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[01-Jul-2011 04:55:35] <hmp> zenbackup backups zope db, events db, $ZENHOME/etc and $ZENHOME/perf, right?
[01-Jul-2011 04:57:51] <fragfutter> hmp: depends on the switches. I'm not sure about etc, but by default zopedb, eventsdb and perf
[01-Jul-2011 04:59:05] <tsener> would be cool if it includes $ZENHOME/libexec
[01-Jul-2011 04:59:37] <tsener> as in case of epic fail and no other backup, all your custom check will vanish
[01-Jul-2011 05:02:18] <fragfutter> tsener: tsener i would only export the zopedb on a regular interval. If you care about your events, then also myslq. A normal filebased backup can then collect the zenoss folder (exclude the data.fs).
[01-Jul-2011 05:14:54] <tsener> guess you are right
[01-Jul-2011 05:22:15] <tsener> any idea how could I edit the OIDs that a modeler plugin polls ?
[01-Jul-2011 05:22:32] <fragfutter> tsener: write a new modeler.
[01-Jul-2011 05:22:47] <fragfutter> tsener: modelers normaly can't be configured
[01-Jul-2011 05:23:21] <fragfutter> tsener: you give them basic infos and the rest should be magic (detect what is on the machine and then start to poll it)
[01-Jul-2011 05:23:26] <tsener> i wuold like to learn how
[01-Jul-2011 05:23:59] <tsener> any tutorials on this, or should I refer to the zenoss developers guide ?
[01-Jul-2011 05:24:11] <tsener> I am not really ino python though.. at all 
[01-Jul-2011 05:25:19] <fragfutter> tsener: tough learning cure then.
[01-Jul-2011 05:26:08] <fragfutter> tsener: you could take any (simpler) zenpack. But first you should figure out if a modeler is necessary
[01-Jul-2011 05:27:31] <tsener> what causes the need of customization is that we are going to implement bsnmpd on all ou r machines
[01-Jul-2011 05:28:16] <tsener> the standard modelers that poll info which is viewable then in the OS tab, e.g. file system checks, uses different OIDs
[01-Jul-2011 05:28:23] <tsener> hmm
[01-Jul-2011 05:28:37] <tsener> actually I could use the same modeller but with another template I think
[01-Jul-2011 05:29:04] <tsener> however I have to figur out how to 'clone' the modeller plugin and make it use different templates
[01-Jul-2011 05:31:49] <fragfutter> you might get along by only writing a modeler that detects filesystems at different oids but keeps everything else
[01-Jul-2011 05:34:09] <fragfutter> *hm* no.
[01-Jul-2011 05:35:37] <fragfutter> tsener: can't you tell bsnmpd to present the filesystems at the default locations?
[01-Jul-2011 05:38:38] <fragfutter> its rfc 2790 and i would be surprised if bsd does not implement it
[01-Jul-2011 05:44:08] <tsener> will check if I can
[01-Jul-2011 05:59:01] <fragfutter> begemotSnmpdModulePath."hostres" = "/usr/lib/snmp_hostres.so"
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[01-Jul-2011 06:37:18] <sammi> I'm having trouble with snmp from zenoss virtual applicance to one machine that i'm monitoring. snmpwalk works on other machines against the machine that times out from zenoss.
[01-Jul-2011 06:39:25] <sammi> Any ideas where to look where the issue could be. Zenoss machine is on the same subnet and the snmp community on the target machine is open for all ( 0.0.0.0)
[01-Jul-2011 06:41:48] <fragfutter> sammi: i would start with a tcpdump on both ends to see if package leaves zenoss host, reaches target, target answers, answer reaches zenoss
[01-Jul-2011 06:42:22] <sammi> fragfutter, thanks for the tips, I will try that
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[01-Jul-2011 07:07:52] <sammi> I have now tested my zenoss applicance with tcpdump and wireshark and I can see that the zenoss appliance issues get-next-request and the target is not replying with get-response.
[01-Jul-2011 07:09:51] <sammi> when testing snmpwalk on other hosts to the same target i see series of get-next-request followed by get-response
[01-Jul-2011 07:11:12] <sammi> I sometimes able to do snmpwalk on the zenoss appliance to the target but only on snmpwalk typically only first after reboot
[01-Jul-2011 07:14:52] <sammi> last sentence was a little messy. I'm able to run snmpwalk once or twice on the zenoss applicance against the target device but usually only first after reboot.
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[01-Jul-2011 08:28:28] <tsenera> fragfutter: adding snmp_hostres.so in the config show the HOST-RESOURCES-MIB tree on snmpwalk, however zenoss does not map the filesystems on the OS tab
[01-Jul-2011 08:28:58] <tsenera> I will try readding the host again and see if it models it right
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[01-Jul-2011 10:52:18] <jmp242> Morning all
[01-Jul-2011 11:06:17] <f00fSteR> morning jmp242
[01-Jul-2011 11:10:25] <jmp242> OT: anyone ever pushed CCK configs to Firefox installs of their users in the background?
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[01-Jul-2011 12:13:22] <f00fSteR> w00t logger is finally gone!
[01-Jul-2011 12:13:26] <f00fSteR> ahh shitnits
[01-Jul-2011 12:42:41] <goodcoopr> how long does it usually take to Load initial zenoss objects into the zeo database?
[01-Jul-2011 12:42:59] <Simon4> it can take a good 5-10 mins at times
[01-Jul-2011 12:43:04] <goodcoopr> ok
[01-Jul-2011 12:43:10] <goodcoopr> i've probably been waiting 5
[01-Jul-2011 12:43:13] <goodcoopr> i'll wait another 5
[01-Jul-2011 12:43:17] <goodcoopr> sort of a slow machine too, so
[01-Jul-2011 12:43:20] <Simon4> just wait longer 
[01-Jul-2011 12:43:27] <f00fSteR> goodcoopr, give it a good 10-15 mins depends on your system
[01-Jul-2011 12:43:57] <goodcoopr> it's a small dual core atom rig w/ a slow "green" HDD
[01-Jul-2011 13:30:58] <kerick> I have a device that I cannot delete from the UI, zendmd, or the manager. throws an error about the deviceClass not referring to an object
[01-Jul-2011 13:31:08] <kerick> on a OneToMany relationship
[01-Jul-2011 13:31:36] <kerick> I tried zenfixit, recreating the relationship in zendmd, and the manager
[01-Jul-2011 13:31:38] <kerick> ideas?
[01-Jul-2011 13:35:08] <zykes-> kerick: did you have a guide or something ?
[01-Jul-2011 13:36:57] <kerick> nope
[01-Jul-2011 13:38:05] <rocket> kerick:
[01-Jul-2011 13:38:23] <rocket> dev=find('foo.device.fqdn')
[01-Jul-2011 13:38:27] <rocket> print "Checking Device Class linkage for %s" % dev.titleOrId()
[01-Jul-2011 13:38:27] <rocket> if dev.deviceClass == None:
[01-Jul-2011 13:38:27] <rocket> dc = dev.getPrimaryParent().getPrimaryParent()
[01-Jul-2011 13:38:27] <rocket> dev.deviceClass._add(dc)
[01-Jul-2011 13:38:34] <rocket> commit()
[01-Jul-2011 13:38:44] <kerick> i cut that out of fixit and tried it too
[01-Jul-2011 13:38:47] <kerick> 
[01-Jul-2011 13:39:22] <rocket> zenchkrels -r -x1
[01-Jul-2011 13:39:48] <kerick> trying that now
[01-Jul-2011 13:41:05] <kerick> well, that just bombed on a different device
[01-Jul-2011 13:45:47] <kerick> I'll put in a support ticket, something doesn't seem right here
[01-Jul-2011 13:56:58] <gloin> Hey, I'm trying to do a zenrestore from one 32-bit host to another 32-bit host (same Zenoss versions and packs on both) and it throws ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'zenoss'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[01-Jul-2011 13:57:03] <rocket> kerick: that will be best ..
[01-Jul-2011 13:57:04] <gloin> after that, zendmd breaks
[01-Jul-2011 13:57:12] <gloin> any trick to debugging this?
[01-Jul-2011 13:58:12] <Simon4> gloin: sounds like mysql permissions
[01-Jul-2011 13:58:35] <Simon4> try creating the zenoss user in dest mysql with the same password before restore? or call zenrestore with the password as an argument (I htink you can do that)
[01-Jul-2011 13:58:42] <gloin> ah
[01-Jul-2011 13:58:52] <gloin> the latter might be the trick
[01-Jul-2011 13:59:14] <Simon4> something like --dbpass
[01-Jul-2011 14:00:06] <gloin> odd, it's almost like zenoss didn't create a db
[01-Jul-2011 14:00:10] <gloin> when I installed it
[01-Jul-2011 14:00:33] <Simon4> if you didn't start it it won't have
[01-Jul-2011 14:00:35] <gloin> oh, is it events?
[01-Jul-2011 14:00:38] <Simon4> yup
[01-Jul-2011 14:00:39] <gloin> I did start it after install
[01-Jul-2011 14:00:42] <gloin> ok, nevermind
[01-Jul-2011 14:06:16] <gloin> sigh, I'm now in the unenviable state in which I mean to type "mysql" and instead type "sqlplus"
[01-Jul-2011 15:02:42] <Keo-w> I'm trying to find a zenpack that could monitor AD for when a new user is created/locked out and send an email. anyone have any ideas? didn't see one on the list.
[01-Jul-2011 15:03:23] <Simon4> Keo-w: given you can monitor the eventlog (I think with core) you could have a transform that takes that event and escallates it's severity to make it into an alert?
[01-Jul-2011 15:03:38] <Simon4> rocket: quick correct me if that's just an enterprise thing
[01-Jul-2011 15:04:03] <Keo-w> Ah, i hope it's not enterprsie thing haha
[01-Jul-2011 15:04:08] <Keo-w> how much is enterprise anyway
[01-Jul-2011 15:04:25] <Keo-w> i got here too late they bought friggin solarwinds right before i got here:(
[01-Jul-2011 15:08:33] <Simon4> enterprise is fairly spendy
[01-Jul-2011 15:09:19] * Simon4 checks a core install
[01-Jul-2011 15:11:24] <Simon4> root@netmon001:/opt/zenoss/etc# rpm -qf zeneventlog.conf.example
[01-Jul-2011 15:11:24] <Simon4> zenoss-3.1.0-1004.el5
[01-Jul-2011 15:11:27] <Simon4> appears to be in core
[01-Jul-2011 15:11:36] <jmp242> Keo-w: while I don't know that you could do this well with Zenoss
[01-Jul-2011 15:11:55] <jmp242> I get lots of great reports for (relatively cheap) from NetWrix auditing tools
[01-Jul-2011 15:12:13] <jmp242> I think they have limited free versions, but they're strictly Windows AD stuff
[01-Jul-2011 15:12:32] <Keo-w> jmp thanks for the heads up. I will try that if i can't do it in Zenoss core.
[01-Jul-2011 15:13:04] <jmp242> http://www.netwrix.com/active_directory_change_reporting_freeware.html
[01-Jul-2011 15:13:19] <jmp242> Even has free 4 day rollback of changes in AD
[01-Jul-2011 15:14:05] <Simon4> Keo-w: zenoss core will only do it by scraping the event log, which will take a bit of config/python transform coding to get to fly nicely
[01-Jul-2011 15:14:20] <Simon4> so it's not a plug-in tool by any means, but I think it's probably possible
[01-Jul-2011 15:18:55] <Keo-w> thanks simon
[01-Jul-2011 17:03:09] <gloin> quick question: docs/DOC-10171 says to download the preupgrade30 zenpack, but the community zenpacks page doesn't seem to have that zenpack. Did it move somewhere else?
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[03-Jul-2011 03:30:51] <krphop> hmm, so i'm trying to install a zenpack in 3.1, and i've extracted the .egg out of the zip file, however zenoss does not appear to install the pack
[03-Jul-2011 03:31:14] <krphop> i'm looking in /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/log, and not seeing any errors related
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[04-Jul-2011 04:20:39] <hmp> is zenbackup supposed to break when run while zenoss is running?
[04-Jul-2011 04:21:13] <hmp> it breaks every time because zenoss writes something new in .rrd while zenbackup tries to read
[04-Jul-2011 07:59:17] <AndrisB> am I executing the right command to set up snmp OID for data source, using JSON: {"data":[{"uid":"/zport/dmd/Devices/<path to template>/datasources/testname","source":"<OID VALUE>"}],"action":"TemplateRouter","method":"setInfo","tid":"1","type":"rpc"}
[04-Jul-2011 07:59:18] <AndrisB> ?
[04-Jul-2011 07:59:33] <AndrisB> this is the response i get: {"message": "AttributeError can't set attribute", "type": "exception"}
[04-Jul-2011 08:07:06] <AndrisB> does it mean incorrect parameters are being passed or is this some permission error?
[04-Jul-2011 09:21:12] <amorphic> Hello all, anyone about?
[04-Jul-2011 09:22:23] <amorphic> I'm having some issues with enabling.disabling process monitoring using zendmd
[04-Jul-2011 09:22:32] <amorphic> I suspect I may have found a bug
[04-Jul-2011 09:22:41] * fragfutter . o O (i guess we realy need to write a channel FAQ)
[04-Jul-2011 09:23:11] <fragfutter> amorphic: but the FAQ is not about process monitoring 
[04-Jul-2011 09:24:02] <amorphic> Indeed...:-)
[04-Jul-2011 09:24:09] <amorphic> Well the thing is...
[04-Jul-2011 09:24:36] <amorphic> From what I can see, in Zenoss 3.1.0 it is impossible to enable/disable monitoring of a given proc on a given device using zendmd
[04-Jul-2011 09:24:58] <amorphic> Which is a pretty big problem, at least for me...
[04-Jul-2011 09:26:17] <fragfutter> amorphic: how do you disable it?
[04-Jul-2011 09:26:52] <amorphic> well I've got a thread going on that documents my adventures so far...
[04-Jul-2011 09:27:00] <amorphic> thread/16259?tstart=0
[04-Jul-2011 09:27:19] <amorphic> I've tried using process.monitor = True/False
[04-Jul-2011 09:28:13] <amorphic> and setZenProperty('zMonitor', True/False)
[04-Jul-2011 09:28:23] <amorphic> (committing after both of course)
[04-Jul-2011 09:28:45] <Simon4> amorphic: just a thought, you may need to do a "push changes" after changing/comitting that so the collecting daemon knows you've changed it
[04-Jul-2011 09:29:03] <amorphic> Yeah I figured it was something like that....
[04-Jul-2011 09:29:21] <amorphic> But it's not one of the more strongly documented areas of Zenoss...;)
[04-Jul-2011 09:29:24] <Simon4> >>> dev = find('fe-agg-sw0-h9*')
[04-Jul-2011 09:29:24] <Simon4> >>> dev.pushConfig()
[04-Jul-2011 09:29:30] <Simon4> try that after comitting your change
[04-Jul-2011 09:29:36] <Simon4> (not the find bit )
[04-Jul-2011 09:29:45] <amorphic> Ah, that sounds promising
[04-Jul-2011 09:29:54] <amorphic> I'll give it a shot... one sec
[04-Jul-2011 09:30:10] <fragfutter> amorphic: way ahead of you, already waiting if i get an alert
[04-Jul-2011 09:31:28] <fragfutter> nope that wasn't it.
[04-Jul-2011 09:32:25] <amorphic> ah crap
[04-Jul-2011 09:32:31] <amorphic> so you can recreate the problem?
[04-Jul-2011 09:32:55] <fragfutter> yes
[04-Jul-2011 09:33:10] <fragfutter> p.setZenProperty('zMonitor', False); d.pushConfig()
[04-Jul-2011 09:33:19] <fragfutter> and it still alerts me
[04-Jul-2011 09:33:24] <amorphic> well at least it's not just me :-)
[04-Jul-2011 09:33:42] <amorphic> but you saw the monitor flag switch in the web interface?
[04-Jul-2011 09:34:35] <Simon4> fragfutter: with a commit?
[04-Jul-2011 09:34:44] <fragfutter> amorphic: yes. but for process monitoring i dont trust the webinterface anyway
[04-Jul-2011 09:34:54] <fragfutter> Simon4: yes. forgot to mention.
[04-Jul-2011 09:35:08] <amorphic> alas the web interface is all i can trust
[04-Jul-2011 09:35:22] <amorphic> because I can't work out how to do it with zendmd!
[04-Jul-2011 09:35:56] <fragfutter> amorphic: it would require to go through the webinterface and see what else beside setZenProperty happens
[04-Jul-2011 09:36:28] <amorphic> yeah I thought about that, but I'm not sure I have any idea where to start with that
[04-Jul-2011 09:37:12] <amorphic> I was hoping to go thru this with one of the devs in the dev chat last week...
[04-Jul-2011 09:37:24] <amorphic> But my work VPN screwed up so alas I couldn't test it
[04-Jul-2011 09:38:32] <fragfutter> amorphic: the info object calls setZPropertyInfo(self._object, 'zMonitor', **data)
[04-Jul-2011 09:39:12] <fragfutter> that is in utils.py
[04-Jul-2011 09:39:25] <amorphic> hmm... ok
[04-Jul-2011 09:39:28] <amorphic> what is **data?
[04-Jul-2011 09:39:38] <fragfutter> keyword arguments.
[04-Jul-2011 09:40:07] <fragfutter> an in utils it would call obj._setProperty(zProp, localValue, type=obj.getPropertyType(zProp))
[04-Jul-2011 09:41:49] <amorphic> ok... just trying to grok that
[04-Jul-2011 09:41:53] <fragfutter> lets see what the difference is.
[04-Jul-2011 09:43:07] <fragfutter> ok, internally it setZenProperty goes also to _setProperty
[04-Jul-2011 09:43:40] <amorphic> so that's calling _setProperty in the object itself?
[04-Jul-2011 09:48:03] <fragfutter> amorphic: as far as i see it without running a pdb session. The webinterface calls setZPropertyInfo, which calls _setProperty. using dmd to call setZenProperty also results in calling _setProperty.
[04-Jul-2011 09:49:26] <amorphic> Excuse my ignorance, but what's a pdb session?
[04-Jul-2011 09:49:50] <fragfutter> python debugger.
[04-Jul-2011 09:49:58] <amorphic> ah right...
[04-Jul-2011 09:50:29] <fragfutter> one could also inject a zope webdebugger at the right place and walk it through, but the problem is not that important to me
[04-Jul-2011 09:51:27] <amorphic> yeah, that's getting a bit beyond my current knowledge of Zenoss + Zope
[04-Jul-2011 09:51:47] <amorphic> But if I can't find another way around the problem I guess I'll have to learn
[04-Jul-2011 09:52:04] <fragfutter> interesting i can't toggle monitord inside the webinterface at all.
[04-Jul-2011 09:52:06] <amorphic> It's a bit disappointing though, this doesn't seem to me like something that should be complicated
[04-Jul-2011 09:52:19] <amorphic> Ah yes, you need to apply a patch for that ;-)
[04-Jul-2011 09:52:46] <fragfutter> do you have a patchnumber handy?
[04-Jul-2011 09:52:48] <amorphic> message/55029
[04-Jul-2011 09:52:58] <amorphic> It's all in that thread
[04-Jul-2011 09:53:19] <amorphic> So until I applied that I had *no* way to enable/disable proc monitoring
[04-Jul-2011 09:54:36] <amorphic> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/changeset/25791
[04-Jul-2011 09:55:18] <fragfutter> amorphic: i will restart zenoss and see if it picks up the changes made through the dmd, then we at least no if there only some changes not pushed around.
[04-Jul-2011 09:55:46] <amorphic> Cool... in my experience a restart doesn't apply the changes
[04-Jul-2011 09:56:01] <amorphic> (ones made by dmd I mean)
[04-Jul-2011 09:59:38] <fragfutter> amorphic: yep still wrong. would you open a ticket?
[04-Jul-2011 10:00:00] <amorphic> yeah, that was my next plan of attack
[04-Jul-2011 10:00:24] <amorphic> definitely seems like something's not right somewhere along the line
[04-Jul-2011 10:00:34] <amorphic> I'm just amazed that this hasn't come up sooner
[04-Jul-2011 10:00:39] <amorphic> It's pretty fundamental
[04-Jul-2011 10:00:53] <amorphic> Not sure if it's a regression in 3.x or something
[04-Jul-2011 10:01:10] <fragfutter> amorphic: if a process is picked up by a modeller its monitored. thats it for me.
[04-Jul-2011 10:02:32] <amorphic> fair enuff...
[04-Jul-2011 10:03:03] <amorphic> where I work we have *lots* of in-house apps that start/stop at specific times throughout the day
[04-Jul-2011 10:03:38] <amorphic> So I need to be able to turn monitoring of said procs on/off at those times...
[04-Jul-2011 10:06:24] <amorphic> Anyways thanks for your help ff... getting late down here in Oz
[04-Jul-2011 10:06:36] <amorphic> So I'll raise a ticket when I get in to work in the morning
[04-Jul-2011 10:07:01] <fragfutter> amorphic: you where the australian guy?
[04-Jul-2011 10:07:21] <amorphic> I'm an Australian guy
[04-Jul-2011 10:07:32] <amorphic> Not sure if I'm *the* Australian guy
[04-Jul-2011 10:07:47] <fragfutter> now i remember. you where happy last thursday to find someone alive in the channel
[04-Jul-2011 10:07:56] <amorphic> That's me, yep :-)
[04-Jul-2011 10:08:12] <amorphic> But then I was thwarted because I couldn't test Hackerman's suggestion
[04-Jul-2011 10:08:19] <amorphic> Because my work VPN was b0rked
[04-Jul-2011 10:08:56] <amorphic> Basically if I have a zenoss problem I can't crack myself, I have to wait until midnight and come in here from home...:-|
[04-Jul-2011 10:09:35] <amorphic> Hackman, not Hackerman
[04-Jul-2011 10:09:38] <Simon4> amorphic: I'm a kiwi, so close
[04-Jul-2011 10:09:41] <Simon4> based in the UK though
[04-Jul-2011 10:09:50] <fragfutter> Simon4: i just wanted to ask
[04-Jul-2011 10:09:59] <amorphic> Ah, that was me up until a few years ago...;)
[04-Jul-2011 10:10:15] <amorphic> But now I'm stuck on the wrong side of the world when it comes to cutting-edge IT ;-)
[04-Jul-2011 10:12:26] <amorphic> Anyways enjoy your day fellas, talk to you next time...
[04-Jul-2011 10:12:53] <fragfutter> amorphic: *worstaustralianimitationvoice* yeah mate, have fun
[04-Jul-2011 10:13:30] * fragfutter how come i feel the urge to watch crocodile dundee
[04-Jul-2011 10:13:33] <amorphic> Bonza, shrimp, barbie etc...
[04-Jul-2011 10:13:52] <amorphic> I'm getting outta here before the Aussie-bashing gets any worse... later
[04-Jul-2011 10:13:58] <fragfutter>
[04-Jul-2011 10:20:37] <AndrisB> soo, anyone here can help me with my problem? I'm getting an error while trying to use JSON setInfo function: "2011-07-04T15:00:05 ERROR extdirect can't set attribute"
[04-Jul-2011 10:49:02] <AndrisB> ok, i figured it out.. i had to change parameter name from "source" to "oid".
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[04-Jul-2011 17:38:59] <sergeymasushko> Hello, can some one point me to the root of the issue? I have the following event: zenhub|User-supplied Python expression (here.getRRDValue('memTotalReal') * 0.15) for minimum value caused error: ['memTotalReal_memTotalReal']. How can I find which exact datasorce which causes it? Is it an RRD issue?
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[04-Jul-2011 20:34:10] <krphop> when i install zenoss 2.5.X, it seems like many of the menus are broken
[04-Jul-2011 20:34:51] <krphop> i'm running debian lenny, i've tried zenoss 2.5.0 and 2.5.2
[04-Jul-2011 20:36:00] <krphop> like if i browse to device list, the search bar is broken, and the 'add new devices...' is half off the screen and just in text instead of a real button
[04-Jul-2011 20:39:05] <krphop> and i cant seem to display any events at all, the formatting just all seems kinda messed up
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[05-Jul-2011 00:42:39] <willwh> krphop: what browser are you using?
[05-Jul-2011 00:42:46] <willwh> chromium? :]
[05-Jul-2011 00:43:08] <willwh> I am not running 2.5* any longer... but pretty sure it had issues in chrome/chromium
[05-Jul-2011 02:17:20] <krphop> willwh: using firefox
[05-Jul-2011 02:30:26] <willwh> hmm, ran fine for me running 2.5.2 I think
[05-Jul-2011 02:30:32] <willwh> I am running 3x now
[05-Jul-2011 08:08:14] <jmp242> Morning all. Reality sets in again after another 4th of July
[05-Jul-2011 08:16:13] <Jane_Curry> Mornin - at least your week starts on Tuesday this week!
[05-Jul-2011 08:17:08] <Jane_Curry> Anyone there advise me on overwriting class definitions from standard Core, by a ZenPack???
[05-Jul-2011 08:17:45] <Hackman238> Hello all!
[05-Jul-2011 08:17:53] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: What are you trying to do?
[05-Jul-2011 08:18:01] <Jane_Curry> Mornin - another 4th July hangover?????
[05-Jul-2011 08:18:38] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Nein nein. LOL
[05-Jul-2011 08:19:01] <Jane_Curry> What I am really trying to do is change the security.declareprotected tags in RenderServer.py and Location.py
[05-Jul-2011 08:19:28] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: You could monkeypatch
[05-Jul-2011 08:20:06] <Jane_Curry> I know I can monkey patch methods but I'm not convinced that the immediately preceding security tags go with the original core or with my overriding ZenPack
[05-Jul-2011 08:21:00] <Jane_Curry> Can I monkey patch entire classes - or just methods?
[05-Jul-2011 08:21:08] <rocket> Jane_Curry: you could apply the security tags to the new monkey patched method ... I dont recall if its necessary however
[05-Jul-2011 08:21:50] <Jane_Curry> Or should a class definition in a ZenPack automatically override the same-name class from Core??
[05-Jul-2011 08:22:04] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: You can monkeypatch anything
[05-Jul-2011 08:22:33] <rocket> Jane_Curry: I wouldnt use the same names if possible .. it will lead to confusion down the road
[05-Jul-2011 08:23:11] <Jane_Curry> Bear with me here - I'm really not sure what I am talking about.....
[05-Jul-2011 08:23:17] <Hackman238> rocket: I think she's trying to modify role access to existing methods
[05-Jul-2011 08:23:28] <Jane_Curry> Yup
[05-Jul-2011 08:24:53] <Jane_Curry> If I want to overwrite the standard Location class from ZenModel/Location.py
[05-Jul-2011 08:25:03] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: You could monkeypatch every instance you need...but it'll be very much a lot of work to make sure you aren't breaking patched code, etc.
[05-Jul-2011 08:25:47] <rocket> Jane_Curry: what are you trying to accomplish by overridding a core class?
[05-Jul-2011 08:25:49] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Almost seems like it would be better to write actual patches to act on the .py files directly
[05-Jul-2011 08:25:50] <Jane_Curry> can I just copy all the code I wanr from ZenModel/Location.py into the __init__.py of my ZenPack
[05-Jul-2011 08:26:33] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Theres no certaincy that the Location.py you provide will be version compatible and patch level compatible if its in a zenpack.
[05-Jul-2011 08:26:49] <Jane_Curry> remove and install the ZenPck, bounce zenhub, zopectl and then expect my version of Location to override - no extra monkey patch statements
[05-Jul-2011 08:27:17] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Right, but I think it'll cause more users problems than not.
[05-Jul-2011 08:27:58] <Jane_Curry> I know all the arguments about compatibility - I want a quick, contained patch for this level of the code whilst I try to get the Core code patched through tickets
[05-Jul-2011 08:28:32] <Jane_Curry> What I don't want is a current solution that is a mixture of ZenPack and hacking bits of Core directly
[05-Jul-2011 08:28:41] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: I almost think you'd be better making patches (using diff) that get applied to the needed files. Missing methods and patch level incompatible files will simply fail to patch the problem statements. That's what I would do.
[05-Jul-2011 08:29:48] <Jane_Curry> Hmmm - I was trying to avoid that but mebbe you are right
[05-Jul-2011 08:29:49] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: To answer about overriding Location.py by prodiving it- I dont think that would work.
[05-Jul-2011 08:30:41] <Jane_Curry> It doesn't seem to - tried all sorts of variants but i don't think my class overrides ever "take"
[05-Jul-2011 08:30:45] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: When items are included they are specificed by their location. E.x. from Products.DataCollector.plugins.CollectorPlugin import SnmpPlugin
[05-Jul-2011 08:31:27] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: In that case $Zenhome/Products/DataColector/plugins/CollectorPlugin is the file being included
[05-Jul-2011 08:31:51] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: To override Location.py, you'd need to change all the include statements to point to your copy
[05-Jul-2011 08:32:06] <Jane_Curry> Yeh - so I guess you will always at least need the monkey patch statements or, as you say, the import will always follow the hard-coded Core version
[05-Jul-2011 08:32:23] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Not impossible, but I can't see it being easily done outside of using patches.
[05-Jul-2011 08:32:54] <Jane_Curry> I tried a version with monkey patch statements for the class, as well as the class redefinition..
[05-Jul-2011 08:33:09] <Hackman238> rocket: What do you think?
[05-Jul-2011 08:33:39] <Jane_Curry> .. my understanding is that monkey patching will override stuff at load time so I hoped this would work - but no joy
[05-Jul-2011 08:34:02] <rocket> I dont see a way to do it without monkeypatching ..
[05-Jul-2011 08:34:20] <Jane_Curry> and I can monkey patch a complete class??
[05-Jul-2011 08:34:51] <rocket> Jane_Curry: sure .. but I havent seen any examples internally if I recall correctly
[05-Jul-2011 08:35:11] <rocket> Jane_Curry: however if you can get by modifying a few methods it would be safer for now
[05-Jul-2011 08:35:38] <Jane_Curry> modifying methods is where I started and it works a treat for some things
[05-Jul-2011 08:36:16] <Jane_Curry> My issue is where I need to change the security.declareProtested tag and I come back to the question...
[05-Jul-2011 08:36:48] <Jane_Curry> does the security tage get picked up from the original core or from the monkey-patched version???????
[05-Jul-2011 08:37:03] <Jane_Curry> If we could resolve this, it may solve my problems
[05-Jul-2011 08:37:58] <rocket> so basically you need to change the declareProtectedTag and you dont know how to do that?
[05-Jul-2011 08:38:36] <Jane_Curry> not as part of an override scenario
[05-Jul-2011 08:40:39] <Jane_Curry> For example, in my __init__.py I have copied the render method from ZenRRD/RenderServer.py, including the security tag
[05-Jul-2011 08:41:05] <Jane_Curry> I have changed just the tag, in the line immediately preceding the def statement:
[05-Jul-2011 08:41:41] <Jane_Curry> and then I have, further down,
[05-Jul-2011 08:42:37] <Jane_Curry> from Products.ZenRRD.RenderServer import RenderServer
[05-Jul-2011 08:42:58] <Jane_Curry> RenderServer.render - render
[05-Jul-2011 08:43:35] <Jane_Curry> Is that the right way to do it?????
[05-Jul-2011 08:45:28] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: I think in the case of moneypatching you'll need to supply entire copies of the classes and methods of the files you're trying to override. I dont think you can override just a piece of a class or method...if you can I'd like to know how.
[05-Jul-2011 08:46:03] <rocket> so Jane this is my thought
[05-Jul-2011 08:46:24] <rocket> from ZenRRD/RenderServer.py import render
[05-Jul-2011 08:46:58] <rocket> Origrender = render
[05-Jul-2011 08:47:16] <rocket> from Products.ZenUtils.Utils import monkeypatch
[05-Jul-2011 08:47:43] <rocket> @monkeypatch('Products.ZenRRD.RenderServer')
[05-Jul-2011 08:47:53] <rocket> def render(.....)
[05-Jul-2011 08:48:07] <rocket> do stuff ..
[05-Jul-2011 08:48:18] <rocket> Origrender(....)
[05-Jul-2011 08:49:03] <rocket> at the @monkeypatch line I would add your security.declareProtected
[05-Jul-2011 08:50:05] <Jane_Curry> Hackman238 - I'm sure you're right you have to duplicate the entire class / method / whatever
[05-Jul-2011 08:50:58] <Jane_Curry> When my method replacements with security tags failed, I though perhaps replacing the whole class, including the tags embedded for the methods, might do better - no joy though
[05-Jul-2011 08:52:07] <Jane_Curry> rocket: not sure about your comment about the monkeypatch line including the security tag...
[05-Jul-2011 08:52:53] <Jane_Curry> I haven't used the @monkeypatch syntax - just had lines like RenderServer.render = render
[05-Jul-2011 08:59:37] <rocket> Assuming you want to override the security for the Device.setManageIp method...
[05-Jul-2011 08:59:37] <rocket> import Globals
[05-Jul-2011 08:59:37] <rocket> from AccessControl import ClassSecurityInfo
[05-Jul-2011 08:59:37] <rocket> from Products.ZenModel.Device import Device
[05-Jul-2011 08:59:37] <rocket> Device.security = ClassSecurityInfo()
[05-Jul-2011 08:59:39] <rocket> Device.security.declareProtected(ZEN_VIEW, 'setManageIp')
[05-Jul-2011 08:59:42] <rocket> Globals.InitializeClass(Device)
[05-Jul-2011 09:00:33] <rocket> thats according to another engineer here ..
[05-Jul-2011 09:04:55] <Jane_Curry> Thanks - I'll have a go at that - need lunch first though!
[05-Jul-2011 09:31:42] <Keo-w> can zenoss monitor a service only duriong a certain time of the day
[05-Jul-2011 09:32:01] <Keo-w> say 8am-3pm
[05-Jul-2011 09:37:35] <dhopp> Keo-w: not specifically like that..but you could set a maintenance window from 3 PM to 7:59 AM and get sort of the same effect (an event will still be generated, but you shouldn't get any notification e-mails)
[05-Jul-2011 09:39:37] <Keo-w> right on
[05-Jul-2011 09:41:41] <rmatte> Keo-w: docs/DOC-5822
[05-Jul-2011 09:42:17] <Keo-w> awesome thanks Ryan.
[05-Jul-2011 09:42:21] <rmatte> np
[05-Jul-2011 09:44:06] <fragfutter> rmatte: you might want to store time.localtime() so you won't execute the function twice
[05-Jul-2011 09:47:24] <Hackman238> rmatte: Hey, how goes it?
[05-Jul-2011 09:51:48] <rmatte> Hackman238: alright
[05-Jul-2011 09:52:10] <rmatte> feeling under the weather, but too much stuff to get done to be able to take another day off
[05-Jul-2011 09:53:29] <Hackman238> rmatte: Never a good thing.
[05-Jul-2011 09:53:37] <rmatte> :| nope
[05-Jul-2011 09:55:12] <dhopp> Things I learned on vacation 1) Me, a stroller, and theme park crowds should not co-exist in the same location at the same time 2) Some 5 year olds are more considerate then their 30+ parents
[05-Jul-2011 09:55:19] <rmatte> haha
[05-Jul-2011 09:56:17] <rmatte> fragfutter: good point about storing it... those are quick and dirty examples but you're correct
[05-Jul-2011 09:56:36] <rmatte> fragfutter: I also don't use re.match anymore, I use "in"
[05-Jul-2011 09:56:47] <rmatte> unless I'm actually using a regex expression
[05-Jul-2011 09:57:23] <rmatte> hmmm, "regex expression" redundant
[05-Jul-2011 09:57:53] <dhopp> rmatte: sort of like ATM Machine
[05-Jul-2011 09:59:18] <rmatte> yup lol
[05-Jul-2011 10:00:45] <dhopp> although ATM Machine bugs me more then regex expression…
[05-Jul-2011 10:00:53] <rmatte> lol
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[05-Jul-2011 10:42:23] <jmp242> ehh or Rio Grande River lol
[05-Jul-2011 10:43:45] <froztbyte> uhm, is there a nice way on 2.5 to add devices with the CLI tools? I've seen that it looks like the zendisc command gets called with Device Type path settings and such, but I've not seen details for SNMP communities and that popping up
[05-Jul-2011 10:46:13] * froztbyte tries to look around on the site
[05-Jul-2011 10:46:24] <froztbyte> (which is usable for me again today!)
[05-Jul-2011 10:47:55] <froztbyte> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/wiki/HowToAddDevice \o/
[05-Jul-2011 10:47:58] <froztbyte> that'll work
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[05-Jul-2011 11:39:18] <fragfutter> froztbyte: zendisc run help
[05-Jul-2011 11:41:16] <froztbyte> seems just 'zendisc help' here, but cool, ta
[05-Jul-2011 11:41:26] <froztbyte> the xmlrpc method also worked well
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[05-Jul-2011 11:57:52] <froztbyte> fragfutter: that doesn't seem to have something for the SNMP community though, I notice
[05-Jul-2011 11:58:08] <froztbyte> I guess it tries to inherit the device class default?
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[05-Jul-2011 12:18:09] <froztbyte> actually what, this thing doesn't actually seem to have done anything through xmlrpc
[05-Jul-2011 12:18:17] <froztbyte> wut :/
[05-Jul-2011 12:19:25] <froztbyte> hmm
[05-Jul-2011 13:00:47] <f00fSteR> .
[05-Jul-2011 13:00:48] <f00fSteR> heyy chan
[05-Jul-2011 13:00:53] <f00fSteR> whats up today ?
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[05-Jul-2011 14:30:25] <Jane_Curry> bigegor - I have just commented on your Blog comment....
[05-Jul-2011 14:52:13] <bigegor> thanks Jane. I totally agree with you, it seems like: Enterprise = Core + 'some features' will be replaced by Core = Enterprise - 'some features' concept.
[05-Jul-2011 14:54:48] <Hackman238> bigegor: URL?
[05-Jul-2011 14:55:21] <bigegor> blogs/zenossblog/2011/06/27/zenoss-update-service-dynamics-next-steps
[05-Jul-2011 15:09:39] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry / bigegor: commented also
[05-Jul-2011 15:17:14] <jmp242> Mmmm, indeed
[05-Jul-2011 15:21:30] <Hackman238> jmp242: "Quite" in the voice of Stewie (Family Guy)
[05-Jul-2011 15:25:30] <jmp242> IDK, I've said all I can think of in the IRC meeting
[05-Jul-2011 15:25:52] <jmp242> I'm not sure that it merits repeating in a blog comment when the IRC logs are publicly available
[05-Jul-2011 15:30:01] <jmp242> I'd hate for Zenoss Core to become untenable though... It's a pain to change established services
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[05-Jul-2011 15:30:22] <Hackman238> jmp242: I wouldn't worry- I think thats unlikely
[05-Jul-2011 15:42:53] <dhopp1> I personally was disappointed in the blog entry…after everything that happened and that it was over a month since Bill was in here saying a blog entry was coming I was expecting more then a "we promise to do something with core"
[05-Jul-2011 15:45:41] <Hackman238> dhopp1: Agreed- its far more nebulous than promised.
[05-Jul-2011 15:50:41] <joko_> dsa
[05-Jul-2011 15:52:41] <dhopp1> joko_: ?
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[05-Jul-2011 15:57:34] <jmp242> Hackman238: yea
[05-Jul-2011 15:57:41] <jmp242> I think it's unlikely also
[05-Jul-2011 15:57:55] <jmp242> hence why I'm fighting to keep Core relevant with Zenoss Inc
[05-Jul-2011 15:58:24] <jmp242> dhopp: I was a bit disappointed, but actually I am happy they are (supposed to be) soliciting community input
[05-Jul-2011 15:58:56] <jmp242> That (may be) more than I was expecting prior, but then again, what can they really do between now and mid August unless it *is* a code dump to the Core SVN . . .
[05-Jul-2011 15:59:40] <dhopp> jmp242: I don't expect them to put everything in Core..but I was hoping for more direction then what the blog said
[05-Jul-2011 16:00:16] <jmp242> While lots of users around the general web often ask for releases that focus on bug fixes, only bug fix releases for Core when there are *MAJOR* feature releases in Enterprise (or whatever) leave core users feeling a little unexcited
[05-Jul-2011 16:01:55] <dhopp> jmp242: agreed…and releasing a new enterprise before Core seems backwards…I get why they did it, but it seems to me releasing Core to the community and letting us hammer it is probably the best beta testing they have (outside of customers the size of rackspace). Let us hammer the 'core' features
[05-Jul-2011 16:03:56] <jmp242> Well, I'm sure we all eagerly await some more info on the direction this is going
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[06-Jul-2011 13:37:09] <gloin> quick question: Is it possible (aka has it been done) to run ZenOss with an Oracle database backend?
[06-Jul-2011 13:37:52] <zlude> hello! how can i edit the subject alert from zenoss?
[06-Jul-2011 13:38:55] <zlude> someone?
[06-Jul-2011 13:45:30] <zlude> rmatte!
[06-Jul-2011 13:51:10] <rmatte> zlude: Have you even tried clicking on anything? This one is very obvious
[06-Jul-2011 13:51:33] <rmatte> Advanced -> Users -> <User> -> Alerting Rules -> Message
[06-Jul-2011 13:51:58] <rmatte> Where <User> is the name of the user that you're configuring the alerting rule for
[06-Jul-2011 13:56:26] <zlude> rmatte: thanks!
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[06-Jul-2011 16:01:32] <nonsenso> ahoy, anyone around?
[06-Jul-2011 16:01:59] <rmatte> yuh
[06-Jul-2011 16:02:07] <willwh> yarrrr
[06-Jul-2011 16:02:28] <nonsenso> how goes?
[06-Jul-2011 16:02:30] <rocket> I know one by the name "around"
[06-Jul-2011 16:02:52] <rmatte> I think you were going for by the name "anyone"?
[06-Jul-2011 16:02:54] <rocket> err I know of no one by the name "around"
[06-Jul-2011 16:03:00] <nonsenso> hahah.
[06-Jul-2011 16:03:12] <rocket> or "Anyone Around"
[06-Jul-2011 16:03:21] <rocket> depending on how you inflect that ..
[06-Jul-2011 16:03:25] * nonsenso looks behind herself.
[06-Jul-2011 16:03:33] <nonsenso> no one back here.
[06-Jul-2011 16:03:58] <rmatte> "herself", probably the only other female I've seen in here in the last year besides Jane
[06-Jul-2011 16:04:31] <nonsenso> (: girl nerds do exist.
[06-Jul-2011 16:04:38] <nonsenso> though i don't meet many.
[06-Jul-2011 16:04:43] <rmatte> indeed they do, but they are rarities
[06-Jul-2011 16:04:45] <rmatte> lol
[06-Jul-2011 16:04:49] * nonsenso nods.
[06-Jul-2011 16:05:22] <nonsenso> i'm standing up a new production zenoss install. sort of struggling with apache/ssl/zope.
[06-Jul-2011 16:06:28] <nonsenso> the lb stack i have is not optimal but goes like, "aws elb -> pound -> haproxy -> foo"
[06-Jul-2011 16:06:47] <nonsenso> where foo, is my zenoss install running apache and zenoss.
[06-Jul-2011 16:07:27] <nonsenso> it appears to be rediring fine, but when i go to login, i get errors that the user isn't valid.
[06-Jul-2011 16:07:43] <nonsenso> logging in via :8080 is gravy.
[06-Jul-2011 16:07:56] <nonsenso> also, i'm using the ldap plugins.
[06-Jul-2011 16:08:04] <rmatte> hmmm, I personally use sun web proxy here for ssl and it works well
[06-Jul-2011 16:08:12] <rocket> why all the frontend?
[06-Jul-2011 16:08:13] <rmatte> not sure about your particular setup
[06-Jul-2011 16:08:34] <rmatte> what he said ^
[06-Jul-2011 16:08:34] <rocket> typically we tell customers to just use apache with ssl rewrites
[06-Jul-2011 16:08:50] <nonsenso> nod. a lot more standalone then.
[06-Jul-2011 16:08:54] <nonsenso> i just don't have the ssl certs.
[06-Jul-2011 16:09:10] <rocket> can you do self signed?
[06-Jul-2011 16:09:17] <nonsenso> meh, i'll just gen one for now. so much easier than this freaky mess whoever the heck setup.
[06-Jul-2011 16:09:20] * nonsenso shudders.
[06-Jul-2011 16:09:27] <rmatte> free ssl certs: http://cert.startcom.org/
[06-Jul-2011 16:09:39] <nonsenso> i have an internal ca. it's all gravy.
[06-Jul-2011 16:09:49] <rmatte> ah ok
[06-Jul-2011 16:10:21] <nonsenso> yeah, when i got to this job, they were totally planning on using splunk for monitoring.
[06-Jul-2011 16:10:26] * nonsenso scratches head.
[06-Jul-2011 16:10:44] <rocket> certs are a domain area I still have no idea if I am implementing them fully correctly .. :/
[06-Jul-2011 16:10:50] <rmatte> splunk is only useful for log parsing really lol
[06-Jul-2011 16:11:01] <rocket> eg I understand them in concept .. there are just too many knobs to tweak
[06-Jul-2011 16:11:12] <nonsenso> rmatte: yeah or deep analysis or something within an app or something.
[06-Jul-2011 16:11:24] <nonsenso> the monitoring (alerting) aspect of it blows chunks.
[06-Jul-2011 16:11:35] <rmatte> rocket: I had in-depth experience with them recently, more experience than I cared to have, and under the skin they really aren't that complex
[06-Jul-2011 16:11:49] <nonsenso> rocket: yeah if you have questions, i'm happy to help.
[06-Jul-2011 16:13:14] <rmatte> I'm spinning my brain trying to think of why it would think the username is invalid
[06-Jul-2011 16:13:53] <rocket> most likely a redirect is sending something to the wrong place
[06-Jul-2011 16:13:58] <rmatte> unless the username gets somehow lost in translation
[06-Jul-2011 16:14:05] <rmatte> yeh
[06-Jul-2011 16:14:25] <rmatte> that's what it sounds like
[06-Jul-2011 16:14:47] <jmp242> I have to admit I looked at splunk, but it's paid for heavy use, and I prefer open solutions
[06-Jul-2011 16:14:55] <nonsenso> from the lb'd vip, i'm directed to:
[06-Jul-2011 16:14:58] <nonsenso> https://mon.foo.com/zport/acl_users/cookieAuthHelper/login_form?came_from=http%3A//mon.foo.com/zport/dmd/
[06-Jul-2011 16:15:10] <jmp242> I'm thinking about Prelude if I can get it to run lol
[06-Jul-2011 16:15:12] <nonsenso> greylog2 looks interesting
[06-Jul-2011 16:15:15] <rmatte> jmp242: well, we're going to be using splunk here eventually since we haven't found anything opensource that can handle the load that we need it to
[06-Jul-2011 16:15:44] <jmp242> Hmmm. I can't say about load really
[06-Jul-2011 16:16:15] <jmp242> I'm thinking about using OSSEC for most log collection and initial parsing, and then forwarding via Syslog to some other front-end, maybe Prelude if I can get it to work or else ELSA probably
[06-Jul-2011 16:18:13] <nonsenso> also potentially of some consequence, i am getting a security warning thru the lb'd vip that some of the page isn't encrypted when i hit the login button.
[06-Jul-2011 16:19:15] <rmatte> you have the google maps API on your dashboard?
[06-Jul-2011 16:19:27] <rmatte> google maps portlet rather
[06-Jul-2011 16:19:32] <nonsenso> yeah
[06-Jul-2011 16:19:35] <nonsenso> it's a default dash
[06-Jul-2011 16:19:42] <rmatte> that'll be delivered non-encrypted as I recall
[06-Jul-2011 16:19:42] <nonsenso> not config'd with api key or nothin
[06-Jul-2011 16:19:53] <nonsenso> ah. k.
[06-Jul-2011 16:20:11] <rmatte> possibly also if you have the web portlet
[06-Jul-2011 16:20:20] <rmatte> probably non-encrypted as well
[06-Jul-2011 16:22:09] <nonsenso> here's the rewrite rule i'm sporting:
[06-Jul-2011 16:22:12] <nonsenso> RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://internal:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/mon.foo.com:80/VirtualHostRoot/$1 [L,P]
[06-Jul-2011 16:22:36] <nonsenso> (ssl term happens on the lb stack of doom)
[06-Jul-2011 16:24:53] <rmatte> yeh, no idea honestly
[06-Jul-2011 16:25:19] <rmatte> If it was an actual Zenoss question I'd be right on the ball with it lol
[06-Jul-2011 16:25:37] <nonsenso> hehe. thanks either way.
[06-Jul-2011 16:25:42] <rmatte> np
[06-Jul-2011 16:26:57] <rmatte> so when you get the warning about part of the page being unencrypted...
[06-Jul-2011 16:27:13] <rmatte> that's right after you click to login and before you see the error?
[06-Jul-2011 16:33:21] <rocket> # instruction to turn on Rewrite
[06-Jul-2011 16:33:22] <rocket> RewriteEngine On
[06-Jul-2011 16:33:22] <rocket> # optional for debugging (can be very helpful during setup period
[06-Jul-2011 16:33:22] <rocket> # RewriteLog /var/log/httpd/rewrite_log
[06-Jul-2011 16:33:22] <rocket> # RewriteLogLevel 3
[06-Jul-2011 16:33:24] <rocket> # rewrite rule instructing Apache to proxy any reqest to Zope's port 9099
[06-Jul-2011 16:33:26] <rocket> RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://127.0.0.1:9099/VirtualHostBase/https/%{SERVER_NAME}:443/$1 [P,L]
[06-Jul-2011 16:33:48] <rocket> < VirtualHost *:80 > # this can be uncommented if debugging is needed # RewriteLog /var/log/httpd/rewrite_log # RewriteLogLevel 3 # turn on the RewriteEngine RewriteEngine On # redirect all requests on port 80 to https/443 RewriteRule ^/(.*) https://%{SERVER_NAME}:443/$1
[06-Jul-2011 16:33:52] <rocket> < /VirtualHost >
[06-Jul-2011 16:33:55] <rocket> Listen 8080
[06-Jul-2011 16:33:57] <rocket> < VirtualHost *:8080 > # RewriteLog /var/log/httpd/rewrite_log # RewriteLogLevel 3 # turn on the RewriteEngine RewriteEngine On # redirect all requests on port 8080 to https/443 RewriteRule ^/(.*) https://%{SERVER_NAME}:443/$1
[06-Jul-2011 16:34:01] <rocket> < /VirtualHost >
[06-Jul-2011 16:34:04] <rocket> well that wrapped funny
[06-Jul-2011 16:36:12] <rmatte> lol
[06-Jul-2011 16:36:18] <rmatte> fpaste.org
[06-Jul-2011 16:36:41] <rocket> yeah .. I was multitasking
[06-Jul-2011 16:36:54] <rocket> trying to devote minimal cycles to the answer
[06-Jul-2011 16:37:11] <rmatte>
[06-Jul-2011 16:37:15] <rmatte> excuses excuses
[06-Jul-2011 16:37:31] <rocket> I am a lazy SOB cant help it
[06-Jul-2011 16:37:33] <nonsenso> haha. sorry, i'm back. boss called.
[06-Jul-2011 16:37:50] <rmatte> he seems to have found what you need
[06-Jul-2011 16:38:02] <nonsenso> rmate: yes to the question about the unencrypted error.
[06-Jul-2011 16:38:13] <rocket> wow a new name "back. boss called" ...
[06-Jul-2011 16:38:21] <rocket> you must be a riot at parties ...
[06-Jul-2011 16:38:32] <nonsenso> the puns!!
[06-Jul-2011 16:38:40] <nonsenso> your SO must love your jokes.
[06-Jul-2011 16:38:44] <rmatte> and another new name, "lazy SOB cant help it"
[06-Jul-2011 16:39:01] <nonsenso> i know because i have a similar model at home that makes the same corny jokes.
[06-Jul-2011 16:39:10] <rmatte> lol
[06-Jul-2011 16:39:34] <rocket> honey is that you?
[06-Jul-2011 16:39:36] <rocket>
[06-Jul-2011 16:39:39] <nonsenso> hahahah
[06-Jul-2011 16:41:09] <rmatte> rocket: you planning on upgrading your community packs to work with 3.x eventually or are they effectively dead in the water?
[06-Jul-2011 16:41:24] <rocket> rmatte: I would love to .. if I had time ..
[06-Jul-2011 16:41:40] <rmatte> so your answer would be "Yes Ryan, they are dead in the water"
[06-Jul-2011 16:41:42] <rmatte> lol
[06-Jul-2011 16:41:54] <rmatte> I'll probably have a go at converting them once I'm done with my formula datasource pack
[06-Jul-2011 16:41:57] <rocket> rmatte: 8 month old, 4 year old, +full time zenoss, +part time consulting
[06-Jul-2011 16:42:08] <rocket> +spouse ..
[06-Jul-2011 16:42:08] <nonsenso> rocket: eeeeeeee. that's too much!
[06-Jul-2011 16:42:14] <rmatte> I'm not criticizing, just wanted to make sure that I'm not wasting my own time by working on them
[06-Jul-2011 16:42:29] <rocket> no your not .. I keep intending too .. then I pass out ...
[06-Jul-2011 16:43:15] <Hackman238> rocket: Pass out? Drinking on the job!
[06-Jul-2011 16:43:25] <rocket> of course ... dont you?
[06-Jul-2011 16:43:30] <Hackman238> rocket:
[06-Jul-2011 16:43:43] <Hackman238> Hum...just noticed I'm not op today
[06-Jul-2011 16:43:44] <rocket> H2O is a killer in large quantities ..
[06-Jul-2011 16:44:02] <Hackman238> TY
[06-Jul-2011 16:44:24] <rmatte> omfg, omfg, op me! op me! op me! plzzzzzzz plzzzzzzz kthx
[06-Jul-2011 16:44:29] <rmatte>
[06-Jul-2011 16:44:30] <rmatte> lol
[06-Jul-2011 16:44:38] <Hackman238> rmatte: We should coordinate efforts on cleaning up packs for 3.x...I've done a bunch already
[06-Jul-2011 16:44:40] <rocket>
[06-Jul-2011 16:44:45] <Hackman238> LOL
[06-Jul-2011 16:44:55] <rmatte> (flash back to my old IRC days when we'd have 12 year olds come in and do that all the time)
[06-Jul-2011 16:45:13] <rmatte> lol
[06-Jul-2011 16:45:15] <rmatte> tnx
[06-Jul-2011 16:45:21] <Hackman238> rmatte: Oh yes...
[06-Jul-2011 16:45:49] <rmatte> Hackman238: yeh we should, as soon as my formula pack gets dealt with
[06-Jul-2011 16:45:51] <nonsenso> rmatte: how long have you been ircing?
[06-Jul-2011 16:46:05] <rmatte> there's a music festival here over the next 2 weeks and I'll be there basically every night
[06-Jul-2011 16:46:13] <rmatte> so projects on hold until that's done
[06-Jul-2011 16:46:14] <rmatte> lol
[06-Jul-2011 16:46:15] <Hackman238> rmatte: Nice
[06-Jul-2011 16:46:25] <rmatte> a perfect circle are playing on sunday, can't wait
[06-Jul-2011 16:46:42] <Hackman238> rmatte: I know not Perfect Circle
[06-Jul-2011 16:46:57] <gloin> Hi, earlier I asked a question but then chat session reset, was wondering if it's possible to run ZenOss with Oracle as the database backend rather than MySQL.
[06-Jul-2011 16:47:04] <rocket> Hackman238: then you must know oval ..
[06-Jul-2011 16:47:10] <Hackman238> rmatte: I listen to Assemblage 23, OOMPH, and Unheilig and the like
[06-Jul-2011 16:47:17] <rocket> gloin: no
[06-Jul-2011 16:47:28] <rocket> gloin: not out of the box anyway
[06-Jul-2011 16:47:32] <Hackman238> gloin: It wouldnt be easy
[06-Jul-2011 16:48:07] <gloin> it's pretty much the events table holding everything, right?
[06-Jul-2011 16:48:13] <rocket> gloin: it will be even harder in the newest versions of zenoss .. 3.2 and earlier versions of zenoss have the simplest databases
[06-Jul-2011 16:48:14] <rmatte> Hackman238: you probably know Tool?
[06-Jul-2011 16:48:25] <nonsenso> Hackman238: that's sorta industrialy stuff, no?
[06-Jul-2011 16:48:31] <rocket> gloin: yes however the code to manage the tables is very hardcoded and very ugly
[06-Jul-2011 16:48:32] <Hackman238> gloin: Theres mroe to it. The stored procedures and triggers would need to be converted
[06-Jul-2011 16:48:43] <gloin> Hackman238: ah, that kind of says it all
[06-Jul-2011 16:48:44] <rocket> there are only 2 of those ..
[06-Jul-2011 16:49:27] <Hackman238> gloin: It can be done for sure, just need to know how to do that
[06-Jul-2011 16:49:33] <gloin> rocket: in future versions the table complexity goes up eh?
[06-Jul-2011 16:49:37] <Hackman238> nonsenso: Yes
[06-Jul-2011 16:49:39] <rmatte> Hackman238: If you've heard of the band Tool, A Perfect Circle has the same singer, it's one of his side project bands, they are amazing
[06-Jul-2011 16:50:02] <Hackman238> rmatte: I'll check them out
[06-Jul-2011 16:50:03] * gloin digresses into thoughts about Jourgensen side projects back in the day...
[06-Jul-2011 16:50:11] <nonsenso> Hackman238: it looks like a little more on the idm site tho?
[06-Jul-2011 16:50:13] <rocket> gloin: very much so ..
[06-Jul-2011 16:50:27] <nonsenso> jourgensen is a weenie.
[06-Jul-2011 16:50:30] <gloin> hah
[06-Jul-2011 16:50:47] <gloin> rocket: thanks, that's probably enough to convince The Boss that we haven't got the time
[06-Jul-2011 16:50:48] <rmatte> Hackman238: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9MAg9E5K3w
[06-Jul-2011 16:51:09] <gloin> ==can't be arsed
[06-Jul-2011 16:51:13] <nonsenso> though, ministry did have some goodies.
[06-Jul-2011 16:51:14] <rocket> gloin: its not going to be supported by anyone else either
[06-Jul-2011 16:51:23] <gloin> rocket: exactly
[06-Jul-2011 16:51:30] <rocket> gloin: and I am sure you will find more existing bugs than you want to mess with
[06-Jul-2011 16:51:31] <gloin> nonsenso: stigmata
[06-Jul-2011 16:52:07] <nonsenso> gloin: the upside to mysql is it just works and for hte most part you won't have to mess with it.
[06-Jul-2011 16:52:22] <nonsenso> guessing that question came up because you're an oracle shop with little/no mysql in house?
[06-Jul-2011 16:52:51] <gloin> I personally like mysql and we do support it internally, but the pointy-haireds start talking about buzzword availability and buzzword recovery
[06-Jul-2011 16:53:02] <gloin> and then the oracle sales people call and buzzword buzzword
[06-Jul-2011 16:53:06] <gloin> you know the drill
[06-Jul-2011 16:53:08] <nonsenso> yeah
[06-Jul-2011 16:53:20] <nonsenso> i work with a bunch of ex-oracle people.
[06-Jul-2011 16:53:27] <gloin> lucky bastards
[06-Jul-2011 16:53:33] <nonsenso> i regularly play buzzword bingo in my head during meetings.
[06-Jul-2011 16:53:51] <rocket> zenbackup
[06-Jul-2011 16:53:55] <rocket> zenrestore
[06-Jul-2011 16:54:00] <rmatte>
[06-Jul-2011 16:54:04] <gloin> the db engine is decent, has some interesting features as well as some facepalm moments but sheesh, the apps are a nightmare
[06-Jul-2011 16:54:05] <rocket> problems seem to be resolved ..
[06-Jul-2011 16:54:10] <nonsenso> bah, which reminds me. one happens on the hour.
[06-Jul-2011 16:54:14] <Hackman238> rmatte: Not a good version, but good song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbE88Ia_miU
[06-Jul-2011 16:54:17] <gloin> rocket: that's how I brought up a dev box, works a treat
[06-Jul-2011 16:54:32] <gloin> ok
[06-Jul-2011 16:54:40] * gloin needs to work
[06-Jul-2011 16:54:43] <gloin> thanks y'all
[06-Jul-2011 16:55:28] <rmatte> Hackman238: it's like rammstein meets korn
[06-Jul-2011 16:55:59] <Hackman238> rmatte:
[06-Jul-2011 16:56:03] <rmatte> ah it lightens up at the mid-point
[06-Jul-2011 16:56:23] <rmatte> do you actually speak german or something?
[06-Jul-2011 16:56:33] <rmatte> or just a fan of music that you can't understand?
[06-Jul-2011 16:56:34] <rmatte> lol
[06-Jul-2011 16:56:39] <Hackman238> rmatte: Very good song also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rdfTVXAb0Y
[06-Jul-2011 16:56:46] <rocket> I think german .. but dont understand the language ..
[06-Jul-2011 16:57:02] <rmatte> I am german but don't understand the language
[06-Jul-2011 16:57:03] <rmatte> lol
[06-Jul-2011 16:57:04] <Hackman238> rmatte: I speak enough of it
[06-Jul-2011 16:57:14] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yeah, I'm mostly German
[06-Jul-2011 16:57:27] <rmatte> well, I'm also half french
[06-Jul-2011 16:57:50] <rmatte> which I do speak
[06-Jul-2011 16:58:00] <Hackman238> rmatte: I'd imagine you would in Canada
[06-Jul-2011 16:58:01] <Hackman238>
[06-Jul-2011 16:58:02] <rocket> my great grandparents speak german .. but I never learned .. I wish I did ..
[06-Jul-2011 16:58:35] <rmatte> Hackman238: well, you'd be surprised, this is really the only area in Canada where people are commonly bilingual
[06-Jul-2011 16:58:55] <Hackman238> rocket: It's a great language. I've found it messes with my syntax when I type too fast for post correction due to structural differnces.
[06-Jul-2011 16:58:58] <rmatte> Hackman238: as soon as you head in to western Ontario and further west it's completely english
[06-Jul-2011 16:59:12] <Hackman238> rmatte: I didnt know that
[06-Jul-2011 16:59:12] <rmatte> as you head in to Quebec there are some places where they just speak french, no english
[06-Jul-2011 16:59:22] <rmatte> then maritimes are english only
[06-Jul-2011 16:59:55] <rmatte> yeh, Ottawa is right on the border of Quebec, they are literally right across the river from us..
[06-Jul-2011 17:00:06] <rmatte> so both languages are commonplace here
[06-Jul-2011 17:00:10] <Hackman238> Gotcha
[06-Jul-2011 17:00:23] <Hackman238> rmatte: What say you of that second band?
[06-Jul-2011 17:00:38] <rmatte> not bad
[06-Jul-2011 17:01:11] <rmatte> you're in to less mainstream stuff than I am
[06-Jul-2011 17:01:31] <Hackman238> rmatte: I'll be honest, I dont listen to hardly any mainstream music.
[06-Jul-2011 17:01:37] <rmatte> the bands I listen to by far the most are tool, a perfect circle, and nine inch nails
[06-Jul-2011 17:01:59] <rmatte> and by sunday night I'll have seen all 3 live
[06-Jul-2011 17:02:02] <rmatte> hehe
[06-Jul-2011 17:02:04] <Hackman238> rmatte: I particularly dislike Rap and substanceless music.
[06-Jul-2011 17:02:13] <rmatte> yeh, I'm not a rap or hip hop person
[06-Jul-2011 17:02:34] <rmatte> If I hear another auto-tuned song I shall strange the singer
[06-Jul-2011 17:02:38] <rmatte> strangle*
[06-Jul-2011 17:02:43] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL
[06-Jul-2011 17:02:48] <nonsenso> Hackman238: how about nurse with wound, skinny puppy or stuff like that?
[06-Jul-2011 17:03:01] <Hackman238> nonsenso: I dont know them.
[06-Jul-2011 17:03:12] <nonsenso> oldies but goodies.
[06-Jul-2011 17:03:16] <rmatte> well, there is so rap that I like, I won't lie, but it's stuff like house of pain
[06-Jul-2011 17:03:28] <Hackman238> nonsenso: I'll take a look.
[06-Jul-2011 17:03:32] <Hackman238> rmatte: yeah
[06-Jul-2011 17:03:54] <nonsenso> Hackman238: stay away from SP's new stuff. it's trash, imo. the earlier stuff fromt he 80s was good.
[06-Jul-2011 17:04:15] <rmatte> This is my favourite a perfect circle song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avgiqNapUx0
[06-Jul-2011 17:04:18] <Hackman238> really what I like is music with substance and clarity. Few mainstream songs are clear while maintaining harmony and a certain degree of auditory complexity
[06-Jul-2011 17:04:34] <rmatte> APC = eargasm
[06-Jul-2011 17:04:44] <nonsenso> Hackman238: aphex twin or add n to x?
[06-Jul-2011 17:04:49] <rmatte> then you'll love APC, they define what you just said
[06-Jul-2011 17:05:06] <nonsenso> those are more electronic tho, less indus/idm
[06-Jul-2011 17:05:17] <Hackman238> nonsenso: Some of aphex twin is good, but if one isnt careful one will destroy subs XD
[06-Jul-2011 17:05:21] <rmatte> aphex twin - window licker, awesome song
[06-Jul-2011 17:05:29] <Hackman238> rmatte: I was just going to mention window licker
[06-Jul-2011 17:05:32] <Hackman238>
[06-Jul-2011 17:05:34] <rmatte> hehe
[06-Jul-2011 17:05:41] <Hackman238> Alrighty I have to run.
[06-Jul-2011 17:05:44] <rmatte> later
[06-Jul-2011 17:05:52] <nonsenso> Hackman238: RDJ has done some awesome side projects like Mike & Rich (expert knob twiddlers)
[06-Jul-2011 17:05:56] <nonsenso> see ya.
[06-Jul-2011 17:05:59] <nonsenso> oop meeting time.
[06-Jul-2011 17:06:01] * nonsenso &
[06-Jul-2011 17:06:30] <Hackman238> I've some new music to download in to the car now 1500 Watts of Eclipse Ti subs and 750 Watts of Eclipse interiors
[06-Jul-2011 17:06:50] <rmatte> nice
[06-Jul-2011 17:07:38] <rmatte> If you download an APC album I recommend starting out with Mer de Noms, then grab the others too if you want
[06-Jul-2011 17:08:55] <rocket> Hackman238: I dont have that in my car .. I have that in my house ..
[06-Jul-2011 17:09:37] <rocket> nice onkyo reciever with pinnacle speakers ... soooo nice ..
[06-Jul-2011 17:11:50] <rocket> gotta run ...
[06-Jul-2011 17:25:07] <rmatte> I must be going too, heading to see bedouin soundclash play
[06-Jul-2011 17:49:13] <otakup0pe> wtf zenoss3 embeds graphs as base64 encoded images ?
[06-Jul-2011 17:49:24] <otakup0pe> is it possible to link directly to rrdserver or something anymore ? or is there a webservice to pull that data out ?
[06-Jul-2011 19:21:38] <jb> whats the correct RRD graph format to turn a value such as "440" into "44.0"?
[06-Jul-2011 19:29:48] <gloin> Going a bit nuts here (not with RRD, sorry): doing a data source test, it dies with "Command timed out" says DONE in 30 seconds but when I execute the command from within the ZenPack directory it takes about 40-45 seconds to complete.
[06-Jul-2011 19:30:11] <gloin> I've tried changing zencommand settings but it still times out after 30 seconds
[06-Jul-2011 19:30:21] <gloin> is this a global or do I need to monkey with the zenpack itself?
[06-Jul-2011 19:30:43] <gloin> (it's the ORACLE_INSTANCE_ADDITIONAL template)
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[07-Jul-2011 04:50:41] <tsener> hello
[07-Jul-2011 04:56:56] <tsener> got a question regardin collector plugins
[07-Jul-2011 08:23:13] <Jane_Curry> tsener: What's your question????
[07-Jul-2011 08:26:29] <Hackman238> Hello all!
[07-Jul-2011 08:26:54] <Jane_Curry> Mornin!
[07-Jul-2011 08:33:28] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: How goes it?
[07-Jul-2011 08:50:25] <jb> whats the correct RRD graph format to turn a value such as "440" into "44.0"?
[07-Jul-2011 08:51:31] <Hackman238> jb: set the RPN to 10,\
[07-Jul-2011 08:52:06] <Hackman238> jb: That'll give you 44.
[07-Jul-2011 08:53:09] <jb> thanks, trying that now.
[07-Jul-2011 08:53:39] <Hackman238> jb: NP
[07-Jul-2011 08:53:56] <jb> error: invalid rpn expression in: Chassis_Temperature-raw,10,\
[07-Jul-2011 08:54:59] <Hackman238> jb: Let me clarify where to put the rpn. You'll want to put it under the graphpoint definition
[07-Jul-2011 08:55:52] <jb> correct, thats what I did.
[07-Jul-2011 08:56:23] <Hackman238> jb: Woops, my mistake, I meant /
[07-Jul-2011 08:56:26] <Hackman238> jb: 10,/
[07-Jul-2011 08:56:32] <Hackman238> jb:
[07-Jul-2011 08:57:07] <jb> thre we go.. thanks!
[07-Jul-2011 08:57:20] <Hackman238> jb: NP
[07-Jul-2011 09:33:58] <Jane_Curry> Hackman238: Getting there - slowly
[07-Jul-2011 09:34:14] <Jane_Curry> Got a new version of the UserRoles ZenPack
[07-Jul-2011 09:35:05] <Jane_Curry> There was a super append from Chet yesterday with ZenPack example code - message/59676#59676 did you see it??
[07-Jul-2011 09:36:43] <Keo-w> ther an easy way for zenoss only to alert me for specific events. right now it's alerting me for like every warning.
[07-Jul-2011 09:42:50] <jmp242> Keo-w: check the Admin guide
[07-Jul-2011 09:42:55] <jmp242> for Alerting rules
[07-Jul-2011 09:43:00] <jmp242> and set up appropriate ones
[07-Jul-2011 09:45:48] <jmp242> Hey, anyone seen this thread? message/59680#59680
[07-Jul-2011 09:46:03] <jmp242> I'm wondering if I'm right that he needs to modify a component template to get disk queue lenght
[07-Jul-2011 09:47:25] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Interesting
[07-Jul-2011 09:47:53] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Oh, you'll be happy to know I'm building a Zenoss 3.x/4 Technique zenpack
[07-Jul-2011 09:48:38] <Hackman238> jmp242: Thats correct
[07-Jul-2011 10:18:56] <fragfutter> jmp242: if i'm not totaly of, just create a template with the same name somewhere in the tree. Components will also walk up the tree until they find one matching their name
[07-Jul-2011 10:24:26] <jmp242> Oh ok
[07-Jul-2011 10:24:30] <jmp242> Thanks fragfutter
[07-Jul-2011 10:26:44] <Jane_Curry> Hackman238: Great to hear you are building a ZenPack - bad news that we might need one!
[07-Jul-2011 10:27:02] <dhopp> Hackman238: zenoss 3.x/4 technique zenpack? what is that for?
[07-Jul-2011 10:35:09] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: I dont understand
[07-Jul-2011 10:35:40] <Hackman238> dhopp: Zenpack that covers all the mysterious UI functionality of Zenoss 3.x/4 zenpacks
[07-Jul-2011 10:36:08] <fragfutter> i would guess it is a hint at not getting documentation from zenoss inc
[07-Jul-2011 10:36:17] <Jenza> Jane_Curry: Hey, are you about?
[07-Jul-2011 10:37:04] <Hackman238> fragfutter: 'Hint hint-idy hint hint' as said by Stewie from Family Guiy
[07-Jul-2011 10:37:19] <dhopp> Hackman238: as a learning tool?
[07-Jul-2011 10:37:35] <Hackman238> fragfutter: Just kidding. Its my understanding Zenoss will soon hit us with some useful docs.
[07-Jul-2011 10:38:00] <Hackman238> dhopp: Yes.
[07-Jul-2011 10:38:08] <dhopp> Hackman238: very nice
[07-Jul-2011 10:48:16] <rocket> that is the plan .. however examples are always nice to go with documentation
[07-Jul-2011 11:01:23] <Jane_Curry> Jenza: Yup.....
[07-Jul-2011 11:01:58] <Jenza> Was just going to say thanks for the Juniper zenpack.
[07-Jul-2011 11:02:14] <Jane_Curry> So what's the plan for providing better documentation - it's been talked about for many months now......
[07-Jul-2011 11:02:23] <Jenza> Found one bug in the Juniper device bit, but I think it only rears it's head when you're using an olive
[07-Jul-2011 11:02:31] <Jane_Curry> Jenza: Great - what have you tested it against?
[07-Jul-2011 11:02:37] <Jenza> Just olives
[07-Jul-2011 11:02:44] <Jenza> so, virtualised junipers.
[07-Jul-2011 11:02:59] <Jane_Curry> Any issues???
[07-Jul-2011 11:03:26] <Jenza> Just wait I said earlier. Given it's virtual a few of the maps don't work
[07-Jul-2011 11:03:32] <Jenza> but there was one bit in the juniper device, sec.
[07-Jul-2011 11:04:20] <Jenza> om.setHWProductKey doesn't get set and it throws an error when trying to concat NoneType + str
[07-Jul-2011 11:04:28] <Jenza> File "/opt/zenoss/ZenPacks/ZenPacks.ZenSystems.Juniper-1.0-py2.6.egg/ZenPacks/ZenSystems/Juniper/modeler/plugins/JuniperDeviceMap.py", line 49, in process
[07-Jul-2011 11:04:28] <Jenza> om.setHWProductKey = om.setHWProductKey + ' ' + om._modelNumber
[07-Jul-2011 11:04:28] <Jenza> TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for +: 'NoneType' and 'str'
[07-Jul-2011 11:04:36] <Jenza> Apart from that it works fine
[07-Jul-2011 11:13:28] <Jane_Curry> Is this an official IRC now???
[07-Jul-2011 11:16:46] <f00fSteR> welcome chan!
[07-Jul-2011 11:17:25] <nyeates> Hello anyone.
[07-Jul-2011 11:17:45] <nyeates> Today, now, 15 mins ago, is a scheduled developer chat.
[07-Jul-2011 11:18:02] <fragfutter> back to the future
[07-Jul-2011 11:18:10] <jmp242> nice - dev chat
[07-Jul-2011 11:18:21] <nyeates> To be truthful, I missed it because literally we are smack in the middle of heavy community replanning.
[07-Jul-2011 11:18:49] <jmp242> Hmm, are we going to have a community discussion?
[07-Jul-2011 11:19:23] <nyeates> We had a internal meeting yesterday and had some good debate. No decisions yet - just putting out all of the communities and our frustrations.
[07-Jul-2011 11:21:19] <nyeates> I belive Simon is drafting a discussion question for the blog.
[07-Jul-2011 11:23:01] pmcguire is now known as ptmcg
[07-Jul-2011 11:23:33] <Jane_Curry> so what shall we chat about today..............................
[07-Jul-2011 11:23:33] <nyeates> So fire away any dev questions, etc. I just got Paul to come over
[07-Jul-2011 11:23:43] <ptmcg> Sorry, I overslept
[07-Jul-2011 11:23:56] <nyeates> All of Zenoss Inc overslept today
[07-Jul-2011 11:24:04] <Jane_Curry> So what's the plan for providing better documentation for ZenPacks - it's been talked about for many months now......
[07-Jul-2011 11:24:05] <ptmcg> (not really, was digging into some WMI bits)
[07-Jul-2011 11:24:07] <rocket> Paul you didnt do that did you?
[07-Jul-2011 11:24:51] <Jane_Curry> Sounds like Hackman238 is building a zenoss 3.x/4 technique zenpack - could we have more details??
[07-Jul-2011 11:25:19] <ptmcg> I don't know if I would call it a "plan", but I was just putting together some integration notes for the post-Avalon Dev Guide update - new integration points for event processing
[07-Jul-2011 11:26:06] <ptmcg> So I think there is a new Dev Guide in the works after Avalon goes out, but I don't know timing - I think there is a *lot* of updating needed for that doc
[07-Jul-2011 11:28:04] <rocket> nyeates: this probably will be something you and/or the additional resource for community should be driving
[07-Jul-2011 11:28:21] <rocket> Jane_Curry: I know internally we are supposed to help you with your docs when we get time.
[07-Jul-2011 11:28:39] <ptmcg> I was working on some ZenPack tickets this week, and I see that there is a ZenPackTemplate directory in core - is that supposed to be the pattern for ZenPack devs to follow?
[07-Jul-2011 11:28:55] <nyeates> Yes. when we go from 1 PT position to 2FT community positions it will help. Also an increased focus on technical aspects of the community has been discussed.
[07-Jul-2011 11:29:16] <Jane_Curry> yeh - no disrespect but you guys don't exactly have spare time coming out of your ears....
[07-Jul-2011 11:30:15] <ptmcg> That is one of the most respectful comments I've heard in months, actually
[07-Jul-2011 11:30:31] <nyeates> The thing that paul said above is that it was about avalon and events - so really this means nothing to community right now. Im fighting fighting for relstorage and the new event system and my hopes are that we can see these come to the community... and therefore also the documentation.
[07-Jul-2011 11:30:54] <ptmcg> Ah, sorry
[07-Jul-2011 11:31:41] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Details on the pack?
[07-Jul-2011 11:32:12] <nyeates> It was relevant, Im glad you spoke up Paul, as sometimes other devs do not....
[07-Jul-2011 11:32:35] <Jane_Curry> If you have them - and they are shareable - yup
[07-Jul-2011 11:32:49] <nyeates> I am curious to hear these details too, as im not aware of them either
[07-Jul-2011 11:34:31] <Hackman238> Its just a zenpack for Zenoss 3.x and 4 that implements various GUI methods in a well commented manner so another zenpack author can unzip it and find the parts of the UI that they need to implement into their pack
[07-Jul-2011 11:35:05] <Hackman238> Basically a working model
[07-Jul-2011 11:35:18] <fragfutter> Hackman238: you know paster templates?
[07-Jul-2011 11:35:38] <Hackman238> fragfutter: I dont understand
[07-Jul-2011 11:36:49] <Jane_Curry> Hackman238: sounds incredibly useful - like the Zenoss example ZenPack - in spades, doubled & vulnerable
[07-Jul-2011 11:37:18] <fragfutter> Hackman238: in plone (and a few other products) paster is used to generate the basic structure of a new "module".
[07-Jul-2011 11:37:29] <nyeates> Hackman238: is there a location / url for it yet?
[07-Jul-2011 11:37:50] <Hackman238> nyeates: Negative. Not yet, soon though.
[07-Jul-2011 11:38:18] <Hackman238> nyeates: It covers the '+' menus, custom facades, dynamic views, etc
[07-Jul-2011 11:39:26] <Jane_Curry> Dynamic Views - this sounds like Enterprise (aka Service Dynamics )
[07-Jul-2011 11:39:43] <nyeates> Hmmm, ive just learned about facades being conglomerate external interfaces - sort of like an API, but different.
[07-Jul-2011 11:39:50] <nyeates> this is avalon stuff
[07-Jul-2011 11:41:05] <Jane_Curry> Different question - why have I acquired a green jersey in the chat people menu???
[07-Jul-2011 11:41:16] <nyeates> Also routers, but not the networking type, the code type. Being a class that the browser interacts with.
[07-Jul-2011 11:41:49] <nyeates> Hopefully ppl in here will be needing to know this avalon stuff soon in the future :-)
[07-Jul-2011 11:42:11] <fragfutter> Jane_Curry: i would guess op (irc op status)
[07-Jul-2011 11:42:14] <nyeates> I gave you auto Ops. IRC channel operator.
[07-Jul-2011 11:42:27] <Jane_Curry> Still waiting for any announcements that say anything though
[07-Jul-2011 11:43:04] <Jane_Curry> fragfutter: and what does irc op status mean / confer (not being a guru in any way on chat....)
[07-Jul-2011 11:43:16] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Yes, dynamic view is only ent
[07-Jul-2011 11:43:19] <nyeates> Me and a few devs felt it was weird to have only Zenoss Inc be ops. A first step in a better direction of shared community interaction, I hope Jane.
[07-Jul-2011 11:43:24] <fragfutter> Jane_Curry: you can kick me if i start to annoy you
[07-Jul-2011 11:43:39] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Op
[07-Jul-2011 11:43:50] <fragfutter> Jane_Curry: change the topic, so everyone knows that now is a dev session (because nyeates forget to change it)
[07-Jul-2011 11:43:59] <ptmcg> UI->router->facade->impl code was set up pre-Avalon, Nick
[07-Jul-2011 11:44:13] <Jane_Curry> Still waiting for any announcements that say anything though - this was in answer to Nick hoping that us Core folk would need to know about Avalon stuff
[07-Jul-2011 11:44:19] <nyeates> Paul: thx for correction:-)
[07-Jul-2011 11:44:41] <nyeates> What is impl?
[07-Jul-2011 11:45:15] <ptmcg> implementation
[07-Jul-2011 11:45:33] <Jane_Curry> Can you point me to help stuff on op status - how do I change the topic
[07-Jul-2011 11:45:41] <Simon4> /topic foo
[07-Jul-2011 11:45:52] <ptmcg> Great Simon, you just changed the topic!
[07-Jul-2011 11:46:01] <Jane_Curry> works!
[07-Jul-2011 11:46:04] <nyeates> ptmcg: And the arrows denote some hierarchy, or no?
[07-Jul-2011 11:46:06] <Simon4> ptmcg: apart from my lack of ops?
[07-Jul-2011 11:46:21] <ptmcg> Not hierarchy, calling flow
[07-Jul-2011 11:47:10] <Jane_Curry> I know I'm getting to sound like an echo here, but...
[07-Jul-2011 11:47:49] <Jane_Curry> So what's the plan for providing better documentation for ZenPacks - it's been talked about for many months now......
[07-Jul-2011 11:47:50] <nyeates> ptmcg: What does calling flow mean? Can you explain this?
[07-Jul-2011 11:49:31] <nyeates> Jane: There is no specific, detailed plan currently. The only thing on my list is to get your docs reviewed, and that kind of got put on hold b/c of this community upheavel. It will be easier to make this plan once we know where community direction is headed, and what resources we have, etc.
[07-Jul-2011 11:50:40] <ptmcg> (I hope I'm getting this right) The UI calls back to the Zope server, which dispatches to a router, which calls the facade, which then calls the actual implementation code, which then returns the data back to the facade, to the router, to the webserver, which sends the response back to the UI
[07-Jul-2011 11:51:39] <fragfutter> ptmcg: sounds legit
[07-Jul-2011 11:53:21] <Jane_Curry> ptcmg: sounds COMPLICATED!!!
[07-Jul-2011 11:53:23] * gloin wants to ask a support-type question but does not want to interfere with dev chat. Alas!
[07-Jul-2011 11:53:36] <nyeates> Complex was my first thought too.
[07-Jul-2011 11:53:40] <ptmcg> Each layer does its own work at its own level of abstraction - the implementation code can work in the functional space of the domain objects, independent of any operation within a webserver, or any pollution of browser/http details
[07-Jul-2011 11:54:05] <Hackman238> fragfutter: Nein, sorry
[07-Jul-2011 11:55:26] <fragfutter> Hackman238: then ignore my question and continue. It's not worth the effort to learn it. It would only have been a nice idea to get a zenpack-template constructor.
[07-Jul-2011 11:55:54] <Hackman238> fragfutter: I'll add it to my list of things to read up on for future projects
[07-Jul-2011 11:56:47] <Hackman238> ...to do list has recenty grown by a magnitude of 10 since I just aquired the licensing and resources for one of my long standing projects.
[07-Jul-2011 11:57:47] <ptmcg> The router layer deals with interactions with the webserver, adapting requests to the facade API; the facade API gives a consistent interface to underlying domain objects
[07-Jul-2011 11:58:42] <jmp242> gloin: ask away, dev chat is good for that too
[07-Jul-2011 11:58:45] <ptmcg> The underlying domain objects interact among themselves with many object interfaces, but the facade only exposes the significant parts of those interfaces
[07-Jul-2011 11:58:51] <nyeates> ptmcg: are routers and facades general design patterns, or specific to python or js?
[07-Jul-2011 11:58:51] <Hackman238> ptmcg: Ever seen this problem? "ERROR:zen.RRDView:(111, 'Connection refused')" while doing a getRRDValues?
[07-Jul-2011 11:59:45] <ptmcg> They are general design patterns - I've used them in Python, Java, C++...
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[07-Jul-2011 12:00:33] <ptmcg> Hackman238: doesn't ring a bell, one of the support guys may have more insight on it
[07-Jul-2011 12:00:34] <Jane_Curry> ptmcg: We need a picture - or pictures....
[07-Jul-2011 12:00:49] <gloin> thanks jmp242. I'm trying to install the LDAP plugins and can't because on RHEL the systemwide install is python2.4 while the zenoss rpm packages provide a local instance of python2.6 that does not provide python-ldap. Trying to install python-ldap by hand is leading to dependency nightmare.
[07-Jul-2011 12:01:21] <jmp242> Hmmm, are you sure you're installing it via the .egg easy install in the "correct" python version?
[07-Jul-2011 12:01:22] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: ASCII diagrams!
[07-Jul-2011 12:01:24] <jmp242> i.e. the local one
[07-Jul-2011 12:01:33] <jmp242> do it as the zenoss user etc. . .
[07-Jul-2011 12:01:48] <nyeates> ptmcg: This is good info you just gave us - hopefully it will be in the dev guide you said you were working on. Nad as jane said, pictures are nice.
[07-Jul-2011 12:01:55] <Jane_Curry> I'll settle for PDF piccys on the website
[07-Jul-2011 12:02:05] <fragfutter> gloin: login as zenoss user, run easy_install python-ldap
[07-Jul-2011 12:02:12] <nyeates> ...or napkin snapshots ;-)
[07-Jul-2011 12:02:20] <gloin> jmp242: going per here: docs/DOC-2510
[07-Jul-2011 12:02:48] <ptmcg> IRC constrains my graphical options...
[07-Jul-2011 12:02:58] <Jane_Curry> or whiteboard photos...
[07-Jul-2011 12:02:59] <gloin> fragfutter: thanks!
[07-Jul-2011 12:03:23] <jmp242> yea, what he said
[07-Jul-2011 12:03:30] <gloin> fragfutter: nevermind, build fails just as it did when I tried by hand
[07-Jul-2011 12:03:36] <jmp242> that page is almost certainly wrong
[07-Jul-2011 12:04:02] <ptmcg> gloin: I worked on the LDAP upgrade for 3.0, isn't there also a new dependency on pyasn...
[07-Jul-2011 12:04:05] * ptmcg checking notes
[07-Jul-2011 12:05:07] <jmp242> hmm, it seems like you can't install python-ldap using yum to me
[07-Jul-2011 12:05:18] <gloin> jmp242: only for python2.4
[07-Jul-2011 12:05:48] <ptmcg> Man, these notes are from last July!
[07-Jul-2011 12:06:00] <fragfutter> thats why you need to run an easy_install.
[07-Jul-2011 12:06:15] <gloin> fragfutter: and easy_install fails
[07-Jul-2011 12:06:18] <jmp242> Just what I thought
[07-Jul-2011 12:06:26] <jmp242> are you runnin easy_install in the local python?
[07-Jul-2011 12:06:29] <fragfutter> and it tells you that it misses what? gcc? some headers?
[07-Jul-2011 12:06:42] <gloin> In file included from Modules/LDAPObject.c:18:
[07-Jul-2011 12:06:42] <gloin> /usr/include/sasl/sasl.h:349: warning: function declaration isn’t a prototype
[07-Jul-2011 12:06:51] <gloin> etc
[07-Jul-2011 12:07:06] <fragfutter> gloin: and a bit up most likely something about a missing header
[07-Jul-2011 12:07:50] <gloin> http://pastebin.com/wgE4jzhE
[07-Jul-2011 12:08:07] <gloin> It might be in there but I'm not seeing it
[07-Jul-2011 12:09:27] <nyeates> Any ideas for a channel topic? Humor encouraged
[07-Jul-2011 12:09:57] <fragfutter> /topic community will get avalon, message queue and relstorage in 2011
[07-Jul-2011 12:10:12] <Simon4> 
[07-Jul-2011 12:10:14] <gloin> /topic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvR6HOGWgn0 if you see gloin, run!
[07-Jul-2011 12:10:32] <Hackman238> All your bits r belong to us?
[07-Jul-2011 12:11:09] <gloin> fragfutter: did you see pastebin? Only 37 lines long
[07-Jul-2011 12:12:03] <gloin> I'm not sure why easy_install run is assuming presence of /opt/openldap-RE24/ since none such exists
[07-Jul-2011 12:12:22] <fragfutter> gloin: *hm* maybe the 2.4.1 pyhton ldap requires a newer cyrus library
[07-Jul-2011 12:12:52] <gloin> back to dependency hell
[07-Jul-2011 12:13:18] <nyeates> We had a tshirt that said that
[07-Jul-2011 12:13:20] <dhopp> Hackman238: on your Core installs are any of them 3.x?
[07-Jul-2011 12:13:23] <jmp242> I have some
[07-Jul-2011 12:13:28] <jmp242> I love them nyeates
[07-Jul-2011 12:13:32] <gloin> ActiveDirectory (This object from the LDAPMultiPlugins product is broken!)
[07-Jul-2011 12:13:34] <gloin> hrm
[07-Jul-2011 12:14:14] <Hackman238> --/topic grep "def doom" $ZENHOME/lib/* -R
[07-Jul-2011 12:14:23] <Hackman238> dhopp: Yes
[07-Jul-2011 12:14:27] <ptmcg> gloin: my notes from a year ago indicate these versions: python-ldap 2.3.11, OpenLDAP 2.24.1, OpenSSL 0.9.80, cyrus-sasl 2.1.23
[07-Jul-2011 12:14:27] <fragfutter> gloin: do you require sasl?
[07-Jul-2011 12:14:35] <dhopp> Hackman238: do you have them connecting to LDAP?
[07-Jul-2011 12:14:40] <Hackman238> dhopp: Yes
[07-Jul-2011 12:14:46] <dhopp> Hackman238: what OS?
[07-Jul-2011 12:14:51] <dhopp> Hackman238: Centos 5?
[07-Jul-2011 12:14:54] <Hackman238> dhopp: Redhat, RPM install
[07-Jul-2011 12:14:55] <ptmcg> gloin: so 2.4.1 is beyond what I had
[07-Jul-2011 12:15:22] <gloin> wondering if I need to do a reinstall
[07-Jul-2011 12:15:48] <gloin> the tricky part was this is a dev box to test upgrades, it started off at 2.5 using a zenrestore from the production box
[07-Jul-2011 12:15:51] <Hackman238> gloin: What OS, and zenoss install type?
[07-Jul-2011 12:15:57] <gloin> the upgrade to 3 went fine
[07-Jul-2011 12:16:06] <gloin> Hackman238: rhel5, rpm upgrade
[07-Jul-2011 12:16:23] <Hackman238> gloin: Should not have such trouble with ldap
[07-Jul-2011 12:16:50] <Hackman238> gloin: protip- rpm's of dep libraries wont work unless you want to link all over.
[07-Jul-2011 12:17:04] <Hackman238> gloin: Let me check my docs
[07-Jul-2011 12:17:05] <dhopp> Hackman238: I had some issues because 3.x using python 2.6 by centos/redhat 5 uses 2.4
[07-Jul-2011 12:17:23] <Hackman238> dhopp: Like I said, cant use the rpm's for the deps
[07-Jul-2011 12:18:17] <gloin> Hackman238: so instead of rpm should it be stack install?
[07-Jul-2011 12:18:26] <Hackman238> gloin: no no
[07-Jul-2011 12:18:43] <Hackman238> gloin: rpm deps for ldap is what I am refering to
[07-Jul-2011 12:18:48] <gloin> ah
[07-Jul-2011 12:18:55] <gloin> so how to work around
[07-Jul-2011 12:19:05] * gloin sees fixing a wiki page somewhere after all this is done
[07-Jul-2011 12:19:07] <Hackman238> download python-ldap-2.3.13.tar.gz
[07-Jul-2011 12:19:11] <Hackman238> unzip as zenoss user
[07-Jul-2011 12:19:14] <Hackman238> cd to dir
[07-Jul-2011 12:19:25] <Hackman238> as zenoss, python setup.py install
[07-Jul-2011 12:19:34] <gloin> ok
[07-Jul-2011 12:19:48] <Hackman238> download LDAPUserFolder-2.12.tgz & LDAPMultiPlugins-1.7.tgz and install as perscribed
[07-Jul-2011 12:20:18] <nyeates> [11:58] <nyeates> ptmcg: are routers and facades general design patterns, or specific to python or js?
[07-Jul-2011 12:20:18] <nyeates> [11:58] <Hackman238> ptmcg: Ever seen this problem? "ERROR:zen.RRDView:(111, 'Connection refused')" while doing a getRRDValues?
[07-Jul-2011 12:20:18] <nyeates> [11:59] <ptmcg> They are general design patterns - I've used them in Python, Java, C++...
[07-Jul-2011 12:20:18] <nyeates> Thanks everyone for dev chat. Devs.... free to roam :-)
[07-Jul-2011 12:20:22] <nyeates> whoa
[07-Jul-2011 12:20:39] <nyeates> sorry paste button happy
[07-Jul-2011 12:21:22] * ptmcg back to WMI...
[07-Jul-2011 12:23:47] <Hackman238> gloin: Win or Fail?
[07-Jul-2011 12:24:23] <gloin> Hackman238: python-ldap installed fine (had to install prereq openssl-devel)
[07-Jul-2011 12:24:56] <gloin> chasing down source installs of your recommended versions of LDAP plugins
[07-Jul-2011 12:27:20] <JohnnyNOC> anyone have problems with OS PRocesses on 3.1.0?
[07-Jul-2011 12:27:32] <JohnnyNOC> i've added ntpd as one and have remodeled all my devices but they're not being picked up
[07-Jul-2011 12:28:40] <JohnnyNOC> these damn os processes are always giving me a headache
[07-Jul-2011 12:30:09] <gloin> Hackman238: Win! The only docs change would be something along the lines of "Be sure you only download python-ldap-2.3.13 and not a newer version, lest ye be damned."
[07-Jul-2011 12:30:29] <Hackman238> gloin: Cheers
[07-Jul-2011 12:30:37] <gloin> thanks greatly
[07-Jul-2011 12:30:45] <f00fSteR> hey chan!
[07-Jul-2011 12:30:46] <Hackman238> gloin: NP
[07-Jul-2011 12:30:50] <Hackman238> f00fSteR: Hail!
[07-Jul-2011 12:31:00] <f00fSteR> wazzusa ?
[07-Jul-2011 12:32:34] * gloin added comment on DOC-2510
[07-Jul-2011 12:34:08] <gloin> Hackman238: actually, that page should probably include a RHEL5 section as right now it says "use yum"
[07-Jul-2011 12:38:52] <JohnnyNOC> looks like my problem was the lack of the HRSWRun collector plugin
[07-Jul-2011 13:16:23] <kerick> I'm trying to convert a standalone script from 2.5.2 to 3.1, but the ZenModel import is giving me ImportError: cannot import name DTMLFile. ideas?
[07-Jul-2011 13:18:35] <nyeates> gloin: please feel open to edit the doc if you can
[07-Jul-2011 13:20:09] <gloin> nyeates: uh, completely missed the "Edit" link
[07-Jul-2011 13:31:34] <gloin> nyeates: edit made
[07-Jul-2011 13:39:12] <nyeates> gloin: thx for addin that
[07-Jul-2011 13:53:03] <gloin> no prob
[07-Jul-2011 14:02:57] <Hackman238> *yawn*
[07-Jul-2011 14:04:10] <dhopp> ugh…I have a mysql table with 2 billion rows in it (183 GB on disk), running out of disk space so going to purge old data and optimize table…any guesses as to how long optimize will take?
[07-Jul-2011 14:04:27] <Hackman238> *Hackman238 resumes work after explaining franctional reserve banking and central reserve strategy to coworkers*
[07-Jul-2011 14:04:49] <Hackman238> dhop two minutes...truncate table)name;
[07-Jul-2011 14:04:52] <Hackman238>
[07-Jul-2011 14:05:05] <dhopp> hah…don't think that's an option
[07-Jul-2011 14:05:16] <Hackman238> dhopp: Quite a long time
[07-Jul-2011 14:05:45] <dhopp> yeah that's what I was afraid of
[07-Jul-2011 14:07:57] <Hackman238> Hackman238: I'd suggest transforms to prevent mysql from gorging itself on blue events
[07-Jul-2011 14:08:28] <dhopp> Hackman238: this isn't a zenoss db
[07-Jul-2011 14:09:05] <Hackman238> dhopp: Oh darn.
[07-Jul-2011 14:10:15] <gloin> evil blue events
[07-Jul-2011 14:10:20] <gloin> so many of them are nothing
[07-Jul-2011 14:10:24] <gloin> and so many are not nothing
[07-Jul-2011 14:10:44] <gloin> jmp242: you still around here?
[07-Jul-2011 14:12:48] <gloin> guess not. Anyhow, if I've got a zenpack executing a non-ssh command and it needs to run more than 30 seconds, how do I set the timeout value high enough so that I don't get a "Command timed out" error?
[07-Jul-2011 14:13:17] <gloin> message/59704?tstart=0#59704 for details
[07-Jul-2011 14:13:18] <Simon4> gloin: there's a configuration property from memory - zCommandTImeout or similar
[07-Jul-2011 14:13:37] <Simon4> you can set it on a device, or on the containing device class for a group of devices
[07-Jul-2011 14:13:43] <gloin> Simon4: I tried zCommandCommandTimeout but that's apparently just for ssh commands
[07-Jul-2011 14:13:50] <Simon4> hmm
[07-Jul-2011 14:14:16] <Hackman238> gloin: Be careful...if many devices take a long time it will significantly increase the zencommand cycle time
[07-Jul-2011 14:14:22] <Simon4> not sure then sorry - that's the only timeout I know of for commands
[07-Jul-2011 14:14:43] <gloin> Hackman238: This will only happen on a few Oracle db servers.
[07-Jul-2011 14:14:51] <Hackman238> gloin: Alrighty
[07-Jul-2011 14:15:34] <gloin> which gets back to the question of how to increase the timeout value. Is it set in the zenpack itself somewhere?
[07-Jul-2011 14:26:07] <jmp242> zCommandCommandTimeout is the zProperty
[07-Jul-2011 14:26:14] <jmp242> which ought to work - it has for me . . .
[07-Jul-2011 14:27:34] <gloin> I tried setting that for the device, restarted zenoss even, it still says "timed out in 30 seconds"
[07-Jul-2011 14:29:48] <rmatte> ok, so I added multiple SNMP datapoint with the same OID and Zenoss only uses one of them... anyone know a way around this?
[07-Jul-2011 14:31:23] <rmatte> This is almost what I'm seeing, only it's doing it in the same template: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/6903
[07-Jul-2011 14:34:19] <Hackman238> rmatte: Cant do that
[07-Jul-2011 14:34:32] <Hackman238> rmatte: Don't know why, but I researched the heck out of it
[07-Jul-2011 14:35:20] <rmatte> lame
[07-Jul-2011 14:35:42] <rmatte> I want to have one datasource that's a derive, one that's a gauge, one that's an absolute
[07-Jul-2011 14:35:46] <rmatte> all for the same OID
[07-Jul-2011 14:35:55] <rmatte> but I guess that's a no go, bit of a stupid limitation
[07-Jul-2011 14:36:47] <rmatte> do you know if they've come back with anything from the meeting that they had yesterday yet?
[07-Jul-2011 14:37:38] <gloin> jmp242: I've got zCommandCommandTimeout set to 60.0 and zCommandCycleTime set to 120 for this machine, but still when I enable the test it says "DONE in 30 (or 31) seconds" with "Command timed out"
[07-Jul-2011 14:37:56] <gloin> I know the command takes 40 to 45 seconds to complete
[07-Jul-2011 14:38:05] <rmatte> gloin: the test is not reflective of the value you set, don't rely on the test
[07-Jul-2011 14:38:25] <rmatte> gloin: you're better off doing this as the zenoss user from the command: zencommand run -v10 -d devicename
[07-Jul-2011 14:38:45] <gloin> rmatte: that's how I know how long it takes to run
[07-Jul-2011 14:39:13] <gloin> actually, I go to the libexec directory within the zenpack in question
[07-Jul-2011 14:39:57] <gloin> run basically the same command the test shows
[07-Jul-2011 14:42:08] <rmatte> I'm saying that the test is ALWAYS 30 seconds timeout
[07-Jul-2011 14:42:20] <rmatte> it doesn't depend on the zCommandCommandTimeout value
[07-Jul-2011 14:42:20] <gloin> ah
[07-Jul-2011 14:42:24] <gloin> that's not fair
[07-Jul-2011 14:42:26] <gloin>
[07-Jul-2011 14:42:31] <rmatte> the zencommand daemon itself does use that value
[07-Jul-2011 14:42:44] <rmatte> so do: zencommand run -v10 -d devicename
[07-Jul-2011 14:42:50] <rmatte> and you'll see the commands running for that device
[07-Jul-2011 14:43:14] <rmatte> you'll see if they are still timing out or not
[07-Jul-2011 14:43:23] <gloin> ugh, lots of commands
[07-Jul-2011 14:44:14] <gloin> it did time out though
[07-Jul-2011 14:44:49] <rmatte> then you need to increase the timeout some more
[07-Jul-2011 14:44:57] <rmatte> but I assure you that that's the timeout value that it uses
[07-Jul-2011 14:45:03] <gloin> fair enough
[07-Jul-2011 14:46:00] * gloin runs the command in question a few times with "time" to see what is a good value
[07-Jul-2011 14:46:24] <gloin> actually, the zencommand timeout value is for all zencommands per cycle or per each zencommand?
[07-Jul-2011 14:53:30] <jmp242> I believe it's for each zencommand . . .
[07-Jul-2011 15:02:19] <rmatte> per each command
[07-Jul-2011 15:17:35] <Hackman238> rocket: You about?
[07-Jul-2011 15:18:20] <rocket> I am always about ..
[07-Jul-2011 15:20:49] <Hackman238> rocket:
[07-Jul-2011 15:21:17] <rocket> not necessarily about in here though ..
[07-Jul-2011 15:22:59] <kerick> is there an easy way to fix graphs on machines that are controlling their cpu speed ( why we are doing this...i don't know )?
[07-Jul-2011 15:23:06] <rmatte> eugh, I keep wondering where these ghost integer values are coming from in Zenoss
[07-Jul-2011 15:23:21] <rmatte> the value returned by SNMP is 0 but you end up with 0.00023
[07-Jul-2011 15:23:22] <rmatte> or whatever
[07-Jul-2011 15:23:32] <Hackman238> kerick: What do you mean?
[07-Jul-2011 15:27:21] <kerick> we have some windows servers on vmware that drop their cpu states
[07-Jul-2011 15:27:59] <kerick> zenoss seems to pickup the percentage correctly, but changes the graph to reflect the current speed
[07-Jul-2011 15:28:04] <rocket> rmatte: is that value from rrd or from the logs?
[07-Jul-2011 15:28:06] <rmatte> kerick: does that actually make a difference to the OS? I didn't think it did
[07-Jul-2011 15:28:10] <kerick> rrd
[07-Jul-2011 15:28:18] <kerick> ...oh, sorry
[07-Jul-2011 15:28:21] <rmatte> rocket: that's what is showing up in the graph
[07-Jul-2011 15:28:22] <rocket> rmatte: because rrd interpolates the data
[07-Jul-2011 15:28:38] <rmatte> rocket: yet when I do zenperfsnmp run or snmpwalk directly on the OID the value is 31
[07-Jul-2011 15:28:43] <rocket> eg if you enter data between steps it attempts to guess the value it should be
[07-Jul-2011 15:28:51] <rmatte> ah, lameness
[07-Jul-2011 15:29:00] <rocket> thats an rrdism
[07-Jul-2011 15:29:01] <kerick> rmatte: the OS doesn't really care, but zenoss seems to change the maximum of the graph to the current speed.
[07-Jul-2011 15:29:03] <rmatte> well, I should also mention that it's a derive
[07-Jul-2011 15:29:04] <rocket> cant turn it off
[07-Jul-2011 15:29:15] <rmatte> but if it sees 30 one cyle and 31 the next you'd think you'd end up with 1
[07-Jul-2011 15:29:25] <rmatte> not with 1.00074
[07-Jul-2011 15:29:32] <rocket> its a trend line
[07-Jul-2011 15:29:40] <rmatte> lame
[07-Jul-2011 15:29:45] <rocket> it thinks its going up via the calculated trend line
[07-Jul-2011 15:30:26] <rmatte> the other thing I can't understand is this queue that I'm monitoring, when it goes up by 1 or 2 the derive doesn't reflect the change
[07-Jul-2011 15:30:38] <rmatte> I just end up with a larger 0 integer
[07-Jul-2011 15:38:54] <gloin> larger 0 integer...
[07-Jul-2011 15:39:09] <rmatte> as in 0.00023 then 0.00064
[07-Jul-2011 15:39:44] <rocket> rmatte its the rate of change between the old value and the new value at the step
[07-Jul-2011 15:40:02] <rmatte> so it's not the literal change between them?
[07-Jul-2011 15:40:08] <rocket> no
[07-Jul-2011 15:40:17] <rmatte> what would calculate the literal change?
[07-Jul-2011 15:40:20] <rmatte> absolute?
[07-Jul-2011 15:40:43] <rocket> GAUGE
[07-Jul-2011 15:41:02] <rocket> derive and absolute are rate of change and units are X/sec
[07-Jul-2011 15:41:14] <rocket> eg used in networking graphs
[07-Jul-2011 15:41:21] <rocket> bits/s etc
[07-Jul-2011 15:41:22] <rmatte> oh, I get what you mean
[07-Jul-2011 15:41:48] <rocket> GAUGE stores the value itself
[07-Jul-2011 15:42:07] <rmatte> right, but what I want is the exact difference between cycles
[07-Jul-2011 15:42:31] <rmatte> instead of it graphing that I have 181 emails queued, I want to see that the queue has gone up or down by a certain amount since the last collection
[07-Jul-2011 15:42:38] <rmatte> (not over time)
[07-Jul-2011 15:42:45] <rmatte> there must be some way to do that
[07-Jul-2011 15:44:18] <rmatte> actually hmmm, since it's over time I wonder if I can just use an RPN and multiply by 300 to accomplish that
[07-Jul-2011 15:44:31] <rocket> probably
[07-Jul-2011 15:44:36] <rmatte> I'll give it a go
[07-Jul-2011 15:44:47] <rmatte> thanks for the explanation, I wasn't thinking about it properly
[07-Jul-2011 15:45:09] <rmatte> aha
[07-Jul-2011 15:45:10] <rmatte> that did it
[07-Jul-2011 15:45:15] <rocket> no problem ..
[07-Jul-2011 15:45:17] <rmatte> sweet deal, thanks
[07-Jul-2011 16:21:10] <rmatte> nice, RPN expressions actually get applied to associated threshold lines
[07-Jul-2011 16:21:40] <rmatte> so I can make the threshold something like 1.0 / 300 and the line shows up where it should according to the RPN that I placed on the graph point
[07-Jul-2011 17:47:19] <kerick> so is zendmd being deprecated in favor of scripting over REST/XMLRPC?
[07-Jul-2011 18:02:52] <rmatte> kerick: zendmd is never going to be "deprecated"
[07-Jul-2011 18:02:57] <rmatte> It's a console for Zenoss
[07-Jul-2011 18:03:11] <rmatte> but it's not meant to replace APIs such as REST/XMLRPC and JSON
[07-Jul-2011 18:07:20] <kerick> ah, k
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[08-Jul-2011 08:46:00] <rmatte> good morning
[08-Jul-2011 08:46:53] <Hackman238> Hey all
[08-Jul-2011 08:47:28] <rmatte> hey
[08-Jul-2011 08:47:52] <Hackman238> rmatte: How goes it?
[08-Jul-2011 08:48:03] <rmatte> good thanks, yourself?
[08-Jul-2011 08:48:27] <rmatte> I'm working on developing a BES monitoring pack, so far so good
[08-Jul-2011 08:49:04] <Hackman238> rmatte: Pretty good.
[08-Jul-2011 08:49:09] <Hackman238> rmatte: Whats BES?
[08-Jul-2011 08:49:20] <rmatte> blackberry enterprise server
[08-Jul-2011 08:49:33] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ah- good one
[08-Jul-2011 08:49:40] <Hackman238> rmatte: Havent seen a pack for that
[08-Jul-2011 08:49:48] <rmatte> yeh, I'm surprised that there hasn't been one
[08-Jul-2011 08:50:02] <rmatte> RIM are awesome, they dropped their WMI support recently but they have full SNMP support
[08-Jul-2011 08:50:09] <rmatte> and it works through the standard windows snmp agent
[08-Jul-2011 08:50:41] <rmatte> If Zenoss didn't have that limitation on using the same OID multiple times I'd be done by now, but I'm having to write a script to collect the data instead
[08-Jul-2011 08:51:59] <Hackman238> rmatte: Gotcha.
[08-Jul-2011 08:52:44] <Hackman238> rmatte: If you're going to script any significant number of snmpgets, try to use twisted to thread connections
[08-Jul-2011 08:53:04] <rmatte> well, it's not really going to be that many, just 2 or 3
[08-Jul-2011 08:53:31] <rmatte> plus BES servers are few and far between, I'll only have a few on each Zenoss instance
[08-Jul-2011 08:53:36] <rmatte> so it's not as big a deal
[08-Jul-2011 08:54:32] <Hackman238> rmatte: ah gotcha
[08-Jul-2011 09:02:29] <rocket> Hackman238: how goes the upgrade war?
[08-Jul-2011 09:05:40] <Hackman238> rocket: It goes well.
[08-Jul-2011 09:05:52] <Hackman238> rocket: How's by you?
[08-Jul-2011 09:06:12] <rocket> decent ..
[08-Jul-2011 09:06:23] <Simon4> afternoon all
[08-Jul-2011 09:06:28] <rocket> was going really well until I realized I could not rsync centos 5.5 ..
[08-Jul-2011 09:06:44] <rocket> I have to download the iso and load that into my cobbler instance ..
[08-Jul-2011 09:06:45] <rocket> grr
[08-Jul-2011 09:07:20] <Hackman238> lol
[08-Jul-2011 09:07:39] <Hackman238> Im still trying to figure this .browser in zcml
[08-Jul-2011 09:08:19] <rocket> pastebin it and I will see if a dev is around
[08-Jul-2011 09:18:28] <Hackman238> rocket: pm'd you
[08-Jul-2011 09:18:49] <rocket> got it .. asked with no answer yet .. its early yet it appears
[08-Jul-2011 09:19:10] <rmatte> yes it is lol
[08-Jul-2011 09:19:18] <Hackman238> rocket: Aye, it is early
[08-Jul-2011 09:19:43] <Hackman238> rocket: ...only just finishing my breakfast tacos
[08-Jul-2011 09:20:39] <Hackman238> Hate the Texas heat...but San Antonio has the best damn food of anywhere I've ever been
[08-Jul-2011 09:20:52] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 09:22:11] <rmatte> I wish there was a place around here that delivered breakfast
[08-Jul-2011 09:22:34] <Hackman238> rmatte: ...and this place just across the street run by mexicans is great too. I've never had such delicious breakfast foods.
[08-Jul-2011 09:22:45] <Hackman238> 3 tacos for $2.75!
[08-Jul-2011 09:22:50] <rmatte> that's a steal
[08-Jul-2011 09:23:01] <rmatte> food is so damn expensive here it's ridiculous
[08-Jul-2011 09:23:05] <jmp242> lucky you Hackman238
[08-Jul-2011 09:23:13] <jmp242> I'm happy when I get Dunkin Donoughts
[08-Jul-2011 09:23:30] <rmatte> I'm happy when I get breakfast at all
[08-Jul-2011 09:23:31] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 09:23:32] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yeah, real tacos too. Not crappy Jack in the box $0.50 tacos or #3 inducing taco bell.
[08-Jul-2011 09:23:34] * rocket notes my wifes garden is growing quite nicely .. no drought here ..
[08-Jul-2011 09:23:48] <rmatte> hehe
[08-Jul-2011 09:23:55] <Hackman238> jmp242: Miss DnD...they dont have them here. No Stewarts either.
[08-Jul-2011 09:24:17] <jmp242> I just like the Big and Toasty
[08-Jul-2011 09:24:29] <rmatte> we have tim horton's up here which is better than DnD
[08-Jul-2011 09:24:30] <jmp242> as a diversion from my usual Burger King english muffins
[08-Jul-2011 09:24:44] <jmp242> Ehh, where's the Krispy Kreme?
[08-Jul-2011 09:24:56] <jmp242> that's the dounought
[08-Jul-2011 09:25:03] <jmp242> but for sandwidches not so much
[08-Jul-2011 09:25:22] <rmatte> I like subway for sandwiches personally
[08-Jul-2011 09:25:29] <jmp242> grr, all the words I spell so poorly the spellcheck thinks I meant dreadnoughts lol
[08-Jul-2011 09:25:38] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 09:26:11] <rmatte> my iphone auto-correct genworth to gonorrhea a few days ago
[08-Jul-2011 09:26:12] <Hackman238> jmp242: LOL!
[08-Jul-2011 09:26:17] <rmatte> auto-corrected*
[08-Jul-2011 09:26:23] <Hackman238> rmatte: Wow
[08-Jul-2011 09:26:31] <jmp242> there's a website
[08-Jul-2011 09:26:36] <rmatte> yeh I've seen it
[08-Jul-2011 09:26:37] <jmp242> about hilarious autospells
[08-Jul-2011 09:26:42] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 09:26:43] <Hackman238> rocket: Nice! We havent even grass here. LOL
[08-Jul-2011 09:27:09] <rocket> home grown sweet corn .. over knee high already
[08-Jul-2011 09:27:20] <rocket> free sugar snap peas .. yum ...
[08-Jul-2011 09:27:38] <rmatte> rocket: nice
[08-Jul-2011 09:28:01] <Hackman238> rocket: Bah! Too healthy.
[08-Jul-2011 09:28:29] <Hackman238> rocket: I eat like 5500-6500 calories a day and can bearly keep my weight high as 130lb
[08-Jul-2011 09:28:49] <jmp242> I hate you Hamzah
[08-Jul-2011 09:28:50] <jmp242> err
[08-Jul-2011 09:28:53] <jmp242> autocorrect
[08-Jul-2011 09:28:55] <rmatte> Hackman238: lucky you lol
[08-Jul-2011 09:28:56] <jmp242> Hackman238:
[08-Jul-2011 09:29:20] <Hackman238> jmp242: LOL
[08-Jul-2011 09:29:23] <fragfutter> Hackman238: want to switch?
[08-Jul-2011 09:29:24] <jmp242> I don't think I've been 130 since I was 12
[08-Jul-2011 09:29:33] <Hackman238> jmp242: Hyperthyroidism
[08-Jul-2011 09:29:42] <jmp242> Can you sell that to people?
[08-Jul-2011 09:29:48] <jmp242> cause that would make someone a fortune
[08-Jul-2011 09:29:49] <Hackman238> jmp242: Plus stress, rage and work.
[08-Jul-2011 09:30:00] <Hackman238> jmp242: All results in high need for energy. LOL
[08-Jul-2011 09:30:13] <rmatte> Hackman238: ah, my mom used to have that, then they had to kill her thyroid (using radiation) and now she can excercise like hell and not drop any weight.
[08-Jul-2011 09:30:19] <jmp242> Last time I lost weight, I was sedated for a week and not provided food
[08-Jul-2011 09:30:33] <Hackman238> jmp242: Oh my. LOL
[08-Jul-2011 09:30:39] <Hackman238> rmatte: Sorry to hear that
[08-Jul-2011 09:30:54] <jmp242> I think I lost 30 pounds
[08-Jul-2011 09:31:01] <rmatte> jmp242: sedated for medical reasons I hope lol
[08-Jul-2011 09:31:04] <jmp242> yea
[08-Jul-2011 09:31:07] <jmp242> back surgery
[08-Jul-2011 09:31:10] <rmatte> ah
[08-Jul-2011 09:31:23] <Hackman238> rmatte: I preffer to just live with the problem, could always be worse. Last time I had a doctor messing with my insides my chronic problems worsened 10 fold.
[08-Jul-2011 09:31:35] <Hackman238> jmp242: Back better?
[08-Jul-2011 09:31:43] <jmp242> Yea
[08-Jul-2011 09:31:48] <jmp242> fixed me right up
[08-Jul-2011 09:31:49] <rmatte> Hackman238: well, in her case they didn't have a choice, it was becoming dangerous to just leave it alone
[08-Jul-2011 09:31:50] <Hackman238> jmp242: Good to hear.
[08-Jul-2011 09:32:06] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yeah, thats what they keep telling me.
[08-Jul-2011 09:32:25] <Hackman238> rmatte: I tell them to stick it. I wont go to the hospital for that crazyness unless I'm dying.
[08-Jul-2011 09:32:42] <rmatte> Hackman238: it was funny, after the procedure she was radioactive... and decided to go to the U.S to shop... set off radiation alarms when she drove up lol
[08-Jul-2011 09:32:52] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL!
[08-Jul-2011 09:33:21] <Hackman238> rmatte: "Mam, I couldnt help but notice you set off the hazmat alram....could we speak to you in the back?"
[08-Jul-2011 09:33:31] <rmatte> yeh, pretty much
[08-Jul-2011 09:33:34] <rocket> heh I have to loose some weight.. but considering I have no chronic problems I am not going to complain ..
[08-Jul-2011 09:33:51] <jmp242> Yea I recently got diagnosed with high blood pressure
[08-Jul-2011 09:33:52] <rmatte> my extra weight is from beer consumption
[08-Jul-2011 09:34:07] <jmp242> of course I should lose weight, but it's like the one area I have no self control . . .
[08-Jul-2011 09:34:09] <Hackman238> rocket: Complaining about that which is not controlled by others has no result.
[08-Jul-2011 09:34:51] <rocket> mine is from too many years of MtnDew.. but it was the only thing that controlled the headaches I could stand ..
[08-Jul-2011 09:35:08] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 09:35:43] <Hackman238> I figure the best anyone can ever do is contribute to society and ones family. If one has something which will ultimately cause their death, they might as well accept it where said condition is untreatable or treatment dimishes life quality.
[08-Jul-2011 09:35:59] <rmatte> yup
[08-Jul-2011 09:36:03] <Hackman238> rocket: Mmm...MntDew hard to pass up
[08-Jul-2011 09:36:39] <Hackman238> in other words...you'll all almost certainly out live me
[08-Jul-2011 09:36:42] <rocket> that + working for a food company .. free food all the time ..
[08-Jul-2011 09:36:51] <Hackman238> rocket:
[08-Jul-2011 09:37:31] <rmatte> all this talk about food makes me want to walk down the street and grab breakfast lol
[08-Jul-2011 09:37:45] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL
[08-Jul-2011 09:38:50] * fragfutter needs to think what he wants for dinner
[08-Jul-2011 09:38:54] <rmatte> air mail me some breakfast tacos
[08-Jul-2011 09:40:25] <rmatte> there's a business idea: "air drop breakfasts, you won't even see them coming!"
[08-Jul-2011 09:40:34] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL
[08-Jul-2011 09:40:50] <rmatte> "WTF?" *bam*
[08-Jul-2011 09:41:18] <fragfutter> also takes care of the weight problem. if portion get to big they will knock you out
[08-Jul-2011 09:41:26] <Hackman238> fragfutter: I'm full of tacos and a gallon of coffee....just sorta sitting here as the sodium and caffine soak in to my blood.
[08-Jul-2011 09:41:34] <Hackman238> fragfutter: LOL!
[08-Jul-2011 09:41:34] <rmatte> fragfutter: lol, exactly
[08-Jul-2011 09:42:12] <rmatte> Hackman238: I'm starving and sort of still drunk from last night, this music festival is going to kill me but it's worth it
[08-Jul-2011 09:43:17] <Hackman238> rmatte: Wow
[08-Jul-2011 09:44:23] <rmatte> tonight I'm going to see Cage the Elephant, Rise Against, and The Black Keys
[08-Jul-2011 09:44:54] <rmatte> I saw Infected Mushroom and Steve Miller Band yesterday
[08-Jul-2011 09:45:41] <rmatte> Saturday I'm going to see The Tragically Hip
[08-Jul-2011 09:46:33] <rmatte> Sunday I'm going to see Dropkick Murphys, Peter Frampton, and A Perfect Circle
[08-Jul-2011 09:46:41] <rmatte> will be a good weekend
[08-Jul-2011 09:47:47] <tsener> niice
[08-Jul-2011 09:47:53] <tsener> where is that again ?
[08-Jul-2011 09:47:54] <Hackman238> rmatte: I looked in to Perfect Circle
[08-Jul-2011 09:48:25] <Hackman238> rmatte: But I could find the type of energetic beat I'm attrackted to.
[08-Jul-2011 09:48:34] <Hackman238> *attracted
[08-Jul-2011 09:50:13] <rmatte> you might like Tool better
[08-Jul-2011 09:50:17] <rmatte> APC is more mellow
[08-Jul-2011 09:50:33] <rmatte> Tool is the singer from APC's main band
[08-Jul-2011 09:51:35] <rmatte> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3R4zkblHZk
[08-Jul-2011 09:52:03] <Hackman238> rmatte: Sterbild - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkqBnKvdHuQ
[08-Jul-2011 09:52:09] <Hackman238> rmatte: Very powerful song
[08-Jul-2011 09:52:55] <Jane_Curry> Hi Guys
[08-Jul-2011 09:52:59] <rmatte> hello
[08-Jul-2011 09:53:06] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Hail
[08-Jul-2011 09:53:08] <rmatte> Hackman238: good tune
[08-Jul-2011 09:53:19] <fragfutter> i just wrote documentation, on proof-reading the page i discovered that i switched language (german to english) somewhere in the middle. I didn't notice. i need to write the second part again...
[08-Jul-2011 09:53:31] <rmatte> fragfutter: haha
[08-Jul-2011 09:53:48] <Jane_Curry> Anyone have a favourite answer for a package to export Zenoss perf data to to provide trend analysis tools???
[08-Jul-2011 09:53:53] <Hackman238> fragfutter: LOL
[08-Jul-2011 09:54:20] <rmatte> Jane_Curry: no, but if you find something that works well let me know
[08-Jul-2011 09:54:37] <Jane_Curry> Thanks Pal!
[08-Jul-2011 09:54:47] <rmatte> Jane_Curry: I'd imagine something built around crystal reports could work well
[08-Jul-2011 09:55:01] <rmatte> but in terms of exporting the actual data in to it, not sure what the best method would be
[08-Jul-2011 09:55:07] <rmatte> or sorry, not crystal
[08-Jul-2011 09:55:09] <rmatte> I meant jasper
[08-Jul-2011 09:55:18] <Jane_Curry> Yeh - but Crystal is expensive. Mebbe something BIRT-based?
[08-Jul-2011 09:55:30] <rmatte> nah, I meant to say jasper reporting
[08-Jul-2011 09:56:05] <rmatte> http://jasperforge.org/projects/jasperreports
[08-Jul-2011 09:56:31] <rmatte> http://jasperforge.org/projects/jasperserver
[08-Jul-2011 09:56:37] <rocket> rmatte: the new reports system in enterprise is using jasper
[08-Jul-2011 09:56:47] <rmatte> rocket: yeh, but it's highly modified
[08-Jul-2011 09:56:58] <rmatte> from what I've seen
[08-Jul-2011 09:57:31] <rocket> yes it is, and we have communication to the remote collectors to get the rrds ...
[08-Jul-2011 09:57:36] <rmatte> It would be awesome to have a community tutorial on integrating plain jane jasper with core
[08-Jul-2011 09:57:50] <Hackman238> rmatte: Add it to the to do heap
[08-Jul-2011 09:57:53] <Hackman238>
[08-Jul-2011 09:58:11] <Hackman238> Hum...
[08-Jul-2011 09:58:16] <rmatte> Yeh, if I actually had the time to look in to this stuff I would... I used to have time back in the day before I took over from my old boss
[08-Jul-2011 09:58:34] <Hackman238> I wonder....maybe we could structure some of the community work
[08-Jul-2011 09:58:47] <rmatte> so far on my to-do list... upgrading OTRS, upgrading 15 Zenoss servers, moving from ziptie to rancid
[08-Jul-2011 09:58:54] <rmatte> among other things
[08-Jul-2011 09:59:14] <rmatte> Hackman238: that's a thought for sure
[08-Jul-2011 09:59:17] <Hackman238> Frankly I have so many Core customers it would make sense for me to subsidize the work.
[08-Jul-2011 09:59:23] <rmatte> start up sort of a zenossforge site
[08-Jul-2011 10:00:10] <Hackman238> What does everyone think about Core projects where useful contribution up to preset milestones pays the contributer
[08-Jul-2011 10:00:15] <Hackman238> ?
[08-Jul-2011 10:00:30] <rmatte> that would be good
[08-Jul-2011 10:00:30] <Jane_Curry> Me Tarzan - you plain Jane
[08-Jul-2011 10:00:35] <rmatte> hehe
[08-Jul-2011 10:01:09] <jmp242> Does rancid do HP procurves . . .?
[08-Jul-2011 10:01:11] <klone> rmatte - you're a ziptie user?
[08-Jul-2011 10:01:20] <Hackman238> ...I mean I have thousands of dollars of money to do this a month. The main problem would be ultimiately creating a board to direct the projects and set milestone criteria.
[08-Jul-2011 10:01:21] <jmp242> hey Hackman238 I wanted to do something like that a while ago
[08-Jul-2011 10:01:34] <jmp242> but never got any community or Zenoss traction
[08-Jul-2011 10:01:38] <Jane_Curry> Hackman238: like the idea
[08-Jul-2011 10:01:54] <fragfutter> jmp242: build around expect, so yes
[08-Jul-2011 10:01:58] <Hackman238> jmp242: Hum...thats disappointing
[08-Jul-2011 10:02:05] <Jane_Curry> Customers don't want to pay for work that then gets donated free to the community
[08-Jul-2011 10:02:25] <rmatte> hmmm, interesting project: http://networkedhelpdesk.org/
[08-Jul-2011 10:02:30] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Customers dont pay for donated work, they pay for implementation expertise
[08-Jul-2011 10:02:42] <Jane_Curry> So far, I've largely managed to persuade customers that it is "goodness" and I split the development cost with them
[08-Jul-2011 10:02:47] <jmp242> Yea, I can't see a problem with paying to get something done
[08-Jul-2011 10:02:49] <rmatte> might be something for Zenoss to affiliate itself with
[08-Jul-2011 10:03:01] <jmp242> but I'd certainly want it in upstream
[08-Jul-2011 10:03:02] <jmp242> myself
[08-Jul-2011 10:03:25] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: I dont follow
[08-Jul-2011 10:03:51] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Oh, goodness == "for the better of all"
[08-Jul-2011 10:04:02] <jmp242> rmatte: can't really figure out what that site is supposed to do
[08-Jul-2011 10:05:16] <Hackman238> I gather you all think that such an effort wouldnt do well.
[08-Jul-2011 10:05:34] <jmp242> Umm, I don't kniow
[08-Jul-2011 10:05:45] <jmp242> if there were two or three funding parties it might look useful
[08-Jul-2011 10:05:52] <jmp242> and attract more people
[08-Jul-2011 10:06:09] <Hackman238> I have two for sure
[08-Jul-2011 10:06:12] <jmp242> right now, I'm not sure anyone wants to take the leap - especially in dealing with the collection and distribution of money
[08-Jul-2011 10:06:27] <Jane_Curry> If you are creating something new - like the userRoles stuff I've been doing recently, then I don't feel I can charge the customer all the time it takes digging around in Zenoss
[08-Jul-2011 10:06:44] <jmp242> Jane_Curry: you are so nice. I think you could.
[08-Jul-2011 10:07:00] <Simon4> Jane_Curry: or sell it to 100 core users at £x each to recoup the cost
[08-Jul-2011 10:07:00] <Jane_Curry> especially as I dig slowly in the murky depths of Zenoss....
[08-Jul-2011 10:07:06] <Simon4> zenpack store anyone?
[08-Jul-2011 10:07:25] <jmp242> yea
[08-Jul-2011 10:07:25] <Simon4> everyone else seems to ahve their version of an "appstore"
[08-Jul-2011 10:07:34] <Hackman238> Simon4: You'd be surprised how many packs I've sold in that manner LOL
[08-Jul-2011 10:07:37] <jmp242> Either pledges
[08-Jul-2011 10:07:47] <jmp242> or pay for it till the cost is recouped and then GPLit
[08-Jul-2011 10:07:52] <Jane_Curry> but what happened to the idea of "open source community"???
[08-Jul-2011 10:08:09] <jmp242> there's a OSS windows deployment inventory etc project OSTI or something that works like that
[08-Jul-2011 10:08:20] <Jane_Curry> As Hackman238 says - customers should be buying implementation expertise, not "free" ZenPacks
[08-Jul-2011 10:09:27] <jmp242> Well, I suppose it depends - it's the same issue we argued with with Zenoss Inc too - We're willing to pay for functionality, but rarely need implemention help in terms of installing or configuring the Zenpack - unless you're talking about paying for the dev
[08-Jul-2011 10:09:35] <jmp242> but then it's the same problem
[08-Jul-2011 10:09:45] <jmp242> you might need $5k or more to fund the dev work
[08-Jul-2011 10:10:06] <jmp242> but there may be no entity that that dev work is worth $5k to, so it doesn't get done
[08-Jul-2011 10:10:19] <jmp242> but there may be 50 entities that feel it's worth $500
[08-Jul-2011 10:10:33] <Sam-I-Am> sup folks
[08-Jul-2011 10:10:37] <Hackman238> ultimately what I'm thinking would be having the community 1) decide what Core needs to achieve to remain the dominate competitor to Zenoss enterprise 2) build projects around those goals and set milestones and 3) milestones met pay us back with a better product and subsidized prizes for accomplishment
[08-Jul-2011 10:10:48] <Sam-I-Am> finally have some internets at the new place
[08-Jul-2011 10:11:01] <jmp242> so if they could get together, somehow (via pledges or pay till funded) they could get the work done
[08-Jul-2011 10:11:06] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Hey there
[08-Jul-2011 10:11:11] <Sam-I-Am> yo
[08-Jul-2011 10:11:18] <Jane_Curry> jmp242: exactly - the dev work costs me; most people are self-sufficient on implementation. How to fund the dev work??
[08-Jul-2011 10:11:34] <Jane_Curry> Not everyone is a senlightened as you!
[08-Jul-2011 10:11:58] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: To who do you refer?
[08-Jul-2011 10:12:04] <jmp242> Yea, if I could get the budget, I'd like to get some more stuff done on Zenoss
[08-Jul-2011 10:12:08] <Jane_Curry> jmp242
[08-Jul-2011 10:12:10] <jmp242> but I think it's hard
[08-Jul-2011 10:12:31] <Hackman238> jmp242: Not at all.
[08-Jul-2011 10:12:34] <jmp242> Like the MIB Browser zenpack - would help making Zenoss the place to go
[08-Jul-2011 10:12:42] <jmp242> for setting up the OIDs etc
[08-Jul-2011 10:12:45] <jmp242> for templates
[08-Jul-2011 10:12:49] <Hackman238> I make more money on my Core accounts than I do working full time for Rackspace.
[08-Jul-2011 10:13:06] <Hackman238> It only makes sense to promote the power and growth of Core.
[08-Jul-2011 10:13:06] <jmp242> Wow
[08-Jul-2011 10:13:07] <Jane_Curry> You do know that I have updated the MIB Browser ZenPack to 3.x???
[08-Jul-2011 10:13:18] <jmp242> Oh, well, I didn't lol
[08-Jul-2011 10:13:32] <jmp242> We need something better or more automated than the Zenpacks page
[08-Jul-2011 10:13:37] <jmp242> I swear that never gets updated
[08-Jul-2011 10:13:57] <jmp242> Like if it was a Wiki I could update
[08-Jul-2011 10:14:00] <Jane_Curry> Nick has been a bit slow publishing some of my recent ZenPacks - there's a whole bunch of them
[08-Jul-2011 10:14:05] <jmp242> I could do what I do for the FAQs
[08-Jul-2011 10:14:11] <Hackman238> Most companies are willing to contribute to OSS development. I know for a fact I could contribute and I know Rackspace would be happy to help back such community efforts
[08-Jul-2011 10:14:54] <jmp242> I am pretty sure I could get some funding from the lab, but it'd have to be small amounts to get past all the legal crap
[08-Jul-2011 10:15:11] <jmp242> It was a special deal to get a well defined consultant hired for a small task
[08-Jul-2011 10:15:13] <Jane_Curry> Hackman238: this interests me. Are there really lots of big companies that would contribute employee time or financially, to OSS
[08-Jul-2011 10:15:40] <Hackman238> The bigest hurdle is organization and community support to grow the idea.
[08-Jul-2011 10:15:47] <jmp242> I've been trying to figure out how to contribute back to OSS projects
[08-Jul-2011 10:15:55] <jmp242> but donations are hard to get past financial
[08-Jul-2011 10:16:00] <Hackman238> Money is never a problem with such small operations.
[08-Jul-2011 10:16:58] <Hackman238> Monthly overhead costs for my storefronts alone are ten times the cost of subsidizing this whole project.
[08-Jul-2011 10:17:49] <Hackman238> Okay manybe not 10 times, like 5 for sure.
[08-Jul-2011 10:17:53] <Hackman238>
[08-Jul-2011 10:18:19] <jmp242> Ok, so what to we need to do to get this done?
[08-Jul-2011 10:19:33] <Hackman238> We need a board agreed as the primary decision makers for the effort by the community
[08-Jul-2011 10:19:55] <jmp242> Well, what about the zenmasters as a starting point?
[08-Jul-2011 10:19:55] <Jane_Curry> A prioritised list of requirements
[08-Jul-2011 10:20:18] <Hackman238> Next we need to identify key goals- what does Core most need to make it competative against Enterprise.
[08-Jul-2011 10:20:19] <jmp242> Post to the forum? Survey Monkey for voting?
[08-Jul-2011 10:20:38] <Jane_Curry> Poll the community - as Matt Ray did back in the days when the community was asked what they wanted to see developed
[08-Jul-2011 10:21:21] <jmp242> I'd like to consider setting up a survey though so we can get easier tallies?
[08-Jul-2011 10:21:28] <jmp242> I mean, post to the Users group and IRC
[08-Jul-2011 10:21:42] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: This is important, yes, but we need to validate and organize needs as best suited for the product to maximize support
[08-Jul-2011 10:22:15] <Hackman238> jmp242: Yep
[08-Jul-2011 10:22:20] <Jane_Curry> Yep
[08-Jul-2011 10:22:39] <jmp242> So we need a website? And a survey product?
[08-Jul-2011 10:22:59] <jmp242> and a post to the community? I think we might be OK with the people pushing this being the initial "Board" anyway
[08-Jul-2011 10:23:13] <jmp242> or it'll never get started
[08-Jul-2011 10:23:15] <Hackman238> jmp242: Correct.
[08-Jul-2011 10:24:02] <Hackman238> We'll also need to see if we can get other major contributers onboard- bigegor is a huge asset
[08-Jul-2011 10:24:06] <jmp242> So if we're not too picky, let me check around here to see if I can get us access to a Wiki area and a survey product, unless someone else has a better thing.
