[01-Aug-2010 02:32:25] <mota> So in the umbus.res.rr.com] has joined #zenoss
[01-Aug-2010 02:32:40] <mota> sorry, bah, paste fail, let me try again
[01-Aug-2010 02:33:15] <mota> in the /Events /Win /evtsys there is a mapping whose regex consists entirely of this: ^[^-]+
[01-Aug-2010 02:33:39] <mota> I suck at regex, is this basically a way of matching everything?
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[01-Aug-2010 07:33:09] <mota> Alright, so I want to create an event transform in the /perf/snmp class. I want it to match all events but then in the transform section I will use an if-then clause.
[01-Aug-2010 07:34:01] <mota> and I'm failing. I tried a simple .* regex and still my transform isn't applied to anything.
[01-Aug-2010 07:36:15] <mota> here's a screenshot. What am I missing? http://i.imagehost.org/0839/zenoss-basic-transform.png
[01-Aug-2010 08:35:01] <mota> ok, nevermind above question, I found that I need to applly the transform to the class itself, rather than creating a mapping within the class.
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[01-Aug-2010 19:14:46] <mducharme> evening
[01-Aug-2010 19:14:50] <mducharme> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem
[01-Aug-2010 19:14:55] <mducharme> there are some devices which model just fine
[01-Aug-2010 19:15:07] <mducharme> but they say snmp agent down
[01-Aug-2010 19:15:17] <mducharme> consistently
[01-Aug-2010 19:15:28] <mducharme> yet they model just fine, so they are obviously communicating with SNMP
[01-Aug-2010 19:20:23] LarsN_Away is now known as LarsN
[01-Aug-2010 19:22:29] <mducharme> so, I'm wondering what can cause an "SNMP agent down" event, if the device models just fine
[01-Aug-2010 20:29:38] <mota> is anyone aware of a good online reference for the properties and methods of events?
[01-Aug-2010 20:34:41] <mducharme> mota there is just the API docs really
[01-Aug-2010 20:35:58] <mota> uh, you mean this? community/documentation/official_documentation/zenoss-dev-guide
[01-Aug-2010 20:37:47] <mducharme> no...
[01-Aug-2010 20:38:25] <mducharme> community/documentation/official_documentation/api
[01-Aug-2010 20:39:07] <mducharme> unfortunately it's not the easiest thing to follow but it is quite complete
[01-Aug-2010 20:41:46] <mota> the events section says little about the members, properties, and methods of the event class
[01-Aug-2010 20:42:36] <mota> there are some examples showing their use in on the 'transforms' wiki page, but those examples merely show some of the properties; they are not complete list
[01-Aug-2010 20:48:42] <mota> well, this is sme help, I guess: docs/DOC-3769
[01-Aug-2010 20:51:48] <mducharme> the API documentation has everything to my knowledge
[01-Aug-2010 20:56:11] <mota> I'll have a look as son as it finishes itsinterminable unzip process, thanks
[01-Aug-2010 20:56:16] <mota> s/son/soon
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[02-Aug-2010 00:15:09] <mota> mducharme: well you're right, those dev docs are a bear to navigate
[02-Aug-2010 02:31:12] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[02-Aug-2010 02:52:34] <mota> So, for a couple days now I've seen a come-and-go situation where the dsahboard shows one or more orange warning events. But they are not visible in the event console. And I have no filters on the event console; all event types are checked.
[02-Aug-2010 04:52:04] <Tadik> hi all
[02-Aug-2010 04:53:05] <Tadik> any body know how can i clean all networks and descovered devices from zenos?
[02-Aug-2010 04:53:26] <Tadik> i trying to delete all devices but its can't
[02-Aug-2010 04:56:20] <Tadik> any body here?:)
[02-Aug-2010 04:57:33] <Simon4> Tadik: you could do it using a small zendmd script
[02-Aug-2010 04:57:57] <Simon4> when you say "discovered devices" do you mean "all devices under /Discovered" ?
[02-Aug-2010 05:03:52] <Tadik> Simon4,yes "all descovered devices"
[02-Aug-2010 05:04:04] <Simon4> okay, give me 5 min
[02-Aug-2010 05:04:37] <Tadik> i am afk 5 minutes
[02-Aug-2010 05:16:35] <Simon4> hokay
[02-Aug-2010 05:16:35] <Simon4> http://pastie.org/1070775
[02-Aug-2010 05:16:47] <Simon4> stick that in a text file then as the zenoss user run zendmd <filename
[02-Aug-2010 05:16:58] <Simon4> it'll delete all devices under /Discovered
[02-Aug-2010 05:22:34] <Tadik> Simon4,zendmd in ssh?
[02-Aug-2010 05:25:15] <Tadik> Simon4,zendmd command not found
[02-Aug-2010 05:25:32] <Tadik> Simon4,i am under ubuntu server
[02-Aug-2010 06:17:52] <Simon4> Tadik: yeah, ssh to the box as root, run su - zenoss to become the zenoss user, then run it
[02-Aug-2010 06:23:00] <Tadik> ok,try it now
[02-Aug-2010 06:36:07] <Tadik> hmmm,its gave me some error,but now i think the "descovered devices" is empty
[02-Aug-2010 06:36:16] <Tadik> or its not loaded yet:)))))
[02-Aug-2010 06:36:24] <Tadik> was there 2600 devices:))
[02-Aug-2010 06:36:44] <Simon4> heh
[02-Aug-2010 06:36:50] <Simon4> yeah, that would hurt through the gui
[02-Aug-2010 06:39:31] <Tadik> its loaded,all devices backed:(
[02-Aug-2010 06:39:45] <Simon4> can you paste the error message you got?
[02-Aug-2010 06:40:57] <Tadik> mmm,i am in another pc,ok,i will try to connect from here
[02-Aug-2010 06:46:21] <Tadik> its stuck's here:
[02-Aug-2010 06:46:23] <Tadik> zenoss@OFKNT008:~$ zendmd </home/ofkadmin/zenfile Welcome to the Zenoss dmd command shell! 'dmd' is bound to the DataRoot. 'zhelp()' to get a list of commands. Use TAB-TAB to see a list of zendmd related commands. Tab completion also works for objects -- hit tab after an object name and '.' (eg dmd. + tab-key).
[02-Aug-2010 06:46:42] <Simon4> to remove 2500 devices it'll take a fair while
[02-Aug-2010 06:46:58] <Tadik> ok,here i need to wait u mean?
[02-Aug-2010 06:47:12] <Simon4> if yo uwant to see what's going on, ctrl-c out of that and I'll give you something with a bit more debugging info
[02-Aug-2010 06:47:18] <Simon4> I didn't realise you had quite so many devs ;)
[02-Aug-2010 06:48:11] <Tadik> ok:)
[02-Aug-2010 06:48:33] <Tadik> ^C2010-08-02 16:44:12 ERROR ZODB.Connection Couldn't load state for 0x0147f3 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/zenoss/python/lib/python2.6/site-packages/ZODB3-3.9.3-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg/ZODB/Connection.py", line 834, in setstate self._setstate(obj) File "/usr/local/zenoss/python/lib/python2.6/site-packages/ZODB3-3.9.3-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg/ZODB/Connection.py", line 902, in _setstate self._reader.setGhostSt
[02-Aug-2010 06:48:57] <Simon4> http://pastie.org/1070870
[02-Aug-2010 06:49:10] <Simon4> that'll print a line for each device it removes, and commit changes after each device, not just at the end
[02-Aug-2010 06:49:39] <Tadik> add this to file?
[02-Aug-2010 06:49:44] <Tadik> i mean instead
[02-Aug-2010 06:49:47] <Tadik> right?
[02-Aug-2010 06:52:19] <Tadik> ok,now its stucks here:
[02-Aug-2010 06:52:21] <Tadik> Welcome to the Zenoss dmd command shell! 'dmd' is bound to the DataRoot. 'zhelp()' to get a list of commands. Use TAB-TAB to see a list of zendmd related commands. Tab completion also works for objects -- hit tab after an object name and '.' (eg dmd. + tab-key). >>> ... ... ... ... zenoss@OFKNT008:~$
[02-Aug-2010 06:59:10] <Tadik> maybe in nano its not copy/paste well?
[02-Aug-2010 07:47:53] <Simon4> Tadik: sorry, was afk
[02-Aug-2010 07:48:06] <Tadik> its ok:)
[02-Aug-2010 07:48:46] <Simon4> so when you run it does it print any server names?
[02-Aug-2010 07:48:53] <Tadik> i have 10 minutes,its end of my work day:)
[02-Aug-2010 07:49:30] <Simon4> and you replace your original file with the second thing I pasted
[02-Aug-2010 07:49:43] <Tadik> yesa
[02-Aug-2010 07:52:36] <Simon4> so what happens when you run it?
[02-Aug-2010 07:52:51] <Tadik> Welcome to the Zenoss dmd command shell! 'dmd' is bound to the DataRoot. 'zhelp()' to get a list of commands. Use TAB-TAB to see a list of zendmd related commands. Tab completion also works for objects -- hit tab after an object name and '.' (eg dmd. + tab-key). >>> ... ... ... ... zenoss@OFKNT008:~$
[02-Aug-2010 07:53:04] <Simon4> hmm, so it exits immediately?
[02-Aug-2010 07:53:06] <Tadik> and here its stoped
[02-Aug-2010 07:53:20] <Simon4> I presume there are still devices under /Devices/Discovered ?
[02-Aug-2010 07:53:20] <Tadik> after mmmm 30-40 seconds
[02-Aug-2010 07:53:37] <Tadik> yes,all devises still there:(
[02-Aug-2010 07:53:42] <Simon4> can you paste the script you have into pastie so I can just quickly check that it's pasted okay?
[02-Aug-2010 07:54:07] <Tadik> for dev in dmd.Devices.Discovered.devices(): print "Removing device %s" % dev.id dev.deleteDevice() commit()
[02-Aug-2010 07:54:28] <Tadik> for dev in dmd.Devices.Discovered.devices():
[02-Aug-2010 07:54:35] <Simon4> and it's all indented correctly as per http://pastie.org/1070870 ?
[02-Aug-2010 07:54:36] <Tadik> print "Removing device %s" % dev.id
[02-Aug-2010 07:54:38] <Simon4> the indentation is important
[02-Aug-2010 07:55:09] <Tadik> yes,i downloaded the file from pstie
[02-Aug-2010 07:55:15] <Tadik> pastie*
[02-Aug-2010 07:55:29] <Tadik> and the copy/pasted to nano from ssh
[02-Aug-2010 07:56:08] <Simon4> so if you type "cat filename" (substitute filename for your script file name) it looks okay?
[02-Aug-2010 07:57:16] <Tadik> yes its looks ok
[02-Aug-2010 07:57:24] <Tadik> cheked it now
[02-Aug-2010 08:03:09] <Tadik> ok,i need to go,we will continie tomorrow if u will be here:)
[02-Aug-2010 08:03:16] <Tadik> thx a lot:)
[02-Aug-2010 08:37:27] <frozty_sa> wow
[02-Aug-2010 08:37:42] <frozty_sa> the interface on v3 feels a lot more snappy compared to 2.5.x
[02-Aug-2010 08:37:46] <frozty_sa> even in Fx
[02-Aug-2010 08:47:57] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[02-Aug-2010 09:04:11] <chachan> good morning people
[02-Aug-2010 09:22:09] <ashp_> dear zenoss, please release 3.0 enterprise now
[02-Aug-2010 09:22:17] <ashp_> because i'm stuck at home, with an angry toddler, and i REALLY need a distraction
[02-Aug-2010 09:30:53] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[02-Aug-2010 09:33:54] <LarsN> Is there an easy way to make auto-discovered devices start out in state pre-production?
[02-Aug-2010 09:40:26] <aljosa> how can i check if ssh connection to device/server is working properly with ssh keys?
[02-Aug-2010 09:52:18] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[02-Aug-2010 09:53:47] <xfader96> hi all, i am having a problem with ip service names in zenoss 3.0.0
[02-Aug-2010 09:55:16] <xfader96> I have changed a few service names e.g tcp_07727 to "HTTP Listener" however when the port goes down the dashboard and alert email shows tcp_07727 is down not the name i have assigned. Where am i going wrong?
[02-Aug-2010 10:01:15] <forsberg> i wouldnt change the existing ones, but just create new ones
[02-Aug-2010 10:03:59] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[02-Aug-2010 10:06:30] <xfader96> i will try that, can you tell me what the service keys field is for?, is it some sort of mapping?
[02-Aug-2010 10:10:34] mray is now known as mrayzenoss
[02-Aug-2010 10:10:38] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[02-Aug-2010 10:13:27] <nickanderson> Hello
[02-Aug-2010 10:14:01] <xfader96> i have created a new ip service, name = "Live_HTTP_Listener", description ="HTTP Listener", port = 7727. when i add it to a server it still shows up as tcp_07727?
[02-Aug-2010 10:18:01] <nickanderson> Im having issues with the check_snmp command when trying to use ""
[02-Aug-2010 10:20:42] <sciolist> nickanderson: more description would be helpful fo rthose that weren't here for your first request
[02-Aug-2010 10:21:02] <nickanderson> Yeah, I am collecting it
[02-Aug-2010 10:21:04] <nickanderson> :)
[02-Aug-2010 10:21:09] <sciolist> ah
[02-Aug-2010 10:21:12] <nickanderson> Ok
[02-Aug-2010 10:21:16] <nickanderson> so this works
[02-Aug-2010 10:21:24] <nickanderson> /usr/local/zenoss/common/bin/snmpget -t 1 -r 5 -v 2c -c public 192.168.5.1:161 'NET-SNMP-EXTEND-MIB::nsExtendResult."echotest"'
[02-Aug-2010 10:21:40] <forsberg> xfader maybe the changes havent pushed out yet etc... maybe try to restart zenoss etc
[02-Aug-2010 10:22:16] <nickanderson> but this does not ./check_snmp -P 2c -H 192.168.5.1 -C public -o NET-SNMP-EXTEND-MIB::nsExtendResult."nickanderson" nor does any combination of escaping or extra quoting on the oid
[02-Aug-2010 10:22:28] <forsberg> but i cant really remember how i did it, i will try later to test it
[02-Aug-2010 10:22:28] <nickanderson> I either get no data recieved from host, or cannot open pipe
[02-Aug-2010 10:22:48] <nickanderson> The cannot open pipe has led me to a bug that was filed against check_snmp in 2008
[02-Aug-2010 10:23:03] <nickanderson> where it does not accept " characters
[02-Aug-2010 10:23:44] <sciolist> hmm, is ther still development going on for the check_snmp binary?
[02-Aug-2010 10:23:47] <nickanderson> So wondering if this is that bug from an old version of check_snmp or if anyone is successfully using " chars with check_snmp
[02-Aug-2010 10:23:58] <nickanderson> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=397597&aid=1985230&group_id=29880
[02-Aug-2010 10:24:04] <nickanderson> in 2009
[02-Aug-2010 10:24:09] <mray> sciolist: I believe that's just from the Nagios plugins
[02-Aug-2010 10:24:10] <nickanderson> someone applied a patch to git
[02-Aug-2010 10:24:36] <nickanderson> It is, but as it was installed with the stack installer im thinking its probably something that needs updated
[02-Aug-2010 10:24:37] <sciolist> mray: yeah, I was just wondering which version he was running
[02-Aug-2010 10:24:46] <nickanderson> jsut upgraded to 3.0
[02-Aug-2010 10:24:58] <nickanderson> over the weekend
[02-Aug-2010 10:24:59] <sciolist> version of the check_snmp plugin, sorry
[02-Aug-2010 10:25:02] <nickanderson> oh
[02-Aug-2010 10:25:25] <nickanderson> check_snmp v2021 (nagios-plugins 1.4.13)
[02-Aug-2010 10:25:29] <mray> 1.4.13 is the version in 3.0
[02-Aug-2010 10:25:55] <mray> looks like we have a patch for it http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/browser/branches/zenoss-3.0.x/inst/externallibs
[02-Aug-2010 10:25:58] <aljosa> how can i check if ssh connection to device/server is working properly with ssh keys and how can i tell zenoss to collect device data on-demend (by clicking something in admin or by executing shell command)?
[02-Aug-2010 10:26:39] <mray> aljosa: you can use the 'Test' function with command data sources
[02-Aug-2010 10:27:18] <mray> the 'zenoss' user will use whatever ssh keys are specified for the user and device specified
[02-Aug-2010 10:34:15] <aljosa> mray: i'm new to zenoss and don't know what that means. could you point me to docs for 'Test' function?
[02-Aug-2010 10:37:54] LarsN is now known as LarsN_Away
[02-Aug-2010 10:38:54] <mray> aljosa: if you've got a the zCommandUsername and zKeyPath set for the device or device class, that's how they'll get picked up
[02-Aug-2010 10:39:50] <mray> aljosa: the 'zenoss' user needs access to the zKeyPath
[02-Aug-2010 10:40:01] <mray> so something like "~/.ssh/device.key"
[02-Aug-2010 10:40:05] <aljosa> mray: i did setup that and i think it's correct but now i need to tell zenoss to try connecting/collecting data again and i can't find any docs how to do that
[02-Aug-2010 10:40:32] <mray> aljosa: if the device is in a device class that uses SSH, you can test it by modeling the device
[02-Aug-2010 10:46:41] <aljosa> mray: i do use /Server/SSH template but i don't know howto re-model device. i'm currently looking at Devices > mydevice > Overview
[02-Aug-2010 10:47:24] <aljosa> i'm reading docs/DOC-5967 but can't find what to do to remodel device, only howto add a device
[02-Aug-2010 10:49:39] <nickanderson> thread/14107 there I put it to the forums inase someone smarter can come up with an answer
[02-Aug-2010 10:50:22] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[02-Aug-2010 10:52:44] <mray> aljosa: go to the device in question, click on the gear icon and select "Model Device.."
[02-Aug-2010 10:54:24] <aljosa> mray: thanks, is it normal to get a popup and that nothing is happening in that popup? how long does it usually take to remodel device?
[02-Aug-2010 10:54:44] <aljosa> mray: also, thanks a lot for your time and helping me
[02-Aug-2010 10:55:13] <mray> aljosa: which browser are you using? There's a known bug with Safari and Chrome
[02-Aug-2010 10:55:31] <aljosa> mray: chrome, i'll switch to firefox
[02-Aug-2010 10:55:49] <mray> yeah, the streaming stuff is broken with webkit browsers
[02-Aug-2010 10:56:47] <mray> may be fixed in 3.0.1
[02-Aug-2010 10:57:03] <aljosa> it's working in firefox
[02-Aug-2010 10:58:41] <aljosa> although i didn't get any info if ssh worked, only this http://dpaste.com/224259/
[02-Aug-2010 11:01:11] <mray> what device class is that host in?
