr-2011 12:29:38] <rmatte> "Push Changes" [29-Apr-2011 12:29:57] <moath> ahh [29-Apr-2011 12:29:58] <moath> thanks [29-Apr-2011 12:30:02] <moath> let's see if this does the trick [29-Apr-2011 12:30:13] <rmatte> If the graphs are still visible  that won't help [29-Apr-2011 12:30:21] <rmatte> graphs visible == template bound [29-Apr-2011 12:30:37] <moath> yea [29-Apr-2011 12:30:40] <moath> graphs were gone [29-Apr-2011 12:32:08] <rmatte> k [29-Apr-2011 12:32:11] <moath> here's another question: I've got  syslog events coming in with no component, so I can't write event class  rules against them [29-Apr-2011 12:32:22] * moath is confused [29-Apr-2011 12:32:24] <rmatte> yeh you can, there's just a trick  to it [29-Apr-2011 12:32:38] <rmatte> create a mapping in any class, set  the event key for the mapping to "defaultmapping" [29-Apr-2011 12:32:45] <rmatte> then configure the regex to match  the syslog [29-Apr-2011 12:32:47] <rmatte> and voila [29-Apr-2011 12:32:59] <moath> ahhh [29-Apr-2011 12:33:00] <moath> nice [29-Apr-2011 12:33:02] <moath> giving that a shot [29-Apr-2011 12:33:06] <rmatte> [29-Apr-2011 12:37:19] <moath> rmatte: that worked. Thanks so much  [29-Apr-2011 12:37:27] <rmatte> no problem [29-Apr-2011 12:37:33] <moath> i probably owe you a beer by now [29-Apr-2011 12:37:36] <rmatte> that one stumped me for the  longest time too years ago [29-Apr-2011 12:37:49] <rmatte> Chet Luther was the one who  explained that to me [29-Apr-2011 12:37:49] <rmatte> lol [29-Apr-2011 12:40:30] <JohnnyNoc> i'd get rmatte a beer too..  if  he weren't 16! [29-Apr-2011 12:40:32] <JohnnyNoc> [29-Apr-2011 12:43:16] <moath> hah [29-Apr-2011 12:46:30] <JohnnyNoc> maybe i'll give him a shell to  run an eggdrop [29-Apr-2011 12:46:43] <JohnnyNoc> rmatte are you a packet magnet? [29-Apr-2011 12:46:50] <JohnnyNoc> internet packeteer? [29-Apr-2011 12:48:07] <rmatte> no idea what that is [29-Apr-2011 12:49:01] <JohnnyNoc> purveyor of find DDoS [29-Apr-2011 12:49:02] <JohnnyNoc> er [29-Apr-2011 12:49:04] <JohnnyNoc> s/find/fine [29-Apr-2011 12:50:11] <rmatte> nah [29-Apr-2011 12:50:25] <rmatte> DDoS attacks are lame [29-Apr-2011 12:51:08] * joko_ twiddles thumbs [29-Apr-2011 12:51:13] <rmatte> and we don't get attacked [29-Apr-2011 12:51:22] * JohnnyNoc fires up LOIC [29-Apr-2011 12:51:22] <rmatte> nor do any of my personal servers [29-Apr-2011 12:51:41] <JohnnyNoc> would happen a lot on efnet [29-Apr-2011 12:51:52] <JohnnyNoc> partiuclarly being a hub, our  irc server was frequently attacked [29-Apr-2011 12:52:20] <rmatte> My favourite attack that I used to  use was the ath0 attack [29-Apr-2011 12:52:31] <rmatte> tricked people's modems in to  hanging up [29-Apr-2011 12:52:52] <rmatte> I also wrote something to patch  the vulnerability via a simple ICMP packet [29-Apr-2011 12:53:11] <JohnnyNoc> haha thats funny [29-Apr-2011 12:55:45] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away [29-Apr-2011 13:23:12] <citrusfizz> any quick fix for the  processor unknown ? Shows both cpus  but no speed/info [29-Apr-2011 13:23:23] <citrusfizz> oh this is on all my windows  box [29-Apr-2011 13:23:40] <rmatte> citrusfizz: I notice that it does  that with Intel processors more than it does it with AMD [29-Apr-2011 13:23:55] <rmatte> There's no real fix other than  updating the modeler plugin code to account for the new types [29-Apr-2011 13:24:35] <citrusfizz> kinda hard to monitor for high  cpu for a given amount of time then [29-Apr-2011 13:24:50] <rmatte> why is that? [29-Apr-2011 13:24:59] <rmatte> what do processor types have to do  with monitoring load? [29-Apr-2011 13:25:22] <citrusfizz> cuz the speed isn't being  reported i guess [29-Apr-2011 13:25:35] <rmatte> hunh? [29-Apr-2011 13:25:36] <joko_> hmm [29-Apr-2011 13:25:43] <rmatte> you should be monitoring a  percentage [29-Apr-2011 13:25:53] <rmatte> that