[08-Jul-2011 10:24:35] <jmp242> I might be able to hijack some space on our servers for community outreach or some bull$hit reason
[08-Jul-2011 10:24:48] <Hackman238> jmp242: I dont off hand, however, I'm happy to subsidize costs of the site at a thirdparty.
[08-Jul-2011 10:25:07] <jmp242> Well, my boss's boss keeps saying he wants to support the OSS projects we use
[08-Jul-2011 10:25:14] <jmp242> this is an easy way for little $$
[08-Jul-2011 10:25:26] <jmp242> I.e. the infrastructure is there, if people are ok with the URL ending in lepp.cornell.edu lol
[08-Jul-2011 10:25:36] <Hackman238> jmp242: See what you can do. If thats possible, that's a contribution to the project that bypasses sponsership with cash funds.
[08-Jul-2011 10:25:56] <jmp242> brb'
[08-Jul-2011 10:26:01] <Hackman238> jmp242: Alrighty
[08-Jul-2011 10:27:36] <Hackman238> I'm sure everyone in the community would agree its in the best interest for all of us to build the product to keep our crippling domination over Enterprise.
[08-Jul-2011 10:28:14] <rmatte> I don't know if I'd say crippling domination lol
[08-Jul-2011 10:28:30] <Hackman238> rmatte: You'd be suprised
[08-Jul-2011 10:29:02] <rmatte> I still believe that at the end of the day people are basically just paying for the support
[08-Jul-2011 10:29:27] <rmatte> which is how most OSS projects work
[08-Jul-2011 10:29:54] <Hackman238> rmatte: Agreed, which is why Core hurts Enterprise so badly. Most of the feature functionality has or can be duplicated.
[08-Jul-2011 10:30:04] <rmatte> yeh
[08-Jul-2011 10:30:23] <jmp242> Most people pay for support with any product
[08-Jul-2011 10:30:31] <jmp242> At least we generally do
[08-Jul-2011 10:30:42] <rmatte> honestly, I wouldn't mind a fork of Core at this point, it would give us control to implement the stuff that we've been asking for for ages
[08-Jul-2011 10:31:18] <jmp242> ehh, I don't know that I want to go that far
[08-Jul-2011 10:31:27] <fragfutter> i sense a disturbence in the force
[08-Jul-2011 10:31:30] <jmp242> Zenoss does (well up till now has) put a lot of resources into core
[08-Jul-2011 10:31:40] <Hackman238> rmatte: The idea is for us to take control of Core without forking.
[08-Jul-2011 10:31:47] <jmp242> compared to many OSS projects I've seen anyway
[08-Jul-2011 10:31:56] <Hackman238> rmatte: Fork is declaration of war. Not a good idea
[08-Jul-2011 10:32:12] <fragfutter> nagios vs incingia anyone?
[08-Jul-2011 10:32:18] <rmatte> jmp242: I understand that, my problem is when they ask the community what is lacking, the community responds that the reporting and device dependencies are the most lacking features...
[08-Jul-2011 10:32:30] <rmatte> then suddenly they have new systems to handle both, and neither are available to core users
[08-Jul-2011 10:32:40] <rmatte> why bother making suggestions?
[08-Jul-2011 10:32:43] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 10:32:53] <Hackman238> rmatte: So why doesnt the community rise up and smite Zenoss with superior features?
[08-Jul-2011 10:33:33] <rmatte> Hackman238: the community doesn't exactly have free access to make official updates to the Zenoss codebase
[08-Jul-2011 10:33:53] <Hackman238> rmatte: Do we need it?
[08-Jul-2011 10:34:03] <jmp242> Don't the Zenpacks let us alter much of it?
[08-Jul-2011 10:34:18] <rmatte> Yes, there are some enterprise features that we would need to build hooks for
[08-Jul-2011 10:34:22] <Hackman238> rmatte: Not at all. Its painfully simple to release patches for Core products to impliment our features
[08-Jul-2011 10:34:25] <Jane_Curry> jmp242: if you have difficulty providing a wiki, we could do it
[08-Jul-2011 10:34:27] <fragfutter> has any zenpack or modification created inside the community made it back into official core?
[08-Jul-2011 10:34:30] <rmatte> and right now the only way would be monkeypatching via zenpacks, which is horrendous
[08-Jul-2011 10:34:36] <jmp242> I have to wait for my boss's boss to get out of a meeting
[08-Jul-2011 10:34:44] <Hackman238> fragfutter: Many
[08-Jul-2011 10:35:12] <Hackman238> rmatte: Not at all. Who says our base package must be a zenpack?
[08-Jul-2011 10:36:13] <Jane_Curry> horrendous - but possible
[08-Jul-2011 10:36:14] <Hackman238> rmatte: We could even include our package in a zenpack which contains our patches which issues os.system calls to perform patching.
[08-Jul-2011 10:36:21] <jmp242> I also think I can use the Qualtrics web survey tool Cornell has - if I bull$hit a little
[08-Jul-2011 10:36:32] <rmatte> Hackman238: I think my main issue is that when you have a development team you need to be coordinated... if I'm working a week on coding something what is to say that someone over at Zenoss doesn't code something that breaks that during that time?
[08-Jul-2011 10:36:38] <jmp242> though the problem is probably only Cornell staff /students can create the surveys
[08-Jul-2011 10:36:41] <rmatte> and then at that point, their code obviously takes priority over mine
[08-Jul-2011 10:36:52] <rmatte> we would need a way to have proper collaboration
[08-Jul-2011 10:37:04] <Hackman238> rmatte: Possibly, but I wouldnt count on it
[08-Jul-2011 10:37:13] <Hackman238> rmatte: The core of zenoss is very static
[08-Jul-2011 10:37:16] <rmatte> It's unlikely, but possible
[08-Jul-2011 10:37:35] <Jane_Curry> I think at the moment we could get collaboration with Zenoss folk
[08-Jul-2011 10:37:42] <Hackman238> rmatte: Agreed, but conflict resolution needs to occur even in unified dev environments
[08-Jul-2011 10:37:49] <Jane_Curry> How long it would last would be another question.....
[08-Jul-2011 10:38:22] <rmatte> Jane_Curry: compare it to the Zenoss Masters meetings that we were having, they were great then all of a sudden, gone
[08-Jul-2011 10:38:33] <rmatte> there's no point in starting something unless it's going to stick
[08-Jul-2011 10:38:49] <jmp242> that is true. I wondered what happened with that
[08-Jul-2011 10:38:52] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: I would say it would continue until eventual fork
[08-Jul-2011 10:38:55] <Jane_Curry> exactly but I do think the force may be with us, at least for a window of opportunity to start things going
[08-Jul-2011 10:39:31] <rmatte> hmmm, they haven't come back with anything about the meeting that they had have they?
[08-Jul-2011 10:39:32] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Exactly. It must occur now or meet probable defeat by SD
[08-Jul-2011 10:39:49] <rmatte> Yeh, I totally agree with that one
[08-Jul-2011 10:39:57] <rmatte> SD grows stronger by each day
[08-Jul-2011 10:39:57] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 10:40:02] <Hackman238> rmatte: I spoke with nick, all positive moves during the meeting
[08-Jul-2011 10:40:07] <Jane_Curry> If we DON'T do anything, I agree - Core gets no air time, no priotity on fixes, no input,.....
[08-Jul-2011 10:40:15] <rmatte> Hackman238: excellent to hear
[08-Jul-2011 10:40:23] <jmp242> The Empire Strikes Back - Service Dynamics lol
[08-Jul-2011 10:40:35] <Hackman238> Hear this- Zenoss inc is afraid of a fork
[08-Jul-2011 10:40:49] <Jane_Curry> Oh yeh?
[08-Jul-2011 10:40:56] <rmatte> jmp242: more like: The Empire Strikes Back - Sales Department
[08-Jul-2011 10:40:56] <fragfutter> who created this one? http://code.google.com/p/zenoss2/
[08-Jul-2011 10:41:07] <Jane_Curry> Bags I be the wookie!
[08-Jul-2011 10:41:11] <jmp242> be,as well they should
[08-Jul-2011 10:41:12] <Hackman238> That tells you this is our time to grow the product while we have support.
[08-Jul-2011 10:41:48] <Hackman238> fragfutter: Dont know
[08-Jul-2011 10:41:56] <jmp242> I agree. Let me see what I can do at this end today and Monday
[08-Jul-2011 10:42:25] <Jane_Curry> fragfutter: me neither - looks old
[08-Jul-2011 10:42:28] <Hackman238> Long live Zenoss Core!
[08-Jul-2011 10:42:29] <Hackman238>
[08-Jul-2011 10:42:41] <Jane_Curry> :):):):)
[08-Jul-2011 10:43:25] <jmp242> Hear Hear!
[08-Jul-2011 10:44:02] <rmatte> I just noticed something about that google code page
[08-Jul-2011 10:44:18] <rmatte> one of the emails is wkarpov...@gmail.com, as in Bill Karpovich
[08-Jul-2011 10:44:32] <rmatte> so it's probably an official page created by Zenoss Inc. some time ago
[08-Jul-2011 10:44:50] <jmp242> It probably is
[08-Jul-2011 10:45:36] <fragfutter> maybe they just wanted to block the name.
[08-Jul-2011 10:46:03] <rmatte> Then wouldn't they pick http://code.google.com/p/zenoss/ instead of zenoss2?
[08-Jul-2011 10:46:13] <rmatte>
[08-Jul-2011 10:48:46] <fragfutter> which isn't taken and could be used
[08-Jul-2011 10:49:08] <rmatte> yuppers
[08-Jul-2011 10:49:34] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yep
[08-Jul-2011 10:49:35] <Hackman238> LOL
[08-Jul-2011 10:50:55] <Sam-I-Am> ahhh, having internet is so nice
[08-Jul-2011 10:51:01] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 10:51:02] <Sam-I-Am> can get 40/10 here
[08-Jul-2011 10:51:05] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: nice
[08-Jul-2011 10:51:08] <Sam-I-Am> with a real IP
[08-Jul-2011 10:51:17] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Have you been folowwing the revolution!
[08-Jul-2011 10:51:20] <gat0rvean> hello, can someone tell me how to use debugging to view traps coming in to zenoss?
[08-Jul-2011 10:51:23] <Hackman238> *following
[08-Jul-2011 10:51:27] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: the internet revolution?
[08-Jul-2011 10:51:30] <Jane_Curry> Anyone want to go for it - http://code.google.com/p/zenoss/ ?????????
[08-Jul-2011 10:51:35] <Sam-I-Am> i hear the internet is on computers these days
[08-Jul-2011 10:51:35] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Zenoss core revolution
[08-Jul-2011 10:51:44] <Sam-I-Am> oh, naw... i've been totally out of the loop for ~2 weeks
[08-Jul-2011 10:51:48] <Sam-I-Am> maybe even longer
[08-Jul-2011 10:52:01] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Where have you been?
[08-Jul-2011 10:52:01] <rmatte> gat0rvean: I'm not sure that zentrap actually supports that... if it does you'd just stop the zentrap daemon that's running and do zentrap run -v10
[08-Jul-2011 10:52:13] <Jane_Curry> gat0rvean: what are you trying to do???
[08-Jul-2011 10:52:15] <rmatte> gat0rvean: I usually just use tcpdump to view them
[08-Jul-2011 10:52:20] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: looking for a place to live, packing, moving, unpacking
[08-Jul-2011 10:52:23] <Sam-I-Am> start the new gig on monday
[08-Jul-2011 10:52:38] <Sam-I-Am> then a week later i'm on the road
[08-Jul-2011 10:52:45] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Ah, yeah that'll keep one busy
[08-Jul-2011 10:52:57] <Hackman238> Revolution - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-vinrpqdXw
[08-Jul-2011 10:53:22] <Hackman238> gat0rvean: I second tcpdump for that application
[08-Jul-2011 10:53:31] <gat0rvean> Jane_Curry: I'm trying to see how the heck to get zenoss to do what I want with traps, I've got an Extreme Networks switch sending traps, and they are all going in to /Unknown and showing up very cryptically in their descriptions. I've got wireshark on the port and the switch is sending multiple OID's in each trap, and I think it's freaking zenoss out
[08-Jul-2011 10:54:13] <Hackman238> gat0rvean: Have you created transforms to direct the traps?
[08-Jul-2011 10:54:45] <Sam-I-Am> mmm angry german
[08-Jul-2011 10:55:18] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: 'You are the revolution!'
[08-Jul-2011 10:55:25] <gat0rvean> Hackman238: No, I'm not really up to par on writing transforms, I looked at some of the examples, but I know no python
[08-Jul-2011 10:55:26] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Not really angry, just powerful.
[08-Jul-2011 10:55:28] <rmatte> gat0rvean: you need to install the MIBs for the device in Zenoss, then restart Zenoss
[08-Jul-2011 10:55:46] <gat0rvean> rmatte: The mibs are installed, and I restarted it
[08-Jul-2011 10:55:57] <rmatte> gat0rvean: and even then, they'll still come in to /Unknown with the trap names, you have to create event mappings and use transforms if you want them categorized and more human readable
[08-Jul-2011 10:56:17] <Hackman238> gat0rvean: when the traps show in /Unknown do they appear as oids or do they have MIB labels?
[08-Jul-2011 10:56:29] <rmatte> gat0rvean: yeh, give an example of a trap
[08-Jul-2011 10:56:52] <gat0rvean> Hackman238: MIB labels, human readable
[08-Jul-2011 10:57:19] <Hackman238> gat0rvean: in such case you can do event mapping to direct them to their correct event classes
[08-Jul-2011 10:57:46] <gat0rvean> rmatte: "snmp trap extremeEAPSStateChange"
[08-Jul-2011 10:57:52] <Jane_Curry> gat0rvean: Do you have my Zenoss Event Management doc? docs/DOC-3538
[08-Jul-2011 10:58:15] <gat0rvean> Hackman238: Like create my own Event Class, or put it in one of the default ones?
[08-Jul-2011 10:58:34] <Jane_Curry> Do we really want http://code.google.com/p/zenoss/ - I can grab it if we do??????
[08-Jul-2011 10:58:38] <Hackman238> gat0rvean: Up to you depending on what you'd like the event to possible trigger
[08-Jul-2011 10:58:54] <gat0rvean> Jane_Curry: I'll check it out
[08-Jul-2011 10:59:32] <gat0rvean> Hackman238: Basically I want it it to send an alert, cause all I'm using traps for is to monitor link/port state and some ELSM, EDP status
[08-Jul-2011 10:59:46] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: It cannot hurt to reserve it, but I wold not populate it. We need to prevent moves by the enemy, but we dont want to be agressive until we have to.
[08-Jul-2011 11:00:37] <fragfutter> Jane_Curry: it's an agressive move and should only be done if anything else fails. Also i have no idea about the zenoss trademarks
[08-Jul-2011 11:01:39] <Jane_Curry> Mebbe not then....
[08-Jul-2011 11:01:45] <Hackman238> fragfutter: Agreed, TM investigation is a must.
[08-Jul-2011 11:02:31] <Hackman238> *adds to list of Core revolution tasks*
[08-Jul-2011 11:02:50] <Hackman238> ...fortunately I have an entire staff of laywers up in good old NYC
[08-Jul-2011 11:03:18] <fragfutter> the discussion of the last hour should be summed up. And the summary could be placed as a proposal to zenoss inc
[08-Jul-2011 11:04:07] <rmatte> gat0rvean: Your traps are being properly translated by Zenoss using the MIB, but Zenoss doesn't magically know how to make them more human readable, you have to create event mappings for common traps which will allow you to make human readable summaries
[08-Jul-2011 11:04:25] <rmatte> or you can leave
[08-Jul-2011 11:04:28] <rmatte> bleh
[08-Jul-2011 11:04:40] <fragfutter> rmatte: rofl
[08-Jul-2011 11:05:07] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 11:05:37] <fragfutter> now we need to figure out with whom of the zenoss staff you have been confering
[08-Jul-2011 11:08:53] <Hackman238> fragfutter: I dont follow
[08-Jul-2011 11:09:05] <Jane_Curry> fragfutter is correct: this needs summarising and "shared" with Zenoss - volunteers?
[08-Jul-2011 11:09:05] <Hackman238> rmatte: I dont follow 'or can leave'
[08-Jul-2011 11:09:45] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: I've begun a summary to go over with nick
[08-Jul-2011 11:09:45] <rmatte> he left right while I was typing that up
[08-Jul-2011 11:09:47] <jmp242> I'm very interested in where all this is going, unfortunately, work calls
[08-Jul-2011 11:09:57] <jmp242> I'll probably have more on Monday
[08-Jul-2011 11:10:05] <rmatte> [11:02am] ��� signoff!#zenoss -> gat0rvean (Quit: Leaving.
[08-Jul-2011 11:10:13] <rmatte> Then me: blah blah blah
[08-Jul-2011 11:10:15] <Hackman238> rmatte: oh Oh LOL
[08-Jul-2011 11:10:21] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 11:10:24] <Hackman238> jmp242: No sweat
[08-Jul-2011 11:11:21] <Hackman238> fragfutter: Have you any specific words in mind?
[08-Jul-2011 11:18:41] <Hackman238> After much deliberation the Zenoss Core community has decided to surmize and present its position to Zenoss Inc.
[08-Jul-2011 11:18:45] <Hackman238> The community at large has been insulted by Zenoss Incs retraction of Core efforts and mocking of our requests to be treated as a priority.
[08-Jul-2011 11:18:48] <Hackman238> As such, the community has concluded that we will organize a structured initative to strategically advance Core to remain competative with Zenoss Service Dynamics and crush it as a competitor.
[08-Jul-2011 11:19:24] <Hackman238> After reading why I've typed someone obviously will need to edit my words.
[08-Jul-2011 11:19:51] <rmatte> hehe, it sounds like it's coming from Stalin
[08-Jul-2011 11:19:59] <rmatte> "We will crush them!"
[08-Jul-2011 11:20:01] <rmatte>
[08-Jul-2011 11:20:07] <rmatte> I like it hehe
[08-Jul-2011 11:20:08] <Hackman238>
[08-Jul-2011 11:22:26] <Hackman238> Any other takes?
[08-Jul-2011 11:23:18] <JohnnyNOC> spell check too
[08-Jul-2011 11:23:19] <JohnnyNOC>
[08-Jul-2011 11:23:37] <rmatte> yeh, I've bugged him about that before, his excuse is that he doesn't have time to spell correctly
[08-Jul-2011 11:23:50] <rmatte> hehe
[08-Jul-2011 11:23:55] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Aye- I'm GM fail with spelling
[08-Jul-2011 11:24:13] <JohnnyNOC> it's all good just being a nazi
[08-Jul-2011 11:24:14] <JohnnyNOC>
[08-Jul-2011 11:24:15] <rmatte> fail whale
[08-Jul-2011 11:24:22] <rmatte> haha
[08-Jul-2011 11:24:28] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Too few threads to spell
[08-Jul-2011 11:24:34] <JohnnyNOC> i do somewhat agree with your statement though.. granted i don't think i'm upset as some of you may be
[08-Jul-2011 11:24:35] <JohnnyNOC>
[08-Jul-2011 11:24:52] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Does it sound mad?
[08-Jul-2011 11:25:08] <rmatte> It definitely has a mad sound to it, yes
[08-Jul-2011 11:25:25] <rmatte> but I don't think it's over the top
[08-Jul-2011 11:25:25] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Its supposed to be direct. No mad but threatening as a dooming power looming over them.
[08-Jul-2011 11:25:28] <JohnnyNOC> saying we've been insulted and mocked gives it a negative connotation in my mind
[08-Jul-2011 11:25:39] <JohnnyNOC> but thats just mho
[08-Jul-2011 11:25:52] <Hackman238> Understood.
[08-Jul-2011 11:25:53] <rmatte> right, but at the same time, how do you express our feelings without those words?
[08-Jul-2011 11:26:05] <rmatte> If you say "Oh, we're a little upset", will they take it as seriously?
[08-Jul-2011 11:26:16] <Hackman238> rmatte: No, you must look the part.
[08-Jul-2011 11:26:29] <rmatte> exactly hehe
[08-Jul-2011 11:26:37] <JohnnyNOC> so why not threaten to fork or something?
[08-Jul-2011 11:26:47] <rmatte> we will if necessary
[08-Jul-2011 11:26:55] <JohnnyNOC> damn, what happened
[08-Jul-2011 11:26:57] <JohnnyNOC> do i need to scroll up?
[08-Jul-2011 11:26:58] <Hackman238> rmatte: Use of the words doom, loom, crush, dismantle, etc are all very powerful.
[08-Jul-2011 11:27:14] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: there was a lot of discussion earlier, yeh
[08-Jul-2011 11:27:44] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: the idea is to not fork but let them know we're building a structure to advance core. They can be at peace with us or we can fork and conquer.
[08-Jul-2011 11:27:56] <rmatte> yeh, exactly
[08-Jul-2011 11:28:25] <rmatte> join us and we can rule the galaxy sort of thing
[08-Jul-2011 11:28:44] <Hackman238> Nullification of Zenoss's market is painfully easy with enough community movement.
[08-Jul-2011 11:28:45] <JohnnyNOC> hrm ok i gotcha, i scrolled up
[08-Jul-2011 11:29:10] <JohnnyNOC> sounds like we need a 'committee'
[08-Jul-2011 11:29:13] <JohnnyNOC> or "the commission"
[08-Jul-2011 11:29:15] <jmp242> Hmm, Hackman238, I wouldn't be that threatining
[08-Jul-2011 11:29:19] <Hackman238> Yep, its on the list.
[08-Jul-2011 11:29:29] <rmatte> Hackman238: creating a community reporting server implementation would be pretty damn easy, just need to get the hooks in there
[08-Jul-2011 11:29:32] <Hackman238> jmp242: In the summary?
[08-Jul-2011 11:30:03] <jmp242> Yea... Are we really feeling mocked? Cause I'm not
[08-Jul-2011 11:30:22] <jmp242> I'm a little insulted, but mostly a bit upset - I guess upset enough to take action
[08-Jul-2011 11:30:36] <rmatte> yeh, the word mocked probably isn't the best word, agreed
[08-Jul-2011 11:30:39] <jmp242> but I'm not thinking about a deceleration of Independence yet
[08-Jul-2011 11:31:21] <Hackman238> Alrighty, whats a better way to word it?
[08-Jul-2011 11:31:28] <jmp242> Well, off the cuff:
[08-Jul-2011 11:32:34] <jmp242> The Zenoss community and undersigned are disappointed with the current and recent past direction of Core. Numerous attempts at working with Zenoss Inc for collaboration or vision seem to have had little to no effect on the direction, features, or priorities of Core.
[08-Jul-2011 11:32:55] <Hackman238> All crit. is welcome- I'm told I'm scarey so anything I write needs to be run by others
[08-Jul-2011 11:32:57] <jmp242> Therefore, the community feels like it must take a more active role in setting the direction of Core
[08-Jul-2011 11:33:40] <jmp242> To this end we are forming a community board to set overarching vision for the community version of Zenoss so that members of the community can better reach their goals with Zenoss Core.
[08-Jul-2011 11:34:10] <jmp242> We would like to work with Zenoss Inc, but will do what is necessary to maintain the viability and featureset of Zenoss core.
[08-Jul-2011 11:34:20] <jmp242> Something like that
[08-Jul-2011 11:34:29] <Hackman238> jmp242: Hum. Much less damning than my summary.
[08-Jul-2011 11:34:34] <Hackman238>
[08-Jul-2011 11:34:43] <jmp242> But more CEO speak
[08-Jul-2011 11:34:49] <rmatte> My main dissapointment comes from their latest strategy in addressing lacking features in core. Instead of actually building some basic dependency and reporting systems that the core community could build on they left the existing crippled systems sitting there. They went off and built brand new systems that are 99% external to Zenoss Core. Now we as a community are left with the task of totally rebuilding those systems ourselves if we want improvement, otherw
[08-Jul-2011 11:35:36] <rmatte> The new traceroute dependency system that rocket mentioned sounds promising
[08-Jul-2011 11:35:37] <Hackman238> rmatte: Those are key areas that will gain us support and share.
[08-Jul-2011 11:35:51] <rmatte> but it's too little too late at this point
[08-Jul-2011 11:35:55] * rmatte nods
[08-Jul-2011 11:36:30] <Hackman238> jmp242: I think your summary comes across better, but I think it needs more power.
[08-Jul-2011 11:37:06] <JohnnyNOC> how do you plan on presenting this to Zenoss INC?
[08-Jul-2011 11:37:26] <jmp242> Well, it was off the cuff
[08-Jul-2011 11:37:31] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I'll workout something with Nick so we can have a dedicated IRC meeting at which we can present
[08-Jul-2011 11:37:40] <JohnnyNOC> *nod* gotcha
[08-Jul-2011 11:37:42] <Hackman238> jmp242: Impressive
[08-Jul-2011 11:37:54] <rmatte> jmp242: yeh, that is pretty good
[08-Jul-2011 11:38:26] <JohnnyNOC> you guys aren't satisfied with the statement from someone at Zenoss INC that kind of addresses this issue?
[08-Jul-2011 11:38:33] <JohnnyNOC> i forget where it was, like a blog post or something
[08-Jul-2011 11:38:44] <jmp242> The last "do what is necessary" is pretty strong wording for these sorts of corporate communication.
[08-Jul-2011 11:38:46] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: I read that post, and no, that was only a half response
[08-Jul-2011 11:39:06] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: It even says in the post that they'll be releasing further statements
[08-Jul-2011 11:39:15] <jmp242> In some ways, we need to speak their (Marketing / CxO) language I think
[08-Jul-2011 11:39:33] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: It was appetizer for the purposes of avoidance.
[08-Jul-2011 11:39:59] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 i kinda got that same vibe myself.. but i'm always skeptical of pretty much everyone/thing
[08-Jul-2011 11:39:59] <JohnnyNOC>
[08-Jul-2011 11:40:03] <jmp242> Also, we don't want to rush or force them into breaking off Core... we want to choose to do that when we want to
[08-Jul-2011 11:40:11] <jmp242> and only as a last resort
[08-Jul-2011 11:40:22] <Hackman238> jmp242: Agreed, my staff and peers ahev always told me I come across as militant.
[08-Jul-2011 11:40:36] <Hackman238> jmp242: I tried to say that
[08-Jul-2011 11:40:37] <rmatte> jmp242: agreed, this should be taken gradually, as long as we're continuously moving in the right direction
[08-Jul-2011 11:41:00] <rmatte> we shouldn't be delivering an ultimatum to them lol
[08-Jul-2011 11:41:02] <jmp242> Yea, I hope to see if we can fit in the time to get the Wiki up early next week. I should know Monday
[08-Jul-2011 11:41:20] <rmatte> I must have missed this, what wiki?
[08-Jul-2011 11:41:30] <Hackman238> jmp242: Sounds like a plan. if the resources arent available let me know.
[08-Jul-2011 11:41:34] <jmp242> The Community Board / Direction wiki
[08-Jul-2011 11:41:56] <rmatte> I have two servers and I'd be up for hosting anything we need
[08-Jul-2011 11:41:59] <jmp242> The Survey's in the bag I think
[08-Jul-2011 11:42:07] <Hackman238> jmp242: nice
[08-Jul-2011 11:42:41] <Hackman238> If we need a slice let me know I'll get Rackspace to donate one.
[08-Jul-2011 11:42:46] <jmp242> I should be in here by Noon EST monday
[08-Jul-2011 11:42:56] <rmatte> Hackman238: that would be cool
[08-Jul-2011 11:43:00] <Hackman238> jmp242: No sweat
[08-Jul-2011 11:44:36] <JohnnyNOC> well, for what it's worth, as somewhat of a newb to Zenoss one of my biggest concerns was poor documentation
[08-Jul-2011 11:44:48] <JohnnyNOC> or what i perceived to be poor documentation at least
[08-Jul-2011 11:44:54] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Thats a huge area of need, yes
[08-Jul-2011 11:45:02] <jmp242> I'll start thinking up a survey to post to the forums I think - i.e. so we can get this rolling... We wanted to get input on basic community goals?
[08-Jul-2011 11:45:08] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: you should have seen the documentation prior to Zenoss 2.3 lol
[08-Jul-2011 11:45:14] <rmatte> but yeh, there's always room for improvement
[08-Jul-2011 11:45:44] <jmp242> JohnnyNOC: did you ever find your way to the Community FAQs?
[08-Jul-2011 11:45:46] <rmatte> jmp242: yeh, goals would be good
[08-Jul-2011 11:46:00] <Hackman238> Relstorage is a huge support gainer and easy implment.
[08-Jul-2011 11:46:00] <JohnnyNOC> particular with respec to Zenpack development which without Jane Curry's doc i think everyone would be having probs with
[08-Jul-2011 11:46:01] <JohnnyNOC>
[08-Jul-2011 11:46:08] <JohnnyNOC> jmp242 yes, not as soon as I should have however
[08-Jul-2011 11:46:13] <rmatte> Hackman238: yeh, for sure
[08-Jul-2011 11:46:26] <jmp242> I can't rewrite the Admin Guide per-se
[08-Jul-2011 11:46:47] <jmp242> but once the functionality is in place, we can start a Community Documention page
[08-Jul-2011 11:47:04] <jmp242> did you all see the Community Documentors group I created on the zenoss.org jive site/
[08-Jul-2011 11:47:06] <Hackman238> Other areas like dependancy resolution systems and event subsystem rework are needed
[08-Jul-2011 11:47:11] <rmatte> well, I think the admin guide is pretty good... there are some issues with it because it contains some info that is no longer relevant in 3.x
[08-Jul-2011 11:47:29] <jmp242> I kind of gave up with the Jive interface
[08-Jul-2011 11:47:34] <rmatte> It also has some parts that reference sections which no longer exist
[08-Jul-2011 11:47:35] <JohnnyNOC> jmp242 no i don't recall seeing that
[08-Jul-2011 11:48:16] <rmatte> Hackman238: I think the biggest rework needed from a community aspect is the reports
[08-Jul-2011 11:48:31] <Hackman238> rmatte: Reports, yes, absolutely
[08-Jul-2011 11:48:32] <rmatte> Hackman238: That always has been an issue, and like I said, Zenoss Inc did nothing for the community in that respect
[08-Jul-2011 11:48:46] <Hackman238> Anyone here know anything about jasper?
[08-Jul-2011 11:48:56] <rmatte> nope, but I'm a fast learner lol
[08-Jul-2011 11:49:06] <Hackman238> We should work with jasper to maintain maximum compatability
[08-Jul-2011 11:49:18] <Hackman238>
[08-Jul-2011 11:49:19] <rmatte> jasper really is the best OSS option out there anyways
[08-Jul-2011 11:49:34] <Hackman238> rmatte: I have no basis to disagree
[08-Jul-2011 11:50:10] <rmatte> I researched reporting server solutions about a year ago, and I couldn't find anything that could beat it
[08-Jul-2011 11:51:02] <rmatte> I should load up a new VM with jasper on it and have a go at it
[08-Jul-2011 11:51:20] <jmp242> I have to admit I've never really used reporting
[08-Jul-2011 11:51:26] <jmp242> nor do I understand it much
[08-Jul-2011 11:51:44] <JohnnyNOC> i've found it easier to just write python scripts for custom reports
[08-Jul-2011 11:51:45] <Hackman238> jmp242: I've always written my own reporting systems
[08-Jul-2011 11:51:50] <rmatte> jmp242: reporting is everything to us here... we've had to hack together some pretty brutal stuff to get the reports that we need lol
[08-Jul-2011 11:52:23] <Hackman238> rmatte: Like the game mousetrap?
[08-Jul-2011 11:52:33] <rmatte> sort of lol
[08-Jul-2011 11:52:41] <Hackman238>
[08-Jul-2011 11:52:57] <rmatte> If the flying spaghetti monster were to write spaghetti code, this would be it
[08-Jul-2011 11:53:23] <JohnnyNOC> zenoss reporting?
[08-Jul-2011 11:53:24] <JohnnyNOC> heh
[08-Jul-2011 11:53:46] <rmatte> no, all of the stuff we had to write up and hack together to get decent reporting out of it
[08-Jul-2011 11:53:57] <rmatte> though the zenoss report code in core is absolute garbage
[08-Jul-2011 11:54:03] <rmatte> definitely needs revamping
[08-Jul-2011 11:54:33] <rmatte> well, the reports themselves do anyways
[08-Jul-2011 11:54:39] <Praxi> Hi, I'm having a problem getting a graph to work, I get NAN values I piggy backed on this thread because it was a similar issue. thread/15589?start=0&tstart=0 . I can snmpwalk, snmpget the OID, when I create the monitoring template, the test works fine, I turned on logging on the snmp daemon, and it appears successful, so looks like I'm just having problems...
[08-Jul-2011 11:54:40] <Praxi> ...making my graph
[08-Jul-2011 11:55:00] <rmatte> Praxi: you'll get nan values until 3 polling cycles have completed (about 15 minutes)
[08-Jul-2011 11:55:00] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL I always found the theory of Intelligent Falling funny
[08-Jul-2011 11:55:09] <Praxi> ya, been up for days hehe
[08-Jul-2011 11:55:14] <Praxi> even restarted the server
[08-Jul-2011 11:55:26] <rmatte> Praxi: oh, are you seeing debug messages in the event console?
[08-Jul-2011 11:55:38] <rmatte> (they won't show up by default, you have to change the filter settings to show them)
[08-Jul-2011 11:55:42] <Hackman238> Praxi: su zenoss, do zenperfsnmp run now -v1- -d {your device}
[08-Jul-2011 11:55:50] <rmatte> what he said ^
[08-Jul-2011 11:56:01] <Praxi> kk will try that
[08-Jul-2011 11:56:10] <Hackman238> Praxi: Look through the onscreen madness for "committing rrd value" or the like
[08-Jul-2011 11:56:16] <rmatte> Hackman238: I'm thinking it's one of those cases where the OID is "bad" because it needs a .0 at the end, or because he's trying to poll a table rather than an exact value
[08-Jul-2011 11:56:24] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yep. Sounds like it
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[08-Jul-2011 12:00:31] <Praxi> hmm not seeting committed, doing a snmpget against the OID heres what I get "SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.16174.1.1.1.3.1.3.0 = INTEGER: 35"
[08-Jul-2011 12:01:16] <rmatte> yeh don't bother with snmpget, Zenoss uses the twisted library and it's a lot pickier about OIDs than snmpget is...
[08-Jul-2011 12:01:25] <rmatte> what's the OID that you're using in your template?
[08-Jul-2011 12:01:26] <JohnnyNOC> praxi can you afford to rm the existing rrds and have them regenerated?
[08-Jul-2011 12:01:27] <Hackman238> Praxi: In your snmp datasource definition do you place a .0 at the end of the provided oid?
[08-Jul-2011 12:01:30] <rmatte> I notice that one ends in .0
[08-Jul-2011 12:01:36] <rmatte> you are probably missing the .0 in the template
[08-Jul-2011 12:01:59] <JohnnyNOC> i've had similar problems that i couldn't figure out and blowing away the RRDs stopped the NaN values
[08-Jul-2011 12:02:26] <Praxi> Heres the OID copied out of the data source on the template iso.3.6.1.4.1.16174.1.1.1.3.1.3.0
[08-Jul-2011 12:02:39] <rmatte> that's your problem
[08-Jul-2011 12:02:42] <rmatte> the iso.
[08-Jul-2011 12:02:48] <rmatte> you can't have text in an OID
[08-Jul-2011 12:02:54] <Hackman238> Praxi: ^second
[08-Jul-2011 12:02:56] <rmatte> you've basically pasted a partially translated OID
[08-Jul-2011 12:03:02] <Praxi> ahh
[08-Jul-2011 12:03:20] <Praxi> hmm do I just drop the iso, or do I have to figure out what it equals?
[08-Jul-2011 12:03:21] <Hackman238> Praxi: append a -On to your snmpget to get the oid
[08-Jul-2011 12:03:26] <rmatte> if you want snmpget to show you full OIDs instead of translating them add the -On option
[08-Jul-2011 12:03:37] <Praxi> awesome thanks will try it
[08-Jul-2011 12:03:42] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ha! InB4rmatte
[08-Jul-2011 12:03:44] <Hackman238>
[08-Jul-2011 12:03:47] <rmatte>
[08-Jul-2011 12:03:51] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 12:03:51] <Praxi> lol
[08-Jul-2011 12:03:56] <JohnnyNOC>
[08-Jul-2011 12:04:04] <JohnnyNOC> you guys are studs
[08-Jul-2011 12:04:13] <rmatte> we try
[08-Jul-2011 12:04:23] <Hackman238> LOL
[08-Jul-2011 12:05:41] <Praxi> As an OID does this look more reasonable? .1.3.6.1.4.1.16174.1.1.1.3.1.2.0
[08-Jul-2011 12:05:53] <rmatte> yes
[08-Jul-2011 12:05:54] <Hackman238> Praxi: yes
[08-Jul-2011 12:06:13] <rmatte> Ha! InB4Hackman238
[08-Jul-2011 12:06:24] <rmatte>
[08-Jul-2011 12:06:25] <Hackman238> rmatte: I knew that was comming
[08-Jul-2011 12:06:28] <Hackman238>
[08-Jul-2011 12:06:34] <Hackman238> Well played sir.
[08-Jul-2011 12:06:47] <rmatte> hehe
[08-Jul-2011 12:06:48] <Praxi> lol, you guys rock, I'll let it run and post back on that thread if it works
[08-Jul-2011 12:06:57] <rmatte> cool
[08-Jul-2011 12:07:00] <Praxi> that thread is the #2 google hit for zenoss graph nan
[08-Jul-2011 12:07:02] <JohnnyNOC> you guys need a BTC donation link
[08-Jul-2011 12:07:03] <Hackman238> Praxi: Sounds liek a plan
[08-Jul-2011 12:07:15] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Good idea
[08-Jul-2011 12:07:16] <rmatte> yeh, we should set one up hehe
[08-Jul-2011 12:07:35] <rmatte> we could actually add one to the community wiki site
[08-Jul-2011 12:07:40] <JohnnyNOC> or a paypal link
[08-Jul-2011 12:07:42] <Jane_Curry> Hi guys - dipped out for a while - Lots of ticks for jmp242's words!
[08-Jul-2011 12:07:42] <rmatte> and use any donations to fund work on core
[08-Jul-2011 12:07:53] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*
[08-Jul-2011 12:07:55] <JohnnyNOC> ie beer for rmatte
[08-Jul-2011 12:07:57] <JohnnyNOC> while he codes
[08-Jul-2011 12:07:57] <JohnnyNOC>
[08-Jul-2011 12:07:58] <JohnnyNOC> jk
[08-Jul-2011 12:08:00] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 12:08:16] <rmatte> "Why does this code suck so bad?" "Oh, he was drunk"
[08-Jul-2011 12:08:23] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL
[08-Jul-2011 12:08:36] <rmatte> http://xkcd.com/323/
[08-Jul-2011 12:08:36] <Praxi> Hey one more questions about what you guys told me to do, asked if I could delete the RRD's, I'm unclear on what that is, I have deleted the device and recreated it before, does that accomplish that?
[08-Jul-2011 12:08:51] <Jane_Curry> Mebbe.....
[08-Jul-2011 12:09:03] <JohnnyNOC> Praxi theoretically it should.. but in my experience no it does not. even if i check the little boxes that say remove the perf dir
[08-Jul-2011 12:09:24] <Jane_Curry> Look in $ZENHOME/perf/Devices/<your box name>
[08-Jul-2011 12:09:25] <JohnnyNOC> i have to go in and manually rm ~zenoss/perf/Devices/<devicename>
[08-Jul-2011 12:09:28] <rmatte> Praxi: ok, the RRD files are where the performance data is stored... you'll find them in $ZENHOME/perf
[08-Jul-2011 12:09:48] <rmatte> $ZENHOME represents the zenoss directory on your install, you have to be the zenoss user
[08-Jul-2011 12:09:59] <Praxi> ok so thats just a history of the raw data for the graph?
[08-Jul-2011 12:10:13] <Praxi> awesome thanks again
[08-Jul-2011 12:10:30] <Hackman238> rmatte: poor windows ME. LOL
[08-Jul-2011 12:10:32] <Praxi> that is one of my favorite xkcd's
[08-Jul-2011 12:10:36] <rmatte> Hackman238: yup hehe
[08-Jul-2011 12:10:51] <Hackman238> rmatte: Always been a fan of WinNT 4...thats where I started
[08-Jul-2011 12:11:07] <rmatte> nice, I never touched WinNT 4
[08-Jul-2011 12:11:20] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yeah it has a cool theme too, night and stars
[08-Jul-2011 12:11:20] <Jane_Curry> good choice!
[08-Jul-2011 12:12:17] <rmatte> A few of my favourites: http://xkcd.com/705/ http://xkcd.com/224/ http://xkcd.com/149/
[08-Jul-2011 12:12:17] <Praxi> This is probably one of my favorite cartoons ever, had it signed and framed by gabe and tyco and gave it to one of my buddies hehe http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/1999/03/17/
[08-Jul-2011 12:12:40] <Hackman238> http://news.soft32.com/wp-content/upload/microsoft/winnt4.jpg
[08-Jul-2011 12:12:41] <rmatte> lol nice
[08-Jul-2011 12:13:05] <rmatte> Hackman238: god, it's ever scarier than I remember lol
[08-Jul-2011 12:13:16] <rmatte> (the splash)
[08-Jul-2011 12:13:37] <rmatte> I've seen NT 4 before, just never really used it
[08-Jul-2011 12:14:01] <Praxi> I remember when they added the "now with internet explorer" to that splash, thought it was all special
[08-Jul-2011 12:14:03] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL
[08-Jul-2011 12:14:27] <Hackman238> http://news.soft32.com/wp-content/upload/microsoft/Windows1.jpg
[08-Jul-2011 12:14:28] <rmatte> "now with the worst web browser in history"
[08-Jul-2011 12:14:42] <Hackman238> I acctually have a copy of v1 and v2.
[08-Jul-2011 12:14:52] <rmatte> see, now that one is rad
[08-Jul-2011 12:14:58] <Hackman238> Back then I was coding my own OS Unis.
[08-Jul-2011 12:15:06] <rmatte> I've messed around with v2 before
[08-Jul-2011 12:15:13] <rmatte> there was a copy floating around the net years ago
[08-Jul-2011 12:15:38] <Hackman238> Supported 24 bit color, window overlapping, alpha blending, threading.
[08-Jul-2011 12:15:52] <Hackman238> ^Unis did the above, not win1/2
[08-Jul-2011 12:16:00] <rmatte> yeh
[08-Jul-2011 12:16:06] <rmatte> afk for a sec
[08-Jul-2011 12:16:24] <Hackman238> rmatte: Alas it was written in QBasic and ASM...so it was doomed to limitation
[08-Jul-2011 12:16:42] <Hackman238> *face palm* 'least I can say I tried
[08-Jul-2011 12:21:34] <willwh> hi guys.... bit of an odd question - but here goes...
[08-Jul-2011 12:22:15] <willwh> I use check_http to check response times to a few sites - over the last couple of days I'm getting tons of notices that it's not responding in under the specified time - which it clearly is
[08-Jul-2011 12:22:36] <willwh> I am running this on an ec2 instance, and from watching top for a 5-10mins, I am seeing wa spike up to around 20%
[08-Jul-2011 12:22:50] <willwh> is disk actually needed at any point in this check, can anyone tell me?
[08-Jul-2011 12:23:55] <rmatte> company BBQ today, I have just returned to my desk with 2 burgers and a beer
[08-Jul-2011 12:24:03] <rmatte> epic win
[08-Jul-2011 12:24:04] <Hackman238> rmatte: Win
[08-Jul-2011 12:24:10] <Praxi> lol nice
[08-Jul-2011 12:24:34] <Praxi> I use to work for the trail blazers, on game day they would get us all tanked up at Tony Romas for lunch, was awesome
[08-Jul-2011 12:24:54] <Hackman238> willwh: Hum.
[08-Jul-2011 12:25:05] <rmatte> lol nice
[08-Jul-2011 12:25:34] <rmatte> shhh, there he is
[08-Jul-2011 12:25:36] <rmatte>
[08-Jul-2011 12:25:51] <nyeates> So where be the mutiny?
[08-Jul-2011 12:25:52] <Hackman238> *cough* Yeah Nick is great guys.
[08-Jul-2011 12:26:08] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 12:26:29] <Hackman238> No mutiny, just the community mobilizing efforts to fill in Core gaps.
[08-Jul-2011 12:26:42] <rmatte> there be no mutiny yet, but we figures that you owes us halfs a share of the gold
[08-Jul-2011 12:26:47] <willwh> yeah rmatte - nice, we just bought a bbq too
[08-Jul-2011 12:26:51] <willwh> bbq every friday
[08-Jul-2011 12:26:52] <willwh>
[08-Jul-2011 12:27:01] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL
[08-Jul-2011 12:27:04] <rmatte> willwh: ah, nice, this is a very rare occurence here
[08-Jul-2011 12:27:10] <willwh> ah!
[08-Jul-2011 12:27:20] <willwh> so rmatte you have any input on my little issue?
[08-Jul-2011 12:27:23] <nyeates> Cool. That sounds like a good thing. What is the exec summary or should i go read logs now :-p
[08-Jul-2011 12:27:31] <rmatte> hold on, reading...
[08-Jul-2011 12:27:34] <Hackman238> We're working on a summary
[08-Jul-2011 12:27:40] <willwh> the odd thing is too - when I run the same check_http from the cli a bunch - it seems to return okay most of the itme
[08-Jul-2011 12:27:43] <willwh> time*
[08-Jul-2011 12:27:51] <Hackman238> Everything thats said is unofficial and thinking media.
[08-Jul-2011 12:28:25] <rmatte> willwh: the only disk usage would be when it captures the data in to the RRD
[08-Jul-2011 12:28:42] <rmatte> willwh: also, is it the check_http script itself generating the alert, or a threshold within Zenoss?
[08-Jul-2011 12:28:43] <willwh> I am not even graphing it :]
[08-Jul-2011 12:28:55] <willwh> threshold in zenoss
[08-Jul-2011 12:29:05] <rmatte> you don't have to be graphing it, if it's a datasource then it captures to RRD
[08-Jul-2011 12:29:12] <rmatte> whether you're graphing or not
[08-Jul-2011 12:29:16] <willwh> ah ok
[08-Jul-2011 12:29:33] <willwh> event class = /Status/Web
[08-Jul-2011 12:29:37] <rmatte> but I don't see how that would affect the response time values
[08-Jul-2011 12:29:47] <rmatte> almost sounds like possible latency spikes?
[08-Jul-2011 12:29:57] <willwh> not witht he frenquency I am seeing
[08-Jul-2011 12:30:04] <rmatte> hmmm
[08-Jul-2011 12:30:10] <willwh> unless maybe this ec2 instance has other loosers on it just jumping the hardware
[08-Jul-2011 12:30:19] <willwh> ***humping***
[08-Jul-2011 12:30:44] <rmatte> that's why I prefer to have either complete control over a vm environment or a dedicated box, otherwise you don't know what you're sharing it with
[08-Jul-2011 12:30:45] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 12:31:07] <willwh> yeah
[08-Jul-2011 12:31:17] <rmatte> "What do you mean that some dood is running 50 counterstrike servers on it!?"
[08-Jul-2011 12:32:25] <rmatte> but yeh, that's really weird
[08-Jul-2011 12:32:43] <rmatte> you should install htop on there, easier to visualize stuff with it
[08-Jul-2011 12:32:45] <Jane_Curry> nyeates: scroll back and read jmp242's summary
[08-Jul-2011 12:32:46] <willwh> really weird :\
[08-Jul-2011 12:33:22] <rmatte> Jane_Curry: he wasn't around that long
[08-Jul-2011 12:33:55] <JohnnyNOC> here you go nyeates
[08-Jul-2011 12:33:56] <JohnnyNOC> 10:31 <jmp242> Well, off the cuff:
[08-Jul-2011 12:33:56] <JohnnyNOC> 10:32 <jmp242> The Zenoss community and undersigned are disappointed with the current and recent past direction of Core. Numerous attempts at working with
[08-Jul-2011 12:33:56] <JohnnyNOC> Zenoss Inc for collaboration or vision seem to have had little to no effect on the direction, features, or priorities of Core.
[08-Jul-2011 12:33:56] <JohnnyNOC> 10:32 <jmp242> Therefore, the community feels like it must take a more active role in setting the direction of Core
[08-Jul-2011 12:33:56] <JohnnyNOC> 10:33 <jmp242> To this end we are forming a community board to set overarching vision for the community version of Zenoss so that members of the community
[08-Jul-2011 12:33:57] <JohnnyNOC> can better reach their goals with Zenoss Core.
[08-Jul-2011 12:33:57] <JohnnyNOC> 10:34 <jmp242> We would like to work with Zenoss Inc, but will do what is necessary to maintain the viability and featureset of Zenoss core.
[08-Jul-2011 12:33:58] <JohnnyNOC> 10:34 <jmp242> Something like that
[08-Jul-2011 12:33:59] <Jane_Curry> Do I paste him the jmp wonder-words??
[08-Jul-2011 12:34:03] <JohnnyNOC> err, i guess i should have pastebin'd
[08-Jul-2011 12:34:03] <JohnnyNOC> sorry
[08-Jul-2011 12:34:13] <nyeates> s'ok...reading
[08-Jul-2011 12:34:14] <Jane_Curry> beaten to it!
[08-Jul-2011 12:34:25] <JohnnyNOC> sorry Jane_Curry too slow!
[08-Jul-2011 12:34:41] <rmatte> hehe
[08-Jul-2011 12:34:57] <Hackman238> lol
[08-Jul-2011 12:35:11] <rmatte> we're all about being first today aren't we?
[08-Jul-2011 12:35:28] <JohnnyNOC> nyeates on another note, did you see my priv msg on the forums about 3.x compatible ZenPacks? i believe i've confirmed a couple that work which weren't already
[08-Jul-2011 12:35:35] <willwh> rmatte: in htop - where do I see wa?
[08-Jul-2011 12:35:44] <willwh> I assume i am being blind
[08-Jul-2011 12:36:04] <rmatte> willwh: honestly I don't know that acronym
[08-Jul-2011 12:36:06] <rmatte> elaborate?
[08-Jul-2011 12:36:13] <JohnnyNOC> nyeates but you can reply on the forums if you'd like.. i'm about to go off for lunch
[08-Jul-2011 12:36:14] <willwh> it's processes waiting for disk
[08-Jul-2011 12:36:25] <rmatte> oh, let me see...
[08-Jul-2011 12:36:58] <nyeates> JohnnyNoc: Yeah I had replied to send that to my email
[08-Jul-2011 12:37:15] <nyeates> I think this is all good stuff. Seeing the community empower itself is a good thing that we can all benefit from.
[08-Jul-2011 12:37:29] <Hackman238> WIN!
[08-Jul-2011 12:37:31] <Hackman238>
[08-Jul-2011 12:37:51] <Jane_Curry> Us too
[08-Jul-2011 12:37:52] <rmatte> willwh: that metric may be missing from it, bah
[08-Jul-2011 12:37:55] <JohnnyNOC> nyeates ah sorry missed that earlier. i don't send a lot of pm's there
[08-Jul-2011 12:39:09] <rmatte> oh, there's probably some flag that you have to use with htop
[08-Jul-2011 12:39:17] <Jane_Curry> So what gives inside Zenoss re Core, nyeates?
[08-Jul-2011 12:39:31] <nyeates> Im gonna let the cat out the bag to some degree here. Simon is prepping a blog post to community. I have yet to see it, but basically we want to put out on the table to gather thoughts on how we handle the core/community code base. Fork vs Merge
[08-Jul-2011 12:39:43] <rmatte> willwh: apparently iotop is more what you want
[08-Jul-2011 12:39:54] <bigegor> hi all, It looks like, i've missed something... Community Revolution?
[08-Jul-2011 12:40:07] <nyeates> This does not mean any direction is chosen, just thta we are puting all out on the table and geting feedback and trying to figure the best way formward
[08-Jul-2011 12:40:09] <rmatte> bigegor: well, certainly the community getting more organized
[08-Jul-2011 12:40:11] <Hackman238> Revolution!
[08-Jul-2011 12:40:13] <Jane_Curry> Kinda - if necessary
[08-Jul-2011 12:40:59] <Hackman238> bigegor: Structured community wide effort to advance Zenoss core and be competative with SD
[08-Jul-2011 12:41:00] <jmp242> I'd like to keep core as the Core of Zenoss stuff - somewhat obviously I think
[08-Jul-2011 12:41:13] <willwh> tbh I'
[08-Jul-2011 12:41:21] <willwh> wups - wrong window
[08-Jul-2011 12:41:28] <willwh> and fat fingers - what a day today.
[08-Jul-2011 12:41:55] <JohnnyNOC> are you considering giving commit access to some members of the community?
[08-Jul-2011 12:41:57] <jmp242> nyeates: I'm not looking for a fork, but we do want to have a focused vision and some better organization so Core users can fund some bigger work
[08-Jul-2011 12:42:10] <nyeates> jmp: this is what we label Merge.... keep the core and enterprise code base the same... hopefully with more direction on how what is decided to go into it.
[08-Jul-2011 12:42:11] <rmatte> If "Core" no longer reflects the function we may have to look at renaming it OpenZenoss or something
[08-Jul-2011 12:42:49] <nyeates> Fork might be a Inc-backed fork...have a few people still dedicated to it at Zenoss Inc, but a different project that is all open source and seperate
[08-Jul-2011 12:43:09] <rmatte> that would probably work well
[08-Jul-2011 12:43:16] <Jane_Curry> Provided your Core people really ARE ring-fenced
[08-Jul-2011 12:43:19] <rmatte> that backed by community contributions could be pretty decent
[08-Jul-2011 12:43:24] <nyeates> These are ideas we have thrown around, and always welcome to hear others. I DO like the community board idea alot.
[08-Jul-2011 12:44:10] <Hackman238> nyeates: skyped you
[08-Jul-2011 12:44:17] <rmatte> That's one thing, if the core guys there are being controlled by your sales department then not much is going to happen. If you do go that route you'd have to cut them loose really.
[08-Jul-2011 12:44:26] <Hackman238> nyeates: Absolutely.
[08-Jul-2011 12:44:45] <rmatte> and yeh, the community board idea is great
[08-Jul-2011 12:44:46] <Jane_Curry> nyeates: I see an issue when a community project reinvents an Enterprise feature
[08-Jul-2011 12:44:48] <bigegor> Fork will split community, and it is not good for both sides.
[08-Jul-2011 12:45:08] <Jane_Curry> For one, I object to reinvention
[08-Jul-2011 12:45:14] <rmatte> Jane_Curry: well, we've basically been doing that up to this point hehe
[08-Jul-2011 12:45:19] <Hackman238> Fork is last resort. it's all rework
[08-Jul-2011 12:45:40] <Jane_Curry> Yeh - stupid duplication if avoidable
[08-Jul-2011 12:45:54] <bigegor> Hackman238: agreed
[08-Jul-2011 12:46:06] <jmp242> Indeed. Also splitting the community seems bad for the Enterprise Customers as well
[08-Jul-2011 12:46:16] <JohnnyNOC> and how is a community board different than community.zenoss.org?
[08-Jul-2011 12:46:25] <JohnnyNOC> because it would be community operated?
[08-Jul-2011 12:46:34] <jmp242> Well, yes I think so
[08-Jul-2011 12:46:40] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: We'll be able to strcuture and organize efforts better
[08-Jul-2011 12:46:43] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: don't think of it as a literal "board", it would be a bunch of active community members organizing things
[08-Jul-2011 12:46:50] <Jane_Curry> Though what the marketing Enterprise guys will see in continuing to fund Core, I don't know
[08-Jul-2011 12:47:09] <jmp242> There's been issues with the Jive platform IMO
[08-Jul-2011 12:47:15] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: it's not just some forum that we're going to throw up
[08-Jul-2011 12:47:28] <rmatte> jmp242: yeh, I love unzipping zenpacks every time I download them
[08-Jul-2011 12:47:31] <rmatte> hehe
[08-Jul-2011 12:47:40] <JohnnyNOC> i understand i'm just trying to understand the impetus behind setting up our own versus using the existing community.zenoss.org site
[08-Jul-2011 12:47:44] <rmatte> though jive honestly isn't that bad
[08-Jul-2011 12:47:49] <jmp242> Well, it's also much harder for me to post any docs on the Jive site
[08-Jul-2011 12:47:49] <JohnnyNOC> jmp242 i agree.. i hate this jive bs
[08-Jul-2011 12:47:57] <jmp242> it split up the FAQ for one
[08-Jul-2011 12:47:59] <jmp242> due to Jive
[08-Jul-2011 12:48:05] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Ideally we'll be able to organize ideas, needs and resources more effectively on our own portal.
[08-Jul-2011 12:48:17] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: it's easier to get organized when you're not stuck in the confines of an existing system. We can set things up in a way that makes the most sense to us
[08-Jul-2011 12:48:19] <jmp242> and I don't work on it as much at all as the live editor breaks for me in Opera and Firefox a lot
[08-Jul-2011 12:48:35] <Hackman238> jmp242: Agreed
[08-Jul-2011 12:48:50] <Hackman238> jmp242: Why does everyone hate on Opera?
[08-Jul-2011 12:48:52] <jmp242> It was much easier with the Trac wiki I thought
[08-Jul-2011 12:48:53] <JohnnyNOC> makes a lot of sense
[08-Jul-2011 12:48:57] <Hackman238> jmp242: Works so well.
[08-Jul-2011 12:49:03] <rmatte> Yeh, the Jive editor is a pain to work with sometimes
[08-Jul-2011 12:49:03] <jmp242> Hey, I love Opera
[08-Jul-2011 12:49:09] <rmatte> I've had it absolutely butcher things on me
[08-Jul-2011 12:49:26] <Hackman238> anyone consider a plone portal?
[08-Jul-2011 12:49:36] <rmatte> hmmm
[08-Jul-2011 12:49:36] <nyeates> rmatte: nice one on the zips....i fought that losing battle....catching up on all these comments...
[08-Jul-2011 12:49:37] <Hackman238> *ducks for tomatoes*
[08-Jul-2011 12:49:38] <JohnnyNOC> can't we just use a google+ hangout instead?
[08-Jul-2011 12:49:41] <JohnnyNOC> :X
[08-Jul-2011 12:49:41] <Jane_Curry> I'm nervous about splitting up the Zenoss resources - 2 places to track / post - never seems to work
[08-Jul-2011 12:49:49] <rmatte> nyeates: hehe
[08-Jul-2011 12:50:26] <JohnnyNOC> at any rate, it sounds like you guys have all the resources you need to make all of this happen but i'll be paying attention for any ways i could contribute
[08-Jul-2011 12:50:28] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: I agree, thats a problem needing consideration
[08-Jul-2011 12:50:37] <JohnnyNOC> i owe it to you guys afaic
[08-Jul-2011 12:50:39] <Praxi> hey more questions for you guys about the monitoring template I'm working on. I still don't have any data, I will go delete the RRD data, but for the template data point, what should my RRD type be, Gauge? and do I need to have the RRD Minimum/Maximum filled out?
[08-Jul-2011 12:50:40] <jmp242> Well . . . not any more I think than the Community Site
[08-Jul-2011 12:50:47] <jmp242> vs the forums
[08-Jul-2011 12:50:56] <Hackman238> jmp242: not disagreeing
[08-Jul-2011 12:51:13] <rmatte> Praxi: depends on what you're hoping to do, gauge is the most commonly used, it graphs the literal values
[08-Jul-2011 12:51:14] <jmp242> I mean, we can't get the FAQs or the like highlighted. The Zenoss official one's suck, but no one sees the Forum ones
[08-Jul-2011 12:51:20] <Hackman238> Personally I think we should use a Zope based portal of some type since we all have experience with it
[08-Jul-2011 12:51:37] <Praxi> ya thats what I want, literal values
[08-Jul-2011 12:51:49] <JohnnyNOC> i want something that's shiny
[08-Jul-2011 12:51:50] <rmatte> well... I don't know if zope is the best route to go for a web portal
[08-Jul-2011 12:51:52] <jmp242> Well, I was really hoping for something simple to work with, but I suppose it depends
[08-Jul-2011 12:51:53] <JohnnyNOC> with shiny buttons
[08-Jul-2011 12:51:57] <rmatte> honestly, if I had to recommend anything it would be redmine
[08-Jul-2011 12:52:04] <rmatte> it's the best collaboration software I've ever seen
[08-Jul-2011 12:52:12] <rmatte> it's like trac but with much more
[08-Jul-2011 12:52:14] <jmp242> I've pretty much used tWiki
[08-Jul-2011 12:52:25] <jmp242> which seems to be similar to any wiki
[08-Jul-2011 12:52:30] <Praxi> do the RRD mins/max matter? or is that just ENFORCING that my graph is a certain size, and doesn't shrink or grow?
[08-Jul-2011 12:52:33] <jmp242> but maybe that's not what everyone else would want?
[08-Jul-2011 12:52:34] <rmatte> yeh, we use twiki here
[08-Jul-2011 12:52:43] <JohnnyNOC> praxi it's enforcing the y axis
[08-Jul-2011 12:52:45] <rmatte> actually sorry, we use docuwiki
[08-Jul-2011 12:52:53] <Praxi> k thanks
[08-Jul-2011 12:52:54] <Hackman238> Praxi: it'll clip values outside those bounds
[08-Jul-2011 12:53:07] <rmatte> http://www.redmine.org/
[08-Jul-2011 12:53:07] <jmp242> I feel like the Jive site failure was it's too comples
[08-Jul-2011 12:53:11] <jmp242> complex
[08-Jul-2011 12:53:24] <Praxi> so if its blank the graph Y will change values as needed right?
[08-Jul-2011 12:53:24] <JohnnyNOC> dude, what about a facebook page
[08-Jul-2011 12:53:24] <Jane_Curry> twiki works for me
[08-Jul-2011 12:53:36] <JohnnyNOC> Praxi it should automagically adjust yes
[08-Jul-2011 12:53:36] <jmp242> FOSwiki really as it's newer
[08-Jul-2011 12:53:39] <jmp242> but otherwise the same
[08-Jul-2011 12:53:47] <Praxi> awesome, you guys are great
[08-Jul-2011 12:53:54] <JohnnyNOC> ok i'm hungry and just talking shit.. bbl
[08-Jul-2011 12:53:57] <Hackman238> FOSwiki works well, but it has limited user granularity
[08-Jul-2011 12:53:58] <JohnnyNOC> keep fighting the good fight guys!
[08-Jul-2011 12:53:59] <jmp242> You can do a really simple thing and plug stuff in
[08-Jul-2011 12:54:01] <nyeates> Plone is ok if you have a plone genionus adming it
[08-Jul-2011 12:54:02] <JohnnyNOC> and girl!
[08-Jul-2011 12:54:17] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC:
[08-Jul-2011 12:54:23] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: I don't think facebook is really what we need lol
[08-Jul-2011 12:54:27] <jmp242> Well, I figured we'd be looking for basically a web site that can host links
[08-Jul-2011 12:54:29] <Jane_Curry> Thanks JohnnyNOC
[08-Jul-2011 12:54:34] <jmp242> we'd still use the Zenoss forums
[08-Jul-2011 12:54:41] <jmp242> they work pretty well via e-mail anyway
[08-Jul-2011 12:54:50] <jmp242> we'd plug in links to surveys etc
[08-Jul-2011 12:55:05] <Hackman238> ^Thats what I was thinking
[08-Jul-2011 12:55:06] <jmp242> I've not really bought into the whole collaboration stuff that goes too far
[08-Jul-2011 12:55:27] <jmp242> I mean, SVN or whatever, sure if we need it, but I'd like to use what Zenoss has set up
[08-Jul-2011 12:55:41] <jmp242> I'm thinking mostly a place we can slap up docs
[08-Jul-2011 12:55:45] <jmp242> survey links
[08-Jul-2011 12:55:47] <jmp242> news and the like
[08-Jul-2011 12:55:50] <nyeates> What you all think of github?
[08-Jul-2011 12:55:52] <Praxi> hmm, looking at my RRD files, should I have one named after my datasource? only one I see in my device is sysUptime_sysUptime.rrd
[08-Jul-2011 12:55:52] <jmp242> simple infrastructure
[08-Jul-2011 12:55:58] <jmp242> for that
[08-Jul-2011 12:56:00] <nyeates> for core code
[08-Jul-2011 12:56:17] <jmp242> I only have ever used SVN, and not very much - so whatever people like IMO
[08-Jul-2011 12:56:22] <Hackman238> jmp242: Simple is good. We need not add admin load where not needed
[08-Jul-2011 12:56:32] <Jane_Curry> getting there slowly with git. Since ZenPacks use it, the fewer different techniques the better for me
[08-Jul-2011 12:56:51] <jmp242> yea
[08-Jul-2011 12:56:54] <jmp242> so git makes sense
[08-Jul-2011 12:57:16] <Hackman238> git has always been hit and miss for me, svn has been my standard. But git is a simple option.
[08-Jul-2011 12:57:38] <willwh> I like git
[08-Jul-2011 12:57:42] <rmatte> jmp242: I think you and I are seeing this completely differently... the way I see it is that it would be a committee of people dedicated to Zenoss who get feedback from the community and then decide how best to proceed with core and influence/develop it in that direction. I don't think it's beyond reason having a website dedicated to that organization.
[08-Jul-2011 12:58:10] <jmp242> Hmmm.
[08-Jul-2011 12:58:29] <jmp242> Yea, it depends on the setup time we want to do I suppose
[08-Jul-2011 12:58:32] <nyeates> Almost like a union for the community
[08-Jul-2011 12:58:36] <Jane_Curry> I don't see it as folk necessarily dedicated to Zenoss full-time - is that what you are thinking rmatte ?
[08-Jul-2011 12:58:41] <rmatte> anything that's worth doing takes time
[08-Jul-2011 12:58:59] <Jane_Curry> Yeh - but one also has to eat
[08-Jul-2011 12:59:04] <rmatte> Jane_Curry: no no, that's not what I meant, I meant to say people who are passionate about the product
[08-Jul-2011 12:59:17] <Jane_Curry> rmatte: Ahh - agreed then
[08-Jul-2011 12:59:19] <jmp242> Well, I'm thinking that we could potentially stand up a FOSWiki and plugins
[08-Jul-2011 12:59:22] <rmatte> I wasn't implying that this would be their day job
[08-Jul-2011 12:59:23] <bigegor> i don't see much sense in changing/splitting community platform (community.zenoss.org)
[08-Jul-2011 13:00:02] <jmp242> bigegor: the big problem is we've never gotten much ability to add/change the main pages
[08-Jul-2011 13:00:18] <jmp242> and the platform itself is actually a drag for me in contribution
[08-Jul-2011 13:00:30] <bigegor> can we ask Nick if it possible?
[08-Jul-2011 13:00:33] <Hackman238> bigegor: For organizational reasons mostly. Having our own portal lends credibility to the cause and helps influence a positive trend.
[08-Jul-2011 13:00:44] <jmp242> Jive doesn't work well with Opera, the editor doesn't work well for me in any browser I use
[08-Jul-2011 13:00:47] <Jane_Curry> nyeates: Could the community be granted more editorship over the existing website?
[08-Jul-2011 13:00:57] <jmp242> It's shiny over functional, and takes longer for formatting etc
[08-Jul-2011 13:01:25] <jmp242> If you look at the FAQ entries when I was using Trac vs Jive, or just Forum FAQ 1 vs 2, you'll see I do a lot less with 2 / jive
[08-Jul-2011 13:01:33] <jmp242> mostly because it's much more work for each entry...
[08-Jul-2011 13:01:39] <rmatte> Hackman238: the way I see it, we should be sort of a "foundation" or something, the "Zenoss Open Alliance" or whatever you want to call it.
[08-Jul-2011 13:02:08] <rmatte> It should basically be a voice for the community
[08-Jul-2011 13:02:09] <Hackman238> rmatte: Galactic Zenoss Foundation!
[08-Jul-2011 13:02:10] <Jane_Curry> The Artists of Zen ???
[08-Jul-2011 13:02:12] <Hackman238> rmatte:
[08-Jul-2011 13:02:17] <rmatte> haha
[08-Jul-2011 13:02:27] <rmatte> The Zednought!
[08-Jul-2011 13:02:31] <bigegor> i'm also not a big Jive fun.
[08-Jul-2011 13:02:40] <jmp242> The other big problem, perhaps due to the organizational structure, is that there's this whole backlog of Zenpacks for one person, nyeats to go through
[08-Jul-2011 13:02:50] <jmp242> The Zenpack page is almost always out of date
[08-Jul-2011 13:03:03] <nyeates> Jane_Curry and BigEgor: I would love to see this done. We would be more open-source like instead of one guy to block all the content. In the past, the company has wanted to keep this locked down - or needed to because of how Jive works. I hope that we could do this and will have to figure it out.
[08-Jul-2011 13:03:04] <rmatte> jmp242: I agree, and part of this would be assisting with that
[08-Jul-2011 13:03:07] <jmp242> But we could potentially have multiple community testers, official
[08-Jul-2011 13:03:15] <Jane_Curry> I still don't like splitting resources - nyeates - any chance that the existing website could be moved off Jive to another platform?
[08-Jul-2011 13:03:16] <jmp242> alpha/beta drops from git
[08-Jul-2011 13:03:21] <rmatte> jmp242: there are ZenPacks that desperately need to be deprecated too
[08-Jul-2011 13:03:39] <jmp242> and then quickly have a tagged release when some testing was done
[08-Jul-2011 13:03:48] <nyeates> The entire .org site should be more wiki-like
[08-Jul-2011 13:03:52] <Hackman238> rmatte: Zenoss Community Alliance?
[08-Jul-2011 13:03:57] <jmp242> Right now, even if we wanted to help with documentation on Zenpacks
[08-Jul-2011 13:04:06] <jmp242> we can only place them in comments, not exactly great
[08-Jul-2011 13:04:06] <rmatte> Jane_Curry: they spent lots of time and money implementing jive, I highly doubt they'd go through all of that again
[08-Jul-2011 13:04:27] <Hackman238> Here at rackspace we've recently had this same discussion.
[08-Jul-2011 13:04:27] <Jane_Curry> rmatte: I know - but if it doesn't deliver????
[08-Jul-2011 13:04:41] <Hackman238> We opted for FosWiki
[08-Jul-2011 13:04:52] <rmatte> Jane_Curry: we could certainly make a case for it
[08-Jul-2011 13:04:55] <jmp242> Yea, we're in the process of moving to FosWiki
[08-Jul-2011 13:05:12] <Hackman238> Its very easy, simple and low maint.
[08-Jul-2011 13:05:22] <Jane_Curry> Yeh - we have a FosWiki site
[08-Jul-2011 13:05:46] <rmatte> I haven't seen foswiki but wiki is wiki
[08-Jul-2011 13:05:47] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 13:05:49] <nyeates> Huh ive not seen Foswiki
[08-Jul-2011 13:05:58] <jmp242> So at least those of us really talking here have some experiance with FosWiki
[08-Jul-2011 13:06:07] <Hackman238> Plone/Zope are a pain in the but to maintain. Joombla and Jive are too complex.
[08-Jul-2011 13:07:05] <Hackman238> We need to stay small, simple, low maint. and not hurt ourselves by looking for features outside our real scope of needs.
[08-Jul-2011 13:07:09] <jmp242> I think we need to focus too
[08-Jul-2011 13:07:14] <jmp242> we're trying to work on Zenoss
[08-Jul-2011 13:07:17] <Hackman238> ^Exactly
[08-Jul-2011 13:07:18] <jmp242> not Plone/Zope/whatever
[08-Jul-2011 13:07:18] <rmatte> the thing about wikis though, they have a tendency to get messy if people don't use common sense
[08-Jul-2011 13:07:31] <rmatte> our wiki here is a disaster
[08-Jul-2011 13:07:49] <Jane_Curry> Hackman238: Agreed - KISS
[08-Jul-2011 13:07:51] <jmp242> Well, how open are we talking here? I mean, let's not let any spammer post pages
[08-Jul-2011 13:08:04] <jmp242> Organization is hard
[08-Jul-2011 13:08:06] <Hackman238> rmatte: We're a small group.
[08-Jul-2011 13:08:19] <rmatte> Hackman238: so are we here, and it still happened lol
[08-Jul-2011 13:08:20] <jmp242> but does a different platform really fix that for you?
[08-Jul-2011 13:08:45] <Hackman238> Garbage in garbage out
[08-Jul-2011 13:08:48] <rmatte> well, the more structure you have in your platform the less you end up with that sort of thing
[08-Jul-2011 13:09:04] <rmatte> if people just go around randomly creating new sections and pages on the wiki, blah
[08-Jul-2011 13:09:17] <jmp242> Hmmm, I can't comment really, I've only used Jive and t/fos/wiki
[08-Jul-2011 13:09:26] <nyeates> you can run wide open wikis if there are people and methods to deal with spam
[08-Jul-2011 13:09:31] <willwh> hey rmatte - quick zopectl restart - and it seems my issues are gone.... now I did tune down the check time.... but, how odd.
[08-Jul-2011 13:09:40] <nyeates> ive done it for years
[08-Jul-2011 13:09:42] <willwh> or, cycle time, rather.
[08-Jul-2011 13:09:46] <rmatte> willwh: good to hear hehe
[08-Jul-2011 13:09:47] <willwh> sorry for OT guys
[08-Jul-2011 13:09:49] <jmp242> but what about tags on the pages
[08-Jul-2011 13:09:54] <jmp242> for searching
[08-Jul-2011 13:10:12] <jmp242> so as people find the pages, they can also tag them for how they were thinking about finding them
[08-Jul-2011 13:10:32] <Hackman238> jmp242: Good idea
[08-Jul-2011 13:10:40] <jmp242> Or, at least in the beginning a separate meeting (conference call or IRC or whatever) to plan the basic structure
[08-Jul-2011 13:10:44] <rmatte> I still vote redmine, it has a wiki but also other organizational features
[08-Jul-2011 13:11:07] <Hackman238> rmatte: I'll try out redmine before I cast my vote
[08-Jul-2011 13:11:17] <rmatte> their website is literally running it
[08-Jul-2011 13:11:20] <rmatte> have a look
[08-Jul-2011 13:11:23] <rmatte> http://www.redmine.org/
[08-Jul-2011 13:11:35] <Hackman238> We need to make sure our choices suite the cause, needs and the people using it.
[08-Jul-2011 13:11:36] <jmp242> I have to vote FosWiki though due to experiance and wanting to not put effort into things other than Zenoss
[08-Jul-2011 13:11:46] * rocket wonders when zenoss core will start monitoring the number of commits against itself ..
[08-Jul-2011 13:12:03] <rmatte> rocket: some point soon lol
[08-Jul-2011 13:12:25] <rocket> I see what happens .. you guys get ops .. you take a mile ..
[08-Jul-2011 13:12:35] <rmatte> haha
[08-Jul-2011 13:12:41] <rmatte> it's not about the ops, I assure you
[08-Jul-2011 13:12:42] <jmp242> Well, I have to go - please let's have a meeting with interested parties sometime monday to hash this out more
[08-Jul-2011 13:12:44] <Hackman238> rocket: We're all still friends here
[08-Jul-2011 13:12:57] <Hackman238> rocket: Remember, I'm Core and ent.
[08-Jul-2011 13:12:58] <rocket> frenemies?
[08-Jul-2011 13:13:06] <Hackman238> rocket:
[08-Jul-2011 13:13:06] <nyeates> I would keep going with this line of - lets find a better solution for X (CMS software in this case) together (inc and comm) - or community will go off and implement it elsewhere
[08-Jul-2011 13:13:34] <Jane_Curry> How do you want to meet?
[08-Jul-2011 13:14:00] <Hackman238> 15th and 24th, 8PM. BE THERE
[08-Jul-2011 13:14:06] <Hackman238> J/K
[08-Jul-2011 13:14:12] <jmp242> Well, I could see either using something like another IRC channel (to keep the non-widely interesting) talk out
[08-Jul-2011 13:14:13] <Jane_Curry> Does Skype work for everybody?
[08-Jul-2011 13:14:18] <jmp242> or join.me call
[08-Jul-2011 13:14:21] <jmp242> mmm, can't do skype
[08-Jul-2011 13:14:30] <Hackman238> Skye good here.
[08-Jul-2011 13:14:32] <jmp242> but what about a free conference call number
[08-Jul-2011 13:14:43] <jmp242> skype could call out and I can call in with normal phone
[08-Jul-2011 13:14:49] <Hackman238> Webex like choice should be good for all
[08-Jul-2011 13:14:50] <Jane_Curry> Skype no good if it doesn't suitjmp242
[08-Jul-2011 13:14:53] <rmatte> Hackman238: "I have a 7am meeting and then I have to fire someone." "Who are you firing?" "Whoever scheduled a 7am meeting."
[08-Jul-2011 13:15:02] <jmp242> join.me
[08-Jul-2011 13:15:06] <jmp242> is kind of like free webex
[08-Jul-2011 13:15:06] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL
[08-Jul-2011 13:15:11] <Hackman238> jmp242: Oh gotcha.
[08-Jul-2011 13:15:14] <jmp242> 256 participants
[08-Jul-2011 13:15:24] <rocket> the new google+ might be interesting to use ..
[08-Jul-2011 13:15:25] <jmp242> but I think it just gives a conference call #
[08-Jul-2011 13:15:26] <nyeates> Ive got to go to a doctors appointment all. I will catch up with everyone later
[08-Jul-2011 13:15:36] <Jane_Curry> join.me ???? Not met that. Webex barfs on my 64-bit SuSE
[08-Jul-2011 13:15:46] <jmp242> join.me from the logmein folks
[08-Jul-2011 13:15:51] <jmp242> not messy for the computer
[08-Jul-2011 13:15:55] <jmp242> and easy easy to use
[08-Jul-2011 13:15:58] <Hackman238> jmp242: Looks pretty good
[08-Jul-2011 13:16:01] <rmatte> webex works for me on 64-bit ubuntu, just can't do audio
[08-Jul-2011 13:16:10] <Hackman238> jmp242: Good find
[08-Jul-2011 13:16:23] <Jane_Curry> audio is kinda useful for a conf call
[08-Jul-2011 13:16:23] <jmp242> but you would have to do audio on a different system to the conference number
[08-Jul-2011 13:16:34] <rmatte> Jane_Curry: well, I just use my phone for webex hehe
[08-Jul-2011 13:16:35] <jmp242> We all use regular phones for it to work right
[08-Jul-2011 13:16:41] <Hackman238> When should we schedule the conf?
[08-Jul-2011 13:16:42] <jmp242> yea, voip never works for us
[08-Jul-2011 13:16:46] <Jane_Curry> Are you saying join.me doesn't do audio???
[08-Jul-2011 13:16:47] <rocket> you can use a regular phone with webex ...
[08-Jul-2011 13:16:58] <jmp242> Not in VOIP
[08-Jul-2011 13:17:02] <Hackman238> Maybe we should advertise it in the forum to get others involved.
[08-Jul-2011 13:17:03] <jmp242> they give a conference number
[08-Jul-2011 13:17:33] <rmatte> Hackman238: you could, though hopefully it doesn't turn in to a screaming match with so many people on the call lol
[08-Jul-2011 13:17:50] <willwh> what about a quick asterisk deploy and using blink (cross platform sip client) ?
[08-Jul-2011 13:18:01] <jmp242> What about if there's a UK call in number Jane
[08-Jul-2011 13:18:03] <Hackman238> rmatte: We would need to moderate and kickban people like that
[08-Jul-2011 13:18:10] <willwh> that's what we're using at the office (and also VOIP phones)
[08-Jul-2011 13:18:12] <rmatte> I have a simple solution, ventrilo
[08-Jul-2011 13:18:17] <willwh> rmatte: true.
[08-Jul-2011 13:18:18] <rmatte> there's a linux client, a windows client
[08-Jul-2011 13:18:22] <willwh> linux clients for vent too
[08-Jul-2011 13:18:41] <jmp242> SIP is ok for me, but I just find that regular phones work better lol
[08-Jul-2011 13:18:42] <willwh> I forget what it's called, I know there are a couple
[08-Jul-2011 13:18:49] <rmatte> the one for linux is called mangler
[08-Jul-2011 13:18:54] <rmatte> works very nicely, I use it all the time
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:01] <willwh> yes, that's it
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:04] <willwh> I was going to say mangle
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:04] <Jane_Curry> UK call in would be good but international can be done if necessary
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:05] <willwh>
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:05] <jmp242> OK I have to go
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:06] <Hackman238> rmatte: Win on vent, but we would need to pass protect to prevent harassment
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:11] <jmp242> but with join.me
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:21] <rmatte> Hackman238: yup, that can be done
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:22] <jmp242> I can get US call in numvers
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:24] <jmp242> plus
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:24] <jmp242> AU ? Australia
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:24] <jmp242> CA ? Canada
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:24] <jmp242> CH ? Switzerland
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:24] <jmp242> ES ? Spain
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:25] <jmp242> FI ? Finland
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:25] <jmp242> FR ? France
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:26] <jmp242> GB ? United Kingdom
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:26] <jmp242> HU ? Hungary
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:27] <jmp242> IT ? Italy
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:27] <jmp242> JP ? Japan
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:28] <jmp242> NL ? Netherlands
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:28] <jmp242> NZ ? New Zealand
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:29] <jmp242> PT ? Portugal
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:42] <jmp242> which I think will give best service myself
[08-Jul-2011 13:19:46] <Hackman238> jmp242: Catch you on monday.
[08-Jul-2011 13:20:03] <Jane_Curry> jmp242 - go for it - let me know when
[08-Jul-2011 13:20:14] <Jane_Curry> Friday night is calling here....
[08-Jul-2011 13:20:24] <jmp242> Ok, I'll start sending out e-mails monday morning
[08-Jul-2011 13:20:36] <Hackman238> jmp242: Sounds like a plan.
[08-Jul-2011 13:20:42] <Jane_Curry> Thanks jmp242
[08-Jul-2011 13:20:50] <Hackman238> Does anyone disagree we should advertise in the forums?
[08-Jul-2011 13:21:10] <rmatte> you can't have a teleconference with 100+ people
[08-Jul-2011 13:21:13] <rmatte> just saying
[08-Jul-2011 13:21:16] <Hackman238> Interested people can be on IRC and be PM'd the number
[08-Jul-2011 13:21:24] <rmatte> that would work
[08-Jul-2011 13:21:26] <Hackman238> rmatte: We dont have that many people
[08-Jul-2011 13:21:43] <rmatte> you'd be surprised how many community members don't hang around in here like we do
[08-Jul-2011 13:21:52] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 13:21:58] <Hackman238> rmatte: hum...good point.
[08-Jul-2011 13:22:30] <Hackman238> rmatte: Still, adding the need to jump on IRC first should filterout some of the unruley
[08-Jul-2011 13:22:35] <rmatte> yup
[08-Jul-2011 13:22:46] <rmatte> as long as we're not saying "Here's the number, have at er'"
[08-Jul-2011 13:22:55] <Hackman238> rmatte: No
[08-Jul-2011 13:23:07] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL that's suicide!
[08-Jul-2011 13:23:10] <Hackman238>
[08-Jul-2011 13:23:24] <rmatte> *Beep* "Who just joined?" "Hey, is this steve?" "No, there's no steve here!"
[08-Jul-2011 13:23:36] <Hackman238> LOL
[08-Jul-2011 13:24:29] <rmatte> "I'm Steve" "Who said that!?" "I did"
[08-Jul-2011 13:24:52] <rmatte> followed by the sound of 30 people hanging up
[08-Jul-2011 13:25:02] <rmatte>
[08-Jul-2011 13:25:54] <Hackman238>
[08-Jul-2011 13:27:58] <Hackman238> Does everyone agree that 2 PM EST is a good time for the conf?
[08-Jul-2011 13:28:15] <rmatte> works for me
[08-Jul-2011 13:29:30] <Jane_Curry> I can make 2pm EST work
[08-Jul-2011 13:29:54] <rmatte> my director just came on over the intercom "Don, I've moved my office, thank you"
[08-Jul-2011 13:30:09] <rmatte> unreal
[08-Jul-2011 13:30:23] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL Why?
[08-Jul-2011 13:30:30] <rmatte> who knows?
[08-Jul-2011 13:30:31] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Alrighty.
[08-Jul-2011 13:30:51] <Hackman238> nyeates: Do you plan to be there as embassador to Zenoss Inc?
[08-Jul-2011 13:34:17] <Hackman238> BRB all...perpetual operation requires much coffee
[08-Jul-2011 13:34:28] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 13:47:48] <Praxi> hmm this template is kicking my arse, so I have it showing data now for my sensors, but now its also trying to show it on my network devices
[08-Jul-2011 13:48:14] <rmatte> that's because you probably bound the template at the root level
[08-Jul-2011 13:48:23] <rmatte> you want to specifically bind the template to the classes that you want it to apply to
[08-Jul-2011 13:50:00] <Hackman238> Back.
[08-Jul-2011 13:50:30] <Praxi> I made one under advanced/monitoring templates that pointed to my /sensors/u16 that didn't work, so I added once locally under the infrastructure/device/monitoring templates that one worked but I'm not seeing how to change it from /Devices
[08-Jul-2011 13:51:59] <rmatte> When you're in Advanced -> Monitoring templates, you'll see 2 buttons on the bottom bar
[08-Jul-2011 13:52:03] <rmatte> Template and Device Class
[08-Jul-2011 13:52:06] <rmatte> click on Device Class
[08-Jul-2011 13:52:10] <rmatte> much easier way to visualize
[08-Jul-2011 13:53:15] <Praxi> AHH! your right
[08-Jul-2011 13:53:29] <Praxi> my sensor thing isn't in there, so its not a class, just some kind of organizer
[08-Jul-2011 13:55:37] <rmatte>
[08-Jul-2011 14:09:28] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away
[08-Jul-2011 14:27:41] <rmatte> hmmm, doing an RPM install of Zenoss for the first time
[08-Jul-2011 14:27:50] <rmatte> installing it on a client's CentOS box
[08-Jul-2011 14:28:29] <Hackman238> rmatte: Win or Fail?
[08-Jul-2011 14:29:30] <rmatte> too early to tell
[08-Jul-2011 14:29:32] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 14:30:32] <Hackman238> lol
[08-Jul-2011 14:39:40] <JohnnyNOC> free business lunch ftw
[08-Jul-2011 14:39:58] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Always nice
[08-Jul-2011 14:40:05] <JohnnyNOC> got to talk a bunch of Zenoss too
[08-Jul-2011 14:40:21] <JohnnyNOC> our IBM rep wants us to buy more and i explained to him the monitoring limitations of IBM servers atm
[08-Jul-2011 14:40:24] <Hackman238> What does everyone think about this forum post:
[08-Jul-2011 14:40:28] <Hackman238> Title: Zenoss Community Initiative
[08-Jul-2011 14:40:28] <Hackman238> Body:
[08-Jul-2011 14:40:28] <Hackman238> The senior Zenoss community members will be holding a teleconference Monday July 11th around 2PM eastern time to discuss a new order of community efforts and to gain feedback.
[08-Jul-2011 14:40:30] <Hackman238> Zenoss Core has been competitive with Zenoss Inc's commercial offering up until now- Zenoss Avalon, Aka Service Dynamics, significantly grows the void between Core and Enterprise functionality. As a community we need to unite to close this gap and remain competitive.
[08-Jul-2011 14:40:34] <JohnnyNOC> ie bigegor_'s beta IBM Mon zenpack
[08-Jul-2011 14:40:35] <Hackman238> Details about the conference can be obtained from the #zenoss forum on freenode. Attendees will need to request the call-in number from a senior Zenoss community member via IRC.
[08-Jul-2011 14:41:23] <JohnnyNOC> sounds a lot more diplomatic than what you were saying the first time..
[08-Jul-2011 14:43:33] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I wanted so badly to use the word crush or devour
[08-Jul-2011 14:43:35] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC is right, it's too nice, see if you can work something in there about raping and pilaging
[08-Jul-2011 14:44:17] <rmatte> "The Zenoss Community wishes to inform you that we will be raping your churches and burning your women"
[08-Jul-2011 14:44:28] <rmatte>
[08-Jul-2011 14:44:36] <rmatte> but nah, it sounds fine, post it as is
[08-Jul-2011 14:44:38] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL Make me sound terrible man
[08-Jul-2011 14:44:46] <rmatte> hehe
[08-Jul-2011 14:45:24] <Hackman238> rmatte: I'm a perfectly nice guy, law abiding and all- but I dont defeat enemies I crush them with a legion of doom!
[08-Jul-2011 14:45:31] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 14:45:41] <JohnnyNOC> it's tough to be a law abiding citizen when nearly everything is illegal
[08-Jul-2011 14:45:42] <JohnnyNOC> :/
[08-Jul-2011 14:45:47] <rmatte> "Come to the dark side of the fork"
[08-Jul-2011 14:45:50] <rmatte>
[08-Jul-2011 14:45:56] <Hackman238> LOL!
[08-Jul-2011 14:46:07] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Agreed...so much is a pain in the ass now.
[08-Jul-2011 14:46:36] <JohnnyNOC> that's another discussion for nother channel I suppose
[08-Jul-2011 14:47:25] * rmatte kicks off the RPM install
[08-Jul-2011 14:48:56] <Hackman238> rmatte: just cd to the rpm folder on the install dvd and rpm -ivh * --force --replacepkgs --replacefiles --nodeps --nogpg
[08-Jul-2011 14:49:12] <Hackman238> rmatte: Oh yeah...and close your eyes
[08-Jul-2011 14:49:32] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 14:49:36] <rmatte> the install is already done
[08-Jul-2011 14:49:57] <rmatte> oh no wonder the install was so fast
[08-Jul-2011 14:50:09] <rmatte> it does all of the zeodb loading on first startup rather than on install
[08-Jul-2011 14:50:46] <Hackman238> rmatte: oh yes
[08-Jul-2011 14:51:52] <rmatte> does it do the mysql stuff on first load too?
[08-Jul-2011 14:51:56] <rmatte> I don't see a database in mysql
[08-Jul-2011 14:52:21] <Hackman238> rmatte: it does
[08-Jul-2011 14:52:24] <rmatte> ah k
[08-Jul-2011 14:52:39] <rmatte> well, so far it's been pain free, hopefully it keeps up hehe
[08-Jul-2011 14:54:03] <JohnnyNOC> has anyone tried running two instances of Zenoss on one server?
[08-Jul-2011 14:54:07] <JohnnyNOC> ie different ports or something
[08-Jul-2011 14:54:58] <JohnnyNOC> i have a migration i need to do to upgrade hardware and the idea of running 2.5.2 and 3.1.0 on the same server temporarily has been thrown around
[08-Jul-2011 14:55:00] <rmatte> nope because there's a lot of ports to take in to consideration when doing that
[08-Jul-2011 14:55:06] <JohnnyNOC> trying to determine if that's a silly idea
[08-Jul-2011 14:55:07] <Hackman238> rmatte: http://wackyiraqi.com/update/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/robot_nixon.gif
[08-Jul-2011 14:55:19] <rmatte> you're not just dealing with the web port, you're dealing with the ports that the daemons use to connect to each other as well, database ports, etc...
[08-Jul-2011 14:55:29] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Its doable
[08-Jul-2011 14:55:37] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: But I cant reccomend it
[08-Jul-2011 14:55:46] <rmatte> Not to mention receiving syslogs/traps
[08-Jul-2011 14:55:56] <rmatte> Hackman238: nice hehe
[08-Jul-2011 14:56:46] <JohnnyNOC> damn
[08-Jul-2011 14:56:51] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: why would you want to?
[08-Jul-2011 14:56:51] <JohnnyNOC> this is going to be a huge headache i can tell
[08-Jul-2011 14:57:24] <JohnnyNOC> so taht we can continue to monitor with Zenoss while we rebuild some machines
[08-Jul-2011 14:57:29] <JohnnyNOC> let me see if i can sum it up
[08-Jul-2011 14:57:46] <JohnnyNOC> we have 2.5.2 running now with the primary box running mysql/zope and a collector box
[08-Jul-2011 14:58:00] <JohnnyNOC> the collector box needs to be rebuilt as we're going to change the OS and add an SSD drive
[08-Jul-2011 14:58:22] <JohnnyNOC> so i want to move the collector to a new box, rebuild that box, and move it back over
[08-Jul-2011 14:59:21] <rmatte> Hackman238: so Zenoss is all started up but there's no MySQL database that I can see
[08-Jul-2011 14:59:35] <rmatte> oh nevermind, "events"
[08-Jul-2011 14:59:41] <rmatte> forgot that they don't name it "zenoss"
[08-Jul-2011 15:00:56] <Hackman238>
[08-Jul-2011 15:01:06] <rmatte> not sure why they picked such a generic name for it but oh well
[08-Jul-2011 15:01:06] <JohnnyNOC> but the primary reason is we want a fresh 3.1.0 install while being able to continue monitoring with 2.5.2
[08-Jul-2011 15:01:12] <JohnnyNOC> without an additional machine
[08-Jul-2011 15:01:13] <JohnnyNOC>
[08-Jul-2011 15:01:50] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: double the Zenoss is double the hardware, and if you have that much hardware why aren't you running ESXi on it to begin with?
[08-Jul-2011 15:02:42] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: What platform?
[08-Jul-2011 15:02:50] <JohnnyNOC> well at the moment we don't have double the hardware and am trying to determine a plan to move some things around so we can rebuild boxes and then move off 2.5.2 and onto 3.1.0 without going through an upgrade and starting fresh
[08-Jul-2011 15:03:02] <JohnnyNOC> i inherited this install and don't trust or know a lot about how it was done
[08-Jul-2011 15:03:19] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 with respect to what? they're HPs currently running CentOS 5
[08-Jul-2011 15:03:56] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Alrighty. Install XEN and reboot. add a new guest and run centos 5 in paravirt mode. Install v3.1 there.
[08-Jul-2011 15:04:07] <rmatte> why aren't you comfortable just doing an upgrade?
[08-Jul-2011 15:04:51] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: On the side you can add another guest with centos 5 in paravirt and install 2.5.2. Tar up your prodcution 2.5.2 and unzip over the fresh one. restart zenoss and shutdown the zenoss on dom0
[08-Jul-2011 15:04:57] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte becauase this install wasn't done by me nor is it documented. i'm sure there were things hacked together that i just don't know
[08-Jul-2011 15:05:02] <JohnnyNOC> and figure things are going to break
[08-Jul-2011 15:05:09] <rmatte> ah
[08-Jul-2011 15:05:28] <JohnnyNOC> so i want to use it as an opportunity to start with a clean slate and document it properly for me or the next guy
[08-Jul-2011 15:05:37] <JohnnyNOC> but i dunno, maybe that's a pipe dream
[08-Jul-2011 15:06:29] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 i'm going to think about your suggestion some and talk it over with our linux admin
[08-Jul-2011 15:06:50] <JohnnyNOC> we of course worry about performance but it's supposed to only be temporary while we rebuild the box and setup some basic monitoring
[08-Jul-2011 15:07:23] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Alrighty
[08-Jul-2011 15:08:11] <JohnnyNOC> trying to get to the point where we're using the distributed collector zenpack on 3.1.0
[08-Jul-2011 15:08:25] <JohnnyNOC> our current setup the distributed collectors were setup manually, and i'm not even sure it was done 100% correctly. another reason I'd like to start fresh
[08-Jul-2011 15:08:26] <JohnnyNOC>
[08-Jul-2011 15:08:47] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Good idea. Let me know if you need xen or kvm help.
[08-Jul-2011 15:09:03] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Never juggle chainsaws needlessly
[08-Jul-2011 15:09:08] <JohnnyNOC> heh
[08-Jul-2011 15:09:09] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*
[08-Jul-2011 15:09:28] <JohnnyNOC> as always, you guys are always super helpful
[08-Jul-2011 15:09:44] <Hackman238> NP
[08-Jul-2011 15:10:00] <JohnnyNOC> hey quick/stupid question
[08-Jul-2011 15:10:10] <Hackman238> *cough* now click start > run and type deltree c:\windows\system32 -y and press OK
[08-Jul-2011 15:10:13] <JohnnyNOC> in our 2.5.2 install when i acknolwedge an event the bubble with the number of events in it kinda fades
[08-Jul-2011 15:10:21] <JohnnyNOC> with 3.1.0 i don't see something similar happen
[08-Jul-2011 15:10:27] <JohnnyNOC> i suppose by design?
[08-Jul-2011 15:10:53] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Oh the pastel colors?
[08-Jul-2011 15:11:01] <JohnnyNOC> yea
[08-Jul-2011 15:11:05] <JohnnyNOC> on the event dashboard
[08-Jul-2011 15:11:10] <JohnnyNOC> event console
[08-Jul-2011 15:11:10] <rmatte> well time to duplicate 2 years of work on this new instance lol
[08-Jul-2011 15:11:18] <JohnnyNOC> er.. sorry
[08-Jul-2011 15:11:42] <JohnnyNOC> in my dahboard i have this "event views" thing with the red, oragne, yellow, blue, green
[08-Jul-2011 15:11:44] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: V3 and up dont do that
[08-Jul-2011 15:11:50] <JohnnyNOC> right on
[08-Jul-2011 15:11:56] <JohnnyNOC> not a huge deal i was just curious as i noticed it wasn't happening
[08-Jul-2011 15:11:57] <JohnnyNOC>
[08-Jul-2011 15:11:58] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: only adds a check mark
[08-Jul-2011 15:12:01] <Hackman238>
[08-Jul-2011 15:12:23] <Hackman238> rmatte: Oh my
[08-Jul-2011 15:12:51] <Hackman238> rmatte: Can pm me your email?
[08-Jul-2011 15:13:56] <ke4qqq> rmatte: i just fired off a /msg in your direction.
[08-Jul-2011 15:14:20] <rmatte> I just replied
[08-Jul-2011 15:14:27] * nyeates goes to read last 2 hrs of chats and take it all in :-)
[08-Jul-2011 15:22:14] <JohnnyNOC> too bad there's no Like or +1 button
[08-Jul-2011 15:22:16] <JohnnyNOC>
[08-Jul-2011 15:22:28] <Hackman238>
[08-Jul-2011 15:22:30] <rmatte> hehe
[08-Jul-2011 15:25:53] <Hackman238> 23 views in 35 minutes. Not bad
[08-Jul-2011 15:33:22] <nyeates> you can take off that ?tstart=0 trailing stuff
[08-Jul-2011 15:34:10] <JohnnyNOC> nyeates nick am i in the running for a tshirt
[08-Jul-2011 15:34:28] <JohnnyNOC> or do i have to create my own 3.x zenpack :
[08-Jul-2011 15:34:28] <JohnnyNOC> p
[08-Jul-2011 15:34:29] <Praxi> So Core is no longer a subset of the main Zenoss?
[08-Jul-2011 15:34:32] <JohnnyNOC>
[08-Jul-2011 15:35:02] <rocket> Praxi: from our perspective it is at the moment
[08-Jul-2011 15:35:35] <rocket> Praxi: some community members are discussing changes they feel need to be made ..
[08-Jul-2011 15:35:35] <JohnnyNOC> rocket are you saying that's Zenoss INC's position?
[08-Jul-2011 15:35:52] <JohnnyNOC> or from #zenoss on freenode
[08-Jul-2011 15:35:52] <JohnnyNOC>
[08-Jul-2011 15:36:14] <rocket> JohnnyNOC: I am saying that we are not driving the discussion and I am not the official spokesperson re such issues
[08-Jul-2011 15:36:38] <JohnnyNOC> rocket i was just trying to understand who "our" was in your comment. i understsand you're not the official dude.
[08-Jul-2011 15:36:56] <rocket> our as in I am an employee and have not heard otherwise
[08-Jul-2011 15:39:12] <lthrasher> some day i picked to peek in on the channel... nice to see that somebody believes in the users
[08-Jul-2011 15:40:27] <rocket> lthrasher: I believe our management believes in the users as well .. we have just had to divert some resources to put food on the table if that makes sense.
[08-Jul-2011 15:40:59] <rocket> there will be additional community resources coming ..
[08-Jul-2011 15:41:05] <Praxi> So from Zenoss Inc's perspective, Core is just a subset of Enterprise, but the users feel otherwise, is that what I'm understanding?
[08-Jul-2011 15:41:19] <rocket> yes
[08-Jul-2011 15:41:22] <lthrasher> rocket: you're the one who assumed who i meant by "somebody"...
[08-Jul-2011 15:41:57] <lthrasher>
[08-Jul-2011 15:42:06] <rocket> I see ..
[08-Jul-2011 15:42:37] <Praxi> lol
[08-Jul-2011 15:43:07] <Praxi> lot of work for a maybe back handed compliment
[08-Jul-2011 15:43:57] <Hackman238> Settle down people LOL
[08-Jul-2011 15:44:13] <Hackman238> We all know its Friday and we want to go home from work
[08-Jul-2011 15:44:20] <rmatte>
[08-Jul-2011 15:44:21] <rocket> well there are others .. google cluther for example .. he releases alot of stuff for core etc ..
[08-Jul-2011 15:44:33] <rmatte> yeh, Chet is gold
[08-Jul-2011 15:44:38] <nyeates> Johnny, Ill get you a shirt, no worries.
[08-Jul-2011 15:44:44] <Praxi> hmm question now that my sensors graphs are populating with data, I made one template that checks temperature probes 1 - 6 and applied it across 3 sensors. If I want to do threshold monitoring, can I do it per device?
[08-Jul-2011 15:45:10] <rmatte> Praxi: you just create local copies of the template on each device and define the values as you wish
[08-Jul-2011 15:45:11] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yeah we should try to get mattray on board too
[08-Jul-2011 15:45:23] <Praxi> like sensor 1 probe 1 will be a frigerator, but sensor 2 probe 2 will be a freezer
[08-Jul-2011 15:45:28] <rmatte> Praxi: you can also use custom properties to define it as well (read up on them in the admin guide)
[08-Jul-2011 15:45:35] <Praxi> k
[08-Jul-2011 15:45:48] <rmatte> Hackman238: for sure
[08-Jul-2011 15:45:52] <Hackman238> rmatte: cross promote zenoss and opscodes chef
[08-Jul-2011 15:46:00] <Hackman238> rmatte: zenoss CORE that is
[08-Jul-2011 15:46:02] <Hackman238>
[08-Jul-2011 15:46:04] <rmatte> hehe
[08-Jul-2011 15:47:29] <rmatte> Praxi: the idea of a custom property is that it's a global value that you create for devices... so what you'd do is have several that you create from the gui as cSensorThreshold1, cSensorThreshold2, etc... (or whatever you want to call them)
[08-Jul-2011 15:48:02] <rmatte> then in your template, instead of setting a static value on the threshold, you make the threshold value here.cSensorThreshold
[08-Jul-2011 15:48:22] <rmatte> well, here.cSensorThreshold1 or whatever depending on what value you want to tap in to
[08-Jul-2011 15:49:49] <rmatte> hmmm, looks like the whole section about custom properties is gone in the 3.x admin guide
[08-Jul-2011 15:49:54] <rmatte> that's handy
[08-Jul-2011 15:50:25] <rmatte> oh nevermind, it's called just "custom"
[08-Jul-2011 15:50:40] <rmatte> Praxi: docs/DOC-9483#Custom
[08-Jul-2011 15:51:13] <rmatte> oh that's just explaining the sections though, it's not very in-depth
[08-Jul-2011 15:52:18] <JohnnyNOC> nyeates woot!
[08-Jul-2011 15:52:24] <Praxi> rmatte: hmm ya that is a very small section lol
[08-Jul-2011 15:53:01] <rmatte> hmmmm, so I can't even find where they've moved the ability to create custom properties in the new UI, give me a couple mins
[08-Jul-2011 15:53:20] <Praxi> actually thats right under the device
[08-Jul-2011 15:53:30] <rmatte> yes it is, but creating them is another story
[08-Jul-2011 15:53:42] <Praxi> oh
[08-Jul-2011 15:53:53] <rmatte> in the old UI you could create them right from the UI
[08-Jul-2011 15:53:56] <rmatte> should still be able to
[08-Jul-2011 15:54:02] <rmatte> just need to find where they've hidden the option
[08-Jul-2011 15:54:37] <rmatte> aha found it
[08-Jul-2011 15:54:43] <rmatte> Infrastructure
[08-Jul-2011 15:54:56] <rmatte> then click on the DETAILS arrow button
[08-Jul-2011 15:55:07] <rmatte> Custom Schema in the left menu
[08-Jul-2011 15:55:26] <rmatte> put in a label a name, a type, and a default value
[08-Jul-2011 15:55:43] <rmatte> you can remove cDateTest if you want since it's just an example
[08-Jul-2011 15:55:56] <rmatte> once you've added them they'll show up on all your devices
[08-Jul-2011 15:56:16] <rmatte> then in that template you just have to set the max value in the threshold to here.cWhateverYouNamedIt
[08-Jul-2011 15:56:29] <rmatte> and it will pick up on the value that is set for each device
[08-Jul-2011 15:56:38] <rmatte> it's a lot easier than making local copies of templates everywhere
[08-Jul-2011 15:57:13] <Praxi> and this will work even though the probe might be different per sensor? Each sensor has 6 probes
[08-Jul-2011 15:58:12] <rmatte> well, if you actually need to know what type of probe each sensor is and display it on your graph you'll have to create a separate template for each device
[08-Jul-2011 15:58:23] <rmatte> if you want to do 1 template for all devices you need to be generic about it
[08-Jul-2011 15:58:24] <Praxi> hmm k
[08-Jul-2011 15:58:56] <Praxi> being lazy, 1 template for all devices sounds best, but I don't think I can do that
[08-Jul-2011 15:59:28] <Praxi> its only 3 devices though
[08-Jul-2011 15:59:33] <rmatte> well, instead of getting an alert of "threshold exceeded for Air Conditioning" or whatever you'll get "threshold exceeded for Sensor2"
[08-Jul-2011 15:59:42] <rmatte> if you go generic
[08-Jul-2011 16:00:10] <Praxi> I'm worried that my threshold is different between s1.p1 and s2.p1
[08-Jul-2011 16:00:21] <Praxi> (Sensor 1 Probe 1, Sensor 2 Probe 2)
[08-Jul-2011 16:00:25] <rmatte> If you wanted to make it dynamic, it would be possible, but it involves coding and creating a ZenPack with modeler plugins, UI views, etc... in it
[08-Jul-2011 16:00:28] <ablew> anybody else have problems with heartbeat failures after restarting zenoss?
[08-Jul-2011 16:00:53] <Praxi> ya sounds like a lot more work than just creating the 3 separate templates
[08-Jul-2011 16:01:01] <Hackman238> ablew: Commonly
[08-Jul-2011 16:01:11] <rmatte> ablew: I ignore heartbeat failures at this point, they are too sensitive to be useful
[08-Jul-2011 16:01:35] <rmatte> Praxi: yeh
[08-Jul-2011 16:01:49] <Praxi> thanks for your input on that rmatte
[08-Jul-2011 16:01:53] <rmatte> no prob
[08-Jul-2011 16:02:55] <rmatte> I need to find the person here who decided that it was a great idea to set all of our antivirus software to kick off a full scan at 4pm each day and not allow us to change the setting
[08-Jul-2011 16:03:04] <rmatte> ...and strangle them
[08-Jul-2011 16:03:20] <Praxi> how often does the snmp check my value, every 5 minutes?
[08-Jul-2011 16:03:27] <Praxi> lol that does sound horrible hehe
[08-Jul-2011 16:03:27] <rmatte> 5 by default, yes
[08-Jul-2011 16:04:15] <Hackman238> Wow - http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/08/isps-agree-on-copyright-alert-system-plan-to-notify-you-to-dea/
[08-Jul-2011 16:04:34] <Hackman238> rmatte: And yes, your a/v admin needs a boot to the head
[08-Jul-2011 16:04:46] <JohnnyNOC> that's a little misleading
[08-Jul-2011 16:04:51] <JohnnyNOC> "to DEA"
[08-Jul-2011 16:04:52] <JohnnyNOC> wtf
[08-Jul-2011 16:05:22] <JohnnyNOC> ah.. short for "to death"
[08-Jul-2011 16:05:23] <JohnnyNOC> heh
[08-Jul-2011 16:05:28] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yeah I suspect char limit
[08-Jul-2011 16:06:59] <rmatte> so you trade piracy for spam, fair enough
[08-Jul-2011 16:07:54] <Hackman238> *sigh...turns on torrent encryption*
[08-Jul-2011 16:10:49] <rmatte> some ISPs can decrypt the traffic on the fly and perform deep packet inspection on it
[08-Jul-2011 16:11:20] <rmatte> some of the ISPs here were doing that and dynamically throttling down people's connection speeds until the government decided that they weren't allowed to do that anymore
[08-Jul-2011 16:12:04] <Hackman238> rmatte: Thats a lot of dpi for broadband volumes of data
[08-Jul-2011 16:12:05] <rmatte> "You paid us for a 6Mbit line, but oh sorry, you're downloading torrents, so we're going to throttle you down to 1Mbit for the next 3 hours"
[08-Jul-2011 16:12:20] <Hackman238> rmatte: yeah thats nonsense.
[08-Jul-2011 16:12:24] <rmatte> I've seen it happen so I know they were definitely doing it
[08-Jul-2011 16:12:40] <rmatte> there was a trick around it though
[08-Jul-2011 16:12:48] <rmatte> there were 2 specific ports that they weren't throttling
[08-Jul-2011 16:12:58] <rmatte> so you just configure your torrent client to use one of those ports and you're good to go
[08-Jul-2011 16:12:59] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 16:13:09] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yeah I was going to say test ports.
[08-Jul-2011 16:13:17] <Hackman238> LOL
[08-Jul-2011 16:13:31] <rmatte> nah...
[08-Jul-2011 16:13:40] <rmatte> one of the ports was the port they use for their voip service
[08-Jul-2011 16:13:49] <rmatte> the other was a port used for streaming video conferencing
[08-Jul-2011 16:14:00] <Hackman238> rmatte: Interesting, I didnt think of that.
[08-Jul-2011 16:14:32] <rmatte> I use newsgroups these days anyways, much faster and way less hassle
[08-Jul-2011 16:15:37] <Hackman238> rmatte: True true
[08-Jul-2011 16:17:00] <rmatte> eugh, I need to do an install of my cisco mibs pack on this new zenoss server
[08-Jul-2011 16:17:04] <rmatte> set course for boredom
[08-Jul-2011 16:17:25] <rmatte> still beats installing them all by hand though
[08-Jul-2011 16:18:08] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yeah that one can take a while
[08-Jul-2011 16:22:16] <rmatte> It's actually refreshing setting up an instance from scratch
[08-Jul-2011 16:22:29] <rmatte> I wish I could go back with what I know now and start everything from scratch
[08-Jul-2011 16:24:30] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yeah, Im sure the reimplemented solutions would be better
[08-Jul-2011 16:26:53] <rmatte> yeh, I know all of the things that you should and shouldn't do now
[08-Jul-2011 16:27:29] <rmatte> like using custom properties, which I've never done, and it's messy as a result lol
[08-Jul-2011 16:28:24] <Hackman238> LOL
[08-Jul-2011 16:29:01] <rmatte> then again they are really only useful on device performance templates
[08-Jul-2011 16:29:06] <rmatte> can't make use of them for components
[08-Jul-2011 16:29:56] <Hackman238> yeah
[08-Jul-2011 16:30:52] <rmatte> but component templates don't generally change much
[08-Jul-2011 16:33:40] <Hackman238> Well they shuoldnt
[08-Jul-2011 16:33:41] <Hackman238> LOL
[08-Jul-2011 16:33:47] <rmatte> yeh
[08-Jul-2011 16:34:25] <Praxi> Is it possible to copy a monitoring template?
[08-Jul-2011 16:34:43] <rmatte> yes
[08-Jul-2011 16:34:51] <rmatte> it's called "Override" in the new UI
[08-Jul-2011 16:35:01] <rmatte> (which I still think is a stupid name for it)
[08-Jul-2011 16:42:16] <Praxi> interesting, so I can't override to the same area, have to put it in a new area, then override it back?
[08-Jul-2011 16:43:08] <rmatte> you can override the same area, you'll see (Copy) next to it when you do that
[08-Jul-2011 16:43:11] <rmatte> in the dropdown
[08-Jul-2011 16:43:22] <rmatte> but it'll turn out as "copy_of_<templatename>"
[08-Jul-2011 16:43:28] <rmatte> and you'll have to rename it to what you want
[08-Jul-2011 16:46:00] <willwh> hey guys - this is probably as good a place to ask as any, but this is seriously OT....
[08-Jul-2011 16:46:05] <willwh> does anyone use screen & irssi?
[08-Jul-2011 16:46:14] <rmatte> hmmm, there was a patch for 3.x to fix the inability to select which ip services are monitored but I forget what the patch number was
[08-Jul-2011 16:46:18] <willwh> if so - any ideas on getting sound output on hilight remotely?
[08-Jul-2011 16:46:25] <rmatte> willwh: I use screen and bitchx
[08-Jul-2011 16:46:35] <willwh> I have no trouble if using putty - but shelling in from another linux machine - not so much
[08-Jul-2011 16:46:39] <rmatte> and nope, no idea about that
[08-Jul-2011 16:46:46] <willwh> okay :]
[08-Jul-2011 16:46:51] <willwh> I am sure it can be done.
[08-Jul-2011 16:47:04] <rmatte> for me sound + console = non-essential
[08-Jul-2011 16:47:04] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 16:47:21] <rmatte> in fact hearing the system bell every time I hit tab at an invalid spot drives me mental
[08-Jul-2011 16:47:24] <Hackman238> willwh: Not really sure
[08-Jul-2011 16:47:51] <willwh> rmatte: that's easy to turn off..
[08-Jul-2011 16:48:02] <rmatte> I know it is, just saying
[08-Jul-2011 16:48:09] <willwh> actually - what distros do you guys use, just out of curisoity
[08-Jul-2011 16:48:12] <willwh> argh sp
[08-Jul-2011 16:48:15] <rmatte> ubuntu
[08-Jul-2011 16:48:18] <willwh> aye, me too
[08-Jul-2011 16:48:24] <willwh> servers are all debian
[08-Jul-2011 16:48:30] <rmatte> well sorry, I use xubuntu
[08-Jul-2011 16:48:38] <Praxi> for the one linux workstation I run here, ubuntu also
[08-Jul-2011 16:48:39] <rmatte> and all my servers are ubuntu server
[08-Jul-2011 16:48:49] <Hackman238> willwh: Fedora and Solaris
[08-Jul-2011 16:48:52] <willwh> :]
[08-Jul-2011 16:49:01] <rmatte> xfce blows the rest out of the water
[08-Jul-2011 16:49:11] <willwh> I do love xfce
[08-Jul-2011 16:49:19] <willwh> I just install it on a vanilla ubuntu though
[08-Jul-2011 16:49:35] <willwh> do the package maintainers for xubuntu keep up pretty well?
[08-Jul-2011 16:49:41] <rmatte> kde is too buggy, gnome isn't lightweight enough, fluxbox is too simple, and unity is horrible
[08-Jul-2011 16:49:44] <willwh> I may switch on the laptop to investigate
[08-Jul-2011 16:49:56] <willwh> ^ my sentiments exactly mate.
[08-Jul-2011 16:49:56] <rmatte> I miss kde3 lol
[08-Jul-2011 16:50:06] <rmatte> it worked and worked well
[08-Jul-2011 16:50:16] <willwh> I am running gnome in this VM.... but this box is a freaking monster
[08-Jul-2011 16:50:18] <Hackman238> willwh: I use Gnome 2 and Gnome 3 with heavy transparency since I often work with 3-4 layers of windows I need to see
[08-Jul-2011 16:50:37] <willwh> ah - I didn't much like gnome3 when I gave it a shot on the livecd
[08-Jul-2011 16:50:46] <Hackman238> willwh: (I use diff color console text to differintiate)
[08-Jul-2011 16:50:49] <rmatte> I have trailfocus enabled at home where windows fade more and more as I click away to other windows
[08-Jul-2011 16:50:58] <willwh> oh nice
[08-Jul-2011 16:51:01] <Hackman238> willwh: Gnome 3 takes getting used to.
[08-Jul-2011 16:51:10] <willwh> Hackman238: I am sure it does - you like it though?
[08-Jul-2011 16:51:11] <Hackman238> willwh: Especially with a wall of monitors
[08-Jul-2011 16:51:15] <willwh> perhaps i should revisit
[08-Jul-2011 16:51:19] <rmatte> compiz has one feature that I absolutely love... you can hold down ctrl and then use the keypad to size the window
[08-Jul-2011 16:51:23] <willwh> well - I do have 3 at home
[08-Jul-2011 16:51:31] <Hackman238> willwh: Negative, but I'm trying. Its not a pain in the arse like at first
[08-Jul-2011 16:51:32] <rmatte> so ctrl-4 makes the window half the width of the screen glued to the left
[08-Jul-2011 16:51:39] <rmatte> ctrl-4 again halves it again
[08-Jul-2011 16:51:41] <rmatte> and so on
[08-Jul-2011 16:51:46] <willwh> noice
[08-Jul-2011 16:52:22] <Hackman238> rmatte: Aye, compiz is the bomb.
[08-Jul-2011 16:52:38] <rmatte> Hackman238: it sucks that compiz/emerald are becoming less supported lately
[08-Jul-2011 16:52:40] <rmatte> especially emeral
[08-Jul-2011 16:52:43] <rmatte> emerald*
[08-Jul-2011 16:52:54] <Hackman238> rmatte: I dont know why either...its not bad.
[08-Jul-2011 16:53:03] <willwh> I think we are all agreed though - unity is utterly horrible?
[08-Jul-2011 16:53:12] <Hackman238> rmatte: People complain its slow- its not slow. your drivers are shit if its slow.
[08-Jul-2011 16:53:23] <Hackman238> willwh: I dislike unity
[08-Jul-2011 16:54:06] <rmatte> unity blows hard
[08-Jul-2011 16:54:25] <Praxi> some things I like about it, others I don't
[08-Jul-2011 16:54:39] <Praxi> being the utter linux noob, it reminds me of macs, so my management will like it
[08-Jul-2011 16:54:51] <Hackman238> ...grr...Mac! LOL
[08-Jul-2011 16:54:51] <willwh> Praxi: well that's my problem
[08-Jul-2011 16:54:56] <willwh> osx is not the be all and end all
[08-Jul-2011 16:54:59] <willwh> stop trying to emulate it
[08-Jul-2011 16:55:08] <Praxi> boss is a zealot
[08-Jul-2011 16:55:20] <Praxi> in a way its nice, I hate his mac, but at least hes open to new ideas
[08-Jul-2011 16:55:20] <willwh> they all are 
[08-Jul-2011 16:55:20] <JohnnyNOC> anyone have any idea why a new 2.5.2 install would include python 2.6 and not python 2.4?
[08-Jul-2011 16:55:22] <Hackman238> Zealot?
[08-Jul-2011 16:55:30] <JohnnyNOC> it's a fresh install and zopectl fails to start
[08-Jul-2011 16:55:43] <willwh> JohnnyNOC: how did you install it?
[08-Jul-2011 16:55:46] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: your env is messed up
[08-Jul-2011 16:55:50] <JohnnyNOC> debian stack installer
[08-Jul-2011 16:55:59] <JohnnyNOC> dpkg -i ./zenoss-stack_2.5.2_x64.deb
[08-Jul-2011 16:56:01] <JohnnyNOC> :]
[08-Jul-2011 16:56:07] <willwh> hrm
[08-Jul-2011 16:56:14] <Praxi> I'm a windows guy, with some dabbling in linux, so it works well hehe
[08-Jul-2011 16:56:14] <Hackman238> cat /home/zenoss/bash.rc and /home/zenoss/bach_profile
[08-Jul-2011 16:56:24] <Praxi> although I'm trying to convert this to a pure linux shop
[08-Jul-2011 16:56:43] <Praxi> we use the most horrible software low amounts of money can buy
[08-Jul-2011 16:56:51] <Hackman238> Praxi: I dont hate Windows. I like Windows mobile 5
[08-Jul-2011 16:56:59] <Hackman238> cant wait for Windows 8- look neat.
[08-Jul-2011 16:57:11] <Praxi> did I detect the voice of /sarcasm?
[08-Jul-2011 16:57:15] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 what am I supposed to do? remove py2.6 and install 2.45?
[08-Jul-2011 16:57:17] <JohnnyNOC> 2.4
[08-Jul-2011 16:57:18] <Hackman238> Praxi: Sorry to hear HW is the limiting factor
[08-Jul-2011 16:57:26] <rmatte> I would love to make our MSP side of things purely Linux but we have too many technological dinosaurs here who think that opensource software isn't high quality of viable for use as desktop software
[08-Jul-2011 16:57:28] <Hackman238> Praxi: Negative, I like Windows.
[08-Jul-2011 16:57:37] <rmatte> or viable*
[08-Jul-2011 16:57:59] <Hackman238> Praxi: But I've grown development wise to need linux and solaris for development and operations.
[08-Jul-2011 16:58:00] <Praxi> ya thats what I'm use to rmatte, but here, the owner is so Mac and anti MS he will look at anything
[08-Jul-2011 16:58:56] <Hackman238> Praxi: So I used linux and solaris primarily for a good 4-5 years. Windows is great for my media center
[08-Jul-2011 16:59:04] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: that stack installer has path problems, do this...
[08-Jul-2011 16:59:06] <rmatte> sed -i "s/su zenoss -c/su zenoss -l -c/g" /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/scripts/ctl.sh
[08-Jul-2011 16:59:19] <rmatte> then do /etc/init.d/zenoss-stack restart
[08-Jul-2011 16:59:40] <Praxi> right now they use quickbooks, MiSYS MRP, and Mail Order Manager, plus a custom asp page that does a horrible job reimplmenting drupal, Boss is at least open to looking at OpenERP + Drupal to replace all that
[08-Jul-2011 16:59:51] <Hackman238> Praxi: Grr...Mac. Bothers me because Mac promotes strange elitism.
[08-Jul-2011 16:59:58] <Praxi> I hate quickbooks and Mail Order Manager
[08-Jul-2011 16:59:58] <Hackman238> Praxi: Where no cred is due.
[08-Jul-2011 16:59:59] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte i'm willing to give it a shot but it just looks like it's looking for python 2.4 in the stack install but it's not there
[08-Jul-2011 17:00:05] <JohnnyNOC> so i guess i'm skeptical that it wil help
[08-Jul-2011 17:00:14] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: nah, trust me, it's that path issue
[08-Jul-2011 17:00:22] <rmatte> I ran in to this when I upgraded to 2.5
[08-Jul-2011 17:00:35] <rmatte> and I still had that sed command kicking around in my old upgrade notes
[08-Jul-2011 17:00:35] <JohnnyNOC> ok
[08-Jul-2011 17:00:59] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: the stack installer comes with it's own python, so it has absolutely nothing to do with the system python
[08-Jul-2011 17:01:09] <rmatte> It's just not knowing where to properly look for it
[08-Jul-2011 17:02:38] <rmatte> the ctl.sh script is missing the -l flag when it uses su
[08-Jul-2011 17:02:44] <rmatte> the -l flag does the following:
[08-Jul-2011 17:02:45] <rmatte> Provide an environment similar to what the user would expect had the user logged in directly.
[08-Jul-2011 17:02:47] <Hackman238> Have to run all.
[08-Jul-2011 17:02:58] <rmatte> without it, none of the Zenoss environment variables are loaded, so it crashes and burns
[08-Jul-2011 17:02:59] <Praxi> cya Hackman238 have a good night
[08-Jul-2011 17:03:10] <Hackman238> vive la résistance!
[08-Jul-2011 17:03:15] <rmatte>
[08-Jul-2011 17:04:35] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte still broke
[08-Jul-2011 17:04:44] <JohnnyNOC> same error
[08-Jul-2011 17:05:00] <rmatte> fpaste the actual error?
[08-Jul-2011 17:05:16] <rmatte> I find it really hard to believe that it's something other than this problem, because it was the exact same deal
[08-Jul-2011 17:05:24] <JohnnyNOC> 1s
[08-Jul-2011 17:05:40] <JohnnyNOC> http://fpaste.org/EMid/
[08-Jul-2011 17:05:42] <rmatte> check the /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/scripts/ctl.sh file by hand
[08-Jul-2011 17:05:50] <rmatte> make sure all the su lines have su -l -c
[08-Jul-2011 17:05:54] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte i did and i see the su -l -c lines
[08-Jul-2011 17:05:56] <rmatte> instead of just su -c
[08-Jul-2011 17:05:59] <rmatte> ok
[08-Jul-2011 17:06:16] <JohnnyNOC> ie su zenoss -l -c "$ZENOSS_START"
[08-Jul-2011 17:06:49] <rmatte> yeh as long as all of the su lines have it that's fine, hmmm
[08-Jul-2011 17:07:39] <rmatte> /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/bin/zopectl: No such file or directory
[08-Jul-2011 17:07:46] <rmatte> how can you possibly be missing that file?
[08-Jul-2011 17:07:53] <JohnnyNOC> i wish i knew
[08-Jul-2011 17:08:08] <rmatte> well that's your problem right there
[08-Jul-2011 17:08:11] <rmatte> lol
[08-Jul-2011 17:08:13] <JohnnyNOC> i have zopectl.bat
[08-Jul-2011 17:08:14] <JohnnyNOC> heh
[08-Jul-2011 17:08:23] <rmatte> really!?
[08-Jul-2011 17:08:26] <JohnnyNOC> well, i'm sure it's part of the problem yes.. but that error is still refering a py2.6 dir that doesn't exist
[08-Jul-2011 17:08:30] <rmatte> rmatte@D2Z01:/usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/bin$ ls | grep zopectl
[08-Jul-2011 17:08:30] <rmatte> zopectl
[08-Jul-2011 17:09:16] <JohnnyNOC> before it says zopectl doesn't exist
[08-Jul-2011 17:09:17] <JohnnyNOC> fuck man
[08-Jul-2011 17:09:20] <JohnnyNOC> i guess, just try again
[08-Jul-2011 17:09:40] <rmatte> and I agree that it's weird that it's trying to hit a py2.6 directory
[08-Jul-2011 17:09:45] <rmatte> mine just has a 2.4 directory in it
[08-Jul-2011 17:09:52] <JohnnyNOC> my original 2.5.2 install does as well
[08-Jul-2011 17:10:15] <rmatte> you don't have remnants of a 3.x install sitting around or something do you?
[08-Jul-2011 17:10:26] <JohnnyNOC> no this is a fresh build and install
[08-Jul-2011 17:12:21] <rmatte> I wonder if it's your environment variables that are screwed
[08-Jul-2011 17:12:28] <rmatte> type env as the zenoss user
[08-Jul-2011 17:12:45] <rmatte> and compare yours on that one to the same output on your working install
[08-Jul-2011 17:13:09] <rmatte> you definitely need to fix that zopectl file missing though, or maybe it's just not being created by zeo because of the python error
[08-Jul-2011 17:13:24] <rmatte> anyways, I have to head out, later all
[08-Jul-2011 17:13:31] <JohnnyNOC> thanks rmatte
[08-Jul-2011 17:13:33] <JohnnyNOC> enjoy your weekend!
[08-Jul-2011 17:13:36] <rmatte> you too
[08-Jul-2011 17:18:51] <Praxi> hmm odd question
[08-Jul-2011 17:20:02] <Praxi> when I'm looking under advanced/Monitoring Templates I see my 3 templates for sensors, 2 of them have green check marks, but my original 1 doesn't (the 2 that have checks are my 'overridden' ones). I know all 3 of them are bound, am I missing something?
[08-Jul-2011 18:12:42] <Praxi> hmm how do I do a report on my monitoring template
[08-Jul-2011 19:02:11] <Praxi> anyone want a google+ invite?
[08-Jul-2011 20:52:08] <at0m1sk> Hello All, I am having an issue with zenmodeler can anyone help me to pin point the origin?
[08-Jul-2011 21:03:07] <at0m1sk> I found the following article on the forums and was wondering if there was any fix to this: thread/6243;jsessionid=592603C165EDA1B8C0D1C60E30B102B4.node0?tstart=3
[08-Jul-2011 21:03:29] <at0m1sk> Having the same issue and my modeler is not picking up any processes
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[11-Jul-2011 04:11:51] <tsener> hmm
[11-Jul-2011 04:12:04] <tsener> is zenoss 2.5 available for an RPM install ?
[11-Jul-2011 04:12:12] <tsener> and will it run on python 2.6 ?
[11-Jul-2011 04:12:16] <tsener> or I need 2.4
[11-Jul-2011 04:12:33] <fragfutter> tsener: it will only run on 2.4
[11-Jul-2011 04:13:02] <fragfutter> tsener: and there has been an rpm
[11-Jul-2011 04:14:16] <Simon4> zenoss comes with it's own python in the rpm
[11-Jul-2011 04:14:16] <fragfutter> tsener: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zenoss/files/zenoss-2.5/zenoss-2.5.2/
[11-Jul-2011 04:14:29] <Simon4> which is hidden under /opt/zenoss with the rest of it
[11-Jul-2011 04:14:38] <fragfutter> Simon4: oh right, i forgot.
[11-Jul-2011 04:15:17] <Simon4> so basically you don't need to worry about system python
[11-Jul-2011 04:18:49] <tsener> aha
[11-Jul-2011 04:18:59] <tsener> it's just that I still want to use the 2.5 version
[11-Jul-2011 04:19:39] <tsener> though software version used there are bit old, and I am not sure if potential auditors would like that
[11-Jul-2011 04:20:07] <tsener> version 3 can be installed from rpm and used with non-bundeled python, right ?
[11-Jul-2011 04:20:22] <fragfutter> tsener: no it also has an internal python
[11-Jul-2011 04:20:53] <fragfutter> tsener: which in the case of zenoss3 is python 2.6
[11-Jul-2011 04:25:07] <fragfutter> still reading irc logs. what the heck happened on friday
[11-Jul-2011 04:34:43] <Simon4> it seems the revolution started
[11-Jul-2011 04:34:56] * Simon4 kinda watched it scroll past, but was busy with other things
[11-Jul-2011 04:37:52] <hmp> is there a counter to see how many devices you have selected in the interfaces tab?
[11-Jul-2011 04:38:06] <hmp> that would be kinda nice
[11-Jul-2011 06:06:51] <fragfutter> now that centos 6 has been released, when can we expect a zenoss rpm for it?
[11-Jul-2011 07:31:29] <Jane_Curry> mornin
[11-Jul-2011 07:32:30] <Jane_Curry> Anyone know where the top-level menus (DASHBOARD INFRASTRUCTURE etc) are defined and where access to them is controlled eg ZenUser doesn't see EVENTS
[11-Jul-2011 08:33:31] <Hackman238> Hey all!
[11-Jul-2011 08:33:46] <fragfutter> hi commandante
[11-Jul-2011 08:34:01] <Hackman238> How goes the war?
[11-Jul-2011 08:34:18] <fragfutter> the enemy deployed in the pigs bay
[11-Jul-2011 08:34:54] <Hackman238> LOL
[11-Jul-2011 08:54:52] <rocket> mmmmm bacon! ...
[11-Jul-2011 08:55:48] KillPrez is now known as Keo-w
[11-Jul-2011 09:02:56] <Hackman238> rocket: Bacon makes everything better
[11-Jul-2011 09:03:00] <Hackman238> (TM)
[11-Jul-2011 10:01:15] <Jane_Curry> Anyone know where the top-level menus (DASHBOARD INFRASTRUCTURE etc) are defined and where access to them is controlled eg ZenUser doesn't see EVENTS
[11-Jul-2011 10:20:52] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Yes, let me scan my notes
[11-Jul-2011 10:56:19] <twm1010> So zenactions.conf is now an XML config file, what option do I add in so e-mails no longer contain localhost.localdomain ?
[11-Jul-2011 11:10:41] <Hackman238> twm1010: zopeurl <master hostname>
[11-Jul-2011 11:18:47] <Praxi> so I got my temp sensors working great now graphing data. Is it possible to send a report of that graph to someone? I've been tooling around in the reporting, but anytime I make a graphical report, I seem to be missing how to link it to my TEMP 01 graphs
[11-Jul-2011 11:25:44] Jenza2 is now known as Jenza
[11-Jul-2011 11:29:07] <Hackman238> Praxi: Generally for such things I suggest emailing the image link
[11-Jul-2011 11:29:24] <Praxi> that would be beautiful
[11-Jul-2011 11:29:40] <Hackman238> Praxi: Prevents Exchange fullness
[11-Jul-2011 11:30:02] <Hackman238> Praxi: Just find the graph you want and right click, copy image location.
[11-Jul-2011 11:30:20] <Hackman238> Praxi: Paste the link in a new window to test- the image should be genorated on demand by zenrender,
[11-Jul-2011 11:30:44] <Hackman238> *generated
[11-Jul-2011 11:31:44] <Praxi> hmm that did work, but that would be 18 links then
[11-Jul-2011 11:32:03] <Praxi> plus my user would have to have a login to the system
[11-Jul-2011 11:32:27] <Hackman238> Praxi: Thats true, but they'll need to login to view a canned report as well.
[11-Jul-2011 11:32:28] <twm1010> ugh, digging my head back into this stuff
[11-Jul-2011 11:32:48] <Praxi> ahh can't just fire off a email containing the graph pics?
[11-Jul-2011 11:33:07] <Hackman238> Praxi: Alternatively you could write a small cron script that uses zenreportmail to fetch graphs and email them
[11-Jul-2011 11:35:39] <twm1010> I guess the MIB for snmpv2 linkup / linkdown is not built-in?
[11-Jul-2011 11:36:33] <Hackman238> Praxi: I think its something like so: reportmail -u http://zenosshostname:8080/zport/dmd/Reports/PATH-TO-YOU-REPORT -U reportuser -p report-user-pass-f report-recipiant@yourdomain.com
[11-Jul-2011 11:37:57] <Praxi> wow that is easy
[11-Jul-2011 11:38:09] <Praxi> thanks Hackman238
[11-Jul-2011 11:40:19] <Hackman238> Praxi: NP
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[11-Jul-2011 12:07:39] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 so there's going to be a call-in # somewhere?
[11-Jul-2011 12:09:08] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Corrent.
[11-Jul-2011 12:09:24] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: jmp242 will have details this afternoon.
[11-Jul-2011 12:11:17] <JohnnyNOC> sounds good
[11-Jul-2011 12:12:26] <Hackman238> Taco run, BRB
[11-Jul-2011 12:12:44] <dhopp> seriously…people need to stop setting meetings at lunch
[11-Jul-2011 12:13:55] <JohnnyNOC> heh
[11-Jul-2011 12:20:34] <fragfutter> dhopp: lunch meetings. very nice.
[11-Jul-2011 12:20:50] <dhopp> fragfutter: except I'm not actually getting lunch with the meeting :-P
[11-Jul-2011 12:21:17] <fragfutter> dhopp: who set the meeting, revoke user access rights
[11-Jul-2011 12:21:26] <dhopp> fragfutter: client
[11-Jul-2011 12:21:40] <fragfutter> *ups*
[11-Jul-2011 12:21:43] <dhopp> fragfutter: but client is on eastern time, I'm on central..so it's after lunch for them
[11-Jul-2011 12:22:05] <fragfutter> i could say it's time for dinner for me
[11-Jul-2011 12:49:57] <Hackman238> Back
[11-Jul-2011 12:59:09] <Hackman238> Ugh...too much burrito.
[11-Jul-2011 12:59:11] <Hackman238>
[11-Jul-2011 12:59:24] <klone> chipotle?
[11-Jul-2011 12:59:31] <nyeates> whatre those texas breakfast tacos things called?