[02-Aug-2010 11:02:47] <aljosa> is device class "Monitoring Templates > Device"? that's /Server/SSH
[02-Aug-2010 11:04:39] <aljosa> mray: i'm trying to connect directly as zenoss user to check if everything is ok but i'm getting "ssh-add: /usr/local/zenoss/common/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8: no version information available (required by ssh-add)". is this some kind of a bug?
[02-Aug-2010 11:05:30] <mray> looks like /Server/SSH is just a placeholder for subclasses
[02-Aug-2010 11:05:38] <mray> is this a Linux box?
[02-Aug-2010 11:05:50] <mray> do you have the Linux Monitor ZenPack installed?
[02-Aug-2010 11:07:23] <aljosa> it's ubuntu/lucid. zenoss installed via "apt-get install zenoss-stack" from zenoss repository
[02-Aug-2010 11:08:33] <mray> aljosa: install this ZenPack: docs/DOC-3435
[02-Aug-2010 11:08:40] <mray> then restart zenoss
[02-Aug-2010 11:08:51] <mray> then move the device to the /Server/SSH/Linux device class and remodel
[02-Aug-2010 11:14:57] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[02-Aug-2010 11:18:16] <aljosa> mray: can't install it, i'm getting this http://dpaste.com/224269/ , any idea why?
[02-Aug-2010 11:18:42] <mray> you need to unzip the file
[02-Aug-2010 11:21:06] <aljosa> mray: it's working now, thanks a lot
[02-Aug-2010 11:29:34] <chachan> rmatte, are you there?
[02-Aug-2010 11:31:43] <chachan> rmatte, Let me know when you there, I have news about dmd usage ;)
[02-Aug-2010 11:34:02] <QubeZ> hello all
[02-Aug-2010 11:34:15] <QubeZ> anyone tried the somewhat old ssl cert expiry zenpack with 3.0?
[02-Aug-2010 11:52:30] LarsN_Away is now known as LarsN
[02-Aug-2010 11:56:25] <Jane_Curry> Hiya!
[02-Aug-2010 11:56:58] <Jane_Curry> I have created a new device hierarchy with new object classes for each of
[02-Aug-2010 11:57:11] <aljosa> i'm using zenoss v3 and would like to install postgres zenpack (docs/DOC-3389) but this zenpack is for py2.4. will it still work with zenoss v3/py2.6?
[02-Aug-2010 11:57:24] <Jane_Curry> I can create objects of these classes fine...
[02-Aug-2010 11:57:50] <Jane_Curry> but I don't seem to be able to copy any of the existing performance templates to my new device classes -
[02-Aug-2010 11:58:06] <LarsN> I have a couple Zenoss 3 questions. but Jane_Curry just asked one of them :)
[02-Aug-2010 11:58:11] <Jane_Curry> they simply don't show in the device drop-down list after I have selected a template to copy
[02-Aug-2010 11:58:21] <Jane_Curry> Any thoughts????
[02-Aug-2010 11:58:35] <LarsN> first question is, how do i set up auto-discovery to put discovered devices in state pre-production
[02-Aug-2010 11:58:39] <LarsN> the second question is:
[02-Aug-2010 11:59:15] <LarsN> How do I copy an existing performance template (ie: /server/linux) to say... (/server/somethingelse)
[02-Aug-2010 11:59:28] <LarsN> Jane_Curry: re: that last question
[02-Aug-2010 11:59:41] <LarsN> I have been successful doing it via the Zope Management Interface
[02-Aug-2010 11:59:52] <LarsN> but I suspect that's not the preferred method, which is why I'm here asking :)
[02-Aug-2010 12:07:06] <Jane_Curry> LarsN: re (1), have you tried using zendisc command line?
[02-Aug-2010 12:07:25] <Jane_Curry> Use zendisc help for full usage (no hyphens!)
[02-Aug-2010 12:09:15] <Jane_Curry> something like zendisc --net=10.1.2.0/24 --prod_state=500
[02-Aug-2010 12:09:18] <Jane_Curry> might work
[02-Aug-2010 12:25:57] <LarsN> Jane_Curry: trying that now. thanks for the tip
[02-Aug-2010 12:47:02] <LarsN> in Zenoss 2.x If I went to a device class, like /server/router I had the option at the class level to click a templates tab, and add/remove templates for that entire class of devices. As well as create a local copy of any template that was inherited above.
[02-Aug-2010 12:47:11] <LarsN> in Zenoss 3.0 how do I accomplish these tasks?
[02-Aug-2010 12:53:40] <twm1010> look at the little gear in the templates view
[02-Aug-2010 12:57:32] <mray> LarsN: Jane_Curry: Advanced->Monitoring Templates, select a template you want to copy, choose the gear icon and "Override Template"
[02-Aug-2010 12:57:59] <mray> there's a ticket for 3.0.2 to add another view to this screen, so you can get the list of templates for a device
[02-Aug-2010 12:59:31] <mray> right now it's a list of templates, and which device classes override them, we want to have the list of device classes and which templates they use as well
[02-Aug-2010 13:03:25] <LarsN> mray: perfect, thank you!!!
[02-Aug-2010 13:04:20] <QubeZ> someone said to install zenpacks intended for 2.5 into 3.0, just rename the py-2.4 to py-2.6. Is this correct?
[02-Aug-2010 13:04:45] <QubeZ> I tried to install py-2.4 zenpack via web interface and it appears to go through then gets back to the zenpack screen without it being listed
[02-Aug-2010 13:05:38] <mray> QubeZ: if you drop the "py2.4" from the filename, many simple ZenPacks will still work
[02-Aug-2010 13:05:43] <mray> don't change it to py2.6
[02-Aug-2010 13:06:10] <mray> I've had success with about 10 zenpacks that way
[02-Aug-2010 13:06:26] <QubeZ> mray: thanks, want to test out this ssl expiry zenpack so badly :)
[02-Aug-2010 13:08:00] <QubeZ> hmm, nothing. no listing.
[02-Aug-2010 13:11:54] <mray> nothing at all?
[02-Aug-2010 13:12:00] <mray> did you restart zopectl?
[02-Aug-2010 13:12:18] <QubeZ> mray: i haven't, forgot about that
[02-Aug-2010 13:13:18] <QubeZ> is there a reason zopectl doesn't auto restart upon installation of a zenpack?
[02-Aug-2010 13:13:22] <QubeZ> via the web interface that is
[02-Aug-2010 13:13:45] <QubeZ> ok, restarted zopectl and still not in the listing.
[02-Aug-2010 13:14:05] <mray> it's not restarted because it'll kick you out of the UI
[02-Aug-2010 13:14:11] <mray> which some people don't like :)
[02-Aug-2010 13:14:46] <QubeZ> mray: ahh
[02-Aug-2010 13:15:15] <QubeZ> looks through all logs and no zenpack installation even logged. I'll just wait for more zenpacks for 3.0.
[02-Aug-2010 13:15:28] <QubeZ> is there a specific page for 3.0 zenpacks or are they intermixed on the community site?
[02-Aug-2010 13:15:36] <mray> I'm trying to get to rebuilding all the Community zenpacks
[02-Aug-2010 13:15:43] <QubeZ> and hopefully there is a fix for the interface graphs issue soon
[02-Aug-2010 13:15:49] <mray> I'll be updating the zenpacks page to list those that are tested with 3.0
[02-Aug-2010 13:15:55] <QubeZ> mray: thanks
[02-Aug-2010 13:16:04] <QubeZ> 3.0 does rock, love the interface
[02-Aug-2010 13:16:59] <mray> glad to hear it, we still have work to do :)
[02-Aug-2010 13:22:28] <LarsN> mray: can I thank you now?
[02-Aug-2010 13:22:47] <LarsN> mray: you've so far been the name behind each zenpack in python 2.6 i've needed.
[02-Aug-2010 13:23:11] <LarsN> opensolaris isn't ported yet, but I'm sure it'll get there. :)
[02-Aug-2010 13:23:14] <mray> I'm just the coordinator of other people's work
[02-Aug-2010 13:23:33] <mray> or perhaps the roadblock
[02-Aug-2010 13:23:49] <LarsN> also, is there a dedicated guide to building zenpacks?
[02-Aug-2010 13:24:10] <mray> LarsN: depends what you're trying to do
[02-Aug-2010 13:24:18] <mray> you can do simple template-based zenpacks in the UI
[02-Aug-2010 13:24:21] <mray> that's in the Admin guide
[02-Aug-2010 13:24:28] <LarsN> we wrote a quick mail handling script to monitor our ZFS replication processes. And if it prooves to be useful, It might be worth packing up and sending upstream.
[02-Aug-2010 13:24:31] <mray> the Developer's Guide has some stuff about custom modelers
[02-Aug-2010 13:24:53] <mray> LarsN: community/developers/zenpack_development has links to most of what's available
[02-Aug-2010 13:25:14] <LarsN> right now the replication master sends mail to zenoss if it fails. but we could likely make it better, and useful for people other than us.
[02-Aug-2010 13:25:17] <LarsN> thanks.
[02-Aug-2010 13:25:55] <LarsN> bookmarked. once I get us moved 100% to the new Zenoss 3.0 server I'll look into that.
[02-Aug-2010 13:26:13] <mray> LarsN: don't forget about the Summer of ZenPacks contest: blogs/zenossblog/2010/07/27/2010-summer-of-community-zenpacks-contest
[02-Aug-2010 13:26:39] <LarsN> not being a developer myself I doubt I'd stand a chance at winning any contests :)
[02-Aug-2010 13:26:55] <LarsN> I know just enough scripting languages to really bork up a system :)
[02-Aug-2010 13:27:03] <mray> we also give out 4 prizes to random entries, so everyone who enters could win :)
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[02-Aug-2010 13:32:42] <LarsN> I did find one other fairly annoying UI change. in 3.0.0
[02-Aug-2010 13:32:56] <LarsN> I haven't checked 3.0.1 yet. but whe you're on a device, that has an active alert.
[02-Aug-2010 13:33:30] <LarsN> clicking on the orange icon, takes you to the "all events" page. Which would be fine if it also applied a filter for the device I was on at the time I clicked, but it doesn't.
[02-Aug-2010 13:33:54] <LarsN> Zenoss 2.x took you to events specific to the device you were looking at, which I think made more sense.
[02-Aug-2010 13:40:29] <QubeZ> is the delay in alerts as such that if the event clears during the delay period, no email will be sent?
[02-Aug-2010 13:45:04] <mray> yes
[02-Aug-2010 13:45:39] <mray> LarsN: yeah, that sucks
[02-Aug-2010 13:46:07] <mray> LarsN: if you click on Events you'll get the device-specific list
[02-Aug-2010 13:46:11] <QubeZ> mray: i have a 300 sec delay on warnings yet a warning email was just triggered then the clear message came 2 mins after that
[02-Aug-2010 13:46:40] <mray> that's odd
[02-Aug-2010 13:47:40] <QubeZ> maybe the first email triggered because the event was active for 5+ minutes... but not sure how to check that
[02-Aug-2010 13:47:50] <QubeZ> if I go to event history and check when it was first seen maybe?
[02-Aug-2010 13:48:12] <mray> QubeZ: yeah, the event should have the First Time field
[02-Aug-2010 13:48:18] <mray> and the log will have when it got sent to history
[02-Aug-2010 13:48:47] <QubeZ> mray: ok im dumb, i see a 3.5 minute span for that event between first seen and last seen, so thats why it was triggered
[02-Aug-2010 13:49:15] <QubeZ> i upped the time to 10 minutes, the warnings on our network are usually benign. Starting to get this place "self-healing"
[02-Aug-2010 13:49:35] <QubeZ> Zenoss gives us a great way to find out the most problematic services/servers and put in fixes... love this thing
[02-Aug-2010 13:49:51] <LarsN> QubeZ: I agree in general :)
[02-Aug-2010 13:50:06] <LarsN> QubeZ: "Monitor" and more importantly "Graph" Everything!
[02-Aug-2010 13:50:24] <LarsN> the latter is where zenoss slaughters nagios.
[02-Aug-2010 13:50:35] <QubeZ> i need to learn how to use transforms and commands so I can execute scripts based on events that occur
[02-Aug-2010 13:50:53] <QubeZ> documentation on such things is sparse... i see bits here and there but nothing concrete that is easy to follow
[02-Aug-2010 13:51:55] <LarsN> mray: upgrading / patching from 3.0.0 to 3.0.1. What does Zenoss call that process, and which of the manuals describe the process?
[02-Aug-2010 13:52:32] <mray> LarsN: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/7143
[02-Aug-2010 13:53:03] <LarsN> mray: is my hero!
[02-Aug-2010 13:53:05] <mray> LarsN: there will be a 3.0.1 soon and you will be able to upgrade from 3.0
[02-Aug-2010 13:53:20] <mray> it'll be in the Installation Guide
[02-Aug-2010 13:53:34] <mray> you can pull in specific patches if you need them in the meantime
[02-Aug-2010 13:54:27] <LarsN> I just want to make sure I keep my server current this time around
[02-Aug-2010 13:54:39] <LarsN> jumping from 2.4.0 --> 2.5.x is painful otherwise :)
[02-Aug-2010 13:54:56] <LarsN> since I'm building new on 3.0 I don't want to get too far behind.
[02-Aug-2010 13:55:25] <LarsN> going to set a weekly task to check for, and apply if necessary, updates.
[02-Aug-2010 14:01:56] <LarsN> aclark: did you change my MOTD?
[02-Aug-2010 14:02:00] <LarsN> aclark: !!!! ;)
[02-Aug-2010 14:02:17] <aclark> LarsN: yeah you like it? I saved the old one to save
[02-Aug-2010 14:02:23] <aclark> .save
[02-Aug-2010 14:02:30] <LarsN> heh. you're fired. ;)
[02-Aug-2010 14:02:34] <aclark> hah
[02-Aug-2010 14:02:36] <LarsN> it's easier to read, that's for sure.
[02-Aug-2010 14:02:46] <aclark> i hated it at first, now i kind of like it
[02-Aug-2010 14:02:47] <LarsN> now you get to see the notes from the Pirates
[02-Aug-2010 14:02:52] <aclark> right
[02-Aug-2010 14:02:59] <mray> pastebin?
[02-Aug-2010 14:03:11] <LarsN> mray: oops wrong room, but yeah one moment.
[02-Aug-2010 14:03:30] <mray> just saying, you should share if it's funny
[02-Aug-2010 14:03:33] <mray> :)
[02-Aug-2010 14:04:05] <LarsN> http://pastebin.com/B8tkRhKF
[02-Aug-2010 14:04:07] <LarsN> that's the new one.
[02-Aug-2010 14:04:17] <LarsN> the old one was about an 80character high plone logo.
[02-Aug-2010 14:04:33] <aclark> hah
[02-Aug-2010 14:04:35] <LarsN> Lines 7-9 were my primary contribution.
[02-Aug-2010 14:04:40] <mray> heh
[02-Aug-2010 14:05:04] <LarsN> <--- completely missed he wasn't in the other room.
[02-Aug-2010 14:05:10] <aclark> LarsN: Equivalent to wiggy's "Break it and you get spanked"
[02-Aug-2010 14:05:24] <aclark> yeah who's counting :-)
[02-Aug-2010 14:05:37] <LarsN> mray: http://w9zeb.org/gallery/images/computers/_etc_motd/picture_4.png
[02-Aug-2010 14:05:39] <LarsN> was the old one.
[02-Aug-2010 14:06:04] <LarsN> and some of the others on systems we manage: http://w9zeb.org/gallery/?level=album&id=27
[02-Aug-2010 14:14:51] <aljosa> anybody knows if ApacheMonitor zenpack uses device name or ip address to get "/server-status=auto" and if that can be configured?
[02-Aug-2010 14:15:17] <mray> aljosa: let me check
[02-Aug-2010 14:17:01] <mray> ${dev/manageIp}, by the IP address
[02-Aug-2010 14:17:09] <mray> and it uses /server-status?auto
[02-Aug-2010 14:17:30] <QubeZ> mray: what is the reason to limit the hops to 4 in the network map?
[02-Aug-2010 14:18:16] <mray> QubeZ: not sure, the network map has barely been updated in 2.5 years
[02-Aug-2010 14:18:29] <mray> it predates my exposure to Zenoss :)
[02-Aug-2010 14:18:46] <aljosa> mray: is there a way to configure zenpack to use device name instead of ip address?
[02-Aug-2010 14:18:53] <QubeZ> its a really nice feature. especially for those of us that have big wig guests come visit the data center and want to put something like that up on a large screen
[02-Aug-2010 14:19:19] <mray> yeah, the data source let's you change it to whatever, it's a text field
[02-Aug-2010 14:19:38] <mray> "Apache Host:"
[02-Aug-2010 14:21:03] <LarsN> mray: aljosa: it can actually work under either. We are using the url, as the server extended status isn't set to listen on the default host/virtual host.
[02-Aug-2010 14:22:00] <LarsN> aljosa: mray: in the case of apache monitor I'm certain it does a dns --> IP lookup, but passes the request based on what's in the "Apache Host:" field.
[02-Aug-2010 14:24:57] <aljosa> LarsN: i'm new to zenoss (few hours) and i'm not sure where in admin i can change this setting?
[02-Aug-2010 14:25:17] <LarsN> aljosa: on zenoss 3.0, or 2.x
[02-Aug-2010 14:25:18] <LarsN> ?
[02-Aug-2010 14:25:55] <aljosa> 3.0
[02-Aug-2010 14:26:19] <LarsN> you'll want to override the template on the specific device, and then edit it.
[02-Aug-2010 14:26:38] <LarsN> if you edit it without creating a copy per device monitored, you'll end up changing the url for all of them, which is bad :)
[02-Aug-2010 14:29:09] <aljosa> LarsN: i can use "Override Template Here" but how do i edit it?
[02-Aug-2010 14:29:17] * LarsN points at mray
[02-Aug-2010 14:29:26] <LarsN> I'm just getting started with the new UI
[02-Aug-2010 14:29:34] <LarsN> templates changed significantly
[02-Aug-2010 14:29:36] <LarsN> sorry :)
[02-Aug-2010 14:30:56] <aljosa> mray: do you know how to edit templates/change settings in admin? is it possible?