info on the hardware tab is  purely for info purposes [29-Apr-2011 13:26:58] <citrusfizz> ok so how can i see in zenoss  what the current cpu percentage is [29-Apr-2011 13:28:42] <joko_> n m i n pd [29-Apr-2011 13:28:54] <joko_> hai! [29-Apr-2011 13:33:02] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk [29-Apr-2011 13:34:39] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away [29-Apr-2011 13:39:00] <rmatte> citrusfizz: it depends on what  kind of device you're trying to monitor [29-Apr-2011 13:39:24] <rmatte> citrusfizz: every device presents  it via different SNMP OIDs (or whatever other protocols) [29-Apr-2011 13:39:35] <rmatte> you need an appropriate monitoring  package for the device you're trying to monitor [29-Apr-2011 13:40:10] <rmatte> The graph for CPU usage is  generally on the Graphs section (or Perf tab if you're using the old UI) [29-Apr-2011 13:52:02] * joko_ needs something fun/interesting to do... [29-Apr-2011 13:52:08] <joko_> :\ [29-Apr-2011 13:52:33] <rmatte> ? [29-Apr-2011 13:52:43] <rmatte> go drink beer [29-Apr-2011 13:52:45] <rmatte> it's Friday [29-Apr-2011 13:53:00] <Sam-I-Am> mmm beer [29-Apr-2011 13:53:03] <joko_> work would not appreciate that im  sure [29-Apr-2011 13:53:04] <Sam-I-Am> on my list of things to do [29-Apr-2011 13:53:09] <Sam-I-Am> just not at work [29-Apr-2011 13:53:13] <rmatte> lol [29-Apr-2011 13:53:21] <Sam-I-Am> although it would make work  better [29-Apr-2011 13:53:23] <joko_> concert later tho, just waiting for  the time to tick away [29-Apr-2011 13:53:37] <rmatte> I'm tempted to run down the street  to the pub and have a beer or two before the Zenoss demo [29-Apr-2011 13:53:49] <joko_> that would be fun [29-Apr-2011 13:53:52] <Simon4> rmatte: do the demo in the pub,  get Zenoss to pay for beer [29-Apr-2011 13:53:56] <Sam-I-Am> just toss some vodka in a water  bottle [29-Apr-2011 13:53:56] <rmatte> I haven't had lunch yet [29-Apr-2011 13:53:59] <rmatte> so I can do it [29-Apr-2011 13:54:16] <rmatte> Simon4: I wish lol [29-Apr-2011 13:54:59] <rmatte> I'm just finishing setting  something up then I am going to go for a beer [29-Apr-2011 13:55:02] <rmatte> lol [29-Apr-2011 13:55:54] <Sam-I-Am> i went for a beer at lunch  once... one beer [29-Apr-2011 13:56:09] <Sam-I-Am> it was ok when the boss did it,  but i got reamed for it [29-Apr-2011 13:56:20] <rmatte> they don't care about that around  here [29-Apr-2011 13:56:24] <Sam-I-Am> kinda not so nice, imho [29-Apr-2011 13:56:31] <rmatte> we have a pretty relaxed work  environment [29-Apr-2011 13:56:52] <rmatte> plus I'm not going to get smashed  or anything lol [29-Apr-2011 13:57:02] <Sam-I-Am> this place was more relaxed when  i started... now its a political disaster with infighting and other  crap so i need to CYA and play by the books on everything [29-Apr-2011 13:57:07] <rmatte> they'd definitely care if I came  back plastered [29-Apr-2011 13:57:20] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: ah, that sucks [29-Apr-2011 13:57:27] <Sam-I-Am> i work 45-50 hours a week, and  was allowed to take "comp time" to visit a doctor etc... now i need to  use sick time. [29-Apr-2011 13:57:39] <rmatte> sounds like back when I was doing  contracting for the government [29-Apr-2011 13:57:40] <Sam-I-Am> its a small company so theres no  need for this [29-Apr-2011 13:57:43] <rmatte> everyone is at each other's  throats [29-Apr-2011 13:57:48] <rmatte> and back stabbing everyone [29-Apr-2011 13:57:51] <Sam-I-Am> yeah [29-Apr-2011 13:57:58] <Sam-I-Am> its rather unpleasant [29-Apr-2011 13:58:07] <rmatte> though we did still manage to  sneak out for our one hour beer lunches every Friday then sneak back [29-Apr-2011 13:58:11] <Sam-I-Am> heh [29-Apr-2011 13:58:17] <rmatte> we'd get complaints the odd time,  but whatever [29-Apr-2011 13:58:26] <Sam-I-Am> i dont ask