[11-Jul-2011 12:59:48] <klone> nyeates, - breakfast tacos!
[11-Jul-2011 12:59:48] <Hackman238> klone: Nein, Taco bell. LOL
[11-Jul-2011 13:00:01] <Hackman238> nyeates: What he said
[11-Jul-2011 13:00:07] <nyeates> Mmm, very good - I coulda swore they had a name for em in austin
[11-Jul-2011 13:00:09] <klone> Hackman238: the best of the worst! awesome
[11-Jul-2011 13:00:20] <nyeates> Maybe it was the place they got them from
[11-Jul-2011 13:00:34] <Hackman238> klone: You know it LOL
[11-Jul-2011 13:00:43] <klone> nyeates: you're thinking of migas, aren't you?
[11-Jul-2011 13:01:19] <Hackman238> nyeates: I'm not really up on the names of most of the food around here...so I can't really say LOL
[11-Jul-2011 13:01:23] <klone> traditionally, that's a breakfast of its own ... but you can also get it wrapped in a tortilla, so you have a migas breakfast taco
[11-Jul-2011 13:01:36] <nyeates> yes migas!
[11-Jul-2011 13:01:41] <nyeates> damn those were good
[11-Jul-2011 13:01:45] <klone> at that point, the tortilla is just a transport mechanism.
[11-Jul-2011 13:02:02] <klone> a good one, at that. guaranteed delivery, short TTL
[11-Jul-2011 13:02:16] <nyeates> heh
[11-Jul-2011 13:02:44] <Hackman238> klone: LOL
[11-Jul-2011 13:12:42] <Praxi> lol
[11-Jul-2011 13:20:19] <Praxi> Question about Alerts, for an email alert, if I use the Optional address field, can I enter more than 1 address?
[11-Jul-2011 13:21:36] <Hackman238> Praxi: When you make alerts that need to go to more than one user you can 1) create a user group and put the alerts on that user group. It'll email each user in the group. Alternatively you can make distro lists and email to that
[11-Jul-2011 13:21:49] <Praxi> k
[11-Jul-2011 13:22:49] <Hackman238> Praxi: Damn, I meant 2) instead of 'alternatively'....post lunch
[11-Jul-2011 13:23:11] <Praxi> lol all good
[11-Jul-2011 13:32:48] <nyeates> plans for the teleconf coming along?
[11-Jul-2011 13:32:50] themactech__ is now known as themactech
[11-Jul-2011 13:38:27] <themactech> is it possible to get the dial in info for the conf call?
[11-Jul-2011 13:41:44] <jmp242> themactech: did you get my PM
[11-Jul-2011 13:41:45] <jmp242> ?
[11-Jul-2011 13:42:16] <themactech> let me check, i was doing something else and a window flashed quickly, gonna see if I can recall it
[11-Jul-2011 13:42:20] <Praxi> being a zenoss/linux noob is it ok if I listen in?
[11-Jul-2011 13:42:24] <jmp242> For those waiting, the phone #s are available from the little Phone icon
[11-Jul-2011 13:42:40] <jmp242> drop down menu gets international (UK etc) numbers
[11-Jul-2011 13:43:34] <Praxi> what phone icon lol
[11-Jul-2011 13:43:41] <themactech> I don't have your pm up anymore and I can't seem to recall it, nor do I have the little phone icon you speak of
[11-Jul-2011 13:44:05] <jmp242> What about now?
[11-Jul-2011 13:44:09] <themactech> I'm using colloquy on a Mac if it matters
[11-Jul-2011 13:44:10] <Praxi> ok at least its not just me
[11-Jul-2011 13:44:20] <Praxi> using chatzilla in firefox
[11-Jul-2011 13:44:23] <jmp242> Praxi: I'll get you a link when the full conference starts
[11-Jul-2011 13:44:32] <themactech> ok
[11-Jul-2011 13:44:35] <Praxi> roger, thanks jmp242
[11-Jul-2011 13:44:37] <jmp242> then you should get a program / interface
[11-Jul-2011 13:44:39] <themactech> that'll do
[11-Jul-2011 13:44:45] <jmp242> All you need is flash I think
[11-Jul-2011 13:45:34] <themactech> can't we just call in with our phones and a meeting number? I'm doing all sorts of nasty VPN stuff on my laptop, would rather actually be on phone for this
[11-Jul-2011 13:46:07] <jmp242> Yes, phone is fine
[11-Jul-2011 13:46:13] <jmp242> we'll have the US # up soon
[11-Jul-2011 13:47:19] <Hackman238> Anyone needing the call in number pm jmp242 or I
[11-Jul-2011 13:49:20] <themactech> I need the call number
[11-Jul-2011 13:49:33] <andreaconsadori> hi everybody
[11-Jul-2011 13:49:43] <Praxi> forgot a Z
[11-Jul-2011 13:50:14] <Hackman238> Praxi: TY
[11-Jul-2011 13:50:29] <Praxi> sad, only thing I can do to help
[11-Jul-2011 13:52:38] * ke4qqq has joined
[11-Jul-2011 13:53:35] <rmatte> I've joined but I lost my voice at all the concerts that I went to this week so I'll just be listening in
[11-Jul-2011 13:54:29] <Hackman238> rmatte: Lost your voice!?
[11-Jul-2011 13:54:33] <jmp242> ok
[11-Jul-2011 13:54:40] <rmatte> for the most part lol
[11-Jul-2011 13:54:40] <Hackman238> rmatte: having too much fun LOL
[11-Jul-2011 13:54:45] <rmatte> yeh
[11-Jul-2011 13:55:04] <rmatte> it's from constantly yelling over the music
[11-Jul-2011 13:55:56] <dhopp> I'll be joining the call in a few minutes..trying to scarf some lunch
[11-Jul-2011 13:56:10] <jmp242> good. I'll officially kick things off at 2PM EST by my clock anyway
[11-Jul-2011 13:56:13] <Praxi> what concert?
[11-Jul-2011 13:56:34] <Hackman238> andreaconsadori: Hi
[11-Jul-2011 13:56:35] <rmatte> Praxi: it's a music festival, Cisco Ottawa Bluesfest
[11-Jul-2011 13:56:37] <rmatte> several bands
[11-Jul-2011 13:56:45] <andreaconsadori> hi Hackman238
[11-Jul-2011 13:56:45] <rmatte> last night was A Perfect Circle
[11-Jul-2011 13:56:47] <Praxi> ahh nice!
[11-Jul-2011 13:56:54] <andreaconsadori> this time i attend the meeting
[11-Jul-2011 13:57:04] <rmatte>
[11-Jul-2011 13:57:08] <Hackman238> andreaconsadori: Glad to hear!
[11-Jul-2011 13:57:09] <Praxi> wait bluesfest had APC?
[11-Jul-2011 13:57:17] <rmatte> yup
[11-Jul-2011 13:57:20] <Praxi> not exactly blues I would think hehe
[11-Jul-2011 13:57:29] <Praxi> your blues sounds much better than my blues
[11-Jul-2011 13:57:30] <rmatte> nah, most of the bands aren't actually blues bands
[11-Jul-2011 13:57:34] <rmatte> it's just a name that stuck
[11-Jul-2011 13:58:00] <Praxi> thats convenient
[11-Jul-2011 13:58:22] <rmatte> lol
[11-Jul-2011 14:00:19] <jmp242> Meeting started
[11-Jul-2011 14:04:21] <Praxi> lol someones working in Autoit!
[11-Jul-2011 14:05:39] <rmatte> I was wondering what that icon was lol
[11-Jul-2011 14:06:04] <Praxi> light weight scripting language, great for automating windows tasks
[11-Jul-2011 14:06:26] <rmatte> probably why I haven't heard of it, I'm very much a linux guy lol
[11-Jul-2011 14:06:54] * andreaconsadori is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 10 minutes
[11-Jul-2011 14:14:41] <Praxi> being new here, is the person speaking (Bill) a zenoss employee?
[11-Jul-2011 14:16:15] <andreaconsadori> a big zenoss issue for me is the price for small-medium business .... not proposable to customers...
[11-Jul-2011 14:19:32] mattray1 is now known as mattray
[11-Jul-2011 14:32:41] <Praxi> ya as a new user, its not easy to filter zenpacks by which ones work with my version
[11-Jul-2011 14:37:34] <andreaconsadori> also could be very interesting on how to make small modification on zenpacks like how to add custom field and how to populate it with snmp-get informations
[11-Jul-2011 14:38:14] <guyverix> That would be nice..
[11-Jul-2011 14:43:18] <nyeates> Praxi: Bill is the Zenoss CEO
[11-Jul-2011 14:51:33] <JohnnyNOC> i think Bill was suggesting we start a company to handle his 6 month service backlog
[11-Jul-2011 14:51:44] <JohnnyNOC> we = core core members
[11-Jul-2011 14:52:45] <twm1010> JohnnyNOC:
[11-Jul-2011 14:53:48] <JohnnyNOC> that was my own interpretation of the statement he made long ago
[11-Jul-2011 14:59:55] <JohnnyNOC> that was cool
[11-Jul-2011 15:00:07] <Praxi> ahh thanks for that nyeates
[11-Jul-2011 15:00:58] <jmp242> Ok, meeting ajorned
[11-Jul-2011 15:01:06] <nyeates> Was that recorded?
[11-Jul-2011 15:01:11] <jmp242> No, sorry
[11-Jul-2011 15:01:25] <jmp242> I'm planning on making a minutes available and a mailing list for the "board"
[11-Jul-2011 15:01:37] <andreaconsadori> great
[11-Jul-2011 15:02:11] <Hackman238> Sounds good. Thank you all for attending!
[11-Jul-2011 15:03:17] <JohnnyNOC> i should have spoken up during the call but another thing i'd love to have more documentation of, or receive training on, would be more complex Zenoss setups
[11-Jul-2011 15:03:22] <JohnnyNOC> multiple collectors, tuning, etc.
[11-Jul-2011 15:03:54] <mattray> apparently something happened while I was on vacation
[11-Jul-2011 15:04:01] <rmatte> indeed
[11-Jul-2011 15:04:28] <andreaconsadori> yes zenoss bear sleep no more
[11-Jul-2011 15:04:52] <nyeates> Yeah - good stuff though Matt
[11-Jul-2011 15:05:07] <jmp242> I've requested the e-list, should have one in a couple days
[11-Jul-2011 15:05:13] <Hackman238> mattray1: Revolution!
[11-Jul-2011 15:05:28] <mattray1> sounds fun
[11-Jul-2011 15:05:46] <nyeates> jmp242: can you put that doc up somewhere and link it?
[11-Jul-2011 15:06:05] <nyeates> The on that had the listing of the alliances points to go over in the meeting
[11-Jul-2011 15:06:38] <Hackman238> *hands mattray1 a pitchfork*
[11-Jul-2011 15:07:17] <jmp242> I would, but I just closed it and lost it. . . Damn outlook
[11-Jul-2011 15:07:26] <Hackman238> jmp242: I can post anything you need for public access on my site shanewilliamscott.com if you need.
[11-Jul-2011 15:07:49] <Hackman238> jmp242: I can send you my list again if you need
[11-Jul-2011 15:07:51] <jmp242> Never mind lol
[11-Jul-2011 15:07:54] <Hackman238> LOL
[11-Jul-2011 15:07:58] <jmp242> it wasn't an attachment
[11-Jul-2011 15:08:10] <nonsenso> rehi.
[11-Jul-2011 15:08:19] <Hackman238> jmp242: Just text.
[11-Jul-2011 15:08:25] <nyeates> Only point I didnt hear focused on was 4. solidify core needs, what does core need to share with SD
[11-Jul-2011 15:08:27] <Hackman238> nonsenso: Hi
[11-Jul-2011 15:08:39] <jmp242> Hackman238: one of the first things is we didn't manage to figure out where we want to put Official ZCA communication
[11-Jul-2011 15:08:59] <nyeates> Which for me, is important - I want to see community get the proper pieces of core IN core
[11-Jul-2011 15:09:01] <Hackman238> jmp242: Agreed, divolged a bit much.
[11-Jul-2011 15:09:28] <jmp242> I hope to do that via the mailing list once I get it
[11-Jul-2011 15:09:29] <Hackman238> jmp242: *devulged
[11-Jul-2011 15:09:53] <jmp242> I think I can post what nyeats wants on the Zenoss Community Wiki somewhere
[11-Jul-2011 15:10:23] <nyeates> You are free to
[11-Jul-2011 15:10:34] <Hackman238> jmp242: ...how ever its spelled... We can post whatever on my site temporarily but I think we should schedule another talk soon to qualify if we should have our own site or use the forums exclusively.
[11-Jul-2011 15:10:34] <nyeates> I really hope we can open up access much better :-)
[11-Jul-2011 15:11:10] <jmp242> How about the Community Documenters group?
[11-Jul-2011 15:12:03] <Hackman238> jmp242: Works
[11-Jul-2011 15:12:08] <nonsenso> that'd be nice!
[11-Jul-2011 15:13:12] <rmatte> someone may want to change the channel topic
[11-Jul-2011 15:13:39] <jmp242> Hackman to the rescue!
[11-Jul-2011 15:14:29] <nonsenso> hrm. any reason why custom ipservices are being ignored if they're in custom service organizers but not in the registered organizer?
[11-Jul-2011 15:15:11] <Hackman238> Bah, rmatte beat me
[11-Jul-2011 15:15:21] * nonsenso shakes fist.
[11-Jul-2011 15:15:39] <nyeates> feel free to change back if u want :-)
[11-Jul-2011 15:15:46] <nonsenso> i have a custom organizer for splunk & it loads fine. others w/ samesame config don't.
[11-Jul-2011 15:16:28] <rmatte> lol
[11-Jul-2011 15:17:34] <rmatte> nyeates: I won't change it if you fix the spelling, heterogeneous
[11-Jul-2011 15:17:43] <andreaconsadori> i think a good way to emprove zenoss core is to make more easy to make small customization on it like addittional table to show snmp data, actually is very complex to manage snmp text information (other than snmp standard text liek location)
[11-Jul-2011 15:18:00] <jmp242> groups/community-documentors/blog/2011/07/11/zenoss-community-alliance-zca
[11-Jul-2011 15:18:01] <nyeates> eegads
[11-Jul-2011 15:18:44] <Hackman238> andreaconsadori: Agreed. a previous suggestion by fragfutter to use a templating tool could make simple zenpacks as simple as filling in boxes.
[11-Jul-2011 15:19:02] <andreaconsadori> and have a db for all, not only for events
[11-Jul-2011 15:19:03] <andreaconsadori> yse
[11-Jul-2011 15:19:27] <jmp242> If that looks OK to Hackman238, I'll put it in the forum post
[11-Jul-2011 15:19:28] <Hackman238> fragfutter: What was that zope templating tool you had mentioned?
[11-Jul-2011 15:19:58] <andreaconsadori> because sometimes who have networking knoledge to devel simple zenpack have no develping knoledge to make heavy code customization
[11-Jul-2011 15:20:12] <Hackman238> jmp242: needs 'and to crush the competiion under our boots!'
[11-Jul-2011 15:20:19] <Hackman238> jmp242: J/K Looks good
[11-Jul-2011 15:20:30] <jmp242> great
[11-Jul-2011 15:21:02] <nyeates> Thx James
[11-Jul-2011 15:21:16] <Hackman238> jmp242: ...and when one reads that line they can hear and feel the word like stepping on fruitloops!
[11-Jul-2011 15:21:38] <Hackman238> jmp242: TY For hosting the meeting today James, much appreciated.
[11-Jul-2011 15:21:42] <jmp242> No problem
[11-Jul-2011 15:21:51] <jmp242> I can organize things ok
[11-Jul-2011 15:21:59] <jmp242> deep programming not so much
[11-Jul-2011 15:22:46] <Hackman238> jmp242: I can program pattern learning in to a lego mindstorm but not convey any idea nicely
[11-Jul-2011 15:23:03] <Hackman238> jmp242: Or with proper grammar/spelling
[11-Jul-2011 15:23:09] <jmp242> lol
[11-Jul-2011 15:23:12] <Hackman238> jmp242:
[11-Jul-2011 15:34:53] mattray1 is now known as mattray
[11-Jul-2011 15:44:29] <rmatte> does anyone know what the patch number is of the patch to fix not being able to change the monitoring status of IP Services?
[11-Jul-2011 15:44:55] <rmatte> I know I've applied it before in the past and it worked, just can't find the ticket in trac with the patch number
[11-Jul-2011 15:46:00] <dhopp> rmatte: I know we discussed it in here
[11-Jul-2011 15:46:58] <rmatte> normally I write them down but I must have forgotten to
[11-Jul-2011 15:47:24] <jmp242> zenpatch 25791
[11-Jul-2011 15:47:26] <jmp242> is it that one?
[11-Jul-2011 15:47:28] <rmatte> aha found it
[11-Jul-2011 15:47:32] <rmatte> yeh, just just found it hehe
[11-Jul-2011 15:47:36] <rmatte> thanks
[11-Jul-2011 15:50:13] <jmp242> docs/DOC-4724#The_zProperty_for_Process_Monitoring_is_greyed_out
[11-Jul-2011 15:50:16] <jmp242> now in a FAQ
[11-Jul-2011 15:51:00] <rmatte>
[11-Jul-2011 15:52:54] <rmatte> jmp242: I notice that you make notice of the nmap ipservice modeler plugin in there...
[11-Jul-2011 15:54:03] <rmatte> I'm pretty sure that plugin has been broken for quite a while now
[11-Jul-2011 15:54:53] <rmatte> We went through a whole show and dance with patches and such but nothing ever got done: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5238
[11-Jul-2011 15:54:58] <rmatte> maybe they've fixed it since then
[11-Jul-2011 16:10:50] <nyeates> doesnt appear so, though maybe it works different in avalon - not sure
[11-Jul-2011 16:15:18] <jmp242> hmm
[11-Jul-2011 16:15:23] <jmp242> the nmap stuff seemed to work for me
[11-Jul-2011 16:15:28] <jmp242> against a VMS system
[11-Jul-2011 16:15:33] <jmp242> when the default didn't
[11-Jul-2011 16:18:06] <rmatte> hmmm, must be fixed then
[11-Jul-2011 17:04:32] <Hackman238> Have to run all
[11-Jul-2011 17:04:34] <Hackman238> Later
[11-Jul-2011 17:04:36] <rmatte> later
[11-Jul-2011 17:51:23] <otakup0pe> wait is it really not possible to move which device class a monitoring template is assigned to
[11-Jul-2011 17:57:15] <Praxi> otakup0pe: can't you just redo the binding?
[11-Jul-2011 17:57:36] <otakup0pe> not the device class binding
[11-Jul-2011 17:57:45] <otakup0pe> i think hm
[11-Jul-2011 17:57:50] <Praxi> I know thats how I did mine hehe
[11-Jul-2011 17:58:03] <otakup0pe> i created a monitoring template under /Server/Linux/Foo/Bar but i want it under /Server/Linux/Foo
[11-Jul-2011 17:58:06] <otakup0pe> and can't seem to figure out how to move it
[11-Jul-2011 17:58:15] <otakup0pe> i could override it to /Server/Linux/Foo but i don't want that
[11-Jul-2011 17:58:17] <Praxi> I made 3 local monitoring templates, they ended up being assigned to all 3 devices, so I went into the binding and told it which template to use
[11-Jul-2011 17:58:40] <otakup0pe> the problem is i have a class under /Server/Linux/Foo/Baz that i want to use some of the templates from
[11-Jul-2011 17:59:22] <Praxi> ya just bind templates
[11-Jul-2011 17:59:51] <otakup0pe> no can do
[11-Jul-2011 18:00:08] <otakup0pe> as the template itself wasn't created in the right spot. which is why i'm trying to figure out how to move it.
[11-Jul-2011 18:00:11] <Praxi> hmm ya, wonder if you have to unbind them first from whereever they are at
[11-Jul-2011 18:00:13] <otakup0pe> i'm probably not explaining myself too well sorry
[11-Jul-2011 18:00:17] <otakup0pe> no they aren't actually bound yet
[11-Jul-2011 18:01:24] <otakup0pe> i can only edit the name and 'target class' which doesn't seem to correspond to what i'm looking for
[11-Jul-2011 18:01:37] <Praxi> I'm pretty new at this, but when I created my 3 local templates under the device (/sensors/sensatronicU16/TEMP01 ) they were all 3 created under TEMP 01, but they show up under the sensatronicU16
[11-Jul-2011 18:02:05] <otakup0pe> yeah i'm not seeing that behaviour
[11-Jul-2011 18:02:22] <otakup0pe> welp i guess i can just recreate them and then contemplate moving to graphite/statsd or something >_>
[11-Jul-2011 18:03:18] <rmatte> Praxi: you move it with the override option in the templates section
[11-Jul-2011 18:03:24] <Praxi> If you go tinto Advanced/Monitoring Templates, can you change it there?
[11-Jul-2011 18:03:34] <otakup0pe> rmatte: doesn't that make a copy which requires the original to remain ?
[11-Jul-2011 18:03:39] <otakup0pe> Praxi: don't seem to be able to
[11-Jul-2011 18:03:48] <rmatte> correct, but then you can just delete the original if you want
[11-Jul-2011 18:03:56] <otakup0pe> OH
[11-Jul-2011 18:04:00] <otakup0pe> that detail i did not know
[11-Jul-2011 18:04:03] <rmatte> you can copy the template to a lower path, then delete the original
[11-Jul-2011 18:04:11] <rmatte> or a higher path rather
[11-Jul-2011 18:04:16] <otakup0pe> so override template really should be named copy template ?
[11-Jul-2011 18:04:29] <rmatte> if you put it right under / then all classes will have access to it
[11-Jul-2011 18:04:44] <rmatte> otakup0pe: it should be, but they won't change the name on it
[11-Jul-2011 18:04:58] <rmatte> trust me, we've had this discussion a million times about "Override" being a stupid name for it
[11-Jul-2011 18:05:06] <rmatte> it was called copy prior to the new UI
[11-Jul-2011 18:05:10] <otakup0pe> hee <3
[11-Jul-2011 18:05:50] <otakup0pe> hmm i tried override template and nothing happened heh
[11-Jul-2011 18:06:03] <otakup0pe> should i see a copy of it under advanced -> monitoring templates ?
[11-Jul-2011 18:07:28] <otakup0pe> hm seems to only be for bound templates
[11-Jul-2011 18:08:30] <otakup0pe> no my bad :X seems to be fine now thx
[11-Jul-2011 18:48:47] <jackery_freenode> I'm noticing that ZenOss is not properly terminating java processes when shutting down the zenjmx daemon. Has anyone else noticed this?
[11-Jul-2011 19:17:09] <jackery_freenode> Yeah, from my analysis, zenjmx never shuts down it's spawned java processes. It also has some logic that will keep trying ports (incrementing by one each try) until an arbitrary constant is reached at which point it simply refuses to start.
[11-Jul-2011 19:17:20] <jackery_freenode> Kinda makes one wonder if this stuff was ever tested /:
[11-Jul-2011 22:24:16] <rocket> 3
[11-Jul-2011 22:37:48] <nyeates> 4
[11-Jul-2011 22:38:05] <rocket> 5
[11-Jul-2011 23:02:38] <willwh> OVER 9000.
[11-Jul-2011 23:02:43] <willwh> there I said it.
[11-Jul-2011 23:03:02] <willwh> jackery_freenode: interesting - I've not used it much
[11-Jul-2011 23:03:15] <willwh> I went back to just polling the specific ports over snmp :\
[11-Jul-2011 23:03:22] <willwh> it did seem interesting for monitoring the heap usage though
[11-Jul-2011 23:03:29] <willwh> (run a lot of wowza servers)
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[11-Jul-2011 23:24:18] <jackery_freenode> willwh: to be honest, I prefer to just either write SNMP modules to poll the data locally or simply bind scripts to exec functions in net-snmp's smpd.conf.
[11-Jul-2011 23:24:37] <jackery_freenode> ZenOss polls SNMP so efficiently that it essentially distributes the load over the devices being polled.
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[12-Jul-2011 03:25:44] <fragfutter> Hackman238: paste, http://pythonpaste.org/script/
[12-Jul-2011 03:47:02] <zykes-> can anything be done to speed up mysql search for the history table ? mine seems to be to slow so i get that the "Unable to connect to the server" messages
[12-Jul-2011 03:48:54] <fragfutter> zykes-: you did basic mysql tuning ?
[12-Jul-2011 03:49:03] <zykes-> fragfutter: correct
[12-Jul-2011 03:49:30] <fragfutter> the data is on a seperate spindle from the perfdata?
[12-Jul-2011 03:49:38] <zykes-> yep
[12-Jul-2011 03:49:40] <zykes-> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/436809/
[12-Jul-2011 03:49:45] <zykes-> it's in a virtual machine
[12-Jul-2011 03:50:56] <fragfutter> you checked /var/log/mysqld-slow-log
[12-Jul-2011 03:51:29] <zykes-> yeah, but basically just the "standard" history search is dead slow
[12-Jul-2011 03:51:57] <fragfutter> how many entries in your history table?
[12-Jul-2011 03:52:16] <zykes-> not sure, doing a select count
[12-Jul-2011 03:56:44] <zykes-> 1844694 evebts
[12-Jul-2011 03:56:51] <fragfutter> *cough*
[12-Jul-2011 03:56:57] <fragfutter> select from_unixtime(min(lastTime)) from history;
[12-Jul-2011 03:57:14] <zykes-> 2011-05-12 15:00:01
[12-Jul-2011 03:57:27] <fragfutter> you need to keep those old entries?
[12-Jul-2011 03:57:40] <zykes-> not really
[12-Jul-2011 03:57:43] <zykes-> but should it be that slow ? :/
[12-Jul-2011 03:59:12] <fragfutter> 1.8 million rows? It would slow the webinterface. But taking four minutes to count hints at some more issues.
[12-Jul-2011 04:01:22] <zykes-> hmmm
[12-Jul-2011 04:03:10] <fragfutter> the basics, my.cnf tuned, seperate disk spindle, system not in swap, check slow queries
[12-Jul-2011 04:05:08] <zykes-> my.cnf is done, seperate disk for /var and no swap
[12-Jul-2011 04:17:28] <zykes-> why does the history select use a subselect ?
[12-Jul-2011 04:18:05] <fragfutter> i never checked the queries used in zenoss. i simply have only 100k events, and they all live in memory
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[12-Jul-2011 12:01:56] <rmatte>
[12-Jul-2011 12:04:25] <fragfutter> Real men upload their stuff on the internet and let the world mirror i
[12-Jul-2011 12:04:32] <fragfutter> +t
[12-Jul-2011 12:05:00] <rmatte> lol
[12-Jul-2011 12:06:34] <fragfutter> http://groups.google.com/group/linux.dev.kernel/msg/76ae734d543e396d?pli=1
[12-Jul-2011 12:06:58] <rmatte> that's ancient
[12-Jul-2011 12:07:13] <fragfutter> jep, thats why i replaced ftp with internet
[12-Jul-2011 12:07:38] <rmatte> lol
[12-Jul-2011 12:08:24] <Hackman238> LOL
[12-Jul-2011 12:09:36] <rmatte> Hackman238: when you see jmp can you mention to him that he's put 2 of my email addresses on the list and that they come to the same mailbox... if he can remove raw@dmon.org and leave contact@ryanmatte.com that would be super
[12-Jul-2011 12:23:41] <Hackman238> rmatte: I will
[12-Jul-2011 12:36:55] <JohnnyNOC> heh
[12-Jul-2011 12:37:02] <JohnnyNOC> i just realized something.. the new machine is a diff os than the existing machine
[12-Jul-2011 12:37:44] <JohnnyNOC> hope that isn't going to be a cause for problems
[12-Jul-2011 12:37:45] <JohnnyNOC> :/
[12-Jul-2011 12:42:40] <rmatte> well, are you using the same install method?
[12-Jul-2011 12:42:55] <rmatte> I'm not sure mixing and matching RPM and Stack installs for collector setups works too well
[12-Jul-2011 12:43:12] <rmatte> they should technically work, but I've never tried it
[12-Jul-2011 12:53:39] <JohnnyNOC> yes, they were both installed using the stack method which leads me to believe i should be OK
[12-Jul-2011 12:55:04] <rmatte> yeh, should be fine
[12-Jul-2011 12:56:15] <rmatte> Hackman238: thanks
[12-Jul-2011 12:58:37] <Hackman238> rmatte: NP
[12-Jul-2011 13:28:06] <Hackman238> rmatte: Next purchase to go with your new laptop: http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/12/dnp-panasonic-intros-rugged-toughbook-h2-tablet-steps-up-to-cor/
[12-Jul-2011 13:31:42] <mattray> that just looks like it wants to be thrown
[12-Jul-2011 13:33:51] <Hackman238> mattray: New olympics event...who can throw the toughbook farthest
[12-Jul-2011 13:42:46] <rmatte> I love my toughbook
[12-Jul-2011 13:42:48] <rmatte> so badass
[12-Jul-2011 13:43:19] <Hackman238> rmatte:
[12-Jul-2011 13:43:25] <rmatte> lol
[12-Jul-2011 15:04:15] <Hackman238> When everyone has five minutes, I suggest all community read this 'contribution agreement' docs/DOC-2619 - It needs to be abolished or amended and is a reason for our own portal
[12-Jul-2011 15:05:50] <Hackman238> Those who were at yesterdays meeting might recall Bill leading on that less inovation comes from the community that we think, which seems unlikely being the idea of the 'contributor agreement' is to confiscate contributions at will, known or unknown to the contributor.
[12-Jul-2011 15:07:38] <Simon4> yeah
[12-Jul-2011 15:07:55] * Simon4 missed the meeting sadly :/ minutes anywhere?
[12-Jul-2011 15:07:55] <Simon4> \
[12-Jul-2011 15:08:48] <Hackman238> Simon4: groups/community-documentors/blog/2011/07/11/zenoss-community-alliance-zca
[12-Jul-2011 15:08:58] <Simon4> thanks dude
[12-Jul-2011 15:09:07] <Hackman238> Simon4: not alot, next meeting will hammer down more details forming internally
[12-Jul-2011 15:10:01] <Hackman238> Simon4: Also, if youre interested: https://cornell.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_ewVkdN9ovfE9YZm&Preview=Survey&BrandID=cornell
[12-Jul-2011 15:16:42] <rmatte> Well, perhaps we're not being as innovative as we could be... but we're constantly busy duplicating features already present in Enterprise for the most part
[12-Jul-2011 15:18:21] <Hackman238> rmatte: The point is that Zenoss does take from the community otherwise they would not have ahd the forethough to craft the one sided agreement.
[12-Jul-2011 15:26:42] <rmatte> yup
[12-Jul-2011 15:27:21] <rocket> Hackman238: some of this is an indemnification issue though Hackman .. or we couldnt accept any patches that might be in core and then ultimately enterprise
[12-Jul-2011 15:29:43] <rmatte> rocket: all contributed code is GPL'd, so why do you think that would be the case?
[12-Jul-2011 15:30:13] <simonjj> FYI: we are working on making changes to the contribution policy
[12-Jul-2011 15:30:22] <rmatte> I don't see why the contributor's agreement is even necessary other than the fact that it is financially beneficial to Zenoss Inc as they can use the code in their commercial products
[12-Jul-2011 15:30:35] <rmatte> but then again, they could use GPL code as well
[12-Jul-2011 15:30:38] <simonjj> I personally think it's inhibiting valuable participation
[12-Jul-2011 15:30:47] <rmatte> it's basically just there to tie down our rights to the code in some way
[12-Jul-2011 15:32:35] <rmatte> Hackman238: "At no time hereafter shall You dispute, contest, or aid or assist others in disputing or contesting, either directly or indirectly, Zenoss’s exclusive right, title, and interest in any and all of Your Contributions, including (but not limited to) any and all copyright and other intellectual property rights therein claimed by Zenoss."
[12-Jul-2011 15:32:50] <rmatte> that pretty much pins us down right there
[12-Jul-2011 15:33:28] <rmatte> we could just start a third part zenpack site and encourage people to submit to that instead of directly to Zenoss Inc. if it comes to it
[12-Jul-2011 15:33:43] <simonjj> rmatte: you are 100% correct, as I said, we are looking at making changes to this
[12-Jul-2011 15:33:46] <simonjj> and relaxing the rules
[12-Jul-2011 15:33:51] <rmatte> It's not like we'd be depriving Zenoss Inc. of the ZenPacks, we'd just be making them available under the correct licensing
[12-Jul-2011 15:34:18] <Hackman238> I'm glad there is agreement on this
[12-Jul-2011 15:34:24] <Hackman238> Progerss is good!
[12-Jul-2011 15:34:27] <Hackman238> *Progress
[12-Jul-2011 15:34:55] <simonjj> there is absolutely no point of having a contributors agreement for zenpacks
[12-Jul-2011 15:35:15] * rmatte nods
[12-Jul-2011 15:35:34] <simonjj> it's a classic overreach of legal
[12-Jul-2011 15:35:42] <Hackman238> simonjj: Agreed
[12-Jul-2011 15:35:56] <nyeates> We need the contrib agreement, mostly for contributions to Core. That cant leave.
[12-Jul-2011 15:36:02] <nyeates> For ZenPacks, this is up for contention
[12-Jul-2011 15:36:32] <nyeates> its on my items o Bill
[12-Jul-2011 15:36:35] <nyeates> o=to
[12-Jul-2011 15:36:48] <nyeates> Along with Simon supporting it
[12-Jul-2011 15:37:42] <rmatte> nyeates: once again, like I said, all of the code is GPL code, so no, you don't
[12-Jul-2011 15:37:47] <nyeates> didnt read the above that simon wrote...still catching up
[12-Jul-2011 15:38:02] <rmatte> Core is an open source project, you can therefore use GPL'd code in Core.
[12-Jul-2011 15:38:58] <rmatte> The contributor's agreement is huge overkill
[12-Jul-2011 15:40:02] <nyeates> We want to reserve the right to role those patches into enterprise also, for our customers - therefore completing the virtuous cycle and getting value out of community
[12-Jul-2011 15:40:28] <rmatte> nyeates: there's nothing in the GPL stopping you from doing that, just so long as those patches are also made available in the core version
[12-Jul-2011 15:41:16] <rmatte> If there was something in the GPL stopping you, your use of jasper reporting server in datacenter insight wouldn't be valid
[12-Jul-2011 15:41:26] <rmatte> but I'm fairly positive that it is
[12-Jul-2011 15:41:32] <nyeates> we dual license i beleive
[12-Jul-2011 15:41:41] <nyeates> and we cant dual license if we dont have full copyright
[12-Jul-2011 15:41:45] <kerick> Is there a reason why my collector has maxed its' event queue and doesn't seem to want to reduce it?
[12-Jul-2011 15:42:17] <nyeates> I am not positive on that though, let me verify
[12-Jul-2011 15:42:43] <JohnnyNOC> kerick you can increase your event queue for the daemon in quesion
[12-Jul-2011 15:43:05] <simonjj> also take a look at your mysql process list, might be that your DB is hammered
[12-Jul-2011 15:43:19] <JohnnyNOC> kerick maxqueuelen 5000
[12-Jul-2011 15:43:26] <Hackman238> This could eb a classic zenhub pileup too
[12-Jul-2011 15:43:31] <rmatte> nyeates: even if that is legally the case, that agreement still extends too far, there are things in it that really make me shake my head, like claiming power of attorney over the submitter of the content
[12-Jul-2011 15:43:31] <kerick> I will look into that
[12-Jul-2011 15:43:32] <JohnnyNOC> in zenperfsnmp.conf for example
[12-Jul-2011 15:44:00] <rmatte> which is basically blackmail the way it's worded, it basically states that if I won't give you my signature for whatever reason you'll go ahead and act for me
[12-Jul-2011 15:44:06] <kerick> my other collector doesn't seem to have an issue, which is strange
[12-Jul-2011 15:44:37] <rmatte> effectively removing my right to object to anything
[12-Jul-2011 15:45:10] <rmatte> so why would I put up my hard work when such brutal limitations are imposed on me
[12-Jul-2011 15:45:15] <nyeates> rmatte: agreed on what u wrote above
[12-Jul-2011 15:45:28] <nyeates> it goes a little too far. this is my personal opinion
[12-Jul-2011 15:45:31] <rmatte> why would I not post the ZenPacks elsewhere as GPL and make them actual community domain property
[12-Jul-2011 15:46:01] <Hackman238> nyeates: If you need I can direct resources at it for clarification. I know there's alot on your plate this moment.
[12-Jul-2011 15:47:29] <nyeates> Hackman238: no need now. Simon and I just agreed that it is a major sticking point for our decision process
[12-Jul-2011 15:48:42] <Hackman238> nyeates: Alrighty.
[12-Jul-2011 15:56:02] <kerick> looks like restarting the offending daemons dropped the messages out of the queues or processed them or something good.
[12-Jul-2011 16:16:22] <jmp242> Hi all - I looked at the agreement a long time ago and didn't like it
[12-Jul-2011 16:16:24] <Hackman238> kerick: keep an eye on it, if it happens frequently it could be zenhub jamming up.
[12-Jul-2011 16:16:49] <jmp242> I thought it only applied to patches submitted, never realized it was applying to documentation posts etc
[12-Jul-2011 16:17:20] <Hackman238> jmp242: Yeah its pretty intrusive
[12-Jul-2011 16:17:22] <jmp242> I thought you had to actually sign it, so now I think we need a new location more myself, or a way to make it explicit if your post to the WIKI constitutes agreement of that thing
[12-Jul-2011 16:17:39] <jmp242> Are our IRC comments covered?
[12-Jul-2011 16:17:57] <Hackman238> jmp242: This is open domain I believe
[12-Jul-2011 16:18:10] <nyeates> I think we do need it on file, electronically signed
[12-Jul-2011 16:18:11] <rmatte> jmp242: I'm more worried about my ZenPacks than anything
[12-Jul-2011 16:18:40] <rmatte> The agreement basically gives Zenoss more rights over my code than I have
[12-Jul-2011 16:18:42] <rmatte> which is wrong
[12-Jul-2011 16:19:03] <nyeates> Im not so clear on the documentation, but maybe it was assuming documentation that goes along with zenpacks and patches...or also documentation included with patches on trac
[12-Jul-2011 16:19:27] <jmp242> Well, the way I originally understood it was to submit patches, you had to officially sign that agreement
[12-Jul-2011 16:19:29] <rmatte> nyeates: that's another problem with it, it's vague
[12-Jul-2011 16:19:45] <jmp242> it was never originally intended to apply to code merely posted on the forums as far as I knew
[12-Jul-2011 16:20:08] <jmp242> I.e. some submitters back in 07 or so had code, but couldn't submit it until they filled out the agreement
[12-Jul-2011 16:20:11] <rmatte> Matt Ray had me sign it years ago when I submitted my first ZenPack
[12-Jul-2011 16:20:19] <jmp242> Right - you had to sign it
[12-Jul-2011 16:20:30] <jmp242> if you haven't signed it, I'm not sure it can apply
[12-Jul-2011 16:20:38] <jmp242> is it linked from the site TOS?
[12-Jul-2011 16:20:39] <rmatte> nah it can't, you have to agree to it
[12-Jul-2011 16:21:18] <mattray> what did I do this time?
[12-Jul-2011 16:21:20] <jmp242> So if you have a github or whatever, you can post a zenpack without agreeing to anything
[12-Jul-2011 16:21:21] <nyeates> Yes, I keep track of the signed ones
[12-Jul-2011 16:21:28] <nyeates> So it does need to be agreed to
[12-Jul-2011 16:21:31] <jmp242> Is that needed to submit a zenpack then?
[12-Jul-2011 16:21:42] <rocket> jmp242: yes
[12-Jul-2011 16:21:44] <jmp242> I've not done that, so I didn't know where it came in
[12-Jul-2011 16:21:55] <jmp242> ok, so we absolutely need a github
[12-Jul-2011 16:21:55] <rocket> jmp242: or submit a patch for inclusion in the core code
[12-Jul-2011 16:21:57] <rmatte> mattray: when I submitted my Cisco Mibs ZenPack you had me sign the contributor's agreements, and apparently I should have read it more closely than I did, but it's a done deal now lol
[12-Jul-2011 16:22:05] <rmatte> agreement*
[12-Jul-2011 16:22:14] <jmp242> or something that can be posted under GPL only or license of submitters choice
[12-Jul-2011 16:22:24] <mattray> the contributor agreement was used for ZenPacks in case they were to get rolled into Core
[12-Jul-2011 16:22:35] <mattray> only a few were rolled in
[12-Jul-2011 16:22:37] <jmp242> I get the agreement for patches to core you want in upstream
[12-Jul-2011 16:22:50] <rmatte> mattray: I still don't think it's even necessary as the GPL license allows for that already
[12-Jul-2011 16:23:00] <mattray> true
[12-Jul-2011 16:23:12] <mattray> but Zenoss Inc. wants it so they don't have any headaches around licensing
[12-Jul-2011 16:23:17] <mattray> and indemnity
[12-Jul-2011 16:23:17] <nyeates> jmp242: There has been some spotty covering of it getting signed. It is technically still a requirement. I am hoping to remove much of that requirement.
[12-Jul-2011 16:23:45] <jmp242> and find it fine for *that* use only
[12-Jul-2011 16:24:03] <mattray> rmatte: if you submit a patch and say it's not copyright to Zenoss, they won't accept it because then they can't close it in Enterprise
[12-Jul-2011 16:24:26] <mattray> lots of commercial open source companies operate the same way
[12-Jul-2011 16:24:32] <mattray> MySQL for example
[12-Jul-2011 16:24:38] <Hackman238> mattray: If the patch is for Core, doesnt the license cover all of Core as part of Ent?
[12-Jul-2011 16:24:46] <rmatte> mattray: yeh, they can, that's the purpose of having a Core product in the first place, as long as it's made available in Core, then Core is just a base for the proprietary Enterprise code
[12-Jul-2011 16:24:51] <rmatte> the GPL would allow for that
[12-Jul-2011 16:24:57] <mattray> yeah
[12-Jul-2011 16:25:20] <Hackman238> Since the patch is GPL, Zenoss can use it in Core, GPL. Since Ent is dual license, Core components GPL, non core non GPL, nothing is infected.
[12-Jul-2011 16:25:31] <rmatte> exactly
[12-Jul-2011 16:25:35] <mattray> Hackman238: agreed, but Zenoss Inc. wanted the option
[12-Jul-2011 16:25:50] <Hackman238> mattray: Gotcha. Its a want, not a need
[12-Jul-2011 16:25:52] <mattray> of not worrying about which code they "owned" and which couldn't be moved around
[12-Jul-2011 16:25:55] <jmp242> for zenpacks?
[12-Jul-2011 16:25:59] <jmp242> I have an issue there
[12-Jul-2011 16:26:12] <mattray> jmp242: ZenPacks were covered so they could integrate them
[12-Jul-2011 16:26:24] <mattray> which they very rarely did
[12-Jul-2011 16:26:46] <rmatte> right, but now we have a situation where our ZenPacks are basically all held hostage (in a fashion)
[12-Jul-2011 16:27:00] <mattray> no, you licensed them to Zenoss, you still own them
[12-Jul-2011 16:27:02] <rmatte> not exactly great for a community that is supposed to be open
[12-Jul-2011 16:27:27] <mattray> the contributor agreement says Zenoss has a license to do whatever they want with them, you still own your copy
[12-Jul-2011 16:27:31] <rmatte> mattray: in the fine print of the agreement it says that they have power of attorney to use or license the code in any way
[12-Jul-2011 16:27:44] <rmatte> that's taking it too far
[12-Jul-2011 16:27:46] <mattray> right. But as the owner you can do that too
[12-Jul-2011 16:28:07] <nyeates> i think the power of attorney language is if you are not contactable (brain dead, dead, lengthy away)
[12-Jul-2011 16:28:40] <rmatte> well, I could understand those circumstances, but the way it's worded doesn't lend to that assumption
[12-Jul-2011 16:28:47] <rmatte> "If we are unable to obtain your signature"
[12-Jul-2011 16:28:50] <rmatte> is the way it's worded
[12-Jul-2011 16:29:04] <nyeates> Yeah....vague
[12-Jul-2011 16:29:12] <nyeates> lawyeres love it that way heh
[12-Jul-2011 16:29:23] <Hackman238> Legal critera are often vauge so interpreted values can be 'proven' as valid.
[12-Jul-2011 16:29:26] <rmatte> It should have been worded like "If you are incapacitated"
[12-Jul-2011 16:30:18] <rmatte> the whole thing is vague and at the very least needs to be rewritten
[12-Jul-2011 16:30:41] <mattray> anyhoo… back to my writeup for #monitoringsucks
[12-Jul-2011 16:30:48] <rmatte> lol
[12-Jul-2011 16:32:07] <nyeates> hahaha, writeup? ay chi wa wa
[12-Jul-2011 16:32:09] <Hackman238> mattray: ?
[12-Jul-2011 16:32:25] <mattray> http://lusislog.blogspot.com/2011/07/monitoring-sucks-round-2-fight.html
[12-Jul-2011 16:32:26] <Hackman238> mattray: Sounds interesting.
[12-Jul-2011 16:32:49] <rmatte> yeh I just gave that a read, definitely interesting
[12-Jul-2011 16:32:50] <mattray> there're are a bunch of folks dissatisfied with the current state of monitoring
[12-Jul-2011 16:33:06] <mattray> and an IRC channel to boot
[12-Jul-2011 16:33:55] <mattray> lots of the ##infra-talk and ##devops folks
[12-Jul-2011 16:34:37] <Hackman238> mattray: Win on that. Added to my list of areas to contribute.
[12-Jul-2011 16:35:09] <Hackman238> mattray: Maybe get some fresh new takes on monitoring and 'reinvent' Core a little
[12-Jul-2011 16:35:15] <mattray> I'm writing up a post about shared terminology
[12-Jul-2011 16:35:19] <mattray> Hackman238: definitely
[12-Jul-2011 16:35:43] <Hackman238> mattray: Have a mailing list or just the blog?
[12-Jul-2011 16:36:15] <mattray> it's still fairly nascent, an IRC meeting right before Velocity and another in the planning stages
[12-Jul-2011 16:36:28] <mattray> https://github.com/monitoringsucks
[12-Jul-2011 16:37:39] <rmatte> lol, the readme file for Zenoss is just www.zenoss.com
[12-Jul-2011 16:38:03] <mattray> yeah, I've been meaning to write something
[12-Jul-2011 16:38:26] <rmatte> would be nice to at least get the community link in there since the main site is very enterprise-centric right now
[12-Jul-2011 16:38:55] <mattray> rmatte: I'll merge a pull request
[12-Jul-2011 16:39:21] <rmatte>
[12-Jul-2011 16:40:40] <Hackman238> mattray: Nice
[12-Jul-2011 16:44:53] <Hackman238> *envisions the impending evolution of the community*
[12-Jul-2011 16:56:38] * rmatte yawns
[12-Jul-2011 16:56:41] <rmatte> is the day over yet?
[12-Jul-2011 16:56:51] <Hackman238> rmatte: Its rapidly approaching.
[12-Jul-2011 16:56:58] <Hackman238> T minus 4 minutes
[12-Jul-2011 16:57:25] <Hackman238> ...then a nice 40 minute ride in traffic and 250F weather LOL
[12-Jul-2011 16:57:32] <rmatte> yeh, I'm supposed to stay until 7 but I have a bunch of changes to do tonight so I think I'll be out of here shortly too
[12-Jul-2011 16:57:44] <rmatte> 250F? what's that in C?
[12-Jul-2011 16:57:45] * JohnnyNOC can't leave until this Cisco MIB ZenPack is installed
[12-Jul-2011 16:57:48] <JohnnyNOC> 5 hours!
[12-Jul-2011 16:57:56] <JohnnyNOC> jk
[12-Jul-2011 16:58:00] <Hackman238> rmatte: I'm just kidding about the temp, but its painfully hot Im sure
[12-Jul-2011 16:58:08] <rmatte> 121, you're obviously joking
[12-Jul-2011 16:58:16] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: LOL
[12-Jul-2011 16:58:35] <Hackman238> rmatte: Then again, I'm sure its near that in the car right now
[12-Jul-2011 16:58:44] <rmatte> It's 83 degrees farenheit here right now
[12-Jul-2011 16:58:49] <JohnnyNOC> it's the last zenpack i want to install before i untar this backup of my other collector over it
[12-Jul-2011 16:58:52] <Hackman238> rmatte: Not bad
[12-Jul-2011 16:59:02] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Gotcha
[12-Jul-2011 16:59:06] <rmatte> but we go down to -28F in the winter
[12-Jul-2011 16:59:10] <rmatte> so we get both extremes
[12-Jul-2011 16:59:10] <rmatte> lol
[12-Jul-2011 16:59:21] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte where do you live?
[12-Jul-2011 16:59:21] <rmatte> or is it -22, I forget
[12-Jul-2011 16:59:34] <Hackman238> rmatte: Pretty cold. Colder than NY LL
[12-Jul-2011 16:59:38] <Hackman238> *LOL
[12-Jul-2011 16:59:39] <rmatte> ah yeh, -22 to -24
[12-Jul-2011 16:59:50] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: Ottawa, Canada
[12-Jul-2011 16:59:51] <JohnnyNOC> it's pretty bad in Chicago i have to say
[12-Jul-2011 17:00:10] <nyeates> rocket should chime in here with his winter temps
[12-Jul-2011 17:00:12] <rmatte> We get hot summers and cold ass winters
[12-Jul-2011 17:00:12] <nyeates> its insane
[12-Jul-2011 17:00:37] <JohnnyNOC> yea it's probably not as bad here but winters are too cold and summers are too hot and humid.. and short.
[12-Jul-2011 17:00:37] <JohnnyNOC>
[12-Jul-2011 17:00:41] <Hackman238> nyeates: Oh yeah, Montana, right?
[12-Jul-2011 17:01:05] <nyeates> Minnesota
[12-Jul-2011 17:01:13] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yeah the humidity is killer
[12-Jul-2011 17:01:15] <rmatte> the worst I've seen here coldwise was -42F (at which point it's basically also -42C because of the conversion)
[12-Jul-2011 17:01:25] <Hackman238> nyeates: Oh damn.
[12-Jul-2011 17:01:39] <rmatte> You walk outside on days like that and your nostrils freeze shut
[12-Jul-2011 17:01:40] <rmatte> lol
[12-Jul-2011 17:01:58] <Hackman238> rmatte: -42??? where at, the northern cost of canada?
[12-Jul-2011 17:02:18] <rmatte> Right here in Ottawa, I've seen it get that cold, but very rarely
[12-Jul-2011 17:02:30] <Hackman238> rmatte: Wow
[12-Jul-2011 17:03:00] <Hackman238> rmatte: You need more pollution to warm that place up! LOL Just kidding
[12-Jul-2011 17:03:09] <rmatte> lol
[12-Jul-2011 17:03:10] <Hackman238> You can take some of ours floating over SA
[12-Jul-2011 17:03:16] <rmatte> we'll pass thanks
[12-Jul-2011 17:03:26] <Hackman238> Or soem of it living downtown LOL
[12-Jul-2011 17:03:31] <rmatte> If we did it would be a furnace here in summer
[12-Jul-2011 17:03:35] <rmatte> it's already quite hot
[12-Jul-2011 17:03:41] <Hackman238> Alrighty, wouldnt be neighborly if I didnt offer
[12-Jul-2011 17:03:47] <rmatte> lol
[12-Jul-2011 17:03:54] <Hackman238> LOL
[12-Jul-2011 17:04:04] <Hackman238> Have to run. Later all!
[12-Jul-2011 17:04:59] <rmatte> later
[12-Jul-2011 17:07:03] <dhopp> It's only Tuesday and I need tomorrow to be Saturday…can anybody make that happen?
[12-Jul-2011 17:07:12] <dhopp> is there a zenpack for that?
[12-Jul-2011 17:08:04] <rocket> we can see 20 below with windchill
[12-Jul-2011 17:08:17] <rocket> cars are tested in minnesota for their winter capabilities
[12-Jul-2011 17:10:47] <nyeates> ford?
[12-Jul-2011 17:11:08] <nyeates> Found On Road Dead..... i used to have one tho
[12-Jul-2011 17:11:18] <rmatte> rocket: yeh, so your guy's temperatures are fairly comparable to ours in winter, you just don't have quite the lows that we do
[12-Jul-2011 17:11:57] <nyeates> rmatte: You should cool supercomputers outside, up there
[12-Jul-2011 17:12:27] <rmatte> nyeates: too much humidity here
[12-Jul-2011 17:13:00] <rmatte> could probably be done in saskatchewan, they always have really dry colds
[12-Jul-2011 17:13:44] <nyeates> sweet, we got a local dependancy rpm for avalon.... no more super hard installs
[12-Jul-2011 17:13:58] <nyeates> hopefully that trickles down to communioty in time :-)
[12-Jul-2011 17:13:59] <rmatte> cool
[12-Jul-2011 17:14:19] <rmatte> I didn't find the rpm install super hard at all
[12-Jul-2011 17:14:20] <rmatte> lol
[12-Jul-2011 17:14:39] <rmatte> just did it for the first time ever on Friday, it was a breeze
[12-Jul-2011 17:14:41] <nyeates> it becomes much harder with avalon
[12-Jul-2011 17:14:45] <rmatte> ah
[12-Jul-2011 17:14:54] <nyeates> not HARD
[12-Jul-2011 17:14:56] <nyeates> just complex
[12-Jul-2011 17:15:20] <rmatte>
[12-Jul-2011 17:17:54] <rmatte> doing a zeopack across my 15 servers right now
[12-Jul-2011 17:18:09] <rmatte> haven't done one in months, should speed up performance and free up quite a bit of disk
[12-Jul-2011 17:18:41] <Simon4> nyeates: it wasn't _that_ complex
[12-Jul-2011 17:18:48] <Simon4> and there were instructions at least
[12-Jul-2011 17:19:04] <rmatte> It's Zenoss, complex comes with the territory when you get in to the back-end stuff
[12-Jul-2011 17:19:05] <rmatte>
[12-Jul-2011 17:19:22] <rmatte> not that it's a bad thing, I prefer having access to the guts
[12-Jul-2011 17:19:28] <nyeates> Yeah, complex isnt the right word either.....it was just a lot of commands to cut and paste
[12-Jul-2011 17:19:37] <rmatte> tedious, perhaps?
[12-Jul-2011 17:19:39] <nyeates> and make sure each ones succeeds
[12-Jul-2011 17:19:41] <nyeates> YES
[12-Jul-2011 17:19:46] <rmatte>
[12-Jul-2011 17:20:20] <nyeates> Simon4: You tested Avalon?
[12-Jul-2011 17:22:02] <Simon4> nyeates: yeah, briefly
[12-Jul-2011 17:22:19] * Simon4 has a beta running against about 200 network devices
[12-Jul-2011 17:23:44] <rmatte> http://fineartamerica.com/images-medium/avalon-beach-patrol-paul-e-temple.jpg
[12-Jul-2011 17:26:33] * mattray misses the crab names
[12-Jul-2011 17:26:42] <rmatte> me too
[12-Jul-2011 17:26:48] <rmatte> the beach names are so blah
[12-Jul-2011 18:09:48] <willwh> hey rmatte I know you're likely busy - remember the other day I was asking about check_http socket timeouts for no forseeable reason
[12-Jul-2011 18:10:11] <willwh> well - I thought I'd solved it with a quick zoperestart - but I'd turned the cycle time up prior to that, I spoke too soon
[12-Jul-2011 18:10:41] <willwh> it seems REALLY odd - it's an IIS7 hosted site, and immediately after getting the critical email, I open the page in a browser
[12-Jul-2011 18:10:47] <willwh> and it's lightning quick
[12-Jul-2011 18:11:15] <willwh> I am assuming this is something to do with the ec2 instance zenoss is running on
[12-Jul-2011 18:11:43] <willwh> do you guys have any other recommendations for checking website uptime?
[12-Jul-2011 18:11:53] <willwh> or, status rather
[12-Jul-2011 19:11:59] <willwh> the odd thing about this is, even *just* fetching headers.... it does the same damned thing
[12-Jul-2011 19:12:15] <willwh> just as a control too - I'm testing with fiddler
[12-Jul-2011 19:12:18] <willwh> on and off....
[12-Jul-2011 19:14:54] <willwh> just to ensure it's no causing the issue, I turn off the zenoss checks and vice versa
[12-Jul-2011 19:15:16] <willwh> fiddler never has issues - even 5,000 page requests - always return in like 0.3s
[12-Jul-2011 19:15:33] <willwh> but that check_http plugin poops the bed like once every 4 or 5 requests.
[12-Jul-2011 20:24:30] <jackery_freenode> Anyone know an easy way to list all production type values and IDs in zendmd?
[12-Jul-2011 21:08:29] <otakup0pe> anyone know about custom graph points ?
[12-Jul-2011 21:08:40] <otakup0pe> trying to make a line which is the total of three other (datasource-derived) points
[12-Jul-2011 21:23:38] <otakup0pe> ah-ha figured it out
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[13-Jul-2011 07:45:22] <hmp> anyone had problems with counters getting stuck using distributed collectors on core?
[13-Jul-2011 08:18:20] <hmp> it just doesnt ping devices that are down for a longer time
[13-Jul-2011 08:55:28] <JohnnyNOC> i think there's a setting somewhere that says if i a device pings down x number of times to stop monitoring it
[13-Jul-2011 08:58:12] <hmp> JohnnyNOC: do you know where maybe?
[13-Jul-2011 08:58:57] <hmp> because it worked when it was on a local collector
[13-Jul-2011 09:00:56] <JohnnyNOC> hmp yea
[13-Jul-2011 09:00:57] <JohnnyNOC> well
[13-Jul-2011 09:01:02] <JohnnyNOC> i'm using 2.5.2, what about you?
[13-Jul-2011 09:01:16] <JohnnyNOC> if you're on 2.5.2 you can click on collectors on the left hand menu
[13-Jul-2011 09:01:24] <JohnnyNOC> and from there you'll see in the overview 'maximum ping failures'
[13-Jul-2011 09:01:33] <hmp> 3.1.0
[13-Jul-2011 09:01:41] <JohnnyNOC> maybe there's a difference between how your collectors are setup
[13-Jul-2011 09:01:41] <JohnnyNOC> ok
[13-Jul-2011 09:01:48] <JohnnyNOC> i imagine it's still similar to 2.5.2
[13-Jul-2011 09:01:57] <JohnnyNOC> let me poke around on my 3.1.0 install
[13-Jul-2011 09:02:15] <JohnnyNOC> advanced->collectors
[13-Jul-2011 09:02:24] <JohnnyNOC> same, you see maximim ping failures
[13-Jul-2011 09:02:49] <JohnnyNOC> so maybe your collectors have difference values for that?
[13-Jul-2011 09:03:00] <hmp> found it
[13-Jul-2011 09:03:01] <hmp> no
[13-Jul-2011 09:04:11] <hmp> but according to thread/13259, that shouldnt matter
[13-Jul-2011 09:04:21] <hmp> and my devices have 1.5k+
[13-Jul-2011 09:05:23] <JohnnyNOC> just can't think of another reason it would stop pinging devices that have been down for a long time
[13-Jul-2011 09:05:33] <JohnnyNOC> maybe someone else here will pipe up and have something to offer
[13-Jul-2011 09:08:33] <hmp> i changed it to 0, now will see
[13-Jul-2011 09:11:47] <JohnnyNOC> good luck my friend
[13-Jul-2011 09:13:09] <JohnnyNOC> good afternoon Jane_Curry
[13-Jul-2011 09:13:16] <Jane_Curry> hi
[13-Jul-2011 09:13:32] <Jane_Curry> is big egor around
[13-Jul-2011 09:13:38] <JohnnyNOC> if so he hasn't spoken up
[13-Jul-2011 09:13:52] <JohnnyNOC> doesn't look like he's here unfortunately
[13-Jul-2011 09:13:52] <JohnnyNOC>
[13-Jul-2011 09:14:03] <JohnnyNOC> hmp if it still doesn't work maybe you can ask Jane_Curry
[13-Jul-2011 09:14:17] <Jane_Curry> We have an issue with the WMI Data Source ZP
[13-Jul-2011 09:14:27] <JohnnyNOC> not sure if she ever received a reply on that forum post but my guess is she has a better understanding of the max ping failures
[13-Jul-2011 09:14:32] <JohnnyNOC> Jane_Curry what kind of problem? i'm using it too
[13-Jul-2011 09:14:48] <Jane_Curry> \We have some quirky windows sytems that don't always respond
[13-Jul-2011 09:15:18] <JohnnyNOC> heh
[13-Jul-2011 09:15:18] <Jane_Curry> Every 2 or 3 days the zenperfwmi daemon dies...
[13-Jul-2011 09:15:18] <JohnnyNOC> yea
[13-Jul-2011 09:15:38] <JohnnyNOC> i don't seem to have any problems with zenperfwmi staying up, but i do have a few devices that are problematic
[13-Jul-2011 09:16:07] <Jane_Curry> before that, cpu, memeory, disk AND Network! traffic all gradually creep up - up and down within a day, but overall, up
[13-Jul-2011 09:16:15] <JohnnyNOC> we have a mix of windows server 2003, 2008, 2008 R2, different SP installs etc. and i've never thought it was an issue with the ZP but the servers themselves
[13-Jul-2011 09:16:18] <hmp> Jane_Curry: do you know if in 3.1.0 max ping failures does that it is supposed to do?
[13-Jul-2011 09:16:46] <Jane_Curry> I heard that the fping zp may do the same
[13-Jul-2011 09:17:26] <JohnnyNOC> we don't use that zenpack unfortunately. but like i said, we do have some devices with constant WMI problems and others with flapping WMI problems
[13-Jul-2011 09:17:48] <JohnnyNOC> however i think it's an issue with the machines vs a prob with the zenpack.. just mho though
[13-Jul-2011 09:17:51] <Jane_Curry> the zenperfwmi.log gets error messages with NT_STATUS_TOO_MANY_OPENED_FILES from all WMI devices eventually and it then barfs out
[13-Jul-2011 09:18:00] <Jane_Curry> needs manually restarting
[13-Jul-2011 09:18:27] <JohnnyNOC> Jane_Curry i've never seen that error. but i've read a lot about WMI leaking memory, or being run too often
[13-Jul-2011 09:18:28] <Jane_Curry> I agree it's an issue with the target systems, but it shouldn't barf the daemon
[13-Jul-2011 09:18:52] <JohnnyNOC> there was a forum post about how one user was hitting his windows machine 45x a second and that was causing the WMI Service on the system to have problems
[13-Jul-2011 09:19:16] <JohnnyNOC> Jane_Curry i agree
[13-Jul-2011 09:30:07] <hmp> JohnnyNOC: think you were right
[13-Jul-2011 09:30:31] <hmp> ill just edit in in the zenping.py source instead of raising it to 999999999999999999999999999
[13-Jul-2011 09:30:42] <hmp> but that sux, 0 should be unlimited
[13-Jul-2011 09:37:55] <JohnnyNOC> woo
[13-Jul-2011 09:37:58] <JohnnyNOC> i was right about something!
[13-Jul-2011 10:18:27] <jackery_freenode> otakup0pe: 12-07-2011 18:23:38 < otakup0pe!~rewt@stargate.eghetto.ca: ah-ha figured it out
[13-Jul-2011 10:18:50] <jackery_freenode> good to list solutions in here; I believe the transcript is logged and published in a search-indexed location
[13-Jul-2011 10:24:00] <Hackman238> Hi all
[13-Jul-2011 10:25:42] <JohnnyNOC> good morning Hackman238
[13-Jul-2011 10:25:56] <JohnnyNOC> I think my backup/install worked.. many thanks for the advice.
[13-Jul-2011 10:26:08] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: All up and running?
[13-Jul-2011 10:26:14] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Glad to hear
[13-Jul-2011 10:26:21] <JohnnyNOC> yea, but i think SNMP is blocked from this netblock
[13-Jul-2011 10:26:40] <JohnnyNOC> heh.. so my test device on the collector is having a few problems but things seem good otherwise
[13-Jul-2011 10:26:46] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Ah, have to rain fire on the firewall folks
[13-Jul-2011 10:27:15] <JohnnyNOC> yea
[13-Jul-2011 10:27:42] <JohnnyNOC> hopefully that's the only issue i'm going to run into.. all the daemons started fine. i didn't see any errors when moving the device to this collector and so on
[13-Jul-2011 10:28:44] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Gotcha. Let me know if you need anymore help with it...remote collectors can be a pain sometimes
[13-Jul-2011 10:31:05] <Jane_Curry> HI Hackman238
[13-Jul-2011 10:31:06] <Keo-w> so i just setup a new user in zenoss. he's not getting alerts taht i get. i'm zenmanager. i put him as zenuser. what's the difference between zenuser and zenmanager?
[13-Jul-2011 10:31:46] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Morning Jane! How goes the war?
[13-Jul-2011 10:32:59] <jmp242> Keo-w: you will need him to create his own alerting rules
[13-Jul-2011 10:33:12] <jmp242> or you'll need to create a group that you create alerting rules on
[13-Jul-2011 10:33:16] <jmp242> and add him to that user group
[13-Jul-2011 10:33:35] <Keo-w> ah, gotcha. thanks.
[13-Jul-2011 10:54:40] <Jane_Curry> Hackman238 - can you see the earlier post about the WMI data source ZenPack???
[13-Jul-2011 10:59:08] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: Hum. I cant say I've seen that error. Are sessions stuck open on either side? Try bouncing the WMI service on one of the Win boxes and see if that help.s
[13-Jul-2011 10:59:18] <Hackman238> Jane_Curry: I dont work with WMI often.
[13-Jul-2011 11:03:33] <Jane_Curry> Don't seem to have stuck sessions
[13-Jul-2011 11:05:11] <dpetzel> wondering if anyone has ever run into anything like this before? message/59795#59795
[13-Jul-2011 11:10:29] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 the link to the poll seems proken
[13-Jul-2011 11:10:44] <JohnnyNOC> there's a trailing ) in the URL
[13-Jul-2011 11:11:04] <JohnnyNOC> groups/community-documentors/blog/2011/07/11/zenoss-community-alliance-zca)
[13-Jul-2011 11:32:52] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Looks like its working
[13-Jul-2011 11:34:59] <Hackman238> Documentation poll shows mixed results
[13-Jul-2011 11:35:36] <Hackman238> Bizare. I sure hope the zenoss folks arent intentionally skewing it...I do keep logs
[13-Jul-2011 11:35:50] <Hackman238> *Bizarre
[13-Jul-2011 11:36:04] <JohnnyNOC> i clicked on the link in your forum post and it's broken. not until i manually removed the trailing ) did it work
[13-Jul-2011 11:36:16] <JohnnyNOC> but i did think the poll results were odd. why would anyone say that they shouldn't release any docs
[13-Jul-2011 11:36:18] <JohnnyNOC> :/
[13-Jul-2011 11:36:32] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Oh gotcha. Let me look there.
[13-Jul-2011 11:37:13] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yeah sounds like someone trying to pull one over. I'll strip out non unique hits and filter for Zenoss's and rockets subnet ranges
[13-Jul-2011 11:37:50] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Maybe not though. Hard to say. Cant hurt to check
[13-Jul-2011 11:39:51] <dpetzel> @JohnnyNOC I think the answer to some of the NO answers could hinge on the wording "regardless of maturity"
[13-Jul-2011 11:39:59] <dpetzel> I myself am on the fenc on which to answer because of that
[13-Jul-2011 11:40:06] <dpetzel> crappy documentation can sometimes be worse than no documentation
[13-Jul-2011 11:41:22] <Hackman238> dpetzel: Even if its rewritten by ZCA?
[13-Jul-2011 11:41:38] <dpetzel> nope, not then
[13-Jul-2011 11:41:56] <dpetzel> My struggle with the decision is whether its feasible to interject a middle man
[13-Jul-2011 11:41:56] <Hackman238> dpetzel: So wouldnt you pick yes, relase to zca to re-release?
[13-Jul-2011 11:42:21] <Hackman238> dpetzel: Isnt that what we do now though?
[13-Jul-2011 11:42:23] <dpetzel> that is what Im leaning toward, just stewwing on the bottleneck it creates and if it outwighs immature documentation
[13-Jul-2011 11:43:23] <dpetzel> I think my ideal answer would be something "The the whole community, with some rating of how mature it it"
[13-Jul-2011 11:43:44] <dpetzel> so if I look at a doc and it says (I spent 13 seconds lifting this from someones email) I can take that into consideration
[13-Jul-2011 11:43:45] <Hackman238> dpetzel: Should I place a other option?
[13-Jul-2011 11:44:10] <Hackman238> dpetzel: Or another option in general?
[13-Jul-2011 11:44:45] <dpetzel> Its a good question.... I think I personally would like another option "To the whole community, with a maturity rating"
[13-Jul-2011 11:44:59] <Hackman238> ....heh I see some non uniques too.
[13-Jul-2011 11:45:08] <Hackman238> dpetzel: That seems like a good idea.
[13-Jul-2011 11:45:13] <Hackman238> dpetzel: Consider it done
[13-Jul-2011 11:45:32] <dpetzel> cool, I'll case my now non-anomyous vote once its ready
[13-Jul-2011 11:45:39] <dpetzel> man i cant type...
[13-Jul-2011 11:46:46] <Hackman238> dpetzel: Its up.
[13-Jul-2011 11:46:53] <dpetzel> yeap, voted thanks
[13-Jul-2011 11:46:55] <Hackman238> dpetzel: We appreciate the input
[13-Jul-2011 11:47:06] <Hackman238> dpetzel: Thats a very good idea that I dont think came up
[13-Jul-2011 11:47:55] <JohnnyNOC> so i've got some linux machines that have a lot of "continuing to wait for response from xyz for 531s" causing unknown values to be shwon for like filesystem bytes free/used etc
[13-Jul-2011 11:48:15] <JohnnyNOC> 2011-07-13 10:38:26,839 WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Continuing to wait for response from PSLCHI6DRND1 after 531.035672903 seconds
[13-Jul-2011 11:48:21] <JohnnyNOC> do i just have too many devices on this collecotr?
[13-Jul-2011 11:48:23] <JohnnyNOC> :/
[13-Jul-2011 11:48:30] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: It means that the packets went out but never came back.
[13-Jul-2011 11:49:01] <Simon4> or it's using snmpv3 and zenperfsnmp failed to catch the auth failure
[13-Jul-2011 11:49:01] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: It could mean zenperf is overloaded, but generally it'll operate in a spotty fashion before it'll just hang
[13-Jul-2011 11:49:04] <JohnnyNOC> that i understand but what can i do to rectify it
[13-Jul-2011 11:49:18] <Hackman238> Simon4: good point
[13-Jul-2011 11:49:22] <JohnnyNOC> so that i don't have these "unknown" values
[13-Jul-2011 11:49:22] <Simon4> we had to patch zenperfsnmp here so it caught v3 errors better
[13-Jul-2011 11:49:33] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: What version of snmp?
[13-Jul-2011 11:49:38] <JohnnyNOC> 2c
[13-Jul-2011 11:50:07] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: from the collector try snmpwalk -v2c -c (your community) (problem device ip)
[13-Jul-2011 11:50:25] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: If that works and it returns quickly and consistant its probably not network.
[13-Jul-2011 11:50:35] <JohnnyNOC> works just fine
[13-Jul-2011 11:50:49] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: If it doesnt work or it works but its dodgey or hangs and continues that'll cause zenperf problems
[13-Jul-2011 11:50:53] <JohnnyNOC> my feeling is it's zenperfsnmp being overloaded.. there are a few other devices doing the same thing
[13-Jul-2011 11:51:16] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: How many oids are you collecting on it?
[13-Jul-2011 11:51:45] <JohnnyNOC> aka how many datapoints?
[13-Jul-2011 11:52:01] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Generally yes
[13-Jul-2011 11:52:14] <JohnnyNOC> on this collector, the avg is 20.82k
[13-Jul-2011 11:52:47] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Shouldnt be overlaoded. If you vmstat -n 1, whats the average io wait?
[13-Jul-2011 11:53:30] <JohnnyNOC> 15-25%
[13-Jul-2011 11:53:52] <JohnnyNOC> which is why i have this newly built collector with SSD in it.. it's supposed to replace this collector while this one gets an SSD added
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[13-Jul-2011 12:04:05] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: 15-25%? Your disk is probably the bottleneck
[13-Jul-2011 12:04:27] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I suspect zenperfsnmp cant dump results fast enough.
[13-Jul-2011 12:04:45] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: install iotop and then iotop -c -P
[13-Jul-2011 12:05:23] <simonjj> JonnyNOC, the easiest way to find out if you got IO issues, is to take out writing of performance data from zenperfsnmp
[13-Jul-2011 12:05:37] <simonjj> your cycle times should drop dramatically thereafter
[13-Jul-2011 12:06:04] <simonjj> but with a 15-25% iowait, I can already tell you that you got IO issues
[13-Jul-2011 12:06:07] <JohnnyNOC> well, i know we have IO issues no question about that
[13-Jul-2011 12:06:09] <simonjj> sever ones at that
[13-Jul-2011 12:06:43] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Sorry, iotop -a -P
[13-Jul-2011 12:06:45] <simonjj> when I have a slow disk I sometimes make a ramdisk to keep the RRDs
[13-Jul-2011 12:07:04] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Then sort by write.
[13-Jul-2011 12:07:10] <simonjj> then just rsync the ramdisk to disk for backup (every 15min)
[13-Jul-2011 12:07:44] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 i can't install iotop.. i think my linux admin said we need a new kernel first
[13-Jul-2011 12:08:10] <JohnnyNOC> simonjj ramdisk is something to consider, but we've got an SSD waiting for this particular machine. just need to migrate off of it first. which i think is nearly complete thanks to some helpful advice from Hackman238
[13-Jul-2011 12:08:11] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: really>
[13-Jul-2011 12:08:13] <Hackman238> ?
[13-Jul-2011 12:08:25] <JohnnyNOC> if i recall correctly, perhaps we were talkign about something else
[13-Jul-2011 12:08:34] <JohnnyNOC> at the very least it's not in of the current repositories the machine is setup to use
[13-Jul-2011 12:08:44] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Oh gotcha.
[13-Jul-2011 12:08:44] <JohnnyNOC> but even then.. we know io is a big issue without question
[13-Jul-2011 12:08:57] <JohnnyNOC> but is there nothing i can do in the meantime so i don't have these problems?
[13-Jul-2011 12:09:02] <JohnnyNOC> is it a matter of increasing cycle times?
[13-Jul-2011 12:09:25] <simonjj> *winky*winky*: we'll have zenrrdcached in the next version
[13-Jul-2011 12:09:56] <simonjj> in the meantime you could use noatime on your filesystem
[13-Jul-2011 12:10:08] <JohnnyNOC> looking forward to that. and we're already using noatime.
[13-Jul-2011 12:10:09] <JohnnyNOC> :/
[13-Jul-2011 12:10:17] <Simon4> rrdcached goot
[13-Jul-2011 12:10:27] <Simon4> 30% IOwait to 0.5% here
[13-Jul-2011 12:10:32] <simonjj> defaults,noatime,nodiratime,data=writeback,commit=100
[13-Jul-2011 12:10:47] <simonjj> you could even crank the commit time up a little
[13-Jul-2011 12:10:59] <simonjj> otherwise the only thing you can do to really help is ramdisk
[13-Jul-2011 12:11:03] <JohnnyNOC> simon4 are you using core?
[13-Jul-2011 12:11:08] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Hum. I wouldnt increase the cycle times because it only solves the problem over a few cycles, it'll snowball later
[13-Jul-2011 12:11:16] <Simon4> JohnnyNOC: no, that was on a beta of the next ver
[13-Jul-2011 12:11:25] * Simon4 wants the full ver :/
[13-Jul-2011 12:11:31] <simonjj> that'll get rid of your IO issues altogether
[13-Jul-2011 12:11:55] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: ramdisk will help, also data=writeback if ext3/4
[13-Jul-2011 12:12:24] <simonjj> check this for the painful details: http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool-trac/wiki/TuningRRD
[13-Jul-2011 12:13:42] <JohnnyNOC> actually looks like it was setup as xfs
[13-Jul-2011 12:13:45] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Block optimization always fun with RAID's
[13-Jul-2011 12:13:51] <JohnnyNOC> /dev/cciss/c0d0p4 /usr/local/zenoss xfs noatime,nodiratime,logbufs=8 0 0
[13-Jul-2011 12:14:57] <Hackman238> http://www.ilsistemista.net/index.php/linux-a-unix/6-linux-filesystems-benchmarked-ext3-vs-ext4-vs-xfs-vs-btrfs.html?start=2
[13-Jul-2011 12:18:20] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I'd say xfs shouldnt be an issue
[13-Jul-2011 12:19:07] <JohnnyNOC> when i add a new device into zenoss, does it get added to the "end" so that when zenperfsnmp runs it's the last one checked?
[13-Jul-2011 12:19:39] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: When its added its config gets pushed to the daemon
[13-Jul-2011 12:20:14] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Later, when the daemon is restarted, the device will not be at the end
[13-Jul-2011 12:20:19] <JohnnyNOC> reason i ask is because i see other devices with similar log entries who's wait times have gotten slower
[13-Jul-2011 12:20:21] <JohnnyNOC> ah
[13-Jul-2011 12:20:23] <JohnnyNOC> intersting
[13-Jul-2011 12:20:42] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: The reason is the daemon will ask zenoss for a full config
[13-Jul-2011 12:21:03] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I might suggest you restart zenperf.
[13-Jul-2011 12:21:07] <Hackman238> Devices shouldnt wait forever
[13-Jul-2011 12:21:27] <JohnnyNOC> ok
[13-Jul-2011 12:21:29] <JohnnyNOC> bouncing it
[13-Jul-2011 12:21:32] <JohnnyNOC> sigh
[13-Jul-2011 12:21:38] <JohnnyNOC> i can't wait to get this damn SSD in here
[13-Jul-2011 12:21:41] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Usually zenperfsnmp will do all its collection and fail when trying to dump data on to disk when theres an io issue
[13-Jul-2011 12:21:53] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Make sure the daemon dies
[13-Jul-2011 12:22:12] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Often zendaemon restart wont wait long enough for a busy daemon to stop before starting another
[13-Jul-2011 12:22:16] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*
[13-Jul-2011 12:22:24] <JohnnyNOC> i see that pretty often
[13-Jul-2011 12:22:45] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: We could also add some config caching lines to help reducing the daemons load against zenhub
[13-Jul-2011 12:23:09] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: do you have connection limits on this box?
[13-Jul-2011 12:23:17] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: *low connection limits
[13-Jul-2011 12:23:25] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: That could explain forever wait
[13-Jul-2011 12:23:44] <JohnnyNOC> i'm not sure really
[13-Jul-2011 12:24:03] <JohnnyNOC> is this something i can check sysctl for? or do you mean like at L2/L3
[13-Jul-2011 12:24:46] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/410616/increasing-the-maximum-number-of-tcp-ip-connections-in-linux
[13-Jul-2011 12:24:50] <Hackman238> BRB
[13-Jul-2011 12:27:57] <Hackman238> Back
[13-Jul-2011 12:29:37] <JohnnyNOC> but how do i find out if i'm running into these limits
[13-Jul-2011 12:29:58] <JohnnyNOC> looking at perf interfaces it doesn't look like we're hitting any limits
[13-Jul-2011 12:32:15] <JohnnyNOC> i don't want to spend too much time looking into it or thinking about it. i've got this new machine with an SSD ready to take over for this guy until it can be rebuilt. when it's rebuilt it's going to be a 2nd physical collector also with an SSD
[13-Jul-2011 12:32:21] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: could be a few things
[13-Jul-2011 12:32:26] <JohnnyNOC> so our IO needs should be greatly reduced
[13-Jul-2011 12:32:45] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yep. Are devices still pending forever?
[13-Jul-2011 12:33:31] <JohnnyNOC> looks like i won't know for another 15 minutes
[13-Jul-2011 12:33:42] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: If any are, try this as zenoss: zenperfsnmp run now -v10 -d (problem device name)
[13-Jul-2011 12:33:44] <JohnnyNOC> but the particular device not showing it's used/free bytes is now doing so
[13-Jul-2011 12:34:02] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Gotcha. check it again in a bit and let me know
[13-Jul-2011 12:34:19] <JohnnyNOC> absolutely
[13-Jul-2011 12:36:34] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: http://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/localnews/9134783.BREAKING_NEWS__Road_covered_in_crabs_after_lorry_overturns_on_the_A35/?ref=mr
[13-Jul-2011 12:38:05] <jackery_freenode> Anyone know of a good way to get all possible production types and integral IDs via zendmd or similar scriptable API?
[13-Jul-2011 12:39:08] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Also: http://www.instantelevatormusic.com/nyan-cat-progress-bar
[13-Jul-2011 12:39:25] <JohnnyNOC> llol
[13-Jul-2011 12:39:27] <Hackman238> jackery_freenode: Production type?
[13-Jul-2011 12:39:30] <JohnnyNOC> whats up with these crabs
[13-Jul-2011 12:39:41] <Hackman238> jackery_freenode: Do you mean the production status?
[13-Jul-2011 12:39:51] <Hackman238> or production state?
[13-Jul-2011 12:40:06] <jackery_freenode> state I believe
[13-Jul-2011 12:40:14] <jackery_freenode> eg maintenance, production, etc.
[13-Jul-2011 12:40:36] <Hackman238> jackery_freenode: gotcha. Get, dmd scriptable. What do you mean by intergral id?
[13-Jul-2011 12:40:46] <jackery_freenode> The ID integer
[13-Jul-2011 12:40:47] <Hackman238> s/get/yes/
[13-Jul-2011 12:41:09] <jackery_freenode> (Like 1000, 300, etc)
[13-Jul-2011 12:41:18] <Hackman238> jackery_freenode: Oh gotcha
[13-Jul-2011 12:41:51] <Hackman238> jackery_freenode: let me figure real quick
[13-Jul-2011 12:42:11] <jackery_freenode> Hackman238: awesome, thanks!
[13-Jul-2011 12:42:12] <JohnnyNOC> jackery_freenode you could write a script to check the production state of all the devices in dmd
[13-Jul-2011 12:42:21] <JohnnyNOC> well, i guess that wouldn't show you all of them
[13-Jul-2011 12:42:22] <JohnnyNOC> sorry
[13-Jul-2011 12:42:38] <jackery_freenode> JohnnyNOC: Yeah, not really feasible for this application, either.
[13-Jul-2011 12:42:43] <jackery_freenode> I'm dealing with 1000s of devices
[13-Jul-2011 12:42:48] <jackery_freenode> so iteration would take too long for user experience.
[13-Jul-2011 12:44:00] <klone> for ps in dmd.prodStateConversions: print p
[13-Jul-2011 12:44:18] <Hackman238> jackery_freenode: Wait, do you want all possabilities or the status of a device?
[13-Jul-2011 12:44:50] <klone> that will give you the string and integer values for the available states, and you can parse out what you want
[13-Jul-2011 12:44:53] <JohnnyNOC> what klone said looks right
[13-Jul-2011 12:45:38] <Hackman238> Almost, for ps in dmd.prodStateConversions: print ps
[13-Jul-2011 12:45:45] <jackery_freenode> klone: perfect
[13-Jul-2011 12:45:46] <jackery_freenode> works great
[13-Jul-2011 12:45:57] <jackery_freenode> been digging around for a little while trying to find that
[13-Jul-2011 12:46:07] <jackery_freenode> Great support channel here.
[13-Jul-2011 12:46:19] <klone> Hackman238: thanks, nice catch
[13-Jul-2011 12:46:46] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 thought about a ZCA fund?
[13-Jul-2011 12:47:02] <Hackman238> klone: Thank you for helping out
[13-Jul-2011 12:47:22] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I'm talking to Rackspace, NSF and Google.
[13-Jul-2011 12:47:25] <JohnnyNOC> jackery_freenode we have nothing else better to do
[13-Jul-2011 12:47:41] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: A friend of mine has a monster scale Zenoss Core install in Zenoss Labs
[13-Jul-2011 12:47:53] <Hackman238> *Google Labs
[13-Jul-2011 12:47:57] <Hackman238> LOL
[13-Jul-2011 12:48:56] <JohnnyNOC> ah
[13-Jul-2011 12:49:17] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: 30K device rollout
[13-Jul-2011 12:49:28] <JohnnyNOC> JohnnyNOC ah.. sounds like 1 cluster.
[13-Jul-2011 12:49:31] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Google funding and backing = Win for us
[13-Jul-2011 12:49:45] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Rackspace support is a hole in one already
[13-Jul-2011 12:50:01] * Simon4 imagines google ads on zenoss core "It seems you're having hardware issues, would you like to buy a support contract?"
[13-Jul-2011 12:50:02] <otakup0pe> jackery_freenode: the solution was me remembering how RPN works
[13-Jul-2011 12:50:05] <JohnnyNOC> will they want some foundation to donate to?
[13-Jul-2011 12:50:17] <JohnnyNOC> i'd think they'd be skeptical to sign checks to "Hackman238"
[13-Jul-2011 12:50:18] <JohnnyNOC>
[13-Jul-2011 12:50:18] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: NFS will depend on many things
[13-Jul-2011 12:50:34] <Hackman238> Simon4: LOL
[13-Jul-2011 12:50:59] <jackery_freenode> otakup0pe:
[13-Jul-2011 12:51:11] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Agreed, we would need to coordinate something for the community or have a business volunteer management of those resources.
[13-Jul-2011 12:51:44] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I would love to, but I've enough management with my businesses and projects.
[13-Jul-2011 12:51:54] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*
[13-Jul-2011 12:51:55] <JohnnyNOC> can't blame ya
[13-Jul-2011 12:52:00] <JohnnyNOC> youo're too busy helping people in here ayway
[13-Jul-2011 12:52:01] <JohnnyNOC> anyway
[13-Jul-2011 12:52:01] <JohnnyNOC>
[13-Jul-2011 12:52:06] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC:
[13-Jul-2011 12:52:21] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: recently been working with the NRC on approval of another project of mine long delayed
[13-Jul-2011 12:52:41] <Hackman238> Very exciting times this June has been
[13-Jul-2011 12:52:49] <Hackman238> July rather
[13-Jul-2011 12:53:06] <Hackman238> ...I'm so burried in work cannot recall the month LOL
[13-Jul-2011 12:53:10] <JohnnyNOC> heh
[13-Jul-2011 12:53:19] <JohnnyNOC> all sounds good man
[13-Jul-2011 12:53:28] <JohnnyNOC> so let me ask you this
[13-Jul-2011 12:53:34] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: 42
[13-Jul-2011 12:53:38] <Hackman238>
[13-Jul-2011 12:53:39] <JohnnyNOC> good answer
[13-Jul-2011 12:53:54] <JohnnyNOC> but i was just going to say
[13-Jul-2011 12:54:13] <JohnnyNOC> it sounded like Bill (Zenoss CEO) was saying that Zenoss Inc. could use some help dealing with their 6 month backlog of service requests
[13-Jul-2011 12:54:28] <JohnnyNOC> any ideas of how the ZCA could possible help with that?
[13-Jul-2011 12:54:35] <JohnnyNOC> or is that more of a commercial function do you think
[13-Jul-2011 12:54:44] <JohnnyNOC> because my assumption is the backlog is with enterprise customers
[13-Jul-2011 12:55:36] <JohnnyNOC> but it almost sounded like he was putting it out there that someoen could step up and help Zenoss Inc with that
[13-Jul-2011 12:55:38] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I think the ZCA can help two ways, first my maximizing self support and by helping them fix documentation which will inturn increase our self support, their customer self support and grow the stregnth of the community
[13-Jul-2011 12:56:00] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 but couldn't it be argued that Zenoss Inc would rather have the backlog?
[13-Jul-2011 12:56:18] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yes an no. Its a great excuse
[13-Jul-2011 12:56:20] <JohnnyNOC> just playing devils advocate
[13-Jul-2011 12:56:52] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: But if I were waiting...like I am now...on zenoss...like usual...I'd eventually drop support.
[13-Jul-2011 12:57:02] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: In their protection they are truely busy.
[13-Jul-2011 12:57:04] <JohnnyNOC> yea, makes sense.
[13-Jul-2011 12:57:11] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Painfully busy.
[13-Jul-2011 12:57:16] <JohnnyNOC> yea absolutely, can't blame them for that
[13-Jul-2011 12:59:28] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: That said I particularly appreciate Rockets persistant help and truthful response here in the zenoss channel.
[13-Jul-2011 13:00:03] <JohnnyNOC> for sure
[13-Jul-2011 13:01:12] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Personally I hate it when someone gives me a line of crap when they could have jsut as easily told me 'no, Im too busy' or 'I dont have tiem right now'
[13-Jul-2011 13:01:31] <JohnnyNOC> yea, i'm the same way
[13-Jul-2011 13:34:10] <Jane_Curry> hiya
[13-Jul-2011 13:35:17] <klone> howdy
[13-Jul-2011 14:00:54] <twm1010> rmatte: around?
[13-Jul-2011 14:08:28] <simonjj> @jackery_freenode: do you still need help with your question?
[13-Jul-2011 14:09:04] <jackery_freenode> simonjj: No, thanks klone solved it
[13-Jul-2011 14:20:15] <twm1010> so, taking a look at this zenpack
[13-Jul-2011 14:20:16] <twm1010> docs/DOC-3423
[13-Jul-2011 14:20:30] <twm1010> see it was made for 2.2, extension is py2.4.egg, can i install this under 3.1?
[13-Jul-2011 14:22:01] <JohnnyNOC> twm1010 remove the -py2.4 and try to install it
[13-Jul-2011 14:31:24] <twm1010> k
[13-Jul-2011 14:44:28] <twm1010> it'd be nice if there was simply a "performance templates" database
[13-Jul-2011 15:22:25] <JohnnyNOC> [0] so i moved a device from one collector to another, then tried to move it back when i got these database conflict errors
[13-Jul-2011 15:22:30] <uifjlh> has anyone worked with a PowerWare UPS ?
[13-Jul-2011 15:22:37] <JohnnyNOC> moved it back to the collector and all is fine
[13-Jul-2011 15:22:46] <JohnnyNOC> how do i fix that problem so I can actually move it back to the original collector it was on?
[13-Jul-2011 15:40:28] <Jane_Curry> Hi twm1010
[13-Jul-2011 15:42:13] <klone> JohnnyNOC - it's likely that was a transient problem where the zodb update collided with another transaction, and trying that again will allow it to work
[13-Jul-2011 15:42:37] <twm1010> Hi Jane
[13-Jul-2011 15:43:37] <JohnnyNOC> klone i suppose but i find it unlikely. i gave it some time and tried again but still ran into the same problem
[13-Jul-2011 15:43:44] <JohnnyNOC> i restarted zope, reindex()/commit()
[13-Jul-2011 15:43:54] <JohnnyNOC> restarted zensos
[13-Jul-2011 15:43:56] <JohnnyNOC> still had the same prob
[13-Jul-2011 15:44:41] <klone> JohnnyNOC - try temporarily stopping everything except zeoctl and zopectl and moving it back
[13-Jul-2011 15:46:22] <JohnnyNOC> can't try that at the moment unforunately
[13-Jul-2011 15:53:00] <Hackman238> rocket: Do you have 5 minutes?
[13-Jul-2011 16:13:04] <twm1010> Jane_Curry: I guess what I was getting at is that having to deal with Zenpacks when all I need is an SNMP based perf template is kind of a pain
[13-Jul-2011 16:13:32] <twm1010> I find myself picking part the zenpack and just building the template
[13-Jul-2011 16:36:04] <nate1> hello
[13-Jul-2011 16:36:18] <nate1> is there a way to monitor a virtual interface on a switch for up/down?
[13-Jul-2011 16:36:24] <nate1> i.e. is the interface working or not?
[13-Jul-2011 16:41:29] <nate1> actually, it appears to be monitored under interfaces on the device
[13-Jul-2011 16:41:38] <nate1> I guess I just need to set up a notification for if it goes down
[13-Jul-2011 16:41:57] <Hackman238> nate1: it depends if its exposed in the same tree as the other interfaces. Is it here?
[13-Jul-2011 16:44:14] <Hackman238> klone: You have a minute?
[13-Jul-2011 16:44:32] <klone> Hackman238: sure thing
[13-Jul-2011 18:21:16] <JohnnyNOC> anyone have suggestions on how i could troubleshoot a zenrender problem?
[13-Jul-2011 18:21:25] <klone> what are you seeing?
[13-Jul-2011 18:21:35] <JohnnyNOC> empty graphs
[13-Jul-2011 18:21:43] <JohnnyNOC> running zenrender in debug isn't helping much
[13-Jul-2011 18:22:11] <JohnnyNOC> i set up a new collector to replace an existin one.. this collector has 2 instances, a 1 min and 5 min collector
[13-Jul-2011 18:22:11] <klone> anything interesting in the event.log?
[13-Jul-2011 18:22:31] <JohnnyNOC> i've moved devices to both collectors.. and everything seems to work ok on the 1 min collector. but the 5min collector can't render the graphs for some reason
[13-Jul-2011 18:26:15] <JohnnyNOC> nothing
[13-Jul-2011 18:26:16] <JohnnyNOC>
[13-Jul-2011 18:26:18] <JohnnyNOC>
[13-Jul-2011 18:27:01] <klone> hmm, nothing interesting in zenrender debug, and nothing in the event.log ...
[13-Jul-2011 18:27:23] <klone> this is going to sound goofy, but did you check the perms on /tmp/zenrender?
[13-Jul-2011 18:27:43] <JohnnyNOC> that doesn't exist
[13-Jul-2011 18:28:18] <JohnnyNOC> and the reason i dont think that's an issue is because it doesn't have a problem rendering graphs on the 1 min collector, but does on the 5 min collector (both on same machine)
[13-Jul-2011 18:28:30] <klone> ah, on the same box
[13-Jul-2011 18:29:34] <simonjj> JohnnyNOC, what do you get when you access just the image URL?
[13-Jul-2011 18:29:50] <simonjj> also, you mind posting the URL for the image
[13-Jul-2011 18:30:21] <JohnnyNOC> there is no image url
[13-Jul-2011 18:30:52] <JohnnyNOC> i can't right click and copy
[13-Jul-2011 18:30:53] <simonjj> we're talking about looking at device on a remote collector, correct?
[13-Jul-2011 18:30:54] <klone> if you right click on the graph page there should be a url in the page source
[13-Jul-2011 18:31:17] <simonjj> look at the page source and look for the image there
[13-Jul-2011 18:31:27] <simonjj> in case you are missing the image alltogether
[13-Jul-2011 18:31:43] <simonjj> they should be toward the bottom of that frame code
[13-Jul-2011 18:31:48] <JohnnyNOC> heh
[13-Jul-2011 18:31:52] <JohnnyNOC> i think i see it
[13-Jul-2011 18:31:54] <simonjj> keep in mind that this is a frame
[13-Jul-2011 18:31:58] <JohnnyNOC> could it be a freakin' trailing space?!
[13-Jul-2011 18:32:22] <simonjj> if the collectorname is messed up or your renderurl is off
[13-Jul-2011 18:32:23] <simonjj> yes
[13-Jul-2011 18:32:30] <JohnnyNOC> yea but a trailing space!
[13-Jul-2011 18:32:31] <JohnnyNOC> GRR
[13-Jul-2011 18:32:32] <simonjj> what does it look like?
[13-Jul-2011 18:32:45] <JohnnyNOC> it works now
[13-Jul-2011 18:32:49] <klone> %20?
[13-Jul-2011 18:32:58] <JohnnyNOC> there was a space in between the :8091 and /
[13-Jul-2011 18:32:59] <JohnnyNOC> yes
[13-Jul-2011 18:33:12] <klone> heh
[13-Jul-2011 18:33:20] <JohnnyNOC> trailign space in the render url
[13-Jul-2011 18:33:23] <JohnnyNOC> that's some bs!
[13-Jul-2011 18:33:52] <klone> there are several places we should strip() to prevent that behavior
[13-Jul-2011 18:34:02] <JohnnyNOC> yes, like in device search
[13-Jul-2011 18:34:08] <JohnnyNOC> so annoying
[13-Jul-2011 18:34:10] <JohnnyNOC> but thanks for the tips guys
[13-Jul-2011 18:34:16] <klone> glad you got it
[13-Jul-2011 18:34:43] <JohnnyNOC> yes thank you very much
[13-Jul-2011 18:35:14] <simonjj> do you go through zenhub currently ?
[13-Jul-2011 18:35:19] <simonjj> or directly to zenrender ?
[13-Jul-2011 18:35:36] <simonjj> you can get a siginificant speed-up if you go directly to zenrender
[13-Jul-2011 18:35:41] <JohnnyNOC> directly to zenrender
[13-Jul-2011 18:35:46] <simonjj> good
[13-Jul-2011 18:36:07] <simonjj> as long as your end-users can get to the collector that's the fastest way
[13-Jul-2011 18:36:43] <JohnnyNOC> gotcha
[13-Jul-2011 18:36:51] <JohnnyNOC> simonjj so you're the new community liason?
[13-Jul-2011 18:37:00] <JohnnyNOC> and klone, seems like you work for Zenoss Inc. too?
[13-Jul-2011 18:38:47] <simonjj> Community Liason....
[13-Jul-2011 18:38:52] <simonjj> that's a fancy name
[13-Jul-2011 18:39:11] <simonjj> sure, call me whatever you want.... I am here to help you guys out
[13-Jul-2011 18:39:49] <simonjj> klone doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, I think he works at McDonald's actually
[13-Jul-2011 18:40:01] <klone> can i take your order?
[13-Jul-2011 18:40:38] <simonjj> :-D
[13-Jul-2011 18:42:38] <simonjj> we really gotta make this whole collector rollout easier
[13-Jul-2011 18:42:47] <simonjj> don't we ?
[13-Jul-2011 18:43:26] <JohnnyNOC> well, i inherited a distgributed collector setup that wasn't using bigegor's zenpack
[13-Jul-2011 18:43:38] <JohnnyNOC> so it's a big p.i.t.a. for me, especially considering i had 0 experience with Zenoss when i inherited it
[13-Jul-2011 18:44:00] <klone> yes. not just the rollout, but the way it works on some levels.
[13-Jul-2011 18:45:15] <simonjj> JohnnyNOC: so things aren't all that bad after all on the documentation front then
[13-Jul-2011 18:45:37] <JohnnyNOC> well, i don't know if i'd go that far
[13-Jul-2011 18:45:56] <JohnnyNOC> i think there's a lot of room for improvement personally, but half the times i never knew if it was me, zenoss, or my half-baked setup
[13-Jul-2011 18:46:11] <JohnnyNOC> but i've found this place to be the best source of any kind of help
[13-Jul-2011 18:47:26] <simonjj> yeah, inheriting stuff you didn't setup to start with is always rough
[13-Jul-2011 18:47:39] <JohnnyNOC> and when it comes to zenpack development, i think zenoss docs are severely lacking
[13-Jul-2011 18:47:45] <simonjj> but no question, the whole collector stuff is certainly something that might need improvement
[13-Jul-2011 18:48:02] <JohnnyNOC> not sure if you're familiar with some of the arguments about documentation on this teleconference the other day
[13-Jul-2011 18:48:06] <simonjj> no question: but that's why jcurry is kicking ass
[13-Jul-2011 18:48:10] <JohnnyNOC> but a good example is someone like Jane_Curry
[13-Jul-2011 18:48:14] <JohnnyNOC> sure
[13-Jul-2011 18:48:41] <JohnnyNOC> without her help, i think we'd all be scratching our heads
[13-Jul-2011 18:50:05] <simonjj> well we got some exciting new things on the zenpack front
[13-Jul-2011 18:50:15] <simonjj> wait and see
[13-Jul-2011 18:50:30] <simonjj> it'll be pure awesomeness
[13-Jul-2011 18:50:45] <JohnnyNOC> i hope so, particularly if it makes it easier for the community to make zenpacks of their own
[13-Jul-2011 18:51:25] <simonjj> buya
[13-Jul-2011 18:53:52] <JohnnyNOC> maybe some shiny buttons too
[13-Jul-2011 18:53:57] <JohnnyNOC> that would be cool
[13-Jul-2011 18:53:59] <JohnnyNOC>
[13-Jul-2011 18:54:26] <klone> buttons for what?
[13-Jul-2011 18:54:38] <JohnnyNOC> to click
[13-Jul-2011 18:54:46] <JohnnyNOC> they don't have to do anything, just be shiny
[13-Jul-2011 18:54:59] <JohnnyNOC> i'm jk i hope you know
[13-Jul-2011 18:55:01] <klone> excellent
[13-Jul-2011 18:55:03] <klone>
[13-Jul-2011 18:55:19] <klone> ZenPacks.zenoss.Shiny.Buttons
[13-Jul-2011 18:55:44] <JohnnyNOC> hahaha that would be funny
[13-Jul-2011 18:55:49] <JohnnyNOC> i bet it would be fairly popular
[13-Jul-2011 18:56:08] <klone> i don't know, rmatte didn't seem thrilled ...
[13-Jul-2011 18:56:10] * Simon4 would like to think of a zenpack, push a shiny button and have the code magically appear
[13-Jul-2011 18:56:17] <Simon4> that, would be awesome
[13-Jul-2011 18:56:35] <klone> an 'easy button'
[13-Jul-2011 18:56:36] <JohnnyNOC> Simon4 i think simonjj was insinuating that is on the roadmap
[13-Jul-2011 18:56:51] <Simon4> JohnnyNOC: I think there should be beer if it's not
[13-Jul-2011 18:57:09] <simonjj> we got a beta
[13-Jul-2011 18:57:19] <simonjj> I don't talk about roadmap things
[13-Jul-2011 18:57:48] <simonjj> roadmap is bs -- showing real stuff is what it's all about
[13-Jul-2011 18:57:55] <JohnnyNOC> true, i agree
[13-Jul-2011 18:58:22] * Simon4 vaugely remembers the roadmap promising Avalon for Jan 2011
[13-Jul-2011 18:58:29] <Simon4> so I totally agree
[13-Jul-2011 18:59:26] <simonjj> yes, we were extremely liberal with that detail
[13-Jul-2011 18:59:35] <JohnnyNOC> how can we speed this process up
[13-Jul-2011 18:59:38] <JohnnyNOC> send beer?
[13-Jul-2011 19:00:24] <simonjj> well it's out
[13-Jul-2011 19:00:38] <simonjj> don't you read PR announcements ;-)
[13-Jul-2011 19:00:42] <JohnnyNOC> not just avalon, but the shiny zenpack button
[13-Jul-2011 19:01:24] <JohnnyNOC> t
[13-Jul-2011 19:01:25] <simonjj> ohh, very few people dedicated to enterprise care about that
[13-Jul-2011 19:01:43] <simonjj> because we already know how to write them
[13-Jul-2011 19:02:03] <JohnnyNOC> mmhmmm
[13-Jul-2011 19:02:42] <simonjj> but the good thing about Zenpacks is that we can release them independently of the main product
[13-Jul-2011 19:03:00] <simonjj> so it's going to happen fairly soon
[13-Jul-2011 19:04:08] <JohnnyNOC> well, again, thanks for your help earlier guys
[13-Jul-2011 19:04:11] <JohnnyNOC> time to finally head home
[13-Jul-2011 19:06:23] <rmatte> I'm already home, relaxing on the couch with my laptop watching top gear
[13-Jul-2011 19:10:21] <simonjj> UK or US version
[13-Jul-2011 19:10:22] <simonjj> ?
[13-Jul-2011 19:10:49] <rmatte> UK, didn't even know there was a US version
[13-Jul-2011 19:11:40] <simonjj> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_%28U.S._TV_series%29
[13-Jul-2011 19:11:54] <simonjj> it's nothing in comparison to the UK version
[13-Jul-2011 19:11:57] <simonjj> but it ain't bad
[13-Jul-2011 19:12:18] <rmatte> ah
[13-Jul-2011 19:12:31] <rmatte> I'll stick to the original hehe
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[14-Jul-2011 05:40:30] <tsener> hello
[14-Jul-2011 05:44:27] <tsener> what could cause "Lost connection to the server." error on dashboard ?
[14-Jul-2011 05:44:34] <tsener> and empty portlet content
[14-Jul-2011 05:44:40] <tsener> on version 2.5.2
[14-Jul-2011 05:45:09] <tsener> it loads contents eventually, after hitting refresh few times
[14-Jul-2011 07:41:35] <rocket> check the event.log
[14-Jul-2011 08:29:17] <Hackman238> Hey all
[14-Jul-2011 09:21:02] <Hackman238> Quiet in here today
[14-Jul-2011 09:23:36] <JohnnyNOC> IT'S CUZ I HAVEN'T HAD MY COFFEE YET
[14-Jul-2011 09:23:39] <klone> no kidding
[14-Jul-2011 09:23:39] <JohnnyNOC> 8|
[14-Jul-2011 09:23:44] <JohnnyNOC> haha.. morning everyone
[14-Jul-2011 09:23:50] <kerick> we could make a ruckus
[14-Jul-2011 09:24:12] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 my migration went relatively smoothly the other day. except for a trailing space for the render url
[14-Jul-2011 09:24:45] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Glad to hear. Hard to ask for more than that
[14-Jul-2011 09:24:47] <JohnnyNOC> that broke the rendering of the rrd graphs but wasn't long before i fixed it up
[14-Jul-2011 09:25:21] <JohnnyNOC> (thanks to the help of klone and simonjj)
[14-Jul-2011 09:25:32] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yep, fortunately doesnt hurt collection
[14-Jul-2011 09:25:41] <JohnnyNOC> but yea i'm glad too.
[14-Jul-2011 09:25:44] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*
[14-Jul-2011 09:26:32] <Hackman238> Hi Nick
[14-Jul-2011 09:37:31] <Sam-I-Am> moooo
[14-Jul-2011 09:44:14] <jmp242> morning
[14-Jul-2011 09:50:35] <Gat0rvean> is there a way to turn on debugging on incoming traps?
[14-Jul-2011 09:52:12] <Gat0rvean> or, better yet, when I turn an Extreme Switches port "Admin Down" I get an /unknown Event that reads "snmp trap enterprises.1916.14", I would like insteaed for it to clear "snmp trap linkDown" events or at least read something more human like
[14-Jul-2011 09:54:47] <klone> you'll need to load up the MIB for those switches
[14-Jul-2011 09:55:05] <Gat0rvean> klone: I have, and as the zenoss user run zenmib run, as well as restarted the server
[14-Jul-2011 09:56:46] <klone> did the zenmib show that it picked up the new mib and loaded it, or did you see any errors?
[14-Jul-2011 09:57:48] <Gat0rvean> klone: it did show that it loaded the mibs, and I did not see any errors
[14-Jul-2011 09:58:12] <Gat0rvean> klone: would running it again produce the same results so I could be certain?
[14-Jul-2011 09:58:38] <JohnnyNOC> Gat0rvean is it possible you have the wrong MIB? perhaps the MIB you've loaded doesn't have that trap defined?
[14-Jul-2011 09:58:50] <klone> yeah, if you run it again you should see it print out the mibs it's pulling in
[14-Jul-2011 09:59:30] <Gat0rvean> JohnnyNOC: It's always possible, but the Extreme site is very specific on the download page, so it's "doubtful" although not impossible
[14-Jul-2011 09:59:50] <Gat0rvean> is there an easy way to remove mibs if I just did a blanket install from their website?
[14-Jul-2011 09:59:53] <JohnnyNOC> Gat0rvean why don't you fire it up in a MIB browser or text editor and have a look
[14-Jul-2011 10:00:31] <Gat0rvean> JohnnyNOC: I tried in a text editor, but it seemed a bit cryptic and long, is there a good MIB Browswer that's free you would suggest?
[14-Jul-2011 10:01:07] <JohnnyNOC> i use this thing from ireasoning
[14-Jul-2011 10:01:25] <JohnnyNOC> Gat0rvean can't you search throughout the text for the 1916.14 or what not
[14-Jul-2011 10:02:17] <Gat0rvean> JohnnyNOC: I don't have it front of me at the moment, but assuming I can, and assuming also I find that string, how can I fix it in Zenoss?
[14-Jul-2011 10:02:27] <JohnnyNOC> i'm just saying to confirm it's in your MIB
[14-Jul-2011 10:02:32] <JohnnyNOC> if not, maybe you've got the wrong one?
[14-Jul-2011 10:02:53] <Gat0rvean> JohnnyNOC: ok, will do
[14-Jul-2011 10:03:18] <klone> Gat0rvean - what's the name of the MIB file you grabbed?
[14-Jul-2011 10:04:57] <jmp242> There is the MIB browser zenpack I think . . .
[14-Jul-2011 10:07:56] <kerick> anyone know what class/function will model a device? the api search is taking a while :S
[14-Jul-2011 10:11:58] <dpetzel> kerick I think there are multiple classes in play for a full model. Are you looking to do a one off model, or trying incorporate into a script?
[14-Jul-2011 10:13:38] <kerick> I'm writing a bulk import script, so i would like to model the device after the add
[14-Jul-2011 10:13:47] <kerick> not necessary, but convenient
[14-Jul-2011 10:14:28] <dpetzel> not sure about doing it via the API, but the CLI is uber easy 'zenmodeler run -d {devicename}
[14-Jul-2011 10:15:05] <klone> kerick - if you use zenbatchload for importing, it handles the modeling part for you
[14-Jul-2011 10:15:32] <kerick> hmmm, i'll look at that
[14-Jul-2011 10:15:55] <kerick> no sense in reinventing the wheel here
[14-Jul-2011 10:16:27] <klone> if you wanted to, though, you could call d.collectDevice()
[14-Jul-2011 10:17:03] <klone> but i'm fairly certain that zenbatchload will accomplish what you're looking for already
[14-Jul-2011 10:17:51] <kerick> if not, know that collectDevice will be nice, appreciate it
[14-Jul-2011 10:18:20] <klone> kerick: sure thing
[14-Jul-2011 10:31:05] <nate1> Hello all
[14-Jul-2011 10:31:27] <nate1> I have a sonicwall router that we are monitoring, and I would like to monitor a particular interface
[14-Jul-2011 10:31:33] <nate1> and receive notifications if it is ever down
[14-Jul-2011 10:31:38] <nate1> how would I go about this?
[14-Jul-2011 10:32:01] <nate1> Under components for the device, I see 10 interfaces listed. I don't care about the others as much as this one in particular
[14-Jul-2011 10:33:58] <klone> you can go into the zprops for that device and make a pipe-delimited list of the other interface names in the 'zInterfaceMapIgnoreNames' property and then remodel it
[14-Jul-2011 10:35:04] <klone> that field works with regex, so instead of a pipe delimited list of every other interface name you could also construct a pattern or two that would encompass the other interfaces, and exclude the one you want
[14-Jul-2011 10:41:14] <nate1> how so?
[14-Jul-2011 10:41:16] <nate1> I have never done that
[14-Jul-2011 10:41:28] <nate1> also, does it make a difference that it is a virtual interface?
[14-Jul-2011 10:43:10] <rmatte> nate1: in terms of actually monitoring the status of the interface without using traps: docs/DOC-2494
[14-Jul-2011 10:43:26] <nate1> thanks
[14-Jul-2011 10:43:47] <rmatte> some of the steps were based on the old interface, such as where it says to go to More -> Transform, ignore that, there's a different way in the new interface
[14-Jul-2011 10:44:04] <nate1> ok
[14-Jul-2011 10:44:11] <dhopp> I really need to get more then 3-4 hours of sleep a night
[14-Jul-2011 10:44:12] <rmatte> you go to that class in infrastructure on the left, then click the DETAILS arrow button when you have the class highlighted
[14-Jul-2011 10:44:17] <nate1> looking at the graph, it has no data mapped for that interface
[14-Jul-2011 10:44:18] <rmatte> then from there you can select transform I believe
[14-Jul-2011 10:44:18] <nate1> hrm
[14-Jul-2011 10:44:41] <rmatte> actually sorry
[14-Jul-2011 10:44:52] <rmatte> ah yeh, you just go to events, event classes
[14-Jul-2011 10:44:57] <rmatte> then navigate to the class
[14-Jul-2011 10:45:09] <rmatte> then select Transform in the absolute bottom left hand menu
[14-Jul-2011 10:45:15] <rmatte> I was thinking of device classes before
[14-Jul-2011 10:45:57] <nate1> go9ing to sgtart on the steps on that page
[14-Jul-2011 10:46:00] <nate1> or try to at least:-p
[14-Jul-2011 10:46:04] <rmatte>
[14-Jul-2011 10:46:09] <nate1> after all this is set up, can I set up notifications easily enough?
[14-Jul-2011 10:46:17] <rmatte> yes
[14-Jul-2011 10:46:32] <rmatte> notifications are braindead simple to setup
[14-Jul-2011 10:47:05] <nate1> Click the Data Sources menu and choose Add DataSource.
[14-Jul-2011 10:47:12] <nate1> is that in /Devices or /Server/Cmd
[14-Jul-2011 10:47:20] <nate1> because both of those are unde ethernetCsmacd
[14-Jul-2011 10:47:32] <rmatte> that's in /Devices/ethernetCsmacd
[14-Jul-2011 10:47:40] <rmatte> or whatever other interface template you have
[14-Jul-2011 10:47:43] <nate1> ah
[14-Jul-2011 10:47:48] <nate1> ok so it just shows it backwards
[14-Jul-2011 10:47:51] <nate1> in this version of core
[14-Jul-2011 10:47:53] <nate1> sort of
[14-Jul-2011 10:48:03] <rmatte> oh
[14-Jul-2011 10:48:14] <rmatte> See how you have two buttons at the bottom of that screen?
[14-Jul-2011 10:48:16] <dhopp> rmatte: I always laugh at "braindead simple"…because if you are in fact braindead nothing is simple...
[14-Jul-2011 10:48:24] <rmatte> Templates and Classes I believe they are?
[14-Jul-2011 10:48:34] <rmatte> click on the other button, and it'll show in the more traditional way
[14-Jul-2011 10:48:37] <rmatte> easier to work with
[14-Jul-2011 10:48:58] <rmatte> dhopp: touche
[14-Jul-2011 10:49:17] <rmatte> toucher rather
[14-Jul-2011 10:51:28] <klone> nate1 - what i was talking about is say you had a switch with a bunch of GigE interfaces and you only cared about 1 one them for some reason. let's say GigabitEthernet0/39. you could put this in the zInterfaceMapIgnoreNames zproperty for that device and it will exclude all GigE interfaces except for that one: ^GigabitEthernet(?!.*0\/39)
[14-Jul-2011 10:51:50] <nate1> I went to Advanced and MonitoringTemplates
[14-Jul-2011 10:51:52] <nate1> and searched for it
[14-Jul-2011 10:51:57] <rmatte> He's just telling you how to omit interfaces during modelling
[14-Jul-2011 10:52:00] <nate1> well
[14-Jul-2011 10:52:04] <nate1> I think we "care" about the others
[14-Jul-2011 10:52:09] <nate1> but I want to monitor one in particular
[14-Jul-2011 10:52:16] <klone> ah, ok. then ignore what i just said.
[14-Jul-2011 10:52:18] <nate1> sorry, I was answering from top down
[14-Jul-2011 10:52:19] <rmatte> but that doesn't directly apply to what you want since you can do the same thing by being selective about which are set to be monitored and which aren't
[14-Jul-2011 10:52:19] <nate1> :-p
[14-Jul-2011 10:52:27] <nate1> yeah, sorry klone. I was not too clear
[14-Jul-2011 10:52:47] <rmatte> hehe
[14-Jul-2011 10:53:16] <klone> nate1 - no worries, i'm still a few cups of coffee from being completely awake so i probably misunderstood.
[14-Jul-2011 10:53:38] <rmatte> I hate trying to explain things in the new interface... things that used to be 2 clicks are now 4 or whatever
[14-Jul-2011 10:53:38] <nate1> keep getting calls. So I will have to work on this slowly:-\
[14-Jul-2011 10:53:39] <nate1> lol
[14-Jul-2011 10:56:54] <rmatte> yeh, I know the drill lol
[14-Jul-2011 10:57:19] <rmatte> I'm working from home today because I need to get some coding done and can't concentrate with people walking in to my office
[14-Jul-2011 10:57:41] <Hackman238> Feel your pain...people here complain when I ask them to test the new UI's
[14-Jul-2011 10:57:49] <rmatte> lol
[14-Jul-2011 10:57:56] <Hackman238> (since we're 2.5.2 production moving to 4)
[14-Jul-2011 10:58:09] <rmatte> I can fumble through the new UI myself and work with it fine... it's just hard to actually explain it to others
[14-Jul-2011 10:58:37] <Hackman238> Agreed. Personally I think if users tried harder they could figure it out themselves
[14-Jul-2011 10:58:42] <rmatte> I love how a bunch of people are basically going to completely skip 3 lol
[14-Jul-2011 10:59:18] <Hackman238> 3 isnt bad really. Frankly 4 has the same UI
[14-Jul-2011 10:59:25] <rmatte> eugh, is there anyone in here with strong mysql-fu?
[14-Jul-2011 10:59:39] <rmatte> mine is good, but what I'm trying to do is mind boggling
[14-Jul-2011 11:00:06] <nate1> ok
[14-Jul-2011 11:00:09] <nate1> back to test now
[14-Jul-2011 11:00:10] <nate1>
[14-Jul-2011 11:00:16] <nate1> unless another call comes
[14-Jul-2011 11:00:44] <Hackman238>
[14-Jul-2011 11:01:16] <rmatte> I basically want to perform 2 queries on the exact same row (returning different data from each query and creating 2 separate rows), then I want it to subtract column1 from column2 on each row and save the sum.... then I want to add all the sums together
[14-Jul-2011 11:01:32] <nate1> "minimum" = "RRD Minimum"?
[14-Jul-2011 11:01:33] <rmatte> I could do it in code but I'd much rather do it in MySQL if I can
[14-Jul-2011 11:01:35] <nate1> and same with maximum?
[14-Jul-2011 11:01:54] <rmatte> erm 2 queries on the same column I meant to say
[14-Jul-2011 11:02:07] <rmatte> and creating 2 separate columns
[14-Jul-2011 11:04:52] <nate1> I like how it tells you to create the event class near the end of the step
[14-Jul-2011 11:05:02] <nate1> where if you haven't already done it, you have to cancel and go do that and come back
[14-Jul-2011 11:05:02] <nate1> lol
[14-Jul-2011 11:05:06] <nate1> like I am about to
[14-Jul-2011 11:05:18] <rmatte> lol
[14-Jul-2011 11:05:33] <rmatte> yeh, I actually added that step in, it wasn't there originally
[14-Jul-2011 11:05:35] <rmatte> my bad
[14-Jul-2011 11:05:40] <nate1> lol thats ok
[14-Jul-2011 11:06:01] <nate1> and I add event class....
[14-Jul-2011 11:06:04] <nate1> hmmm
[14-Jul-2011 11:06:18] <rmatte> /Status/IpInterface
[14-Jul-2011 11:06:43] <nate1> was trying to figure out where they are
[14-Jul-2011 11:06:47] <nate1> I think I found
[14-Jul-2011 11:06:56] <rmatte> events -> event classes
[14-Jul-2011 11:07:28] <nate1> yeah
[14-Jul-2011 11:07:34] <nate1> where one would least expect to find them!
[14-Jul-2011 11:07:47] <Hackman238> rmatte: Question about your datapoint pack
[14-Jul-2011 11:08:16] <rmatte> yup
[14-Jul-2011 11:08:39] <Sam-I-Am> moo.
[14-Jul-2011 11:08:48] <Hackman238> rmatte: GA dates arent final, but we're preparing all the packs we intend to use for Avalon/SD. Have you had time to daemonize the pack?
[14-Jul-2011 11:09:01] <rmatte> unfortunately I haven't yet
[14-Jul-2011 11:09:28] <Hackman238> rmatte: If you have, would you mind if I adapted it for avalon? If you havent, would you mind if I daemonized it for v3 and ported that to avalon?
[14-Jul-2011 11:09:30] <rmatte> I've been at this music festival almost every night for the last 2 weeks so I haven't really had time to work on anything
[14-Jul-2011 11:09:45] <rmatte> If you want to daemonize it have at it
[14-Jul-2011 11:09:49] <Hackman238> rmatte: Oh right. Ears hurt yet?
[14-Jul-2011 11:10:02] <rmatte> nah, and my voice is back, so I'll all set for tonight lol
[14-Jul-2011 11:10:10] <rmatte> I'm*
[14-Jul-2011 11:10:12] <Hackman238> rmatte: Nice.
[14-Jul-2011 11:10:33] <rmatte> just a note, someone pointed out that the pack has problems with datasources that have spaces in the names
[14-Jul-2011 11:10:38] <rmatte> something that needs to be fixed
[14-Jul-2011 11:11:02] <Hackman238> * wonders why anyone would put spaces in datapoint ids... *
[14-Jul-2011 11:11:13] <Hackman238> rmatte: I'll make note of that
[14-Jul-2011 11:11:37] <rmatte> but yeh, I was hoping to daemonize the pack myself for learning purposes, but if you desperately need it I won't stop you
[14-Jul-2011 11:11:53] <rmatte> I can always come up with some other pack to have a go at
[14-Jul-2011 11:12:09] <Hackman238> rmatte: I ahevnt an opening to do it this moment, but I never know when one might creep up so I figured ask
[14-Jul-2011 11:12:19] <rmatte> ah ok
[14-Jul-2011 11:12:28] <rmatte> hopefully I'll be able to get to it before then
[14-Jul-2011 11:12:58] <nate1> so I create a thresh hold
[14-Jul-2011 11:13:01] <nate1> don't need a graph?
[14-Jul-2011 11:13:10] <rmatte> I had a eureka moment in my sleep about how to debug a memory error in the game engine that I've been working on, so that's another thing I need to spend some time on lol
[14-Jul-2011 11:13:26] <Hackman238> rmatte: Its probable. Many new ops lately. New legal ops, ZCA ops, NRC ops and planning a facillity here in texas for me new work.
[14-Jul-2011 11:13:53] <rmatte> I heard that Texas was trying to pass a law that would have required you guys to gather Sales Tax from all of your customers
[14-Jul-2011 11:13:58] <rmatte> but it got shot down
[14-Jul-2011 11:14:04] <Hackman238> rmatte: I love it when that happens...but you shouldnt work in your sleep
[14-Jul-2011 11:14:36] <Hackman238> rmatte: Not sure, this new facillity will not be a pc shop. Research facillity
[14-Jul-2011 11:14:46] <rmatte> cool
[14-Jul-2011 11:14:56] <nate1> sweet
[14-Jul-2011 11:15:00] <nate1> got that set up I hope!
[14-Jul-2011 11:15:09] <Hackman238> rmatte: Started aquiring lab gear, lasers etc that will be needed for new reactor dev.
[14-Jul-2011 11:15:11] <rmatte> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/07/13/2049224/Texas-and-Taxes-Is-a-Server-a-Business-Presence
[14-Jul-2011 11:15:17] <rmatte> Rackspace was mentioned there
[14-Jul-2011 11:15:48] <rmatte> nice
[14-Jul-2011 11:15:56] <Hackman238> rmatte: Check out this puppy I picked up last night. Should have no problem cutting tungsten carbide neutron moderators/reflectors. http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11102.m454.l1123/7?euid=3407180dd114428ca305d4ce33bc3c68&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D170666134504%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AL%3ACOSI%3AUS%3A1123
[14-Jul-2011 11:16:23] <rmatte> nice
[14-Jul-2011 11:16:35] <Hackman238> rmatte: Wow, no wonder we're building DC's elsewhere
[14-Jul-2011 11:16:44] <rmatte> lol
[14-Jul-2011 11:16:58] <Hackman238> rmatte: Though DFW is simply amazing.
[14-Jul-2011 11:17:14] <Hackman238> rmatte: If customers could see our datacenters we'd win people over just for that
[14-Jul-2011 11:17:25] <rmatte>
[14-Jul-2011 11:17:47] <rmatte> I have my personal servers hosted with Sagonet, they have pretty nice datacenters
[14-Jul-2011 11:18:06] <rmatte> and their service is awesome, very fast
[14-Jul-2011 11:18:08] <nate1> rmatte: now I add that interfae to the device?
[14-Jul-2011 11:18:12] <nate1> interface
[14-Jul-2011 11:18:12] <Hackman238> rmatte: Come to rackspace. As a friend of the ZCA we'll give you the friend/family rate
[14-Jul-2011 11:18:20] <nate1> is it bind template or add local?
[14-Jul-2011 11:18:23] <rmatte> nate1: the interface should be picked up automatically when you model the device
[14-Jul-2011 11:18:31] <rmatte> nate1: you do have snmp configured on it?
[14-Jul-2011 11:18:33] <nate1> what do you meanj?
[14-Jul-2011 11:18:42] <rmatte> you don't bind the template at all, it's an interface template
[14-Jul-2011 11:18:51] <nate1> I have this device... it already is listed as /Network/Router/CIsco
[14-Jul-2011 11:18:57] <Hackman238> nate1: Subobjects like interfaces usually have their templates assigned by the modeller which created them
[14-Jul-2011 11:18:59] <rmatte> it gets automatically bound to any interfaces that have a type property matching the name of the template
[14-Jul-2011 11:19:30] <nate1> so
[14-Jul-2011 11:19:32] <nate1> if I wanted
[14-Jul-2011 11:19:36] <nate1> er
[14-Jul-2011 11:19:37] <nate1> nvm
[14-Jul-2011 11:19:47] <rmatte> nate1: ok, I'll break this down to the simplest explanation I can make...
[14-Jul-2011 11:19:50] <nate1> the only monitoring template right now it network/router/cisco
[14-Jul-2011 11:20:02] <rmatte> here's step by step what happens...
[14-Jul-2011 11:20:09] <Hackman238> nate1: If you need to add new templates for special interfaces you'll need to ovverride an existing template or add a new one and tweak the modeller to accomodate it
[14-Jul-2011 11:20:10] <rmatte> 1) you configure the device for SNMP
[14-Jul-2011 11:20:15] <rmatte> 2) you add the device to Zenoss
[14-Jul-2011 11:20:29] <rmatte> 3) You model the device in Zenoss (using the appropriate SNMP String)
[14-Jul-2011 11:20:41] <rmatte> 4) Zenoss automatically picks up any interfaces on the device
[14-Jul-2011 11:20:53] <nate1> looking at this current interface though, it almost apopears to have interfaces shown whethjer or up or down... but I don't have the slightest how to set up notificationsd on them, and it's not listed under the templates
[14-Jul-2011 11:20:58] <nate1> it does show interaces though
[14-Jul-2011 11:21:08] <rmatte> 5) Templates with names matching the type property of each interface are applied automatically
[14-Jul-2011 11:21:15] <nate1> on step 3.. is that when you add the device?
[14-Jul-2011 11:21:16] <rmatte> click on one of those interfaces and go to Details for it
[14-Jul-2011 11:21:19] <nate1> and assign it to the type?
[14-Jul-2011 11:21:19] <rmatte> you should see a type listed
[14-Jul-2011 11:21:26] <rmatte> like ethernetCsmacd or something else
[14-Jul-2011 11:21:33] <nate1> hrm
[14-Jul-2011 11:21:35] <nate1> let's see
[14-Jul-2011 11:21:39] <nate1> I click on the interface
[14-Jul-2011 11:21:43] <nate1> then the gears icon?
[14-Jul-2011 11:21:50] <nate1> it says locking
[14-Jul-2011 11:21:52] <nate1> and monitoring
[14-Jul-2011 11:21:54] <rmatte> no, the dropdown menu where it says graphs
[14-Jul-2011 11:21:58] <rmatte> select details
[14-Jul-2011 11:22:04] <nate1> gotcha
[14-Jul-2011 11:22:16] <rmatte> you see a type listed there?
[14-Jul-2011 11:22:17] <nate1> Type:Layer 2 Virtual LAN using 802.1Q_64
[14-Jul-2011 11:22:22] <rmatte> right k...
[14-Jul-2011 11:22:32] <rmatte> so what you want to do now is create an interface template for that type...
[14-Jul-2011 11:22:34] <rmatte> what I do is this...
[14-Jul-2011 11:22:54] <rmatte> I copy the ethernetCsmacd template, then I rename it to: Layer 2 Virtual LAN using 802.1Q_64
[14-Jul-2011 11:23:00] <rmatte> or whatever the type happens to be
[14-Jul-2011 11:23:10] <rmatte> that template is then specifically applied to interfaces matching that type
[14-Jul-2011 11:23:22] <rmatte> to copy the template go back to the templates area in advanced
[14-Jul-2011 11:23:31] <rmatte> then use the "override" feature (which is actually copy)
[14-Jul-2011 11:23:48] <rmatte> select "/ (Create Copy)"
[14-Jul-2011 11:23:54] <Hackman238> rmatte: The template system handles spaces correctly now?
[14-Jul-2011 11:24:10] <Hackman238> rmatte: I didnt even realize...I always _
[14-Jul-2011 11:24:15] <rmatte> Hackman238: as far as I'm aware, it works in 2.5.2 too, I've seen it work
[14-Jul-2011 11:24:22] <rmatte> I just advise against doing it anyways, not best practice
[14-Jul-2011 11:24:29] <rmatte> but some people do do it
[14-Jul-2011 11:24:43] <Hackman238> rmatte: Its something I picked up back in 2.3 I think
[14-Jul-2011 11:24:48] <rmatte> yeh, same here
[14-Jul-2011 11:24:50] <rmatte> 2.3.3
[14-Jul-2011 11:24:52] <Hackman238> rmatte: Wild west days of Zenoss
[14-Jul-2011 11:24:55] <rmatte> they fixed it in 2.4 I think
[14-Jul-2011 11:25:09] <nate1> ok, on advanced -> monitoring templates ->
[14-Jul-2011 11:25:13] <nate1> how do I copy one?
[14-Jul-2011 11:25:21] <rmatte> it's still the wild west days, we just have nice saloons
[14-Jul-2011 11:25:24] <rmatte> nicer*
[14-Jul-2011 11:25:31] <Hackman238> rmatte: Aye true
[14-Jul-2011 11:25:41] <rmatte> nate1: I just explained that lol
[14-Jul-2011 11:25:48] <nate1> ah
[14-Jul-2011 11:25:52] <nate1> I am reading top to bottom again
[14-Jul-2011 11:25:53] <nate1> :-p
[14-Jul-2011 11:25:53] <rmatte> [11:22am] <@rmatte> to copy the template go back to the templates area in advanced
[14-Jul-2011 11:25:53] <rmatte> [11:22am] <@rmatte> then use the "override" feature (which is actually copy)
[14-Jul-2011 11:25:54] <rmatte> [11:22am] <@rmatte> select "/ (Create Copy)"
[14-Jul-2011 11:25:56] <rmatte>
[14-Jul-2011 11:26:20] <rmatte> after you've copied it to /, you'll see a template called copy_of_ethernetCsmacd
[14-Jul-2011 11:26:31] <Hackman238> nate1: Just dont try to read right to left
[14-Jul-2011 11:26:32] <rmatte> you can then go in to that template and rename it to: Layer 2 Virtual LAN using 802.1Q_64
[14-Jul-2011 11:27:21] <rmatte> I've got like 20 different interface templates on my installs
[14-Jul-2011 11:27:23] <Hackman238> nate1: Unless you're reading chinese...I think chinese is right/bottom->left/top
[14-Jul-2011 11:27:36] <rmatte> oh crap
[14-Jul-2011 11:27:39] <rmatte> I just noticed something
[14-Jul-2011 11:27:42] <rmatte> this is very important...
[14-Jul-2011 11:27:58] <rmatte> since the type has _64 at the end, you'll want to copy the ethernetCsmacd_64 template
[14-Jul-2011 11:28:01] <rmatte> not the standard one
[14-Jul-2011 11:28:08] <rmatte> since it handles 64bit counters which you'll need
[14-Jul-2011 11:28:38] <rmatte> if you already copied ethernetCsmacd, delete the copy and copy ethernetCsmacd_64 instead
[14-Jul-2011 11:28:45] <nate1> rmatte: I don't see "/ (Create Copy)"
[14-Jul-2011 11:28:57] <nate1> should be under target/
[14-Jul-2011 11:28:59] <nate1> ?
[14-Jul-2011 11:29:10] <rmatte> yes, in the target dropdown, but read what I just said first
[14-Jul-2011 11:29:26] <rmatte> make sure you're copying ethernetCsmacd_64 since it's a 64bit interface type
[14-Jul-2011 11:29:51] <rmatte> It might actually be "/Devices/ (Create Copy)" depending on how they coded it
[14-Jul-2011 11:29:59] <rmatte> but it should definitely be there
[14-Jul-2011 11:30:01] * rmatte checks
[14-Jul-2011 11:31:05] <rmatte> I just did it and I see / (Create Copy)
[14-Jul-2011 11:31:53] <nate1> wait a sec
[14-Jul-2011 11:32:10] <nate1> should I have created that data point and such on the 64 bit one?
[14-Jul-2011 11:32:13] <nate1> and not the original?
[14-Jul-2011 11:32:21] <rmatte> creat it on both
[14-Jul-2011 11:32:24] <rmatte> create*
[14-Jul-2011 11:32:29] <nate1> ah...
[14-Jul-2011 11:32:35] <rmatte> that way no matter what you copy either one to in the future you'll have it
[14-Jul-2011 11:32:48] <nate1> ok
[14-Jul-2011 11:32:51] <nate1> *goes to do that*
[14-Jul-2011 11:32:53] <nate1> will brb
[14-Jul-2011 11:32:55] <rmatte> k
[14-Jul-2011 11:38:15] <nate1> created
[14-Jul-2011 11:38:40] <rmatte> k, so now you just need to copy it and rename it, then you're in business
[14-Jul-2011 11:39:38] <nate1> Override... do you wish to ovverride the selecte monitoring template?
[14-Jul-2011 11:39:42] <nate1> yadda yadda yadda. Target:
[14-Jul-2011 11:39:55] <nate1> it is of the format "APC in /Devices/Power/UPS
[14-Jul-2011 11:40:00] <nate1> "AWS in /Devices"
[14-Jul-2011 11:40:15] <nate1> "Web in /Devices"
[14-Jul-2011 11:40:16] <nate1> etc.
[14-Jul-2011 11:40:23] <rmatte> click on the dropdown button
[14-Jul-2011 11:40:30] <rmatte> (Copy Template) should be right at the top
[14-Jul-2011 11:40:32] <nate1> those are the dropdown options
[14-Jul-2011 11:40:47] <rmatte> you don't see / (Copy Template) at all? that's really weird
[14-Jul-2011 11:40:57] <rmatte> what version of Zenoss are you using?
[14-Jul-2011 11:41:24] <rmatte> If it's 3.0.3 instead of 3.1 then that's your problem, the template copying only got fixed in 3.1
[14-Jul-2011 11:41:43] <rmatte> (along with a ton of other fixes)
[14-Jul-2011 11:41:53] <nate1> I know we don't use the newest
[14-Jul-2011 11:41:58] <nate1> yea
[14-Jul-2011 11:42:01] <nate1> 3.0.3
[14-Jul-2011 11:42:12] <rmatte> then you're not going to be able to copy it properly
[14-Jul-2011 11:42:16] <rmatte> why don't you upgrade?
[14-Jul-2011 11:42:18] <nate1> sadness
[14-Jul-2011 11:42:27] <simonjj> where do you get 25A of power from ?
[14-Jul-2011 11:42:32] <rmatte> 3.1 is just a bugfix release, it's not a major release
[14-Jul-2011 11:42:39] <rmatte> the upgrade would be painless
[14-Jul-2011 11:42:43] <simonjj> you have your own power plant in your backyard?