[02-Aug-2010 14:32:45] <mray> aljosa: you can directly edit the data source, just click on the template you want to modify
[02-Aug-2010 14:33:07] <mray> you can double click or select "View and Edit Details" from the gear
[02-Aug-2010 14:33:56] <mray> if you want to copy it, select it and choose "override template" from the bottom-left gear
[02-Aug-2010 14:34:11] <aljosa> i've opened it, can i change ${dev/manageIp} to ${dev/manageName} or how do i get name i defined for device?
[02-Aug-2010 14:34:31] <aljosa> for "Apache Host"
[02-Aug-2010 14:34:48] <mray> $devname
[02-Aug-2010 14:38:45] <aljosa> i'm looking at http://zenpacks.zenoss.org/trac-zenpacks/browser/ but can't figure out shoud i checkout tags or zenpacks? i'm looking for zenpacks trunk so i can test some zenpacks if they work with v3.0
[02-Aug-2010 14:40:21] <mray> docs/DOC-2371
[02-Aug-2010 14:40:27] <mray> you should check out trunk
[02-Aug-2010 14:40:38] <mray> I try to get each release tagged
[02-Aug-2010 14:40:54] <mray> so unless it's under development, trunk == tag
[02-Aug-2010 14:41:12] <aljosa> ok, thanks for all your help today
[02-Aug-2010 14:41:18] <mray> no problem
[02-Aug-2010 14:52:43] <Jane_Curry> mray: your comment "LarsN: Jane_Curry: Advanced->Monitoring Templates, select a template you want to copy, choose the gear icon and "Override Template" ...
[02-Aug-2010 14:52:50] <mray> yeah
[02-Aug-2010 14:53:01] <Jane_Curry> This system is still at 2.5.2....
[02-Aug-2010 14:53:07] <mray> oh, sorry
[02-Aug-2010 14:53:16] <mray> those were 3.0 instructions
[02-Aug-2010 14:53:21] <mray> what did you want to do with 2.5.2?
[02-Aug-2010 14:53:26] <Jane_Curry> yup
[02-Aug-2010 14:53:56] <mray> let me fire up my 2.5.2. vm
[02-Aug-2010 14:54:25] <Jane_Curry> same thing - copy a template to a different device class - my custom device class shows a list of devices but doesn't include my new custom device calsses
[02-Aug-2010 14:57:30] <mray> Jane_Curry: from the Templates tab where the template is defined (ie. /Devices/Server), select the check box to the left of the template
[02-Aug-2010 14:57:46] <mray> then from the page menu, select "Copy Templates"
[02-Aug-2010 14:57:55] <mray> and it'll ask you where you want to copy it to
[02-Aug-2010 14:59:21] <Jane_Curry> yup - but it doesn't include my new device classes /Server, /Server/System, /Server/System/Application, /Server/System/Application/Package
[02-Aug-2010 14:59:39] <mray> is there a version of the template already defined there?
[02-Aug-2010 14:59:50] <mray> I think it excludes them from the list if it's already there
[02-Aug-2010 15:00:18] <Jane_Curry> sorry - that should have been /Service, /Service/System, /Service/System/Application, /Service/System/Application/Package
[02-Aug-2010 15:01:32] <mray> hmm… I'm able to copy the Filesystem template from /Server to /Services
[02-Aug-2010 15:01:51] <mray> I just added Services as a suborganizer
[02-Aug-2010 15:01:55] <mray> under Device
[02-Aug-2010 15:02:05] <mray> s/Device/Devices/
[02-Aug-2010 15:03:41] <Jane_Curry> /Service currently just has the default device template from / and the component templates
[02-Aug-2010 15:05:08] <Jane_Curry> Hmmm - wonder if it is to do with the extra attributes of my /Service, /Service/System etc.. devices...
[02-Aug-2010 15:36:02] <cgibbons> it sure got quiet when ian showed up
[02-Aug-2010 15:37:11] <iancmcc> I'm intimidating.
[02-Aug-2010 15:37:20] <cgibbons> all those big words
[02-Aug-2010 15:38:15] <iancmcc> To read makes our speaking English good.
[02-Aug-2010 15:41:44] <LarsN> if I want to remove all existing monitor templates on a specific device class
[02-Aug-2010 15:42:04] <LarsN> i'd like to remove the current /devices/server/ template, and only apply the httpmonitor template
[02-Aug-2010 15:42:07] <LarsN> at that level.
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[02-Aug-2010 16:09:18] <cgibbons> If any of you feel like it, could you run this script in your zendmd and report the results? :)
[02-Aug-2010 16:09:19] <cgibbons> x=[len(d.getRRDDataPoints()) for d in dmd.Devices.getSubDevices()]; print len(x),sum(x,0.0)/len(x),max(x)
[02-Aug-2010 16:14:34] <mray> 9 34.7777777778 48
[02-Aug-2010 16:14:42] <cgibbons> interesting, what box is that matt?
[02-Aug-2010 16:14:48] <mray> OSCON demo
[02-Aug-2010 16:14:59] <mray> the DevOps Gameday box
[02-Aug-2010 16:15:19] <mray> I believe it's 8 AWS instances
[02-Aug-2010 16:40:44] <nickanderson> mmm 3.0 seems a bit sluggish
[02-Aug-2010 16:42:15] <mray> well.. you know what they say about premature optimization...
[02-Aug-2010 16:43:04] <nickanderson> no, but for some reason i read that line first as premature ej....lation
[02-Aug-2010 16:43:22] <nickanderson> which is really something i dont want in an nms
[02-Aug-2010 16:43:34] <cgibbons> might sell more
[02-Aug-2010 16:44:17] <mray> "premature optimization is the root of all evil" is attributed to Sir Tony Hoare, a Professor of Computer Science and the inventor of the Quicksort algorithm as well as a senior researcher at Microsoft Research in Cambridge
[02-Aug-2010 16:44:43] <mray> I was just joking that now that we've gotten the app mostly jelled, we can start making it faster
[02-Aug-2010 16:45:00] <nickanderson> right
[02-Aug-2010 16:45:07] <nickanderson> its not dog slow
[02-Aug-2010 16:45:13] <nickanderson> but it does seem a bit slower
[02-Aug-2010 16:45:21] <nickanderson> just an observation
[02-Aug-2010 16:45:36] <nickanderson> i like the new UI, still getting used to nagivating it though
[02-Aug-2010 16:45:41] <mray> there are some screens that take awhile to to refresh
[02-Aug-2010 16:50:38] <mray> Updated Memcached Data Source ZenPack: docs/DOC-5887
[02-Aug-2010 16:58:45] <chachan> can I use a template twice in one device?, just making a little changes
[02-Aug-2010 17:02:23] <mray> I don't think so, but you could copy the data source and use it twice, renaming the data points and graphs
[02-Aug-2010 17:02:45] <mray> I could see why you'd want to
[02-Aug-2010 17:15:26] <chachan> mray, uhm, sounds great to me
[02-Aug-2010 17:15:30] <chachan> thx
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[02-Aug-2010 17:43:58] <cgibbons> hmm
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[02-Aug-2010 20:25:48] <mota> so I have created an event mapping with a transform. the transform field holds these two lines:
[02-Aug-2010 20:25:51] <mota> evt.severity = 2
[02-Aug-2010 20:25:54] <mota> evt._action = "history"
[02-Aug-2010 20:26:25] <mota> the first one works (the severity is changed); the second one doesn't (the event is not historified)
[02-Aug-2010 20:26:32] <mota> wtf?
[02-Aug-2010 20:28:43] LarsN_Away is now known as LarsN
[02-Aug-2010 20:36:54] <mota> hmm, even when I delete the mapping, the event severity changes. something else going on here
[02-Aug-2010 20:43:43] <straterra> mota: You made me double check what chan I was looking at, heh
[02-Aug-2010 20:51:13] <mota> I guess what I really need is a great reference on the event mapping and transform stuff. Is that Michael Badger book any good?
[02-Aug-2010 21:05:54] <straterra> No idea..
[02-Aug-2010 21:06:12] <straterra> rmatte is the ZenOSS god, though
[02-Aug-2010 21:06:22] <straterra> He's usually around in the daytime
[02-Aug-2010 22:01:34] <|rt|> mota: I've learned a few things from that book...I think the official documentation does a pretty good job at covering the same data though
[02-Aug-2010 22:01:49] <|rt|> I bought the book mostly b/c some $ goes back to the project
[02-Aug-2010 22:02:25] <|rt|> i've also learned a few things from rmatte :)
[02-Aug-2010 22:02:50] <|rt|> but the book is definitely a good way to get yourself oriented in Zenoss properly
[02-Aug-2010 22:03:19] <|rt|> you'll be able to ask better questions here when you do run into issues or have questions
[02-Aug-2010 22:15:21] <mota> Well, what I've found in the admin doc about mapping and transform seems pretty sparse. docs/DOC-4766#d0e7054
[02-Aug-2010 22:18:15] <mota> for instance, nowhere there does it explain that I do conditionals on evt.DeviceClass
[02-Aug-2010 22:18:38] <mota> err, *can do such conditionals
[02-Aug-2010 22:19:31] <mota> I found out by trial and error. So in one sense I'm looking for something more comprehensive about that sort of thing.
[02-Aug-2010 22:20:29] <mota> And then there's the sense of what I said earlier - I create a mapping, and it changes how the event is handled, but when I delete that mapping, the event handling doesn't change back to what it was! So there must be more there than meets the eye
[02-Aug-2010 23:45:30] <Tadik> hi all
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[03-Aug-2010 02:39:04] <Weetos> Hey there - is there any way to enable / disable alert rules schedules using REST calls ?
[03-Aug-2010 03:20:10] <tehhobbit> Simon4: do you have any tip on how to fix flap detection in zenoss
[03-Aug-2010 03:20:36] <Simon4> tehhobbit: you can play with the "count" and "delay" options in alerting rules to tune things a little
[03-Aug-2010 03:27:38] <Weetos> nevermind guys, I found the method
[03-Aug-2010 03:28:04] <Weetos> In case anyone's interested : message/4601#4601
[03-Aug-2010 03:32:12] <tehhobbit> Simon4: aah tnx
[03-Aug-2010 03:33:43] <tehhobbit> Simon4: would be sweet with flap detection the nagios way thou
[03-Aug-2010 03:33:56] <Simon4> tehhobbit: yeah, there have been discussions about that in here of late
[03-Aug-2010 03:34:23] <tehhobbit> Simon4: was thinking about something like message/50573#50573 for certain events
[03-Aug-2010 03:34:47] <tehhobbit> that and depends and zenoss would be perfect
[03-Aug-2010 03:35:23] * Simon4 has people staying atm, so hasn't done any more on his depends idea :/
[03-Aug-2010 03:35:29] <Simon4> they leave tomorrow though :)
[03-Aug-2010 03:36:41] <Weetos> tehhobbit> both those features miss me a lot ! I agree Zenoss would be perfect if it could do that
[03-Aug-2010 03:37:37] <Tadik> Hi Simon4
[03-Aug-2010 03:37:46] <Simon4> hiya Tadik
[03-Aug-2010 03:38:04] <Tadik> still cant delete all devices:(
[03-Aug-2010 03:38:27] <Weetos> the fact Zenoss can't do event correlation based on dependency and that it can't heuristicaly stop itself from sending hundreds of alerts, this is just killing me
[03-Aug-2010 03:40:04] <Tadik> is no way to start from "0",delete all without uninstalling zenoss?
[03-Aug-2010 03:40:51] <Simon4> Tadik: so you want to remove _all_ devices? not just the ones under /Devices/Discovered?
[03-Aug-2010 03:41:53] <Tadik> yes,i think will be better if i will start from zero...
[03-Aug-2010 03:42:14] <Tadik> but i dont want to uninstall/reinstall zenoss
[03-Aug-2010 03:42:35] <Simon4> hokay
[03-Aug-2010 03:43:58] <Tadik> witch way better to do it?:)
[03-Aug-2010 03:44:09] * Simon4 knocks something up
[03-Aug-2010 03:58:24] <Simon4> Tadik: http://lol.nzdance.net/delAllServers.zip - unzip that - running it looks something like this: http://pastie.org/1072468
[03-Aug-2010 03:58:41] <Simon4> if you run it without the -c flag it does a dry run, with the -c flag it actually commits changes
[03-Aug-2010 03:58:52] * Simon4 recommends a run _without_ -c first to see what it thinks it will do
[03-Aug-2010 04:00:15] <Tadik> ok Simon,will try it now,thx
[03-Aug-2010 04:07:51] <Tadik> wow,now its runs,i see "removing device : ***
[03-Aug-2010 04:08:10] <Tadik> i thing now its ok,its looks ok:)
[03-Aug-2010 04:46:03] <Weetos> is there any way to verify a user's credential using a REST call ? I can't seem to find how to do it
[03-Aug-2010 05:05:16] <Weetos> at least any pointer to a list of REST calls available objects, methods and properties ?
[03-Aug-2010 06:22:04] <st3v3o> morning.
[03-Aug-2010 06:35:30] <frozty_sa> Tadik: witch way? by using some magic, of course!
[03-Aug-2010 06:38:21] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[03-Aug-2010 06:48:08] <Tadik> Frozty_sa,what you mean?
[03-Aug-2010 06:49:02] <frozty_sa> Tadik: don't stress about it
[03-Aug-2010 06:49:15] <Tadik> about what?:)
[03-Aug-2010 08:04:03] <otakup0pe> quick random question ! how hard is it to make simple aesthetic/js changes to zenoss ?
[03-Aug-2010 08:04:14] <otakup0pe> i sense that can't really be done on a generic level via zenpack ?
[03-Aug-2010 08:09:20] <twm1010> aesthetic what
[03-Aug-2010 08:09:31] <twm1010> modelers, graphics, web gui?
[03-Aug-2010 08:09:35] <twm1010> you gotta be more specific
[03-Aug-2010 08:24:51] <twm1010> bah, I think I may be forced to do WMI based modeling for windows
[03-Aug-2010 08:34:20] <frozty_sa> twm1010: can't be that difficult, surely
[03-Aug-2010 08:34:33] <frozty_sa> I mean, a windows host is usually down, so you can remove the ping test
[03-Aug-2010 08:34:45] <twm1010> eh.... i have a lot of subclasses I'll have to rebuild, with zproperties along the way
[03-Aug-2010 08:34:49] <frozty_sa> all IP Services can be disabled too, since they'll obviously not be available
[03-Aug-2010 08:34:55] <twm1010> hehehe
[03-Aug-2010 08:34:59] <twm1010> very true
[03-Aug-2010 08:35:04] <frozty_sa> actually, you probably just want to poll the thing once, then put it in maintenance mode...
[03-Aug-2010 08:35:07] <frozty_sa> :P
[03-Aug-2010 08:37:00] <iancmcc> otakup0pe: If you're talking 3.0, it's easy to make a ZenPack that loads your own custom CSS and JS to override the default
[03-Aug-2010 08:37:20] <iancmcc> <3.0, on the other hand, is much less straightforward.
[03-Aug-2010 08:37:51] <otakup0pe> time to upgrade i guess heh
[03-Aug-2010 08:38:07] <otakup0pe> this better not break all my scripts that rely on zproperty web services
[03-Aug-2010 08:43:45] LarsN_Away is now known as LarsN
[03-Aug-2010 08:46:51] <twm1010> rmatte: if I recall, you do interface alerting based off events generated by a threshold?
[03-Aug-2010 08:50:44] <rmatte> correct
[03-Aug-2010 08:51:04] <rmatte> docs/DOC-2494
[03-Aug-2010 08:51:09] <rmatte> Chet developed that method
[03-Aug-2010 08:52:47] <twm1010> i'm revisiting it
[03-Aug-2010 08:53:02] <twm1010> what borked me last time was the routers that were also voice gateways
[03-Aug-2010 08:54:10] <twm1010> kind of a pain, but i'll have to use a custom interface template for those devices who have interfaces requiring explicit monitoring
[03-Aug-2010 08:54:21] <rmatte> yup
[03-Aug-2010 08:55:56] <twm1010> ya know it'd be really nice if someone would put together a ZP for common interface templates or if they could just load a few more into the default install
[03-Aug-2010 09:00:21] <rmatte> twm1010: well... the problem with doing it as a ZenPack is that you can't load stuff at the root level in a ZenPack (as far as I've seen)
[03-Aug-2010 09:00:37] <rmatte> the best that I've been able to do in to copy the templates to an Interfaces event class
[03-Aug-2010 09:00:42] <rmatte> and then have to copy them to root from there
[03-Aug-2010 09:00:58] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[03-Aug-2010 09:03:33] <chachan> rmatte, hi, how are you?
[03-Aug-2010 09:03:44] <rmatte> chachan: pretty busy lol
[03-Aug-2010 09:03:46] <rmatte> what's up?
[03-Aug-2010 09:04:30] <chachan> all fine :) I found something when I was trying to use the dmd object
[03-Aug-2010 09:04:39] <rmatte> ?
[03-Aug-2010 09:04:40] <chachan> It uses options
[03-Aug-2010 09:05:43] <chachan> if you call a script which pass parameters through command line, dmd doesn't work
[03-Aug-2010 09:05:53] <chachan> you need to destroy them
[03-Aug-2010 09:05:59] <chachan> that was my problem
[03-Aug-2010 09:06:47] <rmatte> I see
[03-Aug-2010 09:08:17] <chachan> so, I parse the parameters. save them in a local variable and then, I destroy the options before dmd creation :D
[03-Aug-2010 09:09:47] <chachan> btw, I'm getting "Command invoked cannot execute, permissions problem or command is not an executable"
[03-Aug-2010 09:10:11] <chachan> but I check this file out and I don't have this problem
[03-Aug-2010 09:10:53] <rmatte> which command in particular though?
[03-Aug-2010 09:11:02] <rmatte> it's probably not referencing the script file itself
[03-Aug-2010 09:11:03] <chachan> check_http
[03-Aug-2010 09:11:16] <rmatte> does the zenoss user have permissions to execute that script?
[03-Aug-2010 09:11:33] <chachan> but I do it to others device, and it worked
[03-Aug-2010 09:11:50] <chachan> yes, it's the owner and file has 755
[03-Aug-2010 09:12:27] <chachan> oh, and I execute it by hand. and it wokrs!
[03-Aug-2010 09:12:31] <chachan> works*
[03-Aug-2010 09:12:43] * rmatte shrugs
[03-Aug-2010 09:12:44] <rmatte> no idea
[03-Aug-2010 09:13:21] <chachan> I got it
[03-Aug-2010 09:13:24] <chachan> -.-
[03-Aug-2010 09:13:28] <chachan> forget it
[03-Aug-2010 09:14:03] <rmatte> lol
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[03-Aug-2010 09:31:39] <cgibbons> hey rmatte, can you do something for me?