questions anymore or  assume anything [29-Apr-2011 13:58:31] <rmatte> lol]= [29-Apr-2011 13:58:51] <Sam-I-Am> whats amusing is i dont take  lunch, but cant leave before 5 [29-Apr-2011 13:59:04] <Sam-I-Am> i used to do that now and  then... rarely, though... like on fridays [29-Apr-2011 13:59:10] <rmatte> sometimes I don't take lunch, but  I'm out the door half an hour early [29-Apr-2011 13:59:19] <rmatte> one nice thing about my position  is really flexible hours [29-Apr-2011 13:59:27] <Sam-I-Am> not sure exactly what happened  here. [29-Apr-2011 13:59:30] <rmatte> provided I don't have meetings, I  can roll in at like 11 or 11:30 and no one cares [29-Apr-2011 13:59:35] <rmatte> I just end up staying later [29-Apr-2011 13:59:37] <Sam-I-Am> i was told about flexible hours  too... but... they dont work in practice [29-Apr-2011 13:59:43] <rmatte> hehe [29-Apr-2011 14:00:00] <Sam-I-Am> 8-5 (or extended in either  direction) [29-Apr-2011 14:00:09] <rmatte> lame [29-Apr-2011 14:00:09] <Sam-I-Am> but it only applies to some  people [29-Apr-2011 14:00:23] <Sam-I-Am> yep [29-Apr-2011 14:00:42] <Sam-I-Am> kinda determined small companies  arent as much fun as people make them out to be [29-Apr-2011 14:00:55] <Sam-I-Am> unless you're in the 'clique' [29-Apr-2011 14:01:24] <rmatte> well, our company is fairly small  and it's pretty decent when it comes to environment [29-Apr-2011 14:01:28] <Simon4> woop, snooker back on [29-Apr-2011 14:01:30] <rmatte> we do have our odd squabbles [29-Apr-2011 14:01:32] <rmatte> but it's not bad [29-Apr-2011 14:01:59] <rmatte> snooker as in the game? [29-Apr-2011 14:02:02] * rmatte peers around [29-Apr-2011 14:02:06] <Simon4> rmatte: yeah [29-Apr-2011 14:02:09] <rmatte> ah [29-Apr-2011 14:02:13] <Simon4> wrong channel [29-Apr-2011 14:02:14] <rmatte> I'm a billiards nut myself [29-Apr-2011 14:02:26] <rmatte> I used to play in a league [29-Apr-2011 14:03:16] <Simon4> I played a lot of 9-ball in  university [29-Apr-2011 14:03:23] <Simon4> much fun [29-Apr-2011 14:09:16] <rmatte> yeh, 9-ball is fun, I haven't had a  chance to play it much lately [29-Apr-2011 14:09:19] <rmatte> mostly just play boston [29-Apr-2011 14:09:37] <Sam-I-Am> billiards is one of the few  things i get infinitely better at the more i drink [29-Apr-2011 14:09:47] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: yeh, I'm the same [29-Apr-2011 14:09:54] <rmatte> one of my friends is the opposite [29-Apr-2011 14:10:07] <rmatte> So when we play, he beats be  earlier on [29-Apr-2011 14:10:14] <rmatte> then as the night goes on, my game  improves, his gets worse [29-Apr-2011 14:10:15] <rmatte> lol [29-Apr-2011 14:10:23] <rmatte> be == me [29-Apr-2011 14:10:33] <Sam-I-Am> bowling sorta is the same [29-Apr-2011 14:10:38] <rmatte> though we're both pretty good when  we're sober [29-Apr-2011 14:10:46] <rmatte> I suck at bowling when I'm  drinking [29-Apr-2011 14:10:50] <rmatte> lol [29-Apr-2011 14:11:01] <Sam-I-Am> i think i just suck at bowling,  only i think i'm doing better or care less after a few [29-Apr-2011 14:11:18] <rmatte> We do 5 pin bowling up here too,  which is a pain compared to 10 pin [29-Apr-2011 14:11:24] <Sam-I-Am> whuuuuuat? [29-Apr-2011 14:11:35] <Sam-I-Am> you also have bocce ball... or  is that mostly quebec? [29-Apr-2011 14:11:51] <rmatte> I'd imagine quebec, I've never  seen nor played bocce ball [29-Apr-2011 14:11:53] <rmatte> just heard of it [29-Apr-2011 14:12:10] <rmatte> Is that where you try to hit  another ball with your ball in a field or something? [29-Apr-2011 14:12:10] <Sam-I-Am> or you can do the american  version - horseshoe [29-Apr-2011 14:12:24] <rmatte> yeh, I've played horseshoes [29-Apr-2011 14:12:52] <rmatte> The big difference in 5 pin  bowling is that it's a smaller ball with no holes in it [29-Apr-2011 14:12:57] <Sam-I-Am> weird [29-Apr-2011 