[14-Jul-2011 11:43:11] <nate1> I am not really in charge of tyhat
[14-Jul-2011 11:43:15] <nate1> so I will have to see into it
[14-Jul-2011 11:43:16] <rmatte> simonjj: directed at Hackman I assume? lol
[14-Jul-2011 11:43:22] <nate1> so, whenever I can update Zenoss
[14-Jul-2011 11:43:25] <rmatte> nate1: k
[14-Jul-2011 11:43:34] <nate1> then I create a copy and name it the same as the type of that interface?
[14-Jul-2011 11:43:37] <simonjj> yes at Hackman ?
[14-Jul-2011 11:43:39] <rmatte> correct
[14-Jul-2011 11:43:43] <rmatte> then you're done
[14-Jul-2011 11:43:49] <nate1> and it will automatically have the thresh hold, data points, etc?
[14-Jul-2011 11:43:59] <rmatte> Zenoss will automatically see that there's a template matching the type and use it for that interface
[14-Jul-2011 11:44:04] <simonjj> yeah, I can confirm that, the upgrade to 3.1 is highly recommended and easy to do
[14-Jul-2011 11:44:25] <rmatte> It'll technically use the ethernetCsmacd_64 template by default if it doesn't find another template
[14-Jul-2011 11:44:28] <rmatte> so it should be working right now
[14-Jul-2011 11:44:40] <rmatte> but I always encourage creating templates for each specific type
[14-Jul-2011 11:44:44] <rmatte> since it gives a lot more control
[14-Jul-2011 11:44:48] <rmatte> but for the time being it should work
[14-Jul-2011 11:45:03] <nate1> ghmm
[14-Jul-2011 11:45:07] <nate1> if I wanted to, in the meantime..
[14-Jul-2011 11:45:17] <nate1> I could create a local template named that?
[14-Jul-2011 11:45:23] <nate1> and create that point?
[14-Jul-2011 11:45:54] <rmatte> well, you've already added it to both templates in /Devices, right?
[14-Jul-2011 11:46:06] <nate1> they both show up as locally defined templates
[14-Jul-2011 11:46:08] <nate1> so I guess?
[14-Jul-2011 11:46:16] <rmatte> ?
[14-Jul-2011 11:46:34] <rmatte> did you edit the global templates?
[14-Jul-2011 11:46:43] <rmatte> (which is what you were supposed to do)
[14-Jul-2011 11:46:47] <nate1> I believe so
[14-Jul-2011 11:46:48] <nate1> yes
[14-Jul-2011 11:46:55] <nate1> I was on the monitoring templates under advanced
[14-Jul-2011 11:47:05] <rmatte> ok, then it's already working for every interface... let me explain my reasoning for recommending copying the template...
[14-Jul-2011 11:47:14] <nate1> but now after those template names, it has "(Locally Defined)"
[14-Jul-2011 11:47:37] <rmatte> some templates don't support error counts, or don't support any of the standard counters, by creating a copy for each interface type you can taylor it for each one (removing or adding datasources as needed)
[14-Jul-2011 11:47:49] <nate1> ok
[14-Jul-2011 11:48:02] <rmatte> it's just cleaner but it's not a necessity...
[14-Jul-2011 11:48:06] <rmatte> Zenoss basically does this...
[14-Jul-2011 11:48:40] <rmatte> "Is there an interface matching the type of this interface?" "No?" "Ok, use the ethernetCsmacd template instead"
[14-Jul-2011 11:48:52] <rmatte> so it'll work as is, it's just not necessarily as clean as it could be
[14-Jul-2011 11:49:12] <rmatte> "Is there an interface template matching the type of this interface?" I meant to say
[14-Jul-2011 11:49:12] <nate1> ok
[14-Jul-2011 11:49:14] <nate1> so, right now
[14-Jul-2011 11:49:19] <nate1> it should automatically be using that?
[14-Jul-2011 11:49:22] <rmatte> yes
[14-Jul-2011 11:49:27] <nate1> but if I wanted to personalize it
[14-Jul-2011 11:49:35] <nate1> I would copy the template and name it that
[14-Jul-2011 11:49:39] <nate1> and make changes there?
[14-Jul-2011 11:49:50] <rmatte> exactly
[14-Jul-2011 11:50:04] <rmatte> if you wanted a template with specifics that applied only to interfaces with that type, that's what you'd do
[14-Jul-2011 11:50:10] <rmatte> otherwise it's fine to leave it as is
[14-Jul-2011 11:50:38] <rmatte> I trust you have your mind wrapped around how it works now?
[14-Jul-2011 11:50:45] <nate1> somewhat...
[14-Jul-2011 11:50:54] <nate1> so, whenever an interface is down now
[14-Jul-2011 11:51:09] <nate1> it should automatically throw an error (thats the severity I placed)'
[14-Jul-2011 11:51:19] <rmatte> yeh, did you apply the transform?
[14-Jul-2011 11:51:29] <nate1> yeah
[14-Jul-2011 11:51:32] <nate1> I believe
[14-Jul-2011 11:51:41] <nate1> and it will show on that device?
[14-Jul-2011 11:51:51] <rmatte> ok, then you'll receive an event that has a summary of "interface operationally down" and a component matching the interface name that is down
[14-Jul-2011 11:52:06] <nate1> ah hah
[14-Jul-2011 11:52:12] <rmatte> but the interface has to be down at the time of polling
[14-Jul-2011 11:52:18] <rmatte> it's only going to poll every 5 minutes
[14-Jul-2011 11:52:43] <rmatte> so if an interface quickly flaps, you could miss it. I came up with a way to detect those with polling, just haven't done a writeup on it yet
[14-Jul-2011 11:53:13] <nate1> I guess what we really want to know is if the internet works on that interface
[14-Jul-2011 11:53:18] <nate1> not really if the injterface is up/down
[14-Jul-2011 11:53:23] <nate1> is there a way to check that easily?
[14-Jul-2011 11:53:47] <rmatte> use the HTTP Monitor ZenPack and have it monitor google.com?
[14-Jul-2011 11:53:56] <rmatte> actually hmmm
[14-Jul-2011 11:54:15] <rmatte> that'll only work if the monitoring server is actually hitting the internet over that
[14-Jul-2011 11:54:38] <rmatte> If the internet goes down will that interface not drop?
[14-Jul-2011 11:55:03] <nate1> the interface could still show like its up
[14-Jul-2011 11:55:06] <nate1> we arent sure
[14-Jul-2011 11:55:06] <rmatte> If not, you'd have to use IPSLA (since you said it's a Cisco device, it'll support IPSLA)
[14-Jul-2011 11:55:22] <rmatte> you need to configure an HTTP IPSLA transaction
[14-Jul-2011 11:55:23] <nate1> what is IPSLA and how do I make use of it?
[14-Jul-2011 11:55:47] <Sam-I-Am> it keeps track of metrics of your links
[14-Jul-2011 11:55:49] <Hackman238> nate1: snmptraps are good for int up/down and flap detection
[14-Jul-2011 11:55:54] <Sam-I-Am> making sure you get the bandwidth and latency you asked for
[14-Jul-2011 11:55:58] <Sam-I-Am> cisco proprietary
[14-Jul-2011 11:56:04] <rmatte> Hackman238: he could use traps, but as he said, the interface may not go down
[14-Jul-2011 11:56:08] <Hackman238> nate1: Not that I'm trying to discount IPSLA...which I support and push hard as possible
[14-Jul-2011 11:56:19] <rmatte> Hackman238: better to do an IPSLA transaction to google.com and alert on RTT of 0
[14-Jul-2011 11:56:41] <Hackman238> rmatte: Oh...provider problems
[14-Jul-2011 11:56:45] <rmatte> exactly
[14-Jul-2011 11:56:48] <Hackman238> rmatte: Must use IPSLA
[14-Jul-2011 11:57:03] <Hackman238> nate1: ^ meant that line for you
[14-Jul-2011 11:57:20] <nate1> ah
[14-Jul-2011 11:57:21] <nate1> ok...
[14-Jul-2011 11:57:27] <Hackman238> nate1: Whose your provider?
[14-Jul-2011 11:57:28] <nate1> is that a devicee class?
[14-Jul-2011 11:57:33] <nate1> ISP?
[14-Jul-2011 11:57:45] <Hackman238> nate1: No, you'll need to grab a pack to do it from http://shanewilliamscott.com
[14-Jul-2011 11:57:48] <rmatte> nate1: Hackman238 wrote a great IPSLA ZenPack, you'll have to use that
[14-Jul-2011 11:57:59] <Hackman238> nate1: Yes, ISP.
[14-Jul-2011 11:58:08] <Sam-I-Am> if you want to check to see if packets are flowing but the link might not go down, use BFD
[14-Jul-2011 11:58:16] <Hackman238> nate1: Large ISP will give you control over the remote interface if its a private line
[14-Jul-2011 11:58:17] <Sam-I-Am> you can match bfd traps
[14-Jul-2011 11:58:18] <rmatte> BFD?
[14-Jul-2011 11:58:23] <nate1> eh
[14-Jul-2011 11:58:24] <Sam-I-Am> bidirectional forwarding detection
[14-Jul-2011 11:58:31] <nate1> I think we use.. cableone?
[14-Jul-2011 11:58:34] <nate1> or at&t..
[14-Jul-2011 11:58:35] <nate1> not sure
[14-Jul-2011 11:58:37] <Sam-I-Am> bunch of packets go either direction and quickly determine if the link pukes
[14-Jul-2011 11:58:55] <Sam-I-Am> for those of us with idiot providers who dont send link state
[14-Jul-2011 11:58:59] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Thats over us Sam...we are sys and programmers
[14-Jul-2011 11:59:27] <Sam-I-Am> lol
[14-Jul-2011 11:59:30] <Sam-I-Am> <- network nurrrd
[14-Jul-2011 11:59:35] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: You know more about ospf than I do about any network work beyond ipsla
[14-Jul-2011 11:59:58] <Sam-I-Am> and i've never used ipsla in prod
[14-Jul-2011 12:00:00] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Barring neural network, whole differnt story there
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[14-Jul-2011 12:00:35] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: F5?
[14-Jul-2011 12:00:44] <Sam-I-Am> what about f5?
[14-Jul-2011 12:00:49] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: I forget what you said you used mostly
[14-Jul-2011 12:00:54] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: During int.
[14-Jul-2011 12:00:59] <Sam-I-Am> well, old job = juniper and brocade/foundry
[14-Jul-2011 12:01:07] <Sam-I-Am> new job = tons and tons of stuff
[14-Jul-2011 12:01:08] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Ah yes foundry
[14-Jul-2011 12:01:19] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: How do you like it?
[14-Jul-2011 12:01:20] <fragfutter> what about just listening to the traps of your uplink switch?
[14-Jul-2011 12:01:24] <nate1> which download shoulw I use for 3.0.3?
[14-Jul-2011 12:02:09] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: foundry stuff is awesome for certain things
[14-Jul-2011 12:02:16] <Hackman238> nate1: Do you have access to the remote to have it pass traps? fragfutter is right, if you can that would be easier
[14-Jul-2011 12:02:22] <Sam-I-Am> if you want cheap and fast, its the way to go over everyone else
[14-Jul-2011 12:02:30] <Sam-I-Am> if you want insane features, open the wallet and go with juniper
[14-Jul-2011 12:02:32] <Hackman238> nate1: Though IP SLA will give you actual metrics
[14-Jul-2011 12:02:43] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Yep.
[14-Jul-2011 12:02:51] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Juniper support sucks shit too
[14-Jul-2011 12:02:51] <nate1> Hackman238 I don't have the foggiest
[14-Jul-2011 12:02:59] <Sam-I-Am> all support sucks shit
[14-Jul-2011 12:03:09] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: ....many of days spent trying to fiv IVE's
[14-Jul-2011 12:03:19] <Sam-I-Am> kinda depeneds on the product and what your support status is
[14-Jul-2011 12:03:23] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: True...except Rackspace and Zenoss that is
[14-Jul-2011 12:03:27] <Sam-I-Am> (e.g., steerage or partner)
[14-Jul-2011 12:03:36] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Very true.
[14-Jul-2011 12:03:49] <fragfutter> nate1: whats the last device installed on your premises and do you have access to it
[14-Jul-2011 12:03:50] <Hackman238> nate1: Can you find that out?
[14-Jul-2011 12:04:34] <nate1> whe you say remote
[14-Jul-2011 12:04:38] <nate1> what do you mean?
[14-Jul-2011 12:06:14] <Hackman238> nate1: Example, if you had a simple road runner connection you'd have a cable transponder / router combo box commong called cable modem
[14-Jul-2011 12:06:14] <nate1> do you mean a remote device that uses that interface?
[14-Jul-2011 12:06:44] <Hackman238> nate1: If you have full access to that device which you interface to for WAN you can point its traps back to zenoss
[14-Jul-2011 12:07:39] <Hackman238> That way you can catch traps from your switch and the WAN port (cable modem port in example)
[14-Jul-2011 12:08:38] <Hackman238> BRB
[14-Jul-2011 12:10:59] <xuru> I have a question... why isn't the normal snmp Device template picking up the Hardware Manufacturer of my servers? They all pretty much come up Generic
[14-Jul-2011 12:11:50] <fragfutter> or if you have at least snmp access to the last router on your premises (and the router implements it) monitor ospfNbrEvents. Every time they got up there has been a change
[14-Jul-2011 12:12:29] <fragfutter> xuru: because all servers return the net-snmp oid as identifier
[14-Jul-2011 12:12:30] <xuru> And all the windows servers come up with a Hardware Manufacture of Microsoft :/
[14-Jul-2011 12:13:47] <xuru> so why display Generic or Microsoft in the overview page under Hardware Manufacturer when it's going to obviously be wrong
[14-Jul-2011 12:13:57] <xuru> or is there a way to correct it
[14-Jul-2011 12:14:44] <fragfutter> xuru: as the snmp implementation of your systems report a "generic" sysOid there is nothing that zenoss can do.
[14-Jul-2011 12:14:46] <xuru> What I'm driving at is, I need a way to tell how many Dell severs we have. I thought "hey no problem, there should be a report, or i could whip one up"
[14-Jul-2011 12:15:20] <nate1> I think I am done with this task for now
[14-Jul-2011 12:15:22] <nate1> thanks for the help asll
[14-Jul-2011 12:15:36] <nate1> I will hold off on that oackage, Hackman238
[14-Jul-2011 12:15:39] <nate1> thanks though
[14-Jul-2011 12:16:01] <xuru> so zenoss can't figure out what the hardware manufacture is on servers even running windows?
[14-Jul-2011 12:16:11] <nate1> rmatte: with what we set up earlier, what does a staus of "threshold of ifOperStatus exceeded: current value 2.00" mean?
[14-Jul-2011 12:16:42] <nate1> I got that on one of the other interfaces
[14-Jul-2011 12:17:31] <klone> ifOperStatus at 2 means interface down
[14-Jul-2011 12:17:48] <fragfutter> xuru: you need a modeller that detects if the device is a Dell server, and then sets the HWTag of the device.
[14-Jul-2011 12:19:49] <xuru> fragfutter: I understand what you are saying, but that would mean I would need fore knowledge that it is actually a Dell machine... It would think that zenoss would be able to do this automatically.
[14-Jul-2011 12:21:12] <fragfutter> xuru: i repeat it for you, the sys-oid of a net-snmp installation is generic. there is no way from a normal probe to detect which hardware the net-snmp is running on.
[14-Jul-2011 12:21:46] <fragfutter> xuru: if you want to automaticly discover it, you need to probe the various manufacturers oids.
[14-Jul-2011 12:21:56] <xuru> exactly
[14-Jul-2011 12:22:05] <xuru> so why doesn't it?
[14-Jul-2011 12:22:11] <xuru> for the most common
[14-Jul-2011 12:22:44] <fragfutter> xuru: because you could just hang the modeller of your choice in there and they will do it for you.
[14-Jul-2011 12:23:21] <fragfutter> xuru: install the dellmon pack, add the modeller delldevicemap to all your servers, if it detects a dell oid it will modify your hw product.
[14-Jul-2011 12:23:33] <fragfutter> xuru: if it doesn't detect one it won't modify it.
[14-Jul-2011 12:24:40] <xuru> fragfutter: I understand what you are saying, and I will, I just think this should be already done. Sorry if I'm coming off pissy, I just keep running into a lot of this sort of thing lately
[14-Jul-2011 12:25:08] <fragfutter> xuru: then either try to understand how zenoss is build, or use a different product.
[14-Jul-2011 12:25:11] <fragfutter> xuru: and i prefer not to probe my device on various oids that aren't there.
[14-Jul-2011 12:25:52] <xuru> maybe it is time I looked else where
[14-Jul-2011 12:26:10] <klone> hmm
[14-Jul-2011 12:26:42] <fragfutter> *facepalm*
[14-Jul-2011 12:26:52] <klone>
[14-Jul-2011 12:27:05] <klone> fragfutter - you can't say you didn't try
[14-Jul-2011 12:27:14] <fragfutter> hey suckers, make the magic work, i don't want to configure the product.
[14-Jul-2011 12:30:49] <rmatte> Yeh, xuru's been like that since the day he got in here
[14-Jul-2011 12:31:05] <rmatte> He should be using solarwinds, it's more attuned to his level of knowledge lol
[14-Jul-2011 12:31:40] <rmatte> He's looking for one drop in and go solution, unfortunately in my experience it doesn't exist unless you're willing to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars
[14-Jul-2011 12:46:41] <Hackman238> Back
[14-Jul-2011 12:57:52] <Hackman238> Yikes...just ready scroll back
[14-Jul-2011 12:58:36] <Hackman238> *read
[14-Jul-2011 13:01:06] <Hackman238> rmatte: Event with high cost commerical products, drop in solution is rare
[14-Jul-2011 13:04:32] <rmatte> true
[14-Jul-2011 13:04:45] <Praxi> hey guys question about the email links, mine aren't working
[14-Jul-2011 13:05:00] <Praxi> the URL's look quite a bit different than if I just browse to it
[14-Jul-2011 13:05:08] <Hackman238> Praxi: Can you post a link?
[14-Jul-2011 13:06:00] <Praxi> Heres the link from the email for all events https://domain.name:8000/zport/dmd/Devices/Sensors/Sensatronic%20U16/devices/192.168.7.101/viewEvents
[14-Jul-2011 13:06:09] <Praxi> (name changed)
[14-Jul-2011 13:06:33] <Hackman238> Praxi: And you're definately using port 8000 for https?
[14-Jul-2011 13:06:46] <Praxi> and heres me browsing to device events https://domain.name:8000/zport/dmd/Devices/Sensors/Sensatronic%20U16/devices/192.168.7.101/devicedetail?filter=default#deviceDetailNav:device_events
[14-Jul-2011 13:07:23] <Praxi> the server is running on 8080, my firewall is translating? from 8000 to 8080
[14-Jul-2011 13:07:31] <Hackman238> Praxi: The first is the old way, v2.5, to view events, the second the new which informs the js what panel to draw
[14-Jul-2011 13:07:59] <Hackman238> Praxi: The old way should still work though
[14-Jul-2011 13:08:11] <Hackman238> Praxi: does it do anything or nothing?
[14-Jul-2011 13:08:23] <Praxi> it gives an error about refreshing the page
[14-Jul-2011 13:08:35] <Praxi> hang on let me get the error backup
[14-Jul-2011 13:08:39] <Hackman238> Praxi: Interesting. Let me do a test real fast
[14-Jul-2011 13:08:56] <Praxi> what the heck now it works hehe
[14-Jul-2011 13:10:23] <Hackman238> Praxi: Thats zenoss for ya
[14-Jul-2011 13:10:30] <Praxi> grr hehe
[14-Jul-2011 13:10:44] <Hackman238> Praxi: The communities new initiatives should help advance Core beyond those little quirks
[14-Jul-2011 13:11:10] <Praxi> that would be nice
[14-Jul-2011 13:11:35] <Hackman238> Praxi: By the way, the topic of the channel is a link to my site. If you ahve an opinion about Zenoss's documentation being released, could you place visit the link and vote in the poll on the right?
[14-Jul-2011 13:11:38] <Praxi> AHHH
[14-Jul-2011 13:11:50] <Praxi> it errors when your not logged in
[14-Jul-2011 13:11:56] <Praxi> instead of taking you to a login prompt
[14-Jul-2011 13:12:15] <Praxi> Yes looking now Hackman238
[14-Jul-2011 13:12:28] <Hackman238> Praxi: Ah yeah that can happen.
[14-Jul-2011 13:13:03] <Hackman238> Praxi: redirect to login screens has been hit/miss for a while.
[14-Jul-2011 13:13:37] <Praxi> So looking at the poll, I like how openerp does it, they post their documentation, then theres a comment section below each section/heading so I can see what others have had to do
[14-Jul-2011 13:14:13] <Hackman238> Praxi: Thats a great idea
[14-Jul-2011 13:14:22] <Praxi> oftentimes the documentation is old, but the users have found the workarounds, looking at your poll which one do I want? Yes to the whole community?
[14-Jul-2011 13:14:48] <Hackman238> Praxi: That would be the option that reflects that model, yep
[14-Jul-2011 13:14:57] <Praxi> ya that small feature of openerp has saved my bacon so much
[14-Jul-2011 13:15:25] <Hackman238> Praxi: In the words of Archer, "You know I'd never let anything happen to your bacon!"
[14-Jul-2011 13:15:31] <Praxi> I'm a windows guy trying to do things on the cheap for my company, and somewhere along the way they got it in their heads that FOSS software is terrible
[14-Jul-2011 13:15:38] <Praxi> LOL!
[14-Jul-2011 13:15:48] <Praxi> I need to get caught up on that show, only season 1
[14-Jul-2011 13:16:37] <Hackman238> Praxi: All season 2 out, very funny. Season final isnt as good as I think it should be, but its still all up from here for Archer
[14-Jul-2011 13:16:47] <Praxi> nice
[14-Jul-2011 13:17:22] <Praxi> hmm looks like I'm in the minority for documentation hehe
[14-Jul-2011 13:17:54] <Hackman238> Praxi: Ideally any type of yes is what we're looking for
[14-Jul-2011 13:18:14] <Praxi> Seems the No's have it hehe
[14-Jul-2011 13:18:16] <Hackman238> Praxi: From that we can put forth varying idea and cooperatively decide on the best model
[14-Jul-2011 13:18:37] <Praxi> oh guess the ZCA has a lot of votes too
[14-Jul-2011 13:18:47] <Hackman238> Praxi: ...no has 5 non uniques at this point
[14-Jul-2011 13:18:58] <Praxi> haha spammers!
[14-Jul-2011 13:19:03] <Hackman238> Praxi: Its insulting that some joker thinks I woudlnt know and dont keep logs.
[14-Jul-2011 13:19:13] <Hackman238> Praxi: No really has 21 votes.
[14-Jul-2011 13:19:25] <Praxi> good
[14-Jul-2011 13:19:31] <Hackman238> Praxi: Since the spammers vote should count once
[14-Jul-2011 13:19:35] <Hackman238>
[14-Jul-2011 13:19:41] <Praxi> tell me that IP was a zenoss.com ip, I would laugh a lot
[14-Jul-2011 13:20:02] <Hackman238> Praxi: I've thought about figuring who owns the block
[14-Jul-2011 13:20:07] <Praxi> hehe
[14-Jul-2011 13:20:37] <Hackman238> Praxi: But it woudlnt be fair of me to group the truely helpful genuine people at Zenoss Inc with a single asshole
[14-Jul-2011 13:20:49] <Praxi> ya
[14-Jul-2011 13:21:27] <Hackman238> Praxi: I try very hard to be fair...though I'm told by lateral equals I'm not diplomatic
[14-Jul-2011 13:21:49] <Hackman238> Oh well
[14-Jul-2011 13:24:18] <jmp242> ZCA survey is live
[14-Jul-2011 13:24:19] <jmp242> https://cornell.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_eb7jQhHLfFjNNKQ
[14-Jul-2011 13:24:39] <jmp242> Please only take it once lol
[14-Jul-2011 13:24:44] <Hackman238> jmp242: Nice!
[14-Jul-2011 13:25:11] <jmp242> mmm, beef n cheddar time
[14-Jul-2011 13:25:20] <jmp242>
[14-Jul-2011 13:30:24] <Hackman238> jmp242: Sounds good. No time for lunch today :/
[14-Jul-2011 13:30:36] <Hackman238> jmp242: No tiem for breakfast tacos either
[14-Jul-2011 13:30:48] <Hackman238> jmp242: BTW, thank you for getting that survey done
[14-Jul-2011 13:30:52] <jmp242> Yea
[14-Jul-2011 13:30:58] <jmp242> hey, If you don't like joomla pools
[14-Jul-2011 13:31:03] <jmp242> qualitrics (the survey people)
[14-Jul-2011 13:31:10] <jmp242> can also create embedable polls
[14-Jul-2011 13:31:23] <jmp242> don't know if it's actually a help or not but hey
[14-Jul-2011 13:31:32] <Hackman238> jmp242: Nice. It cant hurt
[14-Jul-2011 13:31:51] <jmp242> nice thing all cornell people can use -- something useful from CIT anyway lol
[14-Jul-2011 13:32:38] <Hackman238> jmp242: LOL
[14-Jul-2011 13:43:21] <rmatte> Hackman238: the latest version of the IPSLA pack on your site is the one that has the tab in 2.5.2 right?
[14-Jul-2011 13:45:52] <Hackman238> rmatte: I think so, yes
[14-Jul-2011 13:46:02] <Hackman238> rmatte: I can double check real fast
[14-Jul-2011 13:47:25] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yep
[14-Jul-2011 13:47:44] <Hackman238> rmatte: Same rev as the one I sent you last barring tiny tiny fixes
[14-Jul-2011 13:48:33] <Hackman238> rmatte: Take a look at this: -rw-rw---- 1 mysql mysql 135G Jul 14 17:37 ibdata1
[14-Jul-2011 13:49:03] <Hackman238> *face palm* this is our tiny dc test migrated to ava
[14-Jul-2011 13:50:40] <rmatte> k cool
[14-Jul-2011 13:59:26] <kerick> I like how hardline the survey is...no maybes
[14-Jul-2011 14:01:58] <Hackman238> kerick: Nice
[14-Jul-2011 14:13:52] <jmp242> Wow, didn't mean for it to be "hardline" but I don't see how "maybe" would help us at all lol
[14-Jul-2011 14:19:28] <kerick> yeah, i don't know, just some of the questions were hard for me to say yes or no
[14-Jul-2011 14:24:11] * Praxi agree
[14-Jul-2011 14:29:00] <JohnnyNOC> hey guys
[14-Jul-2011 14:29:08] <Hackman238> Is hardline better or worse?
[14-Jul-2011 14:29:17] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Hey, how goes it?
[14-Jul-2011 14:29:17] <JohnnyNOC> i've been moving devices to my new collector and was having some heartbeat errors so i bounced zenoss.. now it looks like it's having problems starting up
[14-Jul-2011 14:29:18] <JohnnyNOC> http://fpaste.org/OxQT/
[14-Jul-2011 14:29:23] <JohnnyNOC> any ideas what may have happened?
[14-Jul-2011 14:29:38] <JohnnyNOC>
[14-Jul-2011 14:32:10] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: looks like a path prob since pysamba should be right in its python directory.
[14-Jul-2011 14:32:37] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: rmatte can help you better with stack, I've never used it
[14-Jul-2011 14:33:34] <JohnnyNOC> f*cjk
[14-Jul-2011 14:33:45] <kerick> anyone know how to enumerate a ToManyRelationship object?
[14-Jul-2011 14:34:10] <jmp242> doesn't look good JohnnyNOC
[14-Jul-2011 14:34:15] <jmp242> I've never seen that
[14-Jul-2011 14:34:18] <jmp242> though I don't use stack
[14-Jul-2011 14:34:35] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: lets try something
[14-Jul-2011 14:34:58] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: su zenoss, env python then import pysamba.twisted.reactor
[14-Jul-2011 14:35:01] <JohnnyNOC> i just don't know how the f*ck it could have happened
[14-Jul-2011 14:35:09] <JohnnyNOC> all i've done was move devices to new collectors, and physically copy over rrds
[14-Jul-2011 14:35:10] <JohnnyNOC> !!!
[14-Jul-2011 14:35:48] <JohnnyNOC> it's telling me no module
[14-Jul-2011 14:35:53] <JohnnyNOC> ImportError: No module named pysamba.twisted.reactor
[14-Jul-2011 14:36:39] <Hackman238> Hum. 1 sec
[14-Jul-2011 14:37:18] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Does $ZENHOME/lib/python/pysamba/ exist?
[14-Jul-2011 14:38:02] <JohnnyNOC> /usr/local/zenoss/python/lib/pysamba
[14-Jul-2011 14:38:02] <JohnnyNOC> yes
[14-Jul-2011 14:38:39] <JohnnyNOC> and there is /twisted/reactor.py
[14-Jul-2011 14:39:19] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Ah...
[14-Jul-2011 14:39:32] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Trace says /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/ = $ZENHOME
[14-Jul-2011 14:39:47] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Wait....hum....this could be a stack thing
[14-Jul-2011 14:39:54] <Hackman238> rmatte: You in?
[14-Jul-2011 14:40:24] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Does $ZENHOME/lib/python/pysamba/ have proper permissions?
[14-Jul-2011 14:40:44] <rmatte> yeh I am
[14-Jul-2011 14:41:03] <JohnnyNOC> looks the same as it was on the previous machine
[14-Jul-2011 14:41:58] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Hum. can cat /home/zenoss/bash.rc and /home/zenoss/bash_profile?
[14-Jul-2011 14:42:06] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte i'm using stack, and have been moving devices to a new physical collector and manually moving the rrds
[14-Jul-2011 14:42:17] <JohnnyNOC> i noticed some heartbeat errors, so i figured i'd bounce zenoss on this machine. and it won't come up now
[14-Jul-2011 14:42:22] <JohnnyNOC> http://fpaste.org/OxQT/
[14-Jul-2011 14:42:26] <Hackman238> rmatte: Any idea on JohnnyNOC's problem? I'm afraid you're the stack-master
[14-Jul-2011 14:42:27] <JohnnyNOC> any ideas what may have happened or how i can fix?
[14-Jul-2011 14:42:49] <rmatte> I'll have a look...
[14-Jul-2011 14:43:19] <JohnnyNOC> my .bashrc only has this
[14-Jul-2011 14:43:20] <JohnnyNOC> . /usr/local/zenoss/scripts/setenv.sh
[14-Jul-2011 14:43:22] <JohnnyNOC> twice actually
[14-Jul-2011 14:43:30] <rmatte> ImportError: No module named pysamba.twisted.reactor <--- This tells me that it's trying to use the system python instead of the zenoss python
[14-Jul-2011 14:43:58] <rmatte> this is a fresh stack install?
[14-Jul-2011 14:44:19] <JohnnyNOC> it was a fresh stack install which i overwrote from another device
[14-Jul-2011 14:44:28] <JohnnyNOC> i wasn't having problems with it previously
[14-Jul-2011 14:44:31] <rmatte> ah, gotcha
[14-Jul-2011 14:44:40] <rmatte> one second
[14-Jul-2011 14:44:53] <JohnnyNOC> and as i said, all i've been doing is just movign devices to this new physical collector and copying rrds by hand. watching the gui for alerts
[14-Jul-2011 14:45:23] <rmatte> ok, now hold up...
[14-Jul-2011 14:45:35] <rmatte> when you were starting Zenoss were you doing it with /etc/init.d/zenoss-stack start?
[14-Jul-2011 14:45:42] <rmatte> or were you doing zenoss start as the Zenoss user?
[14-Jul-2011 14:45:51] <JohnnyNOC> zenoss stop/start
[14-Jul-2011 14:46:00] <rmatte> ok, what version of Zenoss is this, 2.5?
[14-Jul-2011 14:46:03] <JohnnyNOC> 2.4.2
[14-Jul-2011 14:46:03] <JohnnyNOC> er
[14-Jul-2011 14:46:04] <JohnnyNOC> 2.5.2
[14-Jul-2011 14:46:08] <rmatte> right, k
[14-Jul-2011 14:46:29] <rmatte> Were you the one I suggested doing this to the other day...?
[14-Jul-2011 14:46:30] <rmatte> sed -i "s/su zenoss -c/su zenoss -l -c/g" /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/scripts/ctl.sh
[14-Jul-2011 14:46:36] <JohnnyNOC> yes
[14-Jul-2011 14:46:36] <rmatte> as root
[14-Jul-2011 14:46:39] <JohnnyNOC> but that wasn't the fix to my prob
[14-Jul-2011 14:46:41] <rmatte> ok, and that did nothing
[14-Jul-2011 14:46:44] <JohnnyNOC> and i believe i wiped that install out anyway
[14-Jul-2011 14:46:46] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*
[14-Jul-2011 14:47:23] <JohnnyNOC> just double checked and yes, it hasn't been changed. it's still su zenoss -c "$ZENOSS_START"
[14-Jul-2011 14:47:31] <rmatte> as the Zenoss user...
[14-Jul-2011 14:47:35] <rmatte> type "env"
[14-Jul-2011 14:47:37] <rmatte> and fpaste the output
[14-Jul-2011 14:47:44] <rmatte> ah
[14-Jul-2011 14:47:47] <rmatte> change it first off
[14-Jul-2011 14:47:52] <rmatte> because the -l is important
[14-Jul-2011 14:48:04] <rmatte> it causes the Zenoss environment variables to be loaded when starting
[14-Jul-2011 14:48:07] <rmatte> without it it won't work
[14-Jul-2011 14:48:16] <rmatte> but that's probably only half of the problem
[14-Jul-2011 14:48:24] <rmatte> it's definitely something to do with environment variables though
[14-Jul-2011 14:48:47] <JohnnyNOC> http://fpaste.org/LwJf/
[14-Jul-2011 14:49:46] <rmatte> hmmm
[14-Jul-2011 14:49:48] <JohnnyNOC> ok, i'll change it and restart when it's finished trying to come up
[14-Jul-2011 14:49:49] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Can you post /home/zenoss/bash.rc and /home/zenoss/bash_profile too?
[14-Jul-2011 14:49:55] <rmatte> I think you're missing the pythonpath
[14-Jul-2011 14:50:26] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte i think you may be right.. i see it on the old machine when i type env
[14-Jul-2011 14:50:35] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 i told you what i my .bashrc was.. . /usr/local/zenoss/scripts/setenv.sh
[14-Jul-2011 14:50:38] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/N3LX/
[14-Jul-2011 14:50:40] <JohnnyNOC> twice
[14-Jul-2011 14:50:40] <JohnnyNOC> heh
[14-Jul-2011 14:50:42] <rmatte> The top is yours, the bottom is mine
[14-Jul-2011 14:50:45] <rmatte> notice the difference
[14-Jul-2011 14:50:57] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Oh whoops, my bad.
[14-Jul-2011 14:51:04] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 np
[14-Jul-2011 14:51:04] <JohnnyNOC>
[14-Jul-2011 14:51:24] <rmatte> your big problem is that you're missing PYTHONPATH and ZENOSS_LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[14-Jul-2011 14:51:30] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Classic expect problem...I was expecting redhat like output and recieved unepxected input
[14-Jul-2011 14:51:31] <rmatte> but you're also missing several others
[14-Jul-2011 14:52:04] <rmatte> now, the -l would only cause that when using the init.d script
[14-Jul-2011 14:52:15] <rmatte> but I don't know why you're missing them when you're actually doing: sudo su - zenoss
[14-Jul-2011 14:52:35] <JohnnyNOC> well, i certainly notice a dif in the setenv.sh scripts between the old collector and new one
[14-Jul-2011 14:52:50] <rmatte> that's your main problem then
[14-Jul-2011 14:52:53] <JohnnyNOC> so i'm going to try and replacing the existin setenv.sh
[14-Jul-2011 14:53:01] <JohnnyNOC> i don't doubt it but howwwwwwww
[14-Jul-2011 14:53:02] <JohnnyNOC>
[14-Jul-2011 14:53:03] <rmatte> that should work, make sure you also add the -l's
[14-Jul-2011 14:53:10] <JohnnyNOC> heh
[14-Jul-2011 14:53:11] <rmatte> otherwise the next time the server reboots Zenoss won't come up
[14-Jul-2011 14:53:12] <JohnnyNOC> weird
[14-Jul-2011 14:53:21] <rmatte> I'd love to know why you have different files
[14-Jul-2011 14:53:21] <JohnnyNOC> i haven't made that change yet.. but it looks like it's going to come up this time
[14-Jul-2011 14:53:25] <rmatte> you used the .deb or the .bin>?
[14-Jul-2011 14:53:34] <JohnnyNOC> .deb
[14-Jul-2011 14:53:44] <rmatte> yeh, the .deb is uber flaky from what I've heard
[14-Jul-2011 14:53:48] <JohnnyNOC> it's not complaining right now, it looks like it's coming to come up
[14-Jul-2011 14:53:49] <rmatte> which is why I've stuck to the .bin
[14-Jul-2011 14:53:57] <rmatte> even though the .deb is the .bin wrapped up
[14-Jul-2011 14:53:59] <JohnnyNOC> all i did was remove the second instance of . /usr/local/zenoss/scripts/setenv.sh from my .bashrc
[14-Jul-2011 14:54:11] <rmatte> ah, why'd you have two instances in the first place?
[14-Jul-2011 14:54:19] <rmatte> was there an RPM install on there before?
[14-Jul-2011 14:54:42] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte no clue why there's 2. but i did end up trying this install a few times
[14-Jul-2011 14:54:59] <JohnnyNOC> but i'm pretty sure i had recently restarted it and didn't have that problem, after the multiple attempts at the install
[14-Jul-2011 14:55:59] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte no there was not an rpm install
[14-Jul-2011 14:56:03] <JohnnyNOC> but i did do a .deb install here
[14-Jul-2011 14:56:09] <JohnnyNOC> and what i overwrote with was from a .bin install i believe
[14-Jul-2011 14:56:19] <JohnnyNOC> but i didn't have problems stopping/starting zenoss up until an hour or so ago
[14-Jul-2011 14:58:27] <JohnnyNOC> i just noticed that after i do sudo su - zenoss
[14-Jul-2011 14:58:39] <JohnnyNOC> i still have to source .bashrc if i want that environment
[14-Jul-2011 14:58:40] <JohnnyNOC> :[
[14-Jul-2011 14:59:25] <rmatte> well you know what the problem is, now you need to fix it
[14-Jul-2011 14:59:51] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*
[14-Jul-2011 15:00:04] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: my .bashrc
[14-Jul-2011 15:00:08] <Hackman238> # .bashrc
[14-Jul-2011 15:00:08] <Hackman238> # Source global definitions
[14-Jul-2011 15:00:08] <Hackman238> if [ -f /etc/bashrc ]; then . /etc/bashrc
[14-Jul-2011 15:00:08] <Hackman238> fi
[14-Jul-2011 15:00:08] <Hackman238> # User specific aliases and functions
[14-Jul-2011 15:00:10] <Hackman238> export ZENHOME="/opt/zenoss"
[14-Jul-2011 15:00:13] <Hackman238> export PATH="${ZENHOME}/bin:${PATH}"
[14-Jul-2011 15:00:15] <Hackman238> export PYTHONPATH="/opt/zenoss/lib/python"
[14-Jul-2011 15:00:18] <Hackman238> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/opt/zenoss/lib
[14-Jul-2011 15:00:29] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: try supplying that and tweaking the paths for your install
[14-Jul-2011 15:01:54] <JohnnyNOC> i want to supply you with beer
[14-Jul-2011 15:02:00] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte too
[14-Jul-2011 15:02:14] <rmatte>
[14-Jul-2011 15:02:35] <rmatte> feel free to donate to my paypal account
[14-Jul-2011 15:03:26] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Despite being mostly german I rather prefer Vodka
[14-Jul-2011 15:03:38] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte you're an MMA fighter too right?
[14-Jul-2011 15:03:50] <rmatte> vodka is like drinking rubbing alcohol
[14-Jul-2011 15:04:07] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: nope, but I do like to watch MMA lol
[14-Jul-2011 15:04:07] <Hackman238> rmatte: Aye, seperates women from men.
[14-Jul-2011 15:04:17] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL J/K
[14-Jul-2011 15:04:43] <Hackman238> rmatte: Frankly I take good coffee over anything
[14-Jul-2011 15:04:44] <rmatte> I can take shots of vodka perfectly fine, I just prefer rye, or scotch
[14-Jul-2011 15:05:09] <rmatte> though beer is my true love lol
[14-Jul-2011 15:05:18] <Hackman238> rmatte: Rye is good. Bacardi 151 is pretty good, cheap though.
[14-Jul-2011 15:05:22] <Hackman238> rmatte:
[14-Jul-2011 15:05:25] <JohnnyNOC> rmatte email?
[14-Jul-2011 15:05:30] <rmatte> raw@dmon.org
[14-Jul-2011 15:06:04] <JohnnyNOC> how much is a 24 pack for you and your buds
[14-Jul-2011 15:06:05] <JohnnyNOC>
[14-Jul-2011 15:06:07] <JohnnyNOC> or, just you
[14-Jul-2011 15:08:32] <rmatte> 24 packs are really pricy around here... I'd be happy with $5 for a pint or something
[14-Jul-2011 15:08:52] <JohnnyNOC> i think i sent enough for a 24 pack
[14-Jul-2011 15:08:53] <rmatte> a 24 pack of the beer I like is about $38
[14-Jul-2011 15:09:02] <JohnnyNOC> oh, ok nm
[14-Jul-2011 15:09:03] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yikes! LOL
[14-Jul-2011 15:09:05] <rmatte> but I can get cheaper packs for about $24
[14-Jul-2011 15:09:07] <JohnnyNOC> espeically USD->LOONEY rate
[14-Jul-2011 15:09:18] <rmatte> yeh, the looney is killing right now lol
[14-Jul-2011 15:09:50] <rmatte> thanks for the donation
[14-Jul-2011 15:10:28] <JohnnyNOC> no problem man
[14-Jul-2011 15:10:39] <JohnnyNOC> like i said, get drunk dude
[14-Jul-2011 15:17:23] <Hackman238> rmatte: Just dont end up drunk on TV
[14-Jul-2011 15:17:28] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL
[14-Jul-2011 15:18:24] <rmatte> lol, I won't
[14-Jul-2011 15:23:13] <Hackman238> *yawn* man its been a busy day
[14-Jul-2011 16:06:46] <nyeates> Yes - it has been busy indeedy
[14-Jul-2011 17:02:32] <Hackman238> Later all.
[14-Jul-2011 18:31:28] <otakup0pe> hmm i thought zenoss supported basic http auth for authenticating
[14-Jul-2011 18:31:37] <otakup0pe> basic/digest whatever
[14-Jul-2011 18:33:06] <otakup0pe> oh nm forgot it was a url parameter. but the graphs don't render in my report :|
[14-Jul-2011 18:34:07] <otakup0pe> i swear this used to work with zenoss2. or maybe i had just disabled auth on rrdserver :|
[14-Jul-2011 18:37:07] <otakup0pe> lol looks like the ac_user/ac_pass aren't passed on to embedded images ?
[14-Jul-2011 18:37:16] <otakup0pe> rmatte: or am i just insane >_>
[14-Jul-2011 19:16:38] <otakup0pe> figured it out ~ docs/DOC-2504
[14-Jul-2011 19:17:02] <otakup0pe> kinda hackish though. it seems like user/pass should be passed on.
[14-Jul-2011 20:01:20] <Sam-I-Am> hmm
[14-Jul-2011 20:01:25] <Sam-I-Am> trying to get my company to sell zenoss
[14-Jul-2011 20:40:15] <otakup0pe> hm what would be an easy way to extract the number of graphs zenoss is generating
[14-Jul-2011 20:40:23] <otakup0pe> datapoints would be easy.
[14-Jul-2011 20:52:25] <Sam-I-Am> can probably do it from zendmd
[14-Jul-2011 20:53:02] <Sam-I-Am> theres also statistics from the zenoss server itself
[14-Jul-2011 21:05:11] <otakup0pe> that just has datapoints
[14-Jul-2011 22:51:17] <Sam-I-Am> .
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[15-Jul-2011 02:13:48] <wjimenez5271> hello
[15-Jul-2011 03:02:25] <zykes-> when is it self.transport is set in a protocol ?
[15-Jul-2011 03:55:41] <zykes-> wrong chan
[15-Jul-2011 08:19:12] <Hackman238> Hello all!
[15-Jul-2011 08:19:20] <Gat0rvean> Has anyone read the Michael Badger "Zenoss Core 3.x Network and System Monitoring book?"
[15-Jul-2011 08:19:28] <Gat0rvean> Hackman238: good morning!
[15-Jul-2011 08:19:57] <Hackman238> Gat0rvean: I havent unfortunately.
[15-Jul-2011 08:20:26] <Gat0rvean> Hackman238: cool, just curious, I ordered it, anything can help me right now =P
[15-Jul-2011 08:21:06] <Hackman238> Would be good to hear your review on it so we could reccomend the book to others.
[15-Jul-2011 08:21:11] <Hackman238>
[15-Jul-2011 08:21:32] <Gat0rvean> For sure, I'll def put something on the forums and here
[15-Jul-2011 08:31:43] <klone> Gat0rvean - i've started reading it, but haven't gotten far enough in to give any sort of review. so far it seems to do a good job of breaking down the basics and the concepts of 'what does what'.
[15-Jul-2011 09:16:38] <jmp242> Hi all
[15-Jul-2011 09:16:54] <Hackman238> Hello
[15-Jul-2011 09:16:59] <Hackman238> jmp242: Hoew goes it?
[15-Jul-2011 09:17:09] <jmp242> Ehh, fighting prewikka
[15-Jul-2011 09:17:23] <jmp242> trying to get it to work on apache with other vhosts
[15-Jul-2011 09:17:31] <jmp242> it seems to want it's own
[15-Jul-2011 09:17:46] <jmp242> This is all in my continuing OSSEC fight
[15-Jul-2011 09:17:51] <jmp242> which is proceeding apace
[15-Jul-2011 09:18:57] <Hackman238> jmp242: Hum, I cant say I know much about it
[15-Jul-2011 09:21:02] <jmp242> It's an awesome HIDS I think
[15-Jul-2011 09:21:22] <jmp242> the closest thing to a networked Comodo Internet Security sort of HIPS I've seen, but cross platform lol
[15-Jul-2011 09:38:36] <Hackman238> jmp242: Interesting. Going to have to check it out
[15-Jul-2011 10:28:56] <Gat0rvean> can anyone tell me what running "zentrap debug" does?
[15-Jul-2011 10:29:10] <Gat0rvean> all it did for me was return "Sending SIGUSR1 to 31257"
[15-Jul-2011 10:29:20] <klone> it threw the daemon in debug mode
[15-Jul-2011 10:29:24] <Hackman238> Gat0rvean: It should put the daemon in debug mode so it'll log more data in zentrap.log
[15-Jul-2011 10:29:41] <klone> so now if you tail the zentrap log, you'll see a bunch o' debug data instead of just infos
[15-Jul-2011 10:29:54] <Gat0rvean> Hackman238: where does this zentrap.log reside?
[15-Jul-2011 10:30:06] <Hackman238> Gat0rvean: $ZENHOME/log
[15-Jul-2011 10:30:11] <Gat0rvean> and how might I turn it back off should it become a bit cluttered?
[15-Jul-2011 10:30:21] <klone> $ZENHOME/log/localhost
[15-Jul-2011 10:30:38] <Hackman238> Gat0rvean: zentrap debug again
[15-Jul-2011 10:30:42] <Gat0rvean> Awesome, thanks a bunch, both of ya
[15-Jul-2011 10:30:44] <Hackman238> Gat0rvean: Toggles on/off
[15-Jul-2011 10:32:29] <Hackman238> Gat0rvean: NP
[15-Jul-2011 11:18:37] <JohnnyNOC> anybody know if an snmp datasource with a minimum RRD value of 0 set would alert if the value returned was a string?
[15-Jul-2011 11:20:29] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: It wouldnt accept it
[15-Jul-2011 11:20:45] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Far as I know snmpdatasources only handle numbers
[15-Jul-2011 11:21:06] <JohnnyNOC> hmmm OK
[15-Jul-2011 11:21:15] <klone> yeah, it wants an int
[15-Jul-2011 11:21:55] <JohnnyNOC> gotcha
[15-Jul-2011 11:22:26] <JohnnyNOC> we've had some issues int he past where filesystem usage (size, avail, used) is reported as unknown because (i think) RRD couldn't write the data fast enough as we were IO Bound
[15-Jul-2011 11:22:49] <JohnnyNOC> so i was just wondering if i could add a check of an OID on a template to be sure there is an integer returned for say, storage size
[15-Jul-2011 11:24:44] <JohnnyNOC> hmm.. now that i said that out loud
[15-Jul-2011 11:25:05] <JohnnyNOC> i'm thinking i should be looking in the RRD.. because if it was indeed IO causing the issue the OID would be fine
[15-Jul-2011 11:34:25] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Makes sense
[15-Jul-2011 11:42:57] <JohnnyNOC> yea, and with the SSD in our collector box now I'm guessing we're not going to see that happen as much
[15-Jul-2011 11:42:57] <JohnnyNOC>
[15-Jul-2011 11:55:09] <rmatte> lovely, zenping is suddenly doing this for a device...
[15-Jul-2011 11:55:09] <rmatte> 2011-07-15 11:54:46,020 DEBUG zen.Ping: unexpected pkt 192.168.100.10 <ICMP packet 0 0>
[15-Jul-2011 11:55:18] <rmatte> even though the device is pingable
[15-Jul-2011 11:55:21] <rmatte> I hate zenping sometimes
[15-Jul-2011 11:56:10] <Hackman238> rmatte: Unepxected packet means zenping recieved an icmp packet
[15-Jul-2011 11:57:14] <klone> +1
[15-Jul-2011 11:57:47] <Hackman238> rmatte: Buit agreed...I hate zenping
[15-Jul-2011 11:57:48] <klone> if it's not an icmp unreachable or an ech reply, it'll throw that because it doesn't expect it
[15-Jul-2011 11:58:23] <Hackman238> s/buit/but/
[15-Jul-2011 11:58:28] <rmatte> Hackman238: how does receiving an ICMP packet indicate that a device is down? lol
[15-Jul-2011 11:58:32] <rmatte> mind boggling
[15-Jul-2011 11:59:13] <Hackman238> rmatte: Thing is it doesnt use that packe to determin status at all, up or down. Only echo and unreachable.
[15-Jul-2011 11:59:52] <Hackman238> rmatte: Whatever is causing that devices packets to not be read is probably causing the zenping problem with the device in general
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[15-Jul-2011 12:00:27] <Hackman238> rmatte: Unfortuantely we see tens of thousands of those unexpected packets a day since our zenoss boxes get hit by all sorts of tools, etc
[15-Jul-2011 12:00:54] <rmatte> fun
[15-Jul-2011 12:01:15] <Hackman238> rmatte: you know it. LOL
[15-Jul-2011 12:01:24] <Hackman238> rmatte: Hows by you today?
[15-Jul-2011 12:01:28] <rmatte> not bad
[15-Jul-2011 12:01:30] <rmatte> you?
[15-Jul-2011 12:02:30] <Hackman238> rmatte: Its definately friday. My focus is...poor at best today. I worked until 4:30AM est on paperwork and figuring decay reactions.
[15-Jul-2011 12:02:36] <rocket> Hackman238: put in a feature request for a flag to silence those warnings
[15-Jul-2011 12:02:38] <Hackman238> rmatte: ...cant wait for 4pm
[15-Jul-2011 12:03:03] <rmatte>
[15-Jul-2011 12:03:09] <Hackman238> rocket: Just a ticket, right?
[15-Jul-2011 12:03:32] <rmatte> It's not the warnings that concern me, it's why Zenoss is showing a device as down when I can run an active ping on it and get 0% packet loss that bothers me
[15-Jul-2011 12:08:06] <Hackman238> rmatte: Agreed. I had lots of fun with that one when I found juniper Netscreens mangling zenoss's icmp packets
[15-Jul-2011 12:08:31] <rmatte> that's exactly the device that I'm having the issues with
[15-Jul-2011 12:08:44] <rmatte> didn't have any issues with it up until today though
[15-Jul-2011 12:09:27] <rmatte> hmmm, I think that device may be experiencing other network issues though, a bunch of vpn tunnels just dropped on it
[15-Jul-2011 12:09:28] <rmatte> hmmm
[15-Jul-2011 12:12:18] <rmatte> another netscreen at that location rebooted around the same time I started seeing these false positives
[15-Jul-2011 12:13:34] <rmatte> tgif
[15-Jul-2011 12:15:30] <rmatte> I saw a guy in a wheelchair get crowd-surfed on stage last night
[15-Jul-2011 12:15:41] <rmatte> never seen that before lol
[15-Jul-2011 12:16:09] <klone> wow
[15-Jul-2011 12:17:55] <rmatte> Hackman238: so do you have a solution for netscreens mangling the packets?
[15-Jul-2011 12:19:05] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yep. No more netscreens
[15-Jul-2011 12:19:29] <rmatte> ah
[15-Jul-2011 12:19:41] <rmatte> not an option in our case unfortunately lol
[15-Jul-2011 12:19:59] <rmatte> If it comes to it I'll just disable ping monitoring on them
[15-Jul-2011 12:19:59] <Hackman238> rmatte: It was really intermittant. Juniper told us it was because the code was old and the icmp packets were being processed by the cpu and getting malformed sometimes
[15-Jul-2011 12:20:13] <rmatte> I'll still get the snmp warning if they go down
[15-Jul-2011 12:20:26] <Hackman238> rmatte: Wheelchair crowd surf????
[15-Jul-2011 12:20:31] <Hackman238> rmatte: Damn LOL
[15-Jul-2011 12:20:32] <rmatte> yup
[15-Jul-2011 12:21:26] <Hackman238> rmatte: It could also be the netscreen cpu is becoming oerwhlemed and ditching packets in the trash while youre not looking
[15-Jul-2011 12:21:44] <Hackman238> rmatte: Happens for icmp, netbios, magic packet. Special stuff
[15-Jul-2011 12:23:30] <rmatte> ah
[15-Jul-2011 12:23:48] <rmatte> lovely piece of technology that is
[15-Jul-2011 12:23:56] <Hackman238> rmatte: Frankly its usually when the device's cpu is hosed. jsut reboot it.
[15-Jul-2011 12:23:59] <rmatte> one of our analysts apparently found a section of config that may be causing the issue
[15-Jul-2011 12:24:05] <Hackman238> rmatte: Oh cool
[15-Jul-2011 12:24:08] <rmatte> I asked him to email me the section if it turns out to be the cause
[15-Jul-2011 12:24:14] <Hackman238> rmatte: Lines 1->EOF?
[15-Jul-2011 12:24:20] <Hackman238> rmatte:
[15-Jul-2011 12:24:50] <rmatte> lol
[15-Jul-2011 12:25:30] <Hackman238> rmatte: Since you ahve a netscreen, would you mind testing a pack I was wokring on for another guy in the community?
[15-Jul-2011 12:25:45] <Hackman238> rmatte: Models and monitors netscreen tunnels like interfaces
[15-Jul-2011 12:25:46] <rmatte> ah, they are being replaced in 2 months anyways
[15-Jul-2011 12:25:52] <rmatte> with Juniper SRX devices I believe
[15-Jul-2011 12:26:08] <Hackman238> rmatte: I knew it....solution is no more netscreen XD
[15-Jul-2011 12:26:16] <rmatte> hehe
[15-Jul-2011 12:26:35] <rmatte> I'm still waiting for one client to ditch their catalyst 6509 switches
[15-Jul-2011 12:26:41] <rmatte> what a tremendous pain in the ass those are
[15-Jul-2011 12:27:05] <Hackman238> rmatte: 6509 -> ASR. ASR's are nice
[15-Jul-2011 12:27:22] <rmatte> they are going to be replacing them with Cisco Nexus devices
[15-Jul-2011 12:27:45] <Hackman238> rmatte: Has my money making chips in them (NP-4 from EZCH)
[15-Jul-2011 12:27:52] <rmatte>
[15-Jul-2011 12:28:33] <Hackman238> rmatte: http://www.newelectronics.co.uk/electronics-technology/network-processor-set-to-support-200gbit-s-throughput/35267/
[15-Jul-2011 12:28:45] <rmatte> that's lots of throughput
[15-Jul-2011 12:28:48] <Hackman238> rmatte: Article on NP-5 ASIC
[15-Jul-2011 12:29:06] <Hackman238> rmatte: Aye....bye EZCH now before the train leaves
[15-Jul-2011 12:29:15] <rmatte> buy*
[15-Jul-2011 12:29:16] <rmatte>
[15-Jul-2011 12:29:27] <rmatte> but yeh, sounds promising
[15-Jul-2011 12:29:39] <Hackman238> rmatte: Wow thats an intersting typo
[15-Jul-2011 12:29:39] <rmatte> then again there's always some other company developing something similar
[15-Jul-2011 12:29:56] <Hackman238> rmatte: Since I dont mixup those words. LOL
[15-Jul-2011 12:30:03] <rmatte> lol
[15-Jul-2011 12:30:11] <Hackman238> rmatte: Juniper tries and fails usually.
[15-Jul-2011 12:30:30] <Hackman238> rmatte: Cisco is working on soemthing, but it'll be years before it can compete
[15-Jul-2011 12:30:50] <rmatte> hehe
[15-Jul-2011 12:31:07] <rmatte> Cisco really do have a stranglehold on the market though
[15-Jul-2011 12:31:32] <Hackman238> rmatte: Thats the point....they are one of the largest consumers of EZCH's processors
[15-Jul-2011 12:31:49] <rmatte> ah
[15-Jul-2011 12:32:29] <rmatte> Cisco is apparently set to lay off 10,000 people
[15-Jul-2011 12:33:14] <Hackman238> rmatte: I hadnt heard yet. State of economy is still relatively poor
[15-Jul-2011 12:33:21] <rmatte> yeh
[15-Jul-2011 12:33:57] <rmatte> I look at the economy as something that baloons until it implodes and then starts expanding again, it's basically the trend
[15-Jul-2011 12:34:09] <Hackman238> rmatte: Read about a new legal money scheme today.
[15-Jul-2011 12:34:33] <rmatte> lend money, receive double back or break legs?
[15-Jul-2011 12:34:40] <Hackman238> rmatte: Buy up $1 coins from the US mint for 1:$1 ratio, free shipping.
[15-Jul-2011 12:34:55] <Hackman238> rmatte: Pay with a credit card that gives you points or rewards
[15-Jul-2011 12:35:06] <Hackman238> rmatte: Put the money in the bank and pay off the charges in full
[15-Jul-2011 12:35:42] <Hackman238> rmatte: Its all profit.
[15-Jul-2011 12:35:48] <rmatte> true
[15-Jul-2011 12:35:56] <rmatte> what charges would apply?
[15-Jul-2011 12:35:57] <Hackman238> rmatte: Poor gullible Fed employees didnt see that one comming
[15-Jul-2011 12:36:01] <Hackman238> rmatte: None
[15-Jul-2011 12:36:05] <klone> http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/07/13/137795995/how-frequent-fliers-exploit-a-government-program-to-get-free-trips
[15-Jul-2011 12:36:05] <rmatte> ah
[15-Jul-2011 12:36:25] <rmatte> smart
[15-Jul-2011 12:37:21] <Hackman238> rmatte: http://catalog.usmint.gov/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=16428&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=27238
[15-Jul-2011 12:37:28] <Hackman238> rmatte: Buy away!
[15-Jul-2011 12:37:43] <rmatte> well, it doesn't work that way if I'm in Canada
[15-Jul-2011 12:37:58] <Hackman238> rmatte: Darn, forgot you were in Canada
[15-Jul-2011 12:38:03] <rmatte> because now we have to take in to account the money that I gain from the exchange rate
[15-Jul-2011 12:38:10] <rmatte> and that needs to be declared as profits on my taxes
[15-Jul-2011 12:38:15] <rmatte> more complex than I care for lol
[15-Jul-2011 12:38:24] <Hackman238> LOL
[15-Jul-2011 12:41:09] <Hackman238> mattray: Received your email yesterday, I havent had a chance to reply yet
[15-Jul-2011 12:41:27] <Hackman238> mattray: How goes it?
[15-Jul-2011 12:41:41] <mattray> crazy busy as always.
[15-Jul-2011 12:42:09] <Hackman238> mattray: Same here. My todo list is madness.
[15-Jul-2011 12:42:10] <mattray> just figure when people ask me to do Zenoss contracting, I'll send them your way
[15-Jul-2011 12:42:25] <Hackman238> mattray: I appreciate it
[15-Jul-2011 13:25:14] <LiamMac> Anyone here familiar with the perl ZenOSS lib ?
[15-Jul-2011 13:25:43] <Hackman238> LiamMac: What lib?
[15-Jul-2011 13:25:57] <LiamMac> for the API in 3.0+ http://search.cpan.org/dist/Zenoss/lib/Zenoss/
[15-Jul-2011 13:26:19] <klone> yeah, someone wrote a wrapper ... i haven't used it, though
[15-Jul-2011 13:27:47] <Hackman238> Oh wow
[15-Jul-2011 13:27:56] <Hackman238> LiamMac: Never used it, sorry.
[15-Jul-2011 13:33:42] <LiamMac> hmmm.. Having no end of trouble with it. I'm trying to Write a form that simplifies device addition in our environment but I can't seem to move devices to groups via that library. Any suggestions for another road to explore?
[15-Jul-2011 13:36:17] <klone> LiamMac - by 'move devices to groups', do you mean a device class, or a group organizer?
[15-Jul-2011 13:36:30] <LiamMac> group organizer
[15-Jul-2011 13:37:08] <klone> at first glance, i don't see a setter that provides that
[15-Jul-2011 13:37:10] <klone> hmm
[15-Jul-2011 14:04:37] <dpetzel> firebug tells me you want the moveDevices method.
[15-Jul-2011 14:06:05] <dpetzel> I'm not familar with the perl wrapper library, but when I do the move via the UI, it bangs against the deviceRouter and invokes the moveDevices method
[15-Jul-2011 14:07:05] <dpetzel> There appears to be a pretty decent chunk of params that need to go along with it
[15-Jul-2011 14:09:35] <LiamMac> hmmm.. That's odd. The perl lib has this device_moveDevices() method but it only requires 3 params http://search.cpan.org/~patbaker/Zenoss-1.08/lib/Zenoss/Router/Device.pm#$obj->device_moveDevices() that's the one that keeps failing for me from their documentation it seems simple enough (with only 3 required params
[15-Jul-2011 14:09:52] <LiamMac> more digging on my part is needed I guess
[15-Jul-2011 14:10:26] <dpetzel> sorry, yeah I missed the giant italic Optional next to most of them in the JSON api documents
[15-Jul-2011 14:10:55] <JohnnyNOC> can anyone speculate on what might cause (for example) an interfaces snmpindex to change?
[15-Jul-2011 14:11:00] <LiamMac> no worries thanks for doing that digging for me.
[15-Jul-2011 14:11:30] <dpetzel> LiamMac, your doing getDevices first, stripping out the hash from the value returned and then shoving that valu as the hashcheck param right?
[15-Jul-2011 14:11:45] <dpetzel> as opposed to passing the literal getDevices() as the param value?
[15-Jul-2011 14:11:50] <LiamMac> yep.. And I think I just found the issue
[15-Jul-2011 14:12:58] <LiamMac> I was passing a single UID, it looks like you can pass multiple so it needs to be formatted as a list. Facepalm
[15-Jul-2011 14:23:15] <JohnnyNOC> or is there a way to do something so the snmpindex'es are recalculated without removing/adding a device?
[15-Jul-2011 14:25:55] <Simon4> automatically? or manually?
[15-Jul-2011 14:33:50] <JohnnyNOC> either way really
[15-Jul-2011 14:34:12] <JohnnyNOC> i finally realized all the "error reading value for xyz oid is bad" alerts are because somehwo the snmpindex's got messed up
[15-Jul-2011 14:34:28] <JohnnyNOC> fortunatately it's not widespread, so i don't have a problem fixing these manually but i figured i'd ask you guys
[15-Jul-2011 15:16:54] <jmp242> logstash may be my savior if I can only get it to work lol
[15-Jul-2011 15:56:04] <simonjj> logstash is the shit
[15-Jul-2011 15:56:47] <simonjj> JohnnyNOC: try remodeling, that should reset all the indexes
[15-Jul-2011 15:58:43] <JohnnyNOC> simonjj i thought i had tried that before deleting/readding
[15-Jul-2011 16:00:08] <simonjj> remodeling will reset the indexes, that's what it's designed to do
[15-Jul-2011 16:00:25] <simonjj> the question is, are the oids actually valid?
[15-Jul-2011 16:00:37] <simonjj> you got the wrong template bound maybe?
[15-Jul-2011 16:00:41] <JohnnyNOC> nah
[15-Jul-2011 16:01:10] <simonjj> so when you walk the table, the results show you that the indexes that are in zenoss are off?
[15-Jul-2011 16:01:12] <simonjj> for sure?
[15-Jul-2011 16:01:21] <JohnnyNOC> yes
[15-Jul-2011 16:01:33] <simonjj> and remodeling doesn't fix/adjust the indexes?
[15-Jul-2011 16:01:35] <JohnnyNOC> there were some eth interfaces that were .6 and .7 in zenoss which didn't exist
[15-Jul-2011 16:01:49] <JohnnyNOC> i thought i had remodeled it and didn't notice a change which is why i decided to just remove re-add
[15-Jul-2011 16:01:52] <simonjj> and when you remodeled they didn't disappear?
[15-Jul-2011 16:01:56] <JohnnyNOC> but i may not have been paying closer attention
[15-Jul-2011 16:02:38] <simonjj> next time you wanna know try deleting something that you know will reappear, like delete eth0, then model
[15-Jul-2011 16:02:45] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*
[15-Jul-2011 16:02:49] <JohnnyNOC> i have another example i'm going to try right now
[15-Jul-2011 16:02:50] <JohnnyNOC>
[15-Jul-2011 16:02:56] <simonjj> if it reappears, modeling worked
[15-Jul-2011 16:03:42] <JohnnyNOC> i noted the snmpindex was 1.1 before trying to remodel
[15-Jul-2011 16:03:47] <JohnnyNOC> it's complaining about some PCI card
[15-Jul-2011 16:04:05] <JohnnyNOC> snmpindex hasn't changed
[15-Jul-2011 16:04:26] <JohnnyNOC> 2011-07-15 15:00:53,765 WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Error reading value for "pci3" on SOMESERVER (oid .1.3.6.1.4.1.674.10892.1.1100.80.1.5.1.1.1 is bad)
[15-Jul-2011 16:05:10] <JohnnyNOC> when i snmpwalk it
[15-Jul-2011 16:05:11] <JohnnyNOC> SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.674.10892.1.1100.80.1.5.1.1.1 = No Such Instance currently exists at this OID
[15-Jul-2011 16:05:35] <JohnnyNOC> now, if this is like the other devices from earlier.. deleting/re-adding will fix the snmpindex of this thing and it won't complain
[15-Jul-2011 16:05:53] <JohnnyNOC> but remodeling doesn't appear to have changed anything
[15-Jul-2011 16:07:11] <simonjj> interesting, this is for which version of zenoss and using which zenpack?
[15-Jul-2011 16:07:39] <JohnnyNOC> 2.5.2
[15-Jul-2011 16:08:01] <JohnnyNOC> i'm using HPMon in this case
[15-Jul-2011 16:08:18] <JohnnyNOC> so the snmpindex for that pci3 is the same
[15-Jul-2011 16:08:22] <JohnnyNOC> but it came up greyed out
[15-Jul-2011 16:08:23] <JohnnyNOC> hrm
[15-Jul-2011 16:09:07] <simonjj> uff
[15-Jul-2011 16:09:12] <simonjj> time to upgrade mister
[15-Jul-2011 16:09:17] <JohnnyNOC> yea, no question about that
[15-Jul-2011 16:09:17] <JohnnyNOC>
[15-Jul-2011 16:09:28] <JohnnyNOC> i'm shuffling some things around so we can get Zenoss 3 freshly installed
[15-Jul-2011 16:09:49] <simonjj> certainly a good idea
[15-Jul-2011 16:09:53] <simonjj> but by no means needed
[15-Jul-2011 16:09:59] <simonjj> we have plenty of users upgrading
[15-Jul-2011 16:10:14] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*
[15-Jul-2011 16:10:18] <JohnnyNOC> i tried to restore a backup and it failed
[15-Jul-2011 16:10:24] <JohnnyNOC> i have little faith an upgrade is going to work
[15-Jul-2011 16:10:49] <JohnnyNOC> but i inherited this setup and am not sure of all the things the gentlemen previous to me may have done
[15-Jul-2011 16:10:52] <JohnnyNOC> which is why i'd prefer just to start fresh
[15-Jul-2011 16:11:13] <JohnnyNOC> another reason, we have a distributed collector setup without using the zenpack
[15-Jul-2011 16:11:34] <JohnnyNOC> i just think it would be problematic, and starting fresh so i can document would be help tremendously
[15-Jul-2011 16:12:30] <simonjj> you're right, it might be best to run in parallel for a while
[15-Jul-2011 16:12:44] <JohnnyNOC> you bring up an interesting point
[15-Jul-2011 16:12:50] <JohnnyNOC> i considered running 2 parallel instances temporarily
[15-Jul-2011 16:13:00] <JohnnyNOC> but people here advised against it, and there wasn't much on that topic in the forums
[15-Jul-2011 16:13:05] <JohnnyNOC> what are your opinions on it?
[15-Jul-2011 16:13:37] <JohnnyNOC> just tried on another machine with a similar issue.. it's complaining about this interface with an snmpindex of 5 and i see all these oids with .5 failing
[15-Jul-2011 16:13:39] <JohnnyNOC> remodeled, it's still .5
[15-Jul-2011 16:13:43] <JohnnyNOC> er, 5
[15-Jul-2011 16:16:51] <JohnnyNOC> i'm glad i finally understand that issue
[15-Jul-2011 16:17:01] <JohnnyNOC> i read something previously that suggested creating a transform to drop those
[15-Jul-2011 16:24:23] <simonjj> yeah, droping them gets them out of the system
[15-Jul-2011 16:24:33] <simonjj> but ideally you fix the cuase
[15-Jul-2011 16:25:01] <simonjj> we usualy recommend people to setup system in parallel and then switch over when the new system is live and working
[15-Jul-2011 16:28:55] <JohnnyNOC> simonjj you mean on the same machine?
[15-Jul-2011 16:29:25] <klone> definitely not the same machine
[15-Jul-2011 16:30:51] <simonjj> no
[15-Jul-2011 16:30:54] <JohnnyNOC> i didn't think so
[15-Jul-2011 16:30:56] <simonjj> seperate box
[15-Jul-2011 16:31:21] <simonjj> if you can afford it, hardware wise of course
[15-Jul-2011 16:31:24] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*
[15-Jul-2011 16:31:33] <JohnnyNOC> unfortunately i can't be spared additional hardware
[15-Jul-2011 16:31:36] <simonjj> that's the best /least disrubtive strategy
[15-Jul-2011 16:31:45] <JohnnyNOC> so our current setup uses 2 machines.. 1 primary with zope/mysql and the other for just collection
[15-Jul-2011 16:32:13] <JohnnyNOC> i'm going to have to move collection to the same machine with zope/mysql while we rebuild the collector
[15-Jul-2011 16:32:16] <simonjj> if that's not an option, I would recommend that you test/dry-run the upgrade on a seperate box away from your main box
[15-Jul-2011 16:32:22] <simonjj> and once you got it all nailed
[15-Jul-2011 16:32:25] <JohnnyNOC> so i've been thinking about it the whole process a lot lately
[15-Jul-2011 16:32:26] <simonjj> then do it on the mainbox
[15-Jul-2011 16:32:36] <simonjj> brb
[15-Jul-2011 16:32:38] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*
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[15-Jul-2011 16:38:08] <JohnnyNOC> wb
[15-Jul-2011 19:31:47] <otakup0pe> i need to figure out how to use zendmd
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[16-Jul-2011 15:53:30] <bender183> whats going on with zenoss is there going to be a fork?
[16-Jul-2011 15:54:03] <bender183> thats re the topic
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[18-Jul-2011 03:59:48] <froztbyte> eh
[18-Jul-2011 04:00:12] <froztbyte> doesn't look like I can use the web interface (2.5.2) to change a location organizer's name?
[18-Jul-2011 04:55:51] <tsener> where do I set WMI query timeout ?
[18-Jul-2011 08:19:07] <Hackman238> Hello all
[18-Jul-2011 08:36:05] <Sam-I-Am> moorning
[18-Jul-2011 08:36:17] <klone> *yawn*
[18-Jul-2011 08:36:23] <Hackman238> How goes it?
[18-Jul-2011 08:36:30] <Sam-I-Am> not bad
[18-Jul-2011 08:36:38] <Sam-I-Am> its monday
[18-Jul-2011 08:37:07] <Sam-I-Am> and i need to find a source of better coffee
[18-Jul-2011 08:37:18] * Simon4 is still tired after his weekend of cycling
[18-Jul-2011 08:37:30] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Office coffee undrinkable?
[18-Jul-2011 08:37:33] <Simon4> note to self: 200km to the beach starting at 9pm hurts
[18-Jul-2011 08:37:43] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: i'm at a hotel
[18-Jul-2011 08:37:55] <jmp242> Monday - enough Diet Coke makes it ok
[18-Jul-2011 08:38:09] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: In a hotel but in the forum?
[18-Jul-2011 08:38:24] <Sam-I-Am> forum?
[18-Jul-2011 08:38:37] <Hackman238> Simon4: I bet. Thats a serious hike
[18-Jul-2011 08:38:48] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: IRC rather LOL
[18-Jul-2011 08:38:51] <Sam-I-Am> ah
[18-Jul-2011 08:38:53] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: ...its Monday
[18-Jul-2011 08:38:54] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, for now.
[18-Jul-2011 08:39:02] <Sam-I-Am> until i venture to the client site
[18-Jul-2011 08:39:10] <Simon4> Hackman238: good fun though, over 1500 people did it
[18-Jul-2011 08:39:10] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Ah gotcha
[18-Jul-2011 08:39:11] <Sam-I-Am> unless the client needs zenoss, then i might be in here
[18-Jul-2011 08:39:39] <Hackman238> Simon4: Very cool. Couple of guys here on the Zenoss team cycle hardcore like that.
[18-Jul-2011 08:39:46] <Sam-I-Am> not quite sure what i'm up to today
[18-Jul-2011 08:39:48] <Sam-I-Am> find out when i get there
[18-Jul-2011 08:39:58] * Sam-I-Am is a hardcord cyclist
[18-Jul-2011 08:40:01] <Sam-I-Am> hardcore
[18-Jul-2011 08:40:19] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Ah, waiting for dispatch
[18-Jul-2011 08:40:28] <Simon4> I bought my roadbike three weeks ago, so it was a great way to urm.. get into the world of hardcore road cycling
[18-Jul-2011 08:40:31] <Simon4> longtime MTB'er
[18-Jul-2011 08:40:51] <Sam-I-Am> thats going in head-first
[18-Jul-2011 08:41:18] <Hackman238> ...I cant help but drive usually. I hate the weather here in SA. I dont know how anyone could be outside here for very long. I used to hike back in NY.
[18-Jul-2011 08:41:24] <Hackman238> Simon4: Oh wow
[18-Jul-2011 08:41:41] <Simon4> I run as well, so it wasn't _too_ bad
[18-Jul-2011 08:41:46] <Sam-I-Am> Hackman238: i'm in minneapolis for the week (or so)
[18-Jul-2011 08:41:49] <Sam-I-Am> its BAD here
[18-Jul-2011 08:41:56] <Simon4> loving the new bike though - best purchase in a long time
[18-Jul-2011 08:41:59] <Sam-I-Am> spent 5 mins outside talking to someone and i was drenched
[18-Jul-2011 08:42:24] <Sam-I-Am> its what i get for moving to denver... they send me back to the midworst
[18-Jul-2011 08:42:43] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: LOL
[18-Jul-2011 08:42:47] <Hackman238> Simon4: Glad to hear
[18-Jul-2011 08:43:13] <Sam-I-Am> brought my cycling gear in case the weather improves and i can rent a bike
[18-Jul-2011 08:43:22] <Sam-I-Am> but otherwise i dont want to be out there
[18-Jul-2011 08:44:05] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: must be good mountain biking out of Denver?
[18-Jul-2011 08:44:16] <Sam-I-Am> oh yeah
[18-Jul-2011 08:44:25] <Sam-I-Am> i'm mostly a roadie though
[18-Jul-2011 08:45:20] <Sam-I-Am> mostly because my mountain bike sucked
[18-Jul-2011 08:45:43] <Sam-I-Am> got rid of it, needs replacement. probably a hardtail single speed 29er
[18-Jul-2011 08:45:55] <Simon4> nice choice
[18-Jul-2011 08:46:00] * Simon4 has a 6.5" full suss trailbike
[18-Jul-2011 08:46:17] <Simon4> slightly too burly for the UK, but awesome in the French alps
[18-Jul-2011 08:50:21] <Hackman238> Simon4: Biked in the french alps?
[18-Jul-2011 08:50:35] <Sam-I-Am> european riding looks awesome, but i havent heard much about the UK
[18-Jul-2011 08:50:58] <Sam-I-Am> doubt i'll ever get over there, but i can dream
[18-Jul-2011 08:51:48] <Sam-I-Am> yum, heat index of 115 today
[18-Jul-2011 08:52:05] <Simon4> Hackman238: mountain biked yeah - they open up some of the ski resorts
[18-Jul-2011 08:52:11] <Simon4> so you can take lifts up/ride down
[18-Jul-2011 08:52:14] <Hackman238> Simon4: Way beyond what I've done...I'm just used to hiking and climing in Vermont and backwater-upstate NY.
[18-Jul-2011 08:52:14] <Simon4> huge vertical
[18-Jul-2011 08:52:38] <Hackman238> Simon4: Sounds awesome.
[18-Jul-2011 08:54:47] <Simon4> is a whole bunch o fun.
[18-Jul-2011 08:54:56] <Simon4> next year I might have to try and get in a road trip there also
[18-Jul-2011 08:58:45] <Hackman238> Simon4: Nice
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[18-Jul-2011 10:06:35] <fragfutter> for event transforms is it possible to use an eventClassKey as a prefix? I have a bunch of snmp traps coming in that all live somewhere below the same oid-prefix and i simply want to modify the summary for all of them.
[18-Jul-2011 10:27:22] <klone> fragfutter - you're wanting to reference evt.eventClassKey ?
[18-Jul-2011 10:54:03] <fragfutter> klone: no. its an snmp trap i want to classify all traps starting with 1.2.3 (instead of writing one event class for 1.2.3.4, one for 1.2.3.5, and so on)
[18-Jul-2011 10:56:30] <tsener> hmm
[18-Jul-2011 11:02:23] <dhopp> Hackman238: you around?
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[18-Jul-2011 11:06:54] <dhopp> Does Zope talk directly to MySQL to retrieve the events, or does it query zenhub?
[18-Jul-2011 11:10:18] <Hackman238> dhopp: Hey, how goes it?
[18-Jul-2011 11:10:36] <Hackman238> dhopp: Its myunderstanding zope always asks zenhub
[18-Jul-2011 11:10:41] <Hackman238> *my understanding
[18-Jul-2011 11:11:07] <Hackman238> dhopp: There could be exceptions to this, like the availability calculation on the device Status pages.
[18-Jul-2011 11:14:04] <dhopp> doh…better update my diagram (need to show one to the suits)
[18-Jul-2011 11:14:46] <dhopp> so even when it asks for rrd files, it queries zenhub?
[18-Jul-2011 11:15:16] <Hackman238> dhopp: Tell the suits that Zenoss is a box that only you need to know the contents...6 months later ask for a raise
[18-Jul-2011 11:15:27] <Hackman238> dhopp: LOL Only kidding
[18-Jul-2011 11:25:48] <dhopp> haha
[18-Jul-2011 11:26:24] <dhopp> Unfortunately that is pretty much how our existing monitoring (home grown) works…and the guy that knew the contents is no longer here
[18-Jul-2011 11:27:11] <dhopp> How does Zenoss handle an active/passive server setup, so when a server goes down the disks move to the other server? I'm assuming that it will freakout about the disk being gone
[18-Jul-2011 11:27:16] <Hackman238> dhopp: Yeah thats a bad situation to be thrown in to
[18-Jul-2011 11:27:58] <dhopp> Hackman238: I've been able to pickup a bits and pieces and can keep the system running…but it's not ideal and I can't ask google when there is something I don't know :-)
[18-Jul-2011 11:30:19] <Hackman238> dhopp: Very true
[18-Jul-2011 11:31:25] <dhopp> Hackman238: do you know what happens in the case of an active/passive server setup when disks migrate between servers?
[18-Jul-2011 11:31:52] <tsener> I am how could I use zFileSystemMapIgnoreTypes to disable monitoring for certain unix paths
[18-Jul-2011 11:32:09] <tsener> e.g. bsd with jails
[18-Jul-2011 11:32:22] <JohnnyNOC> tsener we have something like this
[18-Jul-2011 11:32:26] <JohnnyNOC> /home|/mnt|/exports|/net|/media
[18-Jul-2011 11:32:32] <JohnnyNOC> not sure how it would work with your jails however
[18-Jul-2011 11:37:58] <klone> tsener - the 'zFileSystemMapIgnoreTypes' is what you'd use to handle skipping a file system based on what it reports as its type for each file system via .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.2.3.1
[18-Jul-2011 11:38:29] <klone> if it's a mount point, you'd want to do it via zFileSystemMapIgnoreNames like JohnnyNOC is doing
[18-Jul-2011 11:39:55] <tsener> ah yes
[18-Jul-2011 11:40:01] <tsener> it works great
[18-Jul-2011 11:40:03] <tsener> 10x klone
[18-Jul-2011 11:40:57] <klone> np
[18-Jul-2011 11:45:08] <nyeates> dhopp: in an active-passive setup, what you *really* care about is the service - the individual machines are secondary
[18-Jul-2011 11:45:22] <nyeates> agreed? what is the service?
[18-Jul-2011 11:46:12] <nyeates> dhopp: do you have some kind of Virtual IP for the service?
[18-Jul-2011 11:49:57] <nyeates> For the Virtual IP, make a device for it in zenoss. Unmonitor anything that is not shared. Just monitor the service that is being exposed by that IP
[18-Jul-2011 11:50:24] <nyeates> For the multiple physical boxes, turn off all IP services to be monitored and any shared filesystem monitoring, and lock these settings. To do this, use: zFileSystemMapIgnoreNames, zCollectorPlugins, zLocalIpAdresses
[18-Jul-2011 11:50:56] <Hackman238> nyeates: Hi Nick. How goes it?
[18-Jul-2011 11:53:10] <nyeates> Specifically, zLocalIpAddresses will need to be a pipe delimited regex telling zenoss to ignore the other systems in this setup. Ex: |^192\.168\.10\.73|^192\.168\.20\. where the first IP is the Virtual ip, and the second is any manage ips (how the vip gets to the physical machines)
[18-Jul-2011 11:54:09] <dhopp> nyeates: we do have a couple of ips that move between machines (they are SQL Server clusters)
[18-Jul-2011 11:54:48] <dhopp> nyeates: and that's sort of what I thought we would have to do…cluster IP monitoring shared services and local ips monitoring everything else
[18-Jul-2011 11:54:58] <nyeates> i mighta missed something u said dhopp
[18-Jul-2011 11:55:39] <andarius> Hello ladies and gents. I was wondering if someone could assist with an install related question.
[18-Jul-2011 11:55:48] <nyeates> also, the VIP device in zenoss will need to have its zLocalIpAddresses set to something like |^192\.168\.20\.11|^192.168.20.12 where both IPs are the management ips of the physical boxes
[18-Jul-2011 11:55:54] <dhopp> nyeates: basically we have some sql servers that are active/passive with their disks…however they may have 2 sql server instances running, 1 on node 1 and 1 on node 2 and each has a disk volume assigned to it..when that instance fails over so does the disk
[18-Jul-2011 11:58:58] <dhopp> andarius: ask the question and there is a good chance that somebody can help you
[18-Jul-2011 11:59:17] <nyeates> dhopp: gotcha.....im sure u can figure out with the above info I gave.... I have a diagram for it here: http://imgur.com/BP2sC
[18-Jul-2011 11:59:22] <andarius> I am attempting a source based install on a slackware machine which fails with the zope install
[18-Jul-2011 11:59:30] <andarius> Sorry, my terminal dropped for a second
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[18-Jul-2011 12:00:31] <dhopp> andarius: does it throw an error
[18-Jul-2011 12:00:32] <dhopp> ?
[18-Jul-2011 12:01:18] <andarius> dhopp: indeed, I have one but am digging for more. The one I have found so far is "//usr/local/zenoss/bin/python: can't open file 'setup.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory"
[18-Jul-2011 12:03:18] <nyeates> Zenoss Community Alliance people (or anyone) - please take a look here and comment: blogs/zenossblog/2011/07/15/community-portal-access-improvements
[18-Jul-2011 12:03:31] <tsener> gotta go bye guys
[18-Jul-2011 12:03:40] <nyeates> later
[18-Jul-2011 12:04:13] <Hackman238> nyeates: Been busy busy
[18-Jul-2011 12:04:16] <Hackman238> tsener: Later
[18-Jul-2011 12:07:03] <dhopp> nyeates: you nailed a big need in the comment on that blog entry
[18-Jul-2011 12:07:49] <nyeates> yeah *blush*, this is my fault
[18-Jul-2011 12:07:59] <nyeates> ....ZenPack publishing
[18-Jul-2011 12:08:57] <nyeates> do please leave feedback dhopp - we need all the ideas we can get
[18-Jul-2011 12:09:12] <dhopp> I plan on it
[18-Jul-2011 12:15:35] <andarius> In case it may be usefull for anyone who may have an idea, the full log can be found here : http://secretwafflelabs.com/files/zenbuild.log
[18-Jul-2011 12:16:05] <nyeates> heh nice domain name
[18-Jul-2011 12:17:48] <bigegor> Hi all.
[18-Jul-2011 12:19:06] <nyeates> Hi egor
[18-Jul-2011 12:19:37] <nyeates> I think everyone is on vacation
[18-Jul-2011 12:20:14] <bigegor> nyeates: Nick, how about layout change of Zenpacks page? o.e Info nn Main ZenPacks Page [Description, Link to Zenoss ZenPacks, Link to 2.5.x ZenPacks, Link to 3.x ZenPacks, Link to Ent Zenpacks]
[18-Jul-2011 12:22:51] <bigegor> nyeates: on ZenPacks subpages add some sections, like [Hardware, Storage, Databases, etc.]
[18-Jul-2011 12:23:27] <bigegor> something like Catalog
[18-Jul-2011 12:25:04] <JohnnyNOC> one thing someone suggested was a collection of perf templates (without entire zenpacks)
[18-Jul-2011 12:27:04] <nyeates> Interesting, yeah
[18-Jul-2011 12:27:05] <dhopp> JohnnyNOC: But the best way to distribute those would be as a zenpack, wouldn't it?
[18-Jul-2011 12:27:12] <bigegor> nyeates: so Main ZenPacks page can be static, but subpages can be writeble for ZP devs.
[18-Jul-2011 12:27:53] <JohnnyNOC> dhopp i saw a user complaining about having to install an entire zenpack when all he wanted were some perf templates out of it.. which is why i made my suggestion. but i see your argument
[18-Jul-2011 12:27:54] <JohnnyNOC>
[18-Jul-2011 12:29:02] <nyeates> bigegor: we might be divying out some degree of access to you guys, so anything is possible I suppose.
[18-Jul-2011 12:31:47] <uifjlh1> I have a question/suggestion about the graphs ... Can performance graphs be put into "one portlet" ? All my Exchange Servers in one screen for example?
[18-Jul-2011 12:32:03] <dhopp> uifjlh1: yes
[18-Jul-2011 12:32:17] <uifjlh1> k, how ?
[18-Jul-2011 12:32:27] <dhopp> uifjlh1: you can do a custom graph report (or actually I think you would need to do a custom multi graph report)
[18-Jul-2011 12:32:55] <uifjlh1> ohhhh..... OK, new territory... I understand, thank you!
[18-Jul-2011 12:33:45] <uifjlh1> I have 4-5 servers I want to monitor disk space and cpu usage in the same page.
[18-Jul-2011 12:34:16] <dhopp> the custom graph reports should do it…just have to tell it what devices and what graphs from those devices to include
[18-Jul-2011 12:34:44] <nyeates> anyone know of any openBSD templates for zenoss?
[18-Jul-2011 12:35:52] <dhopp> nyeates: I'll try to comment later..I'm currently drawing a blank on what I would like to see the current portal do (with the exception of give me better docs, but I don't think that's the idea you want)
[18-Jul-2011 12:37:14] <Hackman238> Everyone, concerning the ZCA activities, I'm slightly behind. I've recently added R&D facility/equipment aquisition to my active tasks. I'll catch up in a dat or so.
[18-Jul-2011 12:39:51] <JohnnyNOC> equiptment acquisition?
[18-Jul-2011 12:40:21] <JohnnyNOC> for a dev setup i presume eh? didn't see/hear it mentioned previously.
[18-Jul-2011 12:40:49] <uifjlh1> perfect, there are all my CPU graphs in one spot!
[18-Jul-2011 12:56:07] <rmatte> well, the power has been out in our building going on about 17 hours now
[18-Jul-2011 12:56:31] <rmatte> all our monitoring tools are still up in the datacenter though and people can vpn in to work
[18-Jul-2011 12:56:58] <rmatte> sitting in my office right now connected to an access point nearby waiting for the power to come back so that I can fire a bunch of my lab boxes back up
[18-Jul-2011 12:57:20] <rmatte> hopefully won't be much longer
[18-Jul-2011 13:03:34] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: R & D for non fissle fuel based, sub critical, consumer grade reactors.
[18-Jul-2011 13:21:06] <ad4m> i'm not exactly sure what it is called in zenoss terms, but is it possible to use a value discovered when modeling a host in the rpn for a graph point? eg, use the number of processors in a graph point rpn
[18-Jul-2011 13:23:35] <Hackman238> ad4m: This is possible, but I dont know the attribute you'll need to get off hand
[18-Jul-2011 13:25:05] mattray1 is now known as mattray
[18-Jul-2011 13:25:12] <Hackman238> ad4m: For thresholding load adjusted for cpu count you'll need to change the threshold to trigger with, for example, '(here.cpuCount or 1) * 0.75' where cpuCount is an int with the cpu count and 75% is the trigger percent
[18-Jul-2011 13:25:37] <ad4m> Hackman238: excellent, thank you
[18-Jul-2011 13:25:43] <Hackman238> ad4m: I'm not positive what the name of the attribute (cpuCount in my example) is.
[18-Jul-2011 13:25:59] <ad4m> Hackman238: any ideas on where i could find a list of the attributes for a given device?
[18-Jul-2011 13:26:29] <ad4m> i've been searching around and haven't had much luck
[18-Jul-2011 13:26:44] <Hackman238> ad4m: You might even open a dmd session and set d= to a modelled device with more than one cpu and look through the attributes in d.{tab complete) and d.hw.)tab complete)
[18-Jul-2011 13:26:46] <ad4m> i suspect that i'm not using the right zenoss term/name for these sort of attributes
[18-Jul-2011 13:27:14] <Hackman238> d.hw.)tab complete) -> d.hw.{tab complete}
[18-Jul-2011 13:27:29] <ad4m> never used dmd before, i'll check it out
[18-Jul-2011 13:27:38] <Hackman238> for example, as the zenoss user you can issue 'zendmd'
[18-Jul-2011 13:28:02] <Hackman238> When it loads input 'd=dmd.Devices.findDevice('AAA')' where AAA is the name of your device
[18-Jul-2011 13:28:26] <Hackman238> To test if d was found, input 'd.id' and see if it returns the name
[18-Jul-2011 13:28:51] <Hackman238> If it does, you can type d. and press tab a few times to get a list of methods and objects
[18-Jul-2011 13:29:09] <Hackman238> I suspect what you need will be under d. or d.hw.
[18-Jul-2011 13:29:48] <Hackman238> For example, d.hw.totalMemory is a commonly used string attribute holding the total memory of that device
[18-Jul-2011 13:30:09] <ad4m> cool, i'm exploring dmd right now
[18-Jul-2011 13:30:19] <Hackman238> ad4m: Let me know if you need more details.
[18-Jul-2011 13:30:25] <ad4m> thanks a ton, this seems like it will definitely get the information i need
[18-Jul-2011 13:30:36] <Hackman238> ad4m: No sweat.
[18-Jul-2011 13:31:34] <Hackman238> ad4m: You can also test changes in dmd without acctually changing anything. Say you want to write code to test change attributes, you can test it and view the results in dmd. As long as you dont 'commit()', the changes are not saved to zope.
[18-Jul-2011 13:31:52] <Hackman238> ...not saved to zodb, rather
[18-Jul-2011 13:32:08] <ad4m> neat
[18-Jul-2011 13:36:24] <ad4m> can you put python into a graph point rpn?
[18-Jul-2011 13:36:43] <Simon4> nope, it's a rrdtool style RPN
[18-Jul-2011 13:37:26] <rmatte> ad4m: you'd have to create a datapoint that represents that number and use that in the RPN
[18-Jul-2011 13:38:56] <ad4m> ah ok, so how does one do that? i have a value pulled via snmp that i want to combine with a value from zenoss's model of the device
[18-Jul-2011 13:39:38] <Hackman238> ad4m: Yes and no. Easily- no.
[18-Jul-2011 13:39:39] <ad4m> is that the alias section i see under a data point's settings?
[18-Jul-2011 13:39:57] <ad4m> the bit with "ID / FORMULA"
[18-Jul-2011 13:40:32] <Hackman238> ad4m: Technically, yes, if you wanted to define the graph manually and have the point read using {here/var} format
[18-Jul-2011 13:41:13] <Hackman238> ad4m: Are you needing to graph cpu count?
[18-Jul-2011 13:41:18] <ad4m> yes
[18-Jul-2011 13:41:22] <Hackman238> ad4m: Gotcha
[18-Jul-2011 13:41:24] <Hackman238> ad4m: do this
[18-Jul-2011 13:41:28] <ad4m> sorry, i didn't mean to be so abstract
[18-Jul-2011 13:41:48] <Hackman238> ad4m: write a tiny script to get the snmp tree listing all cpu's and pass the result through wc -l
[18-Jul-2011 13:42:08] <Hackman238> ad4m: You can then use a command datasource to run the command and graphs that output number
[18-Jul-2011 13:42:43] <Hackman238> ad4m: Take a look on the forums for information on command datasources. Try to use the nagios style format, it tends to be the most commonly used and easy to use
[18-Jul-2011 13:42:58] <ad4m> ok thanks
[18-Jul-2011 13:43:17] <ad4m> i'm surprised this is so difficult
[18-Jul-2011 13:43:56] <ad4m> well not difficult, but i would have thought i would have been able to use that model information in a data point or graph point directly
[18-Jul-2011 13:44:47] <Hackman238> ad4m: Its possible to graph it directly, but its sort of a workaround.
[18-Jul-2011 13:45:12] <ad4m> what do you mean directly?
[18-Jul-2011 13:45:26] <ad4m> oh, graph the value from the model information directly?
[18-Jul-2011 13:46:04] <Hackman238> ad4m: Its possible to write a graph definition to graph a horizontal bar representing the cpu count on another rrd grpah like cpu load.
[18-Jul-2011 13:46:26] <Hackman238> ad4m: but the count is just graphed, its not stored for history
[18-Jul-2011 13:46:47] <rmatte> sorry, lost my connection there for a minute
[18-Jul-2011 13:46:55] <Hackman238> ad4m: Using a command datasource the value will be put in its own rrd file and stored
[18-Jul-2011 13:47:19] <ad4m> ah i guess that makes sense
[18-Jul-2011 13:47:48] <ad4m> you can only "combine" values from rrds?
[18-Jul-2011 13:48:12] <Hackman238> ad4m: If you dont need to store the history of the cpu count the workaround would be good. If you do need the history, say for a vm that resource balloning is used on often, you'll want to use the command datasource
[18-Jul-2011 13:49:11] <Hackman238> The way the work around works it'll draw a straight line for the currnt value of the variable containing the count of cpus.
[18-Jul-2011 13:49:42] <Hackman238> The way the command datasource works you'll have a normal line graph tracking the value of the cpu count over time
[18-Jul-2011 13:50:16] <Hackman238> So the first is a static render of the value now, the second is a representation of the value as its changed over time.
[18-Jul-2011 13:50:47] <jb> anyone using RRDs created by zenoss to use with network weathermap?
[18-Jul-2011 13:51:01] <jb> i see an old thread in the forums about it, but the link is dead now.
[18-Jul-2011 13:51:08] <Hackman238> jb: I have, but its very tedious
[18-Jul-2011 13:51:14] <jb> really?/
[18-Jul-2011 13:51:17] <jb> whats so bad about it?
[18-Jul-2011 13:51:36] <Hackman238> jb: If your efforts are mngmt driven and will change over time, dont tell them its an option because it'll be unmanageable.
[18-Jul-2011 13:51:53] <jb> nah, its more of a "im bored and want to try to make this work"
[18-Jul-2011 13:52:12] <Hackman238> jb: Ah gotcha. In that case it does indeed work and is pretty nifty
[18-Jul-2011 13:52:28] <Hackman238> jb: Combined with the webpage portlet its pretty cool
[18-Jul-2011 13:52:46] <jb> docs/DOC-2543
[18-Jul-2011 13:53:25] <Hackman238> jb: Yep. It looks like it hasnt evolved in a while.
[18-Jul-2011 13:53:49] <jb> its so simple with cacti :/
[18-Jul-2011 13:54:02] <Hackman238> jb: You shouldnt have any trouble except in cases of distributed collectors (jsut required ahnd crafting minor url changes)
[18-Jul-2011 13:54:13] <jb> yeah.. no distributed collectors here.
[18-Jul-2011 13:54:17] <jb> on this instance, at least.
[18-Jul-2011 13:54:47] <Hackman238> jb: Gotcha. it should work pretty much as documented, but if I recall correctly, there isnt any UI for crafting the layout. Its all very manual.
[18-Jul-2011 13:54:56] <jb> nah there is a GUI.
[18-Jul-2011 13:55:01] <jb> it comes packaged with weathermap.
[18-Jul-2011 13:55:03] <jb> it's web based.
[18-Jul-2011 13:55:15] <jb> want to see it?
[18-Jul-2011 13:55:18] <Hackman238> jb: Interesting, I'd never seen it.
[18-Jul-2011 13:55:22] <Hackman238> jb: Absolutely
[18-Jul-2011 13:56:43] <Hackman238> jb: Very cool. Let me know if you run in to problems getting the convert script to work.
[18-Jul-2011 13:56:50] <jb> cool, checking it out now.
[18-Jul-2011 14:08:58] <jb> Hackman238: hrm, where is the actual interface name defined?
[18-Jul-2011 14:09:16] <jb> the datasource in zenoss..
[18-Jul-2011 14:09:39] <jb> oh
[18-Jul-2011 14:09:44] <jb> TARGET static:<%rrd(device name,component name,datasource name,RPN)%>:<%rrd(device name,component name,data source name,RPN)%>
[18-Jul-2011 14:09:44] <jb> #TARGET defines what labels on link will show - usually we want bandwidth.
[18-Jul-2011 14:09:44] <jb> #component names should be in the form os/interfaces/port_name
[18-Jul-2011 14:09:45] <jb> #and datasource name - ifOutOctets or smth like this
[18-Jul-2011 14:10:59] <jb> hhmm
[18-Jul-2011 14:11:05] <Simon4> jb: http://pastie.org/2232935
[18-Jul-2011 14:11:08] <Simon4> is how we've done it
[18-Jul-2011 14:11:26] <jb> ah, so you didn't use this script?
[18-Jul-2011 14:11:34] * Simon4 has a few simple weathermaps defined that management love
[18-Jul-2011 14:11:37] <Simon4> nope
[18-Jul-2011 14:11:45] <dhopp> Hackman238: for your larger installations..are you using ext3 for the mysql database volumes?
[18-Jul-2011 14:12:07] <Simon4> I just dealt with the pain to set it up manually since I was just doing management fluff overview ones
[18-Jul-2011 14:14:12] <jb> so you are defining two TARGET's on that example?
[18-Jul-2011 14:14:35] <jb> ie, for one LINK, do you need to define interfaces from both devices that make up the link?
[18-Jul-2011 14:14:35] <Simon4> I'm defining the inwards bandwidth and the outwards bandwidth
[18-Jul-2011 14:14:45] <Simon4> nope, just from one end
[18-Jul-2011 14:15:09] <jb> gotcha.
[18-Jul-2011 14:15:56] <Simon4> you can also get it to aggregate bw across two links, say for a portchannel - just define more rrd files in the TARGET section - the position of the "-" around the ds0 is what makes it inbound or outbound
[18-Jul-2011 14:16:23] <Simon4> portchannel possibly bad example, but ya know - HSRP pairs, whatnot
[18-Jul-2011 14:18:30] <jb> oh nice
[18-Jul-2011 14:18:32] <jb> OUTOVERLIBGRAPH
[18-Jul-2011 14:18:35] <jb> do you use that?
[18-Jul-2011 14:20:02] <Simon4> um, nope
[18-Jul-2011 14:20:08] <Simon4> not sure what that Is
[18-Jul-2011 14:20:13] <jb> it will display the actual RRD from zenoss
[18-Jul-2011 14:20:15] <jb> when you mouseover
[18-Jul-2011 14:20:20] <Simon4> ah cute
[18-Jul-2011 14:22:53] <jb> this script is doing anything.
[18-Jul-2011 14:23:01] <jb> no output whatsoever :/
[18-Jul-2011 14:23:07] <jb> Hackman238: this is the script that you used?
[18-Jul-2011 14:23:40] <Hackman238> jb: I believe so
[18-Jul-2011 14:24:06] <jb> so you just pasted your NODE's and LINK's in a file and did ./convert.pl sourcefile > map.conf or so?
[18-Jul-2011 14:24:12] <jb> where sourcefile contains the NODE's and LINK's?
[18-Jul-2011 14:25:51] <Hackman238> jb: message/51589#51589
[18-Jul-2011 14:26:09] <Hackman238> jb: Theres a post of a copy of the script after I'd tweaked it
[18-Jul-2011 14:26:48] <jb> you mean docs/DOC-2543 ?
[18-Jul-2011 14:26:50] <Hackman238> jb: Also has an example for getting errors.src
[18-Jul-2011 14:27:41] <Hackman238> jb: No, message/51589
[18-Jul-2011 14:27:50] <jb> ahh got it.
[18-Jul-2011 14:27:53] <Hackman238> jb: Look for 'ShaneScott'
[18-Jul-2011 14:28:12] <Hackman238> jb: I think that tweaked script handled multiple collectors. I cant recall for sure.
[18-Jul-2011 14:28:24] <Hackman238> jb: But the better part is the example src file.
[18-Jul-2011 14:29:19] <Hackman238> jb: 'Y1106S1' and so on are the device names in zenoss
[18-Jul-2011 14:29:35] <jb> got it
[18-Jul-2011 14:29:45] <Hackman238> jb: Keep me posted
[18-Jul-2011 14:30:22] <Hackman238> jb: In the meantime, this is funny: http://i.imgur.com/FOzee.jpg
[18-Jul-2011 14:30:34] <jb> haha
[18-Jul-2011 14:30:41] <Hackman238> jb: Dont ask...showed up in the backbone_fun channel
[18-Jul-2011 14:31:38] <rocket> i fscking hate puppet .. !
[18-Jul-2011 14:31:47] <jb> my puppet skillset is becoming rusty.
[18-Jul-2011 14:31:58] <jb> i did just implement a new puppetmaster using storeconfigs tho :/
[18-Jul-2011 14:31:58] <rocket> facter loads all my facts .. but puppet is only loading 4 of 5
[18-Jul-2011 14:32:17] <jb> Hackman238: so the errors.src example is what you fed the script, or what the script spit back out?
[18-Jul-2011 14:33:04] <Hackman238> rocket: fsck -f -y
[18-Jul-2011 14:33:12] <Hackman238> rocket: And close eyes
[18-Jul-2011 14:33:28] <Hackman238> jb: Its the source to feed the script
[18-Jul-2011 14:33:35] <jb> ok
[18-Jul-2011 14:33:39] <Hackman238> jb: wait...let me douvble check
[18-Jul-2011 14:35:36] <Hackman238> jb: ok yeah, feed that to the convert script. I'll go through and zenossify all the links and output to another file. That file can be fed to the weathermap script to gen the map
[18-Jul-2011 14:35:46] <Hackman238> *It'll
[18-Jul-2011 14:37:30] <jb> k
[18-Jul-2011 14:38:37] <jb> hrm, when I run it.. it just sits there.
[18-Jul-2011 14:38:45] <jb> and doesn't actually do anything
[18-Jul-2011 14:39:30] <jb> it writes the non-template stuff
[18-Jul-2011 14:39:39] <jb> almost, like it can't connect to zen?
[18-Jul-2011 14:39:45] <Hackman238> jb: Hum. Sounds like it.
[18-Jul-2011 14:40:26] <Hackman238> jb: Ah yeah, right at the begin of the scvript define zenoss ip
[18-Jul-2011 14:40:32] <Hackman238> jb: Port also
[18-Jul-2011 14:40:46] <jb> yep, got that.
[18-Jul-2011 14:40:47] <Hackman238> jb: and if the admin password isnt zenoss, define the password for admin
[18-Jul-2011 14:41:02] <jb> yeah, i wonder if its because my password has wierd non-alpha characters.
[18-Jul-2011 14:41:57] <jb> hm, nope.
[18-Jul-2011 14:42:39] <Hackman238> jb: Hum
[18-Jul-2011 14:42:43] <Hackman238> jb: Zenoss 3?
[18-Jul-2011 14:42:48] <jb> Hackman238: yup.
[18-Jul-2011 14:43:10] <Hackman238> jb: I dont know if the calls its using work with 3
[18-Jul-2011 14:43:32] <Hackman238> jb: I did it for 2.5. Try tossing some print statements in to see where its holding up.
[18-Jul-2011 14:44:34] <jb> hrm, wonder if there is an easy way to get the URL it's trying to access.
[18-Jul-2011 14:45:36] <Hackman238> jb: You could convert it to python and use zenscriptbase to open a dmd session
[18-Jul-2011 14:46:04] <Hackman238> jb: It would be much faster, less strain on zope, and less mess (perl)
[18-Jul-2011 14:46:26] <jb> yeah, i don't know perl at all.
[18-Jul-2011 14:46:32] <jb> and not enough python
[18-Jul-2011 14:48:12] <Hackman238> jb: Ah gotcha
[18-Jul-2011 14:48:22] <jb> i guess I could just try doing it like Simon4 does.
[18-Jul-2011 14:48:33] <Hackman238> jb: Couldnt hurt
[18-Jul-2011 14:58:24] <jb> Simon4: still here/
[18-Jul-2011 14:58:26] <jb> ?
[18-Jul-2011 14:58:50] <jb> Hackman238: you wouldn't happen to have a snippet of what your script actually generated, would you?
[18-Jul-2011 14:59:44] <Hackman238> jb: I dont, but basically it would fill in the <<% %>> lines with variables which were just URLs
[18-Jul-2011 15:01:38] <jb> ..oss/perf/Devices/be-rtr0-vip.back.mgmtfoo/os/interfaces/reth1.0/ifHCOutOctets_ifHCOutOctets.rrd:-:ds0
[18-Jul-2011 15:01:43] <jb> just wondering what the :ds0 is.
[18-Jul-2011 15:02:06] <Hackman238> jb: datasource 0
[18-Jul-2011 15:08:26] <willwh> /j lullabuddies
[18-Jul-2011 15:08:30] <willwh> wups
[18-Jul-2011 15:08:58] <jb> well, i guess it works
[18-Jul-2011 15:13:27] <jb> just need to figure out how to display mbit and not percentages
[18-Jul-2011 15:17:16] <jb> BWlabel.. there we go.
[18-Jul-2011 15:22:27] <Hackman238> jb: Glad its working for ya
[18-Jul-2011 17:16:55] <Hackman238> Later all
[18-Jul-2011 17:17:17] <klone> adios
[18-Jul-2011 21:13:26] <echosystm> how does device discovery work in zenoss?
[18-Jul-2011 21:14:19] <echosystm> our network is completely cisco, except for things like aircon/power dist/UPS etc.
[18-Jul-2011 21:14:53] <echosystm> how can one extend zenoss to be able to detect those devices?
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[19-Jul-2011 03:50:58] <tsener> hello
[19-Jul-2011 03:57:00] <tsener> got a funny question regarding SNMP and thresholds
[19-Jul-2011 03:58:06] <Simon4> morning
[19-Jul-2011 03:59:11] <tsener> morning
[19-Jul-2011 04:09:55] <fragfutter> writing java code again is so strange. Lots of variable declarations and typecasts and i always forget the ;
[19-Jul-2011 04:14:24] <tsener> does anyone knows what is the use of StatusThreshold ?
[19-Jul-2011 04:14:47] <tsener> can I actually trigger something based on a string from SNMP without wrapping it in an external script ?
[19-Jul-2011 04:15:16] <Simon4> tsener: as far as I know the zenoss snmp engine only works on numeric values
[19-Jul-2011 04:16:00] <Simon4> so you'll need to wrap it in a script that snmpgets/compares/outputs in nagios format or similar
[19-Jul-2011 04:17:45] <tsener> and how would I pass details to the script
[19-Jul-2011 04:17:52] <tsener> I mean i use snmp v3
[19-Jul-2011 04:18:14] <tsener> how would I pass user, community, pass to the script from zenoss without hardcoding them in the script ?
[19-Jul-2011 04:19:10] <fragfutter> here.zSnmpCommunity
[19-Jul-2011 04:21:07] <tsener> hmm
[19-Jul-2011 04:21:30] <tsener> or should I parse them as arguments like "${dev/zSnmpCommunity}" and then assigning them to vars in the script
[19-Jul-2011 04:22:09] <fragfutter> tsener: that was the idea
[19-Jul-2011 04:22:54] <fragfutter> i always forget which template language at which point can be used in zenoss. guess ${dev} is the right one.
[19-Jul-2011 04:33:07] <tsener> so far so good ..
[19-Jul-2011 04:33:23] <tsener> I have this: OUTPUT=`snmpwalk -v3 -l authPriv -x DES -a MD5 -A $(($ZPASS)) -X $(($ZPASS)) -u $(($ZUSER)) -c public $(($ZHOST)) 1.3.6.1.4.1.8072.1.3.2.3.1.2.11.112.101 |cut -c 37-256`
[19-Jul-2011 04:33:54] <tsener> problem is, I use special characters like @ in passwords, and bash doesnt seem to like that
[19-Jul-2011 04:50:24] <tsener> hmm
[19-Jul-2011 04:50:35] <tsener> and what variable should contain the device hostname ?
[19-Jul-2011 04:50:50] <tsener> or IP for that matter
[19-Jul-2011 04:51:28] <tsener> ahh think I found it - "${dev/manageIp}"
[19-Jul-2011 04:52:42] <Simon4> that's the one
[19-Jul-2011 05:12:47] <tsener> hmm
[19-Jul-2011 05:13:18] <tsener> and how would I set the returning type as INT and not STRING in netsnmpd.conf
[19-Jul-2011 05:13:28] <tsener> I use extend
[19-Jul-2011 06:29:26] <fragfutter> tsener: you can't.
[19-Jul-2011 09:29:11] <notsquig> any idea where I might look for logs about sending alerts
[19-Jul-2011 09:29:34] <JohnnyNOC> $ZENHOME/log/zenactions.log
[19-Jul-2011 09:29:41] <notsquig> tar
[19-Jul-2011 09:30:15] <JohnnyNOC> i normally tail that to keep an eye on who's being emailed what
[19-Jul-2011 09:31:28] <notsquig> aah that deamon had crashed
[19-Jul-2011 09:31:38] <notsquig> now i need a zenoss to monitor my zenoss
[19-Jul-2011 09:33:00] <JohnnyNOC>
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[19-Jul-2011 09:47:30] <notsquig> now could some one tell me how to make the "threshold of high utilization exceeded" have a lower level (or can i turn them off)
[19-Jul-2011 09:48:06] <JohnnyNOC> thats pretty basic you should be reading some docs that describe how thats done
[19-Jul-2011 09:49:00] <JohnnyNOC> but to answer your question, look at one of these interfaces and find the template
[19-Jul-2011 09:49:12] <JohnnyNOC> like ethernetCsmacd, ethernetCsmacd_64
[19-Jul-2011 09:49:44] <JohnnyNOC> and in there you'll find a "high utilization" threshold which you can adjust or even disable if you'd like
[19-Jul-2011 09:50:05] <Evolution> has anyone tried rebuilding the 3.1.0 src.rpm on rhel5/centos5 recently?
[19-Jul-2011 09:50:27] <Evolution> it seems to have a glitch where it won't build as a non-root user...
[19-Jul-2011 09:51:13] <Evolution> it keeps trying to create /opt/zenoss despite appearing to point to the buildroot.
[19-Jul-2011 09:54:55] <notsquig> JohnnyNOC, can you tell me which doc i should be reading to find that information?
[19-Jul-2011 09:55:18] <JohnnyNOC> notsquig start with the Zenoss Administration Guide
[19-Jul-2011 09:55:30] <JohnnyNOC> for whatever version of Zenoss you are running (2.x vs 3.x)
[19-Jul-2011 09:56:59] <notsquig> I just read that one and couldnt find what i was looking for in it.
[19-Jul-2011 09:58:09] <JohnnyNOC> it's cool
[19-Jul-2011 09:58:37] <notsquig> im guessing the problem im having is that i dont know what im looking for
[19-Jul-2011 09:58:45] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*
[19-Jul-2011 09:58:48] <notsquig> still need to fully groc zenoss
[19-Jul-2011 09:58:50] <JohnnyNOC> i still have that problem myself
[19-Jul-2011 09:59:58] <notsquig> I was hoping there was a way to monitor a service
[19-Jul-2011 10:00:10] <JohnnyNOC> there is
[19-Jul-2011 10:00:32] <JohnnyNOC> you can monitor a port that's listening, or a process that's running
[19-Jul-2011 10:00:38] <notsquig> so i have these ip services and when i click on one and go to the action i can lock it but not monitor it
[19-Jul-2011 10:01:03] <klone> notsquig - what version?
[19-Jul-2011 10:01:04] <JohnnyNOC> those work funny
[19-Jul-2011 10:01:18] <notsquig> aah
[19-Jul-2011 10:01:25] <notsquig> yes i need to click differently
[19-Jul-2011 10:01:45] <JohnnyNOC> but basically you want to make sure the ip service has been added. the service is running. then model the device so it sees the ip service is up and monitors it
[19-Jul-2011 10:02:01] <JohnnyNOC> then lock it
[19-Jul-2011 10:02:48] <dhopp> notsquig: that's a known bug and there is a patch for it
[19-Jul-2011 10:03:49] <notsquig> i can wait until 3.1+ comes out now i know how to work around it
[19-Jul-2011 10:04:34] <notsquig> when you dont know what your doing its hard to tell whats a bug and whats thats by design
[19-Jul-2011 10:05:09] <dhopp> notsquig: agreed..I just know it's a bug because we talked about it in here a few months ago...
[19-Jul-2011 10:05:19] <dhopp> let me see if I can find the patch
[19-Jul-2011 10:05:29] <notsquig> its ok, i will wait it out
[19-Jul-2011 10:06:07] <dhopp> it's super easy to apply...
[19-Jul-2011 10:06:10] <notsquig> ok
[19-Jul-2011 10:06:14] <notsquig> hit me
[19-Jul-2011 10:06:29] <dhopp> hold on a sec..verifying I got the right one..
[19-Jul-2011 10:06:49] <notsquig> i guess what concerns me mostely (and probably only)
[19-Jul-2011 10:06:54] <notsquig> I have a new linux nfs file server
[19-Jul-2011 10:07:05] <notsquig> and I find its bits per second graphs has holes in it
[19-Jul-2011 10:07:15] <notsquig> and its space on disk graph is broken
[19-Jul-2011 10:07:28] <notsquig> showing 2.39 TB used instead of 8TB
[19-Jul-2011 10:08:44] <dhopp> notsquig: what version of zenoss are you running?
[19-Jul-2011 10:08:50] <notsquig> on the interface side it has 64 bit counters
[19-Jul-2011 10:08:53] <notsquig> 3.1
[19-Jul-2011 10:09:51] <dhopp> notsquig: ok..to fix not being able to change the monitoring status of a service you should be able as the zenoss user do: zenpatch 25791 and restart zenoss
[19-Jul-2011 10:09:52] <dhopp> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/7842
[19-Jul-2011 10:10:09] <notsquig> oh zenpatch is a nice command
[19-Jul-2011 10:10:53] <dhopp> now..why your graphs are wrong..I'm not sure..that patch probably won't fix that
[19-Jul-2011 10:11:10] <notsquig> I have about 100 devices
[19-Jul-2011 10:11:17] <notsquig> and its the only one where this happens
[19-Jul-2011 10:11:26] <notsquig> (and my most important device)
[19-Jul-2011 10:12:46] <notsquig> is 3.1.1 released?
[19-Jul-2011 10:12:54] <dhopp> no...
[19-Jul-2011 10:13:07] <dhopp> I believe the next release will actually be 3.2 and will be in August sometime (or so they say)
[19-Jul-2011 10:14:07] <dhopp> brb
[19-Jul-2011 10:18:10] <notsquig> which log would i find errors about collecting data?
[19-Jul-2011 10:22:21] <JohnnyNOC> depends, but probably zenperfsnmp
[19-Jul-2011 10:22:24] <JohnnyNOC> .log
[19-Jul-2011 10:26:11] <notsquig> thank you
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[19-Jul-2011 11:10:36] <notsquig> I have un monitored file systems, should I expect that there would be events generated on them?
[19-Jul-2011 11:11:12] <notsquig> IE I just recieved an alert about 156% disk usage on an un monitored file system
[19-Jul-2011 11:22:27] <tsener> lol
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[19-Jul-2011 11:25:49] <marklap> I'm getting a ConflictError when trying to view Users (/zport/dmd/ZenUsers/manageUserFolder). Any thoughts on a resolution? Not having any luck searching Google/Zenoss/Zope2/ZODB ticket tracking.
[19-Jul-2011 11:26:17] <marklap> Zenoss 3.0.3
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[19-Jul-2011 11:41:34] <jmp242> hi all
[19-Jul-2011 11:48:46] <JohnnyNOC> good afternoon jmp242
[19-Jul-2011 11:49:19] <jmp242> not quite afternoon here
[19-Jul-2011 11:49:21] <jmp242> but yes
[19-Jul-2011 11:50:00] <jmp242> I've gotten my basic logstash instance up and running and accepting OSSEC input via syslog, so I have a future proof webUI for log searching YAY
[19-Jul-2011 11:50:28] <jmp242> and I think I'm some windows scripting away from being able to deploy the agents in an automated way!
[19-Jul-2011 11:50:39] <jmp242> so only took a week and several false starts, but yay
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[19-Jul-2011 12:03:06] <JohnnyNOC> sounds like quite the achievement
[19-Jul-2011 12:03:06] <JohnnyNOC>
[19-Jul-2011 12:14:10] <JohnnyNOC> anyone know what the equivalient to ${dev/manageIp} is to get the snmp community string? is this what they call TALES expressions? i looked at some and didn't see anything to help get the community string
[19-Jul-2011 12:14:22] <JohnnyNOC> i have a custom check i'm trying to setup and would rather not hard code the community string in there
[19-Jul-2011 12:14:28] <Simon4> dev/zSnmpCommunity ?
[19-Jul-2011 12:14:48] <JohnnyNOC> is that a wild gues?
[19-Jul-2011 12:14:49] <JohnnyNOC>
[19-Jul-2011 12:15:03] <JohnnyNOC> i'll give it a shot tho
[19-Jul-2011 12:15:30] <Simon4> it's something like that
[19-Jul-2011 12:15:38] <Simon4> possibly capitalisation is different
[19-Jul-2011 12:15:45] <Simon4> but it's what you see under config settings (or zproperties)
[19-Jul-2011 12:21:00] <JohnnyNOC> nice, thanks for the tip.
[19-Jul-2011 12:27:02] <JohnnyNOC> another question
[19-Jul-2011 12:27:50] <JohnnyNOC> i setup a command datasource check which i thought would run from the separate physical collector machine it's set to use, however it looks like the check is running from our primary zenoss server (with mysql and zope)
[19-Jul-2011 12:27:54] <JohnnyNOC> any ideas why?
[19-Jul-2011 12:29:57] <klone> JohnnyNOC - is this during a normal polling interval, or when you use the 'test' button?
[19-Jul-2011 12:30:09] <JohnnyNOC> the test button
[19-Jul-2011 12:31:04] <klone> yeah, that test actually runs locally. if you fire off zencommand on the collector you'll see that it's issuing the command via the collector as expected
[19-Jul-2011 12:32:18] <JohnnyNOC> ok. i'll have a look. thanks for the info.
[19-Jul-2011 12:32:28] <klone> np
[19-Jul-2011 12:33:48] <JohnnyNOC> that tidbit of info is going to prevent me from looking like an ass
[19-Jul-2011 12:33:49] <JohnnyNOC>
[19-Jul-2011 12:34:07] <klone> JohnnyNOC - hah! well, glad i could help
[19-Jul-2011 12:36:05] <JohnnyNOC> so i ran zencommand by hand and it does look to be running from the collector but i didn't see any mention of the custom check i just setup
[19-Jul-2011 12:36:24] <JohnnyNOC> that sign of a problem? i'm just going to tail zencommand log over the next 5 mins and look for an entry
[19-Jul-2011 12:36:48] <simonjj> what happens if you run zencommand run -v10 -d ID_OF_YOUR_DEVICE
[19-Jul-2011 12:37:16] <JohnnyNOC> simonjj thats what i ran.. as i said, it looks like everything is cool but i didn't see anything mention my specific check
[19-Jul-2011 12:37:40] <simonjj> but other checks on that box run fine?
[19-Jul-2011 12:37:51] <simonjj> meaning other checks against that device
[19-Jul-2011 12:38:00] <simonjj> or do you only have that one custom one
[19-Jul-2011 12:38:03] <JohnnyNOC> unfortunately this is the only one
[19-Jul-2011 12:38:03] <JohnnyNOC> heh
[19-Jul-2011 12:38:06] <JohnnyNOC> just this one
[19-Jul-2011 12:38:16] <JohnnyNOC> trying to setup basic monitoring of some IBM servers through the IMM
[19-Jul-2011 12:38:30] <simonjj> ahhh, did you check to make sure you actually assigned this device to your collector ?
[19-Jul-2011 12:38:42] <JohnnyNOC> simonjj yes it is.
[19-Jul-2011 12:40:24] <simonjj> hmmm, just for fun, add a SNMP data source to that thing too (doesn't have to be valid) and then run zenperfsnmp run -v10 -d DEVICE_ID and see if zenperfsnmp picks it up
[19-Jul-2011 12:40:26] <JohnnyNOC> not sure if i'm just being impatient but it doesn't appear to be running
[19-Jul-2011 12:40:32] <JohnnyNOC> gotcha
[19-Jul-2011 12:41:34] <simonjj> no, this should be picked up right away if you use zencommand run
[19-Jul-2011 12:42:16] <JohnnyNOC> hrm
[19-Jul-2011 12:42:17] <JohnnyNOC> no love
[19-Jul-2011 12:42:29] <JohnnyNOC> 2011-07-19 11:41:35,791 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: Successes: 0 Failures: 0 Not reporting: 0
[19-Jul-2011 12:42:45] <simonjj> k, something is f..ed then
[19-Jul-2011 12:43:03] <JohnnyNOC> grr
[19-Jul-2011 12:43:03] <simonjj> hold on 2min
[19-Jul-2011 12:45:45] <simonjj> "YOUR_DEVICE_ID" in [d.titleOrId() for d in dmd.Monitors.getPerformanceMonitor("YOUR_COLLECTOR_ID").devices()]
[19-Jul-2011 12:45:48] <simonjj> try this one
[19-Jul-2011 12:45:49] <JohnnyNOC> it's collecting basic device stuff just fine
[19-Jul-2011 12:46:09] <simonjj> FYI, this is zendmd code
[19-Jul-2011 12:46:13] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*
[19-Jul-2011 12:46:16] <JohnnyNOC> firing it up now
[19-Jul-2011 12:46:59] <JohnnyNOC> just returned False
[19-Jul-2011 12:47:10] <simonjj> k, that's not a good sign
[19-Jul-2011 12:47:13] <JohnnyNOC> heh
[19-Jul-2011 12:47:18] <JohnnyNOC> damn, i JUST added this device like an hour ago
[19-Jul-2011 12:47:31] <simonjj> what if you just enter [d.titleOrId() for d in dmd.Monitors.getPerformanceMonitor("YOUR_COLLECTOR").devices()]
[19-Jul-2011 12:47:53] <simonjj> you should get an array with the devices ids assigned to YOUR_COLLECTOR
[19-Jul-2011 12:48:03] <JohnnyNOC> tried moving it to the other collector (5 min, but on the same box) same result
[19-Jul-2011 12:48:29] <JohnnyNOC> i see it in the list when i click collectors on the left hand side (v 2.5.2)
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[20-Jul-2011 03:04:31] <zykes-> when i try to go to the infrastructure page the thing just "hangs" and doesn't give any response, this normal ?
[20-Jul-2011 03:04:38] <zykes-> also the webinterface seems to be jerky
[20-Jul-2011 03:04:55] <fragfutter> zykes-: sounds like your server is overloaded
[20-Jul-2011 03:05:07] <zykes-> fragfutter: .. there's like 0.5 in load
[20-Jul-2011 03:05:34] <fragfutter> zykes-: the infrastructure tab loads an ajax from the server and waits for it. as long as it doesn't get a reply it displays the spinning loading icon.
[20-Jul-2011 03:06:16] <zykes-> i know, but why doesn't the zope thing return any data then :/
[20-Jul-2011 03:06:20] <fragfutter> zykes-: could also be io-load (on the server) or cpu load on the client
[20-Jul-2011 03:06:41] <zykes-> there's no load on either end...
[20-Jul-2011 03:08:07] <zykes-> and now i don't get the login page even
[20-Jul-2011 03:14:26] <zykes-> clues fragfutter ?
[20-Jul-2011 03:15:28] <fragfutter> check cpu load (both ends), io load, running services, network listeners, process list
[20-Jul-2011 03:15:55] <zykes-> i booted the machine, now it's working fine again..
[20-Jul-2011 03:16:02] <zykes-> will check next time it fucks up
[20-Jul-2011 03:16:20] <fragfutter> seriously why do you ask when you are just rebooting.
[20-Jul-2011 03:17:54] <zykes-> hmm
[20-Jul-2011 03:18:00] <zykes-> "OSError: [Errno 24] Too many open files" maybe that's the critter ?
[20-Jul-2011 03:56:58] <hmp> i have a problem with changing the zLinks property from zendmd
[20-Jul-2011 03:57:07] <hmp> if i run for d in dmd.Devices.getSub...
[20-Jul-2011 03:57:14] <hmp> print d.zLinks
[20-Jul-2011 03:57:18] <hmp> they print out fine
[20-Jul-2011 03:57:24] <hmp> but I cant see them from gui
[20-Jul-2011 03:57:34] <hmp> and yes, i commited
[20-Jul-2011 03:58:42] <hmp> i changed them with d.zLinks = "...", is that the right way?
[20-Jul-2011 04:03:27] <hmp> and even the device where i set those from GUI dont show up in Links section
[20-Jul-2011 04:03:37] <hmp> on the overview tab
[20-Jul-2011 04:18:52] <hmp> it automagically started working, except from GUI in config properties tab, the zLinks is still set to old value
[20-Jul-2011 04:25:09] <fragfutter> hmp: you should use d.setZenProperty("zLinks", "...")
[20-Jul-2011 04:25:23] <fragfutter> hmp: otherwise some caches and stuff might not get updated
[20-Jul-2011 04:27:46] <hmp> fragfutter: thx
[20-Jul-2011 04:29:07] <hmp> BadRequest: The property zLinks does not exist
[20-Jul-2011 08:50:43] <dhopp> Hackman238: you around?
[20-Jul-2011 08:50:52] <dhopp> or rmatte?
[20-Jul-2011 09:25:49] <Hackman238> Hey all
[20-Jul-2011 09:25:56] <Hackman238> Sorry havent been around, been sick
[20-Jul-2011 09:26:24] <dhopp> Hackman238: your fired
[20-Jul-2011 09:26:25] <dhopp> heh
[20-Jul-2011 09:26:38] <dhopp> Hackman238: I have a quick question...
[20-Jul-2011 09:27:15] <dhopp> Hackman238: I'm building some monitoring templates and will include them in a zenpack. The zenpack will have nothing else special to it, but doing this to make it easier to move changes between dev/test and production
[20-Jul-2011 09:28:03] <Hackman238> dhopp: LOL
[20-Jul-2011 09:28:16] <Hackman238> dhopp: Alrighty
[20-Jul-2011 09:29:10] <dhopp> Hackman238: The templates are to monitor instances of tomcat and I have a template working but I don't want to manually setup second/third/fourth instance of tomcat, so I created a zenpack, added the tomcat01 template to it, then modified object.xml file to include the <object> section multiple times and changing all occurrences of Tomcat01 to Tomcat02 in the new section…that should work right? It seems to but I want to make sure I'm not missing something o
[20-Jul-2011 09:32:11] <Hackman238> dhopp: Should work long as you didnt mess up any xml
[20-Jul-2011 09:39:45] <dhopp> Hackman238: I exported the zenpack and installed it on another instance of zenoss and it installed and both templates are there...
[20-Jul-2011 09:40:18] <Hackman238> dhopp: Good sign
[20-Jul-2011 09:42:24] <dhopp> Hackman238: can you include custom schemas in a zenpack? don't seem to be able to do it through the UI
[20-Jul-2011 09:43:44] <Hackman238> dhopp: You can, but you cant include custom schema items in the objects.xml as far as I know.
[20-Jul-2011 09:44:12] <dhopp> Hackman238: so I assume this means some writing of python code?
[20-Jul-2011 09:44:18] <Evolution> So, by default on a Zenoss install the initial collector is named 'localhost'. Can this be changed/modified ? In the Advanced -> Collectors tab none of the menus seem allow me to modify the collector name
[20-Jul-2011 09:44:27] <Evolution> is there some doco on doing this?
[20-Jul-2011 09:44:57] <Hackman238> Evolution: It can be done, but not easily. I dont reccomend it.
[20-Jul-2011 09:45:37] <Evolution> Hackman238: why should the collector not have a FQDN entry?
[20-Jul-2011 09:46:23] <Hackman238> Evolution: For a few reasons, the main being some of the daemons bind to 127.0.0.1
[20-Jul-2011 09:47:51] <Evolution> okay, so will this impact having a master -> mutli-collector setup?
[20-Jul-2011 09:48:04] <Evolution> each collector will report to localhost, but have an FQDN entery for the master?
[20-Jul-2011 09:48:34] <Hackman238> Evolution: Not at all. The local collector will always be localhost. The name of the machine the remotes point to will be the fqdn
[20-Jul-2011 09:49:03] <Evolution> okay cool
[20-Jul-2011 09:49:13] <Hackman238> Evolution: GL
[20-Jul-2011 09:49:15] <Evolution> thanks.
[20-Jul-2011 09:49:58] <Evolution> last question, is there a method to programatically delete a monitored machine like there is to add a machine?
[20-Jul-2011 09:50:23] <Evolution> I'm basically having my linux servers register themselves with the collector as the last step of their automated installation.
[20-Jul-2011 09:50:49] <Evolution> if a machine gets rebuilt, I'd like it to delete the existing entry and all data... then add itself in as a brand new entry
[20-Jul-2011 09:51:11] <Evolution> basically I'm looking for the opposite of this -> docs/DOC-2353
[20-Jul-2011 09:52:05] <Hackman238> Evolution: You can do that using a dmd call or a rest call, but I dont know what it is. Try .deleteDevice.
[20-Jul-2011 09:52:28] <Evolution> thanks. I'll poke at it
[20-Jul-2011 09:52:37] <klone> Evolution - yeah, you can do that via REST if you wanted to
[20-Jul-2011 09:52:48] <Hackman238> Evolution: rocket may be able to give you a better idea if thats implemented in the rest api or xmlrpc
[20-Jul-2011 09:53:30] <klone> wget --auth-no-challenge ' http://user:password@ZENOSS_SERVER:8080/zport/dmd/Devices/Server/Linux/devices/TEST-DEVICE/deleteDevice'
[20-Jul-2011 09:53:41] <JohnnyNOC> anyone here using the WMIPerf and DellMon/HPMon Zenpacks?
[20-Jul-2011 09:53:45] <Evolution> klone: at this point it's looking slightly easier to do it via a python script, with db info, as the server doesn't always know everything about itself.
[20-Jul-2011 09:53:57] <Evolution> so I'm moving away from REST and into xmlrpc.
[20-Jul-2011 09:54:21] <klone> what do you mean?
[20-Jul-2011 09:55:24] <Evolution> the clients I'm kickstarting are to be monitored, but I can't trust the data I get from them other than the ip address when they're building.
[20-Jul-2011 09:55:46] <klone> ah
[20-Jul-2011 09:55:59] <Evolution> the kickstart server generates their information from a database, so I'm adding zenoss to the kickstart server, and using the info in the db about the machine to populate zenoss.
[20-Jul-2011 09:57:09] <Evolution> so basically I'm going to iterate through the db to do the initial population, and then park my script at the end of the kickstart server's task list for completion.
[20-Jul-2011 09:58:07] <Evolution> they have kind of a complex system here that had 0 monitoring built into it
[20-Jul-2011 09:58:24] <Evolution> so I'm testing out a few products to see what works. so far zenoss seems to fit
[20-Jul-2011 10:10:07] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk
[20-Jul-2011 10:10:56] <Guest94635> Morning!
[20-Jul-2011 10:11:03] <Guest94635> is anyone up for a problem i am having?
[20-Jul-2011 10:13:40] <klone> sure
[20-Jul-2011 10:14:11] <Hackman238> Guest94635: Hi Guest94635. Fire away
[20-Jul-2011 10:16:38] <Guest94635> i have 3.1.0 installed. I am using zenoss to ping :81, :8001, :8002 that i created in IPservice and added to the devices. Under 'enable monitoring) i have it set to inherit value YES from ip service and "inherit value "critical" from ipservice. On the service page (same) under name=tcp_81 description:81 port:81 send string is empty expect regex is empty and service keys:tcp_00081
[20-Jul-2011 10:17:11] <Guest94635> when i turn off :81 on a device, i never get a alert or does the status change. I have a 2.5 running on the same network that can see :81 turn off and send a email alert
[20-Jul-2011 10:19:00] <klone> Guest94635 - were those ip services auto created during the initial modeling of the device or did you add those manually?
[20-Jul-2011 10:19:26] <Guest94635> i removed every single ipservice then added my own which is :81, :8001, :8002, :8080
[20-Jul-2011 10:22:16] <klone> that may be the problem, 3.x has some issues with manually created services. if you removed the ones you manually created and then modeled the device to have those ip services auto-created, i bet those auto created services would behave as expected. i _think_ there's a fix, though. let me grab some coffee and dig around for a minute
[20-Jul-2011 10:24:54] <Guest94635> that's what i figured. when they auto-creat, i'm not able to change their names like in 2.5. port 3000 monitored will always show up as irdmi and 8080 http alt which really screws up the alert emails coming through
[20-Jul-2011 10:29:15] <SDuensin> Good morning all.