[03-Aug-2010 09:33:41] <rmatte> what's up?
[03-Aug-2010 09:34:07] <cgibbons> run this in your dmd: x=[len(d.getRRDDataPoints()) for d in dmd.Devices.getSubDevices()]; print len(x),sum(x,0.0)/len(x),max(x)
[03-Aug-2010 09:34:23] <rmatte> which one?
[03-Aug-2010 09:34:24] <rmatte> lol
[03-Aug-2010 09:34:31] <rmatte> I have 14 different servers
[03-Aug-2010 09:34:38] <rmatte> does it matter?
[03-Aug-2010 09:34:39] <cgibbons> all of them if you're bored enough :)
[03-Aug-2010 09:34:44] <rmatte> lol
[03-Aug-2010 09:34:45] <cgibbons> looking for averages of different deployments
[03-Aug-2010 09:35:03] <cgibbons> if you can pick one, pick one that has a lot of big network gear
[03-Aug-2010 09:35:15] <rmatte> k
[03-Aug-2010 09:35:32] * Simon4 runs it for fun
[03-Aug-2010 09:35:58] <Simon4> >>> x=[len(d.getRRDDataPoints()) for d in dmd.Devices.getSubDevices()]; print len(x),sum(x,0.0)/len(x),max(x)
[03-Aug-2010 09:35:58] <Simon4> 489 58.7014314928 645
[03-Aug-2010 09:36:02] * rmatte yawns while he waits for zendmd to load
[03-Aug-2010 09:36:06] <cgibbons> wow totally different
[03-Aug-2010 09:36:12] <rmatte> I'll do it on our biggest deployment
[03-Aug-2010 09:36:25] <cgibbons> what kind of stuff are you mostly monitoring, simon?
[03-Aug-2010 09:36:50] <Simon4> hmm, that function doesn't cover our custom zenpack datapoints
[03-Aug-2010 09:36:52] <Simon4> interesting
[03-Aug-2010 09:36:56] <rmatte> zendmd always takes half a day to load on this particular server
[03-Aug-2010 09:37:03] <Simon4> so we have a bunch more datapoints than that
[03-Aug-2010 09:37:04] * rmatte taps his foot
[03-Aug-2010 09:37:30] <Simon4> cgibbons: that's linux servers + about 100 cisco network devs
[03-Aug-2010 09:38:13] <rmatte> k, this is ridiculous, zendmd is still loading
[03-Aug-2010 09:38:17] <rmatte> lol
[03-Aug-2010 09:38:32] <rmatte> I've had Zenoss running for like 45 days though, it tends to get a bit sluggish
[03-Aug-2010 09:38:58] <rmatte> there
[03-Aug-2010 09:39:10] <rmatte> cgibbons: 401 4.30673316708 21
[03-Aug-2010 09:39:17] <cgibbons> ok closer to normal
[03-Aug-2010 09:39:31] <rmatte> that's lots of cisco gear
[03-Aug-2010 09:39:37] <rmatte> and some windows servers
[03-Aug-2010 09:39:56] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[03-Aug-2010 09:39:56] <rmatte> about 120 routers, 120 switches, and 70 servers
[03-Aug-2010 09:40:13] <rmatte> actually, more than that...
[03-Aug-2010 09:41:40] <rmatte> 142 switches, 112 routers, 35 Wireless APs, 62 servers, and 50 firewalls that we are monitoring ping only.
[03-Aug-2010 09:42:47] <rmatte> I'll run it on a couple other boxes
[03-Aug-2010 09:43:17] <rmatte> 112 3.66964285714 17
[03-Aug-2010 09:43:37] <rmatte> 117 6.48717948718 21
[03-Aug-2010 09:43:40] <rmatte> nothing crazy
[03-Aug-2010 09:44:51] <cgibbons> interesting
[03-Aug-2010 09:45:10] <cgibbons> simon wins for the biggest average so far, by a large margin
[03-Aug-2010 09:46:04] <Simon4> cgibbons: we monitor lots of kpis for lots of applications on every server
[03-Aug-2010 09:46:10] <Simon4> so the datapoint rate per sever soars
[03-Aug-2010 09:46:11] <cgibbons> good to know
[03-Aug-2010 09:46:19] <cgibbons> doing some math on what a large reporting database might look at
[03-Aug-2010 09:46:20] <cgibbons> er look like
[03-Aug-2010 09:46:24] <Simon4> heh
[03-Aug-2010 09:46:29] <rmatte> cool
[03-Aug-2010 09:47:01] <cgibbons> at 100 data points per device, 25k devices, for 1 year is about 11 TB of storage just for the raw data + indexes
[03-Aug-2010 09:48:06] <cgibbons> but based upon gathered data so far, that's obviously way over the top on the # of data points
[03-Aug-2010 09:48:12] <cgibbons> average is closer to 5
[03-Aug-2010 09:49:31] <rmatte> yeh
[03-Aug-2010 09:49:42] <rmatte> but obviously need to aim higher rather than lower
[03-Aug-2010 09:50:02] <cgibbons> I'm also of the mind that 11 TB of storage for a year's worth of data isn't really a big deal, either
[03-Aug-2010 09:51:10] <cgibbons> hey fragfutter! you'd be another good one
[03-Aug-2010 09:51:27] <fragfutter> yeah! i'm a good one ;)
[03-Aug-2010 09:51:31] <cgibbons> can you run this in your dmd? x=[len(d.getRRDDataPoints()) for d in dmd.Devices.getSubDevices()]; print len(x),sum(x,0.0)/len(x),max(x)
[03-Aug-2010 09:51:49] <fragfutter> let's see. i rewired the complete room...
[03-Aug-2010 09:54:10] <fragfutter> *hm*
[03-Aug-2010 09:54:34] <fragfutter> strange. i have definitive a device with more then 14 graphs
[03-Aug-2010 09:54:40] <fragfutter> 159 3.1572327044 14
[03-Aug-2010 09:54:56] <cgibbons> yep
[03-Aug-2010 09:55:08] <cgibbons> maybe that script isn't perfect :)
[03-Aug-2010 09:55:36] <fragfutter> cgibbons: on first glance, it's not collecting the performance graphs of the interfaces
[03-Aug-2010 09:57:13] <fragfutter> cgibbons: so what are you trying to do?
[03-Aug-2010 09:57:38] <cgibbons> all the dps on a device and its children. I thought that function is recursive through the components but now that I look closer it prolly isn't
[03-Aug-2010 10:00:25] <cgibbons> shoot that means the data isn't useful
[03-Aug-2010 10:00:31] <Simon4> cgibbons:
[03-Aug-2010 10:00:33] <Simon4> zenoss@mon101:/opt/zenoss/perf/Devices$ ls |wc -l
[03-Aug-2010 10:00:34] <Simon4> 577
[03-Aug-2010 10:00:34] <Simon4> zenoss@mon101:/opt/zenoss/perf/Devices$ find . -name *.rrd -mmin -15 |wc -l
[03-Aug-2010 10:00:34] <Simon4> 126544
[03-Aug-2010 10:00:50] <Simon4> average of 219 dps per device
[03-Aug-2010 10:00:53] <fragfutter> Simon4: cheater. bypassing python.
[03-Aug-2010 10:01:05] <Simon4> :D
[03-Aug-2010 10:01:10] <cgibbons> I was doing that way earlier but thought it was less accurate. Clearly wrong :)
[03-Aug-2010 10:01:31] <Simon4> cgibbons: I went for the -mmin 15 to ensure it was a current rrd file
[03-Aug-2010 10:01:59] <fragfutter> i think zenoss deletes old rrd files after some time
[03-Aug-2010 10:05:51] <Simon4> anyone know if there's a zendmd way to run "Push Changes" for a device
[03-Aug-2010 10:05:52] <Simon4> ?
[03-Aug-2010 10:07:35] <fragfutter> pushConfig
[03-Aug-2010 10:07:45] <nickanderson> hello
[03-Aug-2010 10:07:54] <Simon4> fragfutter: cheers
[03-Aug-2010 10:08:51] <nickanderson> One of my graphs seems to have messed up a bit, its like 0 is being read as a higher number any idea how I would fix the graph beyond deleting it and letting zenoss re-create it?
[03-Aug-2010 10:09:36] <fragfutter> nickanderson: you mean the vertical scale does not start with zero?
[03-Aug-2010 10:10:45] <rmatte> nickanderson: that could just be a scaling issue, Zenoss auto-scales the graphs
[03-Aug-2010 10:11:04] <rmatte> nickanderson: I've seen that before but it's never bothered me as the data is still visible
[03-Aug-2010 10:11:23] <rmatte> It usually happens with my memory graphs, since I have a line marking the total which is much higher than the actual amount used
[03-Aug-2010 10:11:34] <nickanderson> http://imagebin.org/107958.3
[03-Aug-2010 10:11:42] <nickanderson> err http://imagebin.org/107958
[03-Aug-2010 10:11:59] <rmatte> yeh, that's just rrdtool auto-scaling
[03-Aug-2010 10:12:02] <rmatte> how is that a problem?
[03-Aug-2010 10:12:07] <rmatte> the values are still clearly visible
[03-Aug-2010 10:12:15] <nickanderson> the values are wrong
[03-Aug-2010 10:12:23] <nickanderson> cur !=43
[03-Aug-2010 10:12:25] <nickanderson> err 34
[03-Aug-2010 10:12:28] <fragfutter> i think it's mystic that the bottom-line is very flat at 34
[03-Aug-2010 10:12:39] <nickanderson> cur == 0
[03-Aug-2010 10:12:49] <fragfutter> nickanderson: did you verify with a snmp poll?
[03-Aug-2010 10:12:54] <nickanderson> ya
[03-Aug-2010 10:13:04] <rmatte> did you actually run a test on the datapoint itself?
[03-Aug-2010 10:13:07] <nickanderson> all my other graphs of this metric are the same
[03-Aug-2010 10:13:12] <nickanderson> errr
[03-Aug-2010 10:13:16] <nickanderson> not the same, are working fine
[03-Aug-2010 10:13:16] <rmatte> incorrect values can't be attributed to RRD in my experience
[03-Aug-2010 10:13:41] <rmatte> you could try renaming the RRD...
[03-Aug-2010 10:13:47] <LarsN> can someone point me at a document that details the proper way to work with MIBs to monitor a device?
[03-Aug-2010 10:13:52] <rmatte> but I would put money on it that you'll still have the same issue
[03-Aug-2010 10:13:52] <fragfutter> nickanderson: did you check a dump of the rrd?
[03-Aug-2010 10:14:09] <rmatte> LarsN: Mibs are only for translating traps in Zenoss.
[03-Aug-2010 10:14:11] <LarsN> I have some TrippLite PDUs that need to be monitored with more than just ping.
[03-Aug-2010 10:14:21] <nickanderson> rmatte: ok, betting an ice cream cone then
[03-Aug-2010 10:14:22] <rmatte> LarsN: When creating performance templates you need SNMP OIDs
[03-Aug-2010 10:14:27] <rmatte> nickanderson: hehe
[03-Aug-2010 10:15:02] <fragfutter> . o O (shipping and handling of icecream will be expensive)
[03-Aug-2010 10:15:18] <cgibbons> well snaptastic
[03-Aug-2010 10:16:12] <rmatte> LarsN: you really just need to google around until you hunt down the right values, or you can snmpwalk and compare values to figure out what's what
[03-Aug-2010 10:16:30] <rmatte> LarsN: loading the Mibs in to a mibs browser helps as well
[03-Aug-2010 10:16:39] <LarsN> rmatte: thanks.
[03-Aug-2010 10:16:54] <LarsN> I think that adds enough clarity to get me started :)
[03-Aug-2010 10:16:56] <fragfutter> cgibbons: you found it out?
[03-Aug-2010 10:17:04] <cgibbons> well just that I was doing it wrong
[03-Aug-2010 10:17:11] <LarsN> especially when I compare
[03-Aug-2010 10:17:12] <cgibbons> details...
[03-Aug-2010 10:17:20] <LarsN> against the UPS/APC monitor
[03-Aug-2010 10:17:38] <rmatte> LarsN: http://www.secure-computing.net/wiki/index.php/PDU_Cacti
[03-Aug-2010 10:17:41] <rmatte> that could help you out
[03-Aug-2010 10:18:00] <rmatte> The cacti poller script probably has the OIDs in it
[03-Aug-2010 10:18:04] <rmatte> you just need to dig them out
[03-Aug-2010 10:18:12] <LarsN> rmatte: that's awesome since I was just reading the PDU Nagios page on the same site :)
[03-Aug-2010 10:18:17] <rmatte> hehe
[03-Aug-2010 10:18:35] <LarsN> that's even the same POS pdu shown in the page.
[03-Aug-2010 10:18:47] <rmatte> cool
[03-Aug-2010 10:23:03] <rmatte> eugh, figuring out these otrs permissions is going to be a nightmare (since I didn't set them up)
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[03-Aug-2010 10:32:13] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[03-Aug-2010 10:36:04] <QubeZ> hello all
[03-Aug-2010 10:44:25] <ke4zvu31> Hi, i'm using zenoss 2.5 and in my "event console" view, I keep having this warning-level event come up for a device that I deleted weeks ago... no matter how many times i delete this event, it keeps coming back even though the device the event is for no longer exists. any thoughts on how i can get rid of it ?? Thanks.
[03-Aug-2010 10:47:30] <otakup0pe> have you restarted zenoss ?
[03-Aug-2010 10:47:33] <otakup0pe> it gets confused sometimes
[03-Aug-2010 10:47:49] <twm1010> what daemon is creating the event?
[03-Aug-2010 10:48:05] <twm1010> look at the event, and it will tell if it's coming from zentrap, zenwineventlog, etc...
[03-Aug-2010 10:48:49] <ke4zvu31> otakup0pe: no i have not
[03-Aug-2010 10:49:01] <otakup0pe> try that
[03-Aug-2010 10:49:12] <otakup0pe> that's always helped me with spurious warnings for systmes that have been deleted
[03-Aug-2010 10:49:18] <otakup0pe> and processes as well
[03-Aug-2010 10:49:27] <ke4zvu31> twm1010: the class is /Status/Snmp it's coming from the component process and from the agent zenprocess
[03-Aug-2010 10:49:39] <ke4zvu31> will do otakup0pe
[03-Aug-2010 10:49:42] <twm1010> there you go, restart the zenprocess daemon
[03-Aug-2010 10:52:49] <ke4zvu31> thanks twm1010. looks like that did it.
[03-Aug-2010 10:54:21] <rocket> ke4zvu31: zenoss version?
[03-Aug-2010 10:54:28] <ke4zvu31> rocket: 2.5
[03-Aug-2010 10:54:39] <rocket> upgrade from earlier versions?
[03-Aug-2010 10:54:43] <ke4zvu31> yup
[03-Aug-2010 10:55:06] <rocket> issue most likely then is a broken relationship
[03-Aug-2010 10:55:28] <rocket> causing the config to not get reloaded properly etc
[03-Aug-2010 10:55:59] <twm1010> rocket: is that common?
[03-Aug-2010 10:56:02] <ke4zvu31> rocket: cool, good to know
[03-Aug-2010 10:56:35] <rocket> twm1010: actually it is somewhat common ... if you are an enterprise customer zenfixit has been updated to find most of those issues
[03-Aug-2010 10:56:49] <twm1010> zenfixit? :)
[03-Aug-2010 10:56:51] <rocket> the bug causing the relationships to break was fixed in 2.5.2
[03-Aug-2010 10:57:02] <iancmcc> also, if you install the PreUpgrade ZenPack, it runs some of that zenfixit code
[03-Aug-2010 10:57:09] <iancmcc> specifically the part that fixes the broken relationships
[03-Aug-2010 10:57:30] <iancmcc> you don't have to upgrade afterwards
[03-Aug-2010 10:57:45] <twm1010> i don't do much process monitoring
[03-Aug-2010 10:57:56] <twm1010> i have noticed before that sometimes a process will be stubborn once removed
[03-Aug-2010 10:58:01] <rocket> twm1010: it can impact any daemon
[03-Aug-2010 10:59:58] <rocket> clean installs shouldnt have that issue either
[03-Aug-2010 11:20:53] <chachan> does anybody have any example of a script executed in a DataSource to check for something?
[03-Aug-2010 11:21:20] <chachan> what should I have to return to make it successfully?
[03-Aug-2010 11:26:22] <mray> chachan: that's every Command data source
[03-Aug-2010 11:26:26] <mray> chachan: docs/DOC-3416
[03-Aug-2010 11:26:36] <mray> the Admin Guide covers it
[03-Aug-2010 11:26:44] <chachan> mm, ok
[03-Aug-2010 11:27:10] <chachan> another cuestion, can I have checkout the "Globals"
[03-Aug-2010 11:27:25] <chachan> can I make*
[03-Aug-2010 11:27:27] <chachan> sorry
[03-Aug-2010 11:27:43] <rmatte> chachan: what do you mean can you make checkout?
[03-Aug-2010 11:27:56] <chachan> through subversion
[03-Aug-2010 11:28:18] <rmatte> of course, why not?
[03-Aug-2010 11:28:21] <rmatte> it's all GPL code
[03-Aug-2010 11:28:30] <chachan> mmm
[03-Aug-2010 11:28:52] <chachan> ok, I do it, thanks
[03-Aug-2010 11:56:59] <nickanderson> How do I override ethernetCsmacd_64, xen domUs report nic speed as 100MB instead of 1000 and that is causing alarms for high utilization of the network. ... this is 3.0, im just a bit lost
[03-Aug-2010 11:59:14] <rmatte> just make a copy of it under that class and then modify it
[03-Aug-2010 11:59:41] <rmatte> the only other way would be to create a local copy of the template on each interface
[03-Aug-2010 11:59:50] <rmatte> and then modify each one
[03-Aug-2010 12:00:05] <nickanderson> i think i figured it out
[03-Aug-2010 12:00:05] <chachan> O.o there's an API
[03-Aug-2010 12:00:12] <nickanderson> it was the whole creating a copy of it
[03-Aug-2010 12:00:21] <nickanderson> 3.0 still has me disoriented a bit
[03-Aug-2010 12:00:29] <rmatte> k
[03-Aug-2010 12:06:01] <nickanderson> What i did to find it was drill down into my alarm then change the drop down to monitoring template, that took me to advanced, monitoring templates, and the menu had an option for override, so i did that heh taking some getting used to
[03-Aug-2010 12:17:24] <twm1010> anyone here use the site window portlet to display a graph?