14:12:57] <rmatte> so you bowl off the palm of your  hand [29-Apr-2011 14:13:06] <Sam-I-Am> good chance i'd suck at that [29-Apr-2011 14:13:09] <rmatte> it's a lot harder to be accurate  compared to 10 pin [29-Apr-2011 14:13:33] <rmatte> though the last time I played 10  pin by the end of the night it felt like my fingers were going to come  out of their sockets [29-Apr-2011 14:13:38] <rmatte> so it's a trade-off I suppose [29-Apr-2011 14:13:53] <Sam-I-Am> those holes can suck [29-Apr-2011 14:14:52] <rmatte> yeh [29-Apr-2011 14:18:00] <rmatte> anyways, I'm out for a few, bbl [29-Apr-2011 14:20:44] <Sam-I-Am> heh [29-Apr-2011 14:20:48] <Sam-I-Am> beeeer [29-Apr-2011 14:22:13] <Simon4> wife just brought me a glass of  champagne [29-Apr-2011 14:22:19] <Simon4> (it's a holiday here today) [29-Apr-2011 14:22:48] <Simon4> royal weddings have to be good for  something [29-Apr-2011 14:28:25] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk [29-Apr-2011 14:54:39] <joko_> silly silly silly [29-Apr-2011 15:35:59] <joko_> hmm [29-Apr-2011 15:52:25] <rmatte> I'm on the zenoss demo right now,  they pulled up the list of their customers and one of them was one of  ours [29-Apr-2011 15:52:26] <rmatte> funny [29-Apr-2011 16:09:19] <Sam-I-Am> heh [29-Apr-2011 16:09:31] <Sam-I-Am> is it better after the beer? [29-Apr-2011 16:09:37] <rmatte> Not really [29-Apr-2011 16:09:38] <rmatte> lol [29-Apr-2011 16:09:44] <rmatte> I noticed that they got Blizzard  as a client now [29-Apr-2011 16:09:51] <rmatte> I knew they were in talks with  them, but that's cool [29-Apr-2011 16:11:57] <Sam-I-Am> yeah [29-Apr-2011 16:12:06] <Sam-I-Am> more people they have maybe the  less they can charge the rest of us [29-Apr-2011 16:12:22] <rmatte> one would hope [29-Apr-2011 16:13:26] <joko_> how much is it per device, $100? [29-Apr-2011 16:13:39] <rmatte> yeh, but we have more than 1000  devices so we can negotiate a discount [29-Apr-2011 16:13:51] <rmatte> Rackspace apparently pays like  $7/device since they have a TON [29-Apr-2011 16:14:04] <rmatte> all depends on volume [29-Apr-2011 16:14:05] <joko_> we probably could trim down to 200  devices, but would need the ability to have 250 i'd guess [29-Apr-2011 16:14:17] <rmatte> then you'd be looking at  $100/device [29-Apr-2011 16:14:42] <joko_> yea, no way we will pay for that  while im here... well maybe... spent a lot of money in IT recently [29-Apr-2011 16:14:52] <rmatte> lol [29-Apr-2011 16:15:02] <Sam-I-Am> didnt know rackspace used zenoss [29-Apr-2011 16:15:02] <rmatte> the big thing for me is actually  selling this to management after the demo' [29-Apr-2011 16:15:09] * Sam-I-Am needs to seek jobs at places using  zenoss [29-Apr-2011 16:15:11] <rmatte> rackspace is one of their biggest  customers [29-Apr-2011 16:15:11] <joko_> they've used 3-4 failed monitoring  systems before [29-Apr-2011 16:15:25] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: drug them [29-Apr-2011 16:15:35] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: it's on my list of  possibilities [29-Apr-2011 16:15:57] <joko_> i'd be curious as too 'how rockin'  the enterprise zenpacks are, if at all [29-Apr-2011 16:16:11] <Sam-I-Am> the few i use seem to work [29-Apr-2011 16:16:39] <joko_> MSSQL would be interesting [29-Apr-2011 16:16:42] <joko_> vmware [29-Apr-2011 16:17:09] <joko_> shrug [29-Apr-2011 16:17:49] <joko_> that datacenter view is also  interesting [29-Apr-2011 16:18:20] <Sam-I-Am> wish i did more systems stuff [29-Apr-2011 16:18:23] <Sam-I-Am> most of mine is network [29-Apr-2011 16:21:13] dflow- is now known as dflow [29-Apr-2011 16:21:15] * joko_ considers leaving work early... [29-Apr-2011 16:21:27] <joko_> 10 minutes early! [29-Apr-2011 16:27:15] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Coincidently I'm the  RackSpace Zenoss guy [29-Apr-2011 