[20-Jul-2011 10:29:20] <Guest94635> morning
[20-Jul-2011 10:30:02] <SDuensin> I just installed Zenoss from source (no RHEL6 RPMs!) and can't get any of the WMI ZenPacks to work. They alwys show up as "broken" in the UI. Any ideas?
[20-Jul-2011 10:30:46] <jmp242> Mmmm, hopefully 3.2 has EL6 RPMs
[20-Jul-2011 10:31:47] <SDuensin> Getting the source built wasn't hard. Wasn't a big deal. Not having WMI is though. :-(
[20-Jul-2011 10:32:43] <SDuensin> Everything depends on "WMI Data Source" and that won't install.
[20-Jul-2011 10:36:06] <SDuensin> Any pointers on how to even begin to debug the issue?
[20-Jul-2011 10:37:31] <jmp242> Latest version of the WMI Data Source
[20-Jul-2011 10:37:32] <jmp242> ?
[20-Jul-2011 10:37:47] <SDuensin> Not from SVN but otherwise I believe so.
[20-Jul-2011 10:37:53] <jmp242> mmm
[20-Jul-2011 10:38:03] <jmp242> Did you bounce zenoss after install?
[20-Jul-2011 10:38:07] <SDuensin> I have: ZenPacks.community.WMIDataSource-2.11.egg
[20-Jul-2011 10:38:10] <SDuensin> Yes.
[20-Jul-2011 10:39:15] <jmp242> Must be EL6 related then
[20-Jul-2011 10:39:27] <jmp242> I'd post in the Zenpack forum
[20-Jul-2011 10:39:36] <jmp242> Egor may reply and try a bugfix
[20-Jul-2011 10:39:45] <SDuensin> Thanks.
[20-Jul-2011 10:39:51] <SDuensin> Reading the Trac tickets now.
[20-Jul-2011 10:39:58] <klone> Guest94635 - about 5 more minutes, should have what you're looking for
[20-Jul-2011 10:40:06] <crilly> I'm trying to get Zenoss to do LDAP authentication. Is this guide correct, because the location I need to extract these tar files to doesn't exist: http://nathaniel.themccallums.org/2008/03/13/ldapactivedirectory-authorizationauthentication-and-zenoss/
[20-Jul-2011 10:40:36] <Guest94635> klone - thanks man!
[20-Jul-2011 10:42:05] <crilly> Specifically, this line: tar xvzf LDAPUserFolder-2.9-beta.tgz -C /opt/zenoss/lib/python/Products/
[20-Jul-2011 10:42:21] <crilly> The location doesn't exist with my (clean, new) installation.
[20-Jul-2011 10:44:47] <mcrilly> Yeah, thanks for that Konsole.
[20-Jul-2011 10:45:02] <mcrilly> OK, so as I was trying to say, should the files be in: /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products
[20-Jul-2011 10:45:08] <mcrilly> ?
[20-Jul-2011 10:48:18] <dhopp> crilly: did you install it via rpm or use the stack installer?
[20-Jul-2011 10:48:34] <dhopp> if stack installer then /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products is correct
[20-Jul-2011 10:48:42] <mcrilly> I used the Debian repository to install zenoss-stack, so I guess the stack installer.
[20-Jul-2011 10:48:47] <mcrilly> OK, good.
[20-Jul-2011 10:48:54] <mcrilly> Thank you kind sir.
[20-Jul-2011 10:53:52] <mcrilly> And alas, we come to the first of likely many problems: the LDAP MultiPlugin isn't showing up.
[20-Jul-2011 10:54:46] <mcrilly> Hmm, wierd. Really odd ownership flags on the folders.
[20-Jul-2011 10:57:17] <SDuensin> Maybe I'm missing something? Every ZenPack I try tells me "Could not import class 'ZenPack' from module 'Anything.I.Try'".
[20-Jul-2011 10:57:58] <klone> Guest94635 - ok, for the ipservice issue here's what you'll want to do ... first, make a backup copy of $ZENHOME/Zuul/infos/service.py
[20-Jul-2011 10:58:35] <klone> Guest94635 - then snag a copy of this: http://dpaste.com/572412 and drop it into $ZENHOME/Products as 'ipservice.patch'
[20-Jul-2011 10:59:46] <klone> Guest94635 - then, from $ZENHOME/Products issue `patch -p0 < ipservice.patch`, and restart the zenoss services. i _believe_ you'll need to recreate the services to get them cataloged correctly, but it should work as expected thereafter
[20-Jul-2011 11:00:49] <mcrilly> "It is assumed that you have installed the PluggableAuthService and PluginRegistry products already. They are available from cvs.zope.org."
[20-Jul-2011 11:01:06] <mcrilly> Ah these installed by the stack installer automatically, or do I have to install them?
[20-Jul-2011 11:01:09] mcrilly is now known as crilly
[20-Jul-2011 11:10:38] <crilly> Can anyone suggest any reason or reasons as to why the LDAP/AD authentication plugins aren't available via the acl_users management module?
[20-Jul-2011 11:11:09] <jvn> klone, i got d
[20-Jul-2011 11:11:13] <jvn> disconnected
[20-Jul-2011 11:11:25] <jvn> can you repeat what the solution was?
[20-Jul-2011 11:12:05] <klone> jvn - sure. i'll pm it over so as not to repost in here
[20-Jul-2011 11:15:49] <JohnnyNOC> klone - you have any idea why a service running on a windows machine wouldn't be added to the list of services that I could choose to have monitored?
[20-Jul-2011 11:16:55] <JohnnyNOC> it's also not in the drop down list of services running on the machine when i uncheck monitored (i'm using 2.5.2)
[20-Jul-2011 11:19:20] <klone> JohnnyNOC - is this a windows service, or an ip service?
[20-Jul-2011 11:19:28] <SDuensin> Oh man. My ZenPack solution was painfully stupid. For future reference, do NOT install them as 'root' when your Zenoss install runs as 'zenoss'!
[20-Jul-2011 11:19:29] <JohnnyNOC> windows service
[20-Jul-2011 11:19:58] <JohnnyNOC> also, i've used both the c.wmi.winservicemap and z.wmi.winservicemap plugins
[20-Jul-2011 11:20:03] <JohnnyNOC> or, tried using both
[20-Jul-2011 11:20:44] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away
[20-Jul-2011 11:22:36] <klone> JohnnyNOC - is it a specific service that just isn't showing up?
[20-Jul-2011 11:22:42] <JohnnyNOC> klone - yes
[20-Jul-2011 11:23:43] <crilly> Zenoss is very easy to break - I'll use something else. Thanks (for nothing).
[20-Jul-2011 11:25:55] <klone> JohnnyNOC - interesting. in that case i'd try a debug level modeling via that specific plugin to see what is being returned: zenmodeler run -v10 -d DEVICEID --collect=zenoss.wmi.WindowsServiceMap
[20-Jul-2011 11:26:58] <JohnnyNOC> you know, once again i think i'm an idiot. i didn't see them by the name i was looking for but after a closer look i think they're really there
[20-Jul-2011 11:27:30] <klone> that would make more sense than a specific one not showing up.
[20-Jul-2011 11:27:54] <SDuensin> Gee, crilly was nice.
[20-Jul-2011 11:27:54] <JohnnyNOC>
[20-Jul-2011 11:40:59] <JohnnyNOC> LDAP authentication was apparently a bitch to get setup
[20-Jul-2011 11:41:02] <JohnnyNOC> sorry for crilly
[20-Jul-2011 11:49:00] <JohnnyNOC> ok klone how about another problem
[20-Jul-2011 11:49:21] <JohnnyNOC> trying to figure out why alerts are being sent outside of a defined alerting rule schedule AND a transform
[20-Jul-2011 11:50:05] <JohnnyNOC> so there's a transform set to drop the alerts outside of 8am-3pm. and an alert which was only supposed to email from 8am-3pm but this morning I see alerts sent at 5:20am in zenactions.log
[20-Jul-2011 11:50:08] <JohnnyNOC> can't figure out why :[
[20-Jul-2011 11:53:03] <klone> JohnnyNOC - i can't say i've seen that before. considering that the common denominator between the alert rules and the transform would be the system time ... is there any chance that's off? those two components don't really share anything else common that i can think of
[20-Jul-2011 11:56:39] <JohnnyNOC> klone - we typically run ntpd everywhere so i doubt the time is off, particularly by a factor of ~2.5 hrs
[20-Jul-2011 11:56:53] <JohnnyNOC> i'm not going to worry about it too much.. still focused on getting off this 2.5.2 install onto a fresh 3.1.0
[20-Jul-2011 11:56:58] <JohnnyNOC> too many unknowns about this setup :/
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[20-Jul-2011 12:42:45] <ablew> so i accidentally removed the Ping Status Issues report the other day. Any suggestions on how to re-create or re-import it?
[20-Jul-2011 12:52:42] <klone> ablew - which version of zenoss?
[20-Jul-2011 12:53:39] <ablew> 3.1.0
[20-Jul-2011 12:54:09] <klone> are you familiar with the ZMI?
[20-Jul-2011 12:54:38] <ablew> not really
[20-Jul-2011 12:54:41] <ablew> happy to learn though
[20-Jul-2011 13:38:52] <gloin> ablew: ping
[20-Jul-2011 13:41:42] <rmatte> Hackman238: you around?
[20-Jul-2011 13:41:58] <ablew> gloin: pong
[20-Jul-2011 13:44:26] <rmatte> ablew: does $ZENHOME/Products/ZenReports/reports/Device_Reports/Ping_Status_Issues.rpt still exist in your filesystem?
[20-Jul-2011 13:45:09] <rmatte> If so, you just need to do this as the zenoss user: python $ZENHOME/Products/ZenReports/ReportLoader.py --force
[20-Jul-2011 13:45:12] <rmatte> then restart Zenoss
[20-Jul-2011 13:45:15] <ablew> nice!
[20-Jul-2011 13:45:18] <rmatte> and you should have the report back
[20-Jul-2011 13:46:02] <ablew> rmatte: that worked like a charm
[20-Jul-2011 13:46:03] <ablew> thanks man
[20-Jul-2011 13:46:06] <rmatte> no problem
[20-Jul-2011 13:46:12] <ablew> if you're coming to OSCON i'll buy you a beer!
[20-Jul-2011 13:46:35] <rmatte> lol, I never end up going to any conferences, but I do accept paypal donations for beer
[20-Jul-2011 13:46:50] <rmatte> (not necessary though lol)
[20-Jul-2011 13:49:42] <rmatte> man, they've massively simplified report writing in Zenoss with the new alias system... I hadn't written a report since Zenoss 2.4
[20-Jul-2011 13:50:00] <rmatte> the coding is so much simpler
[20-Jul-2011 14:37:15] <ablew> has anyone used ReportMail to do plain text emails instead of with the attachments?
[20-Jul-2011 14:43:57] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk
[20-Jul-2011 14:51:18] <crazed> is there an easy way to execute scripts on crtical alerts?
[20-Jul-2011 14:51:31] <Simon4> yeah
[20-Jul-2011 14:51:34] <rmatte> crazed: yes
[20-Jul-2011 14:51:46] <crazed> can you point me in the right direction, i figured there was an easy way to do this
[20-Jul-2011 14:51:57] <rmatte> yeh give me a second, I need to load up the new UI
[20-Jul-2011 14:52:15] <rmatte> Advanced -> Commands
[20-Jul-2011 14:52:23] <rmatte> actually wait
[20-Jul-2011 14:52:27] <rmatte> sorry, wrong spot, once sec
[20-Jul-2011 14:52:54] <rmatte> Events -> Event Manager -> Commands
[20-Jul-2011 14:53:50] <rmatte> Here's an example of a command
[20-Jul-2011 14:53:52] <rmatte> create_ticket.pl -autonotify -customer 'nnc-00001' -device '${dev/id}' -deviceIP '${dev/manageIp}' -collector `hostname -f` -first '${evt/firstTime}' -last '${evt/lastTime}' -count '${evt/count}' -summary '${evt/summary}' -noteTitle 'System Monitor Error' -note '${evt/message}' -severity '${evt/severity}' -group '${evt/DeviceGroups}' -impact '${evt/DevicePriority}' -component '${evt/component}' -queue 'Front Line' >> ~/APIOutput.txt
[20-Jul-2011 14:54:14] <rmatte> you can use ${evt/whatever} to pass event properties to the command
[20-Jul-2011 14:55:00] <rmatte> or ${dev/whatever} for device properties
[20-Jul-2011 14:57:43] <zykes-> rmatte: ?
[20-Jul-2011 14:57:53] <rmatte> zykes-: what?
[20-Jul-2011 14:57:58] <zykes-> create_ticket.pl ?
[20-Jul-2011 14:58:01] <zykes-> what script is that
[20-Jul-2011 14:58:06] <rmatte> my script
[20-Jul-2011 14:58:08] <rmatte> it's an example
[20-Jul-2011 14:58:11] <zykes-> ah
[20-Jul-2011 14:58:29] <zykes-> does that run on certain stuff ?
[20-Jul-2011 14:58:42] <rmatte> what do you mean?
[20-Jul-2011 14:58:51] <zykes-> like only on certain events.
[20-Jul-2011 14:59:00] <rmatte> you can setup filters on commands, yes
[20-Jul-2011 14:59:33] <rmatte> I don't use that method to execute the script though, I wrote a daemon to handle it
[20-Jul-2011 14:59:50] <rmatte> the event manager only executes on an event count of 1
[20-Jul-2011 14:59:56] <rmatte> it doesn't execute each time the count increments
[20-Jul-2011 15:00:02] <rmatte> which makes it useless for what I wanted to do
[20-Jul-2011 15:00:09] <zykes-> ah
[20-Jul-2011 15:00:15] <zykes-> possible to share those ?
[20-Jul-2011 15:00:42] <rmatte> not really, and they wouldn't be relevant to your environment anyways, they are designed to work with a highly customized version of OTRS
[20-Jul-2011 15:00:56] <zykes-> the daemon as well ?
[20-Jul-2011 15:01:14] <rmatte> the daemon isn't really designed with public use in mind
[20-Jul-2011 15:01:24] <zykes-> hmm k
[20-Jul-2011 15:01:31] <rmatte> If you really want to have a look: http://dmon.org/zenticket.html
[20-Jul-2011 15:02:10] <zykes-> what's queues ?
[20-Jul-2011 15:02:12] <zykes-> otrs queues ?
[20-Jul-2011 15:02:16] <rmatte> correct
[20-Jul-2011 15:02:54] <rmatte> I need to clean up the code eventually, it was written when I was first learning python
[20-Jul-2011 15:03:16] <rmatte> need to break it up in to functions and such
[20-Jul-2011 15:03:20] <zykes-> heh, done any other cool stuff
[20-Jul-2011 15:03:21] <zykes-> ?
[20-Jul-2011 15:03:31] <rmatte> done lots of stuff lol
[20-Jul-2011 15:04:07] <zykes-> public ones ?
[20-Jul-2011 15:04:46] <rmatte> the only public stuff is whatever I've released as ZenPacks or in the Zenoss Community wiki
[20-Jul-2011 15:04:54] <zykes-> ah
[20-Jul-2011 15:05:16] <rmatte> I have several ZenPacks released
[20-Jul-2011 15:05:35] <zykes-> any new exciting secret sauce ?
[20-Jul-2011 15:05:50] <rmatte> not really, my formula datasource is my latest project
[20-Jul-2011 15:05:54] <rmatte> need to write a daemon for it
[20-Jul-2011 15:06:02] <rmatte> going to work on that a bit tonight
[20-Jul-2011 15:06:12] <rmatte> formula datasource ZenPack that is
[20-Jul-2011 15:06:16] <zykes-> ah
[20-Jul-2011 15:06:53] <rmatte> right now I'm trying to figure out why this damn report that I'm writing isn't working as expected
[20-Jul-2011 15:07:02] <zykes->
[20-Jul-2011 15:07:15] <zykes-> i made that thing for the zenoss-json api bindings
[20-Jul-2011 15:07:20] <rmatte> it omits the data from one of the columns, but I'm sure the code is right
[20-Jul-2011 15:07:22] <zykes-> but not done anything more with it
[20-Jul-2011 15:07:27] <rmatte> ah
[20-Jul-2011 15:07:47] <rmatte> I'm writing reports for Hackman238's IPSLA pack
[20-Jul-2011 15:07:58] <zykes-> will it be released ?
[20-Jul-2011 15:08:07] <rmatte> The report or the pack?
[20-Jul-2011 15:08:13] <zykes-> i was in at the office last year and did alot of stuff but then i was contracted out to a customer so didn't have time
[20-Jul-2011 15:08:25] <rmatte> ah
[20-Jul-2011 15:08:54] <rmatte> If you were asking about the reports, yes, I'm going to have Hackman package them in to the ZenPack
[20-Jul-2011 15:09:17] <zykes-> anything i could be making i wonder to be useful
[20-Jul-2011 15:09:37] <zykes-> was wondering to extend brocade monitoring but
[20-Jul-2011 15:11:00] <rmatte> that's one pack that I'm tempted to work on myself
[20-Jul-2011 15:11:17] <rmatte> right now I'm working on a Cisco Nexus pack
[20-Jul-2011 15:11:38] <rmatte> which I'll get back to once I'm done with these reports
[20-Jul-2011 15:12:30] <zykes-> public one ? ^^
[20-Jul-2011 15:12:46] <rmatte> It may be, depending on whether or not my director approves it to be released
[20-Jul-2011 15:12:54] <zykes-> i was asking dell about compellent stuff as well, but they never got back to may those bastards
[20-Jul-2011 15:12:56] <rmatte> I try to release as much as possible but my company has the last say obviously
[20-Jul-2011 15:13:11] <zykes-> me.
[20-Jul-2011 15:13:28] <zykes-> any packs you haven't released ?
[20-Jul-2011 15:14:03] <rmatte> lots
[20-Jul-2011 15:14:14] <zykes-> :/
[20-Jul-2011 15:14:14] <rmatte> but they aren't stuff that would be particularily useful publicly
[20-Jul-2011 15:14:17] <zykes-> hardware stuff or ?
[20-Jul-2011 15:14:19] <rmatte> they are more environment specific
[20-Jul-2011 15:14:39] <rmatte> no, mostly tweaked templates, event mappings, interface templates, stuff like that
[20-Jul-2011 15:15:01] <zykes-> interface templates ?
[20-Jul-2011 15:15:06] <rmatte> yes
[20-Jul-2011 15:15:15] <rmatte> for different kinds of interfaces
[20-Jul-2011 16:18:11] <crazed> rmatte: hey how long until the clear command gets called ?
[20-Jul-2011 17:15:02] <rmatte> crazed: that's configurable, Events -> Event Manager -> Event Aging Threshold (hours)
[20-Jul-2011 17:15:22] <rmatte> I wish it were minutes instead of hours, but that's how they decided to code it
[20-Jul-2011 17:15:52] <rmatte> I'm out for the day, later
[20-Jul-2011 17:20:32] <SDuensin> Ok gang, I've managed to confuse myself. I can't figure out how to set up device classes with custom monitoring templates...
[20-Jul-2011 17:21:13] <SDuensin> I've created a tree of device classes similar to: All/Windows/Workstation/Windows7
[20-Jul-2011 17:22:00] <SDuensin> I want to assign a monitoring template to "Windows" for general Windows stuff, then add more for workstation-specific monitoring to the "Workstation" branch and again more on the "Windows7" branch.
[20-Jul-2011 17:24:30] <SDuensin> Oh, and I've read the docs, watched the videos, and clicked the crap out of my test install. I'm still confused. :-)
[20-Jul-2011 17:42:12] <Praxi> I have a question about graphs and where that data is actually stored. I setup some SNMP temperature sensors, they are working perfectly. Production here wants to use that data, and replace their SOP with it. In order for them to do that, I have to verify I am backing that data up. Is the SNMP data stored in the database?
[20-Jul-2011 17:54:09] <nyeates> Praxi: Yes, Performance data is all stored in RRD database files.
[20-Jul-2011 17:54:19] <nyeates> Each measurement is a seperate .rrd file on the file system
[20-Jul-2011 17:55:12] <Praxi> hmm k so I need to make sure I'm backing up those RRD files then, was thinking the SQL backup was enough hehe
[20-Jul-2011 17:55:31] <nyeates> look in $ZENHOME/perf
[20-Jul-2011 17:56:06] <nyeates> zenbackup may help
[20-Jul-2011 17:56:16] <Praxi> ya I'm tooling around in there now, found the RRD files, trying to figure out how to tell filesize in linux lol
[20-Jul-2011 17:56:21] <nyeates> zenbackup --help
[20-Jul-2011 17:56:34] <Praxi> I looked at that in the interface, didn't seem very automated
[20-Jul-2011 17:56:41] <nyeates> Cool thing about rrd is that the file size never changes....data is phased out
[20-Jul-2011 17:57:16] <Praxi> ooh that could be a problem, how long does it keep it for?
[20-Jul-2011 17:57:55] <Praxi> zenbackup --help does a command not found when I run it from $ZENHOME
[20-Jul-2011 17:58:12] <nyeates> su - zenoss first
[20-Jul-2011 17:58:26] <nyeates> always be logged in as that when doing zen oss tuff
[20-Jul-2011 17:58:27] <Praxi> curses, noobed myself again
[20-Jul-2011 17:58:41] <nyeates> np
[20-Jul-2011 17:58:57] <nyeates> du -h --max-depth=1 . | sort -rn
[20-Jul-2011 17:59:00] <nyeates> gives directory sizes
[20-Jul-2011 17:59:22] <nyeates> ls -la gives long list of files and sizes
[20-Jul-2011 18:00:16] <nyeates> checkout my unix commands if u need em: http://nickyeates.com/technology/unix/useful_commands
[20-Jul-2011 18:00:30] <Praxi> hmm so what does zenbackup actually backup, just the database? or the directory too?
[20-Jul-2011 18:01:52] <Praxi> everything I need to get my install of zenoss up and running on another host, assuming requirements are met?
[20-Jul-2011 18:04:00] <Praxi> nice cheat sheet there, thank you nyeates
[20-Jul-2011 18:07:35] <nyeates> also http://nickyeates.com/technology/zenoss/useful_commands
[20-Jul-2011 18:07:40] <nyeates> use at yer own risk
[20-Jul-2011 18:08:25] <Praxi_> stinks my connection reset, did you get my thanks for your cheat sheets?
[20-Jul-2011 18:10:01] <nyeates> yes, no problem!
[20-Jul-2011 18:10:34] <Praxi_> did you get the question about the backups? didn't see a response to it
[20-Jul-2011 18:10:57] <nyeates> read all through zenbackup --help
[20-Jul-2011 18:11:08] <nyeates> it has options for turning off mysql, performance data, etc
[20-Jul-2011 18:11:17] <nyeates> otherwise, it backs it all up and puts it in a zip
[20-Jul-2011 18:11:23] <nyeates> unzip the backup to verify it
[20-Jul-2011 18:11:58] <Praxi_> oh ya good call, if I run the backup from the interface, it won't mess with any of the options, and I can just check that
[20-Jul-2011 18:13:10] <Praxi_> ok one last question, and I think I satisfy all my requirements, where do I see how long the performance graph history is for?
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[20-Jul-2011 18:22:11] <nyeates> Still around Praxi?
[20-Jul-2011 18:22:20] <Praxi> ya trying to read about RRD
[20-Jul-2011 18:23:49] <Praxi> Found this thread, it looks promising hehe message/58081
[20-Jul-2011 18:24:18] <nyeates> RRD records data at set intervals
[20-Jul-2011 18:24:29] <nyeates> I think its found in the zenoss settings page in the UI
[20-Jul-2011 18:25:35] <nyeates> We have set rrds to record detailed records for quite a while - id have to look....maybe a week or two....then it steps it down to less data after that, and less and less
[20-Jul-2011 18:25:47] <nyeates> ive never ran into an issue where there was not enough RRD data
[20-Jul-2011 18:26:09] <Praxi> FDA and all, they will want an exact answer hehe
[20-Jul-2011 18:26:19] <nyeates> yeah gotcha
[20-Jul-2011 18:27:18] <nyeates> thw answers on tht forum look right....they point u in the right waty
[20-Jul-2011 18:27:25] <Praxi> so if I do nothing 600 days
[20-Jul-2011 18:27:46] <Praxi> if I didn't override when I created
[20-Jul-2011 18:28:04] <nyeates> oh yeah its in the defauly RRD Create comand....lemme look at those settings...im guessing that is where u went to look
[20-Jul-2011 18:28:14] <nyeates> phonegi refs these in that post u gave
[20-Jul-2011 18:28:15] <Praxi> ya
[20-Jul-2011 18:28:35] <Praxi> heres mine RRA:MAX:0.5:288:600
[20-Jul-2011 18:30:01] <nyeates> yeah mine has a number of those lines....im not an expert here....refer to that rrd page on what all that means
[20-Jul-2011 18:30:18] <Praxi> ya the 228:600 covers it
[20-Jul-2011 18:31:02] <Praxi> thanks for all your help Nyeates
[20-Jul-2011 18:31:16] <Praxi> I love the community here, don't get talked down to nearly as much
[20-Jul-2011 18:31:56] <Praxi> bwhahahahhaha http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/07/20/msnbc_to_gop_congressman_do_you_have_a_degree_in_economics.html schooling the msnbc anchor lady
[20-Jul-2011 18:32:05] <Praxi> Contessa Brewer
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[20-Jul-2011 18:39:36] <Evolution> question about docs/DOC-2353 . In the first instance of the command where dev = {'deviceName' : 'NEWDEVICE',
[20-Jul-2011 18:40:05] <Evolution> in the second instance where it's more defined with all the various options, it's just 'DEVICENAME'
[20-Jul-2011 18:40:19] <Evolution> is one a long form and one a short form, or is that a documentation typo?
[20-Jul-2011 18:41:14] <Evolution> should the second set be serv.loadDevice('deviceName':'MYDEVICE' ...
[20-Jul-2011 18:41:35] <Evolution> or is serv.loadDecice('MYDEVICE', ... enough?
[20-Jul-2011 18:46:23] <Praxi> I am still LoLing at that Contessa Brewer thing
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[21-Jul-2011 02:29:22] <ROMANTIKO> hello i am trying to setup ntop but I always recieve a file need to install first.. can somebody help me
[21-Jul-2011 05:24:01] <marin1111> hello, what are you doning here????
[21-Jul-2011 05:24:15] <guestptwmjg> hi
[21-Jul-2011 05:43:17] <Nikodim> Hi guys
[21-Jul-2011 05:43:17] <Nikodim> I have a question related to Zenoss Event Command. I need to get ZenPack root folder via variable to launch the script (this will avoid usage of hardcoded path).
[21-Jul-2011 05:43:17] <Nikodim> In COMMAND DataSources it is possible to refer to ZenPack root like "{here/ZenPackManager/packs/ZenPacks.community.MyPack/path}", but when executed via Event Command it says "KeyError: 'here'".
[21-Jul-2011 05:43:17] <Nikodim> I'll be very grateful if someone can advice the way to refer ZenPack root folder in Event Command.
[21-Jul-2011 06:39:09] <Nikodim> Solved with "${dev/ZenPackManager...}"
[21-Jul-2011 08:08:45] <johnf1911> a quick question, is there a way to sort interfaces by load?
[21-Jul-2011 08:08:58] <johnf1911> it would be great to be able to find the most used ports on a switch with 200 ports
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[21-Jul-2011 09:25:55] <jvn> question: is there a way to change the tcp polling like the ping? or are they using the same timing
[21-Jul-2011 09:28:35] <jiveturkey> johnf1911, I imagine you could write a report to do that.
[21-Jul-2011 09:32:35] <johnf1911> oh, there's sorting in the reports?
[21-Jul-2011 09:32:38] <johnf1911> I'll check it out
[21-Jul-2011 09:33:47] <dhopp> jvn: what do you mean?
[21-Jul-2011 09:39:25] <JohnnyNOC> good morning my zenoss cronies
[21-Jul-2011 09:39:58] <dhopp> morning
[21-Jul-2011 09:40:18] <dhopp> I got to sleep in today..5:30 AM :-P
[21-Jul-2011 09:40:32] <JohnnyNOC> haha
[21-Jul-2011 09:40:34] <JohnnyNOC> wow, lucky you!
[21-Jul-2011 09:40:56] <dhopp> JohnnyNOC: I was at the office at 3 AM yesterday (alarm went off at 1:45 AM)
[21-Jul-2011 09:41:09] <JohnnyNOC> oooh
[21-Jul-2011 09:41:17] <JohnnyNOC> what time are you normally up for work?
[21-Jul-2011 09:41:38] <JohnnyNOC> i'm supposed to be at my desk at 7am, but fortunately my commute is only ~15 mins
[21-Jul-2011 09:41:58] <dhopp> Usually get out of bed at 6 AM…get to the office by 8 AM…but have to get the kids ready and take them to day care
[21-Jul-2011 09:42:58] <dhopp> but yesterday we were upgrading our root dns servers so we had to do it during the maint window
[21-Jul-2011 09:53:46] <jvn> i thought i had it bad. sleep at 11, wake at 6, leave house by 6:30 and in work by 7am
[21-Jul-2011 09:54:21] <dhopp> My commute is only about 30 minutes..but with 2 kids under 3, the morning routine takes a little longer
[21-Jul-2011 09:55:27] <dhopp> jvn: can you explain what you were trying to do when you asked "question: is there a way to change the tcp polling like the ping? or are they using the same timing"..I'm not sure I understand the question
[21-Jul-2011 09:56:57] <JohnnyNOC> darn kids
[21-Jul-2011 09:57:01] <JohnnyNOC> they need to get a job, and a car
[21-Jul-2011 09:57:05] <JohnnyNOC> drive their own damnselves
[21-Jul-2011 09:57:06] <JohnnyNOC>
[21-Jul-2011 09:57:11] <dhopp> JohnnyNOC: lol
[21-Jul-2011 09:57:34] <dhopp> JohnnyNOC: forgot to mention that I need to walk the dog too…a lot to do in the morning
[21-Jul-2011 09:57:42] <JohnnyNOC> man
[21-Jul-2011 09:57:47] <JohnnyNOC> i have like no responsibility compared to you
[21-Jul-2011 09:57:48] <JohnnyNOC>
[21-Jul-2011 09:57:52] <JohnnyNOC> get up, shit, shower, shave
[21-Jul-2011 09:58:00] <JohnnyNOC> then off to work!
[21-Jul-2011 09:58:03] <dhopp> JohnnyNOC: LOL…don't get married and have kids :-P
[21-Jul-2011 09:58:31] <JohnnyNOC> i'm trying not to!
[21-Jul-2011 09:58:34] <jvn> dhop: when does zenoss probes tcp:81/80/etc
[21-Jul-2011 09:58:37] <JohnnyNOC> just have like, 5 gfs
[21-Jul-2011 09:58:43] <Simon4> jvn: zenstatus cycle time
[21-Jul-2011 09:58:43] <JohnnyNOC> call them monday, tuesday, wednesday...
[21-Jul-2011 09:59:03] <jvn> thanks simon
[21-Jul-2011 10:00:07] <dhopp> jvn: you can change the various polling cycles under the collector, however if you change for example snmp from the default 300 to something else, your RRDs will be broken until you either manually fix them or remove them and let zenoss recreate them
[21-Jul-2011 10:02:49] <jvn> how many tries until it sends an alert?
[21-Jul-2011 10:05:07] <dhopp> jvn: by default none…but you can change that when you set up the alerting rule
[21-Jul-2011 10:07:57] <jvn> one?
[21-Jul-2011 10:08:11] <jvn> where do i go to check to see if it's polling right. I go to zenping under daemon for pings
[21-Jul-2011 10:08:46] <Simon4> zenstatus, check the log file zenstatus.log
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[21-Jul-2011 10:10:36] <dhopp> jvn: sorry, I meant one (I was thinking "how many retries")
[21-Jul-2011 10:11:02] <jvn> Gotcha, thanks!
[21-Jul-2011 10:11:43] <jvn> another question. if i have 500 devices that needs to be pinged regularly, do i change the maximum ping in flight to around 500?
[21-Jul-2011 10:12:48] <dhopp> you shouldn't need to…ping shouldn't take that long to respond.
[21-Jul-2011 10:13:45] <dhopp> the status interval is 60 seconds…it should be able to do 500 devices in that time easily, unless you have a ton of timeouts..
[21-Jul-2011 10:33:06] <axelilly> When viewing interfaces on a switch, there is a search box in the upper right that says "Type to filter". What exactly is that filtering?
[21-Jul-2011 10:33:13] <axelilly> I can't get it to work at all.
[21-Jul-2011 10:33:34] <axelilly> I was hoping it would liet me search the interface descriptions.
[21-Jul-2011 10:40:30] <Lucky468> I am new to zenoss I am getting the follwoing error in zenoss WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Continuing to wait for response from RDrfish01 after 299.998841047 seconds
[21-Jul-2011 10:41:14] <Lucky468> even i did snmpwalk its working fine but its showing upon the Zenperfsnmp.log
[21-Jul-2011 10:41:29] <nyeates> BTW, A dev meeting will be starting in ~20 mins
[21-Jul-2011 10:42:09] <Lucky468> With this zenoss is poping up an alert called "ZenPerfSNMP Cycle is 200" Please help me in this once teh meeting is completed
[21-Jul-2011 10:54:55] <Evolution> is there a way to clear out informational alerts for a host via REST, python xmlrpc hook, etc?
[21-Jul-2011 10:55:32] <Evolution> I'm adding the machines via python, but I need them to be green immediately after..
[21-Jul-2011 10:57:00] <nyeates> Evolution: i am looking here: community/documentation/official_documentation/api
[21-Jul-2011 10:57:48] <Evolution> nyeates: yeah... I was afraid of that....
[21-Jul-2011 10:57:57] <Simon4> Evolution: the alert being the "discovered IP xxxx for device Y" one?
[21-Jul-2011 10:58:14] <Evolution> I was hoping for something spelled out in crayon like docs/DOC-2353 :-P
[21-Jul-2011 10:58:41] <Evolution> Simon4: yep.
[21-Jul-2011 10:58:42] <Evolution> that one.
[21-Jul-2011 10:58:44] <Evolution> exactly.
[21-Jul-2011 10:59:12] <Simon4> you could event transform it into the ether
[21-Jul-2011 10:59:15] <JohnnyNOC> maybe a transform to drop them?
[21-Jul-2011 10:59:21] <Simon4> if you don't care about that event at all
[21-Jul-2011 10:59:33] <Evolution> no, I don't, and how would I do this?
[21-Jul-2011 10:59:45] <Evolution> I've been using zenoss for about 3 days now :-P
[21-Jul-2011 10:59:53] * Simon4 has a quick look to try and find one
[21-Jul-2011 11:00:22] <klone> you can delete events via REST, but if i've only ever done it by event id ... not event severity
[21-Jul-2011 11:00:45] <Evolution> my end goal is to be able to automate the deployment of the zenoss server, and automagically add the clients to be monitored from our db.
[21-Jul-2011 11:01:15] <Evolution> basically we're looking to ship a server room in a box with 0 interaction from the end user/admin other than 'yep... that light is green'
[21-Jul-2011 11:01:48] <dpetzel> so is the issue that the server will show a blue icon rather than green icon upon adding it?
[21-Jul-2011 11:01:50] <Simon4> Evolution: just adding a device, please hold
[21-Jul-2011 11:02:02] <Evolution> dpetzel: yep.
[21-Jul-2011 11:02:05] <simonjj> Evolution: info severity events shouldn't keep things from being green
[21-Jul-2011 11:02:49] <Evolution> simonjj: they do though. they show up blue/info in the infra/devices list
[21-Jul-2011 11:02:59] <dpetzel> I've seen that as well
[21-Jul-2011 11:03:07] <iancmcc> Evolution: what version?
[21-Jul-2011 11:03:08] <simonjj> I thought you were talking about overall status
[21-Jul-2011 11:03:14] <Evolution> 3.1.0
[21-Jul-2011 11:03:32] <simonjj> do you ever care about info level alerts ?
[21-Jul-2011 11:03:32] <iancmcc> There is certainly a JSON API call that will close all events for a given device. One sec, I'll suss it out.
[21-Jul-2011 11:03:46] <dpetzel> looking at the JSON API this is very doable, but I dont have any cut/paste code to do it
[21-Jul-2011 11:03:58] <nyeates> Everyone, welcome to our bi-weekly thur dev chat. Only announcements are that we are working towards getting the community on track by opening up access to community.zenoss.org, improving documentation, prepping our 3.2 release, and many other things.
[21-Jul-2011 11:04:00] <Evolution> I don't believe I would care about info level at all, no.
[21-Jul-2011 11:04:17] <iancmcc> The easiest way to figure it out, btw, is just to go do it in the UI and watch the request go out in Firebug.
[21-Jul-2011 11:04:20] <Evolution> this can hold until after the dev chat.
[21-Jul-2011 11:04:36] <Evolution> no need to get in your way
[21-Jul-2011 11:04:37] <simonjj> just drop them then
[21-Jul-2011 11:07:39] <nyeates> Send up any dev or advanced questions - we have some smart people in the room
[21-Jul-2011 11:08:13] <Simon4> Evolution: you want to add an event transform under the "/Status/Snmp" event class that looks something like http://pastie.org/2248915
[21-Jul-2011 11:08:27] <johnf1911> I'm going to run a big import job
[21-Jul-2011 11:08:32] <dpetzel> I'd love to get some developer feedbackon the best direction on this: message/58629#58629
[21-Jul-2011 11:08:34] <Simon4> I highly recommend finding the section in the admin guide that talks about this to find where that is, since getting your head around it is very useful
[21-Jul-2011 11:08:40] <johnf1911> that's going to add a number of machines
[21-Jul-2011 11:08:54] <johnf1911> I get database synch errors in zenmd
[21-Jul-2011 11:09:35] <johnf1911> I'm guessing I can call sync before adding each device
[21-Jul-2011 11:09:45] <johnf1911> to resync the state of my senmd shell with the database
[21-Jul-2011 11:09:48] <johnf1911> zenmd shell even
[21-Jul-2011 11:10:01] <johnf1911> so I'd call createInstance, set parameters
[21-Jul-2011 11:10:02] <johnf1911> commit
[21-Jul-2011 11:10:08] <johnf1911> call collectdevice
[21-Jul-2011 11:10:10] <johnf1911> sync
[21-Jul-2011 11:10:12] <johnf1911> and loop
[21-Jul-2011 11:10:14] <johnf1911> would that make sense?
[21-Jul-2011 11:10:19] <iancmcc> johnf1911: you're getting ConflictErrors?
[21-Jul-2011 11:10:32] <iancmcc> Highly, highly recommend using transact instead of transaction.commit()
[21-Jul-2011 11:10:53] <johnf1911> well, here's what I'm doing
[21-Jul-2011 11:11:10] <johnf1911> d = dmd.Devices.Network.Switch.Cisco.createInstance( "IP" )
[21-Jul-2011 11:11:18] <johnf1911> in a loop
[21-Jul-2011 11:11:27] <iancmcc> ok
[21-Jul-2011 11:11:28] <johnf1911> so I'm going to read a file with a bunch of machines
[21-Jul-2011 11:11:34] <johnf1911> so, with that in mind
[21-Jul-2011 11:11:38] <johnf1911> should I not be calling commit?
[21-Jul-2011 11:11:45] <johnf1911> and how can I keep my zenmd in sync?
[21-Jul-2011 11:11:48] <iancmcc> well
[21-Jul-2011 11:12:04] <iancmcc> if you're using zendmd
[21-Jul-2011 11:12:24] <iancmcc> no, either way. Here's the deal. transaction.commit() is a one-shot and can raise ConflictErrors.
[21-Jul-2011 11:12:44] <iancmcc> If your transaction lives for any length of time they'll happen on a decently busy system
[21-Jul-2011 11:12:55] <iancmcc> from ZODB.transact import transact
[21-Jul-2011 11:13:04] <iancmcc> that's a decorator.
[21-Jul-2011 11:13:23] <johnf1911> er, sorry
[21-Jul-2011 11:13:26] <johnf1911> I didn't quite follow that
[21-Jul-2011 11:13:27] <iancmcc> Wrap a function with it, and that function will be an isolated transaction that will retry up to five times in case of conflicterror
[21-Jul-2011 11:13:35] <johnf1911> ah, ok
[21-Jul-2011 11:13:49] <iancmcc> ConflictErrors happen, that's the way of things, and the best thing to do is retry
[21-Jul-2011 11:13:57] <nyeates> dpetzel: so you have one machine, many java processes, same name for each process, different ports for each, yeah?
[21-Jul-2011 11:14:17] <dpetzel> yeah process is java.exe (multiple instances of JVM running)
[21-Jul-2011 11:14:46] <johnf1911> http://pastie.org/2248950
[21-Jul-2011 11:14:54] <johnf1911> here's the code I'm going to be calling
[21-Jul-2011 11:14:58] <iancmcc> dpetzel: I'm pretty sure you'll be fine extending OSProcess.
[21-Jul-2011 11:14:59] <johnf1911> so, I should define it in a function
[21-Jul-2011 11:15:02] <johnf1911> and then call the function?
[21-Jul-2011 11:15:12] <Evolution> wait, if a message is aged, does that mean it'll drop off after X hours?
[21-Jul-2011 11:15:22] <johnf1911> I have a large list 53 hosts to add
[21-Jul-2011 11:15:24] <Evolution> so after X hours the 'info' goes back to green?
[21-Jul-2011 11:15:57] <iancmcc> Evolution: simonjj's transform is one way to go, but if you prefer a more surgical approach:
[21-Jul-2011 11:15:58] <iancmcc> http://pastebin.com/
[21-Jul-2011 11:16:01] <johnf1911> how would I create my function?
[21-Jul-2011 11:16:04] <iancmcc> bah
[21-Jul-2011 11:16:09] <johnf1911> sorry, I'm not what you'd call a python expert
[21-Jul-2011 11:16:14] <iancmcc> http://pastie.org/2248926
[21-Jul-2011 11:16:40] <iancmcc> Evolution: POST that to /zport/dmd/Devices/path/to/devices/mydevice/events_router
[21-Jul-2011 11:16:48] <iancmcc> and it will close all info-level events for that device.
[21-Jul-2011 11:16:56] <Evolution> oh sweet.
[21-Jul-2011 11:17:00] <iancmcc> johnf1911: looking
[21-Jul-2011 11:17:08] <johnf1911> thank you very much iancmcc
[21-Jul-2011 11:17:09] <Evolution> iancmcc: can that be done via xmlrpc as well?
[21-Jul-2011 11:17:44] <Evolution> iancmcc: as my script to add them is python, if I can munge it all from the same structure, that would be ideal.
[21-Jul-2011 11:17:53] <dpetzel> iancmcc: The part Im unclear aboutis after create my extended class, wouldnt Ineed to override the standard modeler plugin? Simply extending it wont make the OSProcess be that type without other changes right?
[21-Jul-2011 11:18:20] <iancmcc> Evolution: No, not yet.The xml-rpc API has always been pretty minimal, and we haven't yet updated it to mirror the JSON interface
[21-Jul-2011 11:18:20] <pmcguire> \nick ptmcg
[21-Jul-2011 11:18:38] <pmcguire> \nick ptmcg
[21-Jul-2011 11:18:54] <Evolution> the slash goes the other way :-P
[21-Jul-2011 11:19:05] <pmcguire> oof
[21-Jul-2011 11:19:09] pmcguire is now known as ptmcg
[21-Jul-2011 11:19:29] <ptmcg> (keeps me from being confused with all the other pmcguire's out there)
[21-Jul-2011 11:20:03] <iancmcc> johnf1911: Have you considered using zenbatchload?
[21-Jul-2011 11:20:32] <iancmcc> dpetzel: Yes, that's right, you would need to make a special modeler plugin that uses your OSProcess subclass.
[21-Jul-2011 11:20:33] <johnf1911> hmm, I definately could!
[21-Jul-2011 11:20:46] <johnf1911> I need to set both the title and IP though
[21-Jul-2011 11:20:51] <johnf1911> is that possible with zenbatchload?
[21-Jul-2011 11:21:07] <iancmcc> pretty sure. Checking.
[21-Jul-2011 11:21:51] <dpetzel> iancmcc: and remove the standard one from the device class correct? If I did that, I envions needing to 'determine' which type of process it is (ones I need to monkey with, vs ones I dont) and then create them as either the standard object class, or my extended class. Can Ihave multiple OSProcesses of varying class types?
[21-Jul-2011 11:21:57] <nyeates> johnf1911: you doing this on zenoss 3.1?
[21-Jul-2011 11:22:15] <johnf1911> yes, current
[21-Jul-2011 11:22:32] <johnf1911> oh, interesting
[21-Jul-2011 11:22:33] <johnf1911> zenbatchload --sample_configs
[21-Jul-2011 11:22:48] <johnf1911> it looks like I can do it by specifying the values in an appropriate form
[21-Jul-2011 11:23:07] <iancmcc> dpetzel: Yes, remove the existing process modeler from the device class. What you're saying seems exactly right, switch on whatever condition to pick which OSProcess subclass to use. I'm pretty sure all the relationship does is verify isinstance(ob, klass), which will work fine with subclasses
[21-Jul-2011 11:23:32] <iancmcc> johnf1911: Yes, you can invoke any method, so setTitle and setManageIp
[21-Jul-2011 11:24:00] <dpetzel> <iancmcc> ok cool, I'll take a crack at it and see what I break Thanks
[21-Jul-2011 11:27:29] <johnf1911> apparently I don't use the -i option any more
[21-Jul-2011 11:27:33] <johnf1911> to specify the input file
[21-Jul-2011 11:27:34] <johnf1911> any ideas?
[21-Jul-2011 11:27:58] <johnf1911> -C perhaps
[21-Jul-2011 11:29:03] <iancmcc> it's just the first arg
[21-Jul-2011 11:29:09] <iancmcc> zenbatchload myfile
[21-Jul-2011 11:29:54] <nyeates> johnf1911: if you want to see the code, check out $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel/BatchDeviceLoader.py
[21-Jul-2011 11:29:59] <johnf1911> awesome!
[21-Jul-2011 11:30:01] <johnf1911> it's working
[21-Jul-2011 11:30:02] <nyeates> -C is a configfile, which is NOT what you want
[21-Jul-2011 11:30:07] <johnf1911> yes, clearly
[21-Jul-2011 11:30:09] <iancmcc> -C is for config files, like zenbatchload.conf, if you had one, which you wouldn't. It's inheriting that from the base class which all the daemons use.
[21-Jul-2011 11:30:13] <johnf1911> and if you use that, it comments out the entries in it
[21-Jul-2011 11:31:02] <johnf1911> ok, I've got it working perfectly
[21-Jul-2011 11:31:09] <johnf1911> thank you very much for your help iancmcc, nyeates
[21-Jul-2011 11:31:47] <nyeates> also zenbatchload --show_options is nice to see
[21-Jul-2011 11:31:57] <johnf1911> wait, I spoke too quickly
[21-Jul-2011 11:32:06] <johnf1911> for some reason it hasn't modeled the devices correctly
[21-Jul-2011 11:33:06] <nyeates> how so?
[21-Jul-2011 11:33:13] <johnf1911> it has hard specified an snmp community
[21-Jul-2011 11:33:15] <johnf1911> at the device level
[21-Jul-2011 11:33:17] <johnf1911> other than the default one
[21-Jul-2011 11:33:32] <johnf1911> I see the inheritance of the attribute
[21-Jul-2011 11:33:38] <johnf1911> and it's specific to the newly created device
[21-Jul-2011 11:33:41] <johnf1911> that's really odd
[21-Jul-2011 11:33:42] <iancmcc> It's going to check zSnmpCommunities in order to see if one matches, and if it does it'll set it.
[21-Jul-2011 11:33:58] <johnf1911> hmm, that doesn't appear to be what it has done
[21-Jul-2011 11:34:00] <iancmcc> Is the value the same as the inherited?
[21-Jul-2011 11:34:15] <johnf1911> no
[21-Jul-2011 11:34:20] <johnf1911> if it inherited it'd be fine
[21-Jul-2011 11:34:22] <nyeates> you can set the zSnmpCommunity in the zenbatcload file.....or it will use what it enherits from the device class above it
[21-Jul-2011 11:34:22] <iancmcc> ok. Well, that's good.
[21-Jul-2011 11:34:56] <johnf1911> ok, I deleted the inheritance
[21-Jul-2011 11:34:58] <johnf1911> and it fixed it
[21-Jul-2011 11:35:00] <johnf1911> but that's very odd
[21-Jul-2011 11:35:06] <johnf1911> in this case, it's not such a big deal
[21-Jul-2011 11:35:09] <johnf1911> well, actually
[21-Jul-2011 11:35:15] <johnf1911> no, I really don't like this behaviour
[21-Jul-2011 11:35:24] <johnf1911> I could hard specify it in the batch load file
[21-Jul-2011 11:35:27] <johnf1911> but then it would be local
[21-Jul-2011 11:35:28] <johnf1911> :/
[21-Jul-2011 11:35:57] <iancmcc> if you set a zproperty to the value it /would/ have had if it were inherited, it doesn't set the local value
[21-Jul-2011 11:36:06] <iancmcc> it just keeps the inheritance
[21-Jul-2011 11:36:14] <johnf1911> hmm, ok
[21-Jul-2011 11:36:22] <iancmcc> nonetheless that's odd. So you're saying it doesn't use zSnmpCommunities?
[21-Jul-2011 11:36:35] <iancmcc> it should just go down the list until one hits
[21-Jul-2011 11:36:47] <johnf1911> no, it's forced it to public
[21-Jul-2011 11:36:52] <johnf1911> which is the first in the list
[21-Jul-2011 11:37:16] <iancmcc> is public in any way valid for the device?
[21-Jul-2011 11:37:42] <johnf1911> no
[21-Jul-2011 11:38:01] <nyeates> as in, did SNMP modeled stuff show up? did memory or disk sizes show up?
[21-Jul-2011 11:38:20] <nyeates> or it failed to model anything?
[21-Jul-2011 11:38:30] <iancmcc> no, more as in, do you have public as a community string on the device at all, whether or not it gives you the access you want
[21-Jul-2011 11:38:46] <iancmcc> anyway the easy fix is just to take public out of your zSnmpCommunities
[21-Jul-2011 11:38:55] <iancmcc> put them in the order that makes sense for your environment
[21-Jul-2011 11:38:59] <nyeates> this is true
[21-Jul-2011 11:39:03] <iancmcc> up on /zport/dmd/Devices, probably
[21-Jul-2011 11:42:50] <Evolution> for remote collectors, is it possible to wrap the traffic in ssl, or tunnel it via ssh?
[21-Jul-2011 11:43:57] <simonjj> Evolution: I recommend using point-to-point OpenVPN
[21-Jul-2011 11:47:29] <Evolution> simonjj: assuming company policy won't allow that... is it possible?
[21-Jul-2011 11:48:12] <simonjj> it is not possible, but I don't really I understand why that wouldn't be allowed
[21-Jul-2011 11:48:18] <bigegor> hi all
[21-Jul-2011 11:48:18] <simonjj> all you need to is a single port
[21-Jul-2011 11:48:29] <simonjj> you can use any port
[21-Jul-2011 11:48:58] <simonjj> the whole setup takes around 15-30min, here is a quick writeup and the config I usually use: http://cl1p.net/openvpn/
[21-Jul-2011 11:49:18] <nyeates> Company policy wont allow open source vpn implementation? they trust proprietary more maybe? heh
[21-Jul-2011 11:49:47] <Evolution> I'm thinking it's because they fear laws in other countries about encryption and data protection.
[21-Jul-2011 11:49:51] <simonjj> it's like saying we don't allow SSH
[21-Jul-2011 11:49:56] <Evolution> we have locations in some uh... interesting places.
[21-Jul-2011 11:50:09] <Evolution> simonjj: you joke....
[21-Jul-2011 11:50:31] <simonjj> no, seriously, the new version of openssh can establish fill VPNs as well
[21-Jul-2011 11:50:37] <simonjj> you need nothing but SSH
[21-Jul-2011 11:51:01] <simonjj> http://www.perturb.org/display/entry/770/
[21-Jul-2011 11:51:10] <simonjj> you guys allow SSH?
[21-Jul-2011 11:51:19] <Evolution> in some locations.
[21-Jul-2011 11:51:27] <Evolution> others, local law is sketchy.
[21-Jul-2011 11:51:55] <simonjj> well, I am sorry to say that without some other means there is no way to encrypt the traffic....
[21-Jul-2011 11:52:14] <simonjj> but honestly, what's the alternative? sneaker-net ?
[21-Jul-2011 11:52:45] <simonjj> you call a guy and he types and reads while wearing a phone headset in front of the physical terminal ?
[21-Jul-2011 11:52:57] <Evolution> heh
[21-Jul-2011 11:53:10] <Evolution> large company == strange policies.
[21-Jul-2011 11:53:27] <Evolution> I don't make'em, I don't break'em... I just try to work aroudn them when I have to.
[21-Jul-2011 11:55:38] <nyeates> Thanks all for attending dev hour
[21-Jul-2011 11:55:45] <nyeates> See you all around
[21-Jul-2011 11:56:35] <simonjj> Evolution: I hear you....
[21-Jul-2011 11:56:50] <simonjj> maybe we should talk about what _is_ allowed first
[21-Jul-2011 11:58:35] <Evolution> I need to dig into that a bit more.
[21-Jul-2011 11:58:52] <Evolution> I'm still reasonably new and monitoring was something I got handed.
[21-Jul-2011 11:59:02] <Evolution> apparently it's been an issue here for quite a while.
[21-Jul-2011 11:59:17] <Evolution> (F the new guy or something)
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[21-Jul-2011 12:00:24] <nyeates> maybe deeper issues if SSH is not allowed internally. Maybe see if you can get an exception from your security/network team
[21-Jul-2011 12:01:08] <Evolution> internally it's fine. it's crossing zones (country borders) where they get all sideways on stuff.
[21-Jul-2011 12:10:04] <johnf1911> iancmcc: you were entirely right, when I set it to the same value it didn't have the local value set
[21-Jul-2011 13:04:05] <Lucky468> I am new to zenoss I am getting the follwoing error in zenoss WARNING zen.zenperfsnmp: Continuing to wait for response from RDrfish01 after 299.998841047 seconds
[21-Jul-2011 13:04:14] <Lucky468> even i did snmpwalk its working fine but its showing upon the Zenperfsnmp.log
[21-Jul-2011 13:04:27] <Lucky468> With this zenoss is poping up an alert called "ZenPerfSNMP Cycle is 200" Please help me in this
[21-Jul-2011 13:06:33] <Lucky468> Can any one please help me in this
[21-Jul-2011 13:10:05] <Praxi> sorry, too new myself Lucky468
[21-Jul-2011 13:10:52] <Lucky468> @Praxi:Do you have the same issue before
[21-Jul-2011 13:10:55] <dpetzel> Lucky468: How many devices are monioring?
[21-Jul-2011 13:11:07] <Praxi> I do not Lucky
[21-Jul-2011 13:11:20] <Lucky468> nearly 40 routers
[21-Jul-2011 13:11:54] <dpetzel> can you run the following from the command line on that box (while logged in as the zenoss user)
[21-Jul-2011 13:12:13] <dpetzel> zenperfsnmp run -d RDrfish01 -v 10
[21-Jul-2011 13:12:22] <Lucky468> is this in zenoss server
[21-Jul-2011 13:12:24] <dpetzel> that should give you some fairly in depth details around what is happening
[21-Jul-2011 13:12:28] <dpetzel> yes on the zenoss server
[21-Jul-2011 13:12:34] <Praxi> yes, as the zenoss user
[21-Jul-2011 13:12:44] <Praxi> I always forget that part hehe
[21-Jul-2011 13:13:01] <Lucky468> sure will run
[21-Jul-2011 13:20:24] <Praxi> maybe he was looking for the results of that Lucky468 ?
[21-Jul-2011 13:26:11] <rmatte_> good day all
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[21-Jul-2011 13:35:23] <Lucky468> @dpetzel:I did nt got any error
[21-Jul-2011 13:35:31] <dpetzel> how long did it take?
[21-Jul-2011 13:36:54] <Lucky468> it take a minute
[21-Jul-2011 13:37:12] <Lucky468> Can i paste the O/P in fpaste.org
[21-Jul-2011 13:37:22] <dpetzel> sure
[21-Jul-2011 13:38:30] <Lucky468> Cycle lasted 0.21 seconds
[21-Jul-2011 13:40:52] <Lucky468> http://fpaste.org/vtV7/
[21-Jul-2011 13:41:02] <Lucky468> @dpetzel:Please look into it
[21-Jul-2011 13:42:06] <dpetzel> looks pretty clean. How often are you getting those messages?
[21-Jul-2011 13:44:56] <Lucky468> i am getting this message for every cycle
[21-Jul-2011 13:45:06] <Lucky468> will this debug command fix this issue ?
[21-Jul-2011 13:45:13] <dpetzel> no it will not fix it
[21-Jul-2011 13:45:23] <dpetzel> it simply invokes a one time invocation with debugging enabled
[21-Jul-2011 13:46:45] <Lucky468> so can u please help me out how to fix this erro r
[21-Jul-2011 13:46:49] <dpetzel> what is the value of maxqueuelen on your zenperfsnmp daemon? Advanced --> Daemons
[21-Jul-2011 13:47:05] <dpetzel> I don't know of any specific fix, its going to take some digging
[21-Jul-2011 13:50:02] <Praxi> someone on the forums had a similar problem I think
[21-Jul-2011 13:50:21] <Praxi> see if I can find the thread I was looking at
[21-Jul-2011 13:50:30] <Lucky468> Please find my zenperfsnmp config and advice on the same
[21-Jul-2011 13:50:32] <Lucky468> ubhost localhost
[21-Jul-2011 13:50:58] <Lucky468> http://fpaste.org/GPR9/
[21-Jul-2011 13:51:30] <Praxi> Probably already looked at this thread Lucky468 but ran across it googling your earlier messages thread/7303
[21-Jul-2011 13:55:17] <dpetzel> Lucky468: does restarting zenoss make the issue go away for any length of time, or do you see this on first cycle after restart?
[21-Jul-2011 13:57:49] <Lucky468> i havent restart the zenoss from a long time
[21-Jul-2011 13:57:54] <Lucky468> since its in Production
[21-Jul-2011 13:58:30] <dpetzel> I'm not suggesting it as a fix per say, but I would help narrow down if one of your monitored devices is barfing, or if zenoss itself is the issue
[21-Jul-2011 14:01:50] <Lucky468> Is there any way to fix it instead of restarting the zenoss
[21-Jul-2011 14:02:29] <dpetzel> Im sure the answer is yes, but I'm not sure what that might be quite yet. On the surface it feels like one slow device maybe causing you to over queue
[21-Jul-2011 14:02:53] <dpetzel> would it really create a major problem to have znoess down for 2-3 minutes to do the restart?
[21-Jul-2011 14:03:29] <Lucky468> yeah its is a prob !!
[21-Jul-2011 14:03:59] <dpetzel> no need to shout
[21-Jul-2011 14:04:01] <hmp> its just a question, no need to yell
[21-Jul-2011 14:04:52] <dpetzel> can you paste output form tail -100 $ZENHOME/log/zenperfsnmp.log
[21-Jul-2011 14:07:11] <dpetzel> rather than restarting zenoss, you could potentially restart the zenperfsnmp daemon, which would go much faster, and limit the impact
[21-Jul-2011 14:09:24] <Lucky468> Just now only i put the device in decommision state i will put in production state and will do it
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[21-Jul-2011 15:25:33] <jrbailey> I have a question about embedding bits of zenoss in a "publicly" viewable setting.
[21-Jul-2011 15:27:08] <jrbailey> We are looking for a way to let machine status (right now just ping) be viewable to students just by going to the schools homepage
[21-Jul-2011 15:31:05] <Evolution> where can I find a sample file for BatchDeviceLoader?
[21-Jul-2011 15:34:27] <rmatte> jrbailey: it's really not hard to do something like that
[21-Jul-2011 15:34:28] <JohnnyNOC> jrbailey there's a JSON API you may be able to use to do it
[21-Jul-2011 15:34:41] <JohnnyNOC> otherwise you can simply write a script to talk to zend
[21-Jul-2011 15:34:53] <rmatte> yeh, JSON is usable, or you can just use straight zendmd to dump the status somewhere then display it
[21-Jul-2011 15:35:16] <JohnnyNOC> yep, listen to rmatte
[21-Jul-2011 15:35:18] <JohnnyNOC> he's zenoss guru
[21-Jul-2011 15:35:21] <JohnnyNOC>
[21-Jul-2011 15:35:23] <rmatte>
[21-Jul-2011 15:36:51] <rmatte> Here's a script that I wrote ages ago when I was first starting out with Zenoss
[21-Jul-2011 15:36:53] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/cnZ6/raw/
[21-Jul-2011 15:37:10] <rmatte> same that as a .py, execute it as the Zenoss user and it'll dump status/uptime for all devices
[21-Jul-2011 15:37:24] <rmatte> well, for all devices except those marked as decommed
[21-Jul-2011 15:38:13] <rmatte> save that*
[21-Jul-2011 15:39:13] <jrbailey> Is there a way for it to just pull certain devices?
[21-Jul-2011 15:39:24] <rmatte> well based on what?
[21-Jul-2011 15:39:32] <rmatte> there's a lot of ways to pull certain devices, you need to be more specific
[21-Jul-2011 15:39:39] <jrbailey> One second, making sure I have the terms right
[21-Jul-2011 15:40:16] <jrbailey> I have a portlet setup on the dashboard that shows root organizers.
[21-Jul-2011 15:40:19] <dpetzel> <Evolution>: zenbatchload --sample_config
[21-Jul-2011 15:40:20] <dpetzel> will dump an example to screen along with comments
[21-Jul-2011 15:40:57] <jrbailey> In there I have systems setup such as email, public website, portal, and the academic learning site
[21-Jul-2011 15:41:20] <rmatte> are those groups, systems, or device classes?
[21-Jul-2011 15:41:28] <jrbailey> groups
[21-Jul-2011 15:41:32] <rmatte> ok
[21-Jul-2011 15:41:58] <rmatte> yeh, you would have to add an if statement to the script to filter out a specific group
[21-Jul-2011 15:42:09] <jrbailey> That is how I have it setup right now...note I am very open to other ways to go about this
[21-Jul-2011 15:42:18] <rmatte> either way, I've given you the basics, you need to research and build what you want, I can't write it for you
[21-Jul-2011 15:42:38] <jrbailey> I agree. I just didn't have any idea of where to start.
[21-Jul-2011 15:44:15] <rmatte> one second, just typing up a quick example of how to filter by group
[21-Jul-2011 15:48:14] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/QDQI/raw/
[21-Jul-2011 15:48:18] <rmatte> there's a basic example
[21-Jul-2011 15:48:35] <rmatte> so if "/Server" was one of the groups, it would continue
[21-Jul-2011 15:50:06] <rmatte> prefix with / since that's what is output as part of the getDeviceGroupNames function
[21-Jul-2011 15:50:46] <rmatte> If you had a group called My Group, you'd do: if "/My Group" in d.getDeviceGroupNames():
[21-Jul-2011 15:52:01] <jrbailey> Ok, that looks easy enough...famous last words
[21-Jul-2011 16:15:47] <nonsenso> rehi.
[21-Jul-2011 16:17:28] <nonsenso> ReGiStRaS: the topic survey, what's RelStorage in the pri list?
[21-Jul-2011 16:17:39] <nonsenso> er, that was supposed to be re: stupid autocomplete.
[21-Jul-2011 16:46:39] <nyeates> relstorage is a new backend data store for the main object database
[21-Jul-2011 16:47:25] <nyeates> its stored as a file now, could be on mysql in future.....either way, the data is still in the same database though - the ZODB, and its still accessed the same
[21-Jul-2011 18:12:42] <rmatte> eugh, this is starting to drive me nuts... I'm basically copying the same format as the code from the interface report because I'm trying to perform a formula against two RRD values then create a new column from the result but it's not working even though it should be
[21-Jul-2011 18:23:41] <davetoo> what?
[21-Jul-2011 18:24:54] <rmatte> I'm trying to write a report that contains one column of values that is the result of one value being divided by another
[21-Jul-2011 18:25:05] <rmatte> my code is identical to another report that I'm looking at
[21-Jul-2011 18:25:09] <rmatte> yet it refuses to work
[21-Jul-2011 18:25:16] <davetoo> version?
[21-Jul-2011 18:25:48] <davetoo> and what's the report that is working? (is it another you've written, community, or zenoss-supplied?)
[21-Jul-2011 18:28:21] <rmatte> it's version 2.5.2
[21-Jul-2011 18:28:32] <rmatte> the working one is a Zenoss supplied one
[21-Jul-2011 18:28:35] <rmatte> the standard interface one
[21-Jul-2011 18:29:18] <rmatte> the values show up as N/A in the report
[21-Jul-2011 18:29:58] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/Jva0/
[21-Jul-2011 18:30:01] <rmatte> that's the report page
[21-Jul-2011 18:30:29] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/NaXy/
[21-Jul-2011 18:30:31] <rmatte> that's the plugin
[21-Jul-2011 18:30:44] <davetoo> I'm firing up my 2.5.2 vm
[21-Jul-2011 18:30:52] <rmatte> k
[21-Jul-2011 18:31:15] <davetoo> tho I'm not sure I ever actually finished building it...
[21-Jul-2011 18:32:19] <rmatte> also, the plugin has "droppedPkts+sentPkts", that's just temporary, I wanted to eliminate the possibility of the issue being caused by some sort of float division issue
[21-Jul-2011 18:32:37] <rmatte> eventually it'll be changed to droppedPkts/sentPkts
[21-Jul-2011 18:34:17] <rmatte> but yeh, basically the idea is that I am grabbing rttMonLatestJitterOperPacketLossSD and rttMonEchoAdminNumPackets but not actually displaying them in the report
[21-Jul-2011 18:34:25] <rmatte> I just want to use them to get a percentage then display that
[21-Jul-2011 18:37:39] <rmatte> I don't suppose there are any devs lurking about?
[21-Jul-2011 18:38:38] <rmatte> hmmm, I did just notice something that I forgot to change, maybe that's it...
[21-Jul-2011 18:39:23] * rmatte checks
[21-Jul-2011 18:40:17] <rmatte> hmmm, nope
[21-Jul-2011 18:41:23] <davetoo> gotta go
[21-Jul-2011 18:57:19] <rmatte> maybe it just doesn't have enough RRD data yet to be able to actually display it in the report with one of those OIDs
[21-Jul-2011 18:57:22] <rmatte> since it's a fresh OID
[21-Jul-2011 18:57:41] <rmatte> because the code looks fine
[21-Jul-2011 19:26:05] <rmatte> I'll try running it again tomorrow, hopefully that's the issue
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[21-Jul-2011 19:30:10] <rmatte> hmmm nope, doesn't appear to be damn, oh well, I'll work on it more tomorrow
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[22-Jul-2011 01:22:36] <marin1111> I think that this channel is for developer
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[22-Jul-2011 05:37:15] <marin1111> &^^
[22-Jul-2011 05:45:55] <marin1111> hello
[22-Jul-2011 06:28:42] <zykes-> fragfutter: around ?
[22-Jul-2011 06:28:48] <fragfutter> jep
[22-Jul-2011 06:29:10] <zykes-> now i'm getting the same issues again, checked cpu usage mem etc on the machine running zenoss
[22-Jul-2011 06:29:13] <zykes-> is totally fine
[22-Jul-2011 06:29:29] <zykes-> all daemons are running
[22-Jul-2011 06:30:16] <fragfutter> io?
[22-Jul-2011 06:30:20] <zykes-> but webinterface just hangs on "Loading . Please wait..." when going to Infrastructure
[22-Jul-2011 06:30:47] <zykes-> 0 allmost
[22-Jul-2011 06:31:08] <zykes-> < 10 mbit
[22-Jul-2011 06:31:18] <fragfutter> io means also harddisks
[22-Jul-2011 06:31:26] <fragfutter> tps
[22-Jul-2011 06:31:48] <zykes-> non
[22-Jul-2011 06:31:54] <zykes-> and cpu is mostly idling
[22-Jul-2011 06:31:54] <fragfutter> can you check Z2.log that your request is received by zope?
[22-Jul-2011 06:32:32] <zykes-> yeah
[22-Jul-2011 06:33:53] <fragfutter> just to make sure that your request actually reaches the zenoss server.
[22-Jul-2011 06:34:30] <zykes-> seems like a no :/
[22-Jul-2011 06:36:15] <fragfutter> try to do a simple request from your client to verify network "http://HOST:8080/zport/dmd/logo.png" it requires no authentification
[22-Jul-2011 06:39:10] <zykes-> seems the zope server is fuxxing itself
[22-Jul-2011 06:39:34] <fragfutter> tcpdump on the zenoss server to check if your request reaches it
[22-Jul-2011 06:39:37] <zykes-> i got it behind a ssl apache proxy but did the request locally on the box and it's just hanging
[22-Jul-2011 06:39:59] <zykes-> http req sent waiting for response
[22-Jul-2011 06:46:13] <zykes-> zope related issues ?
[22-Jul-2011 06:54:58] <zykes-> i did a reindex of zeo
[22-Jul-2011 06:55:03] <zykes-> and restarted zope, still no luck
[22-Jul-2011 06:55:39] <zykes-> at least now the requests are "getting" to zope
[22-Jul-2011 06:57:18] <zykes-> fragfutter: ideas ?
[22-Jul-2011 06:58:06] <fragfutter> you are now seeing the http requests hitting zope?
[22-Jul-2011 06:59:09] <zykes-> yeah, after restarting zope
[22-Jul-2011 06:59:41] <fragfutter> and you are still seeing the loading screens?
[22-Jul-2011 07:00:05] <zykes-> then when i enter the Infrastructure it starts to "hang" again
[22-Jul-2011 07:00:40] <fragfutter> and there is no load explaining it?
[22-Jul-2011 07:00:51] <Simon4> zykes-: what version?
[22-Jul-2011 07:00:58] <Simon4> 3.1?
[22-Jul-2011 07:00:59] <zykes-> 3.1
[22-Jul-2011 07:01:06] <Simon4> many devices?
[22-Jul-2011 07:01:15] <zykes-> < 100
[22-Jul-2011 07:02:21] <Simon4> when it's hanging, if you run top and hit "1" to show the load on each core, is one core at 100%?
[22-Jul-2011 07:03:21] <zykes-> allmost 100% idle
[22-Jul-2011 07:04:05] <zykes-> on both cores, no swapping mem either
[22-Jul-2011 07:07:24] <zykes-> weird thing is it doesn't log anything either
[22-Jul-2011 07:10:26] <zykes-> then i restart zope again and it seemingly works but then on the first request it just stalls
[22-Jul-2011 07:13:18] <zykes-> hmmms, seems to be issues with mysql :/
[22-Jul-2011 07:13:34] <tsener> hmm
[22-Jul-2011 07:13:45] <tsener> what could be wrong with this ? User-supplied Python expression (here.getRRDValue('MemoryTotal') * 0.9) for maximum value caused error: ['Memory_MemoryUsed']
[22-Jul-2011 07:14:08] <tsener> here.getRRDValue('MemoryTotal') * 0.9 should be my threshold value- 90 %
[22-Jul-2011 07:14:14] <tsener> is there any other way to set this one ?
[22-Jul-2011 07:14:29] <fragfutter> i would guess memorytotal is not an rrd value
[22-Jul-2011 07:16:14] <zykes-> fragfutter: should the mysql server be an issue ?
[22-Jul-2011 07:16:55] <tsener> hmm strange. . it should be
[22-Jul-2011 07:17:02] <fragfutter> zykes-: almost any page will require access to the mysql
[22-Jul-2011 07:17:10] <fragfutter> tsener: is it a windows device?
[22-Jul-2011 07:18:02] <tsener> yup
[22-Jul-2011 07:18:12] <fragfutter> tsener: then i didn't say anything
[22-Jul-2011 07:18:34] <tsener> lol
[22-Jul-2011 07:18:49] <fragfutter> tsener: can you open zendmd?
[22-Jul-2011 07:19:35] <tsener> yes
[22-Jul-2011 07:20:29] <tsener> what should go instead of "here" in here.getRRDValue('MemoryTotal') ?
[22-Jul-2011 07:21:02] <fragfutter> lets check if there is a rrd value available
[22-Jul-2011 07:21:18] <fragfutter> [i.name() for i in find("your.hostname").getRRDDataPoints()]
[22-Jul-2011 07:23:34] <zykes-> will the community edition have support for mysql partitioning?
[22-Jul-2011 07:25:56] <fragfutter> zykes-: you should be able to do it manually on the mysql. the access to partitioned mysql tables is transparent to the db-clients.
[22-Jul-2011 07:26:16] <fragfutter> zykes-: but why would you start to partition a db with something below 1mio rows?
[22-Jul-2011 07:32:55] <zykes-> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/444193/
[22-Jul-2011 07:32:58] <zykes-> does that look ok ?
[22-Jul-2011 07:35:32] <fragfutter> zykes-: not sure, but if the value of innodb-buffer-pool-size is not in MB it is to low
[22-Jul-2011 07:45:14] <tsener> this is what it returns:
[22-Jul-2011 07:45:14] <tsener> >>> [i.name() for i in find("host").getRRDDataPoints()]
[22-Jul-2011 07:45:15] <tsener> ['CPU_Total', 'Memory_MemoryTotal', 'Memory_MemoryUsed', 'Memory_PercentMemoryUsed', 'VirtualMemory_PercentVirtualMemoryUsed', 'VirtualMemory_VirtualMemoryTotal', 'VirtualMemory_VirtualMemoryUsed', 'sysUpTime_sysUpTime']
[22-Jul-2011 07:47:03] <fragfutter> tsener: find("host").getRRDValue("MemoryTotal")
[22-Jul-2011 07:52:05] <tsener> yup it returns a float number e.g. 100650048000.0
[22-Jul-2011 07:52:44] <fragfutter> out of ideas then
[22-Jul-2011 07:53:09] <fragfutter> it's the device you are getting the errors for, right?
[22-Jul-2011 07:53:32] <tsener> yes
[22-Jul-2011 07:53:52] <tsener> ha
[22-Jul-2011 07:53:57] <tsener> error is gone now
[22-Jul-2011 07:54:10] * fragfutter slaps tsener
[22-Jul-2011 07:54:15] <tsener> it was appearing on the performance tab
[22-Jul-2011 07:54:18] <tsener>
[22-Jul-2011 07:54:26] <tsener> sorry
[22-Jul-2011 07:54:39] <fragfutter> tsener: you started with a new device. the first 15 minutes the getRRD will not work.
[22-Jul-2011 07:55:02] <tsener> the zendmd example was very useful though, im pretty sure i will be able to use this in custom command checks
[22-Jul-2011 07:55:18] * tsener hides in the shadows, ashamed
[22-Jul-2011 08:16:43] <Hackman238> Hello all
[22-Jul-2011 09:41:35] <SDuensin> FrIdAy!
[22-Jul-2011 10:13:34] * JohnnyNOC does the Friday dance
[22-Jul-2011 10:13:44] <Simon4> nearly finished for the day here too
[22-Jul-2011 10:14:05] <tsener> http://cheezburger.com/View/5000945664
[22-Jul-2011 10:14:16] <tsener> : ))
[22-Jul-2011 10:14:53] <simonjj> JohnnyNOC, how is that upgrade coming along?
[22-Jul-2011 10:14:56] <Hackman238> Hey all
[22-Jul-2011 10:15:02] <JohnnyNOC> simonjj slow
[22-Jul-2011 10:15:05] <JohnnyNOC> :/
[22-Jul-2011 10:15:27] <JohnnyNOC> i've migrated all the collection to the new server and have to wait for our admins to rebuild our other box before I migrate collection again, and then setup Zenoss 3.1.0
[22-Jul-2011 10:15:44] <JohnnyNOC> thanks for asking though
[22-Jul-2011 10:18:28] <simonjj> actually
[22-Jul-2011 10:19:01] <simonjj> this delay might work in your favor, we're gonna push 3.2 within the next weeks
[22-Jul-2011 10:19:13] <simonjj> that's a much better release than 3.1
[22-Jul-2011 10:19:22] <JohnnyNOC> hrm
[22-Jul-2011 10:19:26] <Simon4> can you go 2.5->3.2?
[22-Jul-2011 10:19:52] <JohnnyNOC> simonjj but we don't have a solid date do we? boss wanted this done mid-august
[22-Jul-2011 10:20:05] <JohnnyNOC> and presumably if I go with 3.1.0, I should be able to easily upgrade.. right?
[22-Jul-2011 10:20:08] <simonjj> yeah that might be tight
[22-Jul-2011 10:21:09] <tsener> how stable is the 3.x branch for production ?
[22-Jul-2011 10:21:24] <simonjj> actually, you can just go to 3.1 and then patch 3.2 in people/simon/blog/2011/07/01/improve-your-31-ui-today
[22-Jul-2011 10:21:27] <tsener> I am to deploy instalations on two sites and for now I would prefer 2.5
[22-Jul-2011 10:21:35] <simonjj> 3.1 is solid
[22-Jul-2011 10:21:48] <simonjj> 3.2 is currently the best release we've ever had
[22-Jul-2011 10:22:04] <simonjj> 3.0.x is pretty bad on the UI front
[22-Jul-2011 10:22:34] <JohnnyNOC> hm
[22-Jul-2011 10:22:50] <simonjj> tsener: you're crazy to still stick with 2.5, 3.1 is out and about, and has a shitton of under the hood improvements
[22-Jul-2011 10:22:51] <tsener> I ve installed a 3.1 test and noticed some menus at the bottom than drop-down.. down and were not visible in firefox
[22-Jul-2011 10:23:03] <simonjj> you should definitely go there
[22-Jul-2011 10:23:11] <tsener> It's just the UI in 2.5 looks more tidy and simple to me
[22-Jul-2011 10:23:37] <simonjj> trust me, I wasn't a big fan of the 3.x UI
[22-Jul-2011 10:23:48] <simonjj> I screamed and bitched for the longest time
[22-Jul-2011 10:24:16] <simonjj> but once you start using and get used to it a little, and now that we've fixed most of the issues in 31 and 32
[22-Jul-2011 10:24:23] <simonjj> there is no point holding back
[22-Jul-2011 10:24:32] <simonjj> it's pretty slick when you get used to it
[22-Jul-2011 10:24:53] <simonjj> you gotta use a modern browser though, FF4, Chrome, Safari
[22-Jul-2011 10:25:45] <simonjj> don't hate, eeeembrace
[22-Jul-2011 10:26:47] <simonjj> JohnnyNOC: patching in 3.2 has not problems and when the full release comes out you just install that over top... that'll allow you to meet the mid aug deadline
[22-Jul-2011 10:30:20] <JohnnyNOC> simonjj right on i hope it proves to be that easy
[22-Jul-2011 10:30:20] <JohnnyNOC>
[22-Jul-2011 11:10:13] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Believe it or not its much easier to extend the new UI
[22-Jul-2011 11:11:55] <Hackman238> window 12
[22-Jul-2011 11:12:42] <SDuensin> Good morning all. If you were to install Zenoss from scratch, which method would you choose to make future updates the least painful?
[22-Jul-2011 11:12:52] <SDuensin> Kind of leaning towards the stack installer right now.
[22-Jul-2011 11:13:07] * Simon4 uses the native rpm packages and has no issues
[22-Jul-2011 11:13:27] <simonjj> CentOS 5.x with RPMs
[22-Jul-2011 11:13:28] <Hackman238> SDuensin: I reccomend RPM, very few problems
[22-Jul-2011 11:13:40] <SDuensin> Other than there are none for RHEL6.
[22-Jul-2011 11:19:57] <tsener> no rpms for rhel6 ?
[22-Jul-2011 11:20:16] <SDuensin> Not that I've seen.
[22-Jul-2011 11:21:37] <SDuensin> I did a source install to evaluate it.
[22-Jul-2011 11:21:51] <Hackman238> SDuensin: No RHEL6 yet
[22-Jul-2011 11:22:03] <SDuensin> Now that it's getting it's own box, I figured the stack installer would be easiest.
[22-Jul-2011 11:22:28] * tsener wishes there was a freebsd port
[22-Jul-2011 11:22:56] <SDuensin> Tried to compile it there?
[22-Jul-2011 11:23:37] <johnf1911> I have a little reporting question
[22-Jul-2011 11:23:47] <johnf1911> yesterday I was talking about sorting interfaces by load
[22-Jul-2011 11:24:19] <johnf1911> and jiveturkey said something about maybe being able to create a report for that
[22-Jul-2011 11:24:44] <johnf1911> does anyone have any idea how I could create a report with a lot of interfaces in it, and sort graph orber by average or max load?
[22-Jul-2011 11:27:04] <simonjj> I would suggest you take a look at the interface utilization report
[22-Jul-2011 11:27:28] <simonjj> have you done any kind of scripting before?
[22-Jul-2011 11:27:42] <simonjj> Python, Bash, Perl, etc. ?
[22-Jul-2011 11:29:22] <johnf1911> yes
[22-Jul-2011 11:29:42] <johnf1911> all of the above
[22-Jul-2011 11:31:17] <johnf1911> though not so much python, sadly
[22-Jul-2011 11:33:11] <johnf1911> simonjj: wow, very very interesting, I didn't know about this report
[22-Jul-2011 11:33:17] <johnf1911> and I think it's pretty much what I need
[22-Jul-2011 11:33:19] <johnf1911> thank you veyr much
[22-Jul-2011 11:35:08] <johnf1911> er, rather it wouldbe
[22-Jul-2011 11:35:11] <johnf1911> if it supported sorting
[22-Jul-2011 11:35:13] <johnf1911>
[22-Jul-2011 11:35:48] <johnf1911> oh, it does
[22-Jul-2011 11:35:55] <johnf1911> but only on the text, not the box
[22-Jul-2011 11:36:58] <johnf1911> wow, awesome
[22-Jul-2011 11:37:01] <johnf1911> thanks again!
[22-Jul-2011 11:59:09] <iruga> hi there
[22-Jul-2011 11:59:16] <iruga> i got a doubt using zenoss 2.4
[22-Jul-2011 11:59:34] <iruga> is old, i know but it is in production
[22-Jul-2011 11:59:49] <iruga> when i enable the watchdog for each daemon, it gave me errors
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[22-Jul-2011 12:09:01] <iruga> somebody there?
[22-Jul-2011 12:09:16] <klone> mebbe ...
[22-Jul-2011 12:09:18] <klone>
[22-Jul-2011 12:09:37] <klone> iruga, what sort of errors?
[22-Jul-2011 12:10:14] <iruga> they fall in random order
[22-Jul-2011 12:10:20] <iruga> generally given by problems contacting zenhub
[22-Jul-2011 12:10:43] <iruga> but if i dont use the watchdog for each daemon
[22-Jul-2011 12:10:51] <iruga> it works great
[22-Jul-2011 12:11:43] <klone> that's strange
[22-Jul-2011 12:11:48] <iruga> yup
[22-Jul-2011 12:19:28] <hmp> does zodb change on collector only setup machine?
[22-Jul-2011 12:20:15] <klone> hmp - can you clarify that question?
[22-Jul-2011 12:20:21] <hmp> should I back it up once in a while, or just one time, because mine hasn't changed in 2 months and I have moved devices between collectors
[22-Jul-2011 12:21:06] <hmp> -rw-r--r-- 1 zenoss zenoss 37279923 May 26 13:40 Data.fs
[22-Jul-2011 12:22:07] <klone> part of what is stored in zodb is the device-to-collector relationship, so if you've not backed up zodb since moving the devices around then if you needed to restore that backup, your collector associations to devices would be wrong
[22-Jul-2011 12:23:34] <hmp> isnt that written on the hub host?
[22-Jul-2011 12:23:47] <hmp> i moved devices like 2 days ago
[22-Jul-2011 12:29:02] <klone> hmp, i'm about to head out to lunch for a bit, but the hub and collector stuff is under dmd.Monitors in zodb
[22-Jul-2011 12:33:57] <dec3pti01> do the "ip services" in zenoss do an http connection for the checks ?
[22-Jul-2011 12:34:33] <dec3pti01> I've just added a new one with send string = GET /healthcheck and remodeled the device but no good so far
[22-Jul-2011 14:30:02] <simonjj> actually dec3pti01
[22-Jul-2011 14:30:39] <simonjj> yes, ip services should be able to send clear text strings and match the return against the defined regex
[22-Jul-2011 14:30:46] <simonjj> in case you still care
[22-Jul-2011 14:31:02] * Simon4 uses them to send HTTP requests, even
[22-Jul-2011 16:06:51] <dpetzel> nyeates - those KB links you posted don't seem to work (at least not for me)
[22-Jul-2011 16:07:06] <dpetzel> Your support portal session has expired due to inactivity and the requested action has not been completed. If you entered data in the previous screen and would like to save it, please follow these steps
[22-Jul-2011 16:07:44] <dpetzel> simply going to http://betasupport.zenoss.com by itself seems good though
[22-Jul-2011 16:07:56] <nyeates> hm thx
[22-Jul-2011 16:08:27] <nyeates> http://betasupport.zenoss.com/ics/support/KBSplash.asp
[22-Jul-2011 16:08:29] <nyeates> doesnt work?
[22-Jul-2011 16:08:38] <dpetzel> that doesnt work for me
[22-Jul-2011 16:08:40] <dpetzel> same error
[22-Jul-2011 16:09:04] <nyeates> wtf...weird.....as I am working from how right now and not on a VPN or anything
[22-Jul-2011 16:09:13] <nyeates> how=home
[22-Jul-2011 16:09:20] <Simon4> totally doesn't work for me either
[22-Jul-2011 16:09:23] <dpetzel> it appears its looking for an existing session
[22-Jul-2011 16:09:30] <dpetzel> and issues a 302 to the startnewsession page
[22-Jul-2011 16:09:35] <Simon4> nyeates: looks like "needs login" stuff
[22-Jul-2011 16:09:52] <dpetzel> kinda, but never asks for log into
[22-Jul-2011 16:09:58] <dpetzel> it just throws up the error
[22-Jul-2011 16:10:09] <nyeates> so what occurs when u just go to the base url, can u navigate to the KB?
[22-Jul-2011 16:10:26] <dpetzel> yeah I can navigate the KB
[22-Jul-2011 16:10:28] <dpetzel> from the base URL
[22-Jul-2011 16:10:38] <nyeates> what is the URL that works when you navigate manually?
[22-Jul-2011 16:10:42] <dpetzel> and can open most of the links you included
[22-Jul-2011 16:10:56] <dpetzel> the link actually never changes,
[22-Jul-2011 16:10:56] <dpetzel> http://betasupport.zenoss.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=16059
[22-Jul-2011 16:11:05] <dpetzel> seems to just refrsh the frame
[22-Jul-2011 16:11:18] <nyeates> weird.....i wonder if you have to go through the base URL first to get a session ID or something
[22-Jul-2011 16:11:26] <dpetzel> thats my guess
[22-Jul-2011 16:11:52] <dpetzel> if i take your kb splace
[22-Jul-2011 16:12:11] <dpetzel> splash link and paste into a browser window (new tab) AFTER hitting the base it works fine
[22-Jul-2011 16:12:25] <nyeates> well that would suck....as we want to be able to link to URLs of these easily
[22-Jul-2011 16:12:40] <nyeates> i guess lemme go change those URL links to the base one
[22-Jul-2011 16:12:48] <dpetzel> sorry to bear the bad news
[22-Jul-2011 16:13:01] <dpetzel> == "(
[22-Jul-2011 16:13:05] <dpetzel> damn I cant type
[22-Jul-2011 16:13:09] <dpetzel> is what I meant
[22-Jul-2011 16:14:24] <nyeates> yeah if i go to new browser, it does it there too
[22-Jul-2011 16:14:31] <nyeates> thx guys
[22-Jul-2011 16:21:06] <nyeates> hope we can deliver some bada$$ KB on that thing....its like 4 yrs of pent up material waiting to be unleashed on the community
[22-Jul-2011 16:22:47] <Simon4> heh
[22-Jul-2011 16:22:52] <Simon4> all the sugarcrm stuff?
[22-Jul-2011 16:33:11] <nyeates> yes
[22-Jul-2011 16:33:40] <Simon4> yup, is a great KB
[22-Jul-2011 16:33:53] <Simon4> and if you're planning on releasing that it's very much awesome
[22-Jul-2011 16:34:03] <dpetzel> is the KB a filtered thing? I only see maybe 7-8 KB, and I can see in those KB references to articles, I cant find or search for
[22-Jul-2011 16:34:38] <nyeates> Yeah we are in the process of bringing them over to Parature, our new enterprise support system
[22-Jul-2011 16:34:51] <dpetzel> ah I see
[22-Jul-2011 16:34:53] <nyeates> so they will slowly trickle over as we copy and paste
[22-Jul-2011 16:35:02] <dpetzel> cool
[22-Jul-2011 16:35:04] <nyeates> and verify they are still current, etc
[22-Jul-2011 16:35:12] <dpetzel> some good stuff in there, just in the few items I can see
[22-Jul-2011 16:35:30] <nyeates> Thanks for the compliment Simon4....i had a hand in crafting that awesome KB collection :-)
[22-Jul-2011 16:35:38] <Simon4> nyeates:
[22-Jul-2011 16:35:48] <Simon4> I can see it helping a lot with core users
[22-Jul-2011 16:40:09] <Hackman238> nyeates: It's welcomed gesture from Zenoss
[22-Jul-2011 16:43:21] <Simon4> ^^^^
[22-Jul-2011 16:43:22] <Simon4> what he said
[22-Jul-2011 16:55:09] <twm1010> ... i can't seem to remember, when a device status remains down, yet it's clearly up and pingable from the collector, why no clear event?
[22-Jul-2011 17:02:13] <Hackman238> Later all!
[22-Jul-2011 17:02:17] <jellis> what version?
[22-Jul-2011 17:15:53] <twm1010> 3.1.0
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[23-Jul-2011 07:55:15] <Bart> what is the best way of providing feedback & reporting bugs for a zenpack? using the comments seems a bit messy
[23-Jul-2011 10:13:02] <Sam-I-Am> Bart: its messy, but i find people usually responsive
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[23-Jul-2011 17:48:52] <froztbyte> uh
[23-Jul-2011 17:48:58] <froztbyte> what's with the forum spam lately?
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[24-Jul-2011 20:27:28] <_dev_zero> hi everybody
[24-Jul-2011 20:29:09] <_dev_zero> negativeModes = (
[24-Jul-2011 20:29:09] <_dev_zero> '!', # is not
[24-Jul-2011 20:29:09] <_dev_zero> '!~', # does not contain
[24-Jul-2011 20:29:09] <_dev_zero> '!^', # does not begin with
[24-Jul-2011 20:29:09] <_dev_zero> )
[24-Jul-2011 20:29:09] <_dev_zero>
[24-Jul-2011 20:29:09] <_dev_zero>
[24-Jul-2011 20:29:10] <_dev_zero>
[24-Jul-2011 20:29:10] <_dev_zero> So, it seems that negative patterns are allowed for a SQL query, i tried them all, but no luck.
[24-Jul-2011 20:29:42] <_dev_zero> Can I search a negative pattern in the event console? For example, to see all devices except those with a preffix "str". I've tried several regex without any success. I also have seen this in the WhereClause.py:
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[25-Jul-2011 03:29:09] <froztbyte> _dev_zero: I'm not aware of inverse matching for the event console interface, but I've also never tried that
[25-Jul-2011 03:29:21] <froztbyte> would be cool if you find a way to do it though, let us know!
[25-Jul-2011 03:40:28] <_dev_zero> i do it manually setting a mark of ack in those events i know an then showing all events except with that mark of ack
[25-Jul-2011 03:41:03] <_dev_zero> its far from perfect but its better than nothing
[25-Jul-2011 03:45:00] <_dev_zero> its a way to say i tell you what i dont want to see, so now show me just the opposite
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[25-Jul-2011 05:02:36] <tsener> hello
[25-Jul-2011 05:02:47] <tsener> is there a way to increase the timeout for WMI queries ?
[25-Jul-2011 05:04:32] <tsener> Would increasing zCollectorClientTimeout do the trick ?
[25-Jul-2011 06:42:32] <mf2hd> tsener: zenperfwmi => queryTimeout => "The number of milliseconds to wait for WMI query to respond. Overrides the server settings."
[25-Jul-2011 06:46:02] <mf2hd> it was somewhere else too, but can't remember where =)
[25-Jul-2011 07:23:54] <Morthez_> is there a documented way to move the MySQL path with it's databases?
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[25-Jul-2011 07:33:42] <tsener> mf2hd: where are this settings ?
[25-Jul-2011 07:34:41] <tsener> ahh found it
[25-Jul-2011 07:35:05] <mf2hd> sorry, i was afk =)
[25-Jul-2011 07:35:50] <mf2hd> settings => daemons => config, but there is probably more appropriate setting somewhere else, because i did not use that one when in same situation as you
[25-Jul-2011 08:08:19] <tsener> well there is no such setting at zProperties
[25-Jul-2011 08:09:56] <tsener> guess this seting should do the work
[25-Jul-2011 08:17:12] <Hackman238> Hello all!
[25-Jul-2011 08:18:20] <klone> howdy
[25-Jul-2011 08:26:41] <Hackman238> klone: Good weekend?
[25-Jul-2011 08:28:37] <klone> Hackman238 - yeah, grilled some burgers and hung out by the pool ... other than that, i didn't get anything productive done.
[25-Jul-2011 08:32:32] <Hackman238> klone: Sounds pretty good
[25-Jul-2011 08:33:20] <Hackman238> klone: Quick question, you you dont mind
[25-Jul-2011 08:33:28] <Hackman238> klone: find /proc -maxdepth 1 -user zenoss -type d -mmin +60 -exec basename {} \; | xargs ps | grep zenoss_discovery| awk '{ print $1 }'
[25-Jul-2011 08:34:22] <Hackman238> klone: We're finding our zendiscs are piling up at our large DC. Is my foo above correct for findind processes older than 60 minutes?
[25-Jul-2011 08:39:15] <klone> Hackman238 - that looks right. any idea how long they're sticking around for?
[25-Jul-2011 08:39:42] <Hackman238> klone: sometimes hours...they just pile up since theres so many subnets
[25-Jul-2011 08:39:51] <Hackman238> klone: Its just zenhub shenanagains.
[25-Jul-2011 08:41:15] <Hackman238> klone: After doing some debugging it looks like what will happen is zendisc will try to communicate with zenhub but if the hub deffers communication for too long the process just stops and hangs out for a long period of time before dying.
[25-Jul-2011 08:47:12] <klone> Hackman238 - yeah, i could see that happening if communication to the hub has timed out. hmm
[25-Jul-2011 08:53:14] <Sam-I-Am> mooooo
[25-Jul-2011 08:55:01] <Hackman238> klone: Yep
[25-Jul-2011 08:55:05] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: How goes it?
[25-Jul-2011 08:56:25] <Sam-I-Am> purdy good
[25-Jul-2011 08:58:36] <JohnnyNOC> good morning gents
[25-Jul-2011 08:58:37] <Sam-I-Am> eating some breffiz, drinking some caffeine
[25-Jul-2011 08:58:49] <Sam-I-Am> recovering from one hell of a few days
[25-Jul-2011 09:01:36] <JohnnyNOC> your own personal version of 'The Hangover' ?
[25-Jul-2011 09:11:22] <Sam-I-Am> JohnnyNOC: if you call a big turnup worthy of a hangover, yes
[25-Jul-2011 09:11:59] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: LOL
[25-Jul-2011 09:15:39] <Sam-I-Am> was out till 4, so felt like it the next day
[25-Jul-2011 09:27:32] <Hackman238> klone: Wow we just found a really bizarre anomoly
[25-Jul-2011 09:28:10] <Hackman238> klone: Some how about 8 devices manage to exist as seperate devices with the same exact names and ip's in differnt device classes
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[25-Jul-2011 09:58:20] <SDuensin> Morning all.
[25-Jul-2011 09:58:56] <tsener> morning
[25-Jul-2011 09:59:30] <SDuensin> Today's goal... Coffee. Then figuring out device classes & monitoring templates.
[25-Jul-2011 10:01:39] <johnf1911> hmm, so
[25-Jul-2011 10:01:51] <johnf1911> the interface utilisation report
[25-Jul-2011 10:01:54] <johnf1911> it's quite interesting
[25-Jul-2011 10:02:05] <johnf1911> but I don't quite get what the in/out/total counters are of
[25-Jul-2011 10:02:14] <johnf1911> at least for the average
[25-Jul-2011 10:02:39] <johnf1911> is it the average transfer for the time period times the length of the graph?
[25-Jul-2011 10:03:30] * SDuensin has no idea. Hasn't gotten that far. :-/
[25-Jul-2011 10:03:38] <johnf1911> even max doesn't appear to be the maximum value for the period
[25-Jul-2011 10:04:08] <johnf1911> Simon4: are you related to simonjj?
[25-Jul-2011 10:04:22] <Simon4> johnf1911: not that I'm aware of
[25-Jul-2011 10:04:22] <johnf1911> anyways, anyone who knows stuff about it
[25-Jul-2011 10:04:25] <johnf1911> I'm all ears
[25-Jul-2011 10:04:28] <johnf1911> lol, kk
[25-Jul-2011 10:04:33] <johnf1911> could have been an alt name
[25-Jul-2011 10:12:10] <johnf1911> Column('input', RRDColumnHandler( 'inputOctets__bytes' )),
[25-Jul-2011 10:12:17] <johnf1911> so apparently, this is how it's getting the data
[25-Jul-2011 10:27:43] <rmatte> johnf1911: max is the maximum value for the period
[25-Jul-2011 10:27:53] <rmatte> the average is the average throughput during the period
[25-Jul-2011 10:28:04] <rmatte> in is input, out is output, total is both combined
[25-Jul-2011 10:28:51] <rmatte> the data itself is from the first graph that you see when you click on any monitored interface
[25-Jul-2011 10:29:01] <rmatte> (the top graph)
[25-Jul-2011 10:43:15] <johnf1911> rmatte: that's what I would have expected
[25-Jul-2011 10:43:17] <johnf1911> but, for instance
[25-Jul-2011 10:43:50] <johnf1911> I just ran the report now, for average
[25-Jul-2011 10:44:21] <johnf1911> it tells me the top interface is 46MB/124.2MB
[25-Jul-2011 10:44:30] <johnf1911> I open the graph in question
[25-Jul-2011 10:44:54] <johnf1911> hmm
[25-Jul-2011 10:45:21] <johnf1911> ok, maybe it's because the time period are completely different
[25-Jul-2011 10:47:04] <johnf1911> ah, that's it then
[25-Jul-2011 10:47:08] <johnf1911> thanks rmatte
[25-Jul-2011 10:47:19] <rmatte> exactly
[25-Jul-2011 10:47:30] <rmatte> the time period for the graph defaults to like a day and a half or something
[25-Jul-2011 10:47:34] <rmatte> the reports default to 7 days
[25-Jul-2011 10:47:47] <johnf1911> yeah
[25-Jul-2011 10:47:55] <johnf1911> speaking of which, is there an easy way to open a graph for a specific time period
[25-Jul-2011 10:48:03] <johnf1911> without going to a larger scale
[25-Jul-2011 10:48:07] <johnf1911> and then manually zooming in
[25-Jul-2011 10:49:02] <dpetzel> johnf1911: I'd love to see this as well!!! The zooming gets old in a hurry
[25-Jul-2011 10:49:36] <johnf1911> yeah
[25-Jul-2011 10:49:45] <johnf1911> smokeping and cacti let you enter time ranges
[25-Jul-2011 10:49:54] <johnf1911> I think you can do it in zenoss with a report
[25-Jul-2011 10:49:54] <johnf1911> maybe
[25-Jul-2011 10:50:12] <dpetzel> yeah, that was the biggest gripe we had here when switching from cacti to zenoss was the ranges
[25-Jul-2011 10:50:24] <johnf1911> auto discovery of new interfaces
[25-Jul-2011 10:50:31] <johnf1911> and now auto interface bandwidth
[25-Jul-2011 10:50:36] <johnf1911> are big plusses though
[25-Jul-2011 10:51:31] <johnf1911> though the auto interface has some unusual ideas sometimes
[25-Jul-2011 10:51:38] <johnf1911> like using 32 bit counters for 10gig interfaces
[25-Jul-2011 10:51:40] <johnf1911> unusual
[25-Jul-2011 11:18:32] <rmatte> johnf1911: there's a dropdown where you can select hourly, weekly, monthly, yearly
[25-Jul-2011 11:18:40] <rmatte> select one of those and click reset
[25-Jul-2011 11:19:07] <rmatte> as far as selecting a data range, no, you need to scroll back in time by hand using the arrows
[25-Jul-2011 11:19:30] <rmatte> date range*
[25-Jul-2011 11:20:04] <rmatte> johnf1911: If it's using 32bit counters for 10gig interfaces you're probably monitoring with SNMP v1 instead of SNMP v2
[25-Jul-2011 11:20:09] <rmatte> that's the most common cause of that
[25-Jul-2011 11:20:19] <rmatte> generally Zenoss is very good at picking up on what interfaces are 64bit
[25-Jul-2011 11:20:28] <rmatte> snmp v1 doesn't support 64bit counters though
[25-Jul-2011 11:20:38] <rmatte> verify in your zProperties that it's set to use v2, not v1
[25-Jul-2011 11:23:29] <rmatte> johnf1911: it's also based on the actual speed set on the interface, if you've manually lowered the speed on the interface, even though it's a TenGigabit, it'll treat it as 32bit
[25-Jul-2011 11:23:55] <rmatte> only speeds above 100Mbps qualify
[25-Jul-2011 11:25:19] <rmatte> it honestly wouldn't take much for them to add a date range option, not sure why they haven't already done it
[25-Jul-2011 11:27:34] <johnf1911> I always override the default to v2c
[25-Jul-2011 11:27:37] <johnf1911> and then address issues
[25-Jul-2011 11:27:54] <rmatte> you should just override it at the absolute root of /Devices if you haven't already
[25-Jul-2011 11:28:00] <johnf1911> in the past, I used to need to fuck around the the ethernetscamd things
[25-Jul-2011 11:28:05] <johnf1911> of course I hvae
[25-Jul-2011 11:28:13] <johnf1911> anyways, in the current version
[25-Jul-2011 11:28:26] <johnf1911> it does a good job of assigning interface types to gig interfaces and stuff
[25-Jul-2011 11:28:44] <johnf1911> but on some cisco switches I have, with TenGig ports mentioned in the interface list
[25-Jul-2011 11:29:02] <johnf1911> (thought not actually connected, and no physical module installed)
[25-Jul-2011 11:29:04] <rmatte> what's the speed that's detected for the ports though?
[25-Jul-2011 11:29:09] <rmatte> via snmp
[25-Jul-2011 11:29:16] <johnf1911> it set them up as non-64 bit counters
[25-Jul-2011 11:31:46] <johnf1911> IF-MIB::ifSpeed.10201 = Gauge32: 10000000
[25-Jul-2011 11:32:16] <johnf1911> hmm, it seems to show that speed for all ports that are down
[25-Jul-2011 11:32:28] <johnf1911> so if the port were up, it would probably have the correct speed
[25-Jul-2011 11:32:35] <rmatte> strange, I've seen the code for how Zenoss determines whether an interface is 64bit or not and it's basically just: if i.speed >= 1000000
[25-Jul-2011 11:33:16] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yep, thats exactly how its done
[25-Jul-2011 11:33:36] <johnf1911> I think that's 100Mbit speed
[25-Jul-2011 11:33:43] <rmatte> no, that's 10gbit
[25-Jul-2011 11:33:46] <johnf1911> gig ports that are up are showing a different number
[25-Jul-2011 11:33:48] <johnf1911> oh, it is?
[25-Jul-2011 11:33:54] <rmatte> 10,000,000
[25-Jul-2011 11:33:56] <johnf1911> here are a few ports
[25-Jul-2011 11:33:56] <rmatte> it's in bytes
[25-Jul-2011 11:33:57] <johnf1911> IF-MIB::ifSpeed.10101 = Gauge32: 1000000000
[25-Jul-2011 11:34:04] <johnf1911> Gbit up
[25-Jul-2011 11:34:06] <johnf1911> IF-MIB::ifSpeed.10102 = Gauge32: 10000000
[25-Jul-2011 11:34:10] <johnf1911> Gbit down
[25-Jul-2011 11:34:12] <rmatte> hmmm
[25-Jul-2011 11:34:18] <johnf1911> IF-MIB::ifSpeed.10201 = Gauge32: 10000000
[25-Jul-2011 11:34:22] <johnf1911> 10Gbit
[25-Jul-2011 11:34:23] <rmatte> actually yeh, I think speed is in bytes
[25-Jul-2011 11:34:27] <Hackman238> johnf1911: At 10g, the counters would roll too often to use 32bit, so thats the point where 64bit counters are required
[25-Jul-2011 11:34:30] <johnf1911> IF-MIB::ifSpeed.10501 = Gauge32: 4294967295
[25-Jul-2011 11:34:35] <rmatte> since Zenoss does * 8 to speed in certain places
[25-Jul-2011 11:34:45] <johnf1911> that's a null interface
[25-Jul-2011 11:34:52] <johnf1911> Hackman238: 1Gbit is sufficient for that
[25-Jul-2011 11:35:03] <johnf1911> if you go over ~120MBit
[25-Jul-2011 11:35:04] <rmatte> so yeh, 10000000 is 10mbit
[25-Jul-2011 11:35:08] <rmatte> meaning non-64bit
[25-Jul-2011 11:35:11] <rmatte> that'd explain it
[25-Jul-2011 11:35:11] <johnf1911> you will have lovely sawtooth action
[25-Jul-2011 11:35:14] <johnf1911> yes, it does
[25-Jul-2011 11:35:19] <johnf1911> so if it was up, then, on remodel
[25-Jul-2011 11:35:23] <johnf1911> it would be adjusted?
[25-Jul-2011 11:35:42] <rmatte> <@rmatte> actually yeh, I think speed is in bytes <--- I meant to say bits
[25-Jul-2011 11:36:16] <Hackman238> johnf1911: at 1gb, it would take 30 or so seconds
[25-Jul-2011 11:36:53] <johnf1911> well, I'll explore the issue in more depth if I ever turn up a tengig interface
[25-Jul-2011 11:36:54] <Hackman238> johnf1911: Really should just use 64bit cuonters everywhere possible
[25-Jul-2011 11:36:57] <johnf1911> I should probably say when
[25-Jul-2011 11:37:13] <johnf1911> zenoss generally does a good job of setting the appropriate interface type
[25-Jul-2011 11:37:23] <rmatte> the speed is picked up on remodel
[25-Jul-2011 11:37:32] <johnf1911> and there are periodic remodels, right?
[25-Jul-2011 11:37:32] <rmatte> so if you turn one up, do a quick remodel and it should grab the proper speed
[25-Jul-2011 11:37:34] <Hackman238> johnf1911: I missed some of the convo, whats the exact problem?
[25-Jul-2011 11:37:39] <rmatte> yes, there are
[25-Jul-2011 11:37:45] <rmatte> I think the default remodel is 720 minutes
[25-Jul-2011 11:37:48] <rmatte> it can be adjusted
[25-Jul-2011 11:37:53] <johnf1911> ten gig interfaces didn't automatically get a 64 bit counter
[25-Jul-2011 11:37:58] <johnf1911> but the interface in question wasn't up
[25-Jul-2011 11:38:07] <rmatte> the remodel time is right under settings I believe
[25-Jul-2011 11:38:08] <johnf1911> and, at least on this specific cisco device
[25-Jul-2011 11:38:22] <Hackman238> johnf1911: long as you turn it up and model should be no issue
[25-Jul-2011 11:38:29] <johnf1911> that means that it doesn't correctly report it's interface speed
[25-Jul-2011 11:38:59] <Hackman238> johnf1911: Though automatic models and manual models have had differing results in some cases here, but its uncommon.
[25-Jul-2011 11:39:11] <johnf1911> I don't have the necessary upgrade module or sfp+ to turn it up
[25-Jul-2011 11:39:24] <johnf1911> I just wondered at the interface auto-detection
[25-Jul-2011 11:39:26] <johnf1911> and how it worked
[25-Jul-2011 11:39:51] <johnf1911> thanks for your explanation rmatte, Hackman238
[25-Jul-2011 11:39:51] <Hackman238> Ah gotcha. Look at InterfaceMap.py
[25-Jul-2011 11:39:53] <johnf1911> much appreciated
[25-Jul-2011 11:40:44] <Hackman238> johnf1911: Its a bit messy, but it'll give you a good idea of what conditions can cause zenoss to miscatagorize (usually when accomodating coded in anomoy handeling)
[25-Jul-2011 11:42:22] <Hackman238> johnf1911: Speed issues surface here all the time, generally the issue is the port speed changing before zenoss has remodeled, a failed model, or a user dmd'ing and accidently filling interfaceObject.speed with a string
[25-Jul-2011 11:43:29] <johnf1911> hmm
[25-Jul-2011 11:43:44] <johnf1911> well, it's certainly an improvement over how you needed to work aroud it with 2.5
[25-Jul-2011 11:44:05] <johnf1911>
[25-Jul-2011 11:45:10] <rmatte> I've never had problems with it in 2.5
[25-Jul-2011 11:46:06] <rmatte> and I'm monitoring something like 20,000 interfaces across 15 Zenoss servers
[25-Jul-2011 11:46:46] <rmatte> probably more actually
[25-Jul-2011 11:46:56] <johnf1911> negligable!
[25-Jul-2011 11:46:58] <rmatte> I think I have 30,000 on just one server alone
[25-Jul-2011 11:47:24] <johnf1911> this with autodetection
[25-Jul-2011 11:47:35] <rmatte> correct
[25-Jul-2011 11:47:40] <johnf1911> hmm
[25-Jul-2011 11:47:49] <johnf1911> well it definately didn't work for me in the past
[25-Jul-2011 11:47:57] <johnf1911> though what specific version that was I couldn't say
[25-Jul-2011 11:48:14] <rmatte> 2.4 used to have issues with that for a bit
[25-Jul-2011 11:48:25] <johnf1911> it's quite possible that it was with 2.4
[25-Jul-2011 11:48:25] <rmatte> until they modified the way it handled it a bit
[25-Jul-2011 11:48:41] <johnf1911> that's a lot of interfaces
[25-Jul-2011 11:48:46] <rmatte> yeh
[25-Jul-2011 11:49:05] <rmatte> monitoring 443 devices on that server, most of which are switches
[25-Jul-2011 11:49:34] <johnf1911> you work for an ISP/telco
[25-Jul-2011 11:49:39] <rmatte> nah, we're an MSP
[25-Jul-2011 11:49:53] <johnf1911> clearly not a small one
[25-Jul-2011 11:50:00] <rmatte> we're actually pretty small
[25-Jul-2011 11:50:04] <rmatte> we're only about 3 years old right now
[25-Jul-2011 11:50:08] <dhopp> rmatte: how long does the snmp cycle typically take?
[25-Jul-2011 11:50:16] <dhopp> for those 443 devices
[25-Jul-2011 11:50:40] <rmatte> dhopp: I was wrong about the interface count, there are 30,000, but we're not monitoring all of them lol (that was a guestimate on my part)
[25-Jul-2011 11:50:46] <rmatte> we're monitoring about 9,000
[25-Jul-2011 11:50:56] <dhopp> rmatte: question still stands :-P
[25-Jul-2011 11:51:13] <rmatte> dhopp: according to the stats, between 20 and 30 seconds to collect close to 20k of datapoints
[25-Jul-2011 11:51:24] <rmatte> sorry, 21k
[25-Jul-2011 11:51:30] <rmatte> with all datapoints added together
[25-Jul-2011 11:51:39] <Hackman238> dhopp: It can vary depending on alot. One of my collectors handles almost 2,000 large switches in under a minute...unless some dont reply promptly in the case of network problems.
[25-Jul-2011 11:51:51] <johnf1911> hmm, you're also in canada?
[25-Jul-2011 11:52:02] <rmatte> We're in Canada, yes
[25-Jul-2011 11:52:02] <johnf1911> or at least the blog on your host is
[25-Jul-2011 11:52:10] <dhopp> Hackman238: right..I was just curious
[25-Jul-2011 11:52:40] <rmatte> johnf1911: my host in one of my personal dedicated servers that are hosted in the U.S
[25-Jul-2011 11:52:46] <Hackman238> dhopp: Gotcha. try to plan for the actual cycle run time to triple or quadruple with large counts of devices
[25-Jul-2011 11:52:52] <rmatte> one is hosted in Atlanta, the other in Tampa
[25-Jul-2011 11:53:00] <rmatte> but I live in Ottawa, Canada
[25-Jul-2011 11:55:50] <dhopp> Hackman238: We have ~1000 devices (a little more) and starting with 2 big collectors (quad-quads 16GB of ram, 8 disk RAID 10 for perf). At first I don't plan to break those into "virtual" collectors but starting to think I might have to
[25-Jul-2011 11:56:14] <johnf1911> rmatte: nah, you had a post on ubb
[25-Jul-2011 11:56:18] <rmatte> dhopp: really depends on what kind of devices they are
[25-Jul-2011 11:56:32] <rmatte> johnf1911: yeh, ubb is ridiculous
[25-Jul-2011 11:56:35] <rmatte> lol
[25-Jul-2011 11:56:51] <dhopp> rmatte: ~700 servers (about 60/40 split of linux/windows) and ~300 network devices (switches and firewalls primarily)
[25-Jul-2011 11:56:51] <johnf1911> at least they way they propose to implement it
[25-Jul-2011 11:57:07] <binkocd> quick question, I was looking at the version page in my instance of zenoss and it said the newest version is 4.0.0
[25-Jul-2011 11:57:08] <rmatte> I just don't see a need for it period, there is no congestion as they claim
[25-Jul-2011 11:57:12] <rmatte> it's just a cash grab
[25-Jul-2011 11:57:47] <dhopp> binkocd: do you have an enterprise license?
[25-Jul-2011 11:57:52] <rmatte> and even if there is congestion, putting caps in place instead of improving infrastructure to handle the increase is counter-innovative
[25-Jul-2011 11:58:08] <Hackman238> dhop: gotcha gotcha
[25-Jul-2011 11:58:17] <johnf1911> there are valid rationals for some form of usage based billing
[25-Jul-2011 11:58:24] <binkocd> yes
[25-Jul-2011 11:58:25] <johnf1911> it's certainly common on commerical links
[25-Jul-2011 11:58:35] <johnf1911> 95th percentile billing
[25-Jul-2011 11:58:47] <johnf1911> something I'm sure you have no lack of familiarity with
[25-Jul-2011 11:58:55] <johnf1911> and that could create interesting pricing structures
[25-Jul-2011 11:58:56] <dhopp> binkocd: then 4.0.0 is out for enterprise (new name is Service Dynamics or something)
[25-Jul-2011 11:59:12] <johnf1911> for people that use little data, but want high speed
[25-Jul-2011 11:59:17] <johnf1911> the current plan however
[25-Jul-2011 11:59:21] <johnf1911> is indeed a naked cash grab
[25-Jul-2011 11:59:26] <dhopp> binkocd: Hackman238 has been drooling over it for a month or so :-P
[25-Jul-2011 11:59:27] <Hackman238> dhopp: DFW up to 16K large switches, 9,360,000 datapoints
[25-Jul-2011 11:59:30] <rmatte> johnf1911: my personal server includes 3TB of monthly data
[25-Jul-2011 11:59:32] <johnf1911> and an attempt to prop up content services
[25-Jul-2011 11:59:39] <dhopp> Hackman238: holy crap
[25-Jul-2011 11:59:43] <rmatte> johnf1911: if they were to set the caps high enough it would make sense
[25-Jul-2011 11:59:51] <rmatte> but setting caps at 25GB or 40GB is a joke
[25-Jul-2011 12:00:01] <rmatte> it's just meant to deter people from doing things like watching netflix
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[25-Jul-2011 12:00:19] <Hackman238> dhopp: Yeah, and we're going to add 50% to that number soon...good thing Avalon really is much faster.
[25-Jul-2011 12:00:28] <rmatte> that's really the core of the issue, it's in their best interests to keep people away from netflix and watching their tv service
[25-Jul-2011 12:00:38] <rmatte> best way to do that is to unrealistically hike the prices
[25-Jul-2011 12:00:44] <Hackman238> dhopp: No no, across 5 boxes, each with 2-3 logical collectors
[25-Jul-2011 12:01:03] <johnf1911> bbl, lunch
[25-Jul-2011 12:01:13] <rmatte> k
[25-Jul-2011 12:01:18] <johnf1911> and yes, couldn't agree more
[25-Jul-2011 12:02:18] <dhopp> Hackman238: does enterprise give a way to make the logical collectors or is that all home brew still?
[25-Jul-2011 12:02:37] <rmatte> logical collectors?
[25-Jul-2011 12:02:55] <dhopp> rmatte: running multiple daemons on the same box…so multiple zenperfsnmp, etc.
[25-Jul-2011 12:03:05] <Hackman238> dhopp: The enterprise distributed collectors does both physical and logical
[25-Jul-2011 12:03:12] <rmatte> dhopp: ah
[25-Jul-2011 12:03:13] <dhopp> Hackman238: ah
[25-Jul-2011 12:03:20] <Hackman238> Logical being more that one copy of each daemon on a physical collector
[25-Jul-2011 12:03:26] <rmatte> what's the point of doing that though?
[25-Jul-2011 12:03:32] <dhopp> rmatte: sort of a hacky way to make zenperfsnmp multi threaded :-P
[25-Jul-2011 12:03:46] <rmatte> ah
[25-Jul-2011 12:03:50] <dhopp> rmatte: well the rrd writes multi threaded I mean
[25-Jul-2011 12:03:50] <binkocd> thanks for the heads up on that, looking into it now
[25-Jul-2011 12:04:00] <Hackman238> rmatte: Two things. threading and so that network hikkups dont hurt collection across the board
[25-Jul-2011 12:04:08] <rmatte> gotcha
[25-Jul-2011 12:04:23] <dhopp> binkocd: you may want to ask Hackman238 about any gotchas…he had some interesting issues with the upgrade..
[25-Jul-2011 12:04:44] <Hackman238> ...one link making 50 devices send error filled snmp data or which timeout can kill cycle times
[25-Jul-2011 12:06:13] <binkocd> ok, I am not going to be able to plan a roll out or anything, I have some (read:a lot) clean up to do before then
[25-Jul-2011 12:06:57] <Hackman238> binkocd: What ar you trying to do?
[25-Jul-2011 12:07:16] <dhopp> Hackman238: he just realized that 4.0.0 was out for enterprise...
[25-Jul-2011 12:07:53] <Hackman238> dhopp: Oh gotcha. Sorry, low on threads/caffine today
[25-Jul-2011 12:07:59] <rmatte> lol
[25-Jul-2011 12:08:00] <dhopp> Hackman238: since you went to hell and back figured you would be a good "watch out for this" resource…although the size of your environment poses interesting challenges that most people probably don't have
[25-Jul-2011 12:08:11] <dhopp> Hackman238: I thought you got a CPU upgrade :-P
[25-Jul-2011 12:08:12] <klone> +1
[25-Jul-2011 12:09:23] <binkocd> I am making a list of things that I need to do in ref to our instance of zenoss, including upgrading (currently at 3.0.3), and saw under version that 4.0.0 was the latest.
[25-Jul-2011 12:09:47] <binkocd> Thought 3.1 was the latest and that 3.2 was just around the corner
[25-Jul-2011 12:10:11] <Hackman238> dhopp: killer busy lately. New customers, migration prep, and building my research facillity...
[25-Jul-2011 12:10:47] <Hackman238> binkocd: 3.1 (soon 3.2) is the latest Core release. Latest Ent release is 4.0.0
[25-Jul-2011 12:10:51] <dhopp> binkocd: 3.2 is the next version of "Core"…but enterprise customers got 4.0.0 which has a boat load of new stuff the dramatically increase performance
[25-Jul-2011 12:11:37] <dhopp> binkocd: don't worry, pretty much everybody is confused as to why "Core" and "Enterprise" are now at different version levels
[25-Jul-2011 12:12:06] <jvn> i just popped back in and i'm now confused
[25-Jul-2011 12:12:18] <dhopp> jvn: about?
[25-Jul-2011 12:12:24] <jvn> so ent 4.0.0 is using 3.2?
[25-Jul-2011 12:12:26] <binkocd> That is confusing. Any "comparison" sheet or anything?
[25-Jul-2011 12:12:39] <dhopp> binkocd: ah, that would be nice wouldn't it?
[25-Jul-2011 12:12:55] <binkocd> I know as an enterprise customer, go with what you are paying for, but...jeez
[25-Jul-2011 12:13:17] <Hackman238> dhopp: Let me assure everyone that from a NOC POV v4 offers huge event system improvement and capacity improvement.
[25-Jul-2011 12:13:49] <Hackman238> ...its other features are...well...not useful to us and probably not to you other than to wow managers who are non technical.
[25-Jul-2011 12:13:53] <SDuensin> So are the 4.x changes going to trickle into Core?
[25-Jul-2011 12:14:00] <dhopp> jvn: enterprise 4.0.0 has a bunch of stuff in it…I don't know everything but I know that it has a bunch of performance tweaks (some of which are supposed to make their way to Core 3.2)
[25-Jul-2011 12:14:25] <binkocd> dhopp: it would be nice
[25-Jul-2011 12:14:30] <Hackman238> SDuensin: The ZCA is working to push zenoss to bring core to the ranks of v4
[25-Jul-2011 12:14:45] <dhopp> binkocd: unfortunately I don't know of one
[25-Jul-2011 12:14:57] <SDuensin> Hackman238, why does that not sound encouraging?
[25-Jul-2011 12:15:11] <binkocd> dhopp: no worries, ran into something like this before when looking at different ways of doing the same thing
[25-Jul-2011 12:16:26] <Hackman238> SDuensin: No worries. I'm working to gain the ZCA support backing from Google
[25-Jul-2011 12:16:54] <SDuensin> :-)
[25-Jul-2011 12:17:08] <Hackman238> SDuensin: Zenoss going to say no to us when google uses Core and helps with our project? Seems like it would be dumb to resist
[25-Jul-2011 12:17:24] <dhopp> Hackman238: does Google use Core?
[25-Jul-2011 12:17:27] <Hackman238> Bad news from NSF, they said no
[25-Jul-2011 12:17:33] <Hackman238> dhopp: Aye...epic scale too
[25-Jul-2011 12:17:42] <dhopp> interesting...
[25-Jul-2011 12:17:49] <Hackman238> dhopp: Truely epic scale. Large as our Ent
[25-Jul-2011 12:17:54] <SDuensin> Been working to implement Zenoss here at work. Don't want to see it become "open" in name only like some other projects.
[25-Jul-2011 12:18:18] <Hackman238> SDuensin: We dont either and we'll make sure it doesnt
[25-Jul-2011 12:18:20] <dhopp> Hackman238: I'll make a note of that when I get the "nobody of any size uses free monitoring software" argument :-)
[25-Jul-2011 12:18:37] <rmatte> that argument is BS
[25-Jul-2011 12:18:38] <rmatte> lol
[25-Jul-2011 12:18:48] <SDuensin> hehe
[25-Jul-2011 12:19:55] <Hackman238>
[25-Jul-2011 12:20:47] <dhopp> rmatte: I agree…but you know how it goes…the Windows mentality of 'you get what you pay for'
[25-Jul-2011 12:21:13] <rmatte> yeh, that's what this company is based on and it drives me nuts
[25-Jul-2011 12:21:35] <SDuensin> Last place I worked wanted to pay close to $30k a year for... Perl.
[25-Jul-2011 12:21:36] <rmatte> bunch of microsoft-whooores
[25-Jul-2011 12:21:39] <rmatte> lol
[25-Jul-2011 12:21:50] <rmatte> 30k for perl?
[25-Jul-2011 12:21:51] <Hackman238> SDuensin: *face palm*
[25-Jul-2011 12:21:54] <rmatte> how does that work?
[25-Jul-2011 12:21:57] <dhopp> rmatte: of course, let's be honest, nothing is 'free'…Zenoss Core isn't free..otherwise we wouldn't be getting paychecks to implement it
[25-Jul-2011 12:22:04] <SDuensin> You know, in case it doesn't work.
[25-Jul-2011 12:22:14] <rmatte> dhopp: right, but it certainly reduces cost
[25-Jul-2011 12:22:16] <Hackman238> rmatte: Support
[25-Jul-2011 12:22:26] <rmatte> support for perl
[25-Jul-2011 12:22:28] <rmatte> mhmmm
[25-Jul-2011 12:22:55] <SDuensin> Exactly.
[25-Jul-2011 12:23:00] <rmatte> "Dear Support, my perl script isn't working?" "Dear user, that is because your perl scripting sucks."
[25-Jul-2011 12:23:14] <klone> "your perl script tells the tale of a lost, lost man ..."
[25-Jul-2011 12:23:19] <rmatte> lol
[25-Jul-2011 12:23:21] <SDuensin> For $30k, I want Larry in my cube.
[25-Jul-2011 12:23:42] <Hackman238> "Dear user: There is no problem with your script, but you MUST stop updating using CPAN"
[25-Jul-2011 12:23:59] <dhopp> rmatte: and don't get me wrong…the Windows guys at where I work are awesome, the shit they know and can do is impressive and I have no problem relying on them…just frustrating when looking at different software they don't want to consider open source because of that mentality sometimes.
[25-Jul-2011 12:24:34] <SDuensin> Windows is awesome. If I need a Steam launcher.
[25-Jul-2011 12:25:17] <dhopp> SDuensin: haha…
[25-Jul-2011 12:25:22] <Hackman238> Personally I like Windows for media stuff, DX10/11 games and .NET.
[25-Jul-2011 12:25:34] <Hackman238> Linux or Solaris for everything else
[25-Jul-2011 12:25:44] <dhopp> Hackman238: we have Microsoft SQL Server backends for a Java app that runs on Linux :-)
[25-Jul-2011 12:26:00] <Hackman238> dhopp: LOL Nice
[25-Jul-2011 12:26:04] <hmp> dhopp: thats perverse
[25-Jul-2011 12:26:10] <dhopp> hmp: lol
[25-Jul-2011 12:26:15] <SDuensin> I used to like NET. But everything I code is cross-platform. Mono is awesome but I just don't get a warm fuzzy from MS "promising" not to sue them/me.
[25-Jul-2011 12:26:25] <hmp> i use to like .NET also
[25-Jul-2011 12:26:29] <hmp> then i started using it
[25-Jul-2011 12:26:32] <SDuensin> lol
[25-Jul-2011 12:26:36] <rmatte> Hackman238: it's becoming more common for PC games to be released for Linux these days (finally)
[25-Jul-2011 12:26:47] <rmatte> also, a version of directx for linux is coming
[25-Jul-2011 12:26:52] <Hackman238> rmatte: Agreed, but my linux box is always so busy with work.
[25-Jul-2011 12:26:54] <SDuensin> ?!?!
[25-Jul-2011 12:27:06] * SDuensin uses CrossOver.
[25-Jul-2011 12:27:07] <dhopp> hmp: wasn't my decision…was done long before I got here…and honestly, the setup is pretty stable, usually when bad code gets deployed it kills the app server (just the application instance, not the OS) before the db
[25-Jul-2011 12:27:14] <rmatte> when I want to play games other than minecraft and starcraft I use my PS3 anyways
[25-Jul-2011 12:27:17] <Hackman238> rmatte: I hate to slow up my money making systems with SC2
[25-Jul-2011 12:27:20] <Hackman238>
[25-Jul-2011 12:27:36] <Hackman238> mattray: Hey, how goes it?
[25-Jul-2011 12:28:00] <rmatte> SDuensin: I just use standard wine, it's basically just as good as crossover these days
[25-Jul-2011 12:28:01] <mattray> Hackman238: keeping busy.
[25-Jul-2011 12:28:07] <Hackman238> Frankly the only OS I truely cant stand is OSX.
[25-Jul-2011 12:28:20] <rmatte> OSX isn't too bad, but I wouldn't use it day to day
[25-Jul-2011 12:28:24] <SDuensin> rmatte, yea it is. But the Codeweavers guys do a lot for WINE, so I toss 'em some cash.
[25-Jul-2011 12:28:33] <rmatte> SDuensin: very true
[25-Jul-2011 12:28:39] <Hackman238> I try to use it and I feel like I must need to retard my knowledge of task juggling to get anything done
[25-Jul-2011 12:28:43] <SDuensin> I freakin' LOVE me some OS X. Just not the Nazis in charge of it.
[25-Jul-2011 12:29:03] <dhopp> rmatte / Hackman238: I don't mind OSX and I use it every day. I love Linux but sometimes I get tired of the driver merry go round
[25-Jul-2011 12:29:05] <rmatte> I'm Linux through and through, I only use windows in VMs
[25-Jul-2011 12:29:19] <dhopp> for desktop os I mean
[25-Jul-2011 12:29:32] <rmatte> dhopp: I've had no issues with drivers in Linux recently, the situation has gotten a lot better lol
[25-Jul-2011 12:29:54] <Hackman238> ...and frankly its slow as shit 1:1 agaist linux...I mean some things are just painstakingly slow.
[25-Jul-2011 12:30:10] <dhopp> rmatte: it's primarily the video driver and kernel upgrades that seem to bite me…and sometimes wireless drivers on newer laptops...
[25-Jul-2011 12:30:13] <Hackman238> ...With 48 cores I NEED NOT WAIT! Bah!
[25-Jul-2011 12:30:30] <dhopp> Hackman238: maybe you should borrow some from your PC :-P
[25-Jul-2011 12:30:33] <rmatte> dhopp: for video I always stick with nvidia for my desktop PCs, best linux video drivers out there
[25-Jul-2011 12:30:49] <rmatte> though other video cards haven't given me many problems, other than some not supporting composite
[25-Jul-2011 12:30:50] <SDuensin> rmatte, yea, until MS exercises their option to buy them.
[25-Jul-2011 12:30:59] <Hackman238> dhopp: Oh I meant running OSX on one of those PC's
[25-Jul-2011 12:31:05] <rmatte> SDuensin: then it'll be ATI, my second choice
[25-Jul-2011 12:31:20] <rmatte> SDuensin: and I highly doubt that NVidia would sell to Microsoft
[25-Jul-2011 12:31:21] <Hackman238> dhopp: I cant buy a Mac, I disagree with the company social motif.
[25-Jul-2011 12:31:37] <SDuensin> Hackman238, who said to buy a Mac? Just run OS X. :-)
[25-Jul-2011 12:31:42] <dhopp> Hackman238: I agree with you there….but I do love my mac book pro
[25-Jul-2011 12:31:58] <rmatte> toughbook all the way
[25-Jul-2011 12:32:02] <Hackman238> SDuensin: I've tried...its just bulky and slow.
[25-Jul-2011 12:32:18] <Hackman238> SDuensin: It doesnt scale to use massive numbers of Core like linux can
[25-Jul-2011 12:32:35] <Hackman238> rmatte: Hells yeah. did you get the tablet version yet? LOL
[25-Jul-2011 12:32:37] <rmatte> Hackman238: well, it's based on Darwin, which is basically BSD, so it could in theory
[25-Jul-2011 12:33:05] <Hackman238> rmatte: Agreed, but I dont want to write os patches...I'm to busy for that.
[25-Jul-2011 12:33:16] <Hackman238> Linux just works.
[25-Jul-2011 12:33:19] <rmatte> Hackman238: yeh, I got the tablet version, cf-19
[25-Jul-2011 12:33:40] <rmatte> it's the size of a netbook, but it's nice being able to use it as a tablet too
[25-Jul-2011 12:33:47] <Hackman238> rmatte: Nice
[25-Jul-2011 12:34:01] <Hackman238> rmatte: Very nice addition to the computing arsenal
[25-Jul-2011 12:34:20] <rmatte> yup, I already have it loaded up with a bunch of fun tools like aircrack lol
[25-Jul-2011 12:34:37] <rmatte> It's amazing how many people still use WEP these days
[25-Jul-2011 12:34:55] <Hackman238> rmatte: ...I know...its almost embarrassing.
[25-Jul-2011 12:34:59] <rmatte> yeh
[25-Jul-2011 12:35:03] <Hackman238> rmatte: Businesses too.
[25-Jul-2011 12:35:09] <Hackman238> rmatte: Banks even...
[25-Jul-2011 12:35:29] <Hackman238> *face palm general public*
[25-Jul-2011 12:35:39] <rmatte> there's a business close enough to my office for me to get a signal that uses WEP, I needed internet when we had no power here so I borrowed their connection
[25-Jul-2011 12:35:49] <rmatte> their router has the default username and password on it too, shameful
[25-Jul-2011 12:35:58] <rmatte> I obviously didn't do anything to it, just left it as is, but wow
[25-Jul-2011 12:36:06] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yep. Scarey.
[25-Jul-2011 12:36:08] <rmatte> I'm tempted to send them an anonymous email warning them about that
[25-Jul-2011 12:36:13] <Hackman238> rmatte: You know whats fun to do though?
[25-Jul-2011 12:36:28] <rmatte> changed the essid to read "Don't use WEP!"?
[25-Jul-2011 12:36:29] <rmatte> lol
[25-Jul-2011 12:36:31] <Hackman238> rmatte: Find open sbm printer shares and print out in large text 'I'm under the desk'
[25-Jul-2011 12:36:32] <dhopp> rmatte: what you mean WEP isn't secure…isn't that with the "p" stands for? :-P
[25-Jul-2011 12:36:32] <rmatte> change*
[25-Jul-2011 12:36:39] <rmatte> Hackman238: haha
[25-Jul-2011 12:36:53] <Hackman238> LOL
[25-Jul-2011 12:37:00] <rmatte> dhopp: Wired Equivalence Protection as I recall
[25-Jul-2011 12:37:02] <rmatte> which is BS
[25-Jul-2011 12:37:07] <rmatte> lol
[25-Jul-2011 12:37:20] <dhopp> rmatte: Wired Equivalent privacy..but I was joking
[25-Jul-2011 12:37:33] <Hackman238> The only real wire equivillant is a another type of wire...like optical or something
[25-Jul-2011 12:37:36] <rmatte> ah
[25-Jul-2011 12:37:37] <rmatte> close
[25-Jul-2011 12:38:07] <rmatte> well, WPA2 is pretty good, but it can be cracked using rainbow tables in a reasonable amount of time
[25-Jul-2011 12:38:30] <Hackman238> rmatte: True true, wont stop someone who wants to get you though
[25-Jul-2011 12:38:36] <rmatte> yup
[25-Jul-2011 12:38:45] <rmatte> always depends on how determined someone is
[25-Jul-2011 12:38:50] <rmatte> (and how skilled)
[25-Jul-2011 12:38:51] <Hackman238> rmatte: Agreed.