[03-Aug-2010 12:18:27] <rmatte> not currently
[03-Aug-2010 12:18:33] <rmatte> it's pretty straightforward though
[03-Aug-2010 12:18:43] <twm1010> I'm trying to follow this: docs/DOC-5334
[03-Aug-2010 12:19:20] <twm1010> i copy the URL, paste it into the site window minus the chopped off portion, and get "Type Error: int() argument must be a string or number
[03-Aug-2010 12:20:10] <rmatte> paste the url
[03-Aug-2010 12:20:19] <rmatte> (here, I mean)
[03-Aug-2010 12:20:45] <twm1010> its, long :)
[03-Aug-2010 12:20:54] <rmatte> meh
[03-Aug-2010 12:21:26] <twm1010> see :)
[03-Aug-2010 12:21:44] <rmatte> yeh, I knew it was going to be long
[03-Aug-2010 12:22:02] <rmatte> paste the original including the original end
[03-Aug-2010 12:22:24] <twm1010> that is the original
[03-Aug-2010 12:22:57] <rmatte> I'm wondering if IRC cut it off
[03-Aug-2010 12:23:04] <rmatte> the last part I see is: IjqGheu
[03-Aug-2010 12:23:07] <rmatte> pastebin it
[03-Aug-2010 12:23:21] <twm1010> k
[03-Aug-2010 12:23:41] <nickanderson> ugh, how to i re-assign the device class of a device?
[03-Aug-2010 12:23:54] <nickanderson> going in circles in the gui
[03-Aug-2010 12:23:58] <twm1010> http://www.pastebin.org/445976
[03-Aug-2010 12:24:08] <rmatte> nickanderson: just drag the device to the new class
[03-Aug-2010 12:24:22] <nickanderson> oh wow
[03-Aug-2010 12:24:26] <nickanderson> nice
[03-Aug-2010 12:24:27] <rmatte> :P
[03-Aug-2010 12:24:28] <rmatte> lol
[03-Aug-2010 12:24:35] <rmatte> nobody seems to be getting that one
[03-Aug-2010 12:24:36] <nickanderson> i was lookking for a menu
[03-Aug-2010 12:24:37] <nickanderson> hah
[03-Aug-2010 12:24:41] <rmatte> yeh, everyone does
[03-Aug-2010 12:24:52] <nickanderson> i think it escaped me because you didnt hijack the right click menu
[03-Aug-2010 12:25:00] <rmatte> hehe
[03-Aug-2010 12:25:01] <twm1010> well, the old UI wasn't always intuitive, so people assume the same here
[03-Aug-2010 12:25:06] <nickanderson> if you hijack the right click menu for sure i would try drag drop
[03-Aug-2010 12:25:47] <rmatte> the old UI had it's downs, but overall it wasn't too bad
[03-Aug-2010 12:28:05] <rmatte> twm1010: hmmm
[03-Aug-2010 12:28:47] <rmatte> twm1010: it's possible that it's a bug in the new UI
[03-Aug-2010 12:28:50] <twm1010> let me see if IE captures a different URL
[03-Aug-2010 12:28:55] <rmatte> I'll try and see what happens
[03-Aug-2010 12:28:55] <twm1010> rmatte: I'm on 2.5.2
[03-Aug-2010 12:28:59] <rmatte> ah
[03-Aug-2010 12:29:05] <rmatte> I'll try on 2.5.2 then
[03-Aug-2010 12:30:22] <twm1010> looks the same on IE, thought maybe the spaces were different
[03-Aug-2010 12:30:28] <rmatte> twm1010: I get the same, but it's something to do with the url itself
[03-Aug-2010 12:30:31] <rmatte> hold on...
[03-Aug-2010 12:32:02] <rmatte> yeh, it's definitely not liking it when the options are removed, hmmm
[03-Aug-2010 12:34:50] <rmatte> twm1010: honestly, I don't even seen the point of removing those options
[03-Aug-2010 12:34:54] <rmatte> that's a flawed step
[03-Aug-2010 12:35:04] <rmatte> start=end-129600s&end=now-0s
[03-Aug-2010 12:35:08] <rmatte> that will always work
[03-Aug-2010 12:35:25] <rmatte> you can adjust the amount of time subtracted from the end if you need to increase the range
[03-Aug-2010 12:35:36] <rmatte> I'd say just use the URL as is
[03-Aug-2010 12:36:05] <rmatte> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[03-Aug-2010 12:36:07] <rmatte> I see
[03-Aug-2010 12:36:08] <rmatte> hahaha
[03-Aug-2010 12:36:39] <rmatte> you misunderstood the step
[03-Aug-2010 12:37:03] <rmatte> the only part he said to trim off was the &comment portion
[03-Aug-2010 12:37:18] <rmatte> "trim the end off after "&drange=129600&width=500&start=end-129600s&end=now-0s" so the labels aren't static"
[03-Aug-2010 12:37:26] <rmatte> meaning keep up until now-0s
[03-Aug-2010 12:37:29] <rmatte> and trim the rest off
[03-Aug-2010 12:37:32] <rmatte> comprende?
[03-Aug-2010 12:38:24] <twm1010> LOL
[03-Aug-2010 12:38:26] <twm1010> i'm a dufus
[03-Aug-2010 12:38:39] <rmatte> well, it's not really evident in the way it's typed
[03-Aug-2010 12:38:50] <rmatte> if you're just skimmin through you could easily mistake it
[03-Aug-2010 12:39:10] <JonnyV> guys question about dependencies (host & services) on 3.0. Is there an improvement from older versions regarding this?
[03-Aug-2010 12:39:27] <rmatte> JonnyV: no
[03-Aug-2010 12:39:39] <twm1010> hhahaha
[03-Aug-2010 12:39:44] <JonnyV> ok.. so basically i need to do transforms
[03-Aug-2010 12:39:44] <rmatte> 3.0 is 2.5.2 with a prettier interface
[03-Aug-2010 12:39:45] <twm1010> I like that, a simple one word answer
[03-Aug-2010 12:39:46] <rmatte> that's about it
[03-Aug-2010 12:40:00] <JonnyV> thanks rmatte
[03-Aug-2010 12:40:05] <rmatte> np
[03-Aug-2010 12:41:11] <twm1010> I wonder if that works with a multi-graph :)
[03-Aug-2010 12:41:52] <twm1010> hah, sweet, it does
[03-Aug-2010 12:42:38] <rmatte> yeh, it'll work with any graph
[03-Aug-2010 12:43:04] <twm1010> can I manipulate the URL then to show a static timer period, ie. the last 24hrs
[03-Aug-2010 12:43:19] <rmatte> yes, like I said, just change the end time
[03-Aug-2010 12:43:27] <rmatte> start=end-129600s
[03-Aug-2010 12:43:41] <rmatte> that means that the start is the end (which is now) minus 129600 seconds
[03-Aug-2010 12:43:49] <rmatte> so if you want 24 hours...
[03-Aug-2010 12:44:13] <rmatte> -86400 I believe
[03-Aug-2010 12:44:37] <twm1010> clever, i like it
[03-Aug-2010 12:44:47] <rmatte> 129600 is 1.5 days
[03-Aug-2010 12:44:57] <twm1010> default is perfect then
[03-Aug-2010 12:45:12] <rmatte> cool
[03-Aug-2010 12:46:02] <twm1010> if only the portlets could have custom widths
[03-Aug-2010 12:46:27] <rmatte> yeh, you can't really do that since it expands to fit the window
[03-Aug-2010 12:46:41] <rmatte> being able to center the graph image would be nice though hehe
[03-Aug-2010 12:46:53] <twm1010> It would be nice if it wasn't just an image too, but I suppose that's what reports are for
[03-Aug-2010 12:46:55] <rmatte> oh by the way...
[03-Aug-2010 12:47:09] <rmatte> I think height and width of the graph are options in the URL too
[03-Aug-2010 12:47:10] <twm1010> So, is there a way to call that URL from another website, without having to authenticate?
[03-Aug-2010 12:47:20] <rmatte> twm1010: no, it requires authentication
[03-Aug-2010 12:47:37] <twm1010> that's what i figured, it'd be nice to port some of these graphs out to our intranet
[03-Aug-2010 12:47:52] <twm1010> Ideally some people don't need their noses in my Zenoss server if possible.
[03-Aug-2010 12:48:04] <rmatte> If you scripted something that automatically logged in, grabbed them at intervals, and cashed them somewhere, then you'd be able to
[03-Aug-2010 12:48:09] <rmatte> that's pretty much the only way to do it
[03-Aug-2010 12:48:31] <Simon4> you can also talk directly to zenrender to get graphs
[03-Aug-2010 12:48:48] <Simon4> which could be an interesting proposition for an intranet portal
[03-Aug-2010 12:48:50] <rmatte> Simon4: via python you mean?
[03-Aug-2010 12:48:58] <twm1010> heh, maybe, but our intranet server runs NetWare :)
[03-Aug-2010 12:49:13] <rmatte> NetWare, my god
[03-Aug-2010 12:49:18] <Simon4> rmatte: no, you can craft your own requests to zenrender asking for the graphs to be drawn any way you like
[03-Aug-2010 12:49:25] <Simon4> nmccallum wrote a doc on it on the wiki
[03-Aug-2010 12:49:38] <twm1010> before I migrated it from a whopping 200mhz machine with 256mb of ram and NetWare5, it had an uptime of 4 years :)
[03-Aug-2010 12:49:48] <rmatte> Simon4: I'm aware of that, but that requires authentication
[03-Aug-2010 12:50:08] <rmatte> twm1010: nice
[03-Aug-2010 12:50:48] <twm1010> and now that it's virtualized on an underpowered ESX server and on the latest version of netware it has a memory leak and crashes every 5 weeks
[03-Aug-2010 12:50:52] <twm1010> hows that for improvement!?
[03-Aug-2010 12:50:54] <twm1010> :D
[03-Aug-2010 12:51:10] <rmatte> the good old days when you could use something like this to cool your cpu: http://www.wackyplanet.com/personal-message-fan.html
[03-Aug-2010 12:51:24] <rmatte> :P
[03-Aug-2010 12:51:26] <twm1010> So... I could swear someone in the forum worked around this somehow...
[03-Aug-2010 12:51:40] <twm1010> I suppose I could use some kind of admin workstation to just call up the page, and save the JPG's down somewhere
[03-Aug-2010 12:51:57] <twm1010> that would work, but not be realtime
[03-Aug-2010 12:54:16] <rmatte> well, even if you only collect the images every 5 minutes, it'll still be about as realtime as it gets
[03-Aug-2010 12:55:33] <twm1010> hrmm... I'll mull this over, I can actually use NCP tunnel via FTP to get the data to the destination server pretty easily if I can get a shell script to capture the images
[03-Aug-2010 12:56:08] <rmatte> well, the authentication will be the hard part
[03-Aug-2010 12:56:24] <rmatte> it looks like http://user:password@zenossserver:8080 doesn't work anymore
[03-Aug-2010 12:56:26] <twm1010> can I authenticate in the URL ?
[03-Aug-2010 12:56:32] <twm1010> ah...
[03-Aug-2010 12:56:36] <rmatte> which is stupid because that's what zensendevent relies on
[03-Aug-2010 12:56:50] <rmatte> so by extension, that no longer works either
[03-Aug-2010 12:57:00] <twm1010> maybe, they only let you pass a password via HTTPS?
[03-Aug-2010 12:57:06] <twm1010> so the password isn't transmitted in the clear
[03-Aug-2010 12:57:11] <rmatte> doubt it, but you could try
[03-Aug-2010 12:57:25] <rmatte> it doesn't support https by default
[03-Aug-2010 12:57:26] <twm1010> you mean it no longer works in 3.x?
[03-Aug-2010 12:57:32] <rmatte> clear http over 8080
[03-Aug-2010 12:57:41] <rmatte> twm1010: I mean it doesn't even work in 2.5.2
[03-Aug-2010 12:57:48] <twm1010> oh really? I always figured it was there just not used
[03-Aug-2010 12:57:58] <rmatte> not based on my latest testing
[03-Aug-2010 12:58:08] <twm1010> the enterprise demo we watched last week cleared has SSL in the URL
[03-Aug-2010 12:58:08] <rmatte> someone was having a problem with zensendevent, so I gave it a try
[03-Aug-2010 12:58:11] <rmatte> and that's what the issue is
[03-Aug-2010 12:58:31] <rmatte> twm1010: piped through a proxy probably
[03-Aug-2010 12:58:41] <rmatte> twm1010: we do that for our publicly accessible Zenoss boxes
[03-Aug-2010 12:59:07] <twm1010> more than one way to skin a cat ;)
[03-Aug-2010 12:59:10] <rmatte> yup
[03-Aug-2010 13:06:29] <nickanderson> what does the little grey icon that looks liek it has a spiderweb in it mean?
[03-Aug-2010 13:06:35] <nickanderson> instead of a green check
[03-Aug-2010 13:07:01] <nickanderson> oh i c
[03-Aug-2010 13:07:01] <nickanderson> nm
[03-Aug-2010 13:07:07] <rmatte> lol
[03-Aug-2010 13:07:20] <JonnyV> haha.. i had the same doubt
[03-Aug-2010 13:09:07] <rmatte> nice, we just lost visibility to over 100 devices
[03-Aug-2010 13:09:12] <rmatte> nice little flood in our ticketing system
[03-Aug-2010 13:10:41] <twm1010> down vpn tunnel to a customer?
[03-Aug-2010 13:10:48] <rmatte> yup
[03-Aug-2010 13:11:09] <twm1010> so that's 100 tickets into OTRS?
[03-Aug-2010 13:11:14] <rmatte> yessir
[03-Aug-2010 13:11:33] <nickanderson> on the plus side that will make your stats look good for closing 100 tickets in a day
[03-Aug-2010 13:11:40] <rmatte> :P
[03-Aug-2010 13:11:40] <twm1010> hrmm, hopefully it allow a parent child relationship to you can close them all with one master move?
[03-Aug-2010 13:11:58] <rmatte> twm1010: we leave them open until the issue is resolved, then we relate them all back to 1 and close them
[03-Aug-2010 13:12:12] <twm1010> it's pretty good at mass ticket manipulation?
[03-Aug-2010 13:12:22] <rmatte> twm1010: yeh, it can do that too
[03-Aug-2010 13:12:32] <twm1010> i installed it, kicked the tires a little, it's a 700 page admin guide!
[03-Aug-2010 13:12:32] <rmatte> we don't manipulate all the tickets besides relating them back
[03-Aug-2010 13:12:40] <rmatte> we just put entries in the master ticket
[03-Aug-2010 13:12:47] <twm1010> i'm tempted to just wait until v3 is out of beta
[03-Aug-2010 13:13:06] <rmatte> yeh, v3 is supposed to have a whole new interface
[03-Aug-2010 13:13:13] <rmatte> though the only demos they show is of the customer portion
[03-Aug-2010 13:13:14] <ashp> yeah come on, release v3, i am bored at work :)
[03-Aug-2010 13:13:19] <rmatte> which is not the portion I want to see
[03-Aug-2010 13:13:20] <ashp> we delayed our rollout until v3 enterprise is out
[03-Aug-2010 13:13:31] <rmatte> hehe
[03-Aug-2010 13:13:43] <ashp> i got an email making it sound like it would be last week, but no luck!
[03-Aug-2010 13:13:43] <rmatte> we meant v3 of otrs :P
[03-Aug-2010 13:13:50] <twm1010> ashp: you use the paid version?
[03-Aug-2010 13:13:52] <rmatte> but yes
[03-Aug-2010 13:14:49] <ashp> yeah
[03-Aug-2010 13:14:59] <twm1010> What makes the paid version worth it?
[03-Aug-2010 13:15:17] <rmatte> twm1010: hold on...
[03-Aug-2010 13:15:32] <rmatte> http://www.zenoss.com/forms/test-drive
[03-Aug-2010 13:15:37] <rmatte> put your email in there and you'll see
[03-Aug-2010 13:16:18] <ashp> they get nice engineers to help you when you break things
[03-Aug-2010 13:16:24] <ashp> and i break things _A LOT_
[03-Aug-2010 13:16:46] <twm1010> rmatte: I'm talking about OTRS
[03-Aug-2010 13:16:49] <rmatte> twm1010: they have some interface enhancements, but the enterprise ZenPacks are awesome
[03-Aug-2010 13:17:01] <rmatte> twm1010: oh, there is no "enterprise" version of OTRS
[03-Aug-2010 13:17:08] <rmatte> they provide enterprise support
[03-Aug-2010 13:17:11] <twm1010> Yeah, I really was digging the insight into ESX performance
[03-Aug-2010 13:17:45] <twm1010> and how you could see how well you were leverage your ESX server resources against your storage (NetApp) resources
[03-Aug-2010 13:17:53] <twm1010> we got a live demo of enterprise last week
[03-Aug-2010 13:18:01] <rmatte> yeh
[03-Aug-2010 13:18:02] <ashp> the ESX/netapp stuff is the primary motivator behind our purchase to be honest
[03-Aug-2010 13:18:05] <rmatte> it's pretty slick
[03-Aug-2010 13:18:15] <rmatte> the ESX pack is awesome
[03-Aug-2010 13:18:30] <rmatte> I wish someone would make something similar for core
[03-Aug-2010 13:18:48] <twm1010> Yeah the core stuff for ESX is a bit hodge podge right now
[03-Aug-2010 13:18:56] <twm1010> the NetApp stuff is... so so
[03-Aug-2010 13:18:59] <rmatte> yeh, well, it's based on snmp
[03-Aug-2010 13:19:05] <rmatte> which blows in ESX 4
[03-Aug-2010 13:19:18] <rmatte> We need something based on the actual API
[03-Aug-2010 13:19:38] <twm1010> yeah, i can't remmeber if I looked but I'm almost positive my v4 ESX servers don't show anything that host-resourcesmib doens't provide
[03-Aug-2010 13:19:42] <mray> the libvirt zenpack would be a good place to start, it uses the VMware API
[03-Aug-2010 13:19:53] <rmatte> mray: nah, it's ESX support blows
[03-Aug-2010 13:20:05] <rmatte> it has great XEN support though
[03-Aug-2010 13:20:18] <nickanderson> Classic Xen
[03-Aug-2010 13:20:31] <nickanderson> not the api stuff that citrix has been releasing
[03-Aug-2010 13:20:38] <mray> any happy 3.0 Core users want to talk to a reporter?