16:28:08] <Sam-I-Am> ah. cool. [29-Apr-2011 16:28:10] <Sam-I-Am> lurkers [29-Apr-2011 16:28:32] <Hackman238> And I can confirm that our  roll out of Zenoss is absolutely mamoth in dimensions- so we get serious  volume discount [29-Apr-2011 16:28:57] <Sam-I-Am> cool. [29-Apr-2011 16:29:04] <Sam-I-Am> only one guy for all that? [29-Apr-2011 16:29:36] <Hackman238> One of 4. [29-Apr-2011 16:29:58] <Sam-I-Am> wow, not a lot of people [29-Apr-2011 16:31:06] <Hackman238> We're all coders, two of us  with significant Zenoss development, design and administration  experience. [29-Apr-2011 16:31:33] <Sam-I-Am> i'm not much of a coder... then  again, zenoss wasn't (and isnt) my primary job... but it turns out i get  along well with it. [29-Apr-2011 16:31:47] <Hackman238> Glad to hear it. [29-Apr-2011 16:31:49] <Sam-I-Am> i'm more of a network nerd... so  getting zenoss to correctly understand my network gear was the big  thing [29-Apr-2011 16:31:55] <rmatte> Zenoss is a big part of my job,  but I do support other systems here [29-Apr-2011 16:32:11] <Sam-I-Am> now i have it talking to a  variety of gear [29-Apr-2011 16:33:12] <Hackman238> Cool. [29-Apr-2011 16:35:08] <Sam-I-Am> you guys do a lot on the network  side with zenoss? [29-Apr-2011 16:35:19] <Sam-I-Am> i find i dont get enough  experience with the systems stuff here... there isnt much. [29-Apr-2011 16:38:10] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: What do you mean? [29-Apr-2011 16:38:35] <Sam-I-Am> i work for a transit ISP [29-Apr-2011 16:38:40] <Sam-I-Am> we dont have a lot of server  stuff [29-Apr-2011 16:38:58] <Hackman238> Oh, gotcha. We do mostly  network and some servers. [29-Apr-2011 16:39:18] <Sam-I-Am> some internal servers, dns,  working on a small vm hosting environment [29-Apr-2011 16:39:35] <Sam-I-Am> mostly foundry and juniper  gear... some cisco. [29-Apr-2011 16:41:09] <Hackman238> Yeah, we're mostly a cisco  place. We're starting to monitor more and more VM, I imagine we'll build  out more since we're pushing cloud use. [29-Apr-2011 16:41:43] <Sam-I-Am> nexus? [29-Apr-2011 16:42:25] <Hackman238> It's hard though, we cant  monitor everything. We've tens of thousands of network devices alone. [29-Apr-2011 16:42:42] <Sam-I-Am> wow, thats... insane [29-Apr-2011 16:43:10] <Hackman238> No nexus, as far as I know. [29-Apr-2011 16:43:13] <Sam-I-Am> i know how zenoss can sprawl...  just monitoring inbound/outbound traffic on one interface is 2 RRD files [29-Apr-2011 16:43:22] <Sam-I-Am> disk i/o became the problem here [29-Apr-2011 16:43:32] <Sam-I-Am> monitoring traffic, errors, and  packets per second on each interface [29-Apr-2011 16:44:04] <Sam-I-Am> someday we'll get rrdcached [29-Apr-2011 16:46:17] <Hackman238> We avoid disk i/o issues by  using Fusion I/O storage in all our collectors [29-Apr-2011 16:46:40] <Sam-I-Am> heh... if i suggested that to  the sysadmin here he'd laugh for a long time [29-Apr-2011 16:46:54] <Sam-I-Am> the problem with being mostly a  network shop is the budget for systems stuff is miniscule [29-Apr-2011 16:47:02] <Sam-I-Am> even when it involves monitoring  the network stuff [29-Apr-2011 16:48:49] <Hackman238> You could do what I did for NY  state's OFT Zenoss- [29-Apr-2011 16:49:21] <Hackman238> Large GFS2 cluster to  distribute reads and writes across many, many RAID 10's [29-Apr-2011 16:49:46] <Sam-I-Am> wheeee [29-Apr-2011 16:50:07] <Hackman238> That way you can use  inexpensive hardware [29-Apr-2011 16:50:31] <Sam-I-Am> still requires purchasing  something [29-Apr-2011 16:50:44] <Sam-I-Am> management has to get over the  hurdle that this will not be free [29-Apr-2011 16:50:54] <Sam-I-Am> so in the end i had to scale  things back a bit, but we're moving along [29-Apr-2011 16:52:38] <Hackman238> You should ask the following  of management: Just how important is the monitoring data? If we miss a  hikkup will it cost us more money than if we just invested in proper  monitoring? [29-Apr-2011 16:53:23] <Sam-I-Am> i've done that... we specialize  in providing reliable service, so you can't skimp on the one system that  performs monitoring [29-Apr-2011 16:53:28] <Hackman238> A good example is OFT and  Rackspace. [29-Apr-2011 16:53:47] <Sam-I-Am> what i got was "well, its open  source... its free... it should work on any old hardware we throw at  it... and you're good enough to make it all work" [29-Apr-2011 16:53:53] <Hackman238> Rackspace invests in our  monitoring to ensure fanatical service and support. We often fix  problems before customers even know. [29-Apr-2011 16:54:16] <Sam-I-Am> thats the goal here [29-Apr-2011 16:54:28] <Hackman238> NYS OFT, on the other hand,  assumes that the viability of the entire states network is 'only so  important' in comparrison to say...union bennifits. [29-Apr-2011 16:55:32] <Hackman238> So here at RackSpace, our  Zenoss is engineered to be 'the best'. At OFT, well, I had to engineer  it to make use of the crap they had lying around because there wasn't  enough money in the multi-billion dollar NYS budget. [29-Apr-2011 16:55:44] <Sam-I-Am> lol [29-Apr-2011 16:56:03] <Sam-I-Am> my company provides service to  mostly state educational organizations, so... that might explain a bit. [29-Apr-2011 16:56:30] <Hackman238> What's the name of your  company again? [29-Apr-2011 16:56:40] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: collect IO/bw numbers  for the RRD reads/writes, then sell it to them like a bandwidth upgrade  there's only so much data you can jam onto a spindle in a short space  of time [29-Apr-2011 16:56:54] <Simon4> they should understand those  numbers since they invest in network hardware [29-Apr-2011 16:57:45] <Hackman238> Simon4: Good way to convey the  need to 'differtly' minded management. [29-Apr-2011 16:58:26] * Simon4 had to do that to justify the large  raid10 arrays for our collectors [29-Apr-2011 16:59:59] <Hackman238> Yep. [29-Apr-2011 17:01:07] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: kanren.net [29-Apr-2011 17:02:31] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: done and done :/ [29-Apr-2011 17:03:41] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Its to bad they  won't listen. Sorry to hear the situation. [29-Apr-2011 17:04:02] <Hackman238> Gotta run. TTYL [29-Apr-2011 17:04:11] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: that really sucks [29-Apr-2011 17:04:18] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: seeya [29-Apr-2011 17:04:47] <Simon4> if you can get mysql onto another  machine (even a small one) you'll gain some more breathing room [29-Apr-2011 17:05:02] <Sam-I-Am> right now mysql lives on  different storage than the RRDs [29-Apr-2011 17:05:07] <Sam-I-Am> i got that much [29-Apr-2011 17:05:10] <Simon4> cool [29-Apr-2011 17:07:42] <Sam-I-Am> one of these days it might be  nice to get involved with a bigger zenoss operation [29-Apr-2011 17:07:50] <Sam-I-Am> moar hardware! [29-Apr-2011 17:08:34] <Simon4> it's fun [29-Apr-2011 17:09:19] * Simon4 is keen to do another decent sized  zenoss project, I'll need to move jobs to do it though [29-Apr-2011 17:11:04] <Sam-I-Am> same here [29-Apr-2011 17:12:37] <Sam-I-Am> one thing i will not do again is  be on-call [29-Apr-2011 17:12:48] <Sam-I-Am> i've spent the last 10 years  on-call [29-Apr-2011 17:13:11] <Sam-I-Am> its not bad when its your own  stuff, but i rely so heavily on other telcos who can't make their shit  work [29-Apr-2011 17:14:40] <Simon4> yeah, I'm on-call atm, but haven't  been for years before now [29-Apr-2011 17:14:51] <Simon4> and it's only for our stuff, which  we get to make good, so callouts are very rare [29-Apr-2011 17:15:31] <Sam-I-Am> not being able to go anywhere or  do anything or sleep for a week at a time just isnt fun anymore [29-Apr-2011 17:16:00] <Sam-I-Am> its not as bad here as a  previous job (where you really did not sleep at all for a week), but  still irritating and not worth it.  dont get any extra money either. [29-Apr-2011 17:22:59] <moath> wtf...trying to add an event class  to a zenpack and no zenpacks show up in the list :/ [29-Apr-2011 17:23:12] <Sam-I-Am> did you create the zenpack  first? [29-Apr-2011 17:23:19] <moath> yea, it's an existing one [29-Apr-2011 17:23:24] <moath> i'm using it to schlep my rules  between zenoss servers [29-Apr-2011 17:23:35] <Sam-I-Am> it generally will not list  zenpacks which you did not create yourself [29-Apr-2011 17:23:37] <moath> rules/classes/etc. [29-Apr-2011 17:23:51] <moath> hmmm...it was created in house but  it wasn't created on this server [29-Apr-2011 17:23:59] <Sam-I-Am> might have a compatibility issue  of some kind [29-Apr-2011 17:24:02] <moath> i can add stuff to it from other  areas though [29-Apr-2011 17:24:07] <moath> same version of zenoss on all my  servers [29-Apr-2011 17:24:21] <Sam-I-Am> thats a bit odd [29-Apr-2011 17:24:40] <moath> well [29-Apr-2011 17:24:41] <moath> hmm [29-Apr-2011 17:25:06] <moath> i can add monitoring templates to  it because I'm able to type the name of the zenpack in manually through  it's dialog box [29-Apr-2011 17:25:13] <moath> the one for the event classses  don't give me that option [29-Apr-2011 17:28:14] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away [29-Apr-2011 17:30:23] <Simon4> moath: if it wasn't created on  that server it won't be in "development mode" which means you can't add  things to it [29-Apr-2011 17:30:37] <Sam-I-Am> ahh thats what i was trying to  remember [29-Apr-2011 17:31:26] <Simon4>  docs/DOC-10094 [29-Apr-2011 17:31:32] <Simon4> you can convert it however [29-Apr-2011 17:42:58] <moath> Simon4: badass, thanks [29-Apr-2011 17:43:06] <Simon4> sweet as [29-Apr-2011 17:49:49] <rmatte> well, the demo went well and  there's interest here now [29-Apr-2011 17:50:11] <rmatte> now it's just getting the quote  and going from there [29-Apr-2011 17:53:02] <Sam-I-Am> woohoo! [29-Apr-2011 17:53:04] <Sam-I-Am> and more beer [29-Apr-2011 17:58:48] <rmatte> hehe [29-Apr-2011 18:09:28] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk [29-Apr-2011 20:40:07] <Sam-I-Am> beer + bbq + porch [29-Apr-2011 23:20:42] <gswallow> Is there a way to pass POST data  using the HttpMonitor zenpack? [30-Apr-2011 00:00:01] [disconnected at Sat Apr 30 00:00:01 2011] [30-Apr-2011 00:00:02] [connected at Sat Apr 30 00:00:02 2011] [30-Apr-2011 00:00:20] [zenoss-logger (logger bot) has joined #zenoss] [30-Apr-2011 12:00:01] [disconnected at Sat Apr 30 12:00:01 2011] [30-Apr-2011 12:00:02] [connected at Sat Apr 30 12:00:02 2011] [30-Apr-2011 12:00:21] [zenoss-logger (logger bot) has joined #zenoss] [30-Apr-2011 15:05:42] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away [30-Apr-2011 15:10:23] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk [30-Apr-2011 19:48:25] <ryker22> hello.  I am setting up a new  zenoss install for approx 500 devices (mostly windows) and am curious as  to what you guys would recommend for /opt partition size? [30-Apr-2011 19:49:01] <ryker22> I have setup /opt as an ext2 FS  to keep performance up but not sure how big it shoold be [30-Apr-2011 20:16:45] <ryker22> Is anyone monitoring this chennel  right now? [30-Apr-2011 20:25:09] <ryker22> I do not want to ask anymore and  be repetative but will give it one more shot... [30-Apr-2011 20:25:19] <ryker22> I am setting up a new zenoss  install for approx 500 devices (mostly windows) and am curious as to  what you guys would recommend for /opt partition size? [30-Apr-2011 20:25:20] <ryker22> <ryker22> I have setup /opt  as an ext2 FS to keep performance [30-Apr-2011 20:56:00] <Sam-I-Am> you can calculate how much space  you might need... figure out how many RRD files would be needed per  device, multiply by # of devices [30-Apr-2011 20:56:09] <Sam-I-Am> rrd files stay the same size  after creation [30-Apr-2011 20:56:49] <Sam-I-Am> as long as you have suitable  i/o, filesystem type makes less of a difference.  also depends on how  important your data is if the filesystem fries. [30-Apr-2011 20:58:06] <sloof3> Why might my bps graph be missing  data points but my pps graph isn't? [30-Apr-2011 20:59:02] <Sam-I-Am> check the logs from zenperfsnmp [30-Apr-2011 21:00:38] <sloof3> Is that available through the GUI  or the server console? [30-Apr-2011 21:01:20] <sloof3> nevermind [30-Apr-2011 21:01:21] <Sam-I-Am> console ideallt [30-Apr-2011 21:01:24] <Sam-I-Am> ideally [30-Apr-2011 21:03:43] <sloof3> Looks like it.  The GUI only has a  limited hostpry [30-Apr-2011 21:09:10] <ryker22> Sam-I-Am, I am not sure how many  rrd graphs yet.  Just getting started.  I know Nagios and Cacti well but  this is my first go at Zenoss [30-Apr-2011 21:09:45] <ryker22> I read that a non journaled FS  was better for performance for /opt/zenoss/perf because of the high  number of writes... [30-Apr-2011 21:10:04] <ryker22> I am using Raid 10 across 6  spindles [30-Apr-2011 21:10:31] <ryker22> I setup the box with 100 GB for /  and 300 GB for /opt [30-Apr-2011 21:12:07] <ryker22> DOes that sound reasonable to you  for a 500 device monitor? [30-Apr-2011 21:12:27] <sloof3> Sam-I-Am: All I see for the host  in question is a number of "oid .1.3.6.1.2.1.2.X.X.X.X is bad" [30-Apr-2011 21:13:05] <Sam-I-Am> sloof3: if that oid has worked  before, might be a problem polling the device... or polling is taking  too long. [30-Apr-2011 21:14:03] <Carlton> I"ve done some research on  Zenoss, but haven't installed. What Linux distro would you suggest for a  linux newbie? [30-Apr-2011 21:15:13] <ryker22> RHEL if you can pay for it.  You  get support then and have someone to turn to for help. [30-Apr-2011 21:15:26] <Sam-I-Am> ryker22: depends on how many RRD  files each device creates.  hard to tell if you dont calculate it.  i'd  create one device... see what it uses, then make your new filesystem [30-Apr-2011 21:15:42] <Sam-I-Am> ryker22: the easiest route would  probably be centos or rhel [30-Apr-2011 21:15:43] <ryker22> CentOS if you want it free.  That  is just my opinion.  I am new to Zenoss but know linux well [30-Apr-2011 21:16:01] <Sam-I-Am> debian works too with just a bit  more work [30-Apr-2011 21:16:24] <ryker22> Sam-I-AM... thanks!  I will do  just that and figure it out. [30-Apr-2011 21:17:49] <sloof3> Sam-I-Am: Must be intermittent  polling problem...weird [30-Apr-2011 21:23:06] <sloof3> Sam-I-Am: I take that back.  The  logs ware referring to an interface that wasn't the interface I see the  problem on [30-Apr-2011 21:24:22] <Carlton> Thanks, I've played with CentOS  before so I'll probably try that. Any good tutorials/videos on Zenoos  setup/config with CentOS?l [30-Apr-2011 21:26:25] <Sam-I-Am> the docs for zenoss more or less  work with rhel/centos [30-Apr-2011 21:26:30] <Sam-I-Am> at least the install procedure [30-Apr-2011 21:26:31] <Sam-I-Am> (rpm) [30-Apr-2011 21:27:06] <Carlton> .bin install for us newbies? [30-Apr-2011 21:31:02] <Sam-I-Am> rpm? [30-Apr-2011 21:31:39] <Carlton> doesn't the bin file include  MySQL and all other dependencies? [30-Apr-2011 21:31:56] <Sam-I-Am> oh, you mean the stack  installer? thats a good option as well [30-Apr-2011 21:34:39] <Carlton> thanks [30-Apr-2011 23:29:58] davetoo is now known as dcarmean [30-Apr-2011 23:30:49] dcarmean is now known as davetoo [30-Apr-2011 23:31:28] davetoo is now known as dcarmean [30-Apr-2011 23:31:49] dcarmean is now known as davetoo [01-May-2011 00:00:01] [disconnected at Sun May  1 00:00:01 2011]