[25-Jul-2011 12:38:57] <dhopp> rmatte: true..but you are at least getting to the point where only people that WANT to break your encryption can…not somebody that just downloaded a script/program like aircrack :-P
[25-Jul-2011 12:39:26] <rmatte> dhopp: well, it's technically just downloading a different script/program to do the rainbow tables processing
[25-Jul-2011 12:39:43] <dhopp> rmatte: ok…and has the dedication to take the time
[25-Jul-2011 12:39:48] <rmatte> aircrack isn't the simplest thing in the world to use though since it's all commandline, you have to know what you're doing
[25-Jul-2011 12:40:05] <Hackman238> http://consumerist.com/2011/07/man-who-hacks-neighbors-wifi-and-tries-to-frame-him-for-crimes-gets-18-years.html
[25-Jul-2011 12:40:18] <rmatte> yeh, I've read that article
[25-Jul-2011 12:40:22] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ah, but theres a windows version with a little gui wrapper
[25-Jul-2011 12:40:28] <rmatte> that was that pedo neighbor that they had?
[25-Jul-2011 12:40:31] <Hackman238> rmatte: Makes it taste like windows
[25-Jul-2011 12:40:36] <dhopp> Hackman238: wait..did you just admit to using windows ?
[25-Jul-2011 12:40:52] <Hackman238> dhopp: I have windows on my media center, yeah.
[25-Jul-2011 12:41:00] <rmatte> yeh, that's standard aircrack though, aircrack-ng is kept up to date better
[25-Jul-2011 12:41:11] <Hackman238> rmatte: I think your right
[25-Jul-2011 12:41:18] <rmatte> and the wrappers for aircrack-ng are all 3 years old, and buggy
[25-Jul-2011 12:41:32] <rmatte> the gui wrappers rather
[25-Jul-2011 12:41:49] <Hackman238> rmatte: I dont really know, never used it
[25-Jul-2011 12:41:54] * rmatte nods
[25-Jul-2011 12:42:16] <dhopp> Hackman238: I don't even want to do that :-P…working on getting XBMC running on ubuntu because I want to see if the nvidia ion chipset is all it's cracked up to be
[25-Jul-2011 12:42:22] <Hackman238> rmatte: In linux though...lets just say its well worth knowing how to use it
[25-Jul-2011 12:42:33] <rmatte> yeh
[25-Jul-2011 12:42:57] <Hackman238> dhopp: The problem is games like starcraft and eve patch all the time and make it a pain in the nuts to update under wine.
[25-Jul-2011 12:43:16] <dhopp> Hackman238: I don't play those games..so I don't care..heh
[25-Jul-2011 12:43:18] <Hackman238> dhopp: My media center is media center/gaming
[25-Jul-2011 12:43:37] <rmatte> Hackman238: my SC2 updates flawlessly under wine
[25-Jul-2011 12:43:40] <Hackman238> dhopp: It would be nice to use MythTV
[25-Jul-2011 12:43:49] <rmatte> the only problem that I have with SC2 under wine is when I close the game I get a crash dialog
[25-Jul-2011 12:43:53] <rmatte> but it starts and runs flawlessly
[25-Jul-2011 12:44:00] <Hackman238> rmatte: Mine too but it takes forever to patch
[25-Jul-2011 12:44:09] <Hackman238> rmatte: All those binary operations
[25-Jul-2011 12:44:10] <Hackman238> LOL
[25-Jul-2011 12:44:11] <rmatte> really? mine only takes a few minutes
[25-Jul-2011 12:44:23] <dhopp> Hackman238: MythTV might be overkill for what I'm trying to do since I'm not going to use it for DVR…but I may end up playing with it as well
[25-Jul-2011 12:44:41] <rmatte> I started it up for the first time in months the other day, it must have applied 4 patches in a row, and it only took about 7 minutes
[25-Jul-2011 12:44:42] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yeah, maybe my wine has a regression since I run fedora 15 on everything linux
[25-Jul-2011 12:44:51] <Hackman238> ...everything linux thats non server
[25-Jul-2011 12:45:00] <rmatte> Hackman238: ah, I always try to run the absolute latest version of wine
[25-Jul-2011 12:45:02] <rmatte> best support
[25-Jul-2011 12:45:10] <Hackman238> dhopp: Very true...MythTV has....way too many plugins
[25-Jul-2011 12:45:11] <Hackman238> LOL
[25-Jul-2011 12:45:12] <dhopp> Hackman238: uh oh…sounds like rmatte just challenged your PCs power
[25-Jul-2011 12:45:16] <rmatte> I also apply a bunch of registry fixes to make it run faster
[25-Jul-2011 12:45:35] <Hackman238> rmatte: Gotcha.
[25-Jul-2011 12:45:47] <rmatte> I made a post on winehq about it on the SC2 page
[25-Jul-2011 12:45:48] <Hackman238> Almost certainly your PC cores are fast than mine, I run all Opertons
[25-Jul-2011 12:46:08] <Hackman238> Massive numbers of modest speed chips
[25-Jul-2011 12:46:09] <rmatte> copy of the post: http://fpaste.org/Rqku/raw/
[25-Jul-2011 12:46:47] <rmatte> I run a 2.5GHz quad core AMD
[25-Jul-2011 12:47:05] <Hackman238> rmatte: My graphics are pretty smooth, 2 x geforce 8800gtx
[25-Jul-2011 12:47:35] <rmatte> I have I have a 9800 GX2 Black Edition
[25-Jul-2011 12:47:39] <Hackman238> rmatte: media center has 2 x 12 core opterons at 2.2ghz
[25-Jul-2011 12:47:52] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yeah your card way faster
[25-Jul-2011 12:48:01] <rmatte> 1GB video memory with gpu factory overclocked to 700Mhz
[25-Jul-2011 12:48:15] <rmatte> Lovely card
[25-Jul-2011 12:48:33] <rmatte> you have 2 of them though
[25-Jul-2011 12:48:38] <rmatte> so your performance is probably close
[25-Jul-2011 12:48:54] <rmatte> my card is technically 2 in 1, but isn't that what the 8800gtx is too?
[25-Jul-2011 12:48:55] <Hackman238> rmatte: I dont OC anything anymore. I've become cheap....frankly I've replaced like 70% of the caps on those cards the reflowed them more than a few times each
[25-Jul-2011 12:49:11] <Hackman238> rmatte: Na, sli sucks shit under linux
[25-Jul-2011 12:49:13] <rmatte> I don't OC anything myself, but if it comes factory OC I'm all for it
[25-Jul-2011 12:49:22] <Hackman238> rmatte: Rather it does when using wine
[25-Jul-2011 12:49:31] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yep yep
[25-Jul-2011 12:49:36] <rmatte> Well, I use SLI under Linux with my single card
[25-Jul-2011 12:49:39] <rmatte> since it's 2 cards in 1
[25-Jul-2011 12:49:45] <rmatte> and it works decently
[25-Jul-2011 12:49:52] <rmatte> It's annoying that you can't use twinview with it
[25-Jul-2011 12:50:01] <Hackman238> rmatte: Hum. Nvidia binaries or kmod driver?
[25-Jul-2011 12:50:08] <rmatte> but my 30" monitor fixed that problem, don't need 2 monitors anymore like I used to
[25-Jul-2011 12:50:24] <rmatte> I always use proprietary drivers
[25-Jul-2011 12:50:35] <rmatte> they blow the kmods away
[25-Jul-2011 12:50:43] <Hackman238> rmatte: I wonder if my cards arent SLI'ng properly since all the repairs
[25-Jul-2011 12:50:51] <rmatte> could be
[25-Jul-2011 12:50:55] <Hackman238> rmatte: yeah, always best to compile
[25-Jul-2011 12:51:08] <rmatte> yup
[25-Jul-2011 12:51:18] <Hackman238> ...bought 4 of them off ebay as fixer-uppers
[25-Jul-2011 12:51:20] <Hackman238> LOL
[25-Jul-2011 12:51:29] <rmatte> lol
[25-Jul-2011 12:51:34] <rmatte> I don't have the patience for that
[25-Jul-2011 12:51:41] <Hackman238> All 4 worked and still work, sans the SLI which I ahev the urge to tinker with now
[25-Jul-2011 12:51:53] <Hackman238> LOL
[25-Jul-2011 12:51:59] <rmatte> I hate soldering stuff, I have slightly shaky hands
[25-Jul-2011 12:52:03] <rmatte> it's a pain
[25-Jul-2011 12:52:21] <rmatte> (if the fix involves soldering)
[25-Jul-2011 12:52:31] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ah yeah. I've all the fancy reflow jazz to make it easy
[25-Jul-2011 12:52:39] <Hackman238> rmatte: No oven work LOL
[25-Jul-2011 12:52:47] <Hackman238> rmatte: Not that the oven cant do it
[25-Jul-2011 12:52:51] <Hackman238> (reflow)
[25-Jul-2011 12:52:53] <rmatte> I could do it if the soldering iron were attached to something
[25-Jul-2011 12:53:15] <Hackman238> rmatte: Should try a hot air wand
[25-Jul-2011 12:53:19] <rmatte> I can do it by hand, I just manage to screw up sometimes
[25-Jul-2011 12:53:30] <rmatte> yeh, those hot air wands might work, I've seen those
[25-Jul-2011 12:53:42] <Hackman238> rmatte: like a soldering iron but it blows high temp air out a tiny hole so you can solder very tiny stuff easy
[25-Jul-2011 12:53:46] <dhopp> rmatte: you should get two 30" monitors :-P
[25-Jul-2011 12:54:06] <rmatte> dhopp: I have 2, but I'd lose my composite if I used the second
[25-Jul-2011 12:54:09] <rmatte> and two is overkill
[25-Jul-2011 12:54:10] <Hackman238> ...also hurt like F if you addidently get in the way of that air...
[25-Jul-2011 12:54:14] <rmatte> I'm selling the other 30"
[25-Jul-2011 12:54:16] <dhopp> rmatte: bah
[25-Jul-2011 12:54:23] <rmatte> I had sent it for warranty repair and the board was replaced
[25-Jul-2011 12:54:27] <rmatte> selling it for $600
[25-Jul-2011 12:54:31] <dhopp> rmatte: there is no such thing as too much screen
[25-Jul-2011 12:54:36] <tsener> bye guys
[25-Jul-2011 12:54:41] <Hackman238> tsener: Later
[25-Jul-2011 12:54:58] <rmatte> dhopp: the one 30" monitor is more than enough for me, but yeh, I'd lose my composite effects, which is a no go for me
[25-Jul-2011 12:55:11] <rmatte> If they get twinview working properly with SLI in Linux eventually I'll consider it
[25-Jul-2011 12:55:50] <rmatte> the other thing is, the monitor requires dual-dvi, so I'd probably need a second video card for the other monitor, since I don't think my card can do dual-dvi on both video ports at once.
[25-Jul-2011 12:55:56] <Hackman238> rmatte: 37" monitor (not TV) for the media center, 8 x 22" for my main workstation
[25-Jul-2011 12:56:16] <rmatte> I didn't even know they made actual monitors above 30"
[25-Jul-2011 12:56:26] <Hackman238> rmatte: ....always fun to fix the xorg.conf when those puppies get out of order...ugh
[25-Jul-2011 12:56:29] <rmatte> what's the resolution on the 37" that you have though?
[25-Jul-2011 12:56:43] <rmatte> yeh, I have lots of experience editing xorg.conf lol
[25-Jul-2011 12:56:48] <Hackman238> rmatte: Let me look it up, no idea
[25-Jul-2011 12:57:09] <rmatte> k
[25-Jul-2011 12:57:25] <Hackman238> 1920x1080
[25-Jul-2011 12:57:38] <rmatte> then it's technically a tv
[25-Jul-2011 12:57:49] <rmatte> since it's a 1080p resolution above 30"
[25-Jul-2011 12:58:02] <rmatte> my 30" monitor is 2560x1600 resolution
[25-Jul-2011 12:58:12] <rmatte> which is why it's so expensive compared to a tv of the same size
[25-Jul-2011 12:58:34] <rmatte> the added desktop real-estate with the higher resolution is awesome
[25-Jul-2011 12:58:37] <Hackman238> 2560x1600? Damn.
[25-Jul-2011 12:58:50] <rmatte> it's like pushing 2 19" monitors together with a bit of extra vertical real-estate
[25-Jul-2011 12:59:14] <Hackman238> rmatte: What model?
[25-Jul-2011 12:59:21] <rmatte> Dell U3011
[25-Jul-2011 13:00:05] <Hackman238> rmatte: Huh. I thought it would be more, its only a few hundred more than my samsung.
[25-Jul-2011 13:00:17] <rmatte> it's $1600 last I checked
[25-Jul-2011 13:00:27] <Hackman238> rmatte: Well I guess I cant compare that way since my monitor is aged.
[25-Jul-2011 13:00:34] <rmatte> yeh
[25-Jul-2011 13:00:44] <Hackman238> rmatte: No back anymore since I replaced the inverters with non standard ones
[25-Jul-2011 13:00:46] <Hackman238> LOL
[25-Jul-2011 13:00:51] <rmatte> lol
[25-Jul-2011 13:01:01] <rmatte> I waited until they had the U3011 on sale for $1200 and then I bought it
[25-Jul-2011 13:01:09] <rmatte> it was during one of their dell days of deals things
[25-Jul-2011 13:01:21] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yeah looks pretty nice. I might have to jump on one of those if I can find a broke one
[25-Jul-2011 13:01:32] <Hackman238> rmatte: Wont buy it new...way to easy to fix
[25-Jul-2011 13:01:41] <rmatte> I have a samsung with the same resolution sitting in a box on my floor lol
[25-Jul-2011 13:01:54] <rmatte> the problem is, it's a samsung 30" that's known to self destruct because of heat issues
[25-Jul-2011 13:02:03] <rmatte> it has a fresh board in it though, so it should last for at least 2 years
[25-Jul-2011 13:02:06] <Hackman238> rmatte: Best kind to buy used.
[25-Jul-2011 13:02:13] <rmatte> I just need to sell it, then it's someone else's problem
[25-Jul-2011 13:02:14] <rmatte> lol
[25-Jul-2011 13:02:20] <Hackman238> rmatte: Buy up a bunch of broke ones cheap
[25-Jul-2011 13:02:52] <Hackman238> ...I've been known to pretty much repair stuff until I ahve no means of repair anymore
[25-Jul-2011 13:02:56] <rmatte> I would never buy another samsung again after dealing with that thing
[25-Jul-2011 13:03:31] <rmatte> it's a shame too because the picture on the samsung is a bit better than my Dell
[25-Jul-2011 13:03:33] <Hackman238> Yeah all brands have duds.
[25-Jul-2011 13:03:37] <rmatte> very sharp and vibrant image
[25-Jul-2011 13:03:48] <Hackman238> Samsung definately makes the best LCD.
[25-Jul-2011 13:04:00] <rmatte> yeh, too bad their blow at making circuit boards
[25-Jul-2011 13:04:07] <Hackman238> Its the power supplies...the companies try to build them to predictably fail
[25-Jul-2011 13:04:08] <rmatte> it overheats and melts the solder
[25-Jul-2011 13:04:15] <rmatte> which results in flickering image with lines through it
[25-Jul-2011 13:04:25] <Hackman238> dont you love ROHS compliant solder?
[25-Jul-2011 13:04:31] <rmatte> lol
[25-Jul-2011 13:04:57] <rmatte> but yeh, just need to sell it, going to post it on some sites
[25-Jul-2011 13:05:06] <rmatte> might just do ebay
[25-Jul-2011 13:05:10] <Hackman238> ...another POS companies use to help build electronics that reliably fail under thermal stress under the guise of being green.
[25-Jul-2011 13:05:54] <Hackman238> ...they can stick that green in their brown...old fashioned pb rich solder lasts longer and would reduce the turnover of broken electronics
[25-Jul-2011 13:06:18] <Hackman238> Good idea.
[25-Jul-2011 13:06:21] <Hackman238> how much?
[25-Jul-2011 13:06:45] <rmatte> $500 to $600
[25-Jul-2011 13:07:08] <rmatte> probably just 500
[25-Jul-2011 13:07:10] <Hackman238> throw up the auction and I'll look it over
[25-Jul-2011 13:07:15] <rmatte> k lol
[25-Jul-2011 13:07:27] <Hackman238> When youre ready. Im not promising, I have to research parts
[25-Jul-2011 13:07:33] <rmatte> it would really need to be opened up and to have some heatsinks and even a fan installed on it
[25-Jul-2011 13:07:34] <Hackman238> I try not to buy things I cant fix
[25-Jul-2011 13:07:40] <rmatte> which they should have done in the first place
[25-Jul-2011 13:07:53] <rmatte> well, it's not broken right now, but it will self destruct in approximately 2 years
[25-Jul-2011 13:07:56] <Hackman238> No TV is complete without active cooling
[25-Jul-2011 13:08:01] <rmatte> that's how long the boards last because the heat melts the solder
[25-Jul-2011 13:08:24] <Hackman238> My girlfriend hate some of my repaired appliances...everything has a fan
[25-Jul-2011 13:08:24] <rmatte> This is my old monitor setup: http://dmon.org/graphics/comproom/DSCF0380.JPG
[25-Jul-2011 13:08:30] <rmatte> This is my new one: http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/189915_10150124579884547_513149546_6406186_4531165_n.jpg
[25-Jul-2011 13:09:09] <Hackman238> rmatte: Tell me thats a skull mug like the ones in futurama
[25-Jul-2011 13:09:13] <Hackman238> LOL
[25-Jul-2011 13:09:17] <rmatte> it's a USB hub
[25-Jul-2011 13:09:25] <Hackman238> Nice
[25-Jul-2011 13:09:30] <rmatte> got it from thinkgeek
[25-Jul-2011 13:10:08] <rmatte> it's handy because it gives me a place to keep my usb keys
[25-Jul-2011 13:10:09] <Hackman238> Yep.
[25-Jul-2011 13:10:16] <rmatte> just drop them in the skull
[25-Jul-2011 13:10:41] <rmatte> next paycheck I'm buying myself a daskeyboard and new speakers
[25-Jul-2011 13:11:26] <Hackman238> rmatte: logitech z-680 5.1 speakers are pretty good
[25-Jul-2011 13:11:48] <rmatte> I have my eye on Creative T40s
[25-Jul-2011 13:11:49] <Hackman238> rmatte: I have 3 sets, never any big problems, nice sound quality
[25-Jul-2011 13:12:13] <rmatte> http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/creative_labs_gigaworks_t40.jpg
[25-Jul-2011 13:12:15] <SDuensin> Anybody doing a lot of Windows monitoring with Zenoss?
[25-Jul-2011 13:12:21] <Hackman238> rmatte: Oh, no surround or DTS decoder?
[25-Jul-2011 13:12:22] <rmatte> SDuensin: doing a fair bit
[25-Jul-2011 13:12:34] <rmatte> Hackman238: nah, not interested in surround
[25-Jul-2011 13:12:48] <SDuensin> rmatte, any recommendations? One of the guys here has a boner for putting a Nagios agent on them.
[25-Jul-2011 13:12:48] <rmatte> Hackman238: takes up too much space
[25-Jul-2011 13:12:59] <rmatte> SDuensin: use SNMP or WMI
[25-Jul-2011 13:13:02] <rmatte> with Zenoss
[25-Jul-2011 13:13:06] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yep, true true. Looks like they get good reviews
[25-Jul-2011 13:13:20] <SDuensin> rmatte, that's what I want to do. And slip an sshd in there for fun.
[25-Jul-2011 13:13:31] <rmatte> SDuensin: we use a mix of both, since WMI can be a bit flakey
[25-Jul-2011 13:13:50] <rmatte> We use SNMP for the majority of the monitoring, then WMI for Services, and things like Exchange, AD
[25-Jul-2011 13:14:10] <rmatte> Hackman238: yeh, T40s put out excellent sound
[25-Jul-2011 13:14:22] <rmatte> I love the look of them too, smexy
[25-Jul-2011 13:14:25] <SDuensin> He's concerned we can't get oddball stuff like RAID status and backup details. Which is why I want to deploy sshd as well.
[25-Jul-2011 13:14:51] <rmatte> SDuensin: well, you need to investigate to see how those applications can display data
[25-Jul-2011 13:15:01] <rmatte> it really boils down to what the application supports
[25-Jul-2011 13:15:15] <rmatte> I know that backup software like backup exec supports sending SNMP traps for failed backups
[25-Jul-2011 13:15:20] <Hackman238> SDuensin: Some of those details arent easy to get in windows
[25-Jul-2011 13:15:20] <rmatte> which is how we monitor it
[25-Jul-2011 13:15:33] <SDuensin> rmatte, I'm afraid the answer to that is going to be "nothing".
[25-Jul-2011 13:15:56] <rmatte> If they don't support anything then how do you hope to get stats at all?
[25-Jul-2011 13:16:09] <SDuensin> Fortunately, I have a compiler and I'm not afraid to use it. :-)
[25-Jul-2011 13:16:23] <rmatte> well yeh, if you actually have access to the source
[25-Jul-2011 13:16:34] <Hackman238> SDuensin: only if you know the api to the drivers or hardware can you write an app to collect those details if they arent exposed somewhere
[25-Jul-2011 13:16:55] <SDuensin> Hackman238, yup. I'm good at finding creative ways to get into things like that.
[25-Jul-2011 13:17:16] <Hackman238> SDuensin: If you do that then I'd use ssh to jump on and grab them. Also could use PSEXEC
[25-Jul-2011 13:17:29] <Hackman238> SDuensin: Depending on the security needs of the org.
[25-Jul-2011 13:17:44] <Hackman238> SDuensin: Frnakly most windows networks are hardly secure anyways
[25-Jul-2011 13:17:51] <SDuensin> Tell me about it.
[25-Jul-2011 13:18:09] <rmatte> also, a nagios agent won't work with Zenoss out of the box, and I haven't heard of anyone writing anything to make it work with it
[25-Jul-2011 13:18:17] <rmatte> so unless you're actually using nagios, that option is out
[25-Jul-2011 13:18:32] <SDuensin> rmatte, right
[25-Jul-2011 13:18:37] <Hackman238> ...its a shame I wrote an agent for zenoss, but its customer proprietary
[25-Jul-2011 13:18:44] <rmatte> ah
[25-Jul-2011 13:18:54] <rmatte> you should write a new one from scratch that's not lol
[25-Jul-2011 13:18:55] <SDuensin> Dang customers.
[25-Jul-2011 13:18:58] <rmatte> since you know how to do it
[25-Jul-2011 13:19:28] <Hackman238> Though its really just modified ssh basecode
[25-Jul-2011 13:19:33] <rmatte> ah
[25-Jul-2011 13:19:56] <Hackman238> Strips out unneeded stuff, limit use, write tests directly in
[25-Jul-2011 13:20:12] <rmatte> I personally hate agent based monitoring
[25-Jul-2011 13:20:26] <Hackman238> rmatte: Agreed, thats why I dont have the getup to do another
[25-Jul-2011 13:20:33] <rmatte> lol
[25-Jul-2011 13:20:49] <Hackman238> rmatte: I hear agent and the Tivoli rage surfaces
[25-Jul-2011 13:20:56] <rmatte>
[25-Jul-2011 13:21:57] <SDuensin> hehe
[25-Jul-2011 13:22:49] <rmatte> eugh wtf is wrong with our vSphere server today, taking forever to connect.
[25-Jul-2011 13:22:54] * rmatte taps his foot
[25-Jul-2011 13:23:02] <Hackman238> *pictures a manager mentioning Tivoli to an admin and the admin going Saijan and decking him*
[25-Jul-2011 13:23:19] <rmatte> any time "Tivoli" is mentioned around here I roll my eyes'
[25-Jul-2011 13:24:54] <rmatte> afk
[25-Jul-2011 13:27:37] <rmatte> nice, looks like someone completely screwed up our vSphere server
[25-Jul-2011 13:28:29] <rmatte> ah, it finally loaded properly
[25-Jul-2011 13:29:04] <SDuensin> Been wanting a nice Linux-based tool for taking care of ESXi boxes.
[25-Jul-2011 13:29:59] <rmatte> SDuensin: well, there's the perl api, but you need to actually script stuff out with it
[25-Jul-2011 13:30:18] <SDuensin> rmatte, not exactly what I had in mind.
[25-Jul-2011 13:30:34] <rmatte> someone was working on a vmware Zenpack using the perl API but never ended up finishing it
[25-Jul-2011 13:30:42] <rmatte> it also uses bandwidth like a fiend
[25-Jul-2011 13:30:58] <SDuensin> Been too lazy to kick the tires of all the libvert tools out there.
[25-Jul-2011 13:31:39] <Hackman238> SDuensin: Use libvirt for vm management and its pretty clean for xen and kvm anyways
[25-Jul-2011 13:32:02] <SDuensin> I like ESXi. I just don't like that I need Windows around to take care of it.
[25-Jul-2011 13:32:23] <rmatte> true
[25-Jul-2011 13:32:31] <rmatte> I run a windows VM just for outlook and that
[25-Jul-2011 13:32:51] <SDuensin> Sound like me. Except my VM is for that and DVD ripping. :-D
[25-Jul-2011 13:32:54] <Hackman238> rmatte: Outlook??
[25-Jul-2011 13:32:56] <rmatte> I also use it for rdping since all of the rdp apps for linux blow
[25-Jul-2011 13:33:06] <rmatte> I'm still waiting for someone to code one that auto-scales
[25-Jul-2011 13:33:14] <Hackman238> rmatte: One word for you man: pine
[25-Jul-2011 13:33:19] <SDuensin> lol
[25-Jul-2011 13:33:23] <rmatte> I used pine ages ago
[25-Jul-2011 13:33:26] <Hackman238> rmatte: Or mutt if you need to attach stuff
[25-Jul-2011 13:33:40] <rmatte> and I'm aware of mutt, I used it in a script that I wrote recently
[25-Jul-2011 13:33:41] <rmatte>
[25-Jul-2011 13:34:00] <Hackman238> rmatte: Using all those resources jsut for outlook...man
[25-Jul-2011 13:34:05] <Hackman238> LOL I'm JK
[25-Jul-2011 13:34:10] <rmatte>
[25-Jul-2011 13:34:21] <SDuensin> Kinda miss pine. :-)
[25-Jul-2011 13:34:21] <rmatte> I use it to reach all our windows shares and stuff too, less hassle
[25-Jul-2011 13:34:28] <rmatte> they get mounted with the domain login script
[25-Jul-2011 13:34:46] <rmatte> the best thing about pine is that it came with pico
[25-Jul-2011 13:34:50] <rmatte> which is now nano
[25-Jul-2011 13:35:12] <SDuensin> Which I only use to edit my repo settings so I can install joe. :-P
[25-Jul-2011 13:35:22] <rmatte> I like nano
[25-Jul-2011 13:35:37] <rmatte> less of a pain in the ass to use than vim
[25-Jul-2011 13:35:52] <SDuensin> VIM = Virtually Incomprehensible Mess
[25-Jul-2011 13:35:55] <rmatte> I hate switching between hitting "I" and escape while trying to code
[25-Jul-2011 13:36:17] <rmatte> I don't know if they've noticed, but we have arrows on our keyboards now
[25-Jul-2011 13:36:22] <rmatte> 2 input modes is useless
[25-Jul-2011 13:36:22] <Hackman238> rmatte: I hate vim, I like vi...like the one in solaris 10
[25-Jul-2011 13:36:35] <rmatte> meh, vi, vim, all the same to me
[25-Jul-2011 13:36:40] <nyeates> i used nano exclusively for a few yrs
[25-Jul-2011 13:36:42] <Hackman238> rmatte: Wont disagree.
[25-Jul-2011 13:36:48] <SDuensin> joe baby. Wordstar FTW. :-)
[25-Jul-2011 13:36:55] <nyeates> now im trying to get used to vi....more powerful....but more complex for sure
[25-Jul-2011 13:37:00] <rmatte> the only editor that I like as much as pico/nano is ee, which comes with FreeBSD
[25-Jul-2011 13:37:16] <nyeates> ee = extra effort?
[25-Jul-2011 13:37:27] <rmatte> not really
[25-Jul-2011 13:38:05] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL
[25-Jul-2011 13:38:11] <Hackman238> nyeates: How goes it?
[25-Jul-2011 13:38:42] <nyeates> Good - wishing this heat and humidty go away
[25-Jul-2011 13:38:43] <rmatte> the only thing that's nice about vi is how easy it is to do replace all type operations, but I just use sed for that
[25-Jul-2011 13:39:09] <Hackman238> nyeates: I hear that
[25-Jul-2011 13:40:06] <rmatte> we've had lots of heat a humdity here too
[25-Jul-2011 13:40:12] <rmatte> can cut the air with a knife
[25-Jul-2011 13:40:25] <nyeates> mmm, water droplet air cake
[25-Jul-2011 13:40:32] <SDuensin> I'm near St. Louis. Tell me about it.
[25-Jul-2011 13:40:37] <rmatte> we had insane winds the other day, the main stage at cisco ottawa bluesfest collapsed
[25-Jul-2011 13:41:12] <nyeates> rmatte, i think i read that you are a beer fan.....i am curious, what is your favorite beers.... or what hav eu had recent
[25-Jul-2011 13:41:40] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yikes
[25-Jul-2011 13:41:52] <rmatte> nyeates: well, I am a beer fan, but I haven't been drinking much variety lately, I have tried quite a few though...
[25-Jul-2011 13:42:07] <rmatte> my favourite beer is Alexander Keith's India Pale Ale
[25-Jul-2011 13:42:21] <nyeates> i like Murphys Stout
[25-Jul-2011 13:42:47] <rmatte> Murphys is good, I like Smithwick's, Guinness, Kilkenny
[25-Jul-2011 13:43:02] <rmatte> Harp is pretty good
[25-Jul-2011 13:43:08] <nyeates> and chocolate beers.....mmm i had a beer float the other day.... was a Youngs Double Chocolate in a tall tall glass, with 3 scoops of ice cream
[25-Jul-2011 13:43:28] <rmatte> The worst beer I've had recently was Leffe
[25-Jul-2011 13:43:35] <rmatte> my friend had me try it, tastes like ass
[25-Jul-2011 13:43:51] <Hackman238> rmatte: http://www.rogue.com/beers/yellow-snow-ipa.php
[25-Jul-2011 13:43:54] <rmatte> I had apricot beer the other day, was quite good
[25-Jul-2011 13:44:12] <nyeates> worst i would say was water mellon flavored Four Loco
[25-Jul-2011 13:44:23] <rmatte> lol
[25-Jul-2011 13:44:24] <Hackman238> rmatte: Shiner, a local Texas beer, is pretty good
[25-Jul-2011 13:44:47] <rmatte> Hackman238: If I were in the states all I'd drink is local beer, because I can't stand budweiser
[25-Jul-2011 13:44:52] <nyeates> Blueberry four loco was ok tho.... that stuff will mess u up
[25-Jul-2011 13:44:59] <nyeates> Shiner was good yea
[25-Jul-2011 13:45:08] <rmatte> I can stand Coors, but only because certain bars here don't carry Keith's on tap, and have Coors instead
[25-Jul-2011 13:45:12] <Hackman238> rmatte: Also Albany Pump House Smoaked beer is very good
[25-Jul-2011 13:45:42] <Hackman238> *smoked
[25-Jul-2011 13:45:49] <nyeates> Duck Rabbit out of NC makes a mean Milk Stout beer....its illegal to buy in my state of MD
[25-Jul-2011 13:45:52] <Hackman238> ...damnit...need to deciate thread to spelling
[25-Jul-2011 13:45:59] <rmatte> When I was at bluesfest all I drank was Mill St. Organic
[25-Jul-2011 13:46:03] <Hackman238> nyeates: Why so?
[25-Jul-2011 13:46:05] <rmatte> wasn't too bad
[25-Jul-2011 13:46:15] <nyeates> Organic huh
[25-Jul-2011 13:46:31] <nyeates> does it make yer sweat smell better than everyone elses?
[25-Jul-2011 13:46:32] <nyeates> heh
[25-Jul-2011 13:46:45] <rmatte> nah, I found that the hangovers were'nt as bad though lol
[25-Jul-2011 13:46:57] <rmatte> weren't*
[25-Jul-2011 13:47:21] <nyeates> it is illegal because apparently you have to license your beer for sale in any state you want to sell it in....so they are small and only liceded in a few states
[25-Jul-2011 13:47:37] <Hackman238> nyeates: Ah gotcha
[25-Jul-2011 13:47:55] <rmatte> do you guys get Alexander Keith's down there at all?
[25-Jul-2011 13:48:08] <Hackman238> rmatte: I've never seen it
[25-Jul-2011 13:48:19] <nyeates> i will have to try getting plastered on organic sometime haha.... no hangover!
[25-Jul-2011 13:48:20] <rmatte> shame
[25-Jul-2011 13:48:22] <Hackman238> rmatte: But I dont drink much.
[25-Jul-2011 13:48:32] <rmatte> nyeates: I didn't say no hangover, but slightly less
[25-Jul-2011 13:48:34] <rmatte>
[25-Jul-2011 13:48:37] <Hackman238> nyeates: Easy to have no hangover...just stay hydrated
[25-Jul-2011 13:48:48] <rmatte> yeh, down 2 litres of water before bed
[25-Jul-2011 13:48:57] <nyeates> ...this could actually be true
[25-Jul-2011 13:49:07] <Hackman238> nyeates: very very true.
[25-Jul-2011 13:49:17] <nyeates> "yes ill have two pints of guiness and two pints of water"
[25-Jul-2011 13:49:39] <nyeates> and a personal urinal
[25-Jul-2011 13:49:55] <rmatte> lol
[25-Jul-2011 13:50:04] <Hackman238> nyeates: I drink liquor when I drink- just drink a bunch of water before bed and you'll be good
[25-Jul-2011 13:50:17] <Hackman238> nyeates: LOL!
[25-Jul-2011 13:50:22] <rmatte> I used to drink liquor, but it never ended well
[25-Jul-2011 13:50:47] <Hackman238> rmatte: Sorry to hear that. Funny outcomes or bad outcomes?
[25-Jul-2011 13:50:53] <nyeates> yeah im a big mixed drink fan until i got into lagers.....i have a famous drink i made up with a web url...one sec
[25-Jul-2011 13:50:57] <rmatte> a little bit of both lol
[25-Jul-2011 13:51:06] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL
[25-Jul-2011 13:51:20] <nyeates> http://nickyeates.com/personal/recipes/peachshazam
[25-Jul-2011 13:51:39] <nyeates> friggin amazing drink
[25-Jul-2011 13:51:57] <rmatte> my drinking these days consists of beer, jagerbombs, and the odd shot of rye, or when I'm in the mood, the odd ounce of johnnie walker blue label
[25-Jul-2011 13:52:18] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ah yeah
[25-Jul-2011 13:52:31] * nyeates looks up shots of rye
[25-Jul-2011 13:52:40] <rmatte> nyeates: looks dangerous
[25-Jul-2011 13:53:10] <Hackman238> nyeates: looks like your drink too sweet for me
[25-Jul-2011 13:53:29] <rmatte> oh, I also drink caesars
[25-Jul-2011 13:53:43] <Hackman238> nyeates: Sounds like it would be good though
[25-Jul-2011 13:54:01] <rmatte> bloody caesars
[25-Jul-2011 13:54:05] <nyeates> Hackman figured out why its dangerous.... tasttes like tropical fruit punch
[25-Jul-2011 13:54:32] <rmatte> nyeates: reminds me of a drink I used to have called killer koolaid, couldn't even taste the alcohol
[25-Jul-2011 13:54:36] <rmatte> very dangerous
[25-Jul-2011 13:54:36] <rmatte> lol
[25-Jul-2011 13:55:00] <Hackman238> nyeates: I like to stick to booze that I can use for fuel in a pinch
[25-Jul-2011 13:55:18] <nyeates> yes yes....ive missed a flight b/c of koolaid....fortunately its not cheap to make my drink in vats, so u just make a batch and it sets you off for the night
[25-Jul-2011 13:55:20] * rmatte is creating RRDs at 15 second resolution for a year's time
[25-Jul-2011 13:55:33] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL What?
[25-Jul-2011 13:55:58] <rmatte> 33MB each
[25-Jul-2011 13:56:04] <nyeates> thas gonna be a large files
[25-Jul-2011 13:56:09] <rmatte> yup
[25-Jul-2011 13:56:14] <Hackman238> rmatte: Thats going to murder io
[25-Jul-2011 13:56:14] <nyeates> ohh, not too bad....depends how many metrics
[25-Jul-2011 13:56:15] <rmatte> it's what our client wants though
[25-Jul-2011 13:56:33] <dhopp> rmatte: and what on earth needs to be monitored at 15 second intervals?
[25-Jul-2011 13:56:35] <nyeates> if they got hard drives to spare..... and hopefully the IO can keep up?
[25-Jul-2011 13:56:50] <rmatte> Hackman238: it's only going to be for about 1800 OIDs, and I made it so that the only Zenoss daemons running at zenhub, zenjobs, zenping and zenperfsnmp
[25-Jul-2011 13:56:54] <Hackman238> rmatte: Also, the daemon cycle will need to be less than 15 seconds
[25-Jul-2011 13:57:09] <rmatte> the cycle is set at 15, and it takes about 7 to complete
[25-Jul-2011 13:57:25] <Hackman238> rmatte: Madness! Good luck
[25-Jul-2011 13:57:27] <nyeates> good god that is a lot of network traffic
[25-Jul-2011 13:57:44] <rmatte> Hackman238: thanks, I wanted to do minute polling cycles, but they want 15 seconds
[25-Jul-2011 13:58:11] <rmatte> well, we'll see if the cycle time is still below 15 seconds
[25-Jul-2011 13:58:19] <dhopp> rmatte: my question still stands…what needs to be monitored at 15 second intervals?
[25-Jul-2011 13:58:22] <rmatte> I tested at 30 and it worked
[25-Jul-2011 13:58:30] <rmatte> dhopp: interfaces
[25-Jul-2011 13:58:36] <rmatte> they want high resolution traffic data
[25-Jul-2011 13:58:53] <nyeates> hahha, of their own traffic that they are creating?
[25-Jul-2011 13:58:55] <dhopp> rmatte: ok…I still don't get it…but whatever the client wants!
[25-Jul-2011 13:59:18] <rmatte> nyeates: nah, it won't be of this traffic, it's for uplink ports between switches and such
[25-Jul-2011 13:59:36] <rmatte> dhopp: To explain it more in depth...
[25-Jul-2011 13:59:50] <rmatte> If there's spikes in traffic they want to be able to see them down to 15 second slices
[25-Jul-2011 14:00:05] <rmatte> if you spread it out over 5 minutes it's harder to isolate exactly when the spike occured
[25-Jul-2011 14:00:06] <nyeates> g'luck ryan! i gotta bolt
[25-Jul-2011 14:00:14] <rmatte> later Nick
[25-Jul-2011 14:00:39] <dhopp> rmatte: I get doing it more often then 5 minutes…but not sure what less then 1 minute really gets you…is their traffic that spikey?
[25-Jul-2011 14:00:40] <rmatte> I still think 15 seconds is way too fast
[25-Jul-2011 14:00:55] <rmatte> going to do some testing once these RRDs are created to make sure that it collects within the cycle time
[25-Jul-2011 14:01:01] <rmatte> did it with 30 seconds and it was working fine
[25-Jul-2011 14:01:07] <rmatte> worst case scenario we do 30 instead of 15
[25-Jul-2011 14:01:23] <rmatte> dhopp: I have no idea why they want it at 15 honestly
[25-Jul-2011 14:01:24] <rmatte> lol
[25-Jul-2011 14:01:32] <rmatte> but if I can do it, so be it
[25-Jul-2011 14:01:34] <dhopp> rmatte: but if one switch burps that's going to cause some problems….isn't the timeout 1.5 seconds and how often do you retry?
[25-Jul-2011 14:01:57] <rmatte> I left my timeout settings as default for now
[25-Jul-2011 14:02:14] <dhopp> rmatte: agreed..whatever the client wants…I have had to do somethings that make no sense to me but the client said they HAD to hvae it
[25-Jul-2011 14:02:16] <dhopp> *have
[25-Jul-2011 14:02:19] <rmatte> yeh
[25-Jul-2011 14:02:30] <rmatte> I already told engineers here that the request is retarded, but oh well
[25-Jul-2011 14:02:44] <rmatte> if I can get it to work they'll be happy and that's that
[25-Jul-2011 14:03:15] <dhopp> I'm sure it's possible to get to work..it's a matter of how many collectors are necessary to guarantee it
[25-Jul-2011 14:03:30] <rmatte> should be able to just use one instance
[25-Jul-2011 14:05:27] <rmatte> eugh, we have clients bringing on Cisco Nexus gear and I'm not done developing monitoring for it yet
[25-Jul-2011 14:05:39] <rmatte> I absolutely hate the way Cisco did their SNMP on them
[25-Jul-2011 14:05:49] <rmatte> the interfaces don't get reported via standard interface OIDs
[25-Jul-2011 14:06:02] <rmatte> so now I need to write up custom modeler plugins and templates
[25-Jul-2011 14:06:02] <dhopp> rmatte: huh?
[25-Jul-2011 14:06:08] <dhopp> why would they do that?
[25-Jul-2011 14:06:12] <rmatte> who knows
[25-Jul-2011 14:06:14] <dhopp> (cisco I mean)
[25-Jul-2011 14:06:21] <rmatte> Nexus don't even run IOS
[25-Jul-2011 14:06:24] <rmatte> they run some new OS
[25-Jul-2011 14:06:47] <dhopp> aren't the nexus' the ones based on the linux kernel or some variant?
[25-Jul-2011 14:06:53] <rmatte> yeh
[25-Jul-2011 14:07:08] <rmatte> they are new modular switches
[25-Jul-2011 14:07:27] <rmatte> they basically replace things like 6509s
[25-Jul-2011 14:07:51] <rmatte> (though 6509s are ancient)
[25-Jul-2011 14:08:49] <rmatte> anyways, hopefully I can get something working soon
[25-Jul-2011 14:08:56] <rmatte> I'll release it publicly as well
[25-Jul-2011 14:09:11] <dhopp> sometimes I wonder why we have 'standards'…it's not like anybody actually follows them
[25-Jul-2011 14:09:13] <rmatte> Zenoss Enterprise already has Nexus support
[25-Jul-2011 14:09:22] <rmatte> yeh
[25-Jul-2011 14:09:28] <rmatte> Cisco usually does
[25-Jul-2011 14:09:34] <rmatte> but their latest stuff is crap
[25-Jul-2011 14:10:13] <dhopp> well the product is probably pretty stable (most cisco stuff is) but I get your point
[25-Jul-2011 14:10:23] <rmatte> yeh, it's a stable product
[25-Jul-2011 14:10:34] <rmatte> but for heaven's sake, why overcomplicate the SNMP management of it
[25-Jul-2011 14:11:04] <rmatte> anyways, I'm sure I'll get monitoring working for it, just going to take a bit of time
[25-Jul-2011 14:11:13] <rmatte> I have lots of experience writing interface plugins for Zenoss
[25-Jul-2011 14:12:08] <konarkm> Hi I am trying to work with ganglia zenpack
[25-Jul-2011 14:12:15] <konarkm> with zenoss 3.0
[25-Jul-2011 14:12:37] <konarkm> anyone whose successfully been able to deploy it?
[25-Jul-2011 14:13:08] <dhopp> konarkm: I have not tried to..sorry
[25-Jul-2011 14:13:10] <rmatte> well what exactly are you running in to problems with?
[25-Jul-2011 14:13:21] <rmatte> It looks pretty straightforward to me
[25-Jul-2011 14:13:46] <konarkm> trying to set zproperty but cant find where to configure
[25-Jul-2011 14:14:06] <rmatte> Infrastructure, highlight the class on the left, then click the big Details button
[25-Jul-2011 14:14:18] <rmatte> then click Properties
[25-Jul-2011 14:14:52] <rmatte> the thing is, the pack was developed for Zenoss 2.5... and it seems to use a custom datasource
[25-Jul-2011 14:18:00] <konarkm> Nopes no success in the properties I am unable to find zproperty option
[25-Jul-2011 14:21:29] <konarkm> Also, would like to know any zenpacks that would help me monitor my F5-BIGIP LTM and GTM devices
[25-Jul-2011 14:23:16] <rmatte> it's not called zProperty anymore
[25-Jul-2011 14:23:20] <rmatte> it's just called Properties
[25-Jul-2011 14:23:27] <rmatte> [02:12pm] <@rmatte> Infrastructure, highlight the class on the left, then click the big Details button
[25-Jul-2011 14:23:28] <rmatte> [02:12pm] <@rmatte> then click Properties
[25-Jul-2011 14:23:56] <rmatte> but like I said, that ZenPack was developed for use with Zenoss 2.5
[25-Jul-2011 14:24:07] <rmatte> if it were just a regular performance template it would work, but it's not
[25-Jul-2011 14:24:18] <rmatte> It has things in it that won't work with 3.x
[25-Jul-2011 14:24:37] <konarkm> Anything ZenPack available for 3.0?
[25-Jul-2011 14:24:59] <konarkm> Or what changes should I go with to make it compatiable
[25-Jul-2011 14:25:10] <rmatte> there would be lots of coding changes to make it compatible
[25-Jul-2011 14:25:26] <rmatte> 3.x uses an entirely different UI, meaning an entirely different way of coding UI elements
[25-Jul-2011 14:25:32] <konarkm> with 3.0 , Can you list a few.. I am comfortable with Python
[25-Jul-2011 14:25:38] <rmatte> so all the UI stuff would need to be re-coded
[25-Jul-2011 14:25:43] <konarkm> Oh okies
[25-Jul-2011 14:26:14] <rmatte> It's not so much about being comfortable with Python as being comfortable with Zenoss and ZenPack development
[25-Jul-2011 14:26:17] <konarkm> What is better re-writing the whole Zenpack, make changes in the exsisting ?
[25-Jul-2011 14:26:23] <rmatte> you'd have to read up on it, and look at other ZenPacks as reference
[25-Jul-2011 14:26:28] <rmatte> that's how most people learn
[25-Jul-2011 14:26:36] <konarkm> Ohkies
[25-Jul-2011 14:26:50] <rmatte> you could easily make changes in the existing
[25-Jul-2011 14:26:55] <konarkm> And wat about 2.5?
[25-Jul-2011 14:27:51] <rmatte> you can make it work in both 2.5 and 3.x, look at my formula datasource pack, or at Hackman238's ipSLA pack http://www.shanewilliamscott.com/public/ZenPacks.ShaneScott.ipSLA-3.0-py2.6.egg
[25-Jul-2011 14:27:56] <rmatte> they both work in 2.5 and 3.x
[25-Jul-2011 14:28:11] <konarkm> Also, the Zenpack gives me default metrics
[25-Jul-2011 14:28:25] <konarkm> I need to monitor my Custom metrics too
[25-Jul-2011 14:28:49] <rmatte> then you need to modify the template to provide them
[25-Jul-2011 14:29:08] <rmatte> there's generally a certain level of development work when customizing Zenoss
[25-Jul-2011 14:29:25] <konarkm> Okk.. Thanks will look into it.. Any other useful links u would like to share?
[25-Jul-2011 14:29:34] <rmatte> but you either have a tool that's simple, or flexible, difficult to have both
[25-Jul-2011 14:29:54] <rmatte> not off the top of my head
[25-Jul-2011 14:29:57] <konarkm>
[25-Jul-2011 14:30:11] <rmatte> if you hunt around on the community site you'll find info spread all over the place
[25-Jul-2011 14:32:15] <konarkm> I majorily monitor my systems using Ganglia , now looking for a N/W monitoring system and alert system where I could manage all of them at one place
[25-Jul-2011 14:33:02] <rmatte> you could always contact the author of that pack and see if they plan to code a version for 3.x
[25-Jul-2011 14:33:55] <konarkm> Yeah.. wil do so
[25-Jul-2011 14:36:03] <rmatte> quite a few people are still using 2.5.2 in production, which is why some of the packs haven't been updated that quickly
[25-Jul-2011 14:48:57] <rmatte> well, I've got this 15 second polling working lol
[25-Jul-2011 14:49:13] <rmatte> 50+GB in RRDs
[25-Jul-2011 14:49:20] <klone> yikes
[25-Jul-2011 14:49:53] <rmatte> they wanted a full year of fully high resolution data
[25-Jul-2011 14:50:03] <rmatte> no consolidation at all
[25-Jul-2011 14:50:45] <rmatte> now I'm just worried as to how this is going to affect the devices themselves
[25-Jul-2011 14:50:53] <rmatte> hopefully it doesn't kill the CPU on them
[25-Jul-2011 14:56:38] <rmatte> it takes forever to load the graphs
[25-Jul-2011 14:58:48] <rmatte> well, not forever, about 15 seconds
[25-Jul-2011 15:03:00] JohnnyNOC is now known as johnny
[25-Jul-2011 15:03:13] <rmatte> johnny number 5
[25-Jul-2011 15:03:21] <johnny> :[
[25-Jul-2011 15:03:26] <johnny> someone has this nick registered
[25-Jul-2011 15:03:30] johnny is now known as Guest68494
[25-Jul-2011 15:03:31] <rmatte> lol
[25-Jul-2011 15:03:32] Guest68494 is now known as Johnny5
[25-Jul-2011 15:03:35] <Johnny5> so is this
[25-Jul-2011 15:03:36] <Johnny5> hah
[25-Jul-2011 15:03:39] Johnny5 is now known as Johnny6
[25-Jul-2011 15:03:41] <Johnny6> DAMN
[25-Jul-2011 15:03:43] <rmatte> just do what I did, first initial, last name
[25-Jul-2011 15:03:57] Johnny6 is now known as Johnv2
[25-Jul-2011 15:04:01] <Johnv2> sorry
[25-Jul-2011 15:04:01] <Johnv2>
[25-Jul-2011 15:04:05] <rmatte> lol
[25-Jul-2011 15:04:09] <rmatte> sorry
[25-Jul-2011 15:04:13] <Johnv2> i'll have to actually register my nick at some point
[25-Jul-2011 15:04:16] <rmatte> that's my client, didn't realize that was enabled
[25-Jul-2011 15:04:20] <Johnv2> it's cool
[25-Jul-2011 15:04:22] <Johnv2> no hard feelings
[25-Jul-2011 15:04:27] <Johnv2> i won't emopart
[25-Jul-2011 15:04:52] <rmatte> I'll have to figure out how to disable that later
[25-Jul-2011 15:05:11] <Johnv2> not a huge deal, probably not a bad idea to leave enabled in case of IRC hackerz
[25-Jul-2011 15:05:16] <rmatte> true
[25-Jul-2011 15:05:51] <Johnv2> how much did you drink this last weekend
[25-Jul-2011 15:06:33] <rmatte> this weekend that just passed?
[25-Jul-2011 15:06:36] <Johnv2> yes
[25-Jul-2011 15:06:36] <rmatte> not much
[25-Jul-2011 15:07:01] <rmatte> I'm taking it easy after bluesfest lol, I consumed enough alcohol to kill an elephant
[25-Jul-2011 15:07:06] <Johnv2> oh i thought ever weekend was a rager
[25-Jul-2011 15:07:07] <Johnv2>
[25-Jul-2011 15:07:11] <rmatte> nah
[25-Jul-2011 15:07:13] <Johnv2> haha jk jk
[25-Jul-2011 15:08:34] <rmatte> yeh, this 15 second polling is already causing gaps in graphs
[25-Jul-2011 15:08:37] <rmatte> figures
[25-Jul-2011 15:08:58] <Johnv2> what about 15s polling? not working out for you?
[25-Jul-2011 15:09:32] <rmatte> causing gaps
[25-Jul-2011 15:09:41] <Johnv2> did you change the RRA for your RRDs?
[25-Jul-2011 15:09:41] <rmatte> I'll drop it to 30 secs and see if that works better
[25-Jul-2011 15:09:45] <rmatte> yes, I did
[25-Jul-2011 15:09:53] <Johnv2> (i know you're the zen master)
[25-Jul-2011 15:10:01] <rmatte> straterra:AVERAGE:0.025:1:2102400
[25-Jul-2011 15:10:02] <rmatte> straterra:MAX:0.025:6:2102400
[25-Jul-2011 15:10:19] <straterra> LetoTo: eh?
[25-Jul-2011 15:10:25] <Johnv2> hrm i wish i knew what it was supposed to look like, i just need you'd have to update that
[25-Jul-2011 15:10:29] <straterra> err
[25-Jul-2011 15:10:31] <straterra> rmatte: eh?
[25-Jul-2011 15:10:31] <Johnv2> er, just knew
[25-Jul-2011 15:10:36] <rmatte> It would normally be...
[25-Jul-2011 15:10:38] <Johnv2> straterra i'm sure it was a misfire
[25-Jul-2011 15:10:47] <straterra> rmatte does that a lot to me
[25-Jul-2011 15:10:49] <rmatte> it was a misfire
[25-Jul-2011 15:10:58] <rmatte> my client auto-completes stuff with : after it to nicks
[25-Jul-2011 15:11:04] <straterra> Makes me wonder if I'm secretely in his RRD stuff
[25-Jul-2011 15:11:16] <straterra> You're graphing my activity, I just know it
[25-Jul-2011 15:11:17] <Simon4> rra in a nickname in a monitoring channel is risky
[25-Jul-2011 15:11:18] <rmatte> it's because you have RRA in your name
[25-Jul-2011 15:12:02] <rmatte> normally it'd be: AVERAGE:0.5:1:600
[25-Jul-2011 15:12:25] <rmatte> along with a couple others
[25-Jul-2011 15:13:07] <LiamMac> Anyone know what the zendmd variable to pull the "name" of a device is? not the id as that's showing up as the IP for some devices
[25-Jul-2011 15:13:24] <klone> dev.title?
[25-Jul-2011 15:13:31] <LiamMac> I'll giv it a try
[25-Jul-2011 15:16:19] <klone> actually, dev.titleOrId() is probably what you're after
[25-Jul-2011 15:18:34] <rmatte> yeh, titleOrId() is the one
[25-Jul-2011 15:20:31] <LiamMac> that's it thanks. For future reference are all the variables in a document somewhere? The search box didn't find one
[25-Jul-2011 15:21:51] <rmatte> LiamMac: you can go in to zendmd then do...
[25-Jul-2011 15:21:58] <rmatte> d = dmd.Devices.findDevice('devicename')
[25-Jul-2011 15:22:01] <rmatte> then type d. and hit tab
[25-Jul-2011 15:22:12] <LiamMac> thanks
[25-Jul-2011 15:22:20] <Hackman238> ....oh my...found this in a Vyatta module for Rancid
[25-Jul-2011 15:22:40] <rmatte> Hackman238: I want to verify my calculation here...
[25-Jul-2011 15:22:42] <Hackman238> # WARNING: This is only PROOF OF CONCEPT code and will screw up your data # and eat babies!!!
[25-Jul-2011 15:23:04] <rmatte> Hackman238: RRA:AVERAGE:0.05:1:1051200 <--- That would be 30 second steps for a year, correct?
[25-Jul-2011 15:23:23] <rmatte> Hackman238: nice lol
[25-Jul-2011 15:24:03] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yep
[25-Jul-2011 15:24:15] <rmatte> k, just wanted to make sure I calculated it right
[25-Jul-2011 15:24:16] <Hackman238> rmatte: also, the module does work
[25-Jul-2011 15:24:22] <rmatte> lol
[25-Jul-2011 15:24:28] <Hackman238> rmatte: No babbies harmed...that we know of
[25-Jul-2011 15:24:30] <Hackman238> LOL
[25-Jul-2011 15:24:43] <rmatte> ::)
[25-Jul-2011 15:30:22] <rmatte> Hackman238: you have experience writing reports yeh?
[25-Jul-2011 15:30:56] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yep
[25-Jul-2011 15:31:03] <Hackman238> rmatte: TPS and all
[25-Jul-2011 15:31:17] <Hackman238>
[25-Jul-2011 15:31:45] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/5ibx/
[25-Jul-2011 15:31:50] <rmatte> http://fpaste.org/EEnL/
[25-Jul-2011 15:31:55] <rmatte> I have no idea why this isn't working
[25-Jul-2011 15:32:13] <rmatte> Instead of getting the data that the Percent column should be generating I get N/A
[25-Jul-2011 15:32:38] <Hackman238> rmatte: Hum. Let me take a look
[25-Jul-2011 15:32:45] <rmatte> thanks
[25-Jul-2011 15:32:52] <rmatte> it for the ipSLA packet loss report that I'm writing
[25-Jul-2011 15:32:55] <rmatte> it's*
[25-Jul-2011 15:33:22] <rmatte> the way I get the packet loss is that I added a datapoint representing the number of packets sent each test
[25-Jul-2011 15:33:27] <rmatte> then I collect the number of packets dropped
[25-Jul-2011 15:33:41] <rmatte> and I use an RPN expression to display it properly on the graph (which works very nicely)
[25-Jul-2011 15:33:52] <rmatte> I'm trying to do the same calculation to display the percentage in the report
[25-Jul-2011 15:34:49] <Hackman238> rmatte: Looks alright. Try changing Percent to a diff variable name
[25-Jul-2011 15:35:09] <rmatte> hmmm, I used Percent in another one of my reports with almost identical code and it worked
[25-Jul-2011 15:35:12] <rmatte> so I doubt it's that
[25-Jul-2011 15:35:22] <rmatte> but I'll give it a try
[25-Jul-2011 15:35:41] <Hackman238> rmatte: If thats teh case, its not the prob
[25-Jul-2011 15:35:54] <Hackman238> rmatte: Why doing float calc?
[25-Jul-2011 15:36:20] <rmatte> because python is lame about doing division with whole numbers, then again when it pulls the value from RRD it should append a .0 to the end of it
[25-Jul-2011 15:36:29] <rmatte> I was just making sure it wasn't a problem with the calculation
[25-Jul-2011 15:36:37] <Hackman238> rmatte: Alrighty
[25-Jul-2011 15:38:21] <Hackman238> rmatte: I dont see anything immediately wrong
[25-Jul-2011 15:38:26] <Hackman238> rmatte: You get na you say?
[25-Jul-2011 15:38:32] <rmatte> N/A yeh
[25-Jul-2011 15:40:40] <rmatte> hmmm, I'm going to try something
[25-Jul-2011 15:41:03] <Hackman238> rmatte: try just printing the r.Percent
[25-Jul-2011 15:41:17] <rmatte> that's exactly what I'm trying lol
[25-Jul-2011 15:41:26] <Hackman238> instead of trying to pass it though the percentString function
[25-Jul-2011 15:41:27] <rmatte> I just realized that I didn't actually use r.percentString in my others
[25-Jul-2011 15:41:29] <Hackman238> LOL og
[25-Jul-2011 15:41:31] <Hackman238> *oh
[25-Jul-2011 15:42:03] <rmatte> if that's what it is this'll be a "doh" moment
[25-Jul-2011 15:42:31] <Hackman238> lol
[25-Jul-2011 15:42:34] <dpetzel> anyone ever seen where you export and update zenpack, the UI says its exported (wrong version bug aside), but no file shows up in $ZENHOME/export?
[25-Jul-2011 15:42:41] <dpetzel> export and updated*
[25-Jul-2011 15:42:50] <dpetzel> I really wish I could type.....
[25-Jul-2011 15:42:55] <dpetzel> export AN updated*
[25-Jul-2011 15:43:06] <rmatte> dpetzel: did you do export and download?
[25-Jul-2011 15:43:13] <dpetzel> nah, just export
[25-Jul-2011 15:43:25] <dpetzel> I usually do the export
[25-Jul-2011 15:43:30] <dpetzel> and then commit the updated egg
[25-Jul-2011 15:43:32] <Hackman238> dpetzel: Go to the pack in the ui and increment the version adn save. retry export
[25-Jul-2011 15:43:36] <dpetzel> (im working on my dev instance)
[25-Jul-2011 15:43:37] <rmatte> dpetzel: well here are a couple of things that you should know...
[25-Jul-2011 15:43:42] <dpetzel> I did increment the version
[25-Jul-2011 15:43:43] <rmatte> first off, you need to increment the version number
[25-Jul-2011 15:43:49] <rmatte> you can increment then set it back to what it was
[25-Jul-2011 15:43:52] <rmatte> but it has to be done
[25-Jul-2011 15:43:56] <rmatte> otherwise it won't save it
[25-Jul-2011 15:44:14] <dpetzel> I dont want to set it back, I made a valid change and as such want to update the newer egg, with newever ersion number
[25-Jul-2011 15:44:20] <rmatte> I was going to say the zenpack has to be in development mode too, but the just fact that you have the export option tells me that it is
[25-Jul-2011 15:44:21] <dpetzel> I've dont it a bunch of times
[25-Jul-2011 15:44:39] <rmatte> so you have increased the version number?
[25-Jul-2011 15:44:40] <dpetzel> but I just rebuilt my dev instance last night, and now the export doesnt seem to be happening
[25-Jul-2011 15:44:45] <dpetzel> yeah version number was increased
[25-Jul-2011 15:45:00] <rmatte> increased immediately prior to attempting the export, yeh?
[25-Jul-2011 15:45:08] <rmatte> each time you export it needs to be changed
[25-Jul-2011 15:45:12] <dpetzel> increment, save, export
[25-Jul-2011 15:45:15] <dpetzel> yeah all within seconds
[25-Jul-2011 15:45:19] <rmatte> k, odd then
[25-Jul-2011 15:45:37] <dpetzel> agreed odd I've never had an issue before...
[25-Jul-2011 15:45:44] <rmatte> hmmm, you're using 3.x?
[25-Jul-2011 15:45:47] <dpetzel> 3.0.3
[25-Jul-2011 15:46:04] <rmatte> k
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[25-Jul-2011 15:47:49] <dpetzel> trying to see which log file might be revelant
[25-Jul-2011 15:51:05] <Hackman238> rmatte: work?
[25-Jul-2011 16:00:51] <rmatte> I got pulled away on something else
[25-Jul-2011 16:03:56] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ah gotcha
[25-Jul-2011 16:06:58] <rmatte> nice, the Zenoss server that I need to fix is locked up (zope is)
[25-Jul-2011 16:07:17] <rmatte> ah, there we go
[25-Jul-2011 16:07:27] <Hackman238> rmatte: multizope
[25-Jul-2011 16:07:49] <rmatte> that'd use more resources
[25-Jul-2011 16:07:49] <Hackman238> rmatte: All the cool kids use it...
[25-Jul-2011 16:08:42] <Hackman238> rmatte: True true, but you can shrink the caches and use sticky sessions to minimize caching the same objects in both zopes
[25-Jul-2011 16:08:55] <rmatte> there are a few devices absolutely flooding the event queue with garbage on this server, I need to delete the events
[25-Jul-2011 16:12:33] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ah, not good
[25-Jul-2011 16:12:45] <rmatte> does maintenance mode stop events from being generated?
[25-Jul-2011 16:12:53] <rmatte> or is it just like pre-prod?
[25-Jul-2011 16:13:02] <rmatte> I can't remember
[25-Jul-2011 16:13:07] <Sam-I-Am> i thought events still happen
[25-Jul-2011 16:13:12] <Sam-I-Am> they just dont turn into alerts
[25-Jul-2011 16:13:22] <klone> you'll still get events, but the default alert rule levels won't trigger
[25-Jul-2011 16:13:29] <Sam-I-Am> cuz if something goes south during maint and doesnt get cleared before it comes out, you hear about it
[25-Jul-2011 16:13:30] <klone> yeah,what Sam-I-Am said
[25-Jul-2011 16:13:49] <rmatte> yeh that's lame, I need to use decommed, don't want events at all
[25-Jul-2011 16:14:03] <Hackman238> Hackman238: "Its true sandy" in the voice of the huge German guy in 'Beer Fest'
[25-Jul-2011 16:14:47] * Sam-I-Am listens to the ex4500 prepare for takeoff from his desk
[25-Jul-2011 16:15:24] <Sam-I-Am> rmatte: make your own states
[25-Jul-2011 16:15:57] <rmatte> I generally do, but I like keeping them standard across the board and don't have time to update 15 servers right now
[25-Jul-2011 16:16:08] <Sam-I-Am> pffft
[25-Jul-2011 16:16:43] <klone> rmatte, i think you can adjust zProductionStateThreshold to accomplish what you're after
[25-Jul-2011 16:17:26] <klone> or just drop in a xform to drop the states you don't care about
[25-Jul-2011 16:18:08] Johnv2 is now known as JohnnyNOC
[25-Jul-2011 16:19:01] <dpetzel> rmatte: zenpack export issue == ID10T error... So I had a type in my setup.py for my requires list
[25-Jul-2011 16:19:22] <dpetzel> couldnt find any logs, but trying the export from DMD raise a very clear expection
[25-Jul-2011 16:20:07] <rmatte> ah
[25-Jul-2011 16:25:49] <Hackman238> dpetzel: Makes sense
[25-Jul-2011 16:25:53] <Simon4> Sam-I-Am: juniper EX4500?
[25-Jul-2011 16:25:53] <rmatte> well, now I don't get N/A, I just get blank values
[25-Jul-2011 16:26:00] <rmatte> as in, nothing
[25-Jul-2011 16:26:30] <dpetzel> Hackman238: sure does after seeing it wish the UI or a log file could have shared that info, but I guess I cant complain if its my own fault
[25-Jul-2011 16:27:29] <rmatte> This new report writing system is simple, but quite confusing at the same time
[25-Jul-2011 16:27:38] <Hackman238> rmatte: can you resend those links
[25-Jul-2011 16:27:42] <rmatte> yessir
[25-Jul-2011 16:27:51] <rmatte> [03:30pm] <@rmatte> http://fpaste.org/5ibx/
[25-Jul-2011 16:27:52] <rmatte> [03:30pm] <@rmatte> http://fpaste.org/EEnL/
[25-Jul-2011 16:29:24] <rmatte> I tried adding an additional column to one of the reports and no matter what I tried it showed up blank
[25-Jul-2011 16:29:30] <rmatte> not sure what I was missing there
[25-Jul-2011 16:29:37] <rmatte> lots of little things like that
[25-Jul-2011 16:32:26] <Hackman238> rmatte: (a\b)*100
[25-Jul-2011 16:32:47] <Hackman238> rmatte: I just noticed you're not multiplying by 100
[25-Jul-2011 16:32:47] <rmatte> I shouldn't have to do it that way though
[25-Jul-2011 16:32:55] <rmatte> the way I'm doing it is the way I did it in RPN and it worked
[25-Jul-2011 16:33:02] <rmatte> I'm doing b\a
[25-Jul-2011 16:33:04] <rmatte> basically
[25-Jul-2011 16:33:09] <Hackman238> rmatte: oh gotcha
[25-Jul-2011 16:33:12] <rmatte> which is the same thing
[25-Jul-2011 16:33:29] <Hackman238> rmatte: Either way you'd still get a number
[25-Jul-2011 16:33:34] <rmatte> exactly
[25-Jul-2011 16:33:34] <Hackman238> rmatte: This si strange
[25-Jul-2011 16:33:42] <rmatte> yeh, I'm blown away
[25-Jul-2011 16:33:45] <rmatte> lol
[25-Jul-2011 16:34:57] <rmatte> it was working fine up until I started doing the getCompositeColumns stuff
[25-Jul-2011 16:35:08] <rmatte> which I saw in one of the core reports
[25-Jul-2011 16:35:34] <rmatte> I wonder if I can just add that line to getColumns instead and have it work
[25-Jul-2011 16:35:38] <rmatte> I'm going to try that
[25-Jul-2011 16:35:43] <Hackman238> rmatte: I was just going to suggest that
[25-Jul-2011 16:36:00] <rmatte> you know what they say about great minds
[25-Jul-2011 16:36:00] <rmatte> lol
[25-Jul-2011 16:36:05] <Hackman238> rmatte: But I think the first must run to get the values to calculate the second
[25-Jul-2011 16:36:15] <Hackman238> rmatte: try it for the hell of it though
[25-Jul-2011 16:36:16] <rmatte> yeh, that's true
[25-Jul-2011 16:36:18] <Hackman238> LOL
[25-Jul-2011 16:36:19] <Sam-I-Am> Simon4: yeah, ex4500
[25-Jul-2011 16:36:31] <Sam-I-Am> which just kicked me out of login for no apparent reason
[25-Jul-2011 16:36:40] <Sam-I-Am> taking away about 15 mins of config work i hadnt committed
[25-Jul-2011 16:37:22] <rmatte> that blows
[25-Jul-2011 16:37:28] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Oh man, sorry
[25-Jul-2011 16:38:27] <nyeates> ZEP && ipv6 are belong to us
[25-Jul-2011 16:39:35] <Sam-I-Am> mmm ipv6
[25-Jul-2011 16:39:53] <Hackman238> nyeates: LOL what?
[25-Jul-2011 16:39:55] <nyeates> and i say us in the communal sense
[25-Jul-2011 16:40:21] <nyeates> very unofficial....so pretend i didnt say it....but yeah (big smile) :-D
[25-Jul-2011 16:40:23] <Hackman238> nyeates: Backport of avalon ZEP and ipv6 to Core?
[25-Jul-2011 16:40:34] <Hackman238> Fuck yeah!
[25-Jul-2011 16:40:36] <Hackman238>
[25-Jul-2011 16:41:35] <rmatte> zep?
[25-Jul-2011 16:42:18] <nyeates> new event engine
[25-Jul-2011 16:42:20] <Hackman238> rmatte: The new event system and portal
[25-Jul-2011 16:42:22] <rmatte> ah
[25-Jul-2011 16:42:29] <rmatte> nice
[25-Jul-2011 16:42:40] <Hackman238> rmatte: Makes v3 event system look like dookie
[25-Jul-2011 16:42:48] <nyeates> lol seriously
[25-Jul-2011 16:42:59] <nyeates> its complex, but its powerful
[25-Jul-2011 16:43:02] <rmatte> cool, still supports transforms and all that jazz, just for performance increase?
[25-Jul-2011 16:43:21] <nyeates> yeah, transforms handled by seperate daemon
[25-Jul-2011 16:43:26] <rmatte> ah
[25-Jul-2011 16:43:27] <Hackman238> rmatte: The schema has changed, but it does all the old stuff and is daemonized.
[25-Jul-2011 16:43:30] <nyeates> a few daemons added to ge them out of zenhub
[25-Jul-2011 16:43:34] <nyeates> now zenhub can do its job
[25-Jul-2011 16:43:37] <rmatte> interesting
[25-Jul-2011 16:43:38] <Hackman238> rmatte: uses rabbitmq for queuing
[25-Jul-2011 16:43:49] <rmatte> nice, yeh I remember hearing that
[25-Jul-2011 16:46:25] <rmatte> well, so far 80,000 events deleted
[25-Jul-2011 16:46:27] <rmatte> and still going
[25-Jul-2011 16:46:29] <nyeates> also has some completely new (sorta) features like triggers and notifications
[25-Jul-2011 16:46:34] <Hackman238> rmatte: Wow
[25-Jul-2011 16:47:59] <Hackman238> rmatte: Best of all the webui for the event console doesnt suck and is extensible
[25-Jul-2011 16:48:05] <rmatte> yeh, it errors out when I try adding the formula to the first function
[25-Jul-2011 16:48:09] <rmatte> so that's a no go
[25-Jul-2011 16:48:22] <Hackman238> rmatte: darn.
[25-Jul-2011 16:48:25] <Hackman238> Try this
[25-Jul-2011 16:48:31] <rmatte> oh wait, I'm an idiot
[25-Jul-2011 16:48:32] <rmatte> forgot a ,
[25-Jul-2011 16:48:38] <nyeates> instead of the wussy 'where' clause on a per users basis....you make a seperate trigger where clause (deep nesting of or and logic) (where clause on steroids)....notifications are what the trigger causes to happen, an emial, text, command, and its extensible to allow other actions to be built
[25-Jul-2011 16:48:39] <Hackman238> put it back and zopectl stop; zopectl fg
[25-Jul-2011 16:49:10] <Hackman238> Then run the report. Lets see if zope kicks back and useful trace
[25-Jul-2011 16:49:13] <rmatte> hold on, I was missing a colon
[25-Jul-2011 16:49:16] <rocket> but not really documented yet ..
[25-Jul-2011 16:49:37] <Hackman238> LOL
[25-Jul-2011 16:49:53] <Hackman238> rocket: Zenoss slogan "Pff...we dont need documentation!"
[25-Jul-2011 16:50:19] <rmatte> k, so the colon was causing the error, but it still comes back with blank values
[25-Jul-2011 16:50:32] <rmatte> I just don't get why that second function isn't working as expected
[25-Jul-2011 16:51:00] <Hackman238> rmatte: I'd try zope in the foreground to see if somethings happening but not raising all the way to the webui
[25-Jul-2011 16:51:42] <nyeates> haha, something tells me i shouldnt keep that up for too long
[25-Jul-2011 16:52:39] <Sam-I-Am> nyeates: mmmmm
[25-Jul-2011 16:53:20] <rmatte> Hackman238: I'll try that in a bit
[25-Jul-2011 16:53:37] <Hackman238> rmatte: Alrighty
[25-Jul-2011 16:53:44] <rmatte> up to 120,000 events deleted
[25-Jul-2011 16:53:48] <nyeates> Sam-I-Am: ??
[25-Jul-2011 16:53:55] <rmatte> probably going to be 160,000 by the time I'm done
[25-Jul-2011 16:54:38] <Hackman238> rmatte: truncate table
[25-Jul-2011 16:55:12] <rmatte> Hackman238: I changed it from "Percent" to "percentLoss"
[25-Jul-2011 16:55:16] <rmatte> no change
[25-Jul-2011 16:55:34] <Hackman238> rmatte: no zopectl fg output?
[25-Jul-2011 16:55:42] <rmatte> going to try that now...
[25-Jul-2011 16:56:40] <Sam-I-Am> nyeates: community stuffs
[25-Jul-2011 16:56:47] <Hackman238> rmatte: try adding a column to the getComposite that prints a static number to see if thats working right
[25-Jul-2011 16:56:47] <rmatte> no output on zopectl fg
[25-Jul-2011 16:56:55] <Hackman238> rmatte: damn
[25-Jul-2011 16:57:03] <rmatte> Hackman238: k
[25-Jul-2011 16:57:41] <rmatte> Column('percentLoss', PythonColumnHandler('1'))
[25-Jul-2011 16:57:44] <rmatte> should work?
[25-Jul-2011 16:58:12] <nyeates> Sam-I-Am: so a good mmmm?
[25-Jul-2011 16:58:41] <Hackman238> rmatte: I'd think so
[25-Jul-2011 16:59:22] <rmatte> I think it's basically just doing an eval
[25-Jul-2011 16:59:24] <rmatte> so should work
[25-Jul-2011 16:59:56] <Sam-I-Am> nyeates: a good mmm
[25-Jul-2011 17:00:23] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Not the "mmm" from Herbet on Family GuY?
[25-Jul-2011 17:00:25] <rmatte> aha
[25-Jul-2011 17:00:27] <rmatte> that worked
[25-Jul-2011 17:00:34] <rmatte> hmmm
[25-Jul-2011 17:00:39] <Hackman238> rmatte: strip out those floats
[25-Jul-2011 17:00:48] <rmatte> already did, didn't help
[25-Jul-2011 17:00:51] <Hackman238> rmatte: really?
[25-Jul-2011 17:00:54] <Hackman238> rmatte: Damn
[25-Jul-2011 17:00:56] <rmatte> I even tried putting one of those column values just there by itself
[25-Jul-2011 17:01:03] <Hackman238> rmatte: was just going to say that
[25-Jul-2011 17:01:12] <Hackman238> rmatte: Very very weird
[25-Jul-2011 17:02:21] <Hackman238> rmatte: try the dummy column again with float('1234')/float('4321')
[25-Jul-2011 17:02:28] <Hackman238> Lets rule out the eval
[25-Jul-2011 17:02:36] <Hackman238> Im thinking those vars are empty
[25-Jul-2011 17:02:44] <Hackman238> but why is another matter
[25-Jul-2011 17:02:54] <rmatte> k
[25-Jul-2011 17:07:39] <Hackman238> rmatte: Work?
[25-Jul-2011 17:13:01] <Hackman238> rmatte: I've gotta run.
[25-Jul-2011 17:13:10] <Hackman238> Later all!
[25-Jul-2011 17:16:36] <Sam-I-Am> lates
[25-Jul-2011 17:21:19] <rmatte> later
[25-Jul-2011 17:21:49] <rmatte> the float division works
[25-Jul-2011 17:21:58] <rmatte> so the issue is that it's not pulling the values
[25-Jul-2011 17:54:12] <JackSafro> can someone help me out with getting zenoss 3 to automatically detect tcp/3389 (ms-wbt-server) as an IP service when I model a machine in /Servers/Windows?
[25-Jul-2011 17:55:22] <JackSafro> currently I have to add it as a separate IP Service once the device has been modeled, then lock it from deletion. remodeling the device makes the IP Service disappear and I do not understand how to add it as something Zenoss should scan for by default
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[26-Jul-2011 07:10:52] <mennie> 2011-07-26 07:10:10,158 WARNING zen.PythonClient: Error in zenoss.cmd.esx.esxtop: got stderr: 'Require the password to access the ESX server!'
[26-Jul-2011 07:10:59] <mennie> does anyone know where to enter the password
[26-Jul-2011 07:16:52] <mennie> i have tried Enter login credentials for the zCommandUsername and zCommandPassword
[26-Jul-2011 07:20:14] <hmp> mennie: if you have some python knowledge i suggest going for the source
[26-Jul-2011 07:20:34] <hmp> i found some things much easier to find in the code than in documentation
[26-Jul-2011 07:20:54] <mennie> i have not
[26-Jul-2011 07:27:02] <mennie> i have a seperate collector
[26-Jul-2011 08:21:45] <mennie> another thing is that i have no graphs
[26-Jul-2011 08:44:24] <mennie> 'zenrender' object has no attribute 'remote_'
[26-Jul-2011 08:44:37] <mennie> when i browse to http://collector1:8091
[26-Jul-2011 08:49:54] <klone> mennie, the commands that are being sent by esxtop are looking at the 'zVMwareViEndpointUser' and 'zVMwareViEndpointPassword' settings to authenticate
[26-Jul-2011 08:50:54] <mennie> klone: hmm, they are not in my Configuration Properties
[26-Jul-2011 08:52:13] <klone> mennie - can you pull up the list of templates bound to the class that VM device is in? what does it show?
[26-Jul-2011 08:52:59] <mennie> klone: what do you mean by that
[26-Jul-2011 08:56:28] <klone> mennie - try this -> go to 'Advanced' -> 'Monitoring Templates' -> locate the 'VMwareGuest_esxtop' template, expand it, and then select the '/VMware' entry beneath it
[26-Jul-2011 08:57:21] <klone> over on the right where it shows the datasources, double click on one to open it, and you can see what's it's sending, and what zprops it's referencing
[26-Jul-2011 08:58:48] <Gat0rvean> anyone around that could help with a MIB import issue?
[26-Jul-2011 09:02:09] <mennie> klone: tnx, now i understand, i filled the wrong password field
[26-Jul-2011 09:08:54] <Gat0rvean> I'm getting an error when importing a vendor specific mib, way to long to paste here, but basically it imports all the modules, with no nodes
[26-Jul-2011 09:41:09] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk
[26-Jul-2011 09:41:35] <rmatte> mennie: a heads up, the esxtop ZenPack is super heavy on resource utilization
[26-Jul-2011 09:42:17] <mennie> ok, well for now i am just monitoring the host that zenoss is running on
[26-Jul-2011 09:54:15] <SDuensin> Greetings.
[26-Jul-2011 10:05:58] <rmatte> mattray: hey
[26-Jul-2011 10:06:11] <mattray> morning
[26-Jul-2011 10:06:48] <rmatte> mattray: do you have experience coding reports with the new alias system functions?
[26-Jul-2011 10:08:10] <mattray> rmatte: nothing I've touched in the last year
[26-Jul-2011 10:08:17] <rmatte> k
[26-Jul-2011 10:08:23] <mattray> I think there are examples in some of the existing reports
[26-Jul-2011 10:08:31] <rmatte> I'm just stumped on some code that should be working but isn't, going to comb over it again
[26-Jul-2011 10:08:40] <rmatte> yeh I followed the examples in the existing ones
[26-Jul-2011 10:08:45] <rmatte> and by all rights it should be working
[26-Jul-2011 10:08:51] <rmatte> there must be something tiny that I'm missing
[26-Jul-2011 10:11:06] <JohnnyNOC> you mean like an extra space somewhere?
[26-Jul-2011 10:11:13] <JohnnyNOC> ^-- one of my peeves regarding python
[26-Jul-2011 10:11:13] <JohnnyNOC>
[26-Jul-2011 10:12:11] <rmatte> nah, nothing like that
[26-Jul-2011 10:12:17] <rmatte> I rarely every make indentation errors
[26-Jul-2011 10:12:21] <rmatte> it's something else
[26-Jul-2011 10:12:55] <rmatte> I'm defining columns the same way as is done in the code for the interface utilization report
[26-Jul-2011 10:13:07] <rmatte> and yet it's ignoring any data columns except for the last one
[26-Jul-2011 10:13:20] <rmatte> for instance, if I define device, component, col1, col2, col3
[26-Jul-2011 10:13:36] <rmatte> it recognizes device and component, but completely ignores col1 and col2
[26-Jul-2011 10:13:47] <rmatte> if I comment out col3 it uses col2 and ignores col1
[26-Jul-2011 10:13:49] <rmatte> and so on
[26-Jul-2011 10:14:15] <rmatte> I can't for the life of me figure out why since there's no difference in the layout of the code that I can see when comparing it to the interface report
[26-Jul-2011 10:14:33] <JohnnyNOC> fpaste it, maybe a 2nd set of eyes will help
[26-Jul-2011 10:14:51] <rmatte> I had hackman looking at it yesterday and he couldn't see anything wrong either lol, but alright
[26-Jul-2011 10:14:53] <rmatte> one sec
[26-Jul-2011 10:15:11] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238's a noob jk
[26-Jul-2011 10:15:17] <rmatte> lol
[26-Jul-2011 10:16:06] <rmatte> here's the tales file: http://fpaste.org/geKB/
[26-Jul-2011 10:17:29] <rmatte> Here's the python plugin: http://fpaste.org/WmsW/
[26-Jul-2011 10:18:00] <rmatte> now, the thing to note in the plugin, if I use plain numbers in the composite column, it works...
[26-Jul-2011 10:18:09] <rmatte> but it's like the 2 columns above it don't exist
[26-Jul-2011 10:18:42] <rmatte> yet if I comment out the composite function completely, and comment out the sentPkts column, then rename the droppedPkts column to percentLoss, the value gets displayed in the report
[26-Jul-2011 10:19:12] <rmatte> if I uncomment the sentPkts column and name it percentLoss while rename the droppedPkts column to it's original name, I then see the values for sentPkts in the report
[26-Jul-2011 10:19:19] <rmatte> it's like only the last column can actually exist
[26-Jul-2011 10:19:44] <rmatte> and I have no idea why since the interface utilization report scripts is identical
[26-Jul-2011 10:19:54] <JohnnyNOC> hrm yea i don't see anything that jumps out as a problem, and i'm not familiar with the TALES files ... boo
[26-Jul-2011 10:19:55] <rmatte> I wonder if I'm maybe missing something in the tales file
[26-Jul-2011 10:21:02] <rmatte> I've gone over the tales file though and it's basically identical
[26-Jul-2011 10:21:08] <rmatte> if it's something in there it's something small
[26-Jul-2011 10:21:45] <JohnnyNOC> well hopefully klone or simonjj or rocket can get some infos
[26-Jul-2011 10:22:16] <mennie> i can't figure out why my Graphs screen remains empty, changed all the config files on the collector, snmpd is running, zenrender and zenmodeler are running
[26-Jul-2011 10:23:57] <rmatte> mennie it's completely empty?
[26-Jul-2011 10:24:08] <mennie> yes
[26-Jul-2011 10:24:16] <rmatte> then you haven't bound the template to the class
[26-Jul-2011 10:24:36] <rmatte> templates need to be bound to classes to work
[26-Jul-2011 10:26:00] <mennie> ehhh
[26-Jul-2011 10:34:46] <rmatte> there's a difference between empty and completely empty
[26-Jul-2011 10:34:54] <rmatte> if it's empty, you'll see where the graphs should show up
[26-Jul-2011 10:35:00] <rmatte> the arrows that would be above them
[26-Jul-2011 10:35:10] <mennie> it is completely empty
[26-Jul-2011 10:35:12] <rmatte> if it's completely empty you'll just have a white screen and that's it
[26-Jul-2011 10:35:26] <rmatte> If you just have a white screen it means the template is not bound to the class
[26-Jul-2011 10:36:29] <mennie> when i look at components > interfaces, i see some buttons to zoom
[26-Jul-2011 10:36:44] <rmatte> so it's interface graphs that aren't showing up?
[26-Jul-2011 10:36:49] <rmatte> I thought it was device performance graphs
[26-Jul-2011 10:36:56] <mennie> both
[26-Jul-2011 10:37:15] <rmatte> either way, if you see no buttons to zoom, you don't have templates bound, if you see buttons to zoom it's a genuine problem
[26-Jul-2011 10:39:37] <rmatte> mennie: can you fpaste the config from the collector?
[26-Jul-2011 10:39:43] <rmatte> you probably have something configured wrong
[26-Jul-2011 10:41:00] <mennie> what output do you need
[26-Jul-2011 10:41:17] <rmatte> you said you edited a config file on the collector
[26-Jul-2011 10:41:20] <rmatte> I want to see that config file
[26-Jul-2011 10:41:58] <rmatte> by the way, what steps are you following?
[26-Jul-2011 10:42:07] <rmatte> you are aware that there's a ZenPack that assists in collector setup right?
[26-Jul-2011 10:42:46] <mennie> i mean like this
[26-Jul-2011 10:42:47] <mennie> [root@collector1 ~]# cat /opt/zenoss/etc/zenrender.conf
[26-Jul-2011 10:42:47] <mennie> #PARAMETER VALUE
[26-Jul-2011 10:42:47] <mennie> monitor collector1
[26-Jul-2011 10:42:47] <mennie> hubhost server
[26-Jul-2011 10:43:07] <rmatte> did you replace collector1 or is that the actual value you have set?
[26-Jul-2011 10:43:08] <mennie> i have that ZenPack, it works
[26-Jul-2011 10:43:14] <mennie> i set it
[26-Jul-2011 10:43:25] <rmatte> your hubhost is literally "server"?
[26-Jul-2011 10:43:30] <mennie> yes
[26-Jul-2011 10:43:42] <mennie> that is the one running ZenPack
[26-Jul-2011 10:44:14] <rmatte> you followed the instructions for the Zenpack right?
[26-Jul-2011 10:44:15] <mennie> i set up /etc/hosts on both machines (it's a test setup)
[26-Jul-2011 10:44:21] <rmatte> you're supposed to setup passwordless SSH access
[26-Jul-2011 10:44:23] <mennie> yes
[26-Jul-2011 10:44:26] <mennie> i did
[26-Jul-2011 10:44:43] <rmatte> did you edit anything by hand? because you should not have had to
[26-Jul-2011 10:44:51] <mennie> Model Device works
[26-Jul-2011 10:44:52] <rmatte> if you did, then you did something wrong
[26-Jul-2011 10:45:05] <rmatte> that's because the device modeling happens from the main server, not from the collector
[26-Jul-2011 10:45:18] <mennie> hmm
[26-Jul-2011 10:45:58] <mennie> then something in the setup went wrong
[26-Jul-2011 10:46:18] <rmatte> no, I'm pretty sure it always models from the main server
[26-Jul-2011 10:46:20] <rmatte> no matter what
[26-Jul-2011 10:46:25] <rmatte> it's just the way it's coded unfortunately
[26-Jul-2011 10:46:39] <rmatte> you are using this ZenPack right?: docs/DOC-5861
[26-Jul-2011 10:47:18] <rmatte> For the SSH, there are several steps
[26-Jul-2011 10:47:23] <rmatte> first you basically need to do this: http://community.spiceworks.com/education/projects/Passwordless_SSH_Using_Shared_Keys
[26-Jul-2011 10:47:55] <rmatte> then you need to type "env" as the Zenoss user, and populate /home/zenoss/.ssh/environment with the output from that command
[26-Jul-2011 10:48:00] <mennie> yes i did that, but first i did it on IP base
[26-Jul-2011 10:48:11] <mennie> and after i got an error with model device
[26-Jul-2011 10:48:16] <rmatte> you can just do: env > /home/zenoss/.ssh/environment as the zenoss user
[26-Jul-2011 10:48:19] <mennie> and i accepted the key again, for the hostname
[26-Jul-2011 10:48:30] <rmatte> did you populate the environment file?
[26-Jul-2011 10:48:33] <rmatte> it's very important
[26-Jul-2011 10:48:51] <rmatte> oh, and one more thing you need to do...
[26-Jul-2011 10:49:07] <rmatte> edit your /etc/ssh/sshd_config file and add the following line to the end of it...
[26-Jul-2011 10:49:13] <rmatte> PermitUserEnvironment yes
[26-Jul-2011 10:49:18] <rmatte> then restart sshd
[26-Jul-2011 10:49:46] <rmatte> if you didn't do those two things then the pack wouldn't have fully configured it properly
[26-Jul-2011 10:50:48] <mennie> ok then i will start over
[26-Jul-2011 10:51:34] <dec3pti01> is it possible to create a copy of a template under the same device or class ? In this case the HttpMonitor one ? I need to use that to check 3 ports on the same system
[26-Jul-2011 10:51:52] <rmatte> dec3pti01: yes, use the override option to do it
[26-Jul-2011 10:52:13] <rmatte> dec3pti01: actually wait, what version of Zenoss are you running?
[26-Jul-2011 10:52:18] <dec3pti01> yeah I did that which created the Locally define
[26-Jul-2011 10:52:20] <dec3pti01> 3.1
[26-Jul-2011 10:52:36] <rmatte> use override but select the same location
[26-Jul-2011 10:52:40] <dec3pti01> but I can only do that once
[26-Jul-2011 10:52:47] <rmatte> you should see an option like: /HTTP (Create Copy)
[26-Jul-2011 10:52:49] <rmatte> in the dropdown
[26-Jul-2011 10:53:00] <dec3pti01> ok let me check
[26-Jul-2011 10:53:05] <rmatte> once it creates the copy at the same location it'll be called copy_of_HttpMonitor
[26-Jul-2011 10:53:10] <rmatte> then you just need to rename it to whatever
[26-Jul-2011 10:53:49] <dec3pti01> alright let me remove the template and start over
[26-Jul-2011 10:53:54] <rmatte> k
[26-Jul-2011 10:54:12] <rmatte> well if you already started one you can always copy it back to the class you want it in
[26-Jul-2011 10:54:30] <rmatte> it won't overwrite the old one
[26-Jul-2011 10:54:34] <rmatte> it'll just do the same thing
[26-Jul-2011 10:54:34] <dec3pti01> right now I'm just trying it out on one device to see how it works
[26-Jul-2011 10:54:39] <rmatte> ah
[26-Jul-2011 10:54:40] <rmatte> k
[26-Jul-2011 10:55:50] <dec3pti01> I don't see that "/HTTP (Create Copy)"
[26-Jul-2011 10:56:06] <rmatte> Where is the template actually located?
[26-Jul-2011 10:56:14] <dec3pti01> I basically first did "Bind template" and chose the httpmonitor
[26-Jul-2011 10:56:27] <dec3pti01> this on a device
[26-Jul-2011 10:56:28] <rmatte> you're binding it from somewhere, what class is the template in?
[26-Jul-2011 10:56:42] <dec3pti01> devices
[26-Jul-2011 10:56:55] <rmatte> ok, so then it'll probably just be: / (Create Copy)
[26-Jul-2011 10:57:09] <rmatte> it's whatever class the template is in
[26-Jul-2011 10:57:50] <dec3pti01> ok so should I go to the /Devices class instead of being on the actual device "Monitoring Templates" section ?
[26-Jul-2011 10:58:11] <rmatte> you should been in Advanced -> Monitoring Templates
[26-Jul-2011 10:58:31] <dec3pti01> ah ok
[26-Jul-2011 10:58:40] <rmatte> then click on Device Class button at the bottom
[26-Jul-2011 10:58:44] <rmatte> it'll make it easier to view
[26-Jul-2011 10:59:08] <rmatte> highlight the template by clicking on it
[26-Jul-2011 10:59:15] <dec3pti01> cool thanks
[26-Jul-2011 10:59:17] <rmatte> then from the gear menu in the bottom left select Override Template
[26-Jul-2011 10:59:40] <dec3pti01> cool I got the copy now ... thanks
[26-Jul-2011 10:59:46] <rmatte> np
[26-Jul-2011 11:08:02] <rmatte> this Zenoss report code is driving me up the wall
[26-Jul-2011 11:08:06] <rmatte> it shouldn't be this hard
[26-Jul-2011 11:08:31] <rmatte> Nick: good day
[26-Jul-2011 11:26:01] <rmatte> are there any devs around right now?
[26-Jul-2011 11:50:38] <nyeates> I guess not rmatte :-/
[26-Jul-2011 11:50:54] <nyeates> whats the nature of issue?
[26-Jul-2011 11:53:15] <rmatte> I'm trying to code a report... and as far as I can see the code is identical to an existing core report
[26-Jul-2011 11:53:19] <rmatte> but it's completely ignoring columns
[26-Jul-2011 11:56:04] <rmatte> I've been at this for over 4 hours now trying to debug it
[26-Jul-2011 11:57:23] <rmatte> basically I have the plugin generating data for 3 columns, and I have the 3 columns defined in the tales file and showing up
[26-Jul-2011 11:57:35] <rmatte> but no matter what I do I can only get it to display data for one column
[26-Jul-2011 11:58:51] <rmatte> If I comment out that column, data for the next column then shows up
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[26-Jul-2011 12:29:01] <Hackman238> rmatte: Its not working yet?
[26-Jul-2011 12:31:32] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238: sup noob
[26-Jul-2011 12:31:57] <JohnnyNOC> jk
[26-Jul-2011 12:31:57] <JohnnyNOC>
[26-Jul-2011 12:32:50] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: LOL.
[26-Jul-2011 12:33:03] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Not much, cranking up the Zopes for profit
[26-Jul-2011 12:33:09] <JohnnyNOC> nice man, very nice
[26-Jul-2011 12:33:22] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: 40 on one size, 75 on the other
[26-Jul-2011 12:33:25] <JohnnyNOC> big money, no whammys, stop!
[26-Jul-2011 12:42:20] <SDuensin> That's a lot of Zope.
[26-Jul-2011 12:45:27] <rmatte> Hackman238: nope, I've tried everything I can possibly think of
[26-Jul-2011 12:45:33] <rmatte> I figured out what the exact behaviour is
[26-Jul-2011 12:45:47] <rmatte> it only recognizes one column
[26-Jul-2011 12:46:10] <rmatte> If I comment out one column, it then outputs the next one that isn't commented
[26-Jul-2011 12:46:16] <Hackman238> rmatte: hum
[26-Jul-2011 12:46:28] <rmatte> and I have no idea why it's doing that since I verified that the code is exactly identical to the interface report code
[26-Jul-2011 12:46:43] <rmatte> there must be something behind the scenes somewhere that's screwing it up
[26-Jul-2011 12:47:00] <rmatte> I did notice this line...
[26-Jul-2011 12:47:01] <rmatte> <tal:block metal:use-macro="here/reportMacros/macros/utilizationForm"/>
[26-Jul-2011 12:47:11] <rmatte> but I'm not sure if that macro is the source of the problem
[26-Jul-2011 12:47:36] <rmatte> probably not
[26-Jul-2011 12:48:03] <rmatte> nah can't be
[26-Jul-2011 12:48:07] <rmatte> the other core reports use it too
[26-Jul-2011 12:48:11] <rmatte> so it's not specific to that report
[26-Jul-2011 12:50:54] <rmatte> for some reason it's completely ignoring 2 columns and using 1
[26-Jul-2011 12:51:40] <rmatte> I even tried adding the other two columns to the reports, thinking that maybe they had to be in use in the report to work
[26-Jul-2011 12:51:50] <rmatte> though there's no evidence of that being the case in the interface or memory reports
[26-Jul-2011 12:53:48] <rmatte> the key point here is that this shouldn't be so damn difficult lol
[26-Jul-2011 12:53:53] <rmatte> I've wasted hours and hours on this
[26-Jul-2011 12:58:31] <SEJeff> Does Zenoss Service Dynamics == Avalon?
[26-Jul-2011 12:58:37] <rmatte> correct
[26-Jul-2011 13:00:28] <rmatte> meh, I'll just post it in the forums
[26-Jul-2011 13:00:39] <rmatte> can't afford to spend more time on this
[26-Jul-2011 13:01:03] <dpetzel> does Zenoss Inc. care if a community pack that does something similar to an Enterprise pack is submitted to the community (Will they release it to the community)?
[26-Jul-2011 13:01:19] <rmatte> dpetzel: it's been done several times, they don't care
[26-Jul-2011 13:01:24] <SEJeff> Is ZenOSS Service Dynamics (the enterprise version) released?
[26-Jul-2011 13:01:56] <dpetzel> rmatte: cool thanks I think I have my Big IP F5, just about far enough along that it might be useful to others in a not to distant future
[26-Jul-2011 13:02:17] <rmatte> SEJeff: Zenoss Service Dynamics IS Avalon
[26-Jul-2011 13:02:20] <rmatte> and it is released
[26-Jul-2011 13:02:34] <rmatte> They renamed Zenoss Enterprise to Zenoss Service Dynamics
[26-Jul-2011 13:02:58] <SEJeff> rmatte, Ah gotcha
[26-Jul-2011 13:03:08] <SEJeff> I should look into upgrading or whatnot
[26-Jul-2011 13:03:16] <rmatte> yup
[26-Jul-2011 13:06:33] <dpetzel> rmatte: Has anyone discussed hosting community packs elswhere, this contributor agreement makes me want to not even get involved with submitting something
[26-Jul-2011 13:06:51] <rmatte> yes, other licensing options are being discussed
[26-Jul-2011 13:07:04] <rmatte> it's been a hot topic recently
[26-Jul-2011 13:07:38] <dpetzel> I knew the agreement came under some fire, but I just read it for realz this AM.....
[26-Jul-2011 13:08:07] <rmatte> yeh, we should hopefully have the ability to license packs directly under GPL if we wish
[26-Jul-2011 13:08:13] <rmatte> we're working on that
[26-Jul-2011 13:08:25] <dpetzel> gotcha
[26-Jul-2011 13:08:26] <rmatte> worst case scenario we will start our own ZenPack site (if we have to)
[26-Jul-2011 13:11:00] <dpetzel> lets hope it doesnt come to that
[26-Jul-2011 13:12:52] <nyeates> My hope is to have contrib agreements required only for patches to core
[26-Jul-2011 13:13:47] <dpetzel> I see. As I read through the doc my first reaction was "I don't want to enter into a signed contract to give something away for free" which is how the document read (to me at least)
[26-Jul-2011 13:14:39] <rmatte> no, to sum the doc up, you retain full rights to your pack, but Zenoss can use it for whatever they want including selling it
[26-Jul-2011 13:15:15] <klone> rmatte - i thought i'd mention that 'Zenoss Enterprise' is actually a part of Zenoss Service Dynamics, in the form of the 'Resource Manager' component. Zenoss Service Dynamics info: http://www.zenoss.com/solution/overview
[26-Jul-2011 13:16:13] <rmatte> well yeh, service dynamics is actually 3 separate pieces of software that integrate
[26-Jul-2011 13:16:24] <klone> yep yep
[26-Jul-2011 13:18:22] <mducharme-laptop> afternoon
[26-Jul-2011 13:18:53] <mducharme-laptop> some of my SNMP MIB's have a description field that has a text description of the trap
[26-Jul-2011 13:19:06] <mducharme-laptop> is there a way I can do a generic transform that uses that description field from the mib?
[26-Jul-2011 13:19:17] <mducharme-laptop> if it's there?
[26-Jul-2011 13:20:12] <dpetzel> nyeates: This is the line that made me feel like I was entering a contract
[26-Jul-2011 13:20:13] <dpetzel> From time to time at Zenoss’s request, You will promptly and without further compensation execute any and all patent, copyright or other intellectual property applications, assignments or any other instruments or other documents that Zenoss deems necessary or appropriate to apply for or obtain registration or other protection for Your Contributions, or to effectuate the full assignment of Your rights in Your Contributions to Zenoss in any country, inc
[26-Jul-2011 13:20:13] <dpetzel> luding (without limitation) Letters of Patent (including renewals, extensions, continuations, divisions, or continuations in part), copyright and trademark registration
[26-Jul-2011 13:20:25] <dpetzel> promptly and without further compensation
[26-Jul-2011 13:21:47] <klone> mducharme-laptop - if it's coming in as part of the event and it shows up in the event details you could reference that attribute in a transform
[26-Jul-2011 13:21:52] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: no, there's no way to do that
[26-Jul-2011 13:22:13] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: well, you probably could but it would be an elaborate transform
[26-Jul-2011 13:22:31] <rmatte> you'd have to have it search each time to match the trap name with the Mib, then dig out that property
[26-Jul-2011 13:22:39] <rmatte> but in short, no, there's no quick way to do that
[26-Jul-2011 13:23:18] <mducharme-laptop> dang
[26-Jul-2011 13:23:26] <mducharme-laptop> to me that would be quite a handy feature
[26-Jul-2011 13:23:41] <mducharme-laptop> because often when you get a new trap you don't know what it means
[26-Jul-2011 13:23:49] <mducharme-laptop> unless you go look up the description
[26-Jul-2011 13:27:58] <nyeates> dpetzel: sorry for this. I agree, it does seem contract-like.
[26-Jul-2011 13:28:25] <nyeates> dpetzel: can you create a wiki or jive space page to log this and other complaints of the existing contrib agreement?
[26-Jul-2011 13:28:36] <dpetzel> nyeates: I'm sure you didnt write it no need for apologies, just wanted to pass along the part that would make NOT want to contribute
[26-Jul-2011 13:28:45] <nyeates> I have no heard many and it would be good to have a list to come to when we eventually come around to re-considering it
[26-Jul-2011 13:28:56] <dpetzel> sure thing
[26-Jul-2011 13:29:39] <nyeates> Jane gave us an entire array of concerns, looked over by a open source lawyer - ill add those to it sometime
[26-Jul-2011 13:30:06] <SEJeff> nyeates, Why not have your legal team look at the Harmony aggreement?
[26-Jul-2011 13:30:20] <nyeates> What is that jeff?
[26-Jul-2011 13:30:35] <rmatte> thread/16529
[26-Jul-2011 13:34:48] <rmatte> If anyone can answer that I'd be very appreciative
[26-Jul-2011 14:00:34] <klone> nyeates - SEJeff is talking about this: http://harmonyagreements.org
[26-Jul-2011 14:00:50] <SEJeff> klone, yup
[26-Jul-2011 14:15:25] <nyeates> very intersting > Harmony
[26-Jul-2011 14:15:26] <nyeates> thanx
[26-Jul-2011 14:15:38] <nyeates> dpetzel: did you create a page by any chance?
[26-Jul-2011 14:16:03] <dpetzel> dpetzel: sorry not yet. got pulled into a production issue
[26-Jul-2011 14:16:11] <dpetzel> nyeates:*
[26-Jul-2011 14:16:42] <nyeates> talking to yerself again eh
[26-Jul-2011 14:16:44] <nyeates> :-p
[26-Jul-2011 14:16:53] <rmatte> lol
[26-Jul-2011 14:17:05] <dpetzel> I always get the answer I want that way lol
[26-Jul-2011 14:17:16] <nyeates> rmatte: i sent yer page at some devs
[26-Jul-2011 14:17:22] <rmatte> thanks
[26-Jul-2011 14:17:23] <nyeates> your reports issue
[26-Jul-2011 14:17:32] <rmatte> can't wait to find out what the problem is
[26-Jul-2011 14:17:37] <rmatte> because the code looks perfectly clean
[26-Jul-2011 14:18:01] <rmatte> I had Hackman go over it with me too and he couldn't see anything wrong with it either
[26-Jul-2011 14:18:04] <rmatte> pretty stumped
[26-Jul-2011 14:18:28] <Hackman238> rmatte: Same here...it looks correct
[26-Jul-2011 14:18:38] <rmatte> see?
[26-Jul-2011 14:18:40] <rmatte>
[26-Jul-2011 14:19:36] <nyeates> if you comment out both sent and dropped cols, does thrid one show?
[26-Jul-2011 14:20:02] <rmatte> yes it does, but only if I change it from 'float(droppedPkts)/float(sentPkts)' to something like '1+1'
[26-Jul-2011 14:20:19] <rmatte> it needs to be able to see the values for droppedPkts and sentPkts
[26-Jul-2011 14:20:23] <rmatte> but it's not getting values from them
[26-Jul-2011 14:21:32] <Hackman238> rmatte: Have you tried assigiing aliases to the datapoints in the templates?
[26-Jul-2011 14:21:36] <Hackman238> *assigning
[26-Jul-2011 14:23:03] <rmatte> I haven't, but that shouldn't make a difference since it's able to pull the data from each datapoint
[26-Jul-2011 14:23:10] <rmatte> I just can't get it to pull and display them all at once
[26-Jul-2011 14:23:24] <rmatte> but if I comment out one or the other I manage to see the data for each of them
[26-Jul-2011 14:24:17] <rmatte> the datasource name should be enough for RRDColumnHandler to work with
[26-Jul-2011 14:25:35] <Hackman238> That must be a bug
[26-Jul-2011 14:26:02] <rmatte> I just don't understand why it works fine for interface and memory utilization reports but not for this
[26-Jul-2011 14:32:18] <rmatte> jplouis overlooked it and said that he didn't see anything wrong with it either
[26-Jul-2011 14:32:49] <rmatte> I'm hoping that Chet will take a look at the post when he has some spare time, he usually has the answer to everything when it comes to Zenoss
[26-Jul-2011 14:34:20] <jmp242> do distributed collectors do modeling or just collect performance data?
[26-Jul-2011 14:34:43] <rmatte> You'd think they should do modelling but in my experience all the modelling is done from the hub
[26-Jul-2011 14:35:15] <rmatte> then again that's with distributed collectors with core
[26-Jul-2011 14:35:23] <rmatte> the enterprise setup might be different
[26-Jul-2011 14:35:45] <nyeates> dpetzel: Im making contrib agree page
[26-Jul-2011 14:35:55] <Simon4> distributed collectors in enterprise do modelling
[26-Jul-2011 14:35:58] <dpetzel> nyeates: ok
[26-Jul-2011 14:36:12] <dpetzel> jmp242: Core - they do modeling as well
[26-Jul-2011 14:36:31] <jmp242> Hmm, that's what I thought, but several forum posts see that they don't
[26-Jul-2011 14:36:34] <jmp242> oh well..
[26-Jul-2011 14:37:13] <rmatte> all I know is the last time I configured a distributed setup with core, the modelling was clearly done by the hub
[26-Jul-2011 14:37:20] <rmatte> maybe something has changed since then
[26-Jul-2011 14:37:28] <dpetzel> jmp242: They have to. Otherwise remote collectors running behind firewalls would result in no modeling data
[26-Jul-2011 14:37:55] <rmatte> dpetzel: right, logically they should, but they don't last I checked
[26-Jul-2011 14:38:13] <rmatte> dpetzel: distributed collectors aren't officially supported with core, it's something the community hacked together over time
[26-Jul-2011 14:38:19] <rmatte> and which Egor rolled in to a Zenpack
[26-Jul-2011 14:38:27] <dpetzel> rmatte, wierd, now I'm going to have to check I swear I've run zenmodeler run on my hub and it didnt model anything
[26-Jul-2011 14:38:54] <rmatte> I'm not talking about zenmodeler run, I'm talking about selecting to model a device from the menu in the GUI
[26-Jul-2011 14:39:03] <dpetzel> ohhhh.....
[26-Jul-2011 14:39:09] <nyeates> dpetzel: docs/DOC-11312 "Contributor Agreement Community Issues"
[26-Jul-2011 14:39:11] <dpetzel> that I am not sure about, but would make sense
[26-Jul-2011 14:39:44] <dpetzel> nyeates: cool
[26-Jul-2011 14:40:05] <dpetzel> rmatte: I'll run that little test right now
[26-Jul-2011 14:40:52] <rmatte> nyeates: I just think that the community agreement should be entirely optional... if I want to release a ZenPack solely under the GPL license but still have it available on the community site I should be allowed to do so.
[26-Jul-2011 14:41:16] <rmatte> Application of the agreement to my submitted works should be at my discretion.
[26-Jul-2011 14:41:59] <rmatte> right now it seems to just automatically get applied to everything that's submitted
[26-Jul-2011 14:42:25] <rmatte> The only one of my ZenPacks that I technically ever signed the agreement in relation to was my Cisco Mibs pack
[26-Jul-2011 14:42:53] <rmatte> but it automatically got applied to every other pack that I've submitted since then it would seem
[26-Jul-2011 14:43:05] <dpetzel> rmatte: tcpdump confirms, invoking the "model device" from the GUI, results in lots-o-packets from the remote collector
[26-Jul-2011 14:43:16] <rmatte> dpetzel: ah ok
[26-Jul-2011 14:44:04] <dpetzel> rmatte: I feel like I've seen what you describe though when I use the "test" buttons on some data sources
[26-Jul-2011 14:44:33] <rmatte> you need to be careful about the test button
[26-Jul-2011 14:44:49] <rmatte> for instance, if you test a snmp datasource... all it does is invoke the snmpwalk command locally
[26-Jul-2011 14:45:03] <rmatte> it doesn't actually use twisted (the python library used for snmp) to test
[26-Jul-2011 14:45:10] <rmatte> I rarely ever use the test button
[26-Jul-2011 14:45:15] <dpetzel> nice
[26-Jul-2011 14:45:18] <rmatte> I prefer to invoke the daemons by hand to test
[26-Jul-2011 14:45:20] <dpetzel> yeah I really cant use it
[26-Jul-2011 14:45:25] <rmatte> i.e: zenperfsnmp run -v10 -d <devicename>
[26-Jul-2011 14:45:35] <dpetzel> our hub is ina special vlan which allows inbound access from desktop machines and nothing but ssh out to its collectors
[26-Jul-2011 14:45:45] <rmatte> ah
[26-Jul-2011 14:45:48] <dpetzel> so test never works for anything
[26-Jul-2011 14:45:56] <rmatte> yeh, just run the daemons by hand
[26-Jul-2011 14:45:58] <rmatte> best way to test
[26-Jul-2011 14:46:01] <dpetzel> indeed
[26-Jul-2011 14:53:04] <rmatte> nyeates: some spam to delete:
[26-Jul-2011 14:53:08] <rmatte> message/60237#60237
[26-Jul-2011 14:53:52] <rmatte> message/60213#60213
[26-Jul-2011 14:53:55] <rmatte> message/60227#60227
[26-Jul-2011 14:53:59] <rmatte> message/60226#60226
[26-Jul-2011 14:54:03] <rmatte> message/60208#60208
[26-Jul-2011 14:54:08] <rmatte> message/60222#60222
[26-Jul-2011 14:54:42] <Hackman238> rmatte: Wow quite a bit
[26-Jul-2011 14:54:49] <rmatte> There's even more
[26-Jul-2011 14:54:58] <rmatte> there are a bunch of posts where the topic of the post is the name of the user
[26-Jul-2011 14:55:00] <rmatte> they are all spam
[26-Jul-2011 14:56:01] <rmatte> wish I had the ability to delete posts
[26-Jul-2011 14:56:34] <Hackman238> rmatte: A good option would be an abuse option to flag posts
[26-Jul-2011 14:56:40] <rmatte> for sure
[26-Jul-2011 14:56:43] <Hackman238> rmatte: Users can flag spam, etc
[26-Jul-2011 14:57:05] <rmatte> I'm going to make a list of every spam message that I can see on the boards and forward them to Nick lol
[26-Jul-2011 14:59:01] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL!
[26-Jul-2011 14:59:09] <nyeates> this is fine
[26-Jul-2011 14:59:20] <nyeates> u have no idea how much a hassle this shit is
[26-Jul-2011 14:59:29] <nyeates> it might even be actual live people behind it
[26-Jul-2011 14:59:33] <nyeates> we are trying to determine
[26-Jul-2011 14:59:46] <Hackman238> nyeates: I dont think I've ever seen you swear in the forum before
[26-Jul-2011 14:59:51] <Hackman238> nyeates: LOL
[26-Jul-2011 14:59:59] <Hackman238> nyeates: Thats real hate for the spam bots showing through
[26-Jul-2011 15:00:03] <Hackman238> XD
[26-Jul-2011 15:00:06] <nyeates> I found 16 spam things just fri
[26-Jul-2011 15:01:12] <nyeates> you would actually be helping me by sending me lists of spam
[26-Jul-2011 15:01:23] <nyeates> its what i do anyway and send off to IT right now
[26-Jul-2011 15:01:25] <rmatte> I'm making one right now
[26-Jul-2011 15:01:28] <nyeates> sweet
[26-Jul-2011 15:01:42] <Hackman238> nyeates: Is it possible to add a flag button for threads?
[26-Jul-2011 15:01:56] <nyeates> chet had a good point though, is that doing this deleteion after the fact doesnt help for those following the forums via list serv
[26-Jul-2011 15:02:12] <nyeates> so this is why we are trying to block it off by moderating user creation
[26-Jul-2011 15:02:22] <nyeates> but its hard to tell which users are real and which are fake
[26-Jul-2011 15:02:32] <Hackman238> nyeates: Capacha works okay
[26-Jul-2011 15:02:43] <nyeates> that is already in place, and its way broke
[26-Jul-2011 15:02:49] <nyeates> reCAPTCHA works better
[26-Jul-2011 15:02:58] <nyeates> tho its hacked to some degree too
[26-Jul-2011 15:02:58] <Hackman238> nyeates: I've found if you have several of them on the same page its not easy to defeat
[26-Jul-2011 15:03:13] <nyeates> 17% of reCAPTCHAs can be figured out
[26-Jul-2011 15:03:29] <Hackman238> nyeates: More like 60% if you can guess which word is the dummy word
[26-Jul-2011 15:03:58] <rmatte> I'm only able to identify outright spam posts... there are some that are piggybacking on valid posts: thread/16120?tstart=0
[26-Jul-2011 15:04:14] <rmatte> a flag option would certainly be useful
[26-Jul-2011 15:04:16] <nyeates> yeah ive seen both....those are more annoying
[26-Jul-2011 15:04:38] <rmatte> anyways, I'll get you a list of outright spam posts because there are a ton
[26-Jul-2011 15:04:54] <nyeates> ok, ill mention the flag option in forum to IT....maybe something they can turn on and then we go look at each day
[26-Jul-2011 15:05:09] <Hackman238> nyeates: I'll crowd source some ideas for fixing this
[26-Jul-2011 15:06:02] <nyeates> because we have not yet implemented wider access to the community members, or even me and simon, its hard to do a lot now
[26-Jul-2011 15:06:15] <jmp242> you can report posts but not threads . . . which is interesting
[26-Jul-2011 15:06:53] <Hackman238> jmp242: Ah yeah, never noticed
[26-Jul-2011 15:08:47] <jmp242> how are we supposed to be able to edit the zenpack list?
[26-Jul-2011 15:09:02] <jmp242> i.e., the Predictive Threshold has an updated version for v3 by Jane, but there's no edit on the list
[26-Jul-2011 15:09:07] <jmp242> to say YES
[26-Jul-2011 15:11:02] <Hackman238> jmp242: I dont think we can yet
[26-Jul-2011 15:14:22] <rmatte> nyeates: prepare to cry: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=6p47D6yP
[26-Jul-2011 15:14:24] <rmatte> list of spam
[26-Jul-2011 15:14:59] <Hackman238> rmatte: Wow. Nice list
[26-Jul-2011 15:15:01] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL
[26-Jul-2011 15:15:04] <rmatte> lol
[26-Jul-2011 15:15:30] * nyeates weeps at the site
[26-Jul-2011 15:15:45] <rmatte> 77 posts
[26-Jul-2011 15:16:17] <nyeates> holy crap nuts, that really is nasty
[26-Jul-2011 15:16:23] <rmatte> yup
[26-Jul-2011 15:16:24] <nyeates> thanks rmatte, we will get on top of these
[26-Jul-2011 15:16:29] <rmatte> no prob
[26-Jul-2011 15:17:27] <rmatte> jmp242: just noticed your comment about Jane updating the predictive threshold pack for use with 3.x, that's awesome
[26-Jul-2011 15:20:22] <JohnnyNOC> yes, totally awesome!
[26-Jul-2011 15:22:03] <rmatte>
[26-Jul-2011 15:24:31] <rmatte> nyeates: I don't know if rules can be applied against posts, but the basic pattern is that 99% of these posts have a topic equal to the username of the person who posted them
[26-Jul-2011 15:24:56] <rmatte> there was only one that I found that didn't
[26-Jul-2011 15:27:45] <rmatte> Hackman238: your SLA datasource doesn't allow aliases to be added in 2.5
[26-Jul-2011 15:28:28] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ah damn.
[26-Jul-2011 15:28:39] <rmatte> but don't feel bad, apparently mine doesn't either
[26-Jul-2011 15:28:47] <nyeates> yeah we are on a SaaS-based jive instance
[26-Jul-2011 15:28:53] <nyeates> so we are limited to what they give us
[26-Jul-2011 15:28:55] <Hackman238> rmatte: Is that really the problem though?
[26-Jul-2011 15:29:11] <rmatte> no, but I was going to try that to see if it was
[26-Jul-2011 15:29:19] <rmatte> though it doesn't make sense for it to be
[26-Jul-2011 15:29:39] <rmatte> either way, we should both fix our packs to allow aliases at some point since they are a handy tool
[26-Jul-2011 15:29:41] <Hackman238> rmatte: I figured try it as a ditch effort
[26-Jul-2011 15:29:46] <Hackman238> rmatte: True true
[26-Jul-2011 15:30:28] <rmatte> anyways, time to start working on my Cisco Nexus ZenPack
[26-Jul-2011 15:30:33] <rmatte> this one's going to be a huge pain
[26-Jul-2011 15:30:46] <Hackman238> rmatte: Aye.
[26-Jul-2011 15:31:10] <Hackman238> rmatte: nexus sorta uses teh asr model, right?
[26-Jul-2011 15:31:14] <Sam-I-Am> sup nerds
[26-Jul-2011 15:32:19] <rmatte> not sure what you mean by asr model honestly
[26-Jul-2011 15:32:28] <rmatte> the Nexus has some new operating system and it's a modular switch
[26-Jul-2011 15:32:55] <rmatte> It doesn't present any of it's interfaces via standard interface OIDs (except for the mgmt0 interface)
[26-Jul-2011 15:33:03] <rmatte> so it's going to be a real pain sorting this out
[26-Jul-2011 15:33:25] <Hackman238> rmatte: Gotcha. Its exactly like an ASR
[26-Jul-2011 15:33:29] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL
[26-Jul-2011 15:34:09] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Man you cant expect greetz with an entry like that!
[26-Jul-2011 15:34:12] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: LOL
[26-Jul-2011 15:34:40] <klone> Hackman238 - well, Sam-I-Am is sort of right ...
[26-Jul-2011 15:35:02] <rmatte> geeks, not nerds
[26-Jul-2011 15:35:03] <rmatte>
[26-Jul-2011 15:35:29] <Hackman238> klone: LOL
[26-Jul-2011 15:35:33] <klone> well, i've been called a little of both ... and certainly worse
[26-Jul-2011 15:36:32] <rmatte> http://www.wolfgnards.com/media/blogs/photos/miscellaneous/nerd-vs-geek.jpg
[26-Jul-2011 15:36:54] <klone> the napster!
[26-Jul-2011 15:37:31] <rmatte> lol
[26-Jul-2011 15:37:42] <Hackman238> rmatte: LOL!
[26-Jul-2011 15:38:00] <rmatte> http://guysgonegeek.com/comics/2008-10-10.jpg
[26-Jul-2011 15:38:57] <rmatte> klone: you said you've been called a bit of both: http://www.wolfgnards.com/media/blogs/photos/miscellaneous/nerd-dork-geek.jpg
[26-Jul-2011 15:39:10] <Hackman238> rmatte: Oh nice!
[26-Jul-2011 15:39:45] <nyeates> man u guys have a lot of nerd vs geek content on queue!
[26-Jul-2011 15:39:49] <klone> rmatte - nailed it
[26-Jul-2011 15:39:52] <rmatte> lol
[26-Jul-2011 15:40:20] <Sam-I-Am> i thought nerds were trendy now
[26-Jul-2011 15:40:33] <Sam-I-Am> although i cant seem to get laid either way
[26-Jul-2011 15:41:07] <nyeates> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exmwSxv7XJI "New Dork" sung to the tune of jay-z and alicia keys "New York"
[26-Jul-2011 15:41:20] <rmatte> lol, when you said that it reminded me of the episode of the IT Crowd where they decided to make a sexy nerd calendar
[26-Jul-2011 15:41:58] <rmatte> "Oh you dropped something, you need to bend down and pick it up... but people are being really loud in the next room, so you say "shhhh""
[26-Jul-2011 15:42:01] <rmatte> *snap*
[26-Jul-2011 15:42:22] <Sam-I-Am> lol
[26-Jul-2011 15:43:32] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: I'm told here at Rackspace I'm the only person that wears expensive dress pants, dress shirts and cufflinks to work everyday
[26-Jul-2011 15:43:52] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: And dont you forget the Gold and Platinium Cross pen
[26-Jul-2011 15:44:04] <klone> Hackman238 - nobody comments on the sweet monacle?
[26-Jul-2011 15:44:04] <rmatte> lmao, I found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVI4eiWSMPA
[26-Jul-2011 15:44:05] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Cant keep the chicks off me!
[26-Jul-2011 15:44:44] <Hackman238> klone: No monacle- shame too. I wear glasses so I cant add that accessory
[26-Jul-2011 15:44:48] <Hackman238> klone: LOL
[26-Jul-2011 15:45:06] <klone> doh!
[26-Jul-2011 15:45:13] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, should i learn from Hackman238?
[26-Jul-2011 15:45:18] <Hackman238> klone: Then again I'm the only guy here who makes more money in my own businesses than here at my day job...which pays pretty sweet
[26-Jul-2011 15:45:27] * Sam-I-Am decides to ask what sort of women these are
[26-Jul-2011 15:45:31] <Sam-I-Am> women of the night?
[26-Jul-2011 15:45:43] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: What? LOL
[26-Jul-2011 15:45:52] * JohnnyNOC ears perks up
[26-Jul-2011 15:46:01] <JohnnyNOC> where are these wimmins
[26-Jul-2011 15:47:23] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Whats 'women of the night'?
[26-Jul-2011 15:47:36] <rmatte> honey badgers
[26-Jul-2011 15:47:42] <JohnnyNOC> street walkers
[26-Jul-2011 15:47:48] <Hackman238> rmatte: Nein nein
[26-Jul-2011 15:47:49] <Hackman238> LOL
[26-Jul-2011 15:48:02] <Sam-I-Am> whores
[26-Jul-2011 15:48:19] <Sam-I-Am> women who run in promiscuous mode
[26-Jul-2011 15:48:24] <Sam-I-Am> like good ethernet interfaces
[26-Jul-2011 15:48:34] <rmatte>
[26-Jul-2011 15:48:53] * Sam-I-Am shows his nerdiness
[26-Jul-2011 15:49:00] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: LOL Well theres never a shortage of those, they are pretty easy to filter out
[26-Jul-2011 15:49:36] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: I get alot of offers. I dont take up on them though since I have a live in girlfriend already
[26-Jul-2011 15:49:37] <klone> incidentally, there's not much from them you'd want to capture so ...
[26-Jul-2011 15:50:08] <Sam-I-Am> i just pass it all through deep inspection
[26-Jul-2011 15:50:19] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Its more annoying than anything.
[26-Jul-2011 15:50:53] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Women can smell money and I'm dressed like a casual executive most of the time.
[26-Jul-2011 15:51:22] <rmatte> lol
[26-Jul-2011 15:51:23] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: Been known to even work on my Civic and VR-4 in such garb LOL
[26-Jul-2011 15:52:59] <hmp> this doesnt sound like a zenoss discussion
[26-Jul-2011 15:53:06] <rmatte> nope
[26-Jul-2011 15:53:08] <jmp242> not currently
[26-Jul-2011 15:53:19] <rmatte> but if you'd like to start one go for it
[26-Jul-2011 15:53:20] <rmatte> lol
[26-Jul-2011 15:53:45] <hmp> would be easier than women talk
[26-Jul-2011 15:54:00] <hmp> at least we understand zenoss to some extent
[26-Jul-2011 15:54:53] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[26-Jul-2011 15:54:59] <Sam-I-Am> good point
[26-Jul-2011 15:55:51] <JohnnyNOC> you know
[26-Jul-2011 15:55:56] <JohnnyNOC> about 3 years ago i moved in with 2 sisters
[26-Jul-2011 15:55:58] <JohnnyNOC> (i still live there)
[26-Jul-2011 15:56:16] <Sam-I-Am> hmm, i need noise reducing headphones if i'm going to keep working in datacenters
[26-Jul-2011 15:56:19] <Sam-I-Am> drives me nutz after a while
[26-Jul-2011 15:56:21] <JohnnyNOC> i thought i'd know just about everything i needed to know but certainly i don't.. and i know a lot more than i really wanted
[26-Jul-2011 15:56:35] <JohnnyNOC> long story short - women are worse than men in a lot of respects particularly when it comes to sexuality
[26-Jul-2011 15:56:42] <JohnnyNOC> Sam-I-Am absoutely
[26-Jul-2011 15:56:45] <Sam-I-Am> and cleanliness lol
[26-Jul-2011 15:57:44] <JohnnyNOC> i mean, my guy friends and i rarely go into the details of sexual intercourse and partners
[26-Jul-2011 15:58:27] <JohnnyNOC> do you do that with your buddies?
[26-Jul-2011 15:59:41] <rmatte> not generally
[26-Jul-2011 16:00:20] <rmatte> hmmmm, I'm trying to figure out how to graph interface data for Cisco Nexus
[26-Jul-2011 16:00:26] <rmatte> they've really made these things complex
[26-Jul-2011 16:00:36] <rmatte> apparently it can handle multiple types of data on a virtual interface
[26-Jul-2011 16:00:48] <rmatte> like ethernet/fiber for instnace
[26-Jul-2011 16:00:51] <rmatte> instance*
[26-Jul-2011 16:05:33] <jmp242> zca survey is done
[26-Jul-2011 16:05:41] <jmp242> Where should I post the PDF results?
[26-Jul-2011 16:07:11] <rmatte> If we had a website we could post them there
[26-Jul-2011 16:09:22] <nyeates> good god....around 50 spam-created user accts today
[26-Jul-2011 16:09:24] <jmp242> I've updated the forum post
[26-Jul-2011 16:09:28] <nyeates> im hand moderating each
[26-Jul-2011 16:09:28] <jmp242> with the PDF
[26-Jul-2011 16:09:34] <jmp242> message/59904#59904
[26-Jul-2011 16:10:11] <jmp242> First result is informative, a small majority would prefer we use community.zenoss.org over a community site
[26-Jul-2011 16:10:30] <jmp242> Maybe we should have a ZCA group on there?
[26-Jul-2011 16:11:04] <jmp242> err, actually second result lol
[26-Jul-2011 16:13:19] <rmatte> ZCA group would work
[26-Jul-2011 16:21:36] <nyeates> community/zca
[26-Jul-2011 16:22:43] <nyeates> maybe works maybe not yet....does it?
[26-Jul-2011 16:23:06] <rmatte> Hackman238: message/60253#60253
[26-Jul-2011 16:23:11] <rmatte> check out the last post I made in the thread
[26-Jul-2011 16:23:14] <rmatte> narrowing it down
[26-Jul-2011 16:40:42] <dhopp> jmp242: I'm somewhat surprised that documentation didn't get a higher priority since that is what is lacking so badly
[26-Jul-2011 16:53:06] <Hackman238> rmatte: Really?
[26-Jul-2011 16:53:11] <Hackman238> rmatte: Thats weird
[26-Jul-2011 16:57:19] <dpetzel> is it possible to re-order the top level report organizers in 3x?
[26-Jul-2011 17:17:13] <JohnnyNOC> is there a way to increase the timeout for wmi queries?
[26-Jul-2011 17:17:54] <JohnnyNOC> i'm not seeing anything in zProperties and have a device that seems to have problems with the win32_product class
[26-Jul-2011 17:17:58] <JohnnyNOC> wmic queries fail - librpc/rpc/dcerpc.c:1089: dcerpc_request_recv status = NT_STATUS_IO_TIMEOUT
[26-Jul-2011 17:18:02] <JohnnyNOC> (that was with debug)
[26-Jul-2011 17:18:39] <JohnnyNOC> and I used CIM studio to execute the same WMI query without problem
[26-Jul-2011 17:27:33] <dpetzel> JohnnyNOC: appears to be exposed as a property of the deamon as a whole
[26-Jul-2011 17:27:51] <dpetzel> but says "Overrides the server settings"
[26-Jul-2011 17:29:06] <dpetzel> defualt appears to be self.wmiqueryTimeout = 1000
[26-Jul-2011 17:30:50] <JohnnyNOC> hrm
[26-Jul-2011 17:31:08] <JohnnyNOC> i think i need to consider this more from a modeling perspective as thats where my problem is but i suppose same is true for zenperfwmi
[26-Jul-2011 17:31:11] <JohnnyNOC> i'll have to give it a go and see what happens
[26-Jul-2011 17:31:24] <dpetzel> and I think I found the section in WMIPlugin where it pulls zprops and as you indicate there doesnt appear to be any override
[26-Jul-2011 17:32:28] <dpetzel> do you know which modeler plugin?
[26-Jul-2011 17:32:34] <JohnnyNOC> yes
[26-Jul-2011 17:32:53] <JohnnyNOC> it's in community.wmi.ProductMap
[26-Jul-2011 17:33:05] <JohnnyNOC> prob i have right now is this single server not exposing it's installed software
[26-Jul-2011 17:33:23] <JohnnyNOC> and this damn error
[26-Jul-2011 17:33:24] <JohnnyNOC> 2011-07-26 16:33:07,433 ERROR zen.WMIClient: Received NT code 0xc002001b from query: SELECT * FROM Win32_Product
[26-Jul-2011 17:33:46] <JohnnyNOC> but i know that product class is there, i can query it using CIM studio.. it just seems to take a while which is why i was loking into how i could increase the timeout
[26-Jul-2011 17:33:57] <rmatte> JohnnyNOC: it's timing out while you're modeling?
[26-Jul-2011 17:34:46] <JohnnyNOC> no, it's giving that error while i model
[26-Jul-2011 17:34:52] <rmatte> ah
[26-Jul-2011 17:34:53] <JohnnyNOC> and when i try wmic on the command line
[26-Jul-2011 17:34:57] <rmatte> what version of windows?
[26-Jul-2011 17:35:13] <JohnnyNOC> but i use this thing called CIM Studio that our windows admins suggested I use and I can indeed query the win32_product class
[26-Jul-2011 17:35:22] <JohnnyNOC> 2008 server standard
[26-Jul-2011 17:35:33] <rmatte> SP1?
[26-Jul-2011 17:35:54] <rmatte> (Service Pack 1?)
[26-Jul-2011 17:36:01] <JohnnyNOC> sp2
[26-Jul-2011 17:36:18] <rmatte> ah ok
[26-Jul-2011 17:36:30] <rmatte> sp1 has really bad problems with WMI, but sp2 is fine
[26-Jul-2011 17:37:32] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*
[26-Jul-2011 17:37:46] <JohnnyNOC> fortunately we don't have many problems with WMI except for a few machines
[26-Jul-2011 17:37:48] <JohnnyNOC> zenmodeler run -d PSWCHI1DIGT1 -r 120 -T 120 -L 120 --portscantimeout=120
[26-Jul-2011 17:37:54] <JohnnyNOC> that's what i'm trying to do to model the device now
[26-Jul-2011 17:37:59] <JohnnyNOC> just looked for every timeout option
[26-Jul-2011 17:38:03] <rmatte> ah
[26-Jul-2011 17:38:23] <JohnnyNOC> no love tho
[26-Jul-2011 17:38:40] <JohnnyNOC> so if i understand this correctly, is zenoss using the wmic command line utility to issue these queries?
[26-Jul-2011 17:38:42] <rmatte> What I was going to say is that the setting that I find has the most impact on modelling timeout is zCollectorClientTimeout
[26-Jul-2011 17:38:59] <rmatte> I have some devices that I monitor in europe via SNMP that takes like 30 minutes to model (no joke)
[26-Jul-2011 17:39:10] <rmatte> I had to increase that value to 5000 to get them to model
[26-Jul-2011 17:39:12] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*
[26-Jul-2011 17:39:14] <JohnnyNOC> i have a machine like that
[26-Jul-2011 17:39:15] <rmatte> but that's with SNMP, not WMI
[26-Jul-2011 17:39:22] <JohnnyNOC> good tip tho, i'll have to remember that
[26-Jul-2011 17:40:00] <rmatte> yeh, it's amazing all the little tricks you learn as you go along lol
[26-Jul-2011 17:42:02] <ryker> it seems like getProperty for the REST API behaves oddly for boolean properties. It returns True for true values, but return nothing if it is false. i expected it to return 'False'. Can anyone confirm if this is expected behavior?
[26-Jul-2011 17:42:03] <JohnnyNOC> that's why you're 'the man'
[26-Jul-2011 17:42:59] <rmatte> ryker it's quite possible that that's expected behaviour, but I haven't used REST enough to be able to tell you for sure
[26-Jul-2011 17:44:00] <ryker> oh, that kind of sucks. It also returns nothing if you query an invalid property. So how the heck do you know if a value is false or just an invalid property name? anyone else here work with REST that might know?
[26-Jul-2011 17:45:44] <rmatte> you'd be better to post in the forums about it at the moment... it's the end of the day and most of the people in here have already gone home
[26-Jul-2011 17:45:48] <rmatte> I'm leaving shortly myself
[26-Jul-2011 17:46:58] <ryker> ok. ty
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[27-Jul-2011 03:48:32] <rubella> hi all
[27-Jul-2011 03:48:34] <tsener> hmm
[27-Jul-2011 03:48:39] <tsener> hello : )
[27-Jul-2011 03:49:28] <tsener> If I would want to know which is the slowest device to collect data from, how would I go about this ?
[27-Jul-2011 03:53:22] <rubella> everybody is sleeping?
[27-Jul-2011 03:55:31] <tsener>
[27-Jul-2011 03:55:35] <tsener> I guess they are
[27-Jul-2011 03:55:43] <tsener> and its a lovely morning here
[27-Jul-2011 03:58:32] <rubella> lucky you, over here, it's raining
[27-Jul-2011 04:00:47] <tsener> ya well it was raining here yesterday
[27-Jul-2011 04:05:27] <rubella> nice summer...
[27-Jul-2011 04:05:41] <rubella> well, now we have some time to play with zenoss
[27-Jul-2011 04:06:01] <rubella> I have following errormessage while playing with command data sources:
[27-Jul-2011 04:06:10] <rubella> Preparing Command... Executing command $ZENHOME/libexec/backupCheck.sh against localhost.localdomain /bin/sh: /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/libexec/backupCheck.sh: not found DONE in 0 seconds
[27-Jul-2011 04:06:40] <rubella> but backupCheck.sh is available in the appropriate directory
[27-Jul-2011 04:06:55] <rubella> so, why 'not found'?
[27-Jul-2011 04:07:37] <rubella> -rwxr-xr-x 1 zenoss zenoss 124 2011-07-26 16:40 backupCheck.sh
[27-Jul-2011 04:09:46] <rubella> when I try to execute a default one, check_load, I receive te same message:
[27-Jul-2011 04:09:48] <Simon4> rubella: backupCheck.sh isn't trying to run something with no environment set?
[27-Jul-2011 04:09:57] <rubella> Preparing Command... Executing command $ZENHOME/libexec/check_load against localhost.localdomain /bin/sh: /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/libexec/check_load: not found DONE in 0 seconds
[27-Jul-2011 04:10:04] <Simon4> hmm, wierd
[27-Jul-2011 04:10:31] <rubella> the content of the script is very basic and executes well on CLI
[27-Jul-2011 04:11:13] <rubella> script is a oneliner
[27-Jul-2011 04:12:54] <Simon4> that's very wierd
[27-Jul-2011 04:12:59] <Simon4> nothing in the forums about it?
[27-Jul-2011 04:13:19] <rubella> ok, I've found something...
[27-Jul-2011 04:13:32] <rubella> you have to specify the full path
[27-Jul-2011 04:13:59] <rubella> interesting....
[27-Jul-2011 04:14:06] <rubella> thanks to the bad weather
[27-Jul-2011 04:14:50] <Simon4> is fairly grey and crappy here also
[27-Jul-2011 04:15:48] <rubella>
[27-Jul-2011 04:17:07] <froztbyte> <rubella> Preparing Command... Executing command $ZENHOME/libexec/check_load against localhost.localdomain /bin/sh: /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/libexec/check_load: not found DONE in 0 seconds
[27-Jul-2011 04:17:23] <froztbyte> is your check_load in the wrong arch type perhaps?
[27-Jul-2011 04:17:25] <rubella> ok, I think the problem is due to the $ZENHOME/libexec/check_load --> $ZENHOME is pointing to the wrong directory, so it cannot find the command...
[27-Jul-2011 04:17:33] <froztbyte> ie x86 instead of amd64
[27-Jul-2011 04:17:49] <rubella> now it's working
[27-Jul-2011 04:17:59] <rubella> thanks for the suggestions
[27-Jul-2011 04:18:04] <froztbyte> the other thing i've seen is that $ZENHOME/libexec/ expands to /usr/local/zenoss/libexec, instead of /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/libexec
[27-Jul-2011 04:18:17] <froztbyte> (which was weird but I didn't feel like finding the script at fault)
[27-Jul-2011 04:18:24] <Simon4> froztbyte on the lagged internets
[27-Jul-2011 04:18:52] <froztbyte> Simon4: think of how little you've seen me around here the past few weeks....
[27-Jul-2011 04:19:16] <Simon4> true actually.. not that I've been much better
[27-Jul-2011 04:19:16] <froztbyte> it's been miiiighty busy 'round these parts
[27-Jul-2011 04:22:07] <Simon4> yeah, similar
[27-Jul-2011 04:23:39] <Simon4> speaking of which
[27-Jul-2011 04:23:46] <Simon4> ---> office to spin some more plates
[27-Jul-2011 04:27:16] <rubella> somebody an idea where I can find a good tutorial about nagios compatible output? I would like to process the output of my script by zenoss
[27-Jul-2011 04:27:55] <rubella> (yes, it's my very very first time)
[27-Jul-2011 04:28:01] <Simon4> http://nagiosplug.sourceforge.net/developer-guidelines.html#PLUGOUTPUT
[27-Jul-2011 04:28:09] <rubella> nice, thanks
[27-Jul-2011 04:28:44] <Simon4> the other (and possibly faster) way is to run some of the other commands in that dir, and copy their output
[27-Jul-2011 04:29:02] <rubella> yes, but they are written in a language i do not understand
[27-Jul-2011 04:29:14] <rubella> I can do some basic BASH scripting, but that's it
[27-Jul-2011 05:28:35] <mennie> just 1 thing that don't seem to work now that i reinstalled my distributed zenoss, i see graphs but there is no data in it, no numbers
[27-Jul-2011 05:59:39] <rubella> another small question:
[27-Jul-2011 05:59:42] <rubella> Preparing Command... Executing command /usr/local/zenoss/common/libexec/find /home/zenadmin/scripts/ -name backup*.dat -newerct '1 day ago' | wc -l against localhost.localdomain 2 DONE in 0 seconds
[27-Jul-2011 06:00:01] <rubella> the command throws the digit '2' back
[27-Jul-2011 06:00:29] <rubella> can I create a threshold for this command?
[27-Jul-2011 06:00:57] <rubella> example: if higher then 1, create event
[27-Jul-2011 06:01:10] <rubella> if lower then 3, create event
[27-Jul-2011 06:01:28] <rubella> at this moment, I have a threshold configured, but nothing happens...
[27-Jul-2011 06:03:00] <rubella> i've created a data point for this command
[27-Jul-2011 06:03:15] <rubella> and then, a threshold based on the data point
[27-Jul-2011 06:43:37] <tsener> yup well you should check yout threshold, tehe are fields for max and min values and also severity for the alerts triggered
[27-Jul-2011 07:37:16] <mennie> 2011-07-27T07:36:52 INFO RenderServer File: /tmp/renderserver/graph-9b47a1298c50af157950488cba43eda6129600.png not created yet.
[27-Jul-2011 07:37:58] <mennie> can this be why my graphs have no data
[27-Jul-2011 08:15:03] <jmp242> morning all
[27-Jul-2011 08:15:26] <Hackman238> Morning everyone!
[27-Jul-2011 08:16:32] <tsener> morning
[27-Jul-2011 08:29:14] <Hackman238> How goes the war?
[27-Jul-2011 08:30:03] <rubella> morning? it's almost 3pm
[27-Jul-2011 08:30:08] <rubella> good afternoon
[27-Jul-2011 08:33:50] <Hackman238> rubella: Morning here in Texas
[27-Jul-2011 08:34:20] <dpetzel> anyone know why the *.zenoss.org SSL cert was revoked?
[27-Jul-2011 08:35:14] <rubella> texas... that's far away... I only know texas from the movies
[27-Jul-2011 08:35:20] <Hackman238> dpetzel: I hadnt noticed
[27-Jul-2011 08:35:32] <Hackman238> rubella: Where are you located?
[27-Jul-2011 08:35:49] <dpetzel> Hackman238: tried logging this am, and getting revocation errors
[27-Jul-2011 08:36:37] <Hackman238> dpetzel: Yikes! I see it now
[27-Jul-2011 08:36:47] <Hackman238> NICK! GET IN HERE!
[27-Jul-2011 08:36:50] <Hackman238> LOL
[27-Jul-2011 08:36:53] <dpetzel>
[27-Jul-2011 08:37:28] <Hackman238> dpetzel: He's not on Skype yet either, probably AM meetings
[27-Jul-2011 08:41:30] <rubella> small question: when I add a 'command data source', when will zenoss start to execute the command? I know every 5 minutes, but will it start immidiately after the creation of the command or not?
[27-Jul-2011 08:41:56] <rubella> because I created one, but I do not see any output
[27-Jul-2011 08:42:08] <rubella> I expect a warning, but nothing happens
[27-Jul-2011 08:42:47] <Hackman238> rubella: The change should get pushed to the daemon
[27-Jul-2011 08:43:13] <rubella> when happens this?
[27-Jul-2011 08:43:23] <rubella> can I force a push?
[27-Jul-2011 08:43:51] <Hackman238> rubella: Yes. On the device page under the gear icon pick push
[27-Jul-2011 08:45:10] <rubella> nice, didn't know this one...
[27-Jul-2011 08:45:17] <Hackman238>
[27-Jul-2011 08:47:59] <rubella> ok, as a command template, i use following command: /usr/local/zenoss/common/libexec/find /home/zenadmin/scripts/ -name backup*.dat -newerct '1 day ago' | wc -l
[27-Jul-2011 08:47:59] <dpetzel> Hackman238: You happen to know what controls the display order of report classes? I 've created a new "branch" in the root of reports and its on the very bottom (i have a very long list thans to auto exploding of the trees). I'd like to figure out how to move my new root level organizer to the top of the list
[27-Jul-2011 08:48:14] <jb> is it any easier to create a custom modeler in 3.0 then it was in 2.x? i have several pieces of information that I would like to pull via SNMP for a device, and display them somehow in zenoss.
[27-Jul-2011 08:48:33] <jb> perhaps, in a new section named "Canopy Details" or something
[27-Jul-2011 08:48:55] <rubella> ok, as a command template, i use following command: /usr/local/zenoss/common/libexec/find /home/zenadmin/scripts/ -name backup*.dat -newerct '1 day ago' | wc -l ---> this returns the value 1
[27-Jul-2011 08:49:05] <Hackman238> jb: About the same
[27-Jul-2011 08:49:13] <rubella> can I collect this digit for a graph?
[27-Jul-2011 08:49:17] <rubella> I've created a datapoint
[27-Jul-2011 08:49:18] <Hackman238> dpetzel: Unfortunately not, sorry
[27-Jul-2011 08:49:21] <rubella> but nothing happens
[27-Jul-2011 08:49:38] <dpetzel> Hackman238: oh well
[27-Jul-2011 08:49:46] <Hackman238> rubella: Your command will need to return something like 'OK| myVar=1
[27-Jul-2011 08:50:08] <jb> Hackman238: ah ok, havent done it in forever
[27-Jul-2011 08:50:39] <rubella> Hackman238: is this a requirement, or just a recommendation?
[27-Jul-2011 08:50:53] <Hackman238> jb: You can use some fancy new stuff in v3 during modelling, but its not any more simple and doesnt have any advantages that I know of.
[27-Jul-2011 08:51:02] <jb> :/
[27-Jul-2011 08:51:08] <jb> just need to display a few things like GPS coordinates
[27-Jul-2011 08:51:17] <Hackman238> rubella: Required. You'll want to have your command output in nagios format
[27-Jul-2011 08:51:38] <Hackman238> rubella: for gps, this would work 'OK| x=1 y=1 z=1'
[27-Jul-2011 08:51:44] <rubella> ok, good to know... that's why nothing happens
[27-Jul-2011 08:51:52] <Hackman238> rubella:
[27-Jul-2011 08:52:08] <Hackman238> rubella: For the OK section, you can use OK, FAIL or WARN to set levels
[27-Jul-2011 08:52:32] <Hackman238> rubella: For each something=1, the somethign part should be a name of a datapoint under that datasource
[27-Jul-2011 08:53:09] <Hackman238> Whoops...mixed up your two reqs
[27-Jul-2011 08:53:18] <rubella>
[27-Jul-2011 08:53:23] <rubella> thanks anyway
[27-Jul-2011 08:53:32] <Hackman238> jb: What type of device are you grabbing gps data from?
[27-Jul-2011 08:53:41] <jb> Hackman238: motorola canopy access points
[27-Jul-2011 08:54:24] <Hackman238> jb: Okay, a modeller is definately the best solution unless the x,y,z are accessible as individual oid's which are ints
[27-Jul-2011 08:54:47] <Hackman238> jb: If they are in coord format in a string you'll need a modeller to cut it apart and save the points
[27-Jul-2011 08:56:13] <jb> nah, they are separate
[27-Jul-2011 08:56:40] <jb> gpsLongitude
[27-Jul-2011 08:56:40] <jb> Object ID: 1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.1.3.12
[27-Jul-2011 08:56:41] <jb> Syntax: OCTET STRING
[27-Jul-2011 08:56:43] <jb> etc..
[27-Jul-2011 08:58:16] <JohnnyNOC> cd
[27-Jul-2011 08:58:20] <Hackman238> jb: Okay. If you dont mind collecting them like metrics you could just make a template
[27-Jul-2011 08:58:48] <Hackman238> jb: Else a simple modeler using CiscoMap.py as a template should work
[27-Jul-2011 08:59:14] <jb> hmmm lets see
[27-Jul-2011 08:59:22] <jb> yeah, i'd prefer not to graph them
[27-Jul-2011 09:00:29] <jb> where does the CiscoMap display this info?
[27-Jul-2011 09:01:40] <Hackman238> jb: It uses simple methods,w hich you can monkeypatch in, to set properties under a device. You can then add a means to display them by monkeypatching in getMethods for each of making a panel to display them
[27-Jul-2011 09:03:14] <jb> ah, like on the status page of each device?
[27-Jul-2011 09:03:33] <Hackman238> jb: Yep.
[27-Jul-2011 09:03:52] <jb> i'll look into that. thanks!
[27-Jul-2011 09:04:13] <Hackman238> jb: np
[27-Jul-2011 09:05:07] <dpetzel> Hackman238: Is there any documentation around on monkeypatch. I was poking around the WMI data source code last night and noticed it, I've heard it mentioned a few times, but I have no idea what it is
[27-Jul-2011 09:05:52] <Hackman238> dpetzel: Im sure there is, but I dont nkow of any myself. The example tech zenpack has an example of monkeypatch use
[27-Jul-2011 09:12:41] <dpetzel> Hackman238: hmm interesting...On first glance it appears it allows you (amongst other things) to inject code into an existing object, without fully overriding the object
[27-Jul-2011 09:12:48] <mennie> anybody here a clue on distributed and empty graphs? they are drawn but there is no data
[27-Jul-2011 09:13:07] <Simon4> mennie: possibly a render url issue in the collector config?
[27-Jul-2011 09:13:22] <Hackman238> dpetzel: Thats correct
[27-Jul-2011 09:13:39] <Hackman238> mennie: Are the remote daemons collecting?
[27-Jul-2011 09:14:10] <mennie> Simon4: the render url "works" if i visit it with a browser
[27-Jul-2011 09:14:19] <mennie> Hackman238: how can i check this?
[27-Jul-2011 09:14:26] <Hackman238> mennie: You can test this by ssh'ing to a remote, su zenoss, and do a zenperfsnmp run now -v10.
[27-Jul-2011 09:14:43] <Hackman238> mennie: It'll spit back a bunch of stuff, look for the line concerning success/failure counts.
[27-Jul-2011 09:15:08] <Hackman238> mennie: If it askes if zenhub is running, thats a differnt problem but will cause this problem also
[27-Jul-2011 09:15:10] <rubella> nice, it's working with the script 'check_file_age'
[27-Jul-2011 09:15:22] <Hackman238> rubella: Very cook. Glad its working for you
[27-Jul-2011 09:15:25] <Hackman238> *Cool
[27-Jul-2011 09:15:27] <rubella> simple solutions for simple minds, like me
[27-Jul-2011 09:15:37] <mennie> 2011-07-27 15:15:25,994 ERROR zen.zenperfsnmp: Timeout connecting to zenhub: is it running?
[27-Jul-2011 09:16:05] <Hackman238> mennie: Okay thats the problem
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[27-Jul-2011 09:16:42] <Hackman238> mennie: Are you using egors pack to handle your distributed collectors?
[27-Jul-2011 09:16:50] <mennie> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8789 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3295/python
[27-Jul-2011 09:17:04] <mennie> Hackman238: yes
[27-Jul-2011 09:17:41] <rubella> another question: in the device classes, I have sections with green icons, yellow icons (devices with probs) and some sections have 'grey icons'... I've found it has something to do with modelling, but i don't know what exactly...
[27-Jul-2011 09:17:48] <Hackman238> mennie: When you added remote collectors under the collector area under advances, did you use add collector or add remote collector?
[27-Jul-2011 09:18:37] <Hackman238> rubella: Gray icons, or gray events, are debug events and represent most frequently a bad snmp oid or malformed syslog message.
[27-Jul-2011 09:18:44] <mennie> Hackman238: Add Remote Monitor
[27-Jul-2011 09:18:56] <Hackman238> rubella: Gray icons under the device tempaltes page means the template is for components instead of devices
[27-Jul-2011 09:19:14] <Hackman238> mennie: Okay, in that case delete each and readd them. The addition must have not completed correctly
[27-Jul-2011 09:19:28] <rubella> Mmmm, let's check it out
[27-Jul-2011 09:20:51] <Hackman238> Unrelated: http://i.imgur.com/zTIER.jpg
[27-Jul-2011 09:20:53] <Hackman238> XD
[27-Jul-2011 09:21:03] <rubella> indeed, there are devices with interfaces with errors on it....
[27-Jul-2011 09:21:53] <mennie> Hackman238: hmm, the screen does not go away with Delete Remote Collectors
[27-Jul-2011 09:22:14] <Hackman238> mennie: Hum. Sounds like possible problems.
[27-Jul-2011 09:22:29] <Hackman238> mennie: As zenoss on the zenoss master, zenchkrels -x 1 -r
[27-Jul-2011 09:22:34] <Hackman238> mennie: It'll take a while
[27-Jul-2011 09:24:57] <mennie> Hackman238: it finished
[27-Jul-2011 09:27:40] <rubella> another question: is it possible to forward received snmp traps without rewriting the content?
[27-Jul-2011 09:28:27] <rubella> zenoss receives a trap, and forward only the critical alert to another snmp manager (servicedesk)
[27-Jul-2011 09:28:48] <jmp242> I think that's an enterprise feature
[27-Jul-2011 09:29:01] <rubella> i see...
[27-Jul-2011 09:29:02] <jmp242> in Core, you'll need to use an event command to re-create a new trap
[27-Jul-2011 09:29:11] <jmp242> using a command line snmp program
[27-Jul-2011 09:29:14] <rubella> idd, that's how i do it right now
[27-Jul-2011 09:30:32] <rubella> zenoss core, is it able to monitor 1000 devices on one single server?
[27-Jul-2011 09:30:34] <rubella> we have +1000 devices
[27-Jul-2011 09:30:47] <rubella> network equipment
[27-Jul-2011 09:31:22] <fragfutter> rubella: depends on the number of datapoints not on the number of devices
[27-Jul-2011 09:31:30] <rubella> i see
[27-Jul-2011 09:32:11] <Hackman238> rubella: Ent only
[27-Jul-2011 09:32:15] <rubella> Mmm, now there are cisco templates, all with port monitoring (graphs etc), +100 ports on 1 device...
[27-Jul-2011 09:32:20] <Hackman238> jmp242: How goes it?
[27-Jul-2011 09:34:28] <Hackman238> jmp242: Are you around later today? Bill wants to work out a date where ZCA and they can have another meeting
[27-Jul-2011 09:34:36] <Hackman238> jmp242: Wanted to chat about logic
[27-Jul-2011 09:35:04] <jmp242> I will be around later today
[27-Jul-2011 09:35:08] <mennie> Hackman238: this is strange, i can telnet port 8789 locally on the eth0 address, but not from collector, there is no iptables
[27-Jul-2011 09:37:15] <Hackman238> mennie: Firewall rule?
[27-Jul-2011 09:38:01] <Hackman238> mennie: mane sure iptables is good on both sides
[27-Jul-2011 09:45:18] <mennie> i don't have iptables
[27-Jul-2011 09:45:54] <SDuensin> Greetings.
[27-Jul-2011 09:48:22] <Hackman238> mennie: Very very odd
[27-Jul-2011 09:48:27] <Hackman238> SDuensin: Morning
[27-Jul-2011 09:48:35] <SDuensin> Hey Hackman238
[27-Jul-2011 09:56:09] <mennie> Hackman238: yes, and they are in the same subnet on a vswitch
[27-Jul-2011 09:56:16] <mennie> Hackman238: ssh etc... works
[27-Jul-2011 09:56:21] <mennie> Hackman238: with keys
[27-Jul-2011 09:56:39] <Hackman238> mennie: Very odd. You'll need to figure why theres a port issue before this will work
[27-Jul-2011 09:57:33] <rubella> and another question: For my command data source, I use a script delivered by Zenoss (check_file_age) and checked the 'use ssh' checkbox. Does this execute the command on the zenoss server, or on the remote server?
[27-Jul-2011 09:58:26] <mennie> 15:58:19.602564 IP collector1.33364 > server.8789: S 2287183512:2287183512(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,nop,nop,sackOK,nop,wscale 7>
[27-Jul-2011 09:58:35] <mennie> Hackman238: it's the software
[27-Jul-2011 10:01:58] <rubella> the check_file_age, must it be present on the target ssh machine? at this moment, the zenoss server and my target server are the same... for testing purposes
[27-Jul-2011 10:02:39] <rubella> so it's difficult to find out if zenoss tunnels my commands to the target, or just executes the remote server script...
[27-Jul-2011 10:03:00] <rubella> probably the last option...
[27-Jul-2011 10:05:11] <mennie> Hackman238: when i do a tcpdump on the zenoss master, i see the traffic
[27-Jul-2011 10:08:42] <Hackman238> rubella: The ssh option in zenoss is...terrible.
[27-Jul-2011 10:09:13] <rubella> hahaha, why?
[27-Jul-2011 10:09:19] <Hackman238> rubella: Instead I'd setup keys to ssh in and change your script to ssh to the target and run
[27-Jul-2011 10:09:47] <rubella> i did, but i receive strange errors...
[27-Jul-2011 10:09:53] <Hackman238> rubella: For the reason you stated...you'll need the script on the remote. It becomes a mess after a while. Try to keep your scripts local.
[27-Jul-2011 10:10:01] <Hackman238> rubella: What error?
[27-Jul-2011 10:10:14] <rubella> on cli, everything works fine, but with zenoss, i saw some strange messages
[27-Jul-2011 10:10:24] <rubella> one sec, i'll try to regenrate the message
[27-Jul-2011 10:10:30] <Hackman238> rubella: Can you post them and I'll try to help
[27-Jul-2011 10:10:38] <Hackman238> rubella: I hate to see you complicate your setup.
[27-Jul-2011 10:10:49] <rubella> yes, true
[27-Jul-2011 10:11:39] <rubella> Preparing Command... Executing command /usr/local/zenoss/common/libexec/backupCheck.sh against localhost.localdomain /usr/bin/ssh: /usr/local/zenoss/common/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8: no version information available (required by /usr/bin/ssh) Host key verification failed. DONE in 0 seconds
[27-Jul-2011 10:11:47] <rubella> on cli, it works fine
[27-Jul-2011 10:12:30] <rubella> zenadmin@zenoss01:/usr/local/zenoss/common/libexec$ ./backupCheck.sh 0 zenadmin@zenoss01:/usr/local/zenoss/common/libexec$
[27-Jul-2011 10:12:40] <rubella> with public/private keys
[27-Jul-2011 10:12:52] <rubella> I execute it with the user zenadmin on cli
[27-Jul-2011 10:12:52] <Hackman238> rubella: Su zenoss, and try it
[27-Jul-2011 10:13:08] <rubella> ok, i'll do
[27-Jul-2011 10:13:11] <Hackman238> rubella: The commands will always execute as the zenoss user
[27-Jul-2011 10:13:33] <rubella> yes, but i already tried yesterday, to create a trust for this user, but didn't work well
[27-Jul-2011 10:13:42] <rubella> try it again, was late yesterday
[27-Jul-2011 10:14:55] <rubella> su zenoss --> password doesn't work
[27-Jul-2011 10:14:58] <rubella> strange
[27-Jul-2011 10:15:23] <rubella> empty one doesn't work, default one neither
[27-Jul-2011 10:16:21] <rubella> Hmmm
[27-Jul-2011 10:16:38] <rubella> sudo su zenoss --> works.... ubuntu server, always a bit different
[27-Jul-2011 10:16:51] <rubella> and I'm a noob
[27-Jul-2011 10:16:58] <rubella> so, the perfect combination
[27-Jul-2011 10:21:22] <Sam-I-Am> the zenoss user has no password
[27-Jul-2011 10:21:35] <rmatte> Is anyone else getting a certificate error when trying to login to the community site?
[27-Jul-2011 10:21:46] <jmp242> there was something about it being revoked
[27-Jul-2011 10:21:51] <rmatte> yeh
[27-Jul-2011 10:21:52] <jmp242> was a bit ago on IRC
[27-Jul-2011 10:21:53] <Hackman238> rubella: If you cant figure the zenoss user password, as root passwd zenoss and blank it
[27-Jul-2011 10:21:56] <rmatte> k, so it's not just me lol
[27-Jul-2011 10:22:07] <Hackman238> rmatte: yep, broke. I emailed Nick
[27-Jul-2011 10:22:13] <rmatte> nice
[27-Jul-2011 10:22:22] <Sam-I-Am> https is overrated anyway
[27-Jul-2011 10:22:23] <Hackman238> jmp242: Did you get my pm?
[27-Jul-2011 10:22:48] <jmp242> hmmm no?
[27-Jul-2011 10:23:04] <rmatte> Sam-I-Am: well, it is if you're using IE6 which only appears to properly use it but doesn't
[27-Jul-2011 10:23:28] <rmatte> what scares me is IE6 is still the most widely used browser
[27-Jul-2011 10:23:29] <Sam-I-Am> lol
[27-Jul-2011 10:23:35] * Sam-I-Am uses ie6 all the time
[27-Jul-2011 10:23:38] <Sam-I-Am> its awesome
[27-Jul-2011 10:23:44] <rmatte> oh so do I, I mean, what else is there really?
[27-Jul-2011 10:24:01] <rmatte> some skinny stupid fox, and some kind of metal called chrome
[27-Jul-2011 10:24:15] <rmatte> and if I want to go on a safari I'll go to africa thank you very much
[27-Jul-2011 10:24:27] <Hackman238> rmatte: Opera
[27-Jul-2011 10:24:29] <rmatte> and I hate operas
[27-Jul-2011 10:24:32] <rmatte>
[27-Jul-2011 10:24:33] <Hackman238> rmatte: Ah man
[27-Jul-2011 10:24:37] <Hackman238> rmatte: lynx
[27-Jul-2011 10:24:48] <rmatte> some skinny stupid cat
[27-Jul-2011 10:24:51] <rmatte>
[27-Jul-2011 10:24:57] <Hackman238> rmatte: you havent used the interwebz until you've seen it in lynx
[27-Jul-2011 10:25:03] <rmatte> but in all seriousness, firefox is by far my browser of choice
[27-Jul-2011 10:25:12] <rmatte> the plugins available for it are fantastic
[27-Jul-2011 10:25:34] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yeah I use Opera for secure stuff, firefox for everything else
[27-Jul-2011 10:25:42] <Hackman238> rmatte: Definately right about the plugins
[27-Jul-2011 10:25:43] <jmp242> Opera FTW here
[27-Jul-2011 10:25:52] <rmatte> I've used lynx and links... they don't work so well these days because people forget to use alt tags
[27-Jul-2011 10:25:54] <rubella> Hackman238: nice, it works now, I still receive following message, but the script executes well
[27-Jul-2011 10:26:08] <Hackman238> rubella: very cool.
[27-Jul-2011 10:26:29] <rmatte> wget is where it's at
[27-Jul-2011 10:26:31] <rmatte>
[27-Jul-2011 10:26:31] <rubella> ### /usr/bin/ssh: /usr/local/zenoss/common/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8: no version information available (required by /usr/bin/ssh)
[27-Jul-2011 10:26:34] <Hackman238> rubella: LOL
[27-Jul-2011 10:26:35] <rmatte> and fetch
[27-Jul-2011 10:26:48] <rmatte> (bsd equivalent)
[27-Jul-2011 10:26:53] <rubella>
[27-Jul-2011 10:26:59] <Hackman238> rubella: Thats a weird error, but long at its working ignore it
[27-Jul-2011 10:27:10] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yep
[27-Jul-2011 10:27:12] <rmatte> I see that error often as the Zenoss user
[27-Jul-2011 10:27:18] <rmatte> something to do with environment variables
[27-Jul-2011 10:27:32] <rubella> wel, now I have output, but as far as i know, zenoss only accept the first line as output... and the first line is the error...
[27-Jul-2011 10:27:49] <rmatte> right, so 2>/dev/null is your friend
[27-Jul-2011 10:27:50] <hmp> just pipe stderr into /dev/null
[27-Jul-2011 10:28:05] <hmp> s/pipe/redirect
[27-Jul-2011 10:28:19] <rmatte> /g
[27-Jul-2011 10:28:22] <rubella> how do I do that with bash scripts?
[27-Jul-2011 10:28:35] <rmatte> 2>/dev/null after what you're executing
[27-Jul-2011 10:28:42] <rmatte> 2 is error code
[27-Jul-2011 10:28:45] <rubella> i see, i'll try it now
[27-Jul-2011 10:28:48] <rmatte> so that redirects errors to /dev/null
[27-Jul-2011 10:28:53] <rubella> i see
[27-Jul-2011 10:29:28] <rmatte> stdout=1 stderr=2
[27-Jul-2011 10:29:47] <rubella> nice, it works! :-)
[27-Jul-2011 10:29:56] * rubella very happy
[27-Jul-2011 10:30:02] <rmatte>
[27-Jul-2011 10:30:53] <rubella> now, i have to reformat the output to nagios acceptable output, and my first basic script is kicking
[27-Jul-2011 10:31:07] <Hackman238> rubella: Glad to hear
[27-Jul-2011 10:31:22] <rubella> yes, now, i'll search for a coffee...
[27-Jul-2011 10:31:29] <Hackman238> rubella: once you have it down its all dowhill battle for command datasources
[27-Jul-2011 10:31:42] <rubella>
[27-Jul-2011 10:32:11] * rubella would like to offer all of you a hot coffee as well
[27-Jul-2011 10:32:26] <rubella> but texas etc is a bit far away
[27-Jul-2011 10:32:36] <rubella> all americans on board?
[27-Jul-2011 10:33:22] <Simon4> not here
[27-Jul-2011 10:34:03] <rubella>
[27-Jul-2011 10:35:01] <dpetzel> any multigraph report gurus around today?
[27-Jul-2011 10:35:19] <Hackman238> rubella: I appreciate the gesture, but I've had more espresso in the last 24 hours than most people drink in a month.
[27-Jul-2011 10:35:37] <Hackman238> rubella: ...damn new espresso pot of mine will probably be the death of me
[27-Jul-2011 10:36:00] <Sam-I-Am> caffeeeeiiiiinnnnneeee
[27-Jul-2011 10:39:25] <rubella>
[27-Jul-2011 10:39:33] <rubella> well, coffee maker is broken...
[27-Jul-2011 10:39:57] <rmatte> rubella: get out the sledge hammer
[27-Jul-2011 10:40:25] Guest40987 is now known as Photon001
[27-Jul-2011 10:40:48] <rubella> well, my english is not very well, so i do not understand 'sledge hammer'... the only sledge hammer i know, is a cop from TV...
[27-Jul-2011 10:40:49] <Photon001> Hi everyone
[27-Jul-2011 10:40:59] <hmp> i hate this NOC job, everything is working and I just sit around and eat bannans
[27-Jul-2011 10:41:07] <rubella>
[27-Jul-2011 10:41:14] <Photon001> I need some help with zenmodeler
[27-Jul-2011 10:41:29] <jmp242> hmp: watch streaming TV shows lol
[27-Jul-2011 10:41:47] <rmatte> Photon001: what about it?
[27-Jul-2011 10:43:13] <Photon001> well, once I added like 6 machines using discovery feature, I affected the HP Proliant Zenpack modeler plugins, then when I try modeling it takes forever
[27-Jul-2011 10:43:31] <Photon001> and doesnt even show something on the screen
[27-Jul-2011 10:44:42] <hmp> Photon001: did you try running it from cli with increassed verbosity?
[27-Jul-2011 10:45:20] <Photon001> no we didnt :s
[27-Jul-2011 10:45:56] <hmp> i found that as the best way of tracking why any demon is not running as it should
[27-Jul-2011 10:45:58] <Photon001> it's working nicely today though... seemed like it had some parallel modeling ongoing beside the one i triggered
[27-Jul-2011 10:46:31] <Photon001> Okaay, thx for the advice
[27-Jul-2011 10:46:49] <Photon001> any idea as to why it bugged though ?
[27-Jul-2011 10:47:23] <Hackman238> hmp: Where you work?
[27-Jul-2011 10:47:33] <hmp> its an NREN
[27-Jul-2011 10:47:52] <hmp> in Croatia
[27-Jul-2011 10:48:14] <Hackman238> hmp: I ask since Rackspace has a policy which provides free unlimited fruit to employees and bananas are huge here. I have two on my desk now.
[27-Jul-2011 10:48:22] <Hackman238> hmp: Oh wow
[27-Jul-2011 10:48:24] <Hackman238> hmp: LOL
[27-Jul-2011 10:48:43] <Hackman238> hmp: Thought maybe you were here at RS for a minute LOL
[27-Jul-2011 10:48:55] <hmp> would like to
[27-Jul-2011 10:49:04] <hmp> since i wouldnt have to spend my money on bannanas
[27-Jul-2011 10:50:02] <Photon001> any idea ? I don't want to have the same problem again
[27-Jul-2011 10:50:55] <Hackman238> Photon001: Whats the problem?
[27-Jul-2011 10:52:05] <Photon001> <Hackman238> : My zenmodeler bugged seriously yesterday after a device discovery
[27-Jul-2011 10:52:10] <Hackman238> hmp: If you've skills and are looking for a change of pace apply to RS. Its the best place to work!
[27-Jul-2011 10:52:25] <Hackman238> Photon001: Did it give you trace or just blow up?
[27-Jul-2011 10:53:00] <Photon001> <Hackman238> : No trace on the web interface once i clic on the model button, but I have its logs
[27-Jul-2011 10:54:06] <Hackman238> Photon001: So modeling is failing or is the daemon failing to run?
[27-Jul-2011 10:55:16] <Photon001> <Hackman238> : Modeling was done like reaaally long after I asked for it. Once I tried to model, I got some heartbeat failures. Mainly from Zenhub and Zenmodel
[27-Jul-2011 10:56:00] <rmatte> Photon001: ignore heartbeat failures, they are useless
[27-Jul-2011 10:56:25] <Hackman238> Photon001: Interesting. Int he list of modeler plugins, are you collcing routes or softwaer packages?
[27-Jul-2011 10:56:36] <Photon001> <rmatte> : okaay
[27-Jul-2011 10:57:29] <Photon001> <Hackman238> : Yes, I have a routing table modeler. I also have IP services modeler (SNMP one)
[27-Jul-2011 10:58:10] <Photon001> It's working perfectly today. As if it had some serious jobs going on
[27-Jul-2011 10:58:56] <Hackman238> Photon001: Gotcha. That could have been a few things.
[27-Jul-2011 11:00:04] <Hackman238> Photon001: 1) zenhub jam up, 2) several commit/conflict/conflict resolve/commit sycles during commit of numberous objects like routes or 3) device slow, but consistant, reply of snmp route table data
[27-Jul-2011 11:00:14] <Photon001> Another info : On the morning, I found this log entry : 2011-07-27 04:34:57,668 INFO zen.ZenModeler: Scan time: 2147.12 seconds
[27-Jul-2011 11:01:36] <Photon001> <Hackman238> : Okaaay. 1) Seems likely. 2) Didnt understand that one 3) unlikely, since routing tables are minimal
[27-Jul-2011 11:02:25] <rubella> guys, I have to go, enjoy the day and thanks a lot for the support!
[27-Jul-2011 11:02:27] <rubella> ciao!
[27-Jul-2011 11:05:20] <Photon001> <Hackman238> : Can you elaborate your points plz ?
[27-Jul-2011 11:08:45] <Hackman238> Photon001: In cases where the zodb has rel issues or concurrent operations are occuring on linked objects commit conflicts can occur.
[27-Jul-2011 11:09:07] <Hackman238> All, Nick just emailed me he's looking in to the cert issue
[27-Jul-2011 11:09:23] <rmatte> to translate to english, in cases where the zope database has relation issues...
[27-Jul-2011 11:09:26] <rmatte>
[27-Jul-2011 11:09:54] <Photon001> okaay
[27-Jul-2011 11:10:06] <Hackman238> Photon001: If the route tables are minimal the conflic resolve wouldnt snowball in to long model times
[27-Jul-2011 11:10:58] <mennie> Hackman238: suddenly, it connects, but i get error KeyError: 'collector1'
[27-Jul-2011 11:11:01] <Hackman238> Photon001: Ex. 8,000 routes, say takes 4 seconds. If neeind to conflict resolve even half of them, that could add another 250-500 ms each route.
[27-Jul-2011 11:11:23] <Hackman238> mennie: ah yep. Zodb prob. Can su zenoss and zenchkrels -x1 -r?
[27-Jul-2011 11:11:39] <Photon001> <Hackman238> : I have only 6 routes (maximum estimation) per machine
[27-Jul-2011 11:12:10] <Photon001> <Hackman238> : Could it be Ip services scan time ? or bad OIDs waits ?
[27-Jul-2011 11:12:47] <mennie> Hackman238: on the master?
[27-Jul-2011 11:12:50] <Hackman238> Photon001: They all increase the time, but if there are huge numbers it wont accumulate to much
[27-Jul-2011 11:12:55] <Hackman238> mennie: Yes please
[27-Jul-2011 11:13:12] <mennie> Hackman238: i can, but what should i look for? it gives a lot of lines
[27-Jul-2011 11:14:34] <Hackman238> mennie: Just let it run. If it stops with traceback, copy and send that. If it runs okay, we can move on to next test
[27-Jul-2011 11:14:46] <mennie> it runs just fine
[27-Jul-2011 11:14:59] <Hackman238> mennie: Gotcha.
[27-Jul-2011 11:15:07] <Hackman238> mennie: Next as zenoss user on master
[27-Jul-2011 11:15:10] <Hackman238> zendmd
[27-Jul-2011 11:15:25] <Hackman238> for i in dmd.getSubObjects():
[27-Jul-2011 11:15:28] <Hackman238> try:
[27-Jul-2011 11:15:40] <Hackman238> i.checkRelations(repair=True)
[27-Jul-2011 11:15:43] <Hackman238> except:
[27-Jul-2011 11:15:55] <Hackman238> pass
[27-Jul-2011 11:16:07] <Hackman238> mennie: then return twice
[27-Jul-2011 11:16:17] <Hackman238> This could take a little while to finish
[27-Jul-2011 11:16:28] <Hackman238> Once done issue commit()
[27-Jul-2011 11:16:45] <Photon001> Another question.. What's reindex() commit() in zendmd for ?
[27-Jul-2011 11:17:42] <mennie> Hackman238: File "<console>", line 4
[27-Jul-2011 11:18:11] <Hackman238> mennie: try it again but add an extra space before try:
[27-Jul-2011 11:18:19] <Hackman238> mennie: I miss typed that line
[27-Jul-2011 11:18:52] <mennie> that does something
[27-Jul-2011 11:19:46] <Hackman238> mennie:
[27-Jul-2011 11:20:12] <mennie> it's done
[27-Jul-2011 11:20:15] <rmatte> reindex() is exactly what it sounds like, to reindex the database
[27-Jul-2011 11:20:22] <rmatte> commit() is to commit changes made to the database
[27-Jul-2011 11:20:29] <rmatte> until commit() is done, the changes are virtual
[27-Jul-2011 11:20:51] <mennie> like junos
[27-Jul-2011 11:20:52] <Hackman238> mennie: do a commit() then a reindex()
[27-Jul-2011 11:21:28] <Hackman238> rmatte: Its egors distributed collector pack...it botches relationship deconstruction on collector removal
[27-Jul-2011 11:21:28] <mennie> Hackman238: also done
[27-Jul-2011 11:21:34] <Hackman238> mennie: another commit()
[27-Jul-2011 11:21:45] <Hackman238> mennie: the CTRL + D
[27-Jul-2011 11:22:09] <Hackman238> mennie: zopectl restart and try to 'update remote collectors' on collector page
[27-Jul-2011 11:29:51] <mennie> it takes forever
[27-Jul-2011 11:36:49] <mennie> pff, it's done
[27-Jul-2011 11:38:21] <Hackman238> mennie: Update collectors?
[27-Jul-2011 11:38:51] <mennie> yes
[27-Jul-2011 11:39:10] <Hackman238> mennie: nice. on the remote collector as zenoss do zenperfsnmp run now -v10
[27-Jul-2011 11:40:20] <mennie> no errors
[27-Jul-2011 11:42:20] <Hackman238> mennie: Nice.
[27-Jul-2011 11:42:47] <Hackman238> mennie: Go ahead and assign devices to the new remote collectors and check their graphs in 15-20 minutes
[27-Jul-2011 11:43:32] <Photon001> <Hackman238> : Thanks for your help.
[27-Jul-2011 11:43:43] <Photon001> <rmatte> : Thank you too
[27-Jul-2011 11:44:18] <dhopp> Hackman238: does that only happen with Egor's pack when you remove a collector?
[27-Jul-2011 11:45:21] <Hackman238> Photon001: no problem
[27-Jul-2011 11:45:23] <Hackman238> dhopp: Yep
[27-Jul-2011 11:46:20] <dhopp> Hackman238: has anybody mentioned it to Egor? To hopefully fix/
[27-Jul-2011 11:46:21] <dhopp> ?
[27-Jul-2011 11:47:34] <Hackman238> dhopp: I dont know
[27-Jul-2011 11:49:22] <mennie> Hackman238: sometimes the zenhub just stops responding to remote requests, when i restart it it works
[27-Jul-2011 11:49:52] <Hackman238> mennie: That'll happen, but it shouldnt happen alot
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[27-Jul-2011 12:10:11] <dhopp> ok..quick question..I was going to post to the forum but my browsers aren't liking the revoked cert (I wonder why..)
[27-Jul-2011 12:10:24] <dhopp> message/60248#60248 is the forum post
[27-Jul-2011 12:11:54] <dhopp> If I have multiple clients that have their own firewalls…lets say the private networks are 192.168.1.0/24 for both clients, but on the outside of the firewalls client A has 10.1.1.0/24 and client b has 10.1.2.0/24. With Zenoss I will be monitoring the 10.x.x.x IPs, but the modeling will obviously discover the 192.168.1.x addresses..is this going to cause Zenoss to complain?
[27-Jul-2011 12:14:56] <Hackman238> dhopp: Eventually...yes
[27-Jul-2011 12:15:12] <Hackman238> dhopp: You;ll need to use the multi ip realm pack
[27-Jul-2011 12:15:26] <Hackman238> dhopp: ip overlap is otherwise forbidden and can be a pain
[27-Jul-2011 12:15:53] <dhopp> ip realm pack is enterprise only though right?
[27-Jul-2011 12:16:18] <Hackman238> dhopp: That Im not sure about.
[27-Jul-2011 12:16:22] <Hackman238> rmatte: You know?
[27-Jul-2011 12:16:50] <dhopp> Hackman238: Nick mentioned in that forum post the ip realm pack and that is how it is solved in enterprise
[27-Jul-2011 12:17:23] <dhopp> ugh..I'm going to have to make sure we don't actually have that scenario (I know most of our clients do not have ip overlap, but I don't know about 100% of them)
[27-Jul-2011 12:17:52] <klone> the multi-realm ip zenpack is an enterprise zp
[27-Jul-2011 12:18:07] <Hackman238> klone: Darn.
[27-Jul-2011 12:18:21] <Hackman238> dhopp: I think theres a community solution. I ahvent looked
[27-Jul-2011 12:18:43] <Hackman238> dhopp: If there isnt that should go on the ZCA list of areas to conquer
[27-Jul-2011 12:18:44] <klone> docs/DOC-7820
[27-Jul-2011 12:21:31] <Hackman238> dhopp: send me a reminder about this need at hackman238@gmail.com
[27-Jul-2011 12:22:02] <Hackman238> dhopp: Its too complex for me to research while wading through avalon migration vomit, but I promise I'll look at in in a day or so
[27-Jul-2011 12:28:31] <Hackman238> Lunch. be back in a bit
[27-Jul-2011 12:40:52] <rmatte> logins are working again on the community site, FYI
[27-Jul-2011 13:15:13] <jmp242> back from lunch
[27-Jul-2011 13:21:59] <Guest94635> hey, my router just went down and my zenoss2.5 is sending out a shit load of alerts. Is there a way i can stop current alerts going out since it's in queue already? My mail server doesn't allow more than 500 emails an hour
[27-Jul-2011 13:22:17] <Guest94635> email alerts are slowly trickling in now that it passed 500 emails this hour
[27-Jul-2011 13:22:34] <klone> zenactions stop
[27-Jul-2011 13:22:52] <Guest94635> hey klone, that zenoss3 fix worked perfectly
[27-Jul-2011 13:23:02] <Guest94635> how long do i need to keep it in 'stop'?
[27-Jul-2011 13:23:11] <klone> oh, the ipservice patch?
[27-Jul-2011 13:23:43] <Guest94635> yup, and i was able to setup another server. installed zenoss, installed patch, restore zenoss
[27-Jul-2011 13:24:05] <klone> right on
[27-Jul-2011 13:24:27] <Guest94635> when would i be able to turn the zenactions on again?
[27-Jul-2011 13:24:36] <Guest94635> and not get the queued alerts
[27-Jul-2011 13:25:05] <klone> zenactions doesn't actually do any queueing, so once the event storm is over you can start it back up
[27-Jul-2011 13:26:59] <Guest94635> gotcha... i have 500 devices doing ping only... maybe another hour before i turn it back on?
[27-Jul-2011 13:30:24] <mennie> god dammit, my graphs are still empty
[27-Jul-2011 13:31:54] <klone> Guest94635 - yep
[27-Jul-2011 13:34:00] <Guest94635> thanks, sucks balls when you havn't configured any dependencies and monitoring 500 devices from 4 different zenoss boxes rofl
[27-Jul-2011 13:36:33] <Hackman238> too much burrito....
[27-Jul-2011 13:36:44] <klone> Hackman238 - no such thing
[27-Jul-2011 13:36:53] <klone>
[27-Jul-2011 13:41:04] <Hackman238> klone: LOL
[27-Jul-2011 14:28:04] <nexex> Is there a way to change the font used in the graphs?
[27-Jul-2011 14:28:44] <Hackman238> nexex: Yep. Google for rrdtool docs by tobi
[27-Jul-2011 15:04:15] <dhopp> Ok not a zenoss question but there are enough techies in here…anybody have a suggestion for a good mid range home theater receiver? Needs to have at least 4 HDMI inputs and 7.1 surround sound. Not looking to spend a ton of money but it is time to upgrade my 10 year old receiver
[27-Jul-2011 15:05:02] <Hackman238> dhopp: I do a lot with audio and personally I try to stay away from the newer recievers
[27-Jul-2011 15:05:17] <Hackman238> dhopp: The features are nice but they are painfully and in some cases impossible to repair
[27-Jul-2011 15:05:48] <Hackman238> dhopp: A nice PC with a good M-Audio card can handle your needs far better
[27-Jul-2011 15:06:07] <Hackman238> dhopp: ...maybe not, but thats what I do
[27-Jul-2011 15:08:27] <Sam-I-Am> nothing like surface mount everything
[27-Jul-2011 15:08:40] <Sam-I-Am> i need to get rid of my 7.1 system
[27-Jul-2011 15:09:01] <Sam-I-Am> bought it a couple of years ago expecting to expand to a lot of speakers... then i moved back into an apartment and its just not worth the cash
[27-Jul-2011 15:09:38] <Hackman238> Sam-I-Am: LOL
[27-Jul-2011 15:12:31] <Sam-I-Am> so if you want to buy it
[27-Jul-2011 15:12:40] <Sam-I-Am> only has 2-3 hdmi inputs though
[27-Jul-2011 15:14:40] <dhopp> Hackman238: I wasn't looking at the newest…looking at some 2009 models from Denon and Onkyo
[27-Jul-2011 15:14:59] <Sam-I-Am> mine is a denon
[27-Jul-2011 15:15:23] <dhopp> I actually only have 5.1 speaker setup, but the price difference between 5.1 and 7.1 is fairly small so might as well get that just in case :-P
[27-Jul-2011 15:15:37] <Sam-I-Am> wish i could find a very simple 2 speaker system that accepted optical digital audio inputs
[27-Jul-2011 15:15:57] <Sam-I-Am> my biggest beef with the 2 channel units is they're all RCA... which is fine and dandy if you have things with RCA outputs.
[27-Jul-2011 15:16:15] <Sam-I-Am> i guess analog heads hate digital anyway
[27-Jul-2011 15:16:27] <Sam-I-Am> but i'm tired of ground loops and buzz from wires passing near other wires
[27-Jul-2011 15:16:40] <Guest94635> Hey, i just turned zenactions back on and all the alerts still came through, any suggestion klone?
[27-Jul-2011 15:17:12] <Sam-I-Am> zenactions runs periodically and checks active events against the alerting rules
[27-Jul-2011 15:17:31] <Sam-I-Am> if theres active events which match alerting rules, running zenactions will spit them all out to your email/pager
[27-Jul-2011 15:18:30] <Sam-I-Am> also, as a side note, the interval in which zenactions runs affects how quickly you get alerts
[27-Jul-2011 15:18:45] <Sam-I-Am> and if its too long, an event which comes and goes between runs will get missed
[27-Jul-2011 15:18:51] <Sam-I-Am> (in case you're paranoid)
[27-Jul-2011 15:19:21] <Guest94635> cool, where is the timing settings at?
[27-Jul-2011 15:20:29] <Sam-I-Am> its in the config file
[27-Jul-2011 15:20:36] <Sam-I-Am> default is every minute i think
[27-Jul-2011 15:20:42] <Sam-I-Am> now... making it too small will raise resource use
[27-Jul-2011 15:20:54] <Sam-I-Am> since its querying the DB for active events
[27-Jul-2011 15:21:11] <Sam-I-Am> i got away with 10-20s
[27-Jul-2011 15:28:03] <mloven> heh.... love the topic...
[27-Jul-2011 15:28:52] <Hackman238> mloven:
[27-Jul-2011 15:37:59] <Sam-I-Am> to the scareport!
[27-Jul-2011 15:50:14] <dhopp> ok..this is actually a pretty decent article that summarizes a few different documents…glad to see this..http://betasupport.zenoss.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=16059
[27-Jul-2011 15:52:18] <nyeates> dhopp: which ones u like?
[27-Jul-2011 15:52:52] <dhopp> oops
[27-Jul-2011 15:52:55] <dhopp> I thought that was the article
[27-Jul-2011 15:53:05] <dhopp> the Tune Zenoss for better performance
[27-Jul-2011 15:53:21] <nyeates> ahh yeah, Simon and I put that together...mostly him
[27-Jul-2011 15:53:27] <dhopp> http://betasupport.zenoss.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=10
[27-Jul-2011 15:53:31] <dhopp> that one :-)
[27-Jul-2011 15:53:36] <nyeates> he is the godfather of zenoss performance
[27-Jul-2011 15:53:51] <mattray> oh snap, the KB is open now?
[27-Jul-2011 15:54:03] <nyeates> helllz yeah :-)
[27-Jul-2011 15:54:11] <mattray> 'bout f'ing time
[27-Jul-2011 15:54:15] <dhopp> I had seen a lot of that in various documents…but this does a good job of summarizing and explaining
[27-Jul-2011 15:54:17] <nyeates> I convinced rusty
[27-Jul-2011 15:54:24] <dhopp> mattray: the url is in the topic :-P
[27-Jul-2011 15:54:27] <dhopp> or what I just posted
[27-Jul-2011 15:54:28] <dhopp> heh
[27-Jul-2011 15:54:29] <nyeates> to do like nike 'just do it'
[27-Jul-2011 15:54:36] <mattray> rusty was for it initially, he got shot down by other factions
[27-Jul-2011 15:54:51] <mattray> but anyway, lots of good content in there
[27-Jul-2011 15:56:13] <nyeates> yeah - all us in support were always ffor the KB going out...mostly sales didnt want to....now with Tim more on board with community....'just do it'
[27-Jul-2011 16:22:04] <dhopp> for performance it says that the zeodb should be on a fast file system…is that more for writes or reads (I'm guessing reads). So would RAID10 be best?
[27-Jul-2011 16:22:28] <dhopp> or would RAID5/6 across a lot of spindles be better?
[27-Jul-2011 16:25:57] <nyeates> keep in mind that zodb is not what is used for keeping monitoring specs, which is the bigest write bottleneck
[27-Jul-2011 16:26:40] <nyeates> zodb holds the objects - the devices, what components they have, modeled data, the class hierarchies
[27-Jul-2011 16:27:37] <nyeates> i would want simon to chime in here, but my guess is that you want better reads and writes, but mostly increased read performance on zodb
[27-Jul-2011 16:28:18] <nyeates> increased reads, and very persistant...you cant risk losing your zodb
[27-Jul-2011 16:28:41] <nyeates> can anyone backup my logic above?
[27-Jul-2011 16:33:39] <rmatte> too bad those support docs aren't available to the community, though the community tweak zenoss doc is pretty good
[27-Jul-2011 16:33:51] <rmatte> I'm sure that KB goes in to more in-depth zope/rrd tuning though
[27-Jul-2011 16:35:59] <mattray> rmatte: they're not in the KB?
[27-Jul-2011 16:37:08] <mattray> this is pretty good: http://betasupport.zenoss.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=16059
[27-Jul-2011 16:37:10] <rmatte> I can't see the KB is what I'm saying
[27-Jul-2011 16:37:16] <rmatte> since it's in the support portal
[27-Jul-2011 16:37:35] <rmatte> oh nevermind, it worked with your link
[27-Jul-2011 16:38:08] <nyeates> uggh 150 accts today, 10 of which looked ligit
[27-Jul-2011 16:38:14] <nyeates> spammers are increasing their efforts
[27-Jul-2011 16:38:30] <rmatte> lame
[27-Jul-2011 16:39:20] <nyeates> KB works for community
[27-Jul-2011 16:39:23] <SDuensin> Might I just say, I hate Windows.
[27-Jul-2011 16:39:32] <rmatte> you guys should use an image based captcha system
[27-Jul-2011 16:39:40] <nyeates> I think you have to visit http://betasupport.zenoss.com first to get a cookie
[27-Jul-2011 16:39:45] <rmatte> when you need to describe something in the photo
[27-Jul-2011 16:39:45] <nyeates> then u can go to other pages....sucks i know
[27-Jul-2011 16:39:50] <rmatte> tree, house, grass, whatever
[27-Jul-2011 16:40:10] <rmatte> s/when/where
[27-Jul-2011 16:40:40] <nyeates> we use macs Cmd+shift+4 :-)
[27-Jul-2011 16:41:44] <rmatte> wow, this is the best article on there: http://betasupport.zenoss.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=23
[27-Jul-2011 16:41:49] mrchippy_ is now known as mrchippy
[27-Jul-2011 16:53:01] <dhopp> nyeates: I know the RRD is the most IO intensive and that will be on RAID10. Just wondering if I should break out my zodb to a separate raid10 or raid5 system from the rest of the zenoss installation…it's going to be ~1000 devices (give or take depending on how much dev stuff we want) with probably ~20 constant users looking at the dashboard (during peak time probably as high as 50 users)
[27-Jul-2011 16:54:21] <dhopp> mattray: does that need to be done on the main zenoss box or the remote collector or both? The KB doesn't really say.
[27-Jul-2011 16:55:01] <dhopp> SDuensin: more likely than not, that is a common feeling in here :-)
[27-Jul-2011 16:55:04] <nyeates> rmatte: oh wow, didnr know there was a KB on that.... that was one i found and fixed....easy to spot logic bug in the code
[27-Jul-2011 16:55:32] <dhopp> oops..I meant rmatte: does that need to be done on the main zenoss box or the remote collector or both? Â The KB doesn't really say.
[27-Jul-2011 16:57:02] <nyeates> dhopp: that # of devices should be ok if you have a beefy system.....that many users viewing...youll obviously have huge read loads on the main object databas: zodb
[27-Jul-2011 16:57:37] <nyeates> If you have UI slowness or pageload slowness.....high chance is that zodb is getting slammed
[27-Jul-2011 16:58:13] <dhopp> nyeates: the main system is going to be 16 core with 32 GB of RAM, but will probably share mysql on it initially (mysql will have it's own disks on it's own raid controller)
[27-Jul-2011 16:58:29] <dhopp> but that system will not be doing any monitoring, remote collectors for that
[27-Jul-2011 16:58:58] <nyeates> Nice
[27-Jul-2011 16:59:53] <dhopp> nyeates: you might want to clarify this article http://betasupport.zenoss.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=23
[27-Jul-2011 17:00:06] <dhopp> it doesn't say whether that should be done on the remote collector or main zenoss box
[27-Jul-2011 17:00:14] <dhopp> although I guess zope only really runs on the main box
[27-Jul-2011 17:00:17] <dhopp> never mind
[27-Jul-2011 17:00:18] <dhopp> heh
[27-Jul-2011 17:00:22] <dhopp> been a long day
[27-Jul-2011 17:00:41] <nyeates> Yeha its only for main box....in enterprise the code change will mibgrate anyway i believe
[27-Jul-2011 17:01:04] <nyeates> collectors work very differently in core
[27-Jul-2011 17:01:34] <nyeates> at least, that is my understanding.....i need to go try out the core collector zenpacks
[27-Jul-2011 17:02:32] <dhopp> yeah they work differently from what I understand (I don't think they handle zenhub disappearing very well)..but it's not that hard to setup
[27-Jul-2011 17:15:14] <Hackman238> Have to run
[27-Jul-2011 17:47:45] <Andrew__> Hi everyone
[27-Jul-2011 17:48:15] <Andrew__> Anyone here able to help me with some Threshold configuration?
[27-Jul-2011 17:49:30] <Andrew__> I'm trying to create a Threshold for a graph by using a value from SNMP. So I thought I could add a Data Point for the value, then make the Threshold Max value my Data Point * 0.90, but I can't seem to figure out the expression to do it
[27-Jul-2011 17:50:21] <dhopp> what is the data point?
[27-Jul-2011 17:52:19] <Andrew__> It's called "Maximum Connections" and has a OID of 1.3.6.1.4.1.8741.1.3.1.1.0
[27-Jul-2011 17:52:45] <Andrew__> currently set as a GUAGE... the value is 5000 right now for the device I am testing it with
[27-Jul-2011 17:53:59] <dhopp> and what does your expression look like?
[27-Jul-2011 17:55:02] <dhopp> and what is the maximum value that it can be?
[27-Jul-2011 17:56:06] <dhopp> if you try to take the current value and take 90% of that, that wouldn't tell you anything if you did get it to work because the current value is always going to be greater then 90% of that value
[27-Jul-2011 17:56:41] <Andrew__> well thats where I'm seeing conflicting documentation... from reading the Administrators Guide it looks like it should be "__EVAL:here.connectionsMaximum + ",0.9,*"
[27-Jul-2011 17:56:57] <Andrew__> other places do not show the EVAL stuff
[27-Jul-2011 17:57:04] <Andrew__> As for the value, it stays static at 5000
[27-Jul-2011 17:57:37] <dhopp> so I'm assuming you have another value you are actually trying to compare to this Maximum?
[27-Jul-2011 17:57:55] <Andrew__> the idea is that I have various models of one firewall... each has a different maximum connections value. Luckily they report that via SNMP so I figured I would take that max value, multiple my 0.9 and get a 90% threshold for every firewall irregardless of model
[27-Jul-2011 17:58:16] <Andrew__> yes there is a Current Connections data point as well
[27-Jul-2011 17:58:21] <dhopp> that should be able to work...
[27-Jul-2011 17:58:23] <dhopp> hrm
[27-Jul-2011 17:59:51] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away
[27-Jul-2011 18:00:51] <Andrew__> What I get when I have that EVAL in there for the threshold is:
[27-Jul-2011 18:00:52] <Andrew__> User-supplied Python expression (__EVAL:connectionsMaximum + ",0.90,*") for maximum value caused error: ['MaximumConnections_MaximumConnections']
[27-Jul-2011 18:00:59] <Andrew__> when I try to view the Graphs
[27-Jul-2011 18:01:25] <Andrew__> connectionsMaximum is an alias ID for the data point. I hope that is correct usage
[27-Jul-2011 18:03:47] <dhopp> Andrew__: I was trying to figure it out but I just realized what time it is and today is one day I have to jet out of the office...
[27-Jul-2011 18:03:59] <Andrew__> nooo
[27-Jul-2011 18:04:14] <Andrew__> Are you around tomorrow?
[27-Jul-2011 18:04:15] <dhopp> Andrew__: if you can't figure it out, pop on here tomorrow and I can try to help
[27-Jul-2011 18:04:20] <Andrew__> ok
[27-Jul-2011 18:04:44] <dhopp> Andrew__: a little earlier in the day is better as this chat has quite a few knowledgable zenoss community members
[27-Jul-2011 18:04:53] <dhopp> or you can post something to the forums at community.zenoss.org
[27-Jul-2011 18:05:08] <Andrew__> yeah im trying to get my login to work on the site... registration issues right now
[27-Jul-2011 18:05:12] <Andrew__> thanks dhopp
[27-Jul-2011 18:05:14] <dhopp> anyway I got to run
[27-Jul-2011 19:36:58] <Andrew__> Anyone have a How To on creating a 90% Threshold based off of using an SNMP Data Point?
[27-Jul-2011 19:37:29] <Andrew__> the idea is that I have various models of one firewall... each has a different maximum connections value. Luckily they report that via SNMP so I figured I would take that max value, multiply by 0.9 and get a 90% threshold for every firewall irregardless of model
[27-Jul-2011 19:38:15] <Andrew__> but I can't figure out for the life of me how to go about it, I've read documentation for about 10 hours now
[27-Jul-2011 19:45:22] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk
[27-Jul-2011 20:23:57] <rmatte> Andrew__: you still around?
[27-Jul-2011 20:24:26] <Andrew__> Yeah im here
[27-Jul-2011 20:24:37] <rmatte> k... so for your threshold question...
[27-Jul-2011 20:24:53] <rmatte> you need a datasource representing the maximum number of connections
[27-Jul-2011 20:25:01] <rmatte> and then one representing the number of connections in use
[27-Jul-2011 20:25:02] <Andrew__> check
[27-Jul-2011 20:25:06] <Andrew__> check
[27-Jul-2011 20:25:11] <Andrew__> so far so good
[27-Jul-2011 20:25:19] <rmatte> then you create a new datasource applied against the number of connections in use...
[27-Jul-2011 20:25:25] <rmatte> and for the max value, you do something like...
[27-Jul-2011 20:25:49] <rmatte> here.getRRDValue('TotalConnections') * 0.9
[27-Jul-2011 20:25:58] <rmatte> where TotalConnections is the name of the datasource
[27-Jul-2011 20:26:12] <rmatte> that would result in a dynamic 90% threshold
[27-Jul-2011 20:26:21] <Andrew__> so my max value data source which has the maximum available connections would be "TotalConnections"
[27-Jul-2011 20:26:41] <rmatte> right, just replace that with whatever you named that datasource
[27-Jul-2011 20:26:58] <Andrew__> right now I have a Data Source and point called MaximumConnections and a value expected to be 5000 when polled. Let me try
[27-Jul-2011 20:27:07] <rmatte> and the getRRDValue function will pull that value in each cycle and then multiply is by 0.9 which results in a value that is 90% of the maximum
[27-Jul-2011 20:27:38] <Andrew__> Ok so I set that here... line as the Max Value for my threshold I want?
[27-Jul-2011 20:27:44] <Andrew__> or do I make that a separate datasource
[27-Jul-2011 20:27:53] <rmatte> just a heads up, you may see an error on your graphs page for a few polling cycles after you apply that, it's harmless, just means that it doesn't have enough data yet to do the calculation (if you just started polling for the data recently)
[27-Jul-2011 20:28:11] <rmatte> you set that as the max value
[27-Jul-2011 20:28:34] <rmatte> here represents the device, and the getRRDValue function pulls in the current value for maximum connections each cycle
[27-Jul-2011 20:29:11] <Andrew__> I think Ive been missing the getRRDValue portion the whole time. I've seen that nowhere
[27-Jul-2011 20:29:12] <rmatte> then you can do a multiplication to make it whatever percentage of the max that you want
[27-Jul-2011 20:29:29] <rmatte> yeh, it's a trick that I learned a while back, but it's not really documented anywhere
[27-Jul-2011 20:29:35] <rmatte> I use it in some of my ZenPacks
[27-Jul-2011 20:30:17] <Andrew__> Looks like it's working. My god that was difficult
[27-Jul-2011 20:30:21] <Andrew__> you are amazing
[27-Jul-2011 20:30:26] <rmatte> thanks lol
[27-Jul-2011 20:30:38] <rmatte> I've been using Zenoss for close to 3 years so I know all the tricks
[27-Jul-2011 20:30:42] <Andrew__> I had two seasoned IT guys looking at this for about 10 hours each. Driving us CRAZY
[27-Jul-2011 20:30:49] <rmatte> lol
[27-Jul-2011 20:31:44] <rmatte> hmmm, I just realized I mistyped my first instruction, probably confused you "[08:23pm] <@rmatte> then you create a new datasource applied against the number of connections in use..."
[27-Jul-2011 20:31:48] <rmatte> meant to say create a new threshold
[27-Jul-2011 20:31:58] <rmatte> but glad it's working
[27-Jul-2011 20:32:08] <Andrew__> you wouldn't happen to know how to bind the fping zenpack to a template rather than a specific device would you? Whenver I do that I get no graphs.
[27-Jul-2011 20:32:38] <rmatte> wouldn't you just bind the template to the /Devices class?
[27-Jul-2011 20:32:50] <rmatte> that way it would apply to everything
[27-Jul-2011 20:33:01] <Andrew__> yeah you would think... but I do so and get nothing. If I bind it right to a device, then they show
[27-Jul-2011 20:33:17] <Andrew__> Like everythign today... frustrating and baffling
[27-Jul-2011 20:33:18] <Andrew__> lol
[27-Jul-2011 20:33:45] <rmatte> hmmm, it's possible that you have different bindings under different classes (you probably do), and they override what's set higher up
[27-Jul-2011 20:33:56] <rmatte> you'll have to go through class by class and bind it
[27-Jul-2011 20:34:07] <rmatte> quicker than binding it individually to every device
[27-Jul-2011 20:34:43] <rmatte> try to stay away from changing settings right on devices themselves, it quickly becomes unmanageable
[27-Jul-2011 20:34:53] <rmatte> only do it if you absolutely have to
[27-Jul-2011 20:34:59] <Andrew__> Yeah this is a new install so I'm trying to make it clean by group
[27-Jul-2011 20:35:22] <Andrew__> I only have one monitoring template bound to a class
[27-Jul-2011 20:35:29] <rmatte> but yeh, a lot of classes already have bindings set on them, and binding set on a sub-class always overrides what's set at the /Devices level
[27-Jul-2011 20:35:30] <Andrew__> for that thing we just fixed
[27-Jul-2011 20:35:42] <rmatte> you can bind multiple templates
[27-Jul-2011 20:35:44] <Andrew__> oh wait
[27-Jul-2011 20:36:26] <Andrew__> So if I bind my "SonicWALL" monitoring template to my SonicWALL class and have a device in there... it removes any monitoring tempaltes bound higher up in the heirarchy?
[27-Jul-2011 20:36:30] <Andrew__> such as /Devices?
[27-Jul-2011 20:36:45] <rmatte> correct
[27-Jul-2011 20:36:49] <Andrew__> ugh
[27-Jul-2011 20:37:10] <rmatte> the reasoning for it is because the template bindings are actually a zProperty
[27-Jul-2011 20:37:21] <rmatte> and zProperties set on classes override what's set higher up
[27-Jul-2011 20:37:50] <rmatte> the property is zDeviceTemplates
[27-Jul-2011 20:38:10] <rmatte> they have an interface to make it easier to manage the bindings so that you don't need to edit the property by hand, though it can be done
[27-Jul-2011 20:38:22] <rmatte> but that's the reason why
[27-Jul-2011 20:38:37] <Andrew__> ok so I added fping as a bound template to the SonicWALL class then and it doesnt show still. Doesn't show up as a Monitoring Template on the left when viewing a device
[27-Jul-2011 20:38:57] <Andrew__> it should show in that configuration right?
[27-Jul-2011 20:39:04] <rmatte> hold on...
[27-Jul-2011 20:39:11] <rmatte> you said you only have one device under that class right?
[27-Jul-2011 20:39:25] <Andrew__> just one firewall im monitoring so far yeah
[27-Jul-2011 20:39:33] <Andrew__> im probably misusing terminalolgy
[27-Jul-2011 20:39:41] <rmatte> ok, one second, I need to load up a 3.x interface so that I can walk you through checking something
[27-Jul-2011 20:39:49] <rmatte> all my production stuff is still running the old interface
[27-Jul-2011 20:40:18] <Andrew__> (SonicWALL class is /Network/Router/Firewall/SonicWALL) just FYI
[27-Jul-2011 20:40:24] <rmatte> k
[27-Jul-2011 20:40:44] <rmatte> ok, so click on that device in the device list
[27-Jul-2011 20:41:03] <Andrew__> ok
[27-Jul-2011 20:41:06] <rmatte> then click on Configuration Properties in the left hand menu
[27-Jul-2011 20:41:12] <Andrew__> ok
[27-Jul-2011 20:41:19] <rmatte> then scroll all the way to the bottom of that page
[27-Jul-2011 20:41:32] <rmatte> you'll see a dropdown with "Delete Local Property" above it
[27-Jul-2011 20:41:38] <Andrew__> yeah
[27-Jul-2011 20:41:42] <rmatte> do you see zDeviceTemplates in that list?
[27-Jul-2011 20:41:44] <Andrew__> zDeviceTemplates
[27-Jul-2011 20:41:47] <Andrew__> yup
[27-Jul-2011 20:41:55] <rmatte> select it in the dropdown and click delete
[27-Jul-2011 20:42:03] <Andrew__> what does that do and why is it bad? lol
[27-Jul-2011 20:42:09] <rmatte> that's what your problem was, you had it set locally on the device itself
[27-Jul-2011 20:42:15] <rmatte> which overrides what's set on the class
[27-Jul-2011 20:42:25] <rmatte> you need to actually delete the local setting to have it inherit from the class again
[27-Jul-2011 20:42:50] <rmatte> after you delete that, the bindings set on the class should be used
[27-Jul-2011 20:42:51] <Andrew__> ok so I still cant make fping bound to /Devices, but at least I can do it per sub-class right?
[27-Jul-2011 20:42:55] <Andrew__> it shows up now
[27-Jul-2011 20:42:58] <rmatte> correct
[27-Jul-2011 20:42:58] <Andrew__> awesome
[27-Jul-2011 20:43:02] <rmatte> do it per sub-class
[27-Jul-2011 20:43:12] <Andrew__> ok last problem I have so far
[27-Jul-2011 20:43:25] <Andrew__> fping has been chugging along for a few hours now... have null data in the graph
[27-Jul-2011 20:43:49] <Andrew__> and I know I installed it correctly, have all pre-reqs installed, and I can ping device
[27-Jul-2011 20:43:59] <rmatte> so the data in the graph shows as "NaN" or does it give an error about missing RRD?
[27-Jul-2011 20:44:03] <Andrew__> nan
[27-Jul-2011 20:44:06] <rmatte> hmmm
[27-Jul-2011 20:44:25] <rmatte> click on a device that you're seeing that problem on...
[27-Jul-2011 20:44:29] <Andrew__> Whats annoying is I had it working on a different server I was testing with many months ago. This new server, not so much
[27-Jul-2011 20:44:43] <Andrew__> ok
[27-Jul-2011 20:44:48] <rmatte> then on the left, under Monitoring Templates you will see your fping template listed there, click on it
[27-Jul-2011 20:45:10] <Andrew__> yup in there now
[27-Jul-2011 20:45:12] <rmatte> you should then see a data source under that template, I'm guessing a command type datasource
[27-Jul-2011 20:45:23] <rmatte> (or possibly more than one?)
[27-Jul-2011 20:45:32] <Andrew__> one source, some points under it
[27-Jul-2011 20:45:44] <Andrew__> its a command that runs fping program on the box
[27-Jul-2011 20:45:53] <rmatte> actually, first the most obvious question to ask... you do actually have fping installed on that box right?
[27-Jul-2011 20:45:58] <Andrew__> hehe yes
[27-Jul-2011 20:46:02] <rmatte> ok
[27-Jul-2011 20:46:03] <Andrew__> and sed as they say
[27-Jul-2011 20:46:07] <Andrew__> compiled fine, no issues
[27-Jul-2011 20:46:14] <rmatte> sed usually comes standard
[27-Jul-2011 20:46:40] <rmatte> hmmm, give me a second, I seem to recall someone pointing out something that they had to do to get it working as a post on the ZenPack page...
[27-Jul-2011 20:46:41] <Andrew__> (yeah this is a pretty default install of Scientific Linux 6 aka RHEL 6)
[27-Jul-2011 20:47:24] <rmatte> docs/DOC-3467
[27-Jul-2011 20:47:36] <rmatte> Find the comment by TopOSScz
[27-Jul-2011 20:47:42] <rmatte> and give that a go
[27-Jul-2011 20:48:07] <rmatte> also, when you're viewing the template, you can double click on the datasource and test it against a device
[27-Jul-2011 20:48:12] <rmatte> you'll see the actual command output
[27-Jul-2011 20:48:22] <rmatte> give that a go, it'll give us a better idea of what the issue is
[27-Jul-2011 20:49:00] <rmatte> double click on it, paste the name of a device in to Device Name: under "Test Against a Device" then click test
[27-Jul-2011 20:49:07] <Andrew__> ok one sec
[27-Jul-2011 20:50:43] <Andrew__> a whole lot of ugly
[27-Jul-2011 20:50:44] <Andrew__> lol
[27-Jul-2011 20:51:00] <rmatte> fpaste.org the output, or paste it here if it's short enough
[27-Jul-2011 20:51:41] <Andrew__> http://fpaste.org/7jsg/
[27-Jul-2011 20:52:35] <rmatte> hmmm, that's weird
[27-Jul-2011 20:52:44] <rmatte> that's a genuine Zenoss error
[27-Jul-2011 20:53:07] <rmatte> ok whatever... do this instead...
[27-Jul-2011 20:53:22] <rmatte> ssh to the server, become the zenoss user (sudo su - zenoss)
[27-Jul-2011 20:53:31] <rmatte> then do: zencommand run -v10 -d <devicename>
[27-Jul-2011 20:53:39] <rmatte> where <devicename> is the name of the device
[27-Jul-2011 20:53:52] <rmatte> that will allow you to see the actual output when the script is run
[27-Jul-2011 20:54:30] <Andrew__> whats the zenoss user password?
[27-Jul-2011 20:54:43] <Andrew__> I know my root password, admin password for zenoss, etc. its apparently not that same
[27-Jul-2011 20:54:58] <rmatte> you don't have sudo installed?
[27-Jul-2011 20:55:06] <rmatte> if you use sudo you just type your own password
[27-Jul-2011 20:55:30] <rmatte> the zenoss user password is randomized by default, and I always leave it that way
[27-Jul-2011 20:55:58] <Andrew__> I have sudo but never use it, I just become root when I wish
[27-Jul-2011 20:56:07] <rmatte> sudo is your best friend lol
[27-Jul-2011 20:56:16] <rmatte> but if you become root, that'll work too
[27-Jul-2011 20:56:19] <Andrew__> <- old school
[27-Jul-2011 20:56:20] <Andrew__> ok
[27-Jul-2011 20:56:23] <rmatte> become root, then as root do this:
[27-Jul-2011 20:56:25] <rmatte> su - zenoss
[27-Jul-2011 20:56:32] <rmatte> that'll make you the zenoss user
[27-Jul-2011 20:56:51] <Andrew__> aha
[27-Jul-2011 20:57:11] <rmatte> as the zenoss user you can do things like...
[27-Jul-2011 20:57:13] <rmatte> zenoss status
[27-Jul-2011 20:57:17] <rmatte> zenoss stop
[27-Jul-2011 20:57:19] <rmatte> zenoss start
[27-Jul-2011 20:57:41] <Andrew__> ah ok
[27-Jul-2011 20:57:43] <rmatte> you also have access to zendmd which is a python console for Zenoss
[27-Jul-2011 20:57:49] <Andrew__> well that command spit out a TON of stuff
[27-Jul-2011 20:57:57] <rmatte> fpaste the whole thing
[27-Jul-2011 20:58:15] <Andrew__> http://fpaste.org/Ymcg/
[27-Jul-2011 20:58:46] <rmatte> ok, so bingo...
[27-Jul-2011 20:58:58] <rmatte> we were looking for the output of the command and we got it...
[27-Jul-2011 20:58:59] <rmatte> 2011-07-27 20:57:19,293 DEBUG zen.zencommand: Command: "/bin/sh -c exec /usr/sbin/fping -c 3 -sq 74.165.160.170 2>&1 | /bin/sed 's/\\([0-9]*\\)\\/\\([0-9]*\\)\\/\\([0-9]\\)%/xmt=\\1 rcv=\\2 loss=\\3/;s/\\([0-9]*.[0-9]*\\)\\/\\([0-9].*\\)\\/\\([0-9].*\\)/min=\\1 avg=\\2 max=\\3/' | /bin/sed -r '/targets/,/real time/d;s/[0-9]*.[0-9]*.[0-9]*.[0-9]* : xmt\\/rcv\\/%loss = /PING OK|/;s/, min\\/avg\\/max = / /'"
[27-Jul-2011 20:59:00] <rmatte> 2011-07-27 20:57:19,293 DEBUG zen.zencommand: Output: 'This program can only be run by root, or it must be setuid root.\n'
[27-Jul-2011 20:59:03] <Andrew__> ahh
[27-Jul-2011 20:59:08] <rmatte> This program can only be run by root, or it must be setuid root.
[27-Jul-2011 20:59:32] <Andrew__> so what's you suggestion, should I change owner of it?
[27-Jul-2011 20:59:46] <rmatte> so you'll need to chmod +s /usr/sbin/fping
[27-Jul-2011 21:00:00] <rmatte> then try running that command again and hopefully there should be some proper output
[27-Jul-2011 21:02:06] <Andrew__> hows this look:
[27-Jul-2011 21:02:06] <Andrew__> http://fpaste.org/bihV/
[27-Jul-2011 21:02:23] <Andrew__> im seeing pings
[27-Jul-2011 21:02:27] <rmatte> much better
[27-Jul-2011 21:02:29] <Andrew__> in that output
[27-Jul-2011 21:02:43] <rmatte> give it a few polling cycles and your graphs should start populating
[27-Jul-2011 21:02:57] <Andrew__> Ok so the last question of the night is where do I send the beer
[27-Jul-2011 21:03:05] <Andrew__> or cake
[27-Jul-2011 21:03:33] <rmatte> lol, I accept paypal donations for beer, I've actually had someone send me a few bucks the other day
[27-Jul-2011 21:03:38] <rmatte> but it's not necessary lol
[27-Jul-2011 21:04:02] <rmatte> glad to help
[27-Jul-2011 21:05:25] <Andrew__> Well you are certainly awesome and I thank you so much.
[27-Jul-2011 21:05:36] <Andrew__> Do you know if it is possible to offload the SQL database of zenoss to MS SQL or anything like that? Or is it stuck with MySQL locally more or less
[27-Jul-2011 21:05:55] <rmatte> nah, it'll only work with MySQL
[27-Jul-2011 21:06:05] <rmatte> why on earth would you want to use MS SQL anyways?
[27-Jul-2011 21:06:07] <rmatte> lol
[27-Jul-2011 21:06:17] <rmatte> and you're not stuck with MySQL locally
[27-Jul-2011 21:06:25] <rmatte> you can offload the database to another Linux server
[27-Jul-2011 21:06:49] <rmatte> it's actually incredibly easy to do...
[27-Jul-2011 21:07:08] <rmatte> the settings are under Events -> Event Manager
[27-Jul-2011 21:07:22] <Andrew__> This is a large corporate environment and theyre speccing out a big MS SQL server for other uses... figured if it was possible I could offload that. Also part of the reason is that this is a VM on a terible NFS NetAPP SAN and the IO is terrible. so as I get up towards the 2,000 mark for devices later on, I know it's going to bog down
[27-Jul-2011 21:07:22] <rmatte> you can configure the username, password, database name, hostname, and port in there
[27-Jul-2011 21:07:54] <rmatte> ah, well it definitely depends on MySQL, MS SQL is a bit different
[27-Jul-2011 21:08:12] <rmatte> but you can certainly offload the database so another MySQL server
[27-Jul-2011 21:08:17] <rmatte> to another*
[27-Jul-2011 21:09:02] <Andrew__> ok so worst case I'll get them to put on some proper attached storage to the VM hosts, put a MYSQL and MS SQL server on that as VMs, but the storage on the faster IO stuff.
[27-Jul-2011 21:09:06] <Andrew__> No biggie then
[27-Jul-2011 21:09:15] <rmatte> cool
[27-Jul-2011 21:09:30] <rmatte> you may be interested in this: docs/DOC-2521
[27-Jul-2011 21:09:45] <Andrew__> do you know if zenoss can integrate into RADIUS or LDAP for user logins?
[27-Jul-2011 21:10:05] <Andrew__> yeah I figured tomorrow would be performance tweaking lol
[27-Jul-2011 21:10:22] <Andrew__> I did a scan last night and I've got 1088 Linux/Windows servers alone to monitor
[27-Jul-2011 21:10:24] <rmatte> yes, you can do LDAP with it, I have all of mine integrated with LDAP
[27-Jul-2011 21:10:29] <Andrew__> plus about 800 firewalls
[27-Jul-2011 21:10:42] <rmatte> it's not the simplest thing in the world to setup though... let me see if I can dig up the guide
[27-Jul-2011 21:10:51] <Andrew__> Is there a doc to follow on that? I scanned the admin guide and didnt se it
[27-Jul-2011 21:11:05] <rmatte> thread/14081
[27-Jul-2011 21:11:09] <rmatte> that explains the steps
[27-Jul-2011 21:11:31] <rmatte> yeh, there's nothing in the admin guide since it's not an official thing
[27-Jul-2011 21:11:37] <Andrew__> ah ok
[27-Jul-2011 21:11:48] <rmatte> Zenoss runs on Zope, and zope itself has some LDAP plugins available for it
[27-Jul-2011 21:11:57] <rmatte> so you just have to install and configure them
[27-Jul-2011 21:12:23] <Andrew__> no problem, I don't mind some hacking
[27-Jul-2011 21:13:05] <Andrew__> Plus I love driving the admin from corporate nuts with all the RADIUS/LDAP integrations I've been doing.
[27-Jul-2011 21:13:11] <rmatte> lol
[27-Jul-2011 21:13:39] <rmatte> The plugin files that they mention there are available here: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Products.LDAPMultiPlugins/1.11 and here: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Products.LDAPUserFolder/2.17
[27-Jul-2011 21:14:43] <Andrew__> cool
[27-Jul-2011 21:15:18] <rmatte> actually, those LDAP plugins support Active Directory too
[27-Jul-2011 21:15:32] <rmatte> though I've heard it's a bit trickier to setup
[27-Jul-2011 21:15:43] <rmatte> might not be the case
[27-Jul-2011 21:16:26] <Andrew__> yeah it is actually a MS Active directory im tapping into
[27-Jul-2011 21:16:42] <rmatte> ah cool, yeh you should be able to do that fine
[27-Jul-2011 21:16:53] <Andrew__> I've tried to avoid it by just using RRAS with RADIUS to make it easy for other services I've converted
[27-Jul-2011 21:16:54] <rmatte> just be ready for some messing around to get it working
[27-Jul-2011 21:17:59] <Andrew__> I'm poking around the interface right now... and what does that Locations map on the main dashboard do? I put in an API key... but besides that, do I set locations on my devices and they show up on the map?
[27-Jul-2011 21:18:40] <rmatte> yeh, you create locations (similar to groups), then categorize devices under them
[27-Jul-2011 21:18:45] <rmatte> and the locations will show up on the map
[27-Jul-2011 21:18:56] <rmatte> there's an address property that needs to be set on each location for them to show up
[27-Jul-2011 21:18:56] <Andrew__> Ah
[27-Jul-2011 21:19:20] <rmatte> Here's an example from one of my Zenoss boxes: http://dmon.org/graphics/zenoss/gen2.png
[27-Jul-2011 21:19:34] <Andrew__> so its more of a building/office grouping idea then
[27-Jul-2011 21:19:54] <rmatte> yeh, it's not really useful if all your stuff is at one location
[27-Jul-2011 21:20:12] <Andrew__> Eh well I've got about 100 different ones around USA
[27-Jul-2011 21:20:19] <Andrew__> hah. So it may just be a big blob or green
[27-Jul-2011 21:20:23] <Andrew__> of*
[27-Jul-2011 21:20:33] <Andrew__> I meant 1000
[27-Jul-2011 21:20:34] <rmatte> ah, then it would be useful for you from a visualization perspective... but honestly it's just something to wow managers with
[27-Jul-2011 21:20:40] <Andrew__> wow I'm killing my typing tonight
[27-Jul-2011 21:20:41] <rmatte> managers, as you know, love pretty pictures
[27-Jul-2011 21:20:52] <Andrew__> Whats the green lines on yours? VPn tunnels or something?
[27-Jul-2011 21:20:59] <rmatte> you can turn the lines off if it's too messy
[27-Jul-2011 21:21:03] <rmatte> they are disabled by default
[27-Jul-2011 21:21:28] <rmatte> nah, the way Zenoss draws those is if it finds 2 IPs in the same subnet at different sites
[27-Jul-2011 21:21:38] <rmatte> it assumes that there's a connection between the sites and draws a line
[27-Jul-2011 21:21:54] <rmatte> they don't represent actual physical connections, just logical connections
[27-Jul-2011 21:21:56] <Andrew__> Lol I see... well then yeah I would have 1000 lines for sure. hah
[27-Jul-2011 21:22:01] <rmatte> they don't work in some cases
[27-Jul-2011 21:22:17] <rmatte> Here's my "missile command" map: http://dmon.org/graphics/zenoss/arm.png
[27-Jul-2011 21:22:38] <Andrew__> needs more green
[27-Jul-2011 21:22:41] <Andrew__> lol
[27-Jul-2011 21:23:07] <rmatte> lol
[27-Jul-2011 21:23:25] <rmatte> but yeh, I set those up because they look impressive on the screens in our NOC when customers walk through
[27-Jul-2011 21:23:26] <rmatte> lol
[27-Jul-2011 21:23:57] <Andrew__> "See all that? I spend all day checking those lines."
[27-Jul-2011 21:24:01] <rmatte> the dots and lines change colour when events exist too
[27-Jul-2011 21:24:10] <rmatte> so it's a good way to geographically visualize outages
[27-Jul-2011 21:24:12] <Andrew__> by the way - graph data is showing up in fping now
[27-Jul-2011 21:24:15] <Andrew__> yay.
[27-Jul-2011 21:24:20] <rmatte> right on
[27-Jul-2011 21:25:05] <rmatte> but yeh, we've seen outages that have affected one particular region, then called the ISP and found out it was a wide outage
[27-Jul-2011 21:25:11] <rmatte> makes it simple to spot stuff like that
[27-Jul-2011 21:25:17] <rmatte> that's just about the only practical use for it
[27-Jul-2011 21:25:42] <Andrew__> Yeah I get that on occasion, especially with weather
[27-Jul-2011 21:25:48] <rmatte> yeh
[27-Jul-2011 21:25:48] <Andrew__> Need to add that tomorrow
[27-Jul-2011 21:26:33] <rmatte> by the way, when you asked your first question a couple hours ago, it was already pretty late for most of the people in here, not sure what timezone you're in
[27-Jul-2011 21:26:43] <rmatte> if you come in here around 9 hours ago that's the peak
[27-Jul-2011 21:26:52] <Andrew__> I hope im not annoying you with tons of questions... but is there a way to take static information from SNMP on a device and put that on the Overview page for a device or something like that? Like some of the values for my firewalls are the Model Name and stuff like that
[27-Jul-2011 21:26:55] <rmatte> I'm rarely even in here this late, just happen to be today
[27-Jul-2011 21:27:01] <Andrew__> It would be cool to extract that and put it somewhere
[27-Jul-2011 21:27:14] <Andrew__> I'm easter... bored at home
[27-Jul-2011 21:27:14] <rmatte> nah, not annoying me
[27-Jul-2011 21:27:17] <Andrew__> eastern*
[27-Jul-2011 21:27:24] <rmatte> ah ok, I'm est too
[27-Jul-2011 21:27:41] <rmatte> unfortunately there's no way to display static info like that
[27-Jul-2011 21:27:50] <rmatte> it's a commonly requested feature but it still hasn't made it's way in
[27-Jul-2011 21:27:59] <rmatte> maybe someone will write a ZenPack to do it eventually
[27-Jul-2011 21:28:15] <Andrew__> ok no problem. It gets some of it on the right side there, just not quite perfect
[27-Jul-2011 21:28:25] <rmatte> yeh
[27-Jul-2011 21:37:33] <Andrew__> do you know what needs to be installed to get mail to work? I have the same settings as my old test box but nothing so far.
[27-Jul-2011 21:42:10] <Andrew__> rmatte you still around?
[27-Jul-2011 21:48:03] <locohost> yawn
[27-Jul-2011 21:49:52] <locohost> anyone have issues with throughput alerts with csmacd64 seeming to randomly not honor the speed.here in the threshold settings.
[27-Jul-2011 21:52:13] locohost is now known as applepiefromscra
[27-Jul-2011 21:58:19] <applepiefromscra> exit
[27-Jul-2011 22:06:56] <rmatte> Andrew__: you shouldn't need anything installed, it needs to be pointed at an SMTP server
[27-Jul-2011 22:07:17] <Andrew__> ok
[27-Jul-2011 22:07:24] <rmatte> The settings for mail are under Advanced
[27-Jul-2011 22:19:34] <rmatte> alright, I'm out for the night, later
[27-Jul-2011 22:24:40] <Andrew__> Night, thanks for all the help. I'll probably be on tomorrow
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[28-Jul-2011 05:24:29] <photon001> Hi everyone
[28-Jul-2011 05:24:51] <photon001> <Hackman238> : I need your help again
[28-Jul-2011 06:16:14] <photon001> is it possible to deactivate zenmodeler automatic remodeling ?
[28-Jul-2011 07:31:18] <photon001> any1 here ?
[28-Jul-2011 07:32:48] <tsener> all play idleRPG
[28-Jul-2011 07:33:42] <photon001> loool
[28-Jul-2011 07:34:18] <photon001> guess I ll begin playing too..
[28-Jul-2011 08:03:01] <hmp> does event history export work?
[28-Jul-2011 08:33:44] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk
[28-Jul-2011 08:35:31] <jmp242> photon001: hi
[28-Jul-2011 08:35:38] <jmp242> I'm not idling anymore
[28-Jul-2011 08:35:44] <jmp242> re zenmodeler
[28-Jul-2011 08:35:56] <jmp242> do you want it to be disabled on specific devices or globally
[28-Jul-2011 08:54:48] <Guest94635> Anyone have any links on how to setup dependencies?
[28-Jul-2011 09:01:37] <Guest94635> if device.id == 'id_of_application_server':
[28-Jul-2011 09:01:37] <Guest94635> db_server = device.findDevice('id_of_db_server')
[28-Jul-2011 09:01:37] <Guest94635> if db_server.getPingStatus() > 0:
[28-Jul-2011 09:01:37] <Guest94635> evt.eventState = 2 # suppressed
[28-Jul-2011 09:02:15] <Guest94635> if i want everything to be suppressed if 'id_of_db_server' is down... what do i need to change?
[28-Jul-2011 09:08:03] <Guest94635> Morning!
[28-Jul-2011 09:08:13] <Guest94635> if device.id == 'device_B':
[28-Jul-2011 09:08:14] <Guest94635> device_A = device.findDevice('id_of_device_A')
[28-Jul-2011 09:08:14] <Guest94635> if device_A.getPingStatus() > 0:
[28-Jul-2011 09:08:14] <Guest94635> evt.eventState = 2 # suppress or substitute this with line below to drop it
[28-Jul-2011 09:08:48] <Guest94635> what do i need 'device_B' to be to if i want everything to be suppressed if 'id_of_device_A' is down?
[28-Jul-2011 09:13:52] <jmp242> device_B needs to be a device you have in Zenoss
[28-Jul-2011 09:14:40] <Guest94635> my setup right now is everything is under /ping and idA would be the router ip address
[28-Jul-2011 09:14:56] <Guest94635> does device_b have to be one single device?
[28-Jul-2011 09:15:48] <jmp242> That does indeed look like one single device
[28-Jul-2011 09:16:11] <jmp242> You could change the logic though
[28-Jul-2011 09:16:39] <jmp242> If you want anything supressed if deviceA is down, then you don't need the filter to a specific device there
[28-Jul-2011 09:16:59] <jmp242> you could probably just drop the first line
[28-Jul-2011 09:17:32] <Guest94635> device_A = device.findDevice('id_of_device_A')
[28-Jul-2011 09:17:32] <Guest94635> if device_A.getPingStatus() > 0:
[28-Jul-2011 09:17:32] <Guest94635> evt.eventState = 2 # suppress or substitute this with line below to drop it
[28-Jul-2011 09:17:51] <Guest94635> this would work? i just need to change the 'id_of_device_A' to my router's id name?
[28-Jul-2011 09:19:02] <jmp242> get the spacing right
[28-Jul-2011 09:19:04] <dpetzel> something like this I think would also work
[28-Jul-2011 09:19:05] <dpetzel> if dmd.Devices.findDevice('localhost').getPingStatus() > 0:
[28-Jul-2011 09:19:05] <dpetzel> evt.eventState =2
[28-Jul-2011 09:19:07] <jmp242> but yes, I think it would work
[28-Jul-2011 09:19:46] <dpetzel> replace locahost with your device though
[28-Jul-2011 09:22:30] <Guest94635> would that transform work for zenoss3.1 too?
[28-Jul-2011 09:22:56] <dpetzel> I dont have 3.1 running yet, but I dont see any reason why it wouldnt
[28-Jul-2011 09:24:45] <Guest94635> testing now
[28-Jul-2011 09:24:45] <rmatte> transforms work the same in 2.5 as 3.1
[28-Jul-2011 09:25:05] <john___> hi all
[28-Jul-2011 09:25:33] <Guest94635> hi
[28-Jul-2011 09:25:45] <john___> question: how can we forward snmp trap to another snmp manager with zenoss core? i need this feature ;-)
[28-Jul-2011 09:26:16] <john___> i found something about ZenPacks.zenoss.TrapForwarder
[28-Jul-2011 09:26:24] <john___> but...
[28-Jul-2011 09:26:32] <rmatte> TrapForwarder is an enterprise ZenPack
[28-Jul-2011 09:26:47] <rmatte> there's no way to do that in Core (not without actually developing a way yourself)
[28-Jul-2011 09:26:48] <john___> is it expensive?
[28-Jul-2011 09:27:00] <john___> 20k ?
[28-Jul-2011 09:27:02] <rmatte> it's priced based on the number of devices that you have, and yes, it's fairly expensive
[28-Jul-2011 09:27:27] <squig> (cheaper than doing it yourself)
[28-Jul-2011 09:27:33] <john___> i suppose it's possible to forward events by mail?
[28-Jul-2011 09:27:43] <dpetzel> personally I think its crazy expensive per node. I think last I saw it was like $150.00 list per device
[28-Jul-2011 09:27:44] <rmatte> squig: not if you're decent at coding it's not
[28-Jul-2011 09:28:00] <rmatte> yeh, the pricing is insane in my opinion
[28-Jul-2011 09:28:10] <squig> has any one actually got a quote?
[28-Jul-2011 09:28:20] <rmatte> we got quoted 80k for just over 1000 devices
[28-Jul-2011 09:28:30] <john___> OMG
[28-Jul-2011 09:28:31] <rmatte> then they eventually dropped it down a bit, but it was still too much
[28-Jul-2011 09:28:32] <jmp242> There are community developers that could write that zenpack for you I think
[28-Jul-2011 09:28:41] <rmatte> and that 80k was with a "discount" from 100k
[28-Jul-2011 09:28:50] <jmp242> but you'd have to contact them to work out a price
[28-Jul-2011 09:29:02] <jmp242> but I'll bet you it's less than 80k / year lol
[28-Jul-2011 09:29:05] <rmatte> yeh, we're starting to organize funded community development
[28-Jul-2011 09:29:15] <rmatte> should help a lot
[28-Jul-2011 09:29:46] <rmatte> I wonder if there's just some daemon that you could use to intercept then forward the traps
[28-Jul-2011 09:29:52] <squig> i dunno whats a device cost? $2000? 1000 devices @ 2000 is a lot of zeroes
[28-Jul-2011 09:29:53] <rmatte> and run zentrap on a non-standard port
[28-Jul-2011 09:29:57] <john___> i suppose it's possible to forward events by mail?
[28-Jul-2011 09:29:59] <rmatte> I do similar for syslogs using syslog-ng
[28-Jul-2011 09:30:04] <dhopp> john__: MSRP for the lowest end support starts at $100/device/year..you can usually get it cheaper then that, but that will give you a ball park and that doesn't include if you need them to do any customizations.
[28-Jul-2011 09:30:22] <rmatte> john___: he wants to forward traps, not events
[28-Jul-2011 09:31:10] <rmatte> dhopp: MSRP (manufacturer's suggestes retail price?)
[28-Jul-2011 09:31:15] <rmatte> suggested*
[28-Jul-2011 09:31:21] <jmp242> Well, he probably can't just forward traps easily . . .
[28-Jul-2011 09:31:34] <jmp242> what about if he did forward events though using event commands?
[28-Jul-2011 09:31:37] <dhopp> rmatte: yeah..I don't know if MSRP is the right term for this…I guess I should say "according to their website"
[28-Jul-2011 09:31:37] <jmp242> and http://www.net-snmp.org/tutorial/tutorial-5/commands/snmptrap.html
[28-Jul-2011 09:31:41] <jmp242> ...
[28-Jul-2011 09:31:48] <jmp242> I would use the term list
[28-Jul-2011 09:31:56] <jmp242> ie list price seems fine to me
[28-Jul-2011 09:32:00] <jmp242> as it's not really being resold
[28-Jul-2011 09:32:02] <rmatte> jmp242: yeh, he could try that, could just use a transform too
[28-Jul-2011 09:32:31] <jmp242> sometimes I sub in "retail"
[28-Jul-2011 09:32:34] <jmp242> vs quoted
[28-Jul-2011 09:32:43] <jmp242> but really, list seems least confusing
[28-Jul-2011 09:32:58] <rmatte> fair enough lol
[28-Jul-2011 09:33:08] <jmp242>
[28-Jul-2011 09:33:16] <rmatte> but yeh, their pricing is nuts... we don't even charge that much per device to our customers for the monitoring we do
[28-Jul-2011 09:33:21] <dhopp> jmp242: I wouldn't use quoted just because that's different based on the sales person you are working with and what discounts they are willing to give you. 'list' probably is the best term, but oh well :-)
[28-Jul-2011 09:33:22] <john___> thx for the info ... bye
[28-Jul-2011 09:33:34] <rmatte> well, we do actually, but not by much
[28-Jul-2011 09:33:43] <rmatte> we'd be halving our profits by buying Zenoss basically
[28-Jul-2011 09:34:00] <rmatte> meaning we get a shiny new tool and then fire half our staff
[28-Jul-2011 09:34:06] <jmp242> Yea - zenoss pricing is a sore point
[28-Jul-2011 09:34:27] <squig> what would be a fair price?
[28-Jul-2011 09:34:40] <rmatte> $50/device/year would be fair
[28-Jul-2011 09:34:44] <rmatte> for the low end
[28-Jul-2011 09:35:17] <rmatte> $75 and $100 for the higher ends
[28-Jul-2011 09:35:21] <squig> if their first quote is $100 a year, I can imagine that the real price is $50 a device
[28-Jul-2011 09:35:23] <rmatte> even that's really high
[28-Jul-2011 09:35:33] <squig> whats a higher end?
[28-Jul-2011 09:35:35] <squig> more devices?
[28-Jul-2011 09:35:45] <dhopp> squig: support response time
[28-Jul-2011 09:35:46] <rmatte> squig: no, it's $80 per device after the "discount"
[28-Jul-2011 09:35:55] <dhopp> the low end is 9-5 M-F support
[28-Jul-2011 09:35:57] <squig> i would think thats just the first discount
[28-Jul-2011 09:35:59] <rmatte> honestly, $35/device would be more reasonable
[28-Jul-2011 09:36:07] <dhopp> high end is like less then 4 hour response
[28-Jul-2011 09:36:11] <jmp242> I have a hard time paying that kind of money myself
[28-Jul-2011 09:36:15] <jmp242> even $35 a device
[28-Jul-2011 09:36:26] <jmp242> but I work in non-profit so
[28-Jul-2011 09:36:27] <rmatte> also I should mention that the $80,000 price quote was including Datacenter Insight
[28-Jul-2011 09:36:31] <rmatte> which made up 30k of the price
[28-Jul-2011 09:36:41] <jmp242> but it's all Service Dynamics now
[28-Jul-2011 09:36:45] <rmatte> which I think is ridiculous since it's not even a mature product yet
[28-Jul-2011 09:36:46] <dpetzel> I despise paying for anything per device... The big push is cloud this/cloud that. If I spin up 100 instances for a day to handle a traffic peak, I wont want to have to license it
[28-Jul-2011 09:36:46] <jmp242> so you can't split it out
[28-Jul-2011 09:36:46] <rmatte> yeh
[28-Jul-2011 09:36:51] <rmatte> they changed the way they sell it
[28-Jul-2011 09:36:54] photon is now known as Guest92915
[28-Jul-2011 09:37:03] <jmp242> Personally, I hate per device licensing also
[28-Jul-2011 09:37:13] <jmp242> I like to look for site licenses
[28-Jul-2011 09:37:33] <jmp242> just too much work to track oh, am I going to have a desktop I want to watch today? or a new VM?
[28-Jul-2011 09:37:37] <dpetzel> I'd even be OK with per collector, or Zenoss installation model. So I can scale out at a predictable cost
[28-Jul-2011 09:37:47] <rmatte> If you're an MSP it's really hard to work with per device licensing
[28-Jul-2011 09:37:50] <rmatte> it destroys your profits
[28-Jul-2011 09:37:56] <jmp242> exactly, per server would be OK
[28-Jul-2011 09:38:03] <jmp242> i.e. per zenoss server
[28-Jul-2011 09:38:07] <dpetzel> yah
[28-Jul-2011 09:38:08] <jmp242> or collector right
[28-Jul-2011 09:38:18] <jmp242> but I wouldn't want to pay per endpoint
[28-Jul-2011 09:38:33] <dpetzel> I'm curious if they do it that way, cause it would result in overlading of servers, and in turn more support calls?
[28-Jul-2011 09:38:47] <jmp242> could be
[28-Jul-2011 09:39:17] <jmp242> anyway, Core is fine for me so . . .
[28-Jul-2011 09:39:46] <dpetzel> my biggest challenge with core, is that being part of a large team, not everyone is willing to put the neessary time in
[28-Jul-2011 09:39:49] <rocket> dpetzel: overloaded systems is a very common support call
[28-Jul-2011 09:40:00] <dpetzel> so having someone they could just call to take care of things is appealing to them
[28-Jul-2011 09:40:02] <dhopp> I'd be more ok if the per device was very reasonable and then they charged 'add-on' prices for the various enterprise zenpacks..most of the enterprise zenpacks I don't need…or have a base price and then say 'these zenpacks are $xxx/device you need to monitor with them', but the way Zenoss is structured I'm not sure how they would track that
[28-Jul-2011 09:41:37] <SEJeff> rmatte, Yeah and the zenoss service dynamics pricing model is even stranger
[28-Jul-2011 09:41:45] <SEJeff> Where they try to make everything a commercial add-on
[28-Jul-2011 09:41:58] <SEJeff> So for existing enterprise customers, it is almost insulting
[28-Jul-2011 09:42:42] <jmp242> errwut?
[28-Jul-2011 09:43:05] <SDuensin> Greetings.
[28-Jul-2011 09:43:22] <jmp242> SEJeff: want to clarify a bit on the SD everything is a commercial add-on?
[28-Jul-2011 09:43:33] <jmp242> The PR was that SD was back to everything in one package for one price
[28-Jul-2011 09:43:44] <dhopp> heh..it seems they got rid of the pricing off the website…before Service Dynamics they had base pricing on there..now I can't find it
[28-Jul-2011 09:43:49] <SEJeff> jmp242, After I spent almost a full hour on the phone with a product manager...
[28-Jul-2011 09:44:00] <SEJeff> About 4 months later zenoss released exactly what I wanted with SD
[28-Jul-2011 09:44:10] <SEJeff> Except it is an add-on for reporting
[28-Jul-2011 09:44:10] <dpetzel> dhopp: Thought it was just me!. Was looking at the page, thinking I swear there were prices here before
[28-Jul-2011 09:44:14] <SEJeff> And you pay extra for it
[28-Jul-2011 09:44:39] <jmp242> So you have to buy Enterprise and SD?
[28-Jul-2011 09:44:44] <jmp242> wow
[28-Jul-2011 09:45:14] <SEJeff> jmp242, Incorrect
[28-Jul-2011 09:45:17] <SEJeff> Enterprise became SD
[28-Jul-2011 09:45:22] <SEJeff> there are several add-ons to SD
[28-Jul-2011 09:45:32] <jmp242> oh'
[28-Jul-2011 09:45:39] <SEJeff> SD has a lot more base functionality above enterprise 3.1.0 sure
[28-Jul-2011 09:45:45] <jmp242> That wasn't clear from the adds lol
[28-Jul-2011 09:46:03] <SEJeff> but there are now alot of smaller addons. I was just a bit miffed that they took my feedback, as a customer, and then decided to make a new product
[28-Jul-2011 09:46:13] <SEJeff> When it is a glaring limitation of the existing product
[28-Jul-2011 09:46:31] <SEJeff> The software is pretty good otherwsie though. Not really anything else as good as it
[28-Jul-2011 09:46:56] <dpetzel> isnt taking customer feedback and building products at the very core of doing business?
[28-Jul-2011 09:47:00] <SEJeff> hyperic, nagios (+ the various commercial nagios versions), nimsoft, openview, etc... None as good as zenoss
[28-Jul-2011 09:47:10] <SEJeff> dpetzel, It was a limitation of the product, a gross limitation
[28-Jul-2011 09:47:30] <SEJeff> The expectation was that it would be added to enterprise, which we had already been paying for for a few years at the time.
[28-Jul-2011 09:47:56] <dpetzel> ah, I see now, i didnt realize were are you already paying and didnt get this
[28-Jul-2011 09:48:04] <dpetzel> I read it as they made things better for the fture
[28-Jul-2011 09:48:34] <SEJeff> Nope
[28-Jul-2011 09:49:03] <SEJeff> and if you buy it all (from what I can tell) SD is really hot stuff. They fixed some of the biggest issues with zenoss enterprise in SD though. I've just started evaluating it and am really liking it so far.
[28-Jul-2011 09:49:36] <Guest94635> SD?
[28-Jul-2011 09:49:56] <Guest94635> 2nd on zenoss being the best at what it does compared to other nms i've tried so far
[28-Jul-2011 09:50:02] <dhopp> Guest94635: Service Dynamics..it's the new name for their Enterprise option
[28-Jul-2011 09:50:08] <Guest94635> gotcha
[28-Jul-2011 09:50:27] <SEJeff> And the API of zenoss... the ability to get stuff in and out of zenoss via custom outside scripting. There is no equal to zenoss in this regard.
[28-Jul-2011 09:50:34] <Guest94635> one thing i wish it had was a topology i can build myself since the network map only works for lan and not all
[28-Jul-2011 09:53:09] <rocket> Guest94635: you can in SD now
[28-Jul-2011 09:54:11] <rocket> Guest94635: its probably a bit fiddly but its definately something you could make a wrapper for .. the way ping topology works has been totally rewritten
[28-Jul-2011 09:54:29] <rocket> it no longer uses the information gathered from modelling
[28-Jul-2011 09:54:54] <SEJeff> rocket, What has it changed to?
[28-Jul-2011 09:54:57] <rocket> rather it uses traceroutes to gather as much information as it can to the remote device ..
[28-Jul-2011 09:55:27] <rocket> zenping is rewritten .. no longer shall you need to fill in dummy routes to eliminate the not in topology messages
[28-Jul-2011 09:56:03] <rocket> you can now add a ping template to devices to ping more than just the manageip if you wish, and it gathers metrics like rtt etc
[28-Jul-2011 09:56:37] <SEJeff> rocket, Could it be used to replace smokeping?
[28-Jul-2011 09:56:47] <SEJeff> Which does incredible latency graphing
[28-Jul-2011 09:57:18] <rocket> yes I believe so .. but I havent actively used smokeping
[28-Jul-2011 09:57:34] <rocket> I *think* the data we gather contains latency information ..
[28-Jul-2011 09:58:08] <SEJeff> rocket, Here are some examples: http://homepage.mac.com/duling/halfdozen/resources/smoke-intrograph.png http://files.cyberciti.biz/uploads/faq/2010/08/linux-unix-smokeping-network-latency.png
[28-Jul-2011 09:58:23] Guest92915 is now known as photon001
[28-Jul-2011 09:58:52] <photon001> <jmp242> : Hi, I would like to prevent auto-modeling for all devices
[28-Jul-2011 10:01:12] <dhopp> photon001: I think you could just stop zenmodeler daemon
[28-Jul-2011 10:01:17] <AndrewC_> Hey guys, I'm just getting started here with Zenoss, are there any ZenPacks you suggest to get simple performance data from Windows 2003/2008 servers? CPU, Memory, Disk Usage, etc.
[28-Jul-2011 10:01:54] <photon001> <dhopp> : okaay, that could do it. what about heartbeat failures then ?
[28-Jul-2011 10:01:57] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away
[28-Jul-2011 10:01:58] <rocket> SEJeff: I believe the data is there .. its just not as pretty.. I think we kept the template somewhat basic
[28-Jul-2011 10:02:17] <SEJeff> rocket, Are you an employee?
[28-Jul-2011 10:02:27] <rocket> you should see the performance graph for ping on the device now
[28-Jul-2011 10:02:30] <rocket> SEJeff: yes
[28-Jul-2011 10:02:35] <dhopp> AndrewC_: the stock SNMP templates will get that info…you just need to install SNMP Informant MIBs on the Windows boxes to get a couple of extra stuff…but CPU/Memory/Disk Usage is all standard SNMP
[28-Jul-2011 10:02:35] <SEJeff> gotcha. thanks
[28-Jul-2011 10:02:46] <SEJeff> We have been using zenoss + smokeping
[28-Jul-2011 10:03:00] <rocket> SEJeff: you probably can go straight zenoss now in SD
[28-Jul-2011 10:03:03] <SEJeff> as we couldn't get zenoss to ping fast enough. zenping doesn't perform as well as fping
[28-Jul-2011 10:03:14] <SEJeff> maybe
[28-Jul-2011 10:03:19] <rocket> you may want to translate the template to make it look the same ..
[28-Jul-2011 10:03:37] <AndrewC_> dhopp: I have SNMP Informant on a box and they are in the Windows class, I don't see any disk usage though. Am I missing a step somewhere? I'm getting the default CPU and Memory info though
[28-Jul-2011 10:03:56] <rocket> zenping tends to be pretty fast .. how many nodes are you pinging?
[28-Jul-2011 10:04:27] <rocket> keep in mind it was rewritten to handle some ipv6 stuff too now.
[28-Jul-2011 10:04:43] <rocket> so performance may have improved in the rewrite ...
[28-Jul-2011 10:04:50] <dhopp> AndrewC_: are you talking disk usage as far as disk space or as far as read/write info?
[28-Jul-2011 10:04:54] <photon001> Any1, How do I define my own components and affect OIDs to it ?
[28-Jul-2011 10:04:59] <AndrewC_> dhopp: disk space
[28-Jul-2011 10:05:05] <rocket> I have never run into a situation where zenping was too slow at a customer site myself ..
[28-Jul-2011 10:05:07] <dhopp> AndrewC_: Zenoss 3.1?
[28-Jul-2011 10:05:25] <AndrewC_> dhopp: Correct, on a new CentOS6 box
[28-Jul-2011 10:06:04] <SEJeff> rocket, We were doing 1 second intervals. The devices could handle it, zenoss could not
[28-Jul-2011 10:06:10] <dhopp> AndrewC_: when you are looking at the device, on the left side under components do you see "File Systems"?
[28-Jul-2011 10:06:32] <dhopp> SEJeff: holy crap, 1 second?
[28-Jul-2011 10:06:33] <rocket> SEJeff: curious why you are pinging at 1 sec intervals ..
[28-Jul-2011 10:06:42] <AndrewC_> dhopp: no, I have Components > Windows Services though... Software, Graphs, etc.
[28-Jul-2011 10:07:13] <dhopp> AndrewC_: what do you have under "Components"?
[28-Jul-2011 10:07:22] <dhopp> just Windows Services?
[28-Jul-2011 10:07:26] <AndrewC_> dhopp: Just Windows Services
[28-Jul-2011 10:07:28] <SEJeff> rocket, latency monitoring, like I said
[28-Jul-2011 10:07:29] <dhopp> what Templates are applied?
[28-Jul-2011 10:07:34] <SEJeff> We want to see the smallest blip
[28-Jul-2011 10:07:43] <SEJeff> Well zenoss couldn't do it, so we use smokeping
[28-Jul-2011 10:07:46] <SEJeff> works like a champ
[28-Jul-2011 10:07:54] <AndrewC_> dhopp: b_fping and Device (/Server/Windows)
[28-Jul-2011 10:08:10] <rocket> SEJeff: I am not sure we are going to that stict of performance guidelines yet
[28-Jul-2011 10:08:19] <jmp242> I do like the fping zenpack
[28-Jul-2011 10:08:34] <rocket> SEJeff: I am sure we would have to rewrite more of zenping in pure C to get to that level...
[28-Jul-2011 10:08:45] <SEJeff> rocket, Like fping, yup
[28-Jul-2011 10:08:51] <SEJeff> The fping zenpack is pretty decent
[28-Jul-2011 10:08:54] <AndrewC_> dhopp: The Data Sources don't have anything related to Disk that I see, just memory, cpu, uptime
[28-Jul-2011 10:08:59] <dhopp> AndrewC_: can you try to remodel the device?
[28-Jul-2011 10:09:12] <photon001> Any1, How do I define my own components and affect OIDs to it ? (sorry for the spam)
[28-Jul-2011 10:09:14] <rocket> also fping isnt doing the device up checks etc .. there are a few other things zenping has to keep track of
[28-Jul-2011 10:09:18] <dhopp> AndrewC_: they won't because the disks are components and the templates are applied at the component level
[28-Jul-2011 10:09:36] <SDuensin> Anybody use Net-SNMP proxying to MS SNMP on Windows? Or is that insane?
[28-Jul-2011 10:09:44] <rocket> SEJeff: managing events, suppression, route calculation etc ..
[28-Jul-2011 10:09:45] <AndrewC_> dhopp: How do I go about a remodel?
[28-Jul-2011 10:09:49] <AndrewC_> Sorry im a newbie
[28-Jul-2011 10:09:54] <dhopp> photon001: I don't know how to…rocket can you explain?
[28-Jul-2011 10:10:25] <dhopp> AndrewC_: click the icon that looks like a gear (lower left) and choose "Model Device"
[28-Jul-2011 10:11:01] <dhopp> SDuensin: why would you want to do that?
[28-Jul-2011 10:11:01] <SEJeff> rocket, Perhaps ZEP can do it.
[28-Jul-2011 10:11:20] <AndrewC_> dhopp: http://fpaste.org/zUNt/
[28-Jul-2011 10:11:41] <SDuensin> dhopp, because Net-SNMP is easy to extend and other agents expect MS SNMP to be there or they break. And I'm a bit insane.
[28-Jul-2011 10:11:55] <rocket> SEJeff: perhaps .. there have been some really impressive performance gains with this new release...
[28-Jul-2011 10:12:01] <AndrewC_> dhopp: do I need to reboot the server for Informant to work properly after install?
[28-Jul-2011 10:12:17] <dhopp> AndrewC_: no..but snmp service might need to be restarted
[28-Jul-2011 10:12:31] <SEJeff> rocket, I'd think so. ZEP + relstorage + rrcached
[28-Jul-2011 10:12:37] <dhopp> SDuensin: I'm going with the latter :-P
[28-Jul-2011 10:12:46] <SDuensin> lol
[28-Jul-2011 10:12:51] <SEJeff> nothing short of amazing. Once this testing is complete I'm stoked to upgrade our existing 3.1 enterprise to SD
[28-Jul-2011 10:13:15] * SDuensin is just getting started with this entire thing. It's all a bit overwhelming and confusing.
[28-Jul-2011 10:13:41] <jmp242> SDuensin: start slowly with the basics, and slowly add more stuff
[28-Jul-2011 10:13:55] <jmp242> don't try and understand all the zenpacks etc up front
[28-Jul-2011 10:14:04] <jmp242> get OOTB working first IMO
[28-Jul-2011 10:14:08] <SDuensin> I'm trying, jmp242, but deadlines like to fly past.
[28-Jul-2011 10:14:15] <SDuensin> Yea, all I've added is a WMI pack.
[28-Jul-2011 10:16:12] <daveloper> hi all
[28-Jul-2011 10:16:33] <dhopp> AndrewC_: but you don't need SNMP Informant to get disk space utilization…it seems like the device isn't being modeled correctly.
[28-Jul-2011 10:17:09] <dhopp> AndrewC_: so you get graphs for CPU and Memory?
[28-Jul-2011 10:17:13] <AndrewC_> dhopp: I just tried restarting SNMP service, deleted device, removed fping binding just in case, then re-added device. Still nothing
[28-Jul-2011 10:17:16] <AndrewC_> yeah
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[28-Jul-2011 10:17:31] <dhopp> AndrewC_: and there is data in them? Or do they all show NaN?
[28-Jul-2011 10:17:47] <AndrewC_> dhopp: they get data, look fine
[28-Jul-2011 10:17:51] <SDuensin> dhopp, will modeling a device return stats like disk and CPU usage? Or do I need to have monitoring on it? When I model my Windows boxes it shows the drive size, but no utilization. (I realize the graphs won't work until there's modeling.)
[28-Jul-2011 10:18:04] <jmp242> modeling doesn't get perf data
[28-Jul-2011 10:18:17] <daveloper> loading zentemplate page causes this lines in error log http://pastebin.com/rFesbfhY
[28-Jul-2011 10:18:19] <jmp242> you need the perf daemon running to gather perf data
[28-Jul-2011 10:18:34] <jmp242> that takes ~ 15 minutes to start graphing
[28-Jul-2011 10:18:40] <AndrewC_> If I go to Modeler Plugins on the device it does show zenoss.snmp.InformantHardDiskMap in there near the bottom.
[28-Jul-2011 10:18:44] <dhopp> SDuensin: modeling just detects the components..if you see the component after modeling you should be able to monitor it and get the perf data that is in the templates applied
[28-Jul-2011 10:19:59] <dhopp> AndrewC_: For some reason this device isn't being modeled correctly…do you have another Windows device?
[28-Jul-2011 10:20:05] <AndrewC_> sure
[28-Jul-2011 10:20:13] <AndrewC_> I've got about 1000
[28-Jul-2011 10:20:31] <dhopp> AndrewC_: ok…can we try to add one more to see if it's something with this device, or something with your setup?
[28-Jul-2011 10:21:06] <kotique> guys, what's up with this alerts handling in zenoos again?
[28-Jul-2011 10:21:31] <kotique> xx.xx.com||/Status/Ping||5|ip xx.xx.xx.xx is down
[28-Jul-2011 10:21:40] <kotique> count 216
[28-Jul-2011 10:21:51] <dhopp> AndrewC_: what device class do you have the device in? Server/Windows?
[28-Jul-2011 10:22:06] <kotique> dedupid xx.xx.com|http|/Status/IpService||5|IP Service http is down
[28-Jul-2011 10:22:09] <AndrewC_> dhopp: yes - I'm working on server #2
[28-Jul-2011 10:22:12] <kotique> count 1
[28-Jul-2011 10:22:23] <daveloper> what is this error message in monitoring template page: Exception Cannot find "root". KeyError: 'root'
[28-Jul-2011 10:22:30] <kotique> And I'm getting constand alerts for "http service down" though it's confgiured to send no more than 2 alerts
[28-Jul-2011 10:26:22] <kotique> oh crap -- now i *get* it. The "Count" thingie in alert rules reflects not the number of sent alerts, but the count of triggers of an event
[28-Jul-2011 10:26:58] <kotique> which is totall bulshit - there should be a method to have escalation rules , which with zenoss is possible only with having "sent alerts count" variable
[28-Jul-2011 10:28:20] <jmp242> you can have escalation rules
[28-Jul-2011 10:28:31] <jmp242> but I would just not have it repeat the alerts
[28-Jul-2011 10:28:39] <jmp242> one e-mail seems like enough to me
[28-Jul-2011 10:29:05] <jmp242> there is an example in the admin guide I thought
[28-Jul-2011 10:30:01] <kotique> yeah, how do I send out 1 alert, tell me ?
[28-Jul-2011 10:30:21] <kotique> nagios can have flexible alert rules
[28-Jul-2011 10:30:50] <kotique> repeated alerts are needed because techs on shift tend to forget about low-prio events
[28-Jul-2011 10:30:56] <jmp242> docs/DOC-9493
[28-Jul-2011 10:31:02] <jmp242> read about escalation there
[28-Jul-2011 10:32:38] <daveloper> someone has the same issue! no answer yet !
[28-Jul-2011 10:32:39] <daveloper> thread/16177
[28-Jul-2011 10:34:07] <kotique> jmp242, is there any way to limit the number of sent alerts?
[28-Jul-2011 10:34:20] <jmp242> well, you can say 1 or repeated
[28-Jul-2011 10:34:27] <kotique> i see how the escalations are done - by imploying delay rule
[28-Jul-2011 10:34:31] <jmp242> but not more than one
[28-Jul-2011 10:34:40] <kotique> 1 , where do i specify that?
[28-Jul-2011 10:34:53] <jmp242> uncheck the repeat alert in the alerting rule
[28-Jul-2011 10:35:26] <AndrewC_> dhopp: Doesn't look like any difference for server #2
[28-Jul-2011 10:35:50] <kotique> i dont' have that
[28-Jul-2011 10:35:58] <kotique> Repeat Time (secs)
[28-Jul-2011 10:36:20] <jmp242> set no repeat time
[28-Jul-2011 10:36:20] <kotique> zenoss 3.x
[28-Jul-2011 10:36:59] <kotique> maybe i could create a schedule and set repeat time to 3 for 3 alerts?
[28-Jul-2011 10:41:17] <Sam-I-Am> moo.
[28-Jul-2011 10:43:17] <jmp242> maybe, it would be horribly clunky
[28-Jul-2011 10:44:44] <jmp242> setting it as a limited number of repeats would indeed probably be a coding issue, maybe a feature request?
[28-Jul-2011 10:45:41] <kotique> i mean, that's the basic functionality of an alert system - you want to limit the number of same events sent.
[28-Jul-2011 10:46:09] <kotique> i'm sure there's a unique event id for an event and when you send out an event, you just increment the sent_events countrer, that's all
[28-Jul-2011 10:46:53] <jmp242> well, everyone I know doesn't set repeating for alerts - maybe no one noticed before you?
[28-Jul-2011 10:47:43] <kotique> heh, how about enterprise users, where you have 10 people handling things? you want to repeat the alerts because some bastard can miss it and then pretend he hadn't received it.
[28-Jul-2011 10:48:55] <kotique> but you want to limit them at the same time, so that you don't end up with flooded pager/cell when you're away and some thing went awry
[28-Jul-2011 10:49:16] <jmp242> use a ladder of alerts (eseclations) that each send one e-mail
[28-Jul-2011 10:49:36] <jmp242> using the delay for each additional alert
[28-Jul-2011 10:50:03] <kotique> well, that could do the trick, for sure. but i've got 5 alert rules already ,with filters, with everything.
[28-Jul-2011 10:50:09] <kotique> imagine the manageability of all this
[28-Jul-2011 10:51:03] <jmp242> you probably can copy one as a template in the zope interface... but yes, I'd submit a ticket for a feature ehancement request
[28-Jul-2011 10:52:02] <kotique> it should be easy to implement. just have a counter that gets triggered when an alert is sent, that would probably sit between the trigger and the sendout code
[28-Jul-2011 10:52:41] <kotique> where do i submit feature requests? the last time i submitted a real bug, no one took care of it
[28-Jul-2011 10:52:50] <kotique> and its real, many users should've hit it
[28-Jul-2011 10:54:20] <jmp242> well, are you on Enterprise? if so open a support ticket with Zenoss, otherwise it's whenever zenoss or a community member cares to work on it in Core
[28-Jul-2011 10:54:32] <jmp242> you could do it - it is OSS
[28-Jul-2011 11:01:28] <kotique> yeah, just have to learn python and zope
[28-Jul-2011 11:01:46] <dhopp> AndrewC_: I'm stumped.
[28-Jul-2011 11:17:32] <Hackman238> Morning all.
[28-Jul-2011 11:17:47] <Hackman238> Sorry I'm late...food poisening.
[28-Jul-2011 11:18:28] <jmp242> oh horrible
[28-Jul-2011 11:18:40] <jmp242> I was stung by 4 bees this morning and was on time
[28-Jul-2011 11:18:54] <Hackman238> jmp242: LOL
[28-Jul-2011 11:21:54] <Hackman238> jmp242: those poll results are interesting. Do you have the figures from the other survey areas?
[28-Jul-2011 11:25:15] <rmatte> I want to find the person who designed the SNMP for Cisco Nexus and strangle them
[28-Jul-2011 11:25:29] <rmatte> as far as I can see, there's no way to actually poll info for interfaces
[28-Jul-2011 11:25:45] <Hackman238> rmatte: Theres an entitiy list
[28-Jul-2011 11:25:45] <AndrewC_> morning rmatte
[28-Jul-2011 11:25:49] <rmatte> morning
[28-Jul-2011 11:26:11] <dhopp> Hackman238: from the burrito? :-P
[28-Jul-2011 11:26:39] <Hackman238> dhopp: Not sure. I think it was what I ate at dinner.
[28-Jul-2011 11:26:57] <dhopp> Hackman238: and food poisening sucks….I had it once and I remember about 8 hours into it I thought "death can't suck this bad"
[28-Jul-2011 11:26:59] <rmatte> jmp242: how on earth did you manage to get stung by 4 bees?
[28-Jul-2011 11:27:15] <Hackman238> rmatte: juggling bee hives
[28-Jul-2011 11:27:37] <Hackman238> dhopp: Yeah its one of the worst things for sure.
[28-Jul-2011 11:28:01] <dhopp> Hackman238: AndrewC_ has a problem that I've been trying to help him with…he has windows servers that are getting CPU and Memory stats, but modeling it doesn't seem to see any filesystems so the only components are "Windows Services"
[28-Jul-2011 11:28:42] <AndrewC_> I just went through the Getting Started guide as well and followed the directions for testing WMI connectivity
[28-Jul-2011 11:28:59] <AndrewC_> looks like login info is OK
[28-Jul-2011 11:29:12] <dhopp> AndrewC_: but you are using the stock SNMP templates though right?
[28-Jul-2011 11:29:17] <AndrewC_> yeah
[28-Jul-2011 11:30:08] <dhopp> AndrewC_: I've been slow to respond because I'm the only unix engineer here today, my time has been consumed quickly..heh
[28-Jul-2011 11:30:44] <dpetzel> which modeler plugin is being use for the filesystem map, i recent foguht this a little so memory might still be fresh enough
[28-Jul-2011 11:30:45] <AndrewC_> no problem, me too. I'm hunting routing issues
[28-Jul-2011 11:31:23] <dhopp> dpetzel: his output of modeling is here: http://pastebin.com/rFesbfhY
[28-Jul-2011 11:31:44] <AndrewC_> I've run it a few times after that and output is the same
[28-Jul-2011 11:32:14] <dpetzel> the stack trace is specific to the modeler?
[28-Jul-2011 11:32:45] <dhopp> oops
[28-Jul-2011 11:32:47] <dhopp> that's the wrong link
[28-Jul-2011 11:33:03] <dhopp> http://fpaste.org/zUNt/
[28-Jul-2011 11:33:16] <dhopp> doh
[28-Jul-2011 11:33:17] <dpetzel> AndrewC_: sorry if already asked, but are you doing snmp or wmi modeling?
[28-Jul-2011 11:33:18] <dhopp> it expired
[28-Jul-2011 11:33:25] <Hackman238> dhopp: make sure the filesystem modeler is enabled and snmp informat is working
[28-Jul-2011 11:33:32] <dhopp> AndrewC_: can you take another copy/paste of the modeler
[28-Jul-2011 11:33:55] <dhopp> Hackman238: he has the HRFileSystemMap modeler
[28-Jul-2011 11:34:05] <dhopp> does that require snmp informant? I didn't think it did
[28-Jul-2011 11:34:15] <dpetzel> HRFileSystemMap is snmp based I believe
[28-Jul-2011 11:34:23] <AndrewC_> dpetzel: Whatever the default Windows one uses, I'm guessing SNMP
[28-Jul-2011 11:34:25] <Hackman238> dhopp: Not 100% sure on that...I dont do much with Windows
[28-Jul-2011 11:34:37] <kotique> i'm looking at "where" body in zenoss manage page
[28-Jul-2011 11:34:37] <AndrewC_> I do have informant on the server too
[28-Jul-2011 11:34:49] <kotique> (prodState = 1000) and (eventState = 0) and (count <= 2) and (severity = 3) and (eventClass != '/Perf/Interface')
[28-Jul-2011 11:34:54] <kotique> is this an sql statement?
[28-Jul-2011 11:34:57] <rmatte> Hackman238: don't suggest using snmp informant to people, it's garbage
[28-Jul-2011 11:34:58] <rmatte> lol
[28-Jul-2011 11:35:05] <dpetzel> I use the wmi stuff to do windows (i didnt want to install information on 100's of windows boxes)
[28-Jul-2011 11:35:08] <AndrewC_> lol figures
[28-Jul-2011 11:35:15] <dpetzel> I'm using the community.wmi.FileSystemMap modeler
[28-Jul-2011 11:35:22] <rmatte> you don't need informant
[28-Jul-2011 11:35:30] <dpetzel> agreed, no informant
[28-Jul-2011 11:35:30] <AndrewC_> I'm open to using whatever works... I just want CPU, Memory, Disk Usage, Services, etc. basic stuff
[28-Jul-2011 11:35:40] <jmp242> rmatte: trying to turn off the propane on my tank cause I smelled gas in the house
[28-Jul-2011 11:35:40] <dpetzel> WMI is better
[28-Jul-2011 11:35:49] <Hackman238> rmatte: Can you walk your Nexus at oid .1.3.6.1.2.1.47.1.1.1.1
[28-Jul-2011 11:35:55] <jmp242> big bees nest under the cover
[28-Jul-2011 11:35:56] <dpetzel> you have the WMI DataSource and WMI Peformance zenpacks installed?
[28-Jul-2011 11:35:57] <jmp242>
[28-Jul-2011 11:36:16] <AndrewC_> dpetzel: Probably not? lol.
[28-Jul-2011 11:36:18] <Hackman238> jmp242: Oh man.
[28-Jul-2011 11:36:18] <rmatte> AndrewC_: just use the standard windows SNMP agent, and for CPU/Memory use one of these packs: docs/DOC-3386 docs/DOC-3570
[28-Jul-2011 11:36:30] <rmatte> as far as service monitoring, that currently needs to be done via WMI
[28-Jul-2011 11:36:44] <AndrewC_> services show up ok so that seems fine
[28-Jul-2011 11:36:47] <rmatte> though I noticed the other day that services are exposed via SNMP, I plan to write a plugin to monitor them via SNMP eventually
[28-Jul-2011 11:37:06] <AndrewC_> Yeah walking a server I noticed that too
[28-Jul-2011 11:37:12] <JohnnyNOC> hey guys i have a question about "invalid monitor" messages i'm seeing in logs
[28-Jul-2011 11:37:43] <JohnnyNOC> i moved a bunch of devices off of a collector onto a new collector.. i've removed the old collector. but when i try to zenperfsnmp run -d <device> -v 10 for a device it's complaining that one of the collectors/monitors i deleted is not available
[28-Jul-2011 11:38:03] <AndrewC_> rmatte: How do I get disk usage? I was actually looking at your packs earlier today
[28-Jul-2011 11:38:33] <rmatte> AndrewC_: what class do you have the devices in?
[28-Jul-2011 11:38:37] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Recheck to make sure all devices are off the deleted monitor. Also you might need to restart hubs and push changes to the collectors
[28-Jul-2011 11:38:50] <AndrewC_> rmatte: /Server/Windows
[28-Jul-2011 11:39:07] <rmatte> AndrewC_: do you have SNMP configured on the devices and the SNMP string configured in Zenoss?
[28-Jul-2011 11:39:13] <dpetzel> AndrewC_: I left my windows boxes in that class as wel, but replaced all the SNMP modelers with WMI modlers
[28-Jul-2011 11:39:24] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 well, i've moved all the devices off the deleted monitor. i'm guessing if i peek in zendmd it wills ay devices are still on that old monitor
[28-Jul-2011 11:39:26] <JohnnyNOC> but how do i fix that?
[28-Jul-2011 11:39:49] <AndrewC_> rmatte: SNMP is on and I can walk it to get data. What string do I configure where?
[28-Jul-2011 11:39:51] <JohnnyNOC> write a script to update the monitor via zend?
[28-Jul-2011 11:39:58] <rmatte> AndrewC_: you have two choices, you can either use both SNMP and WMI or just straight WMI, which do you prefer?
[28-Jul-2011 11:40:05] <rmatte> I personally use both, since WMI can be flaky
[28-Jul-2011 11:40:15] <rmatte> so I monitor as much as I can via SNMP and just use WMI for specific things
[28-Jul-2011 11:40:27] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Thats the way I would check, yes. If they are pointed to the wrong monitor we can write a little dmd foo to fix them
[28-Jul-2011 11:40:32] <AndrewC_> rmatte: I figured a combo for same reasons, I don't really trust Windows anything
[28-Jul-2011 11:40:53] <rmatte> AndrewC_: then when you model the device it should automatically pick up the filesystems as is
[28-Jul-2011 11:41:09] <rmatte> the SNMP filesystem modeler plugin works fine with the standard windows SNMP agent
[28-Jul-2011 11:41:53] <AndrewC_> rmatte: Yeah I think thats were something is unhappy, it "should" but aint. hah
[28-Jul-2011 11:42:01] <Hackman238> rmatte: When you get a chance, can you check that oid for me?
[28-Jul-2011 11:42:07] <rmatte> AndrewC_: try this...
[28-Jul-2011 11:42:15] <AndrewC_> rmatte: here is a latest model: http://fpaste.org/74bA/
[28-Jul-2011 11:42:31] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 i don't see devices with those collectors in zendmd
[28-Jul-2011 11:42:36] <dhopp> rmatte: AndrewC_ said he can get perf data for CPU and Memory so SNMP is working in some fashion..just for some reason no components are being detected
[28-Jul-2011 11:42:47] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Alrighty, I would first try bouncing all zenhubs
[28-Jul-2011 11:43:06] <dhopp> AndrewC_: 2011-07-28 11:37:52,811 WARNING zen.ZenModeler: Client 172.16.22.145 timeout
[28-Jul-2011 11:43:06] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Then restarting the remote collectors
[28-Jul-2011 11:43:15] <dhopp> AndrewC_: zenoss didn't get to the box
[28-Jul-2011 11:43:23] <AndrewC_> ehh yeah I just saw that... other runs didnt show that I thought
[28-Jul-2011 11:43:52] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 you know, i think it worked itself out now
[28-Jul-2011 11:43:54] <dhopp> AndrewC_: I don't remember seeing it with the first snippet you pasted…but I don't remember either
[28-Jul-2011 11:43:56] <rmatte> 2011-07-28 11:37:52,811 WARNING zen.ZenModeler: Client 172.16.22.145 timeout
[28-Jul-2011 11:43:58] <dhopp> err
[28-Jul-2011 11:44:03] <rmatte> yeh, sorry just notice dhopp pointed that out
[28-Jul-2011 11:44:07] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 when i zenperfsnmp the devices that were giving me a hard time before they sem to work now
[28-Jul-2011 11:44:22] <AndrewC_> im going to run it on another server
[28-Jul-2011 11:44:26] <JohnnyNOC> i think the problem was the mysql db was locked while deleting old events.. seems like when that stopped all the necessary things were updated in mysql
[28-Jul-2011 11:44:26] <dhopp> AndrewC_: from the zenoss box, can you ping that IP?
[28-Jul-2011 11:44:35] <rmatte> AndrewC_: increase your zCollectorClientTimeout value
[28-Jul-2011 11:44:42] <AndrewC_> dhopp: yes
[28-Jul-2011 11:44:43] <rmatte> then model it again
[28-Jul-2011 11:44:58] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 i'm still in the process of migrating zenoss to new hardware. i just realized today that my events DB is too big for my new server
[28-Jul-2011 11:44:59] <JohnnyNOC> boo
[28-Jul-2011 11:45:23] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: yeah if mysql gets locked up many things grind to a halt
[28-Jul-2011 11:45:35] <dhopp> AndrewC_: try what rmatte said…although I don't think I've seen a model take 180 seconds!
[28-Jul-2011 11:45:50] <rmatte> dhopp: I've seen models take 30 minutes
[28-Jul-2011 11:46:00] <dhopp> rmatte: of one device?!?
[28-Jul-2011 11:46:04] <rmatte> correct
[28-Jul-2011 11:46:07] <rmatte> large routing table
[28-Jul-2011 11:46:13] <rmatte> and slow connection
[28-Jul-2011 11:46:33] <rmatte> AndrewC_: make sure you can snmpwalk the device by hand from the zenoss server
[28-Jul-2011 11:46:35] <AndrewC_> Yeah these are all over VPNs of varying speeds... although RDP is usually just fine
[28-Jul-2011 11:46:36] <dhopp> rmatte: oh..I don't let it do routing tables on my routers that have that…tends to piss off the router :-P
[28-Jul-2011 11:46:39] <rmatte> if you can, then try what I said
[28-Jul-2011 11:46:54] <AndrewC_> 2011-07-28 11:46:44,799 WARNING zen.ZenModeler: Client 172.16.59.65 timeout
[28-Jul-2011 11:46:54] <AndrewC_> 2011-07-28 11:46:44,800 INFO zen.ZenModeler: Scan time: 180.19 seconds
[28-Jul-2011 11:46:54] <AndrewC_> 2011-07-28 11:46:44,813 INFO zen.ZenModeler: Daemon ZenModeler shutting down
[28-Jul-2011 11:46:58] <AndrewC_> blarg
[28-Jul-2011 11:47:19] <rmatte> AndrewC_: can you snmpwalk the device from the Zenoss server?
[28-Jul-2011 11:47:20] <AndrewC_> ok it can indeed walk the device
[28-Jul-2011 11:47:24] <rmatte> k
[28-Jul-2011 11:47:31] <AndrewC_> yeah its not quick though
[28-Jul-2011 11:47:36] <dhopp> AndrewC_: can you try to switch from snmp v1 to v2c ?
[28-Jul-2011 11:47:38] <rmatte> so go in to zProperties and increase the value for zCollectorClientTimeout
[28-Jul-2011 11:47:40] <dhopp> zenoss defaults to v1
[28-Jul-2011 11:47:43] <rmatte> it's the first property
[28-Jul-2011 11:47:45] <AndrewC_> I'd say 10-20 line a second
[28-Jul-2011 11:48:05] <rmatte> ah yeh, make sure you switch the snmp version to v2 at the /Devices level
[28-Jul-2011 11:48:12] <rmatte> which is also in zProperties
[28-Jul-2011 11:48:21] <AndrewC_> whys that, I think everytying is set to v1 right now in my setup
[28-Jul-2011 11:48:28] <AndrewC_> is v2 faster or something?
[28-Jul-2011 11:48:36] <rmatte> because v2 is what everything supports these days
[28-Jul-2011 11:48:39] <dhopp> v1 makes a request for every oid..v2 can request groups
[28-Jul-2011 11:48:45] <AndrewC_> ah
[28-Jul-2011 11:48:47] <dhopp> much more efficient
[28-Jul-2011 11:48:53] <AndrewC_> ok then lets give it a whack
[28-Jul-2011 11:48:54] <rmatte> v2 also supports 64bit interface counters
[28-Jul-2011 11:48:59] <dhopp> that too
[28-Jul-2011 11:48:59] <dhopp> heh
[28-Jul-2011 11:49:21] <rmatte> if you have gig interfaces and you're using v1 to monitor them the traffic graphs will be garbage
[28-Jul-2011 11:49:33] <AndrewC_> eh yeah I have a lot of gig
[28-Jul-2011 11:49:36] <AndrewC_> good to know
[28-Jul-2011 11:49:42] <rmatte> you'll need to delete the old RRD files and have it generate new ones
[28-Jul-2011 11:49:42] <AndrewC_> do I need any other parameters for v2c
[28-Jul-2011 11:49:51] <AndrewC_> like password or something
[28-Jul-2011 11:49:55] <rmatte> no no
[28-Jul-2011 11:49:57] <AndrewC_> ok
[28-Jul-2011 11:50:00] <rmatte> only v3 has a password
[28-Jul-2011 11:50:11] <AndrewC_> ok how do I clear the RRD files
[28-Jul-2011 11:50:14] <rmatte> v2 works exactly like v1, it just has better support
[28-Jul-2011 11:50:25] <rmatte> clearing RRD files can be done via the commandline as the zenoss user
[28-Jul-2011 11:50:27] <rmatte> su - zenoss
[28-Jul-2011 11:50:29] <AndrewC_> (my snmpwalk is still chugging along... lol)
[28-Jul-2011 11:50:33] <rmatte> then cd $ZENHOME/perf
[28-Jul-2011 11:50:38] <rmatte> then rm -r *
[28-Jul-2011 11:50:49] <rmatte> you'll lose any graph data that you have so far
[28-Jul-2011 11:51:15] <AndrewC_> no problem
[28-Jul-2011 11:51:16] <AndrewC_> ok done
[28-Jul-2011 11:51:25] <Hackman238> jmp242: Did you get my email about the zenoss inc meeting?
[28-Jul-2011 11:52:04] <rmatte> AndrewC_: hmmm, you may need to remodel the devices too
[28-Jul-2011 11:52:16] <AndrewC_> rmatte: should I bump the collector timeout still
[28-Jul-2011 11:52:17] <rmatte> so that it defines the interfaces as 64bit
[28-Jul-2011 11:52:25] <rmatte> yes, you should still bump the timeout
[28-Jul-2011 11:52:30] <rmatte> well actually
[28-Jul-2011 11:52:32] <rmatte> try the remodel first
[28-Jul-2011 11:52:34] <AndrewC_> ok
[28-Jul-2011 11:52:36] <rmatte> and see if it finishes now
[28-Jul-2011 11:52:39] <rmatte> if not, then bump it
[28-Jul-2011 11:53:03] <rmatte> I bumped it to 300 on most of my server, and some of my server I have it set really high, like 5000 lol
[28-Jul-2011 11:53:07] <dhopp> Hackman238: I didn't :-P
[28-Jul-2011 11:53:08] <rmatte> servers*
[28-Jul-2011 11:53:21] <AndrewC_> Oh lots more stuff this time around in the model window
[28-Jul-2011 11:53:27] <AndrewC_> I swear I love you guys
[28-Jul-2011 11:53:36] <rmatte> good, it probably was a version problem then
[28-Jul-2011 11:54:00] <AndrewC_> 41 secs
[28-Jul-2011 11:54:15] <AndrewC_> oh yeah lots of Components
[28-Jul-2011 11:54:20] <AndrewC_> yay
[28-Jul-2011 11:54:22] <rmatte> I'd recommend doing zenmodel run -v10 from the commandline
[28-Jul-2011 11:54:22] <Hackman238> dhopp: I didnt forward it out to everyone yet. Dont worry, I will
[28-Jul-2011 11:54:30] <dhopp> AndrewC_: there ya go :-P
[28-Jul-2011 11:54:38] <dhopp> Hackman238: I was just giving you shit
[28-Jul-2011 11:54:40] <rmatte> then deleting the RRDs one more time, I think a remodel may be necessary to pick up the proper configuration now that you have v2 set
[28-Jul-2011 11:54:43] <Hackman238> dhopp: LOL
[28-Jul-2011 11:54:57] <AndrewC_> rmatte: whats that do
[28-Jul-2011 11:55:03] <dhopp> Hackman238: although if you have food poisining you probably have enough of that already :-P
[28-Jul-2011 11:55:16] <rmatte> AndrewC_: it performs a remodel on every device all at once
[28-Jul-2011 11:55:43] <rmatte> now that you have v2 set, you should remodel everything so that it applies 64bit templates properly to interfaces that need it
[28-Jul-2011 11:55:46] <Hackman238> dhopp: LOL yes
[28-Jul-2011 11:55:56] <rmatte> then delete the RRDs one more time to make sure they get generated properly
[28-Jul-2011 11:56:26] <jmp242> Hackman238: yes
[28-Jul-2011 11:56:37] <jmp242> have you seen the list e-mails
[28-Jul-2011 11:56:37] <dhopp> Zenoss should default to v2..I don't know why it doesn't
[28-Jul-2011 11:56:53] <AndrewC_> it was I think, I was just being a noob
[28-Jul-2011 11:57:23] <Hackman238> jmp242: No, am I on the chain?
[28-Jul-2011 11:57:33] <dhopp> AndrewC_: Zenoss defaults to v1…I always have to change it
[28-Jul-2011 11:57:55] <AndrewC_> rmatte: where do I run zenmodel from
[28-Jul-2011 11:58:15] <rmatte> su - zenoss
[28-Jul-2011 11:58:19] <rmatte> then run it
[28-Jul-2011 11:58:29] <rmatte> zenmodel run -v10
[28-Jul-2011 11:58:40] <rmatte> it might be zenmodeler
[28-Jul-2011 11:58:41] <AndrewC_> its not in the path for some reason
[28-Jul-2011 11:58:43] <AndrewC_> ok
[28-Jul-2011 11:58:44] <rmatte> I can never remember
[28-Jul-2011 11:58:46] <rmatte> lol
[28-Jul-2011 11:58:50] <AndrewC_> yeah modeler
[28-Jul-2011 11:58:52] <rmatte> k
[28-Jul-2011 11:58:58] <kotique> guys
[28-Jul-2011 11:58:59] <dhopp> AndrewC_: tab is your friend :-)
[28-Jul-2011 11:59:02] <AndrewC_>
[28-Jul-2011 11:59:11] <kotique> i'm having intermittent "snmp agent down/up" alerts.
[28-Jul-2011 11:59:22] <kotique> occurs for 1-2 hosts, but hell it's annoying.
[28-Jul-2011 11:59:33] <dhopp> kotique: what kind of hosts?
[28-Jul-2011 11:59:47] <kotique> you can never predict when it will happen and monitoring shows those hosts up all the time
[28-Jul-2011 12:00:00] <kotique> standard net-snmp install like on others
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[28-Jul-2011 12:00:28] <kotique> Time: 2011/07/27 04:02:56.000 Message: SNMP agent down
[28-Jul-2011 12:00:36] <kotique> Cleared by: 'SNMP agent up' At: 2011/07/27 04:07:51.000
[28-Jul-2011 12:01:02] <dhopp> kotique: and how long has snmpd running for?
[28-Jul-2011 12:01:08] <kotique> ages
[28-Jul-2011 12:01:22] <kotique> it's not an snmpd issue, why would it be?
[28-Jul-2011 12:01:24] <rmatte> kotique: Cisco ASA devices by any chance?
[28-Jul-2011 12:01:33] <kotique> standard linux centos 5.5
[28-Jul-2011 12:01:35] <kotique> 5.6
[28-Jul-2011 12:01:56] <rmatte> kotique: one thing to try is changing the zMaxOIDPerRequest value
[28-Jul-2011 12:01:58] <dhopp> kotique: I was just wonder if snmp farted for some reason and then was going to ask if there was anything in the logs
[28-Jul-2011 12:02:00] <rmatte> lower it from 40 to 10
[28-Jul-2011 12:02:20] <kotique> why does it work for other hosts?
[28-Jul-2011 12:02:22] <rmatte> if it's still doing it after that, then I'd say intermittent network issues are the culprit
[28-Jul-2011 12:02:27] <rmatte> or a really flaky snmp agent
[28-Jul-2011 12:02:34] <kotique> i don't know of any net-snmp restrictions
[28-Jul-2011 12:03:28] <dhopp> kotique: depending on how busy the host is flooding it with oid requests can cause weird timeouts…lowering the oidperrequest can sometimes help with that
[28-Jul-2011 12:03:50] <dhopp> kotique: and are you doing v1 or v2 snmp (could be a similar problem to AndrewC_)
[28-Jul-2011 12:03:51] <kotique> what is "per request" , aren't oids pulled in bulk?
[28-Jul-2011 12:04:08] <kotique> v3 of course, with authnopriv
[28-Jul-2011 12:06:40] <kotique> will try to lower and increase snmp timeout, let's see how it goes
[28-Jul-2011 12:10:23] <kotique> what does zSnmpTimeout mean?
[28-Jul-2011 12:10:38] <rmatte> it's the time it takes before a single query times out
[28-Jul-2011 12:10:48] <rmatte> you don't want it set high, the default is fine
[28-Jul-2011 12:10:50] <kotique> does it mean if no full oid response is received in 2.5 seconds, an event is logged?
[28-Jul-2011 12:11:15] <rmatte> an event isn't logged, it just tries again then gives up if it fails the second time during that cycle
[28-Jul-2011 12:11:27] <rmatte> you don't want it sitting there waiting for a single OID for a long time during a cycle
[28-Jul-2011 12:11:30] <kotique> well
[28-Jul-2011 12:11:35] <rmatte> it interferes with the rest of the cycle
[28-Jul-2011 12:12:01] <rmatte> I've never changed it from the default, I have 15 Zenoss servers monitoring over 1000 devices via VPN tunnels and my graphs look fine
[28-Jul-2011 12:12:05] <rmatte> I'd recommend not playing with it
[28-Jul-2011 12:12:15] <kotique> xx|snmp|/Perf/Snmp||1|Slow snmp response from xx after 2 cycles.
[28-Jul-2011 12:12:20] <kotique> a lot of such messages
[28-Jul-2011 12:12:40] <rmatte> then you have a genuine network problem or a problem with the snmp agent on the host
[28-Jul-2011 12:12:43] <kotique> rmatte, and you've never encountered an "snmp agent down/up" message?
[28-Jul-2011 12:12:45] <rmatte> is it happening on more than one device?
[28-Jul-2011 12:12:54] <rmatte> of course I have, but they are generally legit
[28-Jul-2011 12:13:01] <rmatte> as in, the device goes down
[28-Jul-2011 12:13:07] <kotique> yeah, happening on 8
[28-Jul-2011 12:13:19] <rmatte> sounds like network issues to me
[28-Jul-2011 12:13:32] <rmatte> I gave you a suggestion to try...
[28-Jul-2011 12:13:38] <kotique> but we have no network issues, otherwise nagios would alert hell lot of us
[28-Jul-2011 12:13:49] <rmatte> lower the value of zMaxOIDPerRequest from 40 to a lower value
[28-Jul-2011 12:13:54] <kotique> besides, if I try from cli on same collector host, everything's ideal
[28-Jul-2011 12:13:57] <kotique> okay, will do
[28-Jul-2011 12:13:58] <rmatte> try 10, if you still see issues, try even lower
[28-Jul-2011 12:14:22] <kotique> should i do that for all hosts or just for those 2 i'm having "snmp down/up" evetns?
[28-Jul-2011 12:14:26] <rmatte> it's possible that the traffic is making it's way through a network device that is puking on the number of requests that Zenoss is trying to stuff in to a single packet
[28-Jul-2011 12:14:29] <rmatte> Cisco ASAs do that
[28-Jul-2011 12:14:35] <rmatte> lowering that value fixes it
[28-Jul-2011 12:14:47] <rmatte> if that doesn't fix it, then I'd say it's a genuine network issue
[28-Jul-2011 12:14:48] <kotique> we have no cisco asas or any layer 3 device that interferes with the traffic
[28-Jul-2011 12:15:00] <rmatte> those 8 servers aren't clones of each other are they?
[28-Jul-2011 12:15:05] <kotique> other than just forward it
[28-Jul-2011 12:15:07] <rmatte> just want to make sure there's no obvious commonality
[28-Jul-2011 12:15:20] <rmatte> try it anyways, it won't hurt anything
[28-Jul-2011 12:15:40] <kotique> okay, thanks for help good sir!
[28-Jul-2011 12:15:41] <rmatte> if it works, it works, if it doesn't then it's a real network problem, unless all of the servers are exact copies of each other
[28-Jul-2011 12:15:45] <rmatte> no problem
[28-Jul-2011 12:16:09] <Hackman238> rmatte: Any luck with that Nexus?
[28-Jul-2011 12:16:35] <rmatte> Hackman238: not yet, I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to graph the interface data
[28-Jul-2011 12:16:41] <rmatte> it doesn't present the data via standard OIDs
[28-Jul-2011 12:16:50] <rmatte> if there's no way to do it that's an epic fail on the part of Cisco
[28-Jul-2011 12:17:23] <dhopp> rmatte: I'm sure there is a way…Cisco just wants you to buy their product :-P
[28-Jul-2011 12:17:36] <Hackman238> rmatte: Is there anything in the entitiy tree?
[28-Jul-2011 12:17:46] <Hackman238> rmatte: Thats how the ASRs work
[28-Jul-2011 12:17:50] <rmatte> Hackman238: that's what I'm looking at right now...
[28-Jul-2011 12:18:07] <rmatte> so far I know that I can determine which entities are interfaces type they have a type of "10"
[28-Jul-2011 12:18:17] <rmatte> but the other properties available aren't very useful
[28-Jul-2011 12:18:49] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yeah its a bit of a cluster-f8ck
[28-Jul-2011 12:19:00] <rmatte> yeh
[28-Jul-2011 12:19:22] <rmatte> so far my design for the modeler plugin would be the following...
[28-Jul-2011 12:19:53] <rmatte> poll 1.3.6.1.2.1.47.1.1.1.1.2 for names and 1.3.6.1.2.1.47.1.1.1.1.5 for types
[28-Jul-2011 12:20:01] <rmatte> then if the type == 10, it's an interface
[28-Jul-2011 12:20:24] <rmatte> interface names would look like: Linecard-2 Port-11
[28-Jul-2011 12:20:37] <rmatte> but now there's no other useful data there
[28-Jul-2011 12:21:25] <rmatte> hmmmm interesting
[28-Jul-2011 12:21:36] <rmatte> entLastChangeTime
[28-Jul-2011 12:21:46] <rmatte> if that's per port, I can use that to do status monitoring
[28-Jul-2011 12:22:06] <rmatte> hmmm nope
[28-Jul-2011 12:22:10] <rmatte> only one value when I walk it
[28-Jul-2011 12:22:17] <rmatte> so that's useless
[28-Jul-2011 12:22:34] <dhopp> rmatte: the nexus mibs don't give you any insight?
[28-Jul-2011 12:22:47] <rmatte> that's what I'm looking at right now
[28-Jul-2011 12:22:48] <rmatte> lol
[28-Jul-2011 12:22:58] <Guest94635> device_A = device.findDevice('NetOut Datacenter pro230 pri int')
[28-Jul-2011 12:22:58] <Guest94635> if device_A.getPingStatus() > 0:
[28-Jul-2011 12:22:58] <Guest94635> evt.eventState = 2 # suppress or substitute this with line below to drop it
[28-Jul-2011 12:23:10] <Hackman238> rmatte: http://tools.cisco.com/Support/SNMP/do/BrowseOID.do?objectInput=1.3.6.1.2.1.47.1.1.1.1&translate=Translate&submitValue=SUBMIT&submitClicked=true
[28-Jul-2011 12:23:17] <Guest94635> this didn't work.. where Netout datacenter pro230 pri int is the gateway for the zenoss box
[28-Jul-2011 12:23:21] <Guest94635> still got alerts
[28-Jul-2011 12:23:27] <Hackman238> rmatte: Theres lots of data...problem is most of it isnt useful
[28-Jul-2011 12:23:51] <Hackman238> rmatte: Looks like the Nexus is built exactly like ASRs
[28-Jul-2011 12:23:55] <Hackman238> rmatte: Madness
[28-Jul-2011 12:24:13] <rmatte> if they'd expose the logical interfaces via IF-MIB it wouldn't be such a POS
[28-Jul-2011 12:24:42] <Hackman238> rmatte: Try here http://tools.cisco.com/Support/SNMP/do/BrowseOID.do?objectInput=cefcModuleOperStatus&translate=Translate&submitValue=SUBMIT&submitClicked=true
[28-Jul-2011 12:24:54] <Hackman238> rmatte: ModuleOperStatus
[28-Jul-2011 12:24:55] <rmatte> I might have to resort to monitoring via SSH or something
[28-Jul-2011 12:25:05] <rmatte> interesting
[28-Jul-2011 12:25:35] <rmatte> hmmmm, it doesn't give enough data
[28-Jul-2011 12:25:39] <rmatte> it's not per port
[28-Jul-2011 12:26:33] <rmatte> that only applies to entities that match entPhysicalIsFRU
[28-Jul-2011 12:27:15] <Hackman238> rmatte: what I found are some of them are oid.X.oid and others are oid.X.0
[28-Jul-2011 12:27:24] <Hackman238> rmatte: Its a serious pain in the nads.
[28-Jul-2011 12:27:41] <rmatte> it's the stupidest thing I've ever seen when it comes to SNMP
[28-Jul-2011 12:27:50] <Hackman238> rmatte: Its not good, no
[28-Jul-2011 12:27:58] <rmatte> let's design the SNMP for a switch so that it's absolutely useless for monitoring the interfaces
[28-Jul-2011 12:27:59] <Hackman238> rmatte: But the devices themselves are very good
[28-Jul-2011 12:28:12] <Hackman238> rmatte: Just retarded snmp implementation
[28-Jul-2011 12:28:16] <rmatte> yeh
[28-Jul-2011 12:28:27] <Hackman238> Let me send you an early copy of our ASR pack
[28-Jul-2011 12:28:31] <Hackman238> can look at that
[28-Jul-2011 12:28:44] <rmatte> I really don't know what I'm going to do with this, might have to settle for just cpu/memory monitoring and traps
[28-Jul-2011 12:29:08] <rmatte> thanks
[28-Jul-2011 12:29:13] <rmatte> what does it support so far?
[28-Jul-2011 12:29:17] <rmatte> and does it work in 2.5?
[28-Jul-2011 12:29:58] <photon001> How can I create my own components ?
[28-Jul-2011 12:29:59] <Hackman238> rmatte: this is a dev copy of the 2.4 version yes, but it only monitors cpu/mem pools for modules which are objects like interfaces.
[28-Jul-2011 12:30:28] <Guest94635> When i put a transform in, do i need to restart zenoss?
[28-Jul-2011 12:30:47] <Hackman238> rmatte: Might help you. We're intending to monitor fabric entities too, just havent had time
[28-Jul-2011 12:31:29] <rmatte> ah
[28-Jul-2011 12:33:23] <rmatte> interesting...
[28-Jul-2011 12:33:26] <rmatte> http://knowledgebase.solarwinds.com/kb/questions/2330/Trouble+Monitoring+Interface+Errors+and+Traffic+on+Nexus+Devices
[28-Jul-2011 12:33:39] <rmatte> "There was a bug in the SNMP implementation for Cisco NXOS, preventing retrieval of interface statistics. Check your version of NXOS for known issues."
[28-Jul-2011 12:33:58] <Sam-I-Am> awesome bug
[28-Jul-2011 12:34:06] <rmatte> yeh really
[28-Jul-2011 12:34:18] <rmatte> now I just need to actually find the Cisco bug ID so that we can take it back to our customers
[28-Jul-2011 12:34:27] <Hackman238> rmatte: Wow....serious bug
[28-Jul-2011 12:35:37] <rmatte> would have been nice for them to include a link to the bug on that page
[28-Jul-2011 12:38:02] <Hackman238> rmatte: Yeah really
[28-Jul-2011 12:38:16] <rmatte> eugh, it's going to be a nightmare finding that lol
[28-Jul-2011 12:41:07] <kotique> wow, just wow
[28-Jul-2011 12:41:20] <kotique> so i changed that perOid value and now getting tons of debug messages :
[28-Jul-2011 12:41:33] <kotique> xx|vif4.0|/Perf/Snmp||1|Error reading value for \"vif4.0\" on xx (oid .1.3.6.1.2.1.31.1.1.1.11.20 is bad)
[28-Jul-2011 12:42:05] <kotique> happening for all our dom0s
[28-Jul-2011 12:43:59] <rmatte> what happens when you snmpwalk that OID on a device?
[28-Jul-2011 12:44:14] <rmatte> and where did you change it exactly?
[28-Jul-2011 12:44:35] <kotique> changed it to 20 at /
[28-Jul-2011 12:45:28] <rmatte> what template?
[28-Jul-2011 12:45:44] <rmatte> (I don't get what you were attempting to do)
[28-Jul-2011 12:48:31] <kotique> alright, screw those oid not found errors
[28-Jul-2011 12:48:38] <kotique> i still got 2 of
[28-Jul-2011 12:48:41] <kotique> slow response
[28-Jul-2011 13:03:42] <dpetzel> if anyone who knows components is bored: thread/16551
[28-Jul-2011 13:32:24] <photon001> how do I call a custom property for graphing ? Probably the Tales expression
[28-Jul-2011 13:36:53] <kotique> here/property
[28-Jul-2011 13:37:15] <kotique> here.getZ('') in python code
[28-Jul-2011 13:39:53] <photon001> okaay. Thanks
[28-Jul-2011 13:51:57] <nate1> Hello all
[28-Jul-2011 13:52:30] <nate1> We restored a Zenoss installation from one machine to another, and ever since whenever we click on the "Infrastructure" Tab it just sticks on loading
[28-Jul-2011 13:52:33] <nate1> any ideas?
[28-Jul-2011 13:53:11] <Hackman238> nate1: Does the event console load?
[28-Jul-2011 13:53:20] <Hackman238> nate1: If not, check your sql server/access
[28-Jul-2011 13:53:40] <Hackman238> nate1: If it does you might need to reindex or recatalog
[28-Jul-2011 13:54:14] <nate1> events loads
[28-Jul-2011 13:54:21] <nate1> How do we re-index?
[28-Jul-2011 13:54:30] <Hackman238> nate1: on the zenoss master su zenoss
[28-Jul-2011 13:54:36] <Hackman238> nate1: zendmd
[28-Jul-2011 13:54:39] <Hackman238> reindex()
[28-Jul-2011 13:54:41] <Hackman238> commit()
[28-Jul-2011 13:54:56] <Hackman238> nate1: Let me know if any trace occurs
[28-Jul-2011 13:56:33] <nate1> ok
[28-Jul-2011 13:56:35] <nate1> i typed both
[28-Jul-2011 13:57:02] <Hackman238> nate1: Alrighty. did it finish?
[28-Jul-2011 13:57:18] <nate1> after reindex there were a lot of messages that popped up
[28-Jul-2011 13:57:38] <nate1> 2011-07-28 12:56:06 WARNING OFS.Uninstalled Could not import class 'EC2Manager' from module 'ZenPacks.zenoss.ZenAWS.EC2Manager'
[28-Jul-2011 13:57:42] <nate1> was one
[28-Jul-2011 13:57:56] <Hackman238> nate1: Okay. do ctrl + d to exit
[28-Jul-2011 13:58:08] <nate1> gotcha
[28-Jul-2011 13:58:09] <Hackman238> do zenchkrels -x 1 -r
[28-Jul-2011 13:58:24] <nate1> ok
[28-Jul-2011 13:58:25] <Hackman238> nate1: It'll return a lot of text.
[28-Jul-2011 13:58:28] <nate1> doing a lot of relations checking
[28-Jul-2011 13:58:31] <nate1> done
[28-Jul-2011 13:58:44] <Hackman238> nate1: okay no a zopectl restart
[28-Jul-2011 13:58:45] <nate1> last messae sayd AttributeError: 'ZenPack' object has no attribute 'getPrimaryPath'
[28-Jul-2011 13:58:46] <Hackman238> *now
[28-Jul-2011 13:58:53] <Hackman238> wait
[28-Jul-2011 13:58:59] <Hackman238> nate1: thats the problem
[28-Jul-2011 13:59:08] <nate1> ok
[28-Jul-2011 13:59:12] <nate1> what do I do about that?
[28-Jul-2011 13:59:19] <Hackman238> nate1: When you restored zenoss did you install all the zenpacks in use on the system the backup was from?
[28-Jul-2011 14:00:18] <nate1> I am not sure
[28-Jul-2011 14:00:23] <nate1> zenbackup was the only thing used
[28-Jul-2011 14:00:25] <nate1> for backing up
[28-Jul-2011 14:01:10] <Hackman238> nate1: Is the old install gone?
[28-Jul-2011 14:01:11] <nate1> in /zport/dmd/ZenPackManager/viewZenPacks a lot say broken
[28-Jul-2011 14:01:16] <nate1> no it still exists
[28-Jul-2011 14:01:31] <Hackman238> nate1: On the old install click advanced and zenpacks in the webui
[28-Jul-2011 14:01:44] <Hackman238> nate1: do the same on the new install. do the lists match?
[28-Jul-2011 14:01:48] <nate1> ok wait a moment
[28-Jul-2011 14:02:25] <nate1> phone call
[28-Jul-2011 14:02:29] <nate1> wll be back soon
[28-Jul-2011 14:02:29] <nate1> )
[28-Jul-2011 14:02:30] <Hackman238> nate1: NP
[28-Jul-2011 14:02:31] <nate1>
[28-Jul-2011 14:11:08] <JohnnyNOC> any of you guys experience rrds not updating when moving a device to a new collector?
[28-Jul-2011 14:11:22] <JohnnyNOC> not seeing any errors in logs, and when i zenperfsnmp at the command line it doesn't look like it's picking the device up
[28-Jul-2011 14:11:23] <JohnnyNOC>
[28-Jul-2011 14:11:46] <JohnnyNOC> 2011-07-28 13:11:30,520 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: Successes: 0 Failures: 0 Not reporting: 0
[28-Jul-2011 14:11:48] <JohnnyNOC> :[
[28-Jul-2011 14:13:55] <JohnnyNOC> or how to delete a device manually?
[28-Jul-2011 14:14:06] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: lets try something
[28-Jul-2011 14:14:30] <JohnnyNOC> i moved about 800 devices yesterday and am seeing this on ~20
[28-Jul-2011 14:14:31] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: On the remote collector in question, do zenperfsnmp run now -v10 -d {problem device name}
[28-Jul-2011 14:14:40] <JohnnyNOC> i have
[28-Jul-2011 14:14:44] <JohnnyNOC> and that's part of the paste above
[28-Jul-2011 14:14:47] <JohnnyNOC> doesn't look like it ever models it
[28-Jul-2011 14:14:49] <JohnnyNOC> er
[28-Jul-2011 14:14:53] <JohnnyNOC> does the snmp run thing
[28-Jul-2011 14:15:10] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Does it say anything about a cofig problem?
[28-Jul-2011 14:15:36] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Did you restart all the zenoss processes on the remote collector after restarting zenhub on the master?
[28-Jul-2011 14:16:05] * JohnnyNOC shoots zenhub
[28-Jul-2011 14:16:10] <JohnnyNOC> Timeout connecting to zenhub: is it running?
[28-Jul-2011 14:16:24] <JohnnyNOC> let me find another example device
[28-Jul-2011 14:16:58] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: So when you run zenperfsnmp -v10 on a remote collector you get a zenhub timeout?
[28-Jul-2011 14:17:04] <JohnnyNOC> well, i did now
[28-Jul-2011 14:17:10] <Hackman238> okay good
[28-Jul-2011 14:17:16] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Zenhub just busy catching up
[28-Jul-2011 14:17:23] <JohnnyNOC> i don't know man
[28-Jul-2011 14:17:24] <JohnnyNOC> sigh
[28-Jul-2011 14:17:27] <JohnnyNOC> i'm having a bad zenoss day
[28-Jul-2011 14:17:53] <rocket> JohnnyNOC: are you a customer? I cant recall if you are...
[28-Jul-2011 14:17:55] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: cat your $ZENHOME/etc/zenperfsnmp.conf
[28-Jul-2011 14:18:04] <JohnnyNOC> let me finish getting this device re-added and i'll investigate another device
[28-Jul-2011 14:18:05] <JohnnyNOC> rocket no sir
[28-Jul-2011 14:18:11] <JohnnyNOC> rocket we won't spend $125/device
[28-Jul-2011 14:18:40] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Can if you need help and can open a ssh tunnel I can jump on and take a look
[28-Jul-2011 14:18:47] <JohnnyNOC> can't sorry
[28-Jul-2011 14:18:52] <JohnnyNOC> you'd start trading options
[28-Jul-2011 14:18:56] <JohnnyNOC>
[28-Jul-2011 14:18:58] <rocket> fair enough .. I was on that side of the coin once ..
[28-Jul-2011 14:19:10] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Trading options?
[28-Jul-2011 14:19:19] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 thats what we do
[28-Jul-2011 14:19:23] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Oh, bank or investment firm?
[28-Jul-2011 14:19:29] <JohnnyNOC> financial services
[28-Jul-2011 14:19:32] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Gotcha.
[28-Jul-2011 14:19:34] <JohnnyNOC> hedge fund, prop trading, retail brokerage
[28-Jul-2011 14:19:48] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yep.
[28-Jul-2011 14:19:57] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I'm a trustworthy guy, right?
[28-Jul-2011 14:19:59] <Hackman238> LOL
[28-Jul-2011 14:20:06] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 try explaining that to our proxy
[28-Jul-2011 14:20:08] <JohnnyNOC>
[28-Jul-2011 14:20:23] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Ah gotcha
[28-Jul-2011 14:22:08] <JohnnyNOC> sign, and now i can't get this device added
[28-Jul-2011 14:22:11] <JohnnyNOC> device add times out
[28-Jul-2011 14:22:14] <JohnnyNOC> remodel times out
[28-Jul-2011 14:22:30] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Okay, at the command line can you walk the device?
[28-Jul-2011 14:22:46] <JohnnyNOC> yes
[28-Jul-2011 14:23:06] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Can you post the add failure?
[28-Jul-2011 14:23:26] <JohnnyNOC> not now, but just a whole bunch of crap scrolling across the gui
[28-Jul-2011 14:23:46] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Sounds like there might be a deeper issue
[28-Jul-2011 14:23:55] <JohnnyNOC> yes, i'm sure
[28-Jul-2011 14:24:04] <JohnnyNOC> that's why i'm trying to get off this 2.5.2 install as quickly as possible
[28-Jul-2011 14:24:27] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I'm happy to take a look at it for free if you want to email over a 'dont mess with our shit' contract
[28-Jul-2011 14:24:31] <JohnnyNOC> zenmodeler rinally finished
[28-Jul-2011 14:25:08] <JohnnyNOC> ok
[28-Jul-2011 14:25:14] <JohnnyNOC> so let me find another device having similar problems
[28-Jul-2011 14:25:17] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Or if you could tar up your $ZENHOME/log directory and email that to me I could get more an idea
[28-Jul-2011 14:25:26] <JohnnyNOC> after removing/re-adding the device i dont' see a prob with zenperfsnmp -d device -v 10
[28-Jul-2011 14:25:44] <JohnnyNOC> well, let me have a look a another device that's having the same problem
[28-Jul-2011 14:25:45] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Thats scarey. Means mostliekly rel issues
[28-Jul-2011 14:26:03] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Have you run zenchkrel -x1 -r?
[28-Jul-2011 14:26:06] <JohnnyNOC> what do you mean
[28-Jul-2011 14:26:08] <JohnnyNOC> no
[28-Jul-2011 14:26:12] <JohnnyNOC> what's that gonna do?
[28-Jul-2011 14:26:20] <JohnnyNOC> tell me my shit's broke? that's no surprise
[28-Jul-2011 14:26:20] <JohnnyNOC>
[28-Jul-2011 14:26:21] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: It'll go through and check relationships
[28-Jul-2011 14:26:30] <JohnnyNOC> should i run it on the collector?
[28-Jul-2011 14:26:33] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: If one is broke that can be fixed it'll do it
[28-Jul-2011 14:26:34] <JohnnyNOC> or primary with zope/mysql
[28-Jul-2011 14:26:37] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: No, on the matser
[28-Jul-2011 14:26:40] <Hackman238> *master
[28-Jul-2011 14:26:54] <Hackman238> *zenchkrels -x1 -r
[28-Jul-2011 14:26:59] <JohnnyNOC> it's runing
[28-Jul-2011 14:27:31] <JohnnyNOC> but i definitely have other devices that have this issue, if i can figure out what the problem and fix is without deleting/re-adding that would be awesome
[28-Jul-2011 14:27:40] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Let me know if there is traceback or anything that looks like an error
[28-Jul-2011 14:27:46] <JohnnyNOC> i have a feeling this is going to take a while
[28-Jul-2011 14:27:46] <JohnnyNOC> heh
[28-Jul-2011 14:27:47] <JohnnyNOC> i will
[28-Jul-2011 14:28:02] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yeah depending on the db size.
[28-Jul-2011 14:28:16] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: E.x. DFW here takes like 7 hours, SAT takes like 15 minutes
[28-Jul-2011 14:28:42] <JohnnyNOC> ok
[28-Jul-2011 14:28:44] <JohnnyNOC> so here's another device
[28-Jul-2011 14:28:46] <JohnnyNOC> exact same prob
[28-Jul-2011 14:28:51] <JohnnyNOC> i'm going to zenperfsnmp and look for a config issue?
[28-Jul-2011 14:28:54] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Where DFW is to SAT as Walmart is to a corner drug store
[28-Jul-2011 14:29:26] <JohnnyNOC> haahah i gotcha
[28-Jul-2011 14:29:27] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yeah if you could, from teh collector, zenperfsnmp ru now -v10 -d {device}
[28-Jul-2011 14:29:33] <Hackman238> *run now
[28-Jul-2011 14:29:41] <JohnnyNOC> yep
[28-Jul-2011 14:29:50] <JohnnyNOC> 2011-07-28 13:29:02,377 INFO zen.zenperfsnmp: Successes: 0 Failures: 0 Not reporting: 0
[28-Jul-2011 14:29:58] <JohnnyNOC> 2011-07-28 13:29:02,368 DEBUG zen.zenperfsnmp: Fetching configs for 0 devices
[28-Jul-2011 14:30:04] <JohnnyNOC> i dont' see any ERRORS or WARNING
[28-Jul-2011 14:31:00] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Key there is fetching for 0 devices
[28-Jul-2011 14:31:07] <JohnnyNOC> yes, i assume that's a prob
[28-Jul-2011 14:31:08] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: It didnt find the config for your device
[28-Jul-2011 14:31:09] <JohnnyNOC> but why
[28-Jul-2011 14:31:24] <JohnnyNOC> i see it saying it's fetching the config
[28-Jul-2011 14:31:38] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Frankly...its usually rel issues.
[28-Jul-2011 14:31:43] <JohnnyNOC> and no indication of any kind of problems besides the fact, that well, nothings happen
[28-Jul-2011 14:31:44] <JohnnyNOC> gotcha
[28-Jul-2011 14:31:45] <JohnnyNOC> ok
[28-Jul-2011 14:31:56] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I might suggest that after zenchkrels is done, if no trace, run zenfixit
[28-Jul-2011 14:31:58] <JohnnyNOC> well, maybe i should let this stuff finish running and revisit?
[28-Jul-2011 14:32:09] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yes, definately
[28-Jul-2011 14:32:52] <JohnnyNOC> you know whats awesome about my job?
[28-Jul-2011 14:33:03] <JohnnyNOC> i was trying to go to pastebin, or fpaste, or something similar, to show you some shit
[28-Jul-2011 14:33:04] <JohnnyNOC> but no, denied
[28-Jul-2011 14:33:10] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Wow
[28-Jul-2011 14:33:12] <JohnnyNOC> and you were asking about ssh'ing IN ?
[28-Jul-2011 14:33:14] <JohnnyNOC>
[28-Jul-2011 14:33:22] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Can email me at shane.scott@rackspace.com
[28-Jul-2011 14:33:42] <JohnnyNOC> i thought it was @hotmale.com
[28-Jul-2011 14:33:57] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: shh....dont use that one here
[28-Jul-2011 14:33:59] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: LOL
[28-Jul-2011 14:34:03] <JohnnyNOC> hahaha
[28-Jul-2011 14:34:05] <dhopp> JohnnyNOC: wow
[28-Jul-2011 14:34:14] <Guest94635> LOLOMGITJOKE
[28-Jul-2011 14:34:42] <JohnnyNOC> dhopp the people her are overly paranoid
[28-Jul-2011 14:34:51] <JohnnyNOC> when i say people, i primarily mean the owners
[28-Jul-2011 14:35:02] <dhopp> JohnnyNOC: I was referring to the @hotmale.com
[28-Jul-2011 14:35:07] <JohnnyNOC> haha
[28-Jul-2011 14:35:08] <JohnnyNOC> sorry
[28-Jul-2011 14:35:51] <JohnnyNOC> hope i didn't offend.. was just making a funny
[28-Jul-2011 14:36:07] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Tell them I'm responsible for the audit and denial of billions of dollars of state funding to certain theiving state agencies.
[28-Jul-2011 14:36:23] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I'm sure that'll amek them trust me LOL
[28-Jul-2011 14:36:32] <JohnnyNOC> you have to be related
[28-Jul-2011 14:36:39] <dhopp> JohnnyNoc: I worked at just the opposite place once…I tried to put in a content filter (not an aggressive one, just trying to block the porn sites that people were visiting while at work)…and when I enabled it it blocked tmz.com, the CIO called me into his office and said that people were complaining about not being able to get to TMZ and that I had to turn off the filter…my response was have you seen tmz? It's not exactly business material
[28-Jul-2011 14:37:07] <Hackman238> dhopp: LOL!
[28-Jul-2011 14:37:10] <JohnnyNOC> wow, that is so funny to me.. TMZ?! hahaha omg
[28-Jul-2011 14:37:19] <JohnnyNOC> did you allow perezhilton.com tho?
[28-Jul-2011 14:37:20] <JohnnyNOC>
[28-Jul-2011 14:38:44] <dhopp> JohnnyNOC: lol..I'm not a big fan of content filters, I think people looking at stuff like that at work should be handled by HR, but it was getting out of control with viruses and other crap so I was asked to implement a solution, and then told to turn it off because of tmz
[28-Jul-2011 14:39:04] <Guest94635> your cio is a tard
[28-Jul-2011 14:40:56] <dhopp> Guest94635: 1) former cio and 2) the place didn't know how to implement changes….They also tried to take away company black berries (it was ~160 person company of which ~100 people had company issued black berries include secretaries)…IT started to take them away from the people that clearly didn't need them, those people cried loud enough and so they gave the blackberries back
[28-Jul-2011 14:41:25] <dhopp> Guest94635: and now I no longer work there
[28-Jul-2011 14:41:26] <dhopp> lol
[28-Jul-2011 14:41:31] <Guest94635> sounds like you did yourself a favor and left
[28-Jul-2011 14:42:02] <Hackman238> Wow
[28-Jul-2011 14:44:07] <nate1> Hackman28 ok I am abck
[28-Jul-2011 14:44:14] <nate1> what should I do?
[28-Jul-2011 14:44:26] <nate1> open the lsits and compare?
[28-Jul-2011 14:51:07] <nate1> Hackman238: ok, I compared
[28-Jul-2011 14:51:12] <nate1> they are slightly different
[28-Jul-2011 14:51:19] <nate1> on the new one, a lot of the pack names say "broken"
[28-Jul-2011 14:51:42] <nate1> and on all of the package fieldsm they say "This pack was just installed, or is missing or broken. Please restart Zope"
[28-Jul-2011 14:51:57] <nate1> when I do zenoss restart zope it restarts a lot
[28-Jul-2011 14:52:00] <nate1> but still same error message
[28-Jul-2011 14:59:31] <jmp242> that's not good
[28-Jul-2011 14:59:43] <jmp242> sounds like you've got a really broken Zenoss / zenpacks
[28-Jul-2011 15:02:41] <nate1> uh oh
[28-Jul-2011 15:03:27] <nate1> what can I do?
[28-Jul-2011 15:03:35] <nate1> I still have access to the old zenoss machine
[28-Jul-2011 15:03:36] <jmp242> well, mmm
[28-Jul-2011 15:03:42] <nate1> i have it open currently
[28-Jul-2011 15:03:45] <jmp242> can you re-install zenoss from scratch?
[28-Jul-2011 15:04:08] <jmp242> I missed the opening on this so . . . what are you doing?
[28-Jul-2011 15:04:23] <nate1> ok
[28-Jul-2011 15:04:33] <nate1> I did not do this, but... from what I can ascertain..
[28-Jul-2011 15:04:48] <nate1> we had abn old box on an ec2 instance
[28-Jul-2011 15:04:53] <nate1> core 3.03
[28-Jul-2011 15:04:59] <nate1> another person did a zenbackup of it
[28-Jul-2011 15:05:05] <nate1> and installed 3.1 on a box inhouse
[28-Jul-2011 15:05:05] <kotique> well, even with 10 as snmp PerOid it still flaps the host!
[28-Jul-2011 15:05:09] <jmp242> oh
[28-Jul-2011 15:05:10] <nate1> and restored the backup
[28-Jul-2011 15:05:15] <jmp242> you can't do that
[28-Jul-2011 15:05:18] <nate1> ok
[28-Jul-2011 15:05:18] <jmp242> it won't work as you see
[28-Jul-2011 15:05:20] <nate1> what eneds to be done?
[28-Jul-2011 15:05:29] <jmp242> you need to wipe your in house zenoss
[28-Jul-2011 15:05:35] <jmp242> install core 3.0.3
[28-Jul-2011 15:05:44] <jmp242> do the restore of the zenbackup there
[28-Jul-2011 15:05:50] <nate1> and then upgrade?
[28-Jul-2011 15:05:52] <jmp242> and then upgrade it to 3.1.0
[28-Jul-2011 15:05:54] <jmp242> yes
[28-Jul-2011 15:06:14] <jmp242> make sure
[28-Jul-2011 15:06:18] <jmp242> before you restore the backup
[28-Jul-2011 15:06:22] <jmp242> you need to be exactly the same
[28-Jul-2011 15:06:43] <jmp242> so same version of zenoss, same platform (x86/x64), same zenpacks installed first and same versions of the zenpacks
[28-Jul-2011 15:06:49] <jmp242> then you can restore the backup
[28-Jul-2011 15:14:09] <nate1> hrmm
[28-Jul-2011 15:14:20] <nate1> so we need to install the zenpacks seperately first?
[28-Jul-2011 15:14:20] <nate1> before we restore?
[28-Jul-2011 15:21:09] <Hackman238> nate1: yep
[28-Jul-2011 15:22:28] <nate1> ah ok
[28-Jul-2011 15:22:47] <nate1> cool
[28-Jul-2011 15:24:37] <Hackman238> nate1: let me know how it turns out
[28-Jul-2011 15:45:47] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away
[28-Jul-2011 15:48:33] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Hows it going?
[28-Jul-2011 15:48:49] <JohnnyNOC> thanks for asking
[28-Jul-2011 15:48:50] <JohnnyNOC> it's going
[28-Jul-2011 15:48:54] <JohnnyNOC> still doing zenchkrels
[28-Jul-2011 15:49:01] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Alrighty
[28-Jul-2011 15:49:39] <JohnnyNOC> ever had to shrink ibdata1 ?
[28-Jul-2011 15:49:51] <JohnnyNOC> events db
[28-Jul-2011 15:51:29] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Best way is to delte old blue events and put in transforms to prevent them from accumulating
[28-Jul-2011 15:51:54] <JohnnyNOC> but from my understanding that's not going to shrink the size of ibdata1
[28-Jul-2011 15:52:04] <JohnnyNOC> but i understand your reasoning
[28-Jul-2011 15:53:35] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I took shrink it as ore prevenative measure sorry LOL
[28-Jul-2011 15:53:42] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Let me consult google
[28-Jul-2011 15:54:26] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 there are some things i found on google i thought i'd try. thought i'd ask the man, the myth, shane scott first.
[28-Jul-2011 15:54:31] <JohnnyNOC>
[28-Jul-2011 15:55:52] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: LOL Thanks
[28-Jul-2011 15:56:32] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Unfortuantelty it looks like if its not contracting with content deletion you might need to dump the db, drop it, recreate it, dump your dumped backup back in
[28-Jul-2011 15:57:09] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*
[28-Jul-2011 15:57:14] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: It wort of sucks
[28-Jul-2011 15:57:24] <JohnnyNOC> it's all good
[28-Jul-2011 15:57:26] <Hackman238> *sort
[28-Jul-2011 15:57:39] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I havent seen the events db not contract on mass deletion, however
[28-Jul-2011 15:57:40] <JohnnyNOC> i'll try that after this zenchkrels stuff is done
[28-Jul-2011 15:58:09] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yeah, also a zenfixit.py
[28-Jul-2011 15:58:23] <JohnnyNOC> well, it was 61GB earler today before i dropped at least 3-4 months fo events and well, it's still 61GB.
[28-Jul-2011 15:58:23] <JohnnyNOC>
[28-Jul-2011 16:01:22] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: How long did it take?
[28-Jul-2011 16:02:40] <JohnnyNOC> too long
[28-Jul-2011 16:02:44] <JohnnyNOC> ~2 hours
[28-Jul-2011 16:02:51] <JohnnyNOC> locked up events db in the meantime
[28-Jul-2011 16:03:12] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: wow hum
[28-Jul-2011 16:03:23] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Might better dump and recreate
[28-Jul-2011 16:03:28] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*
[28-Jul-2011 16:03:38] <JohnnyNOC> trim, dump, import
[28-Jul-2011 16:03:54] <JohnnyNOC> i'm tryin gto get the events db and stuff from 61GB -> to like, 10GB
[28-Jul-2011 16:04:02] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Time, dump, drop, import
[28-Jul-2011 16:04:19] <JohnnyNOC> right, forgot the drop
[28-Jul-2011 16:04:20] <JohnnyNOC>
[28-Jul-2011 16:04:50] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Good luck...ours are so big your backup servers shimmy trying to process the sql data
[28-Jul-2011 16:13:42] <rmatte> lol
[28-Jul-2011 16:35:43] <nate1> ok
[28-Jul-2011 16:35:53] <nate1> is there an easy way to port my zenpacks from one instalaltion to another?
[28-Jul-2011 16:35:57] <nate1> without manually installing each one?
[28-Jul-2011 16:36:17] <AndrewC_> Hey guys is there a weather map portlet for the main page or similar add-on?
[28-Jul-2011 16:39:53] <Hackman238> nate1: The best way is to install them
[28-Jul-2011 16:41:03] <nate1> ok
[28-Jul-2011 16:41:06] <nate1> I guess I will do that
[28-Jul-2011 16:41:06] <nate1>
[28-Jul-2011 16:42:42] <nate1> ok
[28-Jul-2011 16:43:00] <nate1> is the best thing to restart zope after I install one using the gui?
[28-Jul-2011 16:43:05] <nate1> zenoss restart zope
[28-Jul-2011 16:44:34] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 it crapped out
[28-Jul-2011 16:44:42] <Hackman238> nate1: Yes
[28-Jul-2011 16:44:50] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Whats the trace?
[28-Jul-2011 16:45:42] <JohnnyNOC> sent via email
[28-Jul-2011 16:45:51] <JohnnyNOC> but it crapped out becauase of some user's messages?!?
[28-Jul-2011 16:46:00] <JohnnyNOC> ERROR:zen.Relations:remote relation /zport/dmd/ZenUsers/dbowman/messages/msg/messageQueue doesn't point back to /zport/dmd/ZenUsers/dbowman/messages/msg/messageQueue
[28-Jul-2011 16:46:56] <JohnnyNOC> how am i supposed to rectify this? googling now
[28-Jul-2011 16:47:33] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Ah yep. corrupt messagequeues
[28-Jul-2011 16:48:03] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: you'll need to delete that user and recreate them
[28-Jul-2011 16:48:10] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: then run zenchkrels again
[28-Jul-2011 16:48:31] <JohnnyNOC> oh, sweet
[28-Jul-2011 16:48:46] <JohnnyNOC> we've got AD authentication setup (not sure how it was done)
[28-Jul-2011 16:48:53] <JohnnyNOC> but i have the feeling that's going to cause a problem
[28-Jul-2011 16:49:44] <JohnnyNOC> another 2+ hours i don't have today
[28-Jul-2011 16:49:47] <JohnnyNOC> oh, zenoss
[28-Jul-2011 16:50:51] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Ad shouldnt cause an issue
[28-Jul-2011 16:50:54] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Dont worrk
[28-Jul-2011 16:50:57] <Hackman238> *worry
[28-Jul-2011 16:51:07] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: lets do something differnt
[28-Jul-2011 16:51:13] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: cancel zenchkrels
[28-Jul-2011 16:51:18] <JohnnyNOC> it's done
[28-Jul-2011 16:51:19] <Hackman238> su zenoss
[28-Jul-2011 16:51:19] <JohnnyNOC> it crapped out
[28-Jul-2011 16:51:22] <Hackman238> zendmd
[28-Jul-2011 16:51:32] <Hackman238> for i in dmd.getSubObjects():
[28-Jul-2011 16:51:35] <Hackman238> try:
[28-Jul-2011 16:51:50] <Hackman238> i.checkRelations(repair=True)
[28-Jul-2011 16:51:54] <Hackman238> except:
[28-Jul-2011 16:52:00] <Hackman238> pass
[28-Jul-2011 16:52:09] <Hackman238> {double return}
[28-Jul-2011 16:52:12] <Hackman238> commit()
[28-Jul-2011 16:52:38] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: This will do something similar to zenchkrels but not fail on errors
[28-Jul-2011 16:52:48] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: *Minor errors
[28-Jul-2011 16:53:13] <JohnnyNOC> ok
[28-Jul-2011 16:53:15] <JohnnyNOC> we'll see what happens
[28-Jul-2011 16:53:50] <nate1> Hackman238: I installed all zenpacks
[28-Jul-2011 16:54:00] <nate1> and we are on 3.03 on both machines
[28-Jul-2011 16:54:15] <nate1> is there any other thing we need to do before running the backup?
[28-Jul-2011 16:54:26] <nate1> er, restoring the backup
[28-Jul-2011 16:55:52] <Hackman238> nate1: its good to ensure the patch level is the same
[28-Jul-2011 16:56:12] <nate1> how do I check that?
[28-Jul-2011 16:56:21] <Hackman238> nate1: let me just make sure I understand where you are
[28-Jul-2011 16:56:39] <Hackman238> nate1: The new install is the same version, arch and has the same packs as the old install?
[28-Jul-2011 16:57:24] <nate1> arch...ive?
[28-Jul-2011 16:57:54] <Hackman238> nate1: 32-bit / 64 -bit
[28-Jul-2011 16:58:07] <nate1> ah, yes
[28-Jul-2011 16:58:10] <nate1> those are the same
[28-Jul-2011 16:58:12] <nate1> architecture
[28-Jul-2011 16:58:13] <Hackman238> nate1: Gotcha
[28-Jul-2011 16:58:48] <Hackman238> nate1: Easiest way now is to go to the old install and tar up the zenoss directory, scp it to the new box and untar over the existing new install
[28-Jul-2011 16:59:09] <Hackman238> nate1: This is ofcoarse after shutting down zenoss on both sides first
[28-Jul-2011 16:59:37] <Hackman238> nate1: Once done you can start zenoss back up on the new install and you'll have a perfect copy, patch level and all, of the old setup
[28-Jul-2011 17:00:03] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 so i should expect this process is going to take roughly the same amount of time as the zenchkrels?
[28-Jul-2011 17:00:08] <JohnnyNOC> or is it possible it will be done quicker?
[28-Jul-2011 17:00:18] <nate1> ah ok
[28-Jul-2011 17:00:19] <nate1> wait a moment
[28-Jul-2011 17:00:30] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: About the same
[28-Jul-2011 17:00:36] <Hackman238> nate1: ?
[28-Jul-2011 17:00:36] <nate1> I know little of the zenoss installation directories and such on Linux
[28-Jul-2011 17:00:43] <nate1> zenoss stop will shutdown zenoss on the machines?
[28-Jul-2011 17:01:18] <Hackman238> nate1: You'll need to stop zenoss on the old machine before you tar up the zenoss dir and stop zenoss on the new machine before you untar the tar from the oldmachine
[28-Jul-2011 17:01:39] <Hackman238> nate1: Once untarred you can zenoss start like usual
[28-Jul-2011 17:01:41] <nate1> is that just zenoss stop?
[28-Jul-2011 17:01:43] <nate1> the command that is
[28-Jul-2011 17:02:32] <Hackman238> nate1: Yep
[28-Jul-2011 17:02:38] <Hackman238> nate1: I have to run for the night
[28-Jul-2011 17:02:39] <nate1> /usr/local/zenoss?
[28-Jul-2011 17:02:42] <nate1> that is what I need to tar?
[28-Jul-2011 17:02:47] <Hackman238> nate1: Yes
[28-Jul-2011 17:02:59] <nate1> ok
[28-Jul-2011 17:03:01] <nate1> so shut down both
[28-Jul-2011 17:03:03] <Hackman238> nate1: I have to run for the night, I'll be back tomorrow if you'd preffer to wait
[28-Jul-2011 17:03:07] <nate1> tar old directory, move to new machine
[28-Jul-2011 17:03:09] <nate1> untar over old?
[28-Jul-2011 17:03:19] <nate1> why is this better than using a zenbackup?
[28-Jul-2011 17:03:21] <nate1> ok:)
[28-Jul-2011 17:03:26] <Hackman238> nate1: yep
[28-Jul-2011 17:03:43] <Hackman238> nate1: zenbackup doesnt handle patches, packs and is poop
[28-Jul-2011 17:03:57] <Hackman238> nate1: I'll be back tomorrow.
[28-Jul-2011 17:04:00] <Hackman238> Later all!
[28-Jul-2011 17:04:29] <JohnnyNOC> night Hackman238
[28-Jul-2011 17:04:59] <nate1> ciao
[28-Jul-2011 17:05:05] <nate1> thanks for the assistance
[28-Jul-2011 17:11:00] <nyeates> I forgot how much work i wasnt getting done by visiting this channel
[28-Jul-2011 17:11:25] <nyeates> heh joking..... kinda
[28-Jul-2011 17:39:42] <nate1> lol
[28-Jul-2011 17:39:44] <nate1> "ODÂ has quite a potty mouth. 0.6% words were foul language.Â
[28-Jul-2011 17:39:44] <nate1> DKÂ also makes sailors blush, 0.5% of the time."
[28-Jul-2011 17:39:47] <nate1> <3 chatstats
[28-Jul-2011 17:40:24] <nate1> "vetkvltownz has quite a potty mouth. 95.6% words were foul language. "
[28-Jul-2011 17:41:13] <nate1> oh wow
[28-Jul-2011 17:41:17] <nate1> just realized I am in werong chat
[28-Jul-2011 17:41:18] <nate1> lol
[28-Jul-2011 18:01:37] <nate1> can we stop mysql through zenoss?
[28-Jul-2011 18:01:50] <nate1> we need to stop it to copy the zenoss folder over
[28-Jul-2011 18:05:55] <nonsenso> so uh.
[28-Jul-2011 18:05:58] <nonsenso> rehi and stuff.
[28-Jul-2011 18:26:42] <JohnnyNOC> zenoss is almost bringing me to tears
[28-Jul-2011 18:27:08] <hmp> JohnnyNOC: join the club
[28-Jul-2011 18:27:39] <JohnnyNOC> i'm not a fan of this club
[28-Jul-2011 19:09:55] <JohnnyNOC> why would a device i just added have problems "fetching its configs" during zenperfsnmp run?
[28-Jul-2011 19:51:11] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk
[28-Jul-2011 20:45:04] <JohnnyNOC> ls -l
[28-Jul-2011 20:45:07] <JohnnyNOC> doh
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[29-Jul-2011 06:37:02] <photon001> Hi everyone
[29-Jul-2011 06:37:41] <photon001> In order to install a MIB, can I do it via GUI or is it not safe ?
[29-Jul-2011 07:05:49] <tsener> worked for me several times without any problem
[29-Jul-2011 07:06:16] <photon001> okaay. Thanks
[29-Jul-2011 07:58:42] <ljkite> Do you need to restart zenoss after putting in a transform?
[29-Jul-2011 08:00:40] <ljkite> Would this work? i want all alerts suppressed if 'NetOut Datacenter pro230 pri int' is down
[29-Jul-2011 08:00:41] <ljkite> device_A = device.findDevice('NetOut Datacenter pro230 pri int')
[29-Jul-2011 08:00:41] <ljkite> if device_A.getPingStatus() > 0:
[29-Jul-2011 08:00:41] <ljkite> evt.eventState = 2 # suppress or substitute this with line below to drop it
[29-Jul-2011 08:33:51] <ljkite> <ljkite> Do you need to restart zenoss after putting in a transform?
[29-Jul-2011 08:33:51] <ljkite> <ljkite> Would this work? i want all alerts suppressed if 'NetOut Datacenter pro230 pri int' is down
[29-Jul-2011 08:33:51] <ljkite> <ljkite> device_A = device.findDevice('NetOut Datacenter pro230 pri int')
[29-Jul-2011 08:33:51] <ljkite> <ljkite> if device_A.getPingStatus() > 0:
[29-Jul-2011 08:33:51] <ljkite> <ljkite> evt.eventState = 2 # suppress or substitute this with line below to drop it
[29-Jul-2011 08:43:45] <ljkite> any one alive up in herrr?
[29-Jul-2011 08:55:34] kocolosk is now known as kocolosk|away
[29-Jul-2011 08:59:13] <ljkite> helloo
[29-Jul-2011 09:04:46] <Hackman238> Morning all
[29-Jul-2011 09:05:46] <Hackman238> ljkite: Try not to name devices using spaces and symbols other than periods and underscores...it'll save you headaches in the future
[29-Jul-2011 09:06:27] <ljkite> i will not in the future.. but what can i do now?
[29-Jul-2011 09:06:42] <Hackman238> ljkite: What are you trying to do?
[29-Jul-2011 09:06:54] <ljkite> <ljkite> Would this work? i want all alerts suppressed if 'NetOut Datacenter pro230 pri int' is down
[29-Jul-2011 09:10:08] <ljkite> the device is the gateway address
[29-Jul-2011 09:11:34] <Bart> anyone remember a bug in 2.5.2 where zenping would report devices down which aren't down at all? its always the last device that was added that seems to have this problem. Restarting zenping fixes this, but i get grumpy if that happens in the middle of the night
[29-Jul-2011 09:13:12] <Hackman238> ljkite: 1 second, sorry
[29-Jul-2011 09:13:18] <Hackman238> ljkite: Had to address a troll
[29-Jul-2011 09:13:35] <Hackman238> Bart: Do you have a netscreen?
[29-Jul-2011 09:14:51] <Hackman238> klone: Having fun with DFW?
[29-Jul-2011 09:14:54] <Bart> Hackman238: yes, lots of them. one is in front of the monitorng server
[29-Jul-2011 09:15:06] <Hackman238> Bart: thats the issue
[29-Jul-2011 09:15:29] <Bart> thanks, i'll check whats going on there
[29-Jul-2011 09:16:03] <Hackman238> Bart: Netscreens process icmp in the main processor rather than asic and can get overwhelmed easily...even at low cpu usage. This results in icmp being dropped and sometimes the packets are mangled
[29-Jul-2011 09:16:32] <Hackman238> Bart: A good solution to this is to reduce the number of ping packets in flight option under the collector settings
[29-Jul-2011 09:17:05] <Hackman238> Bart: It'll help stent the bleeding at the netscreens by reducing the bursts to more of a flow
[29-Jul-2011 09:20:30] <Hackman238> ljkite: Found it
[29-Jul-2011 09:20:33] <Bart> it could indeed be mangled because the netscreen claims the packet was forwarded, but it doesn't seem to be sent through a vpn as it should. I'll lower the pings in flight and see what happens
[29-Jul-2011 09:20:39] <Hackman238> ljkite: blogs/zenossblog/2009/05/28/tip-of-the-month-event-suppression#comment-1484
[29-Jul-2011 09:20:52] <Hackman238> ljkite: Has examples and discussion on what you're trying to do
[29-Jul-2011 09:21:03] <Hackman238> Bart: Thats often the case
[29-Jul-2011 09:22:20] <kotique> just look at this image element in /manage zenoss page : <img src="/" alt="" border="0">
[29-Jul-2011 09:22:33] <kotique> /zport/dmd/ZenUsers/xx/manage
[29-Jul-2011 09:22:46] <Hackman238> kotique: What is it?
[29-Jul-2011 09:23:57] <kotique> no idea
[29-Jul-2011 09:26:56] <kotique> you know what, someone suggested I set "do not repeat" for an alert. so I did that. now i'm getting constant alerts instead of just 1. i've removed the count filter.
[29-Jul-2011 09:27:22] <kotique> looks like there's a new alert generated for each increase of alert counter.
[29-Jul-2011 09:29:46] <Hackman238> kotique: What type of alert?
[29-Jul-2011 09:29:53] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 yo
[29-Jul-2011 09:29:58] <kotique> page alert, does it matter?
[29-Jul-2011 09:30:03] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Hey, how goes the war?
[29-Jul-2011 09:30:20] <JohnnyNOC> going well
[29-Jul-2011 09:30:36] <JohnnyNOC> i don't know how i fixed it exactly, but my problem yesterday is gone
[29-Jul-2011 09:30:59] <Hackman238> kotique: Just wondering. You shouldnt get a page for every new count of an acked event
[29-Jul-2011 09:31:09] <Hackman238> kotique: Long as repeat is off
[29-Jul-2011 09:31:21] <JohnnyNOC> i think it was when i added an additional collector and then removed it.. seemed to be after that zenoss was able to find the configs for all these devices that weren't having their RRD graphs updated
[29-Jul-2011 09:31:23] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Did that zendmd foo finish?
[29-Jul-2011 09:31:31] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 nah i couldn't wait for it to complete
[29-Jul-2011 09:31:32] <kotique> that's indeed very strange. let's wait a little bit to gather the stats
[29-Jul-2011 09:31:44] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 do people run zenchkrels regularly like a cron job or something?
[29-Jul-2011 09:31:58] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Gotcha. Should like it was a collector relationship that broke since removing and readding the collector fixed it
[29-Jul-2011 09:32:09] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: You could, yes.
[29-Jul-2011 09:32:22] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I have a set of scripts I run that email me when problems are found
[29-Jul-2011 09:32:36] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I woudlnt mind posting them on the forum
[29-Jul-2011 09:32:43] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 that would be sweet
[29-Jul-2011 09:33:03] <JohnnyNOC> i've got some scripts that i've been using to help me determine when things are out of whack.. our environment changes so often it's easy for little things to get lost
[29-Jul-2011 09:33:06] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Covers broken devices, components, layer3 cat. and relationships
[29-Jul-2011 09:33:22] <JohnnyNOC> nice, yea, i'd be interested in having a l ook
[29-Jul-2011 09:33:28] <Bart> Hackman238: turns out it was a session that was stuck in the firewall, sending the traffic outside the vpn. Weird that the netscreen would consider all pings sent by zenoss as part of the same session, it doesn't do that for cli pings (each echo-request is a new session then)
[29-Jul-2011 09:33:32] <JohnnyNOC> i've been contemplating putting together some sort of a 'data integrity' zenpack
[29-Jul-2011 09:33:38] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I'll post them on my site to circumvent the unresolved community agreements
[29-Jul-2011 09:33:44] <JohnnyNOC> something that checks to make sure things are how they should be and alerts otherwise
[29-Jul-2011 09:33:52] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 sgtm
[29-Jul-2011 09:33:55] <Hackman238> Bart: Ah yes, I forgot about stuck sessions.
[29-Jul-2011 09:34:07] <Hackman238> Bart: Netscreens too much fun
[29-Jul-2011 09:34:21] <Hackman238> Bart: Have you considered upgrade to SRX?
[29-Jul-2011 09:34:43] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Whats sgtm?
[29-Jul-2011 09:34:55] <JohnnyNOC> sounds good to me
[29-Jul-2011 09:34:55] <JohnnyNOC> sorry
[29-Jul-2011 09:35:00] <JohnnyNOC> similar to lgtm
[29-Jul-2011 09:35:03] <JohnnyNOC> looks good to me
[29-Jul-2011 09:35:03] <JohnnyNOC>
[29-Jul-2011 09:35:33] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Ah gotcha
[29-Jul-2011 09:35:41] <Bart> Hackman238: I have those as well. Just not everywhere yet. Got one in the location where i'm planning my backup monitoring server so i hope that all works well
[29-Jul-2011 09:35:48] <nate1> Hello
[29-Jul-2011 09:35:57] <nate1> what is the best way for me to update to zenoss core 3.1?
[29-Jul-2011 09:36:21] <Hackman238> nate1: Morning
[29-Jul-2011 09:36:31] <Hackman238> nate1: Did the restoration go ok?
[29-Jul-2011 09:36:42] <nate1> it seems ok
[29-Jul-2011 09:36:46] <nate1> some things to iron out I think
[29-Jul-2011 09:36:47] <Hackman238> nate1: Great
[29-Jul-2011 09:36:52] <Hackman238> nate1: Not unusual
[29-Jul-2011 09:36:53] <nate1> but at least we can access the ifnrastructure now
[29-Jul-2011 09:37:17] <Hackman238> nate1: To upgrade to v3.1 lets run some tests to fix and existing complications
[29-Jul-2011 09:37:29] <Hackman238> nate1: su zenoss, on the zenoss master, zenchkrels -x 1 -r
[29-Jul-2011 09:37:30] <nate1> ok?
[29-Jul-2011 09:37:53] <JohnnyNOC> Oops! Google Chrome could not find hackman238.com
[29-Jul-2011 09:37:55] <JohnnyNOC>
[29-Jul-2011 09:38:08] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: LOL. ShaneWilliamScott.com
[29-Jul-2011 09:38:22] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Not up there yet, I will get them up pretty quick though
[29-Jul-2011 09:39:15] <kotique> bug: when schedule for an alert is saved, the browser is redirected to root page, not to schedules page
[29-Jul-2011 09:39:35] <nate1> ok zenchk runninh
[29-Jul-2011 09:39:49] <Hackman238> nate1: TY. as you know, it'll take a bit
[29-Jul-2011 09:40:14] <nate1> yup
[29-Jul-2011 09:41:20] <nate1> ERROR:zen.Relations:remote relation /zport/dmd/ZenUsers/admin/messages/msg/messageQueue doesn't point back to /zport/dmd/ZenUsers/admin/messages/msg/messageQueue
[29-Jul-2011 09:41:25] <nate1> WARNING:zen.Relations:reconnecting relation /zport/dmd/ZenUsers/admin/messages/msg/messageQueue to relation /zport/dmd/ZenUsers/admin/messages/msg/messageQueue
[29-Jul-2011 09:41:28] <SDuensin> FrIdAy!
[29-Jul-2011 09:41:42] <nate1> then a traceback
[29-Jul-2011 09:41:43] <nate1> then AttributeError: messageQueue
[29-Jul-2011 09:41:55] <Hackman238> nate1: Alrighty. Common problem
[29-Jul-2011 09:42:03] <Hackman238> nate1: 1 second
[29-Jul-2011 09:42:10] <nate1> ok
[29-Jul-2011 09:42:40] <Hackman238> nate1: go to http://yourzenoss:8080/zport/dmd/ZenUsers/manage
[29-Jul-2011 09:43:06] <Hackman238> nate1: check 'admin' in the list and scroll to the bottom and pick Delete
[29-Jul-2011 09:43:14] <Hackman238> nate1: This will delete the admin account...sort of
[29-Jul-2011 09:43:16] <nate1> done
[29-Jul-2011 09:43:26] <Hackman238> nate1: You cant really delete the admin account, its more of a scaffold
[29-Jul-2011 09:43:37] <Hackman238> nate1: good. do a zopectl restart
[29-Jul-2011 09:43:53] <nate1> done
[29-Jul-2011 09:44:04] <Hackman238> nate1: Go back to that same page and see if admin was recreated
[29-Jul-2011 09:44:19] <nate1> Does not appear so
[29-Jul-2011 09:44:55] <Hackman238> nate1: Did you refresh the page?
[29-Jul-2011 09:45:03] <Hackman238> nate1: (sorry, I know is a dumb question)
[29-Jul-2011 09:45:12] <nate1> yup
[29-Jul-2011 09:45:46] <Hackman238> nate1: Okay, at the cli as zenoss do zenhub stop; zopectl stop; zeoctl stop; zeoctl start; zopectl start; zenhub start
[29-Jul-2011 09:45:56] kocolosk|away is now known as kocolosk
[29-Jul-2011 09:46:22] <nate1> done
[29-Jul-2011 09:46:34] <Hackman238> nate1: Alrighty. run zenchkrels -x1 -r again
[29-Jul-2011 09:46:51] <nate1> running
[29-Jul-2011 09:47:04] <Hackman238> SDuensin: Friday indeed!
[29-Jul-2011 09:47:39] <Hackman238> kotique: with your alert problem, is this happening across the baord or only with one set of rules?
[29-Jul-2011 09:48:09] <kotique> you know what, it stopped.
[29-Jul-2011 09:48:09] <nate1> same errors ir appears
[29-Jul-2011 09:48:31] <Hackman238> nate1: okay, elts try a differnt method
[29-Jul-2011 09:48:37] <Hackman238> su zenoss
[29-Jul-2011 09:48:39] <Hackman238> zendmd
[29-Jul-2011 09:48:46] <Hackman238> for i in dmd.getSubObjects():
[29-Jul-2011 09:48:48] <kotique> looks like when you copy & paste the alert rule in zope manager, the new alert rule receives all current alerts
[29-Jul-2011 09:48:48] <Hackman238> try:
[29-Jul-2011 09:49:03] <Hackman238> i.checkRelations(repair=True)
[29-Jul-2011 09:49:06] <Hackman238> except:
[29-Jul-2011 09:49:08] <Hackman238> pass
[29-Jul-2011 09:49:11] <kotique> and when a page fails, it just tries to send that page again and again (which ain't good, btw)
[29-Jul-2011 09:49:13] <Hackman238> commit()
[29-Jul-2011 09:49:45] <Hackman238> kotique: Interesting
[29-Jul-2011 09:50:42] <nate1> File "<console>", line 6
[29-Jul-2011 09:50:42] <nate1> commit()
[29-Jul-2011 09:50:42] <nate1> ^
[29-Jul-2011 09:50:42] <nate1> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
[29-Jul-2011 09:50:42] <Hackman238> kotique: Would you mind running a dmd test for me?
[29-Jul-2011 09:50:58] <Hackman238> nate1: did the rest run?
[29-Jul-2011 09:51:08] <nate1> ehhh
[29-Jul-2011 09:51:11] <nate1> it does not appear so
[29-Jul-2011 09:51:15] <Hackman238> nate1: try commit() again, looks like theres a space at the beginning
[29-Jul-2011 09:51:24] <Hackman238> nate1: If it ran there will be no output
[29-Jul-2011 09:51:33] <nate1> looks like I have to type it all again?
[29-Jul-2011 09:51:43] <Hackman238> nate1: Whats your email?
[29-Jul-2011 09:51:58] <Hackman238> nate1: send me an email at Shane.Scott@Rackspace.com
[29-Jul-2011 09:52:08] <Hackman238> nate1: I'll email the block to you so you can just paste it
[29-Jul-2011 09:52:32] <kotique> Hackman238, we're on production and no test zenoss install yet
[29-Jul-2011 09:52:54] <Hackman238> kotique: Is a safe test
[29-Jul-2011 09:53:07] <kotique> alright, what's the test about?
[29-Jul-2011 09:53:14] <nate1> sent
[29-Jul-2011 09:54:09] <Hackman238> kotique: test alerting rels
[29-Jul-2011 09:54:41] <kotique> everythng's fine with them, i see that in zope
[29-Jul-2011 09:55:28] <kotique> though i'm open to suggestions on how to DRY all those alert rules that are equal except for recepient pager address and associated user
[29-Jul-2011 09:55:31] <nate1> Hackman238: Get it?
[29-Jul-2011 09:55:41] <Hackman238> nate1: Yes, I jsut replied.
[29-Jul-2011 09:56:00] <Hackman238> kotique: DRY?
[29-Jul-2011 09:56:59] <nate1> got it
[29-Jul-2011 09:57:16] <nate1> then I just hit enter after commit()?
[29-Jul-2011 09:57:21] <Hackman238> nate1: yep
[29-Jul-2011 09:57:23] <nate1> and it sits for a littler bit?
[29-Jul-2011 09:57:29] <nate1> does it give any indication it is working?
[29-Jul-2011 09:57:42] <Hackman238> nate1: if theres no trace or complaint its working
[29-Jul-2011 09:58:00] <nate1> hmmm
[29-Jul-2011 09:58:04] <nate1> how will I know when it is don
[29-Jul-2011 09:58:06] <nate1> e?
[29-Jul-2011 09:58:11] <kotique> don't repeat yourself
[29-Jul-2011 09:58:28] <Hackman238> nate1: You'll have a >> prompt again
[29-Jul-2011 09:58:35] <nate1> ok
[29-Jul-2011 09:58:37] <nate1> I have that
[29-Jul-2011 09:58:46] <Hackman238> nate1: When its done do reindex()
[29-Jul-2011 09:58:58] <Hackman238> nate1: again, when done, commit()
[29-Jul-2011 09:59:04] <nate1> ok
[29-Jul-2011 09:59:52] <Hackman238> nate1: The zenoss gods have spoken to me and decreed there is a way to prevent that messageQueue problem in the future.
[29-Jul-2011 10:00:04] <Hackman238> nate1: at the cli, su zenoss, and zenpatch 25901
[29-Jul-2011 10:00:04] <nate1> orly?
[29-Jul-2011 10:00:19] <nate1> prevent it in the transfer?
[29-Jul-2011 10:00:21] <Hackman238> nate1: Yeah I didnt know myself. I just delete and recreate users
[29-Jul-2011 10:00:28] <nate1> hmm
[29-Jul-2011 10:00:33] <nate1> what exactly does that error message mean?
[29-Jul-2011 10:00:52] <nate1> reindex finishedf
[29-Jul-2011 10:00:53] <Hackman238> nate1: The problem is the relationship between the two objects is incorrect
[29-Jul-2011 10:01:00] <Hackman238> nate1: good. commit()
[29-Jul-2011 10:01:18] <nate1> the commit happened insantly
[29-Jul-2011 10:01:21] <nate1> on this and after that loop
[29-Jul-2011 10:01:23] <Hackman238> nate1: nice
[29-Jul-2011 10:01:23] <nate1> is that normal?
[29-Jul-2011 10:01:37] <Hackman238> nate1: Its dependant on the zodb size, in your case its normal
[29-Jul-2011 10:01:45] <nate1> ok
[29-Jul-2011 10:01:51] <nate1> what should be the next step?
[29-Jul-2011 10:02:07] <Hackman238> nate1: now what you'll want to do is fetch a copy of the zenoss 3.1 installer
[29-Jul-2011 10:02:20] <Hackman238> nate1: must use the same arc as the currently installed zenoss to be upgraded
[29-Jul-2011 10:02:31] <Hackman238> nate1: 1
[29-Jul-2011 10:02:35] <nate1> do I want the deb?
[29-Jul-2011 10:02:52] <nate1> I downloaded... zenoss-stack-3.1.0-linux-x64
[29-Jul-2011 10:02:53] <Hackman238> nate1: You'll want to use the same package you used to install it
[29-Jul-2011 10:03:12] <Hackman238> nate1: When you installed 3.0.3 did you use the stack or the deb?
[29-Jul-2011 10:03:17] <nate1> I believe he used the 3.0.3 stack
[29-Jul-2011 10:03:20] <nate1> I didn't do it
[29-Jul-2011 10:03:37] <Hackman238> nate1: lets use teh 3.1 stack you downloaded
[29-Jul-2011 10:04:05] <Hackman238> nate1: rmatte might need to give you some pointers on stack specific problems that are common.- I'm exclusively rpm
[29-Jul-2011 10:04:19] <Hackman238> rmatte: How goes it?
[29-Jul-2011 10:04:21] <nate1> ok
[29-Jul-2011 10:04:42] <nate1> so what do I need to do to install this?
[29-Jul-2011 10:05:00] <Hackman238> nate1: you'll need to chmod a+x the bin file
[29-Jul-2011 10:05:11] <Hackman238> nate1: as zenoss user, zenoss stop
[29-Jul-2011 10:05:24] <Hackman238> nate1: as root, execute the installer
[29-Jul-2011 10:05:33] <nate1> how do I get the installer?
[29-Jul-2011 10:05:38] <nate1> to my machine from my local machine?
[29-Jul-2011 10:05:57] <Hackman238> nate1: you'll need to use wget {url} to download it on the master
[29-Jul-2011 10:06:12] <nate1> ah
[29-Jul-2011 10:06:13] <nate1> ok
[29-Jul-2011 10:06:32] <nate1> so like..
[29-Jul-2011 10:06:33] <nate1> wget http://downloads.sourceforge.net/zenoss/zenoss-stack-3.1.0-linux-x64.bin
[29-Jul-2011 10:06:34] <nate1> ?
[29-Jul-2011 10:06:41] <Hackman238> nate1: yep
[29-Jul-2011 10:07:30] <nate1> er
[29-Jul-2011 10:07:36] <nate1> what is the default password for the zenoss user
[29-Jul-2011 10:07:49] <Hackman238> nate1: the zenoss use has no password
[29-Jul-2011 10:07:58] <Hackman238> nate1: if it does have one, lets change it to nothing
[29-Jul-2011 10:08:00] <nate1> I try to sudo wget
[29-Jul-2011 10:08:04] <nate1> and it asks for password for zenoss
[29-Jul-2011 10:08:12] <nate1> and the person who configured this did not set up a password either
[29-Jul-2011 10:08:14] <nate1> for zenoss
[29-Jul-2011 10:08:29] <Hackman238> nate1: Dont use sudo....thats a whole pain in the butt. open a second session to the box and login as root
[29-Jul-2011 10:09:12] <nate1> roots default pass?
[29-Jul-2011 10:09:18] <Hackman238> nate1: Sudo works great long as its all setup right, but thats usually not the case.
[29-Jul-2011 10:09:24] <Hackman238> nate1: What platform?
[29-Jul-2011 10:09:28] <Hackman238> nate1: Ubuntu?
[29-Jul-2011 10:09:48] <nate1> yes
[29-Jul-2011 10:10:03] <Hackman238> nate1: Good question. no idea, but you can get root by sudo su -
[29-Jul-2011 10:10:12] <Hackman238> nate1: now that you're root, do passwd root
[29-Jul-2011 10:10:19] <Hackman238> nate1: And you can set your root password
[29-Jul-2011 10:12:18] <nate1> got it
[29-Jul-2011 10:12:34] <Hackman238> nate1: nice. keep the root password in a safe place
[29-Jul-2011 10:12:40] <nate1> hah ok
[29-Jul-2011 10:12:54] <Hackman238> nate1: Now that you root, wget that installer
[29-Jul-2011 10:13:05] <Hackman238> nate1: Once you have it, chmod a+x {the file}
[29-Jul-2011 10:13:26] <nate1> downloading
[29-Jul-2011 10:13:32] <Hackman238> nate1: While thats going, in another console window, su zenoss and zenoss stop
[29-Jul-2011 10:14:45] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Whats your email?
[29-Jul-2011 10:15:04] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I cant upload to my site...must have fubarred permissions during my last upgrade LOL
[29-Jul-2011 10:15:15] <nate1> ok stopped
[29-Jul-2011 10:15:52] <Hackman238> nate1: Let me know once the file is downloaded and chmod is done
[29-Jul-2011 10:18:44] <nate1> ok
[29-Jul-2011 10:18:47] <nate1> now chmod the file
[29-Jul-2011 10:19:32] <nate1> ok
[29-Jul-2011 10:19:33] <nate1> chmod'd
[29-Jul-2011 10:20:23] <Hackman238> nate1: okay. double check zenoss is shutdown. If so, as root do ./{the installer name}
[29-Jul-2011 10:20:55] <nate1> appears to be shutdown
[29-Jul-2011 10:20:57] <nate1> going to run
[29-Jul-2011 10:21:05] <Hackman238> nate1: Alrighty
[29-Jul-2011 10:21:42] <nate1> use /usr/local/zenoss for install?
[29-Jul-2011 10:21:48] <nate1> it will automatically update existing install?
[29-Jul-2011 10:22:47] <Hackman238> nate1: Yes. I *think* so. I wish rmatte were here to validate that.
[29-Jul-2011 10:22:57] <nate1> installing!
[29-Jul-2011 10:23:00] <nate1> here goes everything
[29-Jul-2011 10:23:09] <Hackman238> nate1: Worst case we can just start over with the tar we made yesterday
[29-Jul-2011 10:23:14] <nate1> yup
[29-Jul-2011 10:24:21] <JohnnyNOC> management@hotmale.com
[29-Jul-2011 10:24:29] <JohnnyNOC> jk jk jk
[29-Jul-2011 10:25:43] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: LOL
[29-Jul-2011 10:25:48] <nate1> hmm
[29-Jul-2011 10:25:52] <nate1> looks like it is still on 100%
[29-Jul-2011 10:25:56] <nate1> for a little while
[29-Jul-2011 10:26:03] <Hackman238> nate1: Give it time...thats a common problem
[29-Jul-2011 10:26:11] <nate1> okie
[29-Jul-2011 10:26:14] <nate1> thought it might be
[29-Jul-2011 10:28:02] <nate1> looks like things are still restarting
[29-Jul-2011 10:28:05] <nate1> the UI is back up
[29-Jul-2011 10:28:11] <nate1> and it shows the new version
[29-Jul-2011 10:28:13] <Hackman238> nate1: Very cool
[29-Jul-2011 10:28:19] <nate1> graphs not back yet
[29-Jul-2011 10:28:21] <Hackman238> nate1: still says 100%?
[29-Jul-2011 10:28:26] <nate1> naw
[29-Jul-2011 10:28:34] <nate1> it got to a new box that said launch zenoss y/n
[29-Jul-2011 10:28:36] <nate1> and I said y
[29-Jul-2011 10:28:39] <Hackman238> nate1: Nice
[29-Jul-2011 10:28:50] <Hackman238> nate1: Go through and make sure everything works
[29-Jul-2011 10:28:56] <Hackman238> nate1: Should be pretty set
[29-Jul-2011 10:29:05] <nate1> hmm
[29-Jul-2011 10:29:10] <nate1> the graphs on the dashboard
[29-Jul-2011 10:29:15] <nate1> are showing login screens
[29-Jul-2011 10:29:25] <nate1> lol
[29-Jul-2011 10:29:31] <nate1> if I login to one, then the graph shows
[29-Jul-2011 10:29:51] <Hackman238> nate1: close the browser complete and reopen and see if it happens again
[29-Jul-2011 10:30:04] <photon001> How can I load my MIBs in a safe way ?
[29-Jul-2011 10:30:10] <nate1> itsd all up now anyways
[29-Jul-2011 10:30:23] <nate1> thanks for your assistance
[29-Jul-2011 10:30:32] <Hackman238> nate1: No sweat.
[29-Jul-2011 10:30:33] <nate1> might have more issue later, but I think I am good for now:)
[29-Jul-2011 10:30:41] <Hackman238> nate1: Feel free to come back anytime
[29-Jul-2011 10:30:48] <Hackman238> nate1: And buy RackSpace products!
[29-Jul-2011 10:30:50] <Hackman238>
[29-Jul-2011 10:30:54] <nate1> heh
[29-Jul-2011 10:31:10] <Hackman238> nate1: Have a good one
[29-Jul-2011 10:31:31] <nate1> you as well
[29-Jul-2011 10:47:26] <dhopp> Hackman238: is this shameless plug day? :-P
[29-Jul-2011 10:47:42] <Hackman238> dhopp: I dont understand
[29-Jul-2011 10:47:55] <dhopp> nate1: And buy RackSpace products!
[29-Jul-2011 10:48:02] <Hackman238> dhopp: Oh LOL
[29-Jul-2011 10:48:18] <Hackman238> dhopp: I figure I might as well say it once in a blue moon
[29-Jul-2011 10:48:23] <dhopp> lol
[29-Jul-2011 10:48:46] <Hackman238> So if anyone here buys Rackspace products, tell them I sent you
[29-Jul-2011 10:48:54] <Hackman238> LOL
[29-Jul-2011 10:49:14] <dhopp> "Hackman238 told me to buy it"…"Who's Hackman238?"
[29-Jul-2011 10:49:33] <Hackman238> dhopp: Damn...maybe should change my name on here
[29-Jul-2011 10:49:45] <dhopp> lol
[29-Jul-2011 11:00:41] <mennie> i have a modem connected to my zenoss to send sms, but i need a script to send the CMGS AT commands
[29-Jul-2011 11:00:47] <mennie> does anyone know such a script
[29-Jul-2011 11:03:03] <dhopp> mennie: have you looked at docs/DOC-5819
[29-Jul-2011 11:03:37] <mennie> yes, but that dials to a number, i don't need that
[29-Jul-2011 11:19:59] <fritz101> can someone please help me out with a little python event transform? i have some code to exclude a couple devices from pagefile events, but need to add a whole device Group to the exclusions. From what I read about excluding device groups here: message/55826, it has to be done with a string search. But the syntax I am using is not working.
[29-Jul-2011 11:22:01] <fritz101> here is what i've got. i also tried using a elif for the second expression but that didn't work either.
[29-Jul-2011 11:22:02] <fritz101> groups = str(evt.DeviceGroups)
[29-Jul-2011 11:22:28] <fritz101> if 'server1' in evt.device or 'server2' in evt.device:
[29-Jul-2011 11:22:49] <fritz101> if groups and groups.find("group name")>=0:
[29-Jul-2011 11:22:56] <fritz101> evt._action = 'drop'
[29-Jul-2011 11:25:01] <Hackman238> fritz101: You shouldnt need the if 'server1' line since you're looking for a specific group name
[29-Jul-2011 11:25:04] <Hackman238> fritz101: I wouldnt think anyway
[29-Jul-2011 11:25:44] <fritz101> server 1 and 2 are not part of the group
[29-Jul-2011 11:26:05] <fritz101> i need server 1, 2 AND all members of the group excluded.
[29-Jul-2011 11:26:16] <Hackman238> fritz101: oh gotcha. 1 second
[29-Jul-2011 11:26:22] <fritz101> thanks!
[29-Jul-2011 11:28:16] <Hackman238> groups = str(evt.DeviceGroups)
[29-Jul-2011 11:28:18] <Hackman238> if groups and groups.find("group name")>=0 or 'server1' in evt.device or 'server2' in evt.device: evt._action = 'drop'
[29-Jul-2011 11:28:47] <Hackman238> fritz101: Sort of long and unelegant
[29-Jul-2011 11:29:19] <Hackman238> fritz101: frankly I might suggest a group called 'Event-Drop' and add all these devices to that group and contition for that
[29-Jul-2011 11:29:20] <fritz101> well its not a beauty pageant
[29-Jul-2011 11:29:30] <fritz101> ah thats an interesting idea also
[29-Jul-2011 11:29:49] <fritz101> thanks very much. i'll give this transform a shot then maybe go for that if i still have trouble.
[29-Jul-2011 11:30:08] <Hackman238> fritz101: Since devices can belong to many groups or systems at once it's a great way to group unrelated items on many levels
[29-Jul-2011 11:30:11] <Hackman238> fritz101: NP
[29-Jul-2011 11:30:32] <fritz101> ya good idea. thanks again Hackman
[29-Jul-2011 11:30:45] <Hackman238> fritz101: NP
[29-Jul-2011 11:53:31] <rmatte> just to point out, you would probably want to do: groups = evt.DeviceGroups.split('|')
[29-Jul-2011 11:53:42] <rmatte> then: if "blah" in groups:
[29-Jul-2011 11:54:36] <fritz101> oh ok. what is the difference?
[29-Jul-2011 11:54:36] <rmatte> more precise
[29-Jul-2011 11:54:49] <rmatte> what it'll do is break it up in to a list of groups
[29-Jul-2011 11:55:09] <rmatte> because in the event you basically have a string like: |/group1|/group2|/group3
[29-Jul-2011 11:55:34] <rmatte> by using split with | you end up with a list: ['group1', 'group2', 'group3']
[29-Jul-2011 11:55:57] <rmatte> actually sorry, more like...
[29-Jul-2011 11:56:10] <rmatte> ['/group1', '/group2', '/group3']
[29-Jul-2011 11:56:21] <rmatte> then when you do the: if "/group2" in groups:
[29-Jul-2011 11:56:28] <rmatte> it'll only match if it's exactly /group2
[29-Jul-2011 11:56:29] <fritz101> ok. so then the groups.find isn't necessary? a simple [if "name" in groups] is good enough?
[29-Jul-2011 11:56:44] <rmatte> if you set groups the way I described, yes
[29-Jul-2011 11:57:04] <rmatte> it'll look for exact matches too, so say you have /group2, /group22 and /group222
[29-Jul-2011 11:57:04] <fritz101> ok cool. so the group name needs to be exact?
[29-Jul-2011 11:57:38] <rmatte> when usin "in" against a list like that, yes
[29-Jul-2011 11:57:48] <rmatte> it doesn't apply when using it against a regular string
[29-Jul-2011 11:57:49] <fritz101> this is actually a sub-group. so its '/toplevel group/sub group' - is that the correct syntax?
[29-Jul-2011 11:58:01] <rmatte> ok, so you'd literally specify that whole thing
[29-Jul-2011 11:58:08] <fritz101> right, ok.
[29-Jul-2011 11:58:13] <fritz101> i will give that a shot
[29-Jul-2011 11:59:11] <fritz101> thanks much rmatte
[29-Jul-2011 11:59:15] <rmatte> np
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[29-Jul-2011 12:02:34] <rmatte> also, just another thing to point out...
[29-Jul-2011 12:02:47] <rmatte> [11:20am] <fritz101> if 'server1' in evt.device or 'server2' in evt.device:
[29-Jul-2011 12:03:00] <rmatte> I would avoid using in against standard strings like that
[29-Jul-2011 12:03:14] <rmatte> say you have a device called server1 and another called server10
[29-Jul-2011 12:03:18] <rmatte> that'll end up applying against both
[29-Jul-2011 12:03:31] <rmatte> you want to do: if evt.device == 'server1'
[29-Jul-2011 12:03:43] <fritz101> ok. good to know also
[29-Jul-2011 12:03:53] <rmatte> in will do partial matches, so it does have it's uses
[29-Jul-2011 12:04:21] <fritz101> for sure. good to know the flexibility
[29-Jul-2011 12:04:44] <rmatte> yeh, python is awesome once you get to know it
[29-Jul-2011 12:05:28] <fritz101> slowly but surely
[29-Jul-2011 12:05:49] <rmatte> The only reason I learned it is Zenoss lol
[29-Jul-2011 12:06:13] <fritz101> will be the same for me
[29-Jul-2011 12:09:50] <rmatte> Here's an example of what I was explaining with the groups: http://fpaste.org/jCO1/raw/
[29-Jul-2011 12:10:56] <fritz101> thanks
[29-Jul-2011 12:12:09] <rmatte> >>> groups
[29-Jul-2011 12:12:09] <rmatte> ['', '/group1', '/group10', '/group2', '/group20']
[29-Jul-2011 12:12:09] <rmatte> >>> if "/group" in groups:
[29-Jul-2011 12:12:09] <rmatte> ... print "blah"
[29-Jul-2011 12:12:10] <rmatte> ...
[29-Jul-2011 12:12:19] <rmatte> example of how it does exact matches
[29-Jul-2011 12:12:21] <rmatte>
[29-Jul-2011 12:26:24] <JohnnyNOC> anyone know what i can do to troubleshoot zenmodeler timeouts
[29-Jul-2011 12:26:28] <JohnnyNOC> and the whole "running 1 clients"
[29-Jul-2011 12:26:46] <JohnnyNOC> zenmodeler in debug isn't really helpful when trying to determine which collector plugin it's hanging on
[29-Jul-2011 12:27:26] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: zenmodeler run now -v10 -d {your device} --collect={name of plugin}
[29-Jul-2011 12:27:31] <JohnnyNOC> and when i choose an individual plugin with --collect - same shit
[29-Jul-2011 12:27:39] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I'd start with the plugins that would return the most data
[29-Jul-2011 12:27:54] <JohnnyNOC> but i've done --collect=zenoss.snmp.RouteMap for example
[29-Jul-2011 12:27:55] <JohnnyNOC> and it hans
[29-Jul-2011 12:27:56] <JohnnyNOC> hangs
[29-Jul-2011 12:28:05] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: What type of device is it?
[29-Jul-2011 12:28:06] <JohnnyNOC> right now i tried --collect=zenoss.snmp.InterfaceMap
[29-Jul-2011 12:28:08] <JohnnyNOC> and it's hanging
[29-Jul-2011 12:28:12] <JohnnyNOC> a linux server
[29-Jul-2011 12:28:19] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Sounds like it cant snmp to it
[29-Jul-2011 12:28:35] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Have you verified the device has the right community in zenoss?
[29-Jul-2011 12:28:44] <JohnnyNOC> yes
[29-Jul-2011 12:28:46] <JohnnyNOC> i can walk it
[29-Jul-2011 12:29:01] <JohnnyNOC> there are perf graphs
[29-Jul-2011 12:29:05] <JohnnyNOC> it's using HPMon zenpack
[29-Jul-2011 12:29:58] <JohnnyNOC> it's like, it doens't matter which plugin i try
[29-Jul-2011 12:30:02] <JohnnyNOC> they're all doing that
[29-Jul-2011 12:30:08] <JohnnyNOC> i dont' see anything on my master server either
[29-Jul-2011 12:30:15] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: So its collecting snmpdata but the modeler is timing out?
[29-Jul-2011 12:30:18] <JohnnyNOC> nothing that indicates any issues
[29-Jul-2011 12:30:24] <JohnnyNOC> yes
[29-Jul-2011 12:30:38] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Thats really strange
[29-Jul-2011 12:31:15] <JohnnyNOC> i mean this is just so freaking aggravating
[29-Jul-2011 12:31:25] <JohnnyNOC> why have i been trying to get a device deleted/re-added for an hour now?
[29-Jul-2011 12:31:36] <Hackman238> If anyone is wondering...the topic came from a post here: thread/16469?start=15&tstart=0
[29-Jul-2011 12:32:23] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: ....hum.
[29-Jul-2011 12:32:50] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: So with the device added to zenoss you can pick the snmpwalk command and it works?
[29-Jul-2011 12:32:52] <nyeates> hilarious forum thread above btw...
[29-Jul-2011 12:33:45] <JohnnyNOC> what do you mean pick
[29-Jul-2011 12:33:59] <JohnnyNOC> i can snmpwalk my device from my collector
[29-Jul-2011 12:34:11] <JohnnyNOC> i see plugins being run, successfully, but something just keeps on running
[29-Jul-2011 12:34:26] <JohnnyNOC> then when i try to use the collectgor plugins individually, the first 3 i've tried, all do the same thing
[29-Jul-2011 12:34:47] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Which version of zenoss are you on?
[29-Jul-2011 12:35:50] <JohnnyNOC> Broken Zenoss
[29-Jul-2011 12:35:55] <JohnnyNOC> 2.5.2
[29-Jul-2011 12:36:21] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: LOL. Okay go to the device and pick the drop down arrow > commands> snmpwalk v2
[29-Jul-2011 12:36:41] <JohnnyNOC> ok
[29-Jul-2011 12:36:42] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I'm thinking zenoss isnt using the right community
[29-Jul-2011 12:36:43] <JohnnyNOC> it showed me some stuff
[29-Jul-2011 12:36:52] <JohnnyNOC> i think you're wrong unfortunately
[29-Jul-2011 12:36:53] <JohnnyNOC>
[29-Jul-2011 12:36:55] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Damn.
[29-Jul-2011 12:36:59] <JohnnyNOC> the comm string is correct
[29-Jul-2011 12:37:06] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Thats a seriously weird problem
[29-Jul-2011 12:37:17] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Lets try something
[29-Jul-2011 12:37:26] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: On your master, zenhub debug
[29-Jul-2011 12:37:26] <JohnnyNOC> k
[29-Jul-2011 12:37:54] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: tail the zenhub log
[29-Jul-2011 12:38:07] <Hackman238> While thats going run a model, webui or cli, doesnt matter
[29-Jul-2011 12:38:40] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Watch to see anything that looks like an error or problem in the zenhub log
[29-Jul-2011 12:39:04] <JohnnyNOC> first prob i see
[29-Jul-2011 12:39:10] <JohnnyNOC> since running zenmodeler the log stopped growing
[29-Jul-2011 12:40:04] <JohnnyNOC> so, basically nothing is happening right now
[29-Jul-2011 12:40:36] <JohnnyNOC> tail -f zenhub.log is stalled, and webui is "waiting for ......" for the remodel
[29-Jul-2011 12:40:50] <JohnnyNOC> brb, gotta pee, and cry
[29-Jul-2011 12:40:58] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Hum..
[29-Jul-2011 12:44:13] <JohnnyNOC> ok
[29-Jul-2011 12:44:22] <JohnnyNOC> so webui zenmodeler timed out
[29-Jul-2011 12:44:26] <JohnnyNOC> tail -f zenhub.log doing nothing
[29-Jul-2011 12:44:45] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: yeah somethings wrong
[29-Jul-2011 12:44:55] <Hackman238> Try another device with no problems
[29-Jul-2011 12:45:07] <Hackman238> Zenhub in debug mode should spew all sorta stuff
[29-Jul-2011 12:45:28] <JohnnyNOC> yea it is spewing a bunch of stuff
[29-Jul-2011 12:45:30] <JohnnyNOC> i think the log rotated
[29-Jul-2011 12:45:56] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Okay. Once thats done try the problem device again
[29-Jul-2011 12:46:00] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Just for kicks
[29-Jul-2011 12:46:16] <JohnnyNOC> try what
[29-Jul-2011 12:46:21] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Model
[29-Jul-2011 12:47:17] <JohnnyNOC> ok, it's going to fail
[29-Jul-2011 12:47:56] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Anything showing up in the zenhub log about it?
[29-Jul-2011 12:48:35] <JohnnyNOC> bunch of stuff
[29-Jul-2011 12:48:44] <JohnnyNOC> nothing that jumps out as an error
[29-Jul-2011 12:48:54] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Can you email it to me?
[29-Jul-2011 12:49:15] <JohnnyNOC> no WARNING or ERROR
[29-Jul-2011 12:49:35] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Thats ok, it'll give me an idea of what it is and isnt doing
[29-Jul-2011 12:55:06] <nate1> It seems that pretty much all of the locally defined Queries are not failing
[29-Jul-2011 12:55:12] <nate1> from the previous system
[29-Jul-2011 12:55:12] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 sent
[29-Jul-2011 12:56:00] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Whats the device name?
[29-Jul-2011 12:56:13] <nate1> On one device I created which I have a locally defined monitoring template named
[29-Jul-2011 12:56:16] <nate1> "Jobs"
[29-Jul-2011 12:56:22] <JohnnyNOC> oslchi5pedb2
[29-Jul-2011 12:56:34] <Hackman238> svn co svn+ssh://shane.scott@bbsvn1.dfw1.rackspace.net/opt/svn/backbonesystems
[29-Jul-2011 12:56:37] <JohnnyNOC> and now, i try to remodel, and i can a timeout connecting to zenhub
[29-Jul-2011 12:56:43] <Hackman238> Poop. Sorry about that
[29-Jul-2011 12:57:02] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Alrighty
[29-Jul-2011 12:57:25] <nate1> and each data point executes a query on the zenoss machine and then will notify if a threshold is reached. Now in the event logs for this device, every one says "No output from plugin
[29-Jul-2011 12:57:26] <nate1> ""
[29-Jul-2011 13:01:57] <nate1> any ideas?
[29-Jul-2011 13:07:52] <Hackman238> nate1: It sounds like the template jobs has a command datasource which requires some non zenoss dependancies
[29-Jul-2011 13:14:35] <Hackman238> nate1: please navigate to the Jobs template and describe the list of datasources
[29-Jul-2011 13:24:12] <nate1> actually I think I fixed that ssue
[29-Jul-2011 13:24:24] <nate1> I had to install sqsh on the linux box
[29-Jul-2011 13:24:28] <Hackman238> nate1: Nice
[29-Jul-2011 14:29:43] <nate1> Should Zenoss be able to track throughput on a virtual interface?
[29-Jul-2011 14:29:44] <Hackman238> Quiet in here....
[29-Jul-2011 14:29:49] <nate1> jinx
[29-Jul-2011 14:29:52] <Hackman238> nate1: It depends on the device
[29-Jul-2011 14:29:57] <Hackman238> nate1: Jinx indeed
[29-Jul-2011 14:29:58] <Hackman238> LOL
[29-Jul-2011 14:30:04] <nate1> well
[29-Jul-2011 14:30:09] <nate1> on this router
[29-Jul-2011 14:30:12] <Hackman238> nate1: What type of device?
[29-Jul-2011 14:30:14] <nate1> all of the interfaces show throughoput
[29-Jul-2011 14:30:21] <nate1> but thwe two vitual interfaces show nothing on the graphs
[29-Jul-2011 14:30:25] <nate1> I think it is a sonicwall
[29-Jul-2011 14:30:28] <nate1> lemme get modekl
[29-Jul-2011 14:30:48] <Hackman238> nate1: Whats the ifindex of one of the virtual interfaces?
[29-Jul-2011 14:31:52] <Hackman238> nate1: do a snmpget -c {your community} -v2c {your device ip} 1.3.6.1.2.1.31.1.1.1.6.{if index)
[29-Jul-2011 14:32:27] <nate1> ok
[29-Jul-2011 14:33:13] <nate1> what does the ifindex at the end mean?
[29-Jul-2011 14:33:21] <nate1> how do I find the ifindex?
[29-Jul-2011 14:33:39] <Hackman238> nate1: navigate to one of the virtual interfaces in zenoss
[29-Jul-2011 14:33:55] <Hackman238> nate1: pick details in the little drop down box
[29-Jul-2011 14:34:09] <nate1> I did
[29-Jul-2011 14:34:21] <nate1> then what?
[29-Jul-2011 14:34:29] <Hackman238> nate1: is there Interface index?
[29-Jul-2011 14:35:04] <nate1> nope
[29-Jul-2011 14:35:39] <nate1> Interace name, status, description, ip address, mac address, type, mtu, speed, ip addresses, administrative status, operationak status, duplex mode
[29-Jul-2011 14:35:42] <nate1> thats what I see
[29-Jul-2011 14:36:49] <Hackman238> nate1: Hum. look on the other pages in that drop down
[29-Jul-2011 14:36:54] <Hackman238> nate1: might be in a diff one
[29-Jul-2011 14:37:31] <nate1> don't see it yet
[29-Jul-2011 14:38:31] <nate1> might it be in another location?
[29-Jul-2011 14:39:02] <Hackman238> nate1: I'm not sure...I dont have a v3 instance to look at
[29-Jul-2011 14:39:45] <nate1> hmmm
[29-Jul-2011 14:40:07] <nate1> could I find it from the sonicwall administration console?
[29-Jul-2011 14:40:39] <Hackman238> nate1: Not sure, I havent used one if forever. I'm bringing up a v3 here
[29-Jul-2011 14:43:07] <nate1> ok cool
[29-Jul-2011 14:46:07] <nate1> What will the number look like?
[29-Jul-2011 14:48:57] <Hackman238> nate1: Wow...I cant believe they removed it
[29-Jul-2011 14:49:25] <nate1> lol
[29-Jul-2011 14:49:28] <Hackman238> klone: Zenoss 3.1 problem- ifindex missing from interface details panel
[29-Jul-2011 14:49:30] <nate1> inconvenient
[29-Jul-2011 14:49:34] <Hackman238> nate1: Very
[29-Jul-2011 14:49:46] <nate1> is there an alternative way to approach this?
[29-Jul-2011 14:50:20] <Hackman238> nate1: Not a simple one
[29-Jul-2011 14:50:25] <nate1> hah
[29-Jul-2011 14:50:30] <nate1> well I waill take most any right now
[29-Jul-2011 14:50:50] <Hackman238> nate1: do a snmpget -c {your community} -v2c {your device ip} 1.3.6.1.2.1.31.1.1.1.6
[29-Jul-2011 14:52:53] <nate1> 6IF-MIB::ifHCInOctets = No Such Instance currently exists at this OID
[29-Jul-2011 14:56:44] <Hackman238> nate1: try taking off the .6
[29-Jul-2011 14:57:19] <nate1> ok
[29-Jul-2011 14:57:28] <nate1> ditt
[29-Jul-2011 14:58:27] <nate1> *ditto
[29-Jul-2011 14:59:06] <Hackman238> my mistake... snmpwalk -c {your community} -v2c {your device ip} 1.3.6.1.2.1.31.1.1.1.6
[29-Jul-2011 15:01:05] <nate1> ah
[29-Jul-2011 15:01:08] <nate1> that soundsn right
[29-Jul-2011 15:01:09] <nate1> snmpwalk
[29-Jul-2011 15:01:22] <nate1> hadnt heard of get
[29-Jul-2011 15:01:23] <nate1> :-p
[29-Jul-2011 15:01:24] <nate1> ok got a list
[29-Jul-2011 15:02:18] <Hackman238> nate1: okay, same command, oid 1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.2
[29-Jul-2011 15:02:53] <nate1> ok
[29-Jul-2011 15:02:54] <nate1> got more returns
[29-Jul-2011 15:02:56] <Hackman238> nate1: any of the results have the nsame of the virtual interface?
[29-Jul-2011 15:03:19] <nate1> let's see...
[29-Jul-2011 15:03:19] <Hackman238> nate1: if not, try .1.3.6.1.2.1.31.1.1.1.18
[29-Jul-2011 15:03:21] <nate1> I see one
[29-Jul-2011 15:03:27] <Hackman238> nate1: okay goodd
[29-Jul-2011 15:03:30] <nate1> IF-MIB::ifDescr.268436737 = STRING: X0:V5 (TimInterface)
[29-Jul-2011 15:03:36] <nate1> that is the one I am concerned about
[29-Jul-2011 15:03:55] <Hackman238> nate1: Thats a really bizarre ifindex
[29-Jul-2011 15:04:05] <Hackman238> try .1.3.6.1.2.1.31.1.1.1.18
[29-Jul-2011 15:04:07] <nate1> lheh
[29-Jul-2011 15:04:21] <nate1> ok
[29-Jul-2011 15:04:55] <nate1> hmm
[29-Jul-2011 15:05:00] <nate1> blank strings
[29-Jul-2011 15:05:05] <Hackman238> nate1: okay.
[29-Jul-2011 15:05:15] <nate1> the counter64 data from that first command for that ifindex is 0
[29-Jul-2011 15:05:35] <Hackman238> nate1: try 1.3.6.1.2.1.31.1.1.1.6.268436737
[29-Jul-2011 15:06:22] <nate1> IF-MIB::ifHCInOctets.268436737 = Counter64: 0
[29-Jul-2011 15:07:30] <Hackman238> nate1: Should there be traffic over that port?
[29-Jul-2011 15:07:48] <nate1> I believe
[29-Jul-2011 15:08:08] <Hackman238> nate1: Verify that port is passing traffic. if it is then this counter isnt getting updated
[29-Jul-2011 15:09:11] <nate1> well they acan download files
[29-Jul-2011 15:09:18] <nate1> and have internet acces through that interface
[29-Jul-2011 15:09:21] <nate1> so I imagine it is working
[29-Jul-2011 15:09:35] <Hackman238> nate1: gotcha. chances are its not implmented in snmp properly.
[29-Jul-2011 15:09:41] <Hackman238> nate1: I woudlnt be suprised
[29-Jul-2011 15:10:14] <nate1> hmmm
[29-Jul-2011 15:10:23] <nate1> i.e. there's nothing we can do about it at this time?
[29-Jul-2011 15:10:39] <nate1> also, could the traffic be showing up in the physical port instead of the virtual?
[29-Jul-2011 15:10:42] <Hackman238> nate1: I'd hit the net to see if anyone else has had the issue or figured a work around
[29-Jul-2011 15:10:55] <Hackman238> nate1: Its not uncommon for companies to botch snmp implementations
[29-Jul-2011 15:15:51] <nate1> hmmmm
[29-Jul-2011 15:16:02] <nate1> just check for snmp monitoring virtual interfaces for sonicwall?
[29-Jul-2011 15:17:50] <Hackman238> nate1: thats what I would look for
[29-Jul-2011 15:25:57] <Hackman238> nate1: Taking a look myself I'm tihnking you'll need to make a zenpack to handle sonicwalls
[29-Jul-2011 15:59:00] <JohnnyNOC> hey Hackman238
[29-Jul-2011 15:59:06] <JohnnyNOC> if we were cruising in a '64
[29-Jul-2011 15:59:09] <JohnnyNOC> what would we be listening to
[29-Jul-2011 16:00:00] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: A '64 what?
[29-Jul-2011 16:00:13] <JohnnyNOC> i believe they refer to a 64 chevy impala
[29-Jul-2011 16:01:09] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGjaWpCYm9w
[29-Jul-2011 16:01:19] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: But I'm pretty weird.
[29-Jul-2011 16:01:21] <Hackman238> LOL
[29-Jul-2011 16:01:37] <JohnnyNOC> what is this the German Green Day
[29-Jul-2011 16:01:39] <JohnnyNOC> ?
[29-Jul-2011 16:01:59] <JohnnyNOC> lead singer looks suspiciously like billy joe/joel whatever his name is
[29-Jul-2011 16:02:23] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: This is good too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX7ur4Ey5X4
[29-Jul-2011 16:05:15] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: LOL what do you think?
[29-Jul-2011 16:13:41] <JohnnyNOC> i like this better
[29-Jul-2011 16:13:46] <JohnnyNOC> better video too
[29-Jul-2011 16:15:06] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yeah LOL
[29-Jul-2011 16:15:41] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: jiveturkey, who sits right next to me, suggested a song named 'skeelo'
[29-Jul-2011 16:16:27] <JohnnyNOC> i don't know the song, but i know the artist
[29-Jul-2011 16:16:30] <JohnnyNOC> i wish i was a little bit taller
[29-Jul-2011 16:16:32] <JohnnyNOC> i wish i was a baller
[29-Jul-2011 16:16:33] <JohnnyNOC> etc.
[29-Jul-2011 16:16:52] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Thats it
[29-Jul-2011 16:17:45] <JohnnyNOC> i get the feeling you don't listen to that kind of music however
[29-Jul-2011 16:18:59] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Nope. He turned to me and said 'skeelo' and said the same bits you did of the song to me. I dont know it at all LOL
[29-Jul-2011 16:19:30] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I think the most mainstream band I listen to would be korn
[29-Jul-2011 16:19:49] <JohnnyNOC> what about Tool
[29-Jul-2011 16:21:02] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I dont know...the artist seems like a pansey
[29-Jul-2011 16:21:22] <JohnnyNOC> hahaha
[29-Jul-2011 16:21:24] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Also doesnt have the hardness and clarity I like.
[29-Jul-2011 16:21:27] <JohnnyNOC> i know some people who would stab you for that comment
[29-Jul-2011 16:21:35] <ljkite> ya dudes must be old
[29-Jul-2011 16:21:43] <ljkite> then again music these days suck
[29-Jul-2011 16:22:05] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Tell them good luck I carry a 4.9" skinning knife all times
[29-Jul-2011 16:22:07] <Hackman238>
[29-Jul-2011 16:22:20] <Hackman238> ljkite: 26
[29-Jul-2011 16:22:37] <JohnnyNOC> 33
[29-Jul-2011 16:22:52] <JohnnyNOC> would you like us to buy you some booze?
[29-Jul-2011 16:22:53] <JohnnyNOC>
[29-Jul-2011 16:23:09] <Hackman238> ljkite: How old?
[29-Jul-2011 16:23:18] <ljkite> 24
[29-Jul-2011 16:23:34] <Hackman238> ljkite: does my music selection seem old?
[29-Jul-2011 16:24:30] <Hackman238> I can't stand rap and hiphop...muddy, meaningless music that trashes speakers and has no complexity.
[29-Jul-2011 16:24:47] <JohnnyNOC> Rap? I hate rap.
[29-Jul-2011 16:24:55] <JohnnyNOC> well, not true.
[29-Jul-2011 16:25:15] <ljkite> korn feels old.. it only seemed popular when i was younger
[29-Jul-2011 16:25:37] <JohnnyNOC> i agree with that statement
[29-Jul-2011 16:25:42] <Hackman238> ljkite: Oh. Unheilig very good also
[29-Jul-2011 16:25:43] <ljkite> i think it's because i grew up in this hiphop techno shit since there are just a buttload of girls/whores there
[29-Jul-2011 16:26:09] <ljkite> i'm enjoying mumford and son type music these past few months
[29-Jul-2011 16:26:20] <ljkite> folk music lol
[29-Jul-2011 16:26:27] <Hackman238> Never did the party thing really. I discovered women can smell money so you just pick the one you want.
[29-Jul-2011 16:27:06] <ljkite> it's hard to get girls/flings when you're not out and about
[29-Jul-2011 16:27:13] <ljkite> and listening to the shit they like
[29-Jul-2011 16:27:32] <Hackman238> Na, plenty at colleges
[29-Jul-2011 16:27:34] <ljkite> but i'm in a relationship that'll hit 4 years next week
[29-Jul-2011 16:27:40] <Hackman238> ljkite: congrats
[29-Jul-2011 16:27:49] <Hackman238> ljkite: almost 7 yrs here
[29-Jul-2011 16:28:02] <Hackman238> ljkite: mine stays home and keeps my house clean
[29-Jul-2011 16:28:07] <ljkite> i did the frat thing in college and ended that shit when some drunk/coke out girl almost killed a bunch of people in my car lol
[29-Jul-2011 16:28:47] <JohnnyNOC> that has 0 to do with alcohol or drugs
[29-Jul-2011 16:28:53] <JohnnyNOC> everything to do with 'girl'
[29-Jul-2011 16:28:54] <JohnnyNOC>
[29-Jul-2011 16:29:04] <ljkite> whore's gonna whore
[29-Jul-2011 16:29:35] <Hackman238> Yikes
[29-Jul-2011 16:31:03] <ljkite> can someone please send me the transform that says if "pri int" goes down, ALL other alerts will be suppressed?
[29-Jul-2011 16:31:14] <ljkite> i'll send you guys a pix of my dog
[29-Jul-2011 16:31:21] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: How about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0URgffablc
[29-Jul-2011 16:31:39] <ljkite> this is throwing me off blogs/zenossblog/2009/05/28/tip-of-the-month-event-suppression#comment-1484
[29-Jul-2011 16:32:29] <Hackman238> ljkite: might not be easy since theres no way to know which int is the primary unless its consistant on every device in the network
[29-Jul-2011 16:33:01] <JohnnyNOC> what is with all this german shit?!
[29-Jul-2011 16:33:02] <ljkite> it's the gateway for the zenoss box
[29-Jul-2011 16:33:15] <ljkite> i named it "datacenter pri int"
[29-Jul-2011 16:33:22] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I'm German
[29-Jul-2011 16:33:26] <Hackman238> LOL
[29-Jul-2011 16:33:32] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 like, lived there?
[29-Jul-2011 16:33:36] <ljkite> i'm jewish no lol today
[29-Jul-2011 16:33:42] <JohnnyNOC> i mean, i'm part german too
[29-Jul-2011 16:34:02] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: 80% German, but US citizen
[29-Jul-2011 16:34:23] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Cannot move to Germany....Germany wants nothing to do with anyone who wasn't boren there.
[29-Jul-2011 16:34:30] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Same problem with France.
[29-Jul-2011 16:34:38] <ljkite> and america lol
[29-Jul-2011 16:34:50] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: America sucks...dont move here.
[29-Jul-2011 16:34:58] <JohnnyNOC> ok
[29-Jul-2011 16:35:00] <JohnnyNOC> i won't move out of Chicago
[29-Jul-2011 16:35:01] <JohnnyNOC>
[29-Jul-2011 16:35:03] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Its great for somethings, yes, but its...been a problem lately
[29-Jul-2011 16:35:46] <ljkite> http://i.imgur.com/apWDK.jpg
[29-Jul-2011 16:35:51] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Just not my first choice. I cant say I dont like it here. Dont intend to sound unpatriotic.
[29-Jul-2011 16:36:27] <Hackman238> ljkite: How about Infected Mushroom?
[29-Jul-2011 16:36:37] <JohnnyNOC> america's great
[29-Jul-2011 16:36:45] <JohnnyNOC> but our people and politicians suck
[29-Jul-2011 16:36:46] <JohnnyNOC> sigh
[29-Jul-2011 16:36:51] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Thats the problem.
[29-Jul-2011 16:37:07] <JohnnyNOC> it's part of the problem yes
[29-Jul-2011 16:37:07] <nexex> is there a way to change the default production states show when you view the infrastructure? either system wide or a user?
[29-Jul-2011 16:37:09] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: so many people in govt are corrupt.
[29-Jul-2011 16:37:14] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Im sick of it
[29-Jul-2011 16:37:18] <JohnnyNOC> yep, i agree
[29-Jul-2011 16:37:24] <JohnnyNOC> but don't expect that problem not to exist in .de or .fr
[29-Jul-2011 16:37:34] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC:Oh yeah, probs everywhere
[29-Jul-2011 16:37:37] <JohnnyNOC> my issue is the amount of control corporations have over our lives
[29-Jul-2011 16:37:42] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Unavoidable
[29-Jul-2011 16:37:43] <JohnnyNOC> corporations like ZENOSS INC!
[29-Jul-2011 16:37:47] <JohnnyNOC> just playing
[29-Jul-2011 16:37:57] <ljkite> it's a cycle.. corruption/revolution/prosperity/corruption/revolution/prosperity/corruption
[29-Jul-2011 16:38:01] <ljkite> guess where u.s. is
[29-Jul-2011 16:38:12] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: I say death penalty for any politician found corrupt and all public office is unpaid volunteer work
[29-Jul-2011 16:38:29] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 i agree
[29-Jul-2011 16:38:33] <JohnnyNOC> you have my vote
[29-Jul-2011 16:38:49] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Corrpution at the political or govt level is treason.
[29-Jul-2011 16:39:00] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: TY
[29-Jul-2011 16:39:20] <Hackman238> ljkite: Near revolution
[29-Jul-2011 16:39:27] <Hackman238> ljkite: I cant wait
[29-Jul-2011 16:39:46] <ljkite> it won't be fun for us but every other generation had to go through some huge ordeal
[29-Jul-2011 16:39:53] <ljkite> we've been lucky so far
[29-Jul-2011 16:40:27] <Hackman238> I'd like to be part of the revolution to see its new govt built with integrity and honesty
[29-Jul-2011 16:42:33] <ljkite> it's not going to happen... the integrity and honesty part
[29-Jul-2011 16:42:54] <ljkite> it's trivial and hopefully aliens come down and go 'wtf guys..seriously. we'll govern you dumb asses'
[29-Jul-2011 16:43:39] <Hackman238> ljkite: People cannot have the final say, it should be governed by non biased logical entity like a computer
[29-Jul-2011 16:44:09] <Hackman238> ljkite: People can be bought. Some with money, some with power, some with women. Everyone has some weakness
[29-Jul-2011 16:44:40] <ljkite> only common sense and integrity would turn this world around but that's not going to happen
[29-Jul-2011 16:45:12] <Hackman238> ljkite: Will have to or will be the end of us all
[29-Jul-2011 16:45:40] <ljkite> agree.. as pessimistic as i sound, i'm hoping for the best
[29-Jul-2011 16:45:48] <Hackman238> ljkite: One way or another there will be eventual peace- whether we figure to do it living or dead.
[29-Jul-2011 16:50:02] <JohnnyNOC> we have to destroy and rebuild
[29-Jul-2011 16:51:45] <ljkite> that's a lot of work.. hopefully i can enjoy the next 50 years w/o any crazy shit
[29-Jul-2011 16:52:23] <JohnnyNOC> i doubt it
[29-Jul-2011 16:52:23] <JohnnyNOC> :[
[29-Jul-2011 16:52:35] <ljkite> maybe i don't feel the depression as much as everyone else therefore i'm somewhat happy with what we have going on. you know, except for the debt and china about to jizz on us
[29-Jul-2011 16:53:01] <nyeates> id say same with me....i think tech hasnt felt it quite as hard
[29-Jul-2011 16:53:20] <Hackman238> China will attack us if their economy bombs
[29-Jul-2011 16:53:30] <JohnnyNOC> ^--- lol
[29-Jul-2011 16:53:31] <JohnnyNOC> yea right
[29-Jul-2011 16:53:33] <Hackman238> They have nothing to lose if they've lost their economy
[29-Jul-2011 16:53:54] <JohnnyNOC> that may be true but they aren't attacking us
[29-Jul-2011 16:53:59] <JohnnyNOC> not directly at least
[29-Jul-2011 16:54:18] <JohnnyNOC> they are so not militarily capable so to make up for it they're going to build a lot of missiles
[29-Jul-2011 16:54:28] <Hackman238> They have such a huge population and so many resources...they could out pace if they wanted
[29-Jul-2011 16:54:37] <JohnnyNOC> Hackman238 they want
[29-Jul-2011 16:54:38] <JohnnyNOC> and they can't
[29-Jul-2011 16:54:57] <JohnnyNOC> they don't have the technology or experience
[29-Jul-2011 16:55:23] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: They dont want...our debts and purchasing power fuels their growth
[29-Jul-2011 16:55:38] <JohnnyNOC> i mean, they do want to out pace
[29-Jul-2011 16:55:49] <JohnnyNOC> and you can see that by their heavy investment in the military
[29-Jul-2011 16:55:51] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: If we default and say 'no backsies' thats a differnt story
[29-Jul-2011 16:55:54] <ljkite> they will have their own revolution soon
[29-Jul-2011 16:55:55] <JohnnyNOC> they're just you know, 20 years behind
[29-Jul-2011 16:56:04] <ljkite> as their people get smarter, they'll want basic freedom
[29-Jul-2011 16:56:04] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: At least, yes
[29-Jul-2011 16:56:46] <ljkite> we buy a lot of our security equipment there... we buy everything from them since they are so fucking fast at building cameras and already outpaced us in security cams
[29-Jul-2011 16:56:54] <Hackman238> Many simultanious powder keg issues around the world.
[29-Jul-2011 16:57:45] <JohnnyNOC> that's why we buy more guns
[29-Jul-2011 16:58:22] <JohnnyNOC> and place them in strategic areas like right on top of the 2nd largest hydrocarbon reserves in the world (iraq)
[29-Jul-2011 16:58:25] <nyeates> I too think theyre ppl will eventually rebel.... I mean they already have - hello tienament square
[29-Jul-2011 16:58:38] <JohnnyNOC> only way china can beat us is if they can find a way to restrict our supply of oil
[29-Jul-2011 16:58:40] <JohnnyNOC> a la embargo
[29-Jul-2011 16:59:00] <JohnnyNOC> nyeates thats why they're all about growth
[29-Jul-2011 16:59:02] <JohnnyNOC> keep their people employed
[29-Jul-2011 16:59:17] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yeah oil another huge problem.
[29-Jul-2011 16:59:31] <JohnnyNOC> that's why we parked our shit in iraq
[29-Jul-2011 16:59:48] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Yep
[29-Jul-2011 16:59:48] <JohnnyNOC> just to make sure russia/iran/china don't have more influence than we do
[29-Jul-2011 16:59:51] <JohnnyNOC> for better or worse
[29-Jul-2011 16:59:52] <nyeates> but they will be pressured to give more rights to their residents....they just not better let any large % of their citizens get comparatively poor....if they do, those ppl will rebel
[29-Jul-2011 17:00:26] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Also access to iran, more reserves and in need of established base
[29-Jul-2011 17:00:54] <JohnnyNOC> i don't know about 'access' versus 'let's surround those motherfuckers'
[29-Jul-2011 17:01:04] <JohnnyNOC> i think we had access with our military bases in the mideast
[29-Jul-2011 17:01:17] <Hackman238> JohnnyNOC: Thats basically what I meant
[29-Jul-2011 17:01:17] <JohnnyNOC> Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, etc.
[29-Jul-2011 17:01:19] <Hackman238>
[29-Jul-2011 17:01:28] <JohnnyNOC>
[29-Jul-2011 17:01:34] <Hackman238> Have to run
[29-Jul-2011 17:01:37] <Hackman238> Later all!
[29-Jul-2011 17:01:38] <JohnnyNOC> i'm an army brat with a keen interest in this type of stuff
[29-Jul-2011 17:01:40] <JohnnyNOC> later Hackman238 !
[29-Jul-2011 17:02:00] <nyeates> screw oil man....why dont we place our RESOURCES (instead of guns) on science and engineers and universities to pump more of them out so that we can rule the next energy boom - alternative energy
[29-Jul-2011 17:02:21] <nyeates> alternative energy - solar or wind or nuclear or something totally new....will overtake oil....and i dont think its too far out in future
[29-Jul-2011 17:02:52] <nyeates> cya Shane
[29-Jul-2011 17:02:54] <Hackman238> nyeates: ^^^ Moving wave sub critical thermoelectric radioisotope power
[29-Jul-2011 17:03:12] <Hackman238> (article comming to my site on that design very soon ;))
[29-Jul-2011 17:04:35] <nyeates> more power to ya
[29-Jul-2011 17:04:37] <nyeates> haha.... get it
[29-Jul-2011 17:04:46] <JohnnyNOC> nyeates because we need oil now, and yesterday
[29-Jul-2011 17:05:02] <JohnnyNOC> and you can't make clothes, medicine, plastics, our of wind and solar
[29-Jul-2011 17:05:26] <nyeates> Johnny: Yeah yer right, we do need it now - but you are saying that we went to war in iraq for oil....that is the kind of move that you make to ensure oil access for 15+ years out into the future
[29-Jul-2011 17:05:39] <JohnnyNOC> yes
[29-Jul-2011 17:05:40] <JohnnyNOC> without a doubt
[29-Jul-2011 17:05:45] <JohnnyNOC> the Pentagon believes in Peak Oil
[29-Jul-2011 17:05:49] <nyeates> Johnny; good point abou the products
[29-Jul-2011 17:05:51] <JohnnyNOC> you'd want to be there too for the next 15+ years
[29-Jul-2011 17:07:42] <nyeates> I would rather pump Billions upon billions of dollars into inquiring and enriching key scientific and productive assets from around the world into developing and accelling the successor to the energy craving that the US has....yes we will need oil for products, but that is now where near the amounts needed for energy consumption
[29-Jul-2011 17:08:33] <JohnnyNOC> agreed
[29-Jul-2011 17:08:53] <JohnnyNOC> but in the meantime, we have to have the oil
[29-Jul-2011 17:09:01] <nyeates> wait....is it petroleum that is used in rubbers, etc?
[29-Jul-2011 17:09:05] <JohnnyNOC> the pentagon won't risk not having access to it as they are the #1 consumer of oil in the WORLD
[29-Jul-2011 17:09:08] <JohnnyNOC> yes
[29-Jul-2011 17:09:29] <JohnnyNOC> amazing the things you'll find have petroleum
[29-Jul-2011 17:09:41] <JohnnyNOC> or even those that don't, use it for transportation (food for example)
[29-Jul-2011 17:09:41] <nyeates> yeah its kinda sad
[29-Jul-2011 17:10:05] <nyeates> yet i help consume it
[29-Jul-2011 17:10:18] <JohnnyNOC> we all do
[29-Jul-2011 17:10:54] <JohnnyNOC> are you running for office?
[29-Jul-2011 17:10:57] <JohnnyNOC> nyeates + Hackman238 ?
[29-Jul-2011 17:11:06] <nyeates> in interseting cases, it can be a salable, affordable, yet slightly more expensive product that is more friendly = Trader Joes!
[29-Jul-2011 17:12:01] <JohnnyNOC> Trader Joe's Gasoline?
[29-Jul-2011 17:12:05] <nyeates> hellz no - im not running for any political position haha
[29-Jul-2011 17:12:05] <JohnnyNOC>
[29-Jul-2011 17:12:08] <nyeates> no i meant for foods
[29-Jul-2011 17:12:12] <JohnnyNOC> ah
[29-Jul-2011 17:12:31] <nyeates> they do everything green and use alt energies and recycle big time, etc
[29-Jul-2011 17:12:38] <JohnnyNOC> *nod*
[29-Jul-2011 17:12:41] <JohnnyNOC> similar to whole foods
[29-Jul-2011 17:12:45] <nyeates> yaeh
[29-Jul-2011 17:12:48] <JohnnyNOC> who not surprisingly are found to be not as green as they claim
[29-Jul-2011 17:12:51] <JohnnyNOC> its marketing
[29-Jul-2011 17:12:54] <JohnnyNOC> just like 'do no evil'
[29-Jul-2011 17:12:58] <nyeates> haha could be
[29-Jul-2011 17:18:06] <nyeates> JohnnyNOC, or otheres: if given the choice what would you choose:
[29-Jul-2011 17:18:50] <nyeates> 1) new core 3.2 release sooner without a big feature 2) release later with big feature
[29-Jul-2011 17:19:03] <nyeates> if 1, feature would come at a later pint
[29-Jul-2011 17:19:04] <nyeates> point
[29-Jul-2011 17:19:41] <nyeates> If it came with a pint, that would be cool too!
[29-Jul-2011 17:25:50] <JohnnyNOC> haha
[29-Jul-2011 17:26:06] <JohnnyNOC> considering i'm just about to install a 3.1.0 install i'd say release later
[29-Jul-2011 17:26:21] <JohnnyNOC> but i don't know any of the specifics
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[31-Jul-2011 01:03:10] <kschroeder> Hello everyone.
[31-Jul-2011 01:03:24] <kschroeder> I have a quick question that I cannot seem to find an answer to.
[31-Jul-2011 01:04:08] <kschroeder> Does anyone know if it is possible to edit a sub-location? Specifically, the Name of of.
[31-Jul-2011 01:04:41] <kschroeder> *it
[31-Jul-2011 04:19:32] <naron> hi all
[31-Jul-2011 04:20:16] <naron> im trying out zenoss for 2 months now
[31-Jul-2011 04:24:36] <naron> i have few switches and router , some cisco some juniper
[31-Jul-2011 04:24:48] <naron> they are all working fine
[31-Jul-2011 04:26:04] <naron> but i have LANTRONIX terminal server which i cannot monitor using zenoss , i have moxa terminal server ,its showing me all the ports the serial ports as well
[31-Jul-2011 04:26:24] <naron> am i doing something wrong
[31-Jul-2011 04:26:35] <naron> i have loaded the apropriate mibs
[31-Jul-2011 04:27:06] <naron> im new to IRC , is this the way to ask questions or else i should do something else
[31-Jul-2011 07:03:31] <Rickson-> how do i make a custom report of a certian group, defined by me?
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[31-Jul-2011 14:05:14] <daveloper> hia all
[31-Jul-2011 14:05:42] <daveloper> I'm trying to monitor a linux server, but I can't see the components menu...
[31-Jul-2011 14:05:55] <daveloper> what I've to install or do ?
[31-Jul-2011 15:50:56] <Rickson-> someone good at report/query stuff here?
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