[03-Aug-2010 13:20:38] <mray> rmatte: the libvirt support for Xen?
[03-Aug-2010 13:20:45] <twm1010> mray: I demand you dumb down Zenoss Core so I can more easily sell Zenoss Enterprise to my managers!
[03-Aug-2010 13:20:49] <mray> rmatte: it's good? Or the ZenPack is good too?
[03-Aug-2010 13:20:49] <JonnyV> guys, why all .conf files ate etc are empty for daemons? im with 3.0. It takes the data from the zeo db?
[03-Aug-2010 13:20:54] <rmatte> mray: yes, libvirt supports XEN very well
[03-Aug-2010 13:21:02] <rmatte> mray: It's ESX support is almost non-existant
[03-Aug-2010 13:21:08] <nickanderson> libvert supports Classic Xen
[03-Aug-2010 13:21:12] <mray> twm1010: do you work for our sales?
[03-Aug-2010 13:21:16] <mray> ;)
[03-Aug-2010 13:21:23] <rmatte> mray: which is why the libvert pack is useless for ESX monitoring
[03-Aug-2010 13:21:40] <mray> JonnyV: there are no changes to the defaults, which is why the conf files are empty
[03-Aug-2010 13:21:55] <mray> if you go to them through the Advanced->Daemons in the UI, it'll generate a stub for you
[03-Aug-2010 13:22:13] <rmatte> JonnyV: go to the daemons section and click on edit config
[03-Aug-2010 13:22:19] <nickanderson> its also not useful for XCP or XenServer monitoring
[03-Aug-2010 13:22:20] <rmatte> JonnyV: you'll see the daemon options
[03-Aug-2010 13:22:25] <nickanderson> the libvert zenpack that is
[03-Aug-2010 13:22:27] <JonnyV> yes.. i see them there
[03-Aug-2010 13:22:30] <twm1010> What kills me is our entire web infrastructure uses ESX with NetApp, and I need remote collectors for better resolution on graphs and what not. Why that's not enough I'm not quite sure.
[03-Aug-2010 13:22:31] <rmatte> JonnyV: If you click save on that page, then it'll write the options to the config file
[03-Aug-2010 13:22:50] <rmatte> JonnyV: when they are blank Zenoss uses the default options
[03-Aug-2010 13:23:08] <JonnyV> cool... i think that will be useful so i can see them through the console... faster
[03-Aug-2010 13:23:15] <JonnyV> great... thanks rmatte
[03-Aug-2010 13:23:17] <rmatte> JonnyV: yup
[03-Aug-2010 13:23:18] <rmatte> np
[03-Aug-2010 13:24:48] <twm1010> I really only need 3 collectors, one slow, and one fast on my zenoss server, and one remote one that's fast
[03-Aug-2010 13:25:46] <rmatte> define "slow" and "fast"
[03-Aug-2010 13:25:53] <rmatte> in terms of polling cycle time?
[03-Aug-2010 13:26:02] <twm1010> right, 5 minutes i consider slow
[03-Aug-2010 13:26:06] <twm1010> 1 minute would be fast
[03-Aug-2010 13:28:10] <rmatte> ah
[03-Aug-2010 13:28:17] <rmatte> 1 minute is a bit intense lol
[03-Aug-2010 13:28:41] <gabrielcz> Hi all there..
[03-Aug-2010 13:28:44] <rmatte> hi
[03-Aug-2010 13:29:12] <gabrielcz> Im new using zenoss, and I have NO problem using basic templates/commands
[03-Aug-2010 13:29:15] <nickanderson> so the button placement on the bottom of the screen in 3.0 and the way chrome likes to pop up a little url status bar dont jive well together
[03-Aug-2010 13:29:22] <gabrielcz> but i do NOT undestand using remote commands (ssh)
[03-Aug-2010 13:29:38] <gabrielcz> are there any guide or somethig I can read to use it?
[03-Aug-2010 13:30:21] <gabrielcz> are there any spanish spoken?
[03-Aug-2010 13:30:40] <mray> nickanderson: there are other issues with Chrome and other webkit browsers with 3.0 that are broken, 3.0.1 will fix some
[03-Aug-2010 13:31:04] <mray> gabrielcz: The Administration Guide covers it some
[03-Aug-2010 13:31:13] <gabrielcz> the administration!?
[03-Aug-2010 13:31:14] <nickanderson> Yeah, i noticed like model device windows didnt work in chrome, but its not a supported browser fully so i wasnt complaining
[03-Aug-2010 13:31:15] <gabrielcz> ok.
[03-Aug-2010 13:31:18] <gabrielcz> I will take a look.
[03-Aug-2010 13:31:37] <mray> gabrielcz: community/documentation/official_documentation/zenoss-guide
[03-Aug-2010 13:31:42] <nickanderson> just pointing out the design and the way chrome does things dosnt jive well, lookin forward to chrome compatibility
[03-Aug-2010 13:31:56] <Orv> This worked prior to installing 3.0. Wonder what I did wrong? "Sender address must contain a domain". Any ideas?
[03-Aug-2010 13:31:57] <Orv> Thanks.
[03-Aug-2010 13:32:13] <gabrielcz> mray: I will take a look
[03-Aug-2010 13:32:46] <gabrielcz> mray: 3.2. Modeling Devices Using SSH/COMMAND ?
[03-Aug-2010 13:32:48] <twm1010> rmatte: Yes one minute is quick, but, that collector would maybe monitor, 100 datapoints, max
[03-Aug-2010 13:32:55] <gabrielcz> you think that´ it?
[03-Aug-2010 13:33:14] <twm1010> maybe i underestimate
[03-Aug-2010 13:33:38] <twm1010> it would be nice if in the UI you could run a command to see how many datapoints a class or subclass is currently configured to collect
[03-Aug-2010 13:33:47] <mray> gabrielcz: yeah, that's a good start
[03-Aug-2010 13:34:04] <gabrielcz> THANKS.
[03-Aug-2010 13:34:11] <mray> you'll probably want to install the Linux Monitor ZenPack too: docs/DOC-3435
[03-Aug-2010 13:35:13] <gabrielcz> I will do it
[03-Aug-2010 13:37:34] <gabrielcz> mray: do you have 10 minutes? I will do: docs/DOC-3435
[03-Aug-2010 13:37:41] <gabrielcz> but, can you help me then
[03-Aug-2010 13:37:56] <gabrielcz> to try a few commands? then I can continue alone
[03-Aug-2010 13:37:57] <mray> yeah, just download it, unzip it and install it through the UI
[03-Aug-2010 13:38:05] <gabrielcz> I know how to install a zenpack
[03-Aug-2010 13:38:09] <gabrielcz> okis,
[03-Aug-2010 13:38:14] <gabrielcz> give me 4 minutes .d
[03-Aug-2010 13:38:15] <gabrielcz> :)
[03-Aug-2010 13:39:01] <rmatte> twm1010: yeh, that would be nice
[03-Aug-2010 13:39:17] <gabrielcz> done: ZenPacks.zenoss.LinuxMonitor
[03-Aug-2010 13:39:20] <gabrielcz> installed
[03-Aug-2010 13:39:33] <rmatte> install the LinuxMonitor add-on pack too
[03-Aug-2010 13:39:37] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[03-Aug-2010 13:39:42] <gabrielcz> I have a linux machine, rigth on same lan that zenoss server
[03-Aug-2010 13:40:04] <gabrielcz> linuxmonitor?
[03-Aug-2010 13:40:11] <gabrielcz> give me a second tu undestand
[03-Aug-2010 13:40:27] <gabrielcz> from here to?
[03-Aug-2010 13:40:28] <gabrielcz> docs/DOC-3435
[03-Aug-2010 13:40:48] <mray> yes
[03-Aug-2010 13:41:07] <gabrielcz> hoo.. yers yes
[03-Aug-2010 13:41:09] <rmatte> and here: docs/DOC-3493
[03-Aug-2010 13:41:30] <gabrielcz> I have download (ZenPacks.zenoss.LinuxMonitor-1.1.5-py2.6.egg.zip (33.1 K) becouse Im using version 3 of zenoss
[03-Aug-2010 13:41:33] <gabrielcz> that is rigth?
[03-Aug-2010 13:41:50] <gabrielcz> Haaa ok ok ok
[03-Aug-2010 13:42:16] <gabrielcz> that is for zenoss 2.2 (im using 3) is ok?? I need to install it?
[03-Aug-2010 13:43:11] <gabrielcz> ZenPacks.community.LinuxMonitorAddOn-1.0-py2.4.egg.zip (11.1 K) I need to install this on zenoss server to? like a normal zenpack?
[03-Aug-2010 13:43:22] <mray> no
[03-Aug-2010 13:43:39] <mray> if you're using Zenoss 3.0, use ZenPacks.zenoss.LinuxMonitor-1.1.5-py2.6.egg
[03-Aug-2010 13:44:01] <gabrielcz> done: I have installed
[03-Aug-2010 13:44:25] <mray> ok, go to Advanced->Daemons and restart zopectl
[03-Aug-2010 13:45:54] <gabrielcz> done.
[03-Aug-2010 13:46:43] <mray> now go move your Linux machine to /Devices/Server/SSH/Linux
[03-Aug-2010 13:47:20] <gabrielcz> how can i do that? (i was looking and not found yesterday)
[03-Aug-2010 13:47:27] <gabrielcz> so I delete and readd a machine.
[03-Aug-2010 13:47:36] <gabrielcz> howto change that ?
[03-Aug-2010 13:48:45] <LarsN> If I wanted to remove all monitoring templates from: /device/server/freebsd/supermax/jails how would I go about doing that?
[03-Aug-2010 13:48:49] <LarsN> on zenoss 3
[03-Aug-2010 13:49:11] <rmatte> LarsN: just unbind them
[03-Aug-2010 13:49:19] <LarsN> gabrielcz: on zenoss 3, you should be able to drag/drop from current to new
[03-Aug-2010 13:49:23] <LarsN> gabrielcz: class.
[03-Aug-2010 13:49:42] <LarsN> rmatte: under advanced/monitoringtemplates/device_class?
[03-Aug-2010 13:50:00] <rmatte> LarsN: go to infrastructure, select that class, then in the bottom left there are menus
[03-Aug-2010 13:50:04] <rmatte> select the menu with the gear icon
[03-Aug-2010 13:50:06] <LarsN> ahhh
[03-Aug-2010 13:50:07] <mray> LarsN: go to the device class and click on Details. Then click on the template
[03-Aug-2010 13:50:08] <rmatte> select bind templates
[03-Aug-2010 13:50:10] <LarsN> my bad ;)
[03-Aug-2010 13:50:13] <mray> yeah, what rmatte said
[03-Aug-2010 13:50:15] <LarsN> looking in the wrong place for the right thing.
[03-Aug-2010 13:50:19] <rmatte> make sure the selected field is completely blank
[03-Aug-2010 13:50:21] <rmatte> and click save
[03-Aug-2010 13:50:23] <mray> it'll be easier in 3.0.2
[03-Aug-2010 13:50:29] <gabrielcz> LarsN: not get the idea, sorry.. where I can find classes and servers on same screen?
[03-Aug-2010 13:50:36] <rmatte> mray: doesn't get much easier than that lol
[03-Aug-2010 13:51:01] <gabrielcz> where can I found the classes?
[03-Aug-2010 13:51:10] <rmatte> gabrielcz: in the infrastructure section :P
[03-Aug-2010 13:51:14] <rocket> rmatte: with your 100 events do you have ping suppression working?
[03-Aug-2010 13:51:16] <rmatte> there are devices on the right, classes on the left
[03-Aug-2010 13:51:34] <mray> rmatte: well, under Advanced->Monitoring Templates we list each template with the overrides below, we need to have each class with the templates it's using as well
[03-Aug-2010 13:51:37] <rmatte> rocket: no, it's impossible for me to have a complete topology for my clients
[03-Aug-2010 13:51:37] <LarsN> hopefully the last dumb question for the day.
[03-Aug-2010 13:51:45] <rmatte> rocket: layer 3 topology is useless
[03-Aug-2010 13:51:47] <LarsN> is there an easy way to kick off a mass remodel?
[03-Aug-2010 13:51:54] <mray> LarsN: from the CLI
[03-Aug-2010 13:51:59] <gabrielcz> rmatte: and sub section ? :D
[03-Aug-2010 13:52:05] <LarsN> mray: rgr.
[03-Aug-2010 13:52:10] <mray> LarsN: you can use the -p flag I believe to pick an organizer
[03-Aug-2010 13:52:18] <rmatte> gabrielcz: obviously click on the arrow next to the parent section
[03-Aug-2010 13:52:19] <LarsN> thanks much guys.
[03-Aug-2010 13:52:26] <LarsN> I'm getting more familiar with the new UI.
[03-Aug-2010 13:52:27] <rmatte> gabrielcz: have you never used a tree view before?
[03-Aug-2010 13:52:43] <LarsN> I can see it being better. It's just enough different that i'll admit to being lost.
[03-Aug-2010 13:53:00] <gabrielcz> hoo dude...
[03-Aug-2010 13:53:03] <gabrielcz> now i get it
[03-Aug-2010 13:53:13] <rmatte> lol
[03-Aug-2010 13:53:15] <gabrielcz> sorry
[03-Aug-2010 13:53:29] <rmatte> all good
[03-Aug-2010 13:53:41] <mray> LarsN: zenmodeler run -p /Devices/Server/Linux
[03-Aug-2010 13:53:47] <mray> for example
[03-Aug-2010 13:53:57] <LarsN> yup, found that.
[03-Aug-2010 13:53:58] <LarsN> :)
[03-Aug-2010 13:54:10] <LarsN> zenmodeler --help :)
[03-Aug-2010 13:54:15] <gabrielcz> done, I move my server from /devices/linux to /server/ssh/linux
[03-Aug-2010 13:54:20] <mray> I kept trying to get that added to the new UI
[03-Aug-2010 13:54:34] <LarsN> mray: it'd be awesome to have a class based re-model button
[03-Aug-2010 13:54:49] <mray> gabrielcz: now go to your device or device class and set the user/password or user/ssh key
[03-Aug-2010 13:54:52] <LarsN> mray: for if/when you add/change templates at the device class
[03-Aug-2010 13:54:57] <mray> yes
[03-Aug-2010 13:56:03] <nickanderson> ODD, I have 15 devices in a device class, with no subclasses yet the little number next to the device class shows 17
[03-Aug-2010 13:56:16] <mray> nickanderson: are there any that are decommisioned?
[03-Aug-2010 13:56:22] <mray> or at another production state?
[03-Aug-2010 13:56:30] <iancmcc> cdp
[03-Aug-2010 13:56:32] <LarsN> mray: for what it's worth, 4 sysadmins at our company all petition for the button. ;)
[03-Aug-2010 13:56:32] <nickanderson> i dont think so
[03-Aug-2010 13:56:33] <iancmcc> bah sorry
[03-Aug-2010 13:56:49] <rmatte> LarsN: what button?
[03-Aug-2010 13:56:59] <LarsN> rmatte: remodel all class devices
[03-Aug-2010 13:57:01] <LarsN> via the UI
[03-Aug-2010 13:57:04] <rmatte> oh
[03-Aug-2010 13:57:08] <rmatte> yeh, that would be nice
[03-Aug-2010 13:57:14] <gabrielcz> mray: done: I setup my username account and passwd
[03-Aug-2010 13:57:22] <mray> LarsN: open another enhancement ticket for that, I can't find the one I thought I opened
[03-Aug-2010 13:57:23] <rmatte> I'd honestly just like to be able to select devices right in the device list, and select to remodel them
[03-Aug-2010 13:57:30] <gabrielcz> (can be a normal shell user?)
[03-Aug-2010 13:57:56] <LarsN> mray: I'll do that. I'm going to create a list of things today/tomorrow and submit them in a batch.
[03-Aug-2010 13:58:00] <rmatte> yes, normal shell
[03-Aug-2010 13:58:03] <nickanderson> oh yes, there were two hiding in pre-production
[03-Aug-2010 13:58:20] <gabrielcz> I do: zCommandPassword <--- shell passwd
[03-Aug-2010 13:58:31] <gabrielcz> and zCommandUsername: the username of shell
[03-Aug-2010 13:58:34] <gabrielcz> thats done
[03-Aug-2010 13:58:49] <rmatte> good, now model your device
[03-Aug-2010 13:59:42] <gabrielcz> modeler pluggins and drag n drop the zenoss.cmd.linux.memory for example? thats right?
[03-Aug-2010 14:04:36] <gabrielcz> rmatte: how can I be sure that remote commands are working?
[03-Aug-2010 14:19:26] <rmatte> gabrielcz: click on the data source in the template, there's a test option
[03-Aug-2010 14:19:31] <rmatte> enter in a device name and click test
[03-Aug-2010 14:21:50] <Orv> OK, something's broken. MySQL is running, but ZenOSS think's it's not. Where do I look first?
[03-Aug-2010 14:22:27] <rmatte> Orv: how do you know it's running?
[03-Aug-2010 14:22:47] <rmatte> and what indication are you getting that tells you that Zenoss doesn't think it's running?
[03-Aug-2010 14:23:10] <Orv> rmatte: service mysqld status (CentOS box) says it's running
[03-Aug-2010 14:23:18] <Orv> service zenoss-stack status says it's stopped
[03-Aug-2010 14:23:34] <Orv> This was working OK Thursday...
[03-Aug-2010 14:24:02] <rmatte> Orv: do you have multiple instances of MySQL running on there?
[03-Aug-2010 14:24:16] <Orv> rmatte: Not to my knowledge - how can I verify that?
[03-Aug-2010 14:24:24] <rmatte> well, let's put it this way...
[03-Aug-2010 14:24:33] <rmatte> Zenoss comes with it's own MySQL server packaged in to it
[03-Aug-2010 14:24:46] <Orv> Oh -Hrm - that could be a problem.
[03-Aug-2010 14:24:50] <rmatte> "service mysqld status" would generally refer to a system installation of MySQL
[03-Aug-2010 14:25:00] <Orv> Yeeah....
[03-Aug-2010 14:25:01] <rmatte> so chances are that you have a system install of it and the Zenoss install of it
[03-Aug-2010 14:25:07] <Orv> Yep. I suspect so.
[03-Aug-2010 14:25:15] <Orv> What's the fix? Just remove the system install?
[03-Aug-2010 14:25:35] <Orv> oops - ps -ax reveals that you are correct..
[03-Aug-2010 14:25:42] <rmatte> well, if you're not using it for anything
[03-Aug-2010 14:25:50] <rmatte> but probably all you have to do is: /etc/init.d/zenoss-stack mysql start
[03-Aug-2010 14:26:35] <rmatte> sorry...
[03-Aug-2010 14:26:59] <rmatte> /etc/init.d/zenoss-stack start mysql
[03-Aug-2010 14:27:01] <rmatte> rather
[03-Aug-2010 14:28:01] <rmatte> I wouldn't bother running the system install if you don't have to
[03-Aug-2010 14:30:36] <gabrielcz> rmatte: I will do it
[03-Aug-2010 14:31:32] <gabrielcz> how can I go to the templates? from advanced? theres is the place?
[03-Aug-2010 14:32:27] <gabrielcz> I can not find "test" option
[03-Aug-2010 14:32:28] <gabrielcz> :(
[03-Aug-2010 14:33:00] <chachan> rmatte, I can't found how to return a "valid" answer with a datasource script (type: command). I read a forum post saying that I need to make sys.exit(1) event still isn't clear
[03-Aug-2010 14:34:14] <chachan> I can't found it in the admin guide :s
[03-Aug-2010 14:36:11] <eidolon> use
[03-Aug-2010 14:36:13] <eidolon> oops
[03-Aug-2010 14:36:46] <eidolon> is there a way to purger the history events database? we have bzillions of events, and really odn't need them anymore
[03-Aug-2010 14:36:47] <gabrielcz> rmatte: I think is working dude
[03-Aug-2010 14:37:03] <gabrielcz> I keep my own from here.
[03-Aug-2010 14:37:13] <gabrielcz> THANKS YOU !!!!! really thanks
[03-Aug-2010 14:37:26] <gabrielcz> I keep here if I have another question :D
[03-Aug-2010 14:37:27] <mrayzenoss> eidolon: you can log into MySQL
[03-Aug-2010 14:38:16] <eidolon> yeah, that's what one of our guys is dong
[03-Aug-2010 14:38:26] <eidolon> something like: delete * FROM `history` WHERE `prodState` <= 200
[03-Aug-2010 14:38:42] <rocket> mrayzenoss: there is a command that will purge them too .. not sure if that is enterprise only though
[03-Aug-2010 14:38:59] <eidolon> we're enterprise :)
[03-Aug-2010 14:39:04] <eidolon> what's the command?
[03-Aug-2010 14:39:15] <rocket> cant remember .. looking
[03-Aug-2010 14:41:10] <rocket> eidolon: there is a script in Products/ZenUtils/ZenDeleteHistory.py
[03-Aug-2010 14:41:15] <eidolon> oo
[03-Aug-2010 14:41:32] <eidolon> awesome, thanks rocket
[03-Aug-2010 14:41:33] <rocket> -n NUMDAYS, --numDays=NUMDAYS
[03-Aug-2010 14:41:34] <rocket> Number of days of history to keep
[03-Aug-2010 14:41:34] <rocket> -d DEVICE, --device=DEVICE
[03-Aug-2010 14:41:34] <rocket> Specific device for which to delete events (optional)
[03-Aug-2010 14:41:34] <rocket> --severity=SEVERITY Only delete events of this severity.
[03-Aug-2010 14:41:36] <rocket> --cleanup Cleanup alert_state, log and detail tables
[03-Aug-2010 14:41:38] <rocket> --optimize Optimize tables after performing other operations
[03-Aug-2010 14:41:41] <chachan> mrayzenoss, I can't see where is that information in the admin guide
[03-Aug-2010 14:41:41] <rocket> --truncate Truncate (ERASE) entire history table
[03-Aug-2010 14:41:43] <rocket> --really You must be REALLY sure you want to truncate history
[03-Aug-2010 14:42:12] <chachan> mrayzenoss, about returning values to datasources from a script
[03-Aug-2010 14:42:29] <rocket> eidolon: contact support if you need a newer one .. we can send a more efficient one to you that shipped in 2.5.2 if needed
[03-Aug-2010 14:42:44] <chachan> are you sure is in the admin guide?
[03-Aug-2010 14:42:48] <gabrielcz> wooowwwww
[03-Aug-2010 14:42:56] <nickanderson> Ugh
[03-Aug-2010 14:43:12] <gabrielcz> rmatte: you steel here? I have a LITTLE question :P
[03-Aug-2010 14:43:14] <eidolon> we're in 2.5.2 i believe
[03-Aug-2010 14:43:38] <rocket> 2.5.2 may have a new enough one .. I think 2.4 was a performance hog on this ..
[03-Aug-2010 14:44:02] <chachan> I tried to return by using: sys.exit(1)
[03-Aug-2010 14:44:07] <rocket> eidolon: its just doing the same thing your dba is doing though
[03-Aug-2010 14:44:43] <nickanderson> So I copied the ethernetCsmacd and ethernetCsmacd_64 templates to /Server/Linux/domU so I can override the threshold for high utilization (poorly detected nic speed on Xen domUs). But I get an error about the threshold expression
[03-Aug-2010 14:44:50] <nickanderson> even before i ever modify the expression
[03-Aug-2010 14:45:11] <eidolon> might be a bit generous calling him a dba, but gotcha :)
[03-Aug-2010 14:46:32] <gabrielcz> stupid question: Can 1 HOST, uses more than one template??? thats right or is somethins stupid? example: If I have a linux box, (I will use device/linux, and if same box have a mysql servers installed, i need to add to template mysql/server too?
[03-Aug-2010 14:46:45] <gabrielcz> I don´t know if i was clear!? (my english suxs)
[03-Aug-2010 14:47:54] <mrayzenoss> gabrielcz: yes, you can use lots of templates
[03-Aug-2010 14:48:21] <gabrielcz> So, I have a linux box, running mysql
[03-Aug-2010 14:48:51] <gabrielcz> how can I add mysql template without taking box from (device/linux/ssh) ?
[03-Aug-2010 14:49:13] <nickanderson> you bind the template you want to the host
[03-Aug-2010 14:49:44] <gabrielcz> how? :)
[03-Aug-2010 14:49:54] <nickanderson> navigate to the host
[03-Aug-2010 14:50:06] <gabrielcz> im there :)
[03-Aug-2010 14:50:19] <nickanderson> the middle button in bottom left corner
[03-Aug-2010 14:50:22] <nickanderson> click that
[03-Aug-2010 14:50:28] <twm1010> that guy doing the plone 4 zenoss stuff never did any screenshots did he
[03-Aug-2010 14:50:30] <nickanderson> then there is a bind template option
[03-Aug-2010 14:50:52] <gabrielcz> yes
[03-Aug-2010 14:50:56] <gabrielcz> hoooo dude
[03-Aug-2010 14:51:02] <gabrielcz> you give me LIFE :D
[03-Aug-2010 14:51:06] <gabrielcz> Now I get it :)
[03-Aug-2010 14:51:08] <gabrielcz> jejeje
[03-Aug-2010 14:51:21] <gabrielcz> NOW
[03-Aug-2010 14:51:27] <gabrielcz> I have ONE MORE question
[03-Aug-2010 14:51:38] <gabrielcz> LAST for today :D
[03-Aug-2010 14:51:39] <gabrielcz> jjee
[03-Aug-2010 14:51:41] <nickanderson> nope
[03-Aug-2010 14:51:42] <nickanderson> its not
[03-Aug-2010 14:51:44] <nickanderson> trust me
[03-Aug-2010 14:51:46] <nickanderson> you will have more
[03-Aug-2010 14:51:51] <gabrielcz> not today
[03-Aug-2010 14:51:57] <gabrielcz> becouse a taxi is comming :P
[03-Aug-2010 14:52:00] <gabrielcz> I need to go
[03-Aug-2010 14:52:01] <gabrielcz> jejeje
[03-Aug-2010 14:52:02] <gabrielcz> but..
[03-Aug-2010 14:52:05] <chachan> lol
[03-Aug-2010 14:52:10] <nickanderson> you may not have questions about this, and you might not ask, btu you will have questions
[03-Aug-2010 14:52:13] <gabrielcz> do you know mysql zenpack?
[03-Aug-2010 14:52:23] <gabrielcz> where can I give username/passwd ?
[03-Aug-2010 14:52:25] <nickanderson> not really, i think its ssh based collection
[03-Aug-2010 14:52:29] <nickanderson> on the device
[03-Aug-2010 14:52:37] <gabrielcz> ok.
[03-Aug-2010 14:52:38] <nickanderson> configuration properties i think
[03-Aug-2010 14:52:52] <nickanderson> thats where you might put your ssh key for the mysql server from the zenoss server
[03-Aug-2010 14:52:59] <LarsN> besides the zenbatchload command, is there a command line method to add a single device?
[03-Aug-2010 14:53:22] <LarsN> also, at the time a device is added, could templates be bound to it & overridden to local copies, then configured?
[03-Aug-2010 14:53:40] <gabrielcz> on mysql Username I have this: ${here/zMySqlUsername}
[03-Aug-2010 14:53:47] <nickanderson> yeh
[03-Aug-2010 14:53:49] <gabrielcz> I need to change that?
[03-Aug-2010 14:53:52] <nickanderson> so in configuration properties
[03-Aug-2010 14:53:57] <nickanderson> not in the template
[03-Aug-2010 14:54:00] <nickanderson> on the device
[03-Aug-2010 14:54:04] <gabrielcz> ok.
[03-Aug-2010 14:54:05] <nickanderson> Configuration Properties
[03-Aug-2010 14:54:14] <LarsN> gabrielcz: I make sure to add a user "zenoss" to each of my MySQL servers, and put "zenoss" in that field.
[03-Aug-2010 14:54:20] <nickanderson> there should be a zMySqlUsername field
[03-Aug-2010 14:54:27] <nickanderson> fill that in
[03-Aug-2010 14:54:38] <gabrielcz> hooooo
[03-Aug-2010 14:54:53] <gabrielcz> LarsN: I did not know that.. So, I need to add zenozz user!?
[03-Aug-2010 14:54:56] <gabrielcz> ok.
[03-Aug-2010 14:55:03] <gabrielcz> well boys...
[03-Aug-2010 14:55:07] <LarsN> gabrielcz: you don't have to, you could use another existing mysql user.
[03-Aug-2010 14:55:18] <gabrielcz> Haa ok
[03-Aug-2010 14:55:21] <nickanderson> LarsN, why overriding so many templates LarsN
[03-Aug-2010 14:55:22] <LarsN> gabrielcz: creating a user "zenoss" allows me to define controls on that user, and be more secure.
[03-Aug-2010 14:55:22] <nickanderson> ?
[03-Aug-2010 14:55:25] <gabrielcz> and where I change the suer?
[03-Aug-2010 14:55:31] <LarsN> nickanderson: specifically httpmonitor
[03-Aug-2010 14:55:50] <LarsN> nickanderson: each server is going to have it's own monitored URL which unfortunately never matches the hostname.
[03-Aug-2010 14:56:01] <nickanderson> Yes, I have a situation like that
[03-Aug-2010 14:56:15] <nickanderson> I think that rather than override the template, its better to use a custom property
[03-Aug-2010 14:56:27] <LarsN> nickanderson: servers like app37.domain.com hosts http://somesite.somedomain.org
[03-Aug-2010 14:56:29] <nickanderson> and you set that custom property on each host
[03-Aug-2010 14:56:42] <nickanderson> LarsN, yeah sounds very similar to my situatuion
[03-Aug-2010 14:56:53] <nickanderson> gosh, i dunno where to create in 3.0
[03-Aug-2010 14:56:55] <LarsN> nickanderson: what if you wanted to monitor each site hosted on a server.
[03-Aug-2010 14:57:04] <nickanderson> yeh
[03-Aug-2010 14:57:10] <LarsN> nickanderson: at that point would you override?
[03-Aug-2010 14:57:16] <LarsN> or additional zproperties
[03-Aug-2010 14:57:32] <nickanderson> try never to override beacuse you lose the inheritance if you change the template
[03-Aug-2010 14:57:41] <nickanderson> i think custom properties are the way to go
[03-Aug-2010 14:58:27] <nickanderson> so navicate to infrastructure
[03-Aug-2010 14:58:36] <nickanderson> then the details for devices
[03-Aug-2010 14:58:39] <LarsN> nickanderson: with custom properties do you believe you can monitor more than one url on a single device?
[03-Aug-2010 14:58:40] <nickanderson> then add a custom Schema
[03-Aug-2010 14:58:54] <nickanderson> I do each url as a device
[03-Aug-2010 14:59:00] <LarsN> ahhh.
[03-Aug-2010 14:59:11] <nickanderson> in that case you may not need to custom properties
[03-Aug-2010 14:59:35] <LarsN> I'd love to be able to monitor a device. ie app35, with (list of urls)
[03-Aug-2010 14:59:36] <nickanderson> I needed them for monitoring our LB servers
[03-Aug-2010 15:00:02] <nickanderson> LarsN, yeah i dont think zenoss is designed like that. I mean you can. but you kind of lose a lot of the benefit
[03-Aug-2010 15:00:02] <LarsN> although I can see the advantage in your method as well.
[03-Aug-2010 15:00:41] <nickanderson> I think the "zenoss way" would be to create a device class, system, or group called app35 and still all the urls in there
[03-Aug-2010 15:00:52] <nickanderson> but yeah i know what ya mean
[03-Aug-2010 15:00:56] <nickanderson> i tried it that way
[03-Aug-2010 15:01:09] <nickanderson> felt like i was fighting the system too much
[03-Aug-2010 15:01:11] <LarsN> I'll have to have a system named app35 as I need the rest of the snmp data as well.
[03-Aug-2010 15:01:22] <LarsN> hmmm.
[03-Aug-2010 15:01:29] <LarsN> time to setup my VM for testing
[03-Aug-2010 15:01:33] <twm1010> do you plan to change the templates that often?
[03-Aug-2010 15:01:38] <twm1010> inheritance is nice, i suppose
[03-Aug-2010 15:01:41] <LarsN> see what I can get away with.
[03-Aug-2010 15:01:54] <nickanderson> So do a device named app35, then do a system called app35 and put all url devices into that system
[03-Aug-2010 15:02:12] <LarsN> nickanderson: that's worth looking into.
[03-Aug-2010 15:02:17] <LarsN> thank god for virtualbox.
[03-Aug-2010 15:02:25] <nickanderson> yeah, i dont have a good answer for myself yet
[03-Aug-2010 15:02:29] <LarsN> I can snapshot my vm, do terrible things to id
[03-Aug-2010 15:02:31] <LarsN> it
[03-Aug-2010 15:02:36] <LarsN> and revert as necessary ;)
[03-Aug-2010 15:02:40] <nickanderson> still developing, my biggest problem is not being an organized person to begin with
[03-Aug-2010 15:02:47] <nickanderson> indeed snapshot/revert is nice
[03-Aug-2010 15:03:15] <LarsN> I'm finding the Zenoss 3.0 UI is hurting my feelings. It's nice, and I actually can see where once I get used to it, it'll be a lot better.
[03-Aug-2010 15:03:18] <LarsN> but I'm so lost. ;)
[03-Aug-2010 15:03:28] <nickanderson> no kidding
[03-Aug-2010 15:03:31] <nickanderson> ive been running in circle
[03-Aug-2010 15:03:32] <nickanderson> s
[03-Aug-2010 15:03:42] <nickanderson> the whole drag and drop devices thing was an adventure
[03-Aug-2010 15:03:57] <LarsN> I kept grabbing the device name
[03-Aug-2010 15:04:00] <twm1010> its better than my backup software :)
[03-Aug-2010 15:04:02] <LarsN> which wouldn't drag.
[03-Aug-2010 15:04:09] <LarsN> twm1010: my backup software is amanda. ;)
[03-Aug-2010 15:04:12] <nickanderson> almost wish right click would be overridden and provide a context menu
[03-Aug-2010 15:04:17] <LarsN> command line configuration, on the server only.
[03-Aug-2010 15:04:26] <iancmcc> LarsN: the drag thing's a ticket I fixed yesterday, will be in 3.0.2
[03-Aug-2010 15:04:26] <rocket> LarsN: there is a bug for that .. to have a handle icon or something to drag ..
[03-Aug-2010 15:04:37] <rocket> oooo ian is quick :)
[03-Aug-2010 15:04:49] <LarsN> rocket, iancmcc: now that I know where it is, I love the funcationality
[03-Aug-2010 15:04:51] <iancmcc> not a handle icon, just made it so the browser can't control the drag event
[03-Aug-2010 15:04:57] <LarsN> I just found myself confused.
[03-Aug-2010 15:05:05] <rocket> iancmcc: nice :)
[03-Aug-2010 15:05:10] <rocket> even better
[03-Aug-2010 15:05:18] <twm1010> LarsN: I've thought about looking at Amanda
[03-Aug-2010 15:05:32] <LarsN> twm1010: it's got some ups, and some downs.
[03-Aug-2010 15:05:40] <LarsN> it's biggest flaw is it doesn't do de-duplication.
[03-Aug-2010 15:05:42] <rocket> LarsN: did amanda ever change it so you could backup more than once a day?
[03-Aug-2010 15:05:45] <LarsN> other than that it works pretty well for us.
[03-Aug-2010 15:05:59] <LarsN> rocket: our backups take 16 hours. so.... I couldn't tell ya.
[03-Aug-2010 15:06:13] <LarsN> it should let you run whenever you want. It's just triggered via cron.
[03-Aug-2010 15:06:16] <nickanderson> So, i really dont get it. Why when I copy ethernetcmasd to a device class can it no longer read values
[03-Aug-2010 15:06:38] <rocket> they didnt have uniq timestamps or something last I recall .. or it went to a different tape etc ..
[03-Aug-2010 15:06:49] <rocket> this was probably 5 years ago I played with it though
[03-Aug-2010 15:07:05] <LarsN> rocket: nod. we only run once a day, so I really don't have an answer for you.
[03-Aug-2010 15:07:07] <rocket> been using tivoli at my last job ..
[03-Aug-2010 15:07:12] <twm1010> well, once we're off netware i'll take a look at it
[03-Aug-2010 15:07:16] <rocket> now I dont worry about it .. :p
[03-Aug-2010 15:07:22] <twm1010> I'm stlil protecting 7TB of data on NetWare servers
[03-Aug-2010 15:07:25] <LarsN> once I get through this Zenoss Project, my next one is to take amanda on a date, and get her a makeover.
[03-Aug-2010 15:07:40] <LarsN> trying to cut those 14+ hour backups down to ~ 8 hours.
[03-Aug-2010 15:07:48] <LarsN> optimization.... :/
[03-Aug-2010 15:08:15] <twm1010> I'm pushing to convert our NetApp VTL into a FAS to use as a snapvault secondary
[03-Aug-2010 15:08:18] <nickanderson> I get errors reading data on if<fillinblank> from ethernetCsmacd after copying the template to /Server/Linux/domU
[03-Aug-2010 15:08:27] <LarsN> twm1010: I'm backing up ~ 200 FreeBSD & CentOS linux devices.
[03-Aug-2010 15:08:28] <twm1010> that way I can snapshot our primary filer, and our servers to it
[03-Aug-2010 15:08:32] <LarsN> about 95% FreeBSD
[03-Aug-2010 15:08:48] <nickanderson> psssht, no one cares about backups
[03-Aug-2010 15:08:57] <twm1010> that's right, until they need something restored
[03-Aug-2010 15:09:03] <nickanderson> imho its only restore they care about
[03-Aug-2010 15:09:04] <LarsN> nickanderson: you're right. Real men backup to Floppies.
[03-Aug-2010 15:09:37] <nickanderson> had a server tank, lost about 5 hours worth of work, and this guy wants to run continual rsyncs now
[03-Aug-2010 15:09:40] <LarsN> nickanderson: 110% accurate
[03-Aug-2010 15:09:41] <nickanderson> or asked about it
[03-Aug-2010 15:09:57] <LarsN> nickanderson: we have that for customers who pay extra.
[03-Aug-2010 15:10:01] <nickanderson> annoying, how often does that happen? RARELY, how much data lost minimal
[03-Aug-2010 15:10:04] <nickanderson> this is internal
[03-Aug-2010 15:10:10] <nickanderson> and its not critical
[03-Aug-2010 15:10:13] <LarsN> Three OpenSolaris machines running large(ish) ZFS arrays.
[03-Aug-2010 15:10:27] <nickanderson> would have done drbd or something if it were critical
[03-Aug-2010 15:10:42] <LarsN> shown as iscsi targets, or nfs mounts. Replicating every 5min from stor1 --> 2,3
[03-Aug-2010 15:11:00] <LarsN> 3 is off-site in our "business continuity center" (love that buzz term:)
[03-Aug-2010 15:11:23] <twm1010> that's because executive types didn't like hearing the word disaster
[03-Aug-2010 15:11:26] <LarsN> heh
[03-Aug-2010 15:11:29] <nickanderson> wait till the customer finds out the business continuity center is the it directors basement
[03-Aug-2010 15:11:43] <LarsN> heh
[03-Aug-2010 15:11:50] <LarsN> ours is in a 100 year old bank vault.
[03-Aug-2010 15:12:09] <LarsN> with a generator, and better than average UPSs
[03-Aug-2010 15:12:28] <LarsN> pretty sure we can drop the rest of the building on the vault, and not lose the site.
[03-Aug-2010 15:28:48] <chachan> I'm getting this: Cmd: $ZENHOME/libexec/hgstatus.py --device server.com - Code: 2 - Msg: Misuse of shell builtins
[03-Aug-2010 15:29:30] <chachan> does anyone know about it?
[03-Aug-2010 15:31:34] LarsN is now known as LarsN_Away
[03-Aug-2010 15:33:10] <chachan> hgstatus is an own script and "--device server.com" is just parameters pass to this script
[03-Aug-2010 15:34:07] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[03-Aug-2010 15:34:20] <cgibbons> software development lesson # 8901328 - don't add stupid features
[03-Aug-2010 15:34:40] <mray> stupid features need the most love
[03-Aug-2010 15:34:46] <gemineye> mray: just for you, I put my nick back to what I had last year :)
[03-Aug-2010 15:35:35] <mray> ahh, that's why your other nick showed up as offline
[03-Aug-2010 15:35:43] <mray> so I emailed a response
[03-Aug-2010 15:35:54] <gemineye> I got it, I can do webex, send it to you?
[03-Aug-2010 15:35:58] <mray> yes please
[03-Aug-2010 15:36:01] <twm1010> stupid features eh?
[03-Aug-2010 15:36:40] <mray> cgibbons: any feature in particular?
[03-Aug-2010 15:37:10] <cgibbons> oh just that ip interface thing
[03-Aug-2010 15:37:25] <cgibbons> it turns out there is a zProperty to flag if the Descr column should be visible in the old UI
[03-Aug-2010 15:37:34] <gemineye> sent
[03-Aug-2010 15:42:44] <nickanderson> etf
[03-Aug-2010 15:42:52] <nickanderson> garrrr, this is annoyin
[03-Aug-2010 16:49:45] <scoil_> hey all... im having an issue with a fresh install of zenoss core via x32 .deb installed on debian lenny
[03-Aug-2010 16:50:06] <scoil_> I do not have the add button on any sub tabs of advanced
[03-Aug-2010 16:50:18] <scoil_> particularly in the users section
[03-Aug-2010 16:51:58] <scoil_> this is 3.0
[03-Aug-2010 17:05:16] <JonnyV> can u specify scoil_ ?
[03-Aug-2010 17:05:34] <JonnyV> advanced->Users or whatever
[03-Aug-2010 17:07:16] <scoil_> yes
[03-Aug-2010 17:07:27] <scoil_> advanced > users
[03-Aug-2010 17:07:42] <scoil_> is missing the + button
[03-Aug-2010 17:07:50] <scoil_> so i am unable to add users
[03-Aug-2010 17:09:13] <JonnyV> dont u see the sun like button beside Users?
[03-Aug-2010 17:09:30] <JonnyV> the same besides Groups on the main window
[03-Aug-2010 17:09:46] <JonnyV> where user names are
[03-Aug-2010 17:11:29] <scoil_> no there are no buttons in any of the advanced sections
[03-Aug-2010 17:11:42] <scoil_> the buttons work find in other tabs but not under advanced
[03-Aug-2010 17:12:01] <scoil_> that is using both users created on install
[03-Aug-2010 17:12:15] <JonnyV> what roles the have?
[03-Aug-2010 17:13:12] <JonnyV> as manager i can see the context buttons there... im running redhat.
[03-Aug-2010 17:14:10] <scoil_> admin has no rolls and the additional user has manager
[03-Aug-2010 17:14:41] <scoil_> im thinking i should reinstall as this is on a virtual machine that was short on memory durring the initial install
[03-Aug-2010 17:14:56] <scoil_> may have been muck ups durring install since it ran out
[03-Aug-2010 17:15:34] <scoil_> mainly wanted to see if it was a known issue
[03-Aug-2010 17:28:12] <gabrielcz> Im back
[03-Aug-2010 17:29:25] <gabrielcz> question: If I try to run Cmd: $ZENHOME/libexec/check_mysql_stats.py -H 192.168.1.200 -p 3306 -u root -w 'passwd' -g - Code: 127 - Msg: Command not found
[03-Aug-2010 17:29:57] <gabrielcz> and off course, I can not find check_mysql_stats.py
[03-Aug-2010 17:30:08] <gabrielcz> but, I installed the zenpack
[03-Aug-2010 17:30:17] <gabrielcz> whith mistake I am making?
[03-Aug-2010 17:55:13] <cgibbons> stack installer?
[03-Aug-2010 18:31:53] <JonnyV> where does th network field is taken from in the device->component->IpInterface ?
[03-Aug-2010 18:32:38] <JonnyV> im getting a network class B and i think it is there from where maping info is taken from... but it is a class C
[03-Aug-2010 18:33:26] <JonnyV> it says eth0 10.20.10.3 10.20.0.0/16
[03-Aug-2010 18:33:35] <JonnyV> where is the mask taken from?
[03-Aug-2010 18:34:07] <straterra> From the netmask on the interface, I'd imagine
[03-Aug-2010 18:35:25] <JonnyV> i'd suppose so, but netmask on itnerface is 255.255.255.0
[03-Aug-2010 18:36:07] <straterra> Are you sure?
[03-Aug-2010 18:36:10] <JonnyV> its driving me crazy..
[03-Aug-2010 18:36:16] <JonnyV> yeps... ifconfig shows that
[03-Aug-2010 18:36:26] <straterra> and..what about the route entry?
[03-Aug-2010 18:37:27] <JonnyV> also
[03-Aug-2010 18:37:43] <JonnyV> also /24
[03-Aug-2010 18:40:02] <JonnyV> also from snmp im seeing it /24 doing an snmpwalk
[03-Aug-2010 18:40:14] <JonnyV> IP-MIB::ipAdEntNetMask.10.20.10.1 = IpAddress: 255.255.255.0
[03-Aug-2010 18:40:20] <JonnyV> really dunno
[03-Aug-2010 18:47:27] <JonnyV> thanks the same
[03-Aug-2010 18:47:32] <JonnyV> cheers guys
[03-Aug-2010 20:02:08] <gemineye> Dumb question, how do you assign a location to a device in 3.0?
[03-Aug-2010 20:04:01] <wtucker> gemineye: drag and drop (when you click to drag, click somewhere other than the name of the device)
[03-Aug-2010 20:06:11] <gemineye> Thanks, that's new for 3.0. Is there a way to set the default zoom? I only have one location right now and I don't need to see the front door, the neighborhood would suffice.
[03-Aug-2010 20:07:03] <wtucker> none that I know of
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[03-Aug-2010 20:53:43] <mray> gabrielcz: did you ever get your answer? It's because the 'mysql' command isn't in your path
[03-Aug-2010 21:50:07] <JonnyV> back
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[03-Aug-2010 23:33:35] <nickanderson> Looks like I am getting multiple emails from a single device going out
[03-Aug-2010 23:33:47] <nickanderson> I dont recall that being the case with 2.5.2
[03-Aug-2010 23:34:16] <nickanderson> err multiple components on a single device
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[04-Aug-2010 01:05:13] <gabrielcz> hey MrWGW
[04-Aug-2010 01:05:23] <gabrielcz> hi mray
[04-Aug-2010 01:05:51] <gabrielcz> no dude.. I think my mistake. I will try reinstalling it
[04-Aug-2010 01:05:57] <gabrielcz> im reading manual
[04-Aug-2010 01:39:47] <nickanderson> you said no more questions today
[04-Aug-2010 01:39:54] <nickanderson> ;)
[04-Aug-2010 01:48:34] <gabrielcz> hey..
[04-Aug-2010 01:48:39] <gabrielcz> is tomorrow here ...
[04-Aug-2010 01:48:41] <gabrielcz> jejeje
[04-Aug-2010 01:48:59] <gabrielcz> really good guide.. nickanderson you where here yesterdar?
[04-Aug-2010 01:49:22] <nickanderson> yes, i was talking to you before you caught a cab
[04-Aug-2010 01:49:29] <gabrielcz> jejejeje
[04-Aug-2010 01:49:35] <gabrielcz> dude. really sorry
[04-Aug-2010 01:49:40] <nickanderson> np
[04-Aug-2010 01:49:42] <gabrielcz> Im reading and undesstanding more thinks
[04-Aug-2010 01:50:05] <nickanderson> dont worry im still sure you will have questions
[04-Aug-2010 01:50:12] <nickanderson> the admin guide is good
[04-Aug-2010 01:50:13] <gabrielcz> I came here asking thinks a zenoss y wonderfull and .... not difficult but a little bet MORE software that i knew
[04-Aug-2010 01:50:35] <nickanderson> yeh you learn things as you use it
[04-Aug-2010 01:50:36] <gabrielcz> really good. like i say, thanks for the patience yestarday :)
[04-Aug-2010 01:50:41] <nickanderson> np
[04-Aug-2010 01:50:57] <gabrielcz> yes, I like to make a zenpack to monitoring mumble servers
[04-Aug-2010 01:51:05] <nickanderson> cool
[04-Aug-2010 01:51:12] <gabrielcz> you know mumble?
[04-Aug-2010 01:51:21] <nickanderson> yeh the growl like thing right
[04-Aug-2010 01:52:00] <nickanderson> isnt it some OSD message passing framework/display thing?
[04-Aug-2010 01:52:38] <gabrielcz> sorry
[04-Aug-2010 01:52:44] <gabrielcz> i was translating growl world
[04-Aug-2010 01:52:49] <gabrielcz> and I dont get it...
[04-Aug-2010 01:52:53] <nickanderson> mac osx, growl
[04-Aug-2010 01:52:57] <nickanderson> no translation needed
[04-Aug-2010 01:53:00] <gabrielcz> hooowwwwww
[04-Aug-2010 01:53:06] <gabrielcz> I know growl
[04-Aug-2010 01:53:10] <gabrielcz> Im using all time.
[04-Aug-2010 01:53:30] <gabrielcz> im mac user
[04-Aug-2010 01:53:43] <gabrielcz> no
[04-Aug-2010 01:53:43] <nickanderson> thats what mubmble is like right?
[04-Aug-2010 01:53:49] <gabrielcz> mumble is a teamspeak similar
[04-Aug-2010 01:53:55] <gabrielcz> opensource project
[04-Aug-2010 01:54:01] <nickanderson> oh i was thinking http://www.mumbles-project.org/
[04-Aug-2010 01:54:13] <gabrielcz> no no
[04-Aug-2010 01:54:24] <gabrielcz> http://mumble.sourceforge.net/
[04-Aug-2010 01:54:29] <gabrielcz> ;)
[04-Aug-2010 01:54:33] <nickanderson> ah
[04-Aug-2010 01:54:41] <gabrielcz> really nice project
[04-Aug-2010 01:54:55] <gabrielcz> you know ventrilo or teamspeak?
[04-Aug-2010 01:55:07] <nickanderson> some game thing?
[04-Aug-2010 01:55:11] <gabrielcz> yes..
[04-Aug-2010 01:55:31] <gabrielcz> like this freenode, same structure, servers, channels, persons
[04-Aug-2010 01:55:39] <gabrielcz> chatting, not typing
[04-Aug-2010 01:55:43] <nickanderson> ah
[04-Aug-2010 01:55:45] <gabrielcz> and playing games same time
[04-Aug-2010 01:55:49] <nickanderson> cool
[04-Aug-2010 01:55:53] <gabrielcz> low ping, low resources.. for gamers
[04-Aug-2010 01:56:03] <gabrielcz> and opensource off course
[04-Aug-2010 01:56:24] <gabrielcz> well, Im on a project involvid drupal multisites a mumble instances
[04-Aug-2010 01:56:33] <gabrielcz> and I need to monitoring all that
[04-Aug-2010 01:56:40] <gabrielcz> so, im reading ..
[04-Aug-2010 01:56:55] <gabrielcz> 2.5. Administration of the manual jejje
[04-Aug-2010 01:57:55] <nickanderson> nifty
[04-Aug-2010 01:59:39] <nickanderson> I still havent gotten into the modelers yet
[04-Aug-2010 01:59:55] <nickanderson> all of my custom monitoring ive been doing with nagios style scripts
[04-Aug-2010 02:00:26] <nickanderson> perhaps at some point ill pick up some deeper knowledge
[04-Aug-2010 02:03:06] <gabrielcz> but you use zenpacks?
[04-Aug-2010 02:03:11] <nickanderson> yeh
[04-Aug-2010 02:03:15] <gabrielcz> or just use the..
[04-Aug-2010 02:03:16] <gabrielcz> haa ok.
[04-Aug-2010 02:03:17] <gabrielcz> :)
[04-Aug-2010 02:03:28] <gabrielcz> Im reading to know
[04-Aug-2010 02:03:30] <nickanderson> they are just a collection of things, templates, thresholds, possibly custom scripts
[04-Aug-2010 02:03:36] <gabrielcz> how to FIRST use them
[04-Aug-2010 02:03:57] <nickanderson> well they are all different
[04-Aug-2010 02:04:11] <gabrielcz> I need to understand...
[04-Aug-2010 02:04:13] <nickanderson> so sometimes you have to dig into each zenpack to figure out how to useit
[04-Aug-2010 02:04:16] <gabrielcz> I install a zenpack..
[04-Aug-2010 02:04:28] <gabrielcz> then i need to know, how to set it to a device
[04-Aug-2010 02:04:39] <nickanderson> you bind templates to a device
[04-Aug-2010 02:04:48] <nickanderson> a zenpack may provide those templates
[04-Aug-2010 02:04:50] <gabrielcz> and, then, i think to lern how to setup.. (differnte zenpack, diferent setups) i think
[04-Aug-2010 02:05:03] <gabrielcz> you bind templates to a device <-- how exacly?
[04-Aug-2010 02:05:16] <gabrielcz> im reading 3. Managing Devices and Device Attributes
[04-Aug-2010 02:05:20] <nickanderson> some zenpacks will attach the templates to a device class, then all devices in that device class can use the template
[04-Aug-2010 02:05:20] <gabrielcz> but if you have time...
[04-Aug-2010 02:05:32] <nickanderson> navigate to device
[04-Aug-2010 02:05:37] <gabrielcz> going.
[04-Aug-2010 02:05:53] <gabrielcz> done
[04-Aug-2010 02:05:55] <gabrielcz> ;)
[04-Aug-2010 02:06:04] <nickanderson> click the middle button in lower left (zenoss 3.0) then bind templates
[04-Aug-2010 02:06:14] <nickanderson> then you select the templates you are binding
[04-Aug-2010 02:06:30] <nickanderson> its going to take you some trial and error to figure it out
[04-Aug-2010 02:06:37] <gabrielcz> available (httpMonitor) | selected (device)
[04-Aug-2010 02:06:53] <nickanderson> yeh, so if your device were a website url that might be appropriate
[04-Aug-2010 02:07:07] <nickanderson> people are lazy, no one wants to do all that for each host
[04-Aug-2010 02:07:22] <nickanderson> so you could create a device class called websites or whatever you want to call it
[04-Aug-2010 02:07:25] <gabrielcz> so.. give me a moment :)
[04-Aug-2010 02:07:32] <nickanderson> then bind the http monitor to that device class
[04-Aug-2010 02:07:35] <gabrielcz> im I move avalable to dselected
[04-Aug-2010 02:07:56] <gabrielcz> I bind that the httMonitor commands to a DEVICE template..
[04-Aug-2010 02:08:06] <gabrielcz> so, when I put a host in (device) template...
[04-Aug-2010 02:08:23] <nickanderson> if you were to monitor a website
[04-Aug-2010 02:08:29] <nickanderson> it would go something like this
[04-Aug-2010 02:08:31] <gabrielcz> the httpMonitor will try to collect information from the httpd of that host.. rigth?
[04-Aug-2010 02:08:36] <nickanderson> yeh
[04-Aug-2010 02:08:43] <gabrielcz> ok.
[04-Aug-2010 02:08:49] <gabrielcz> undestood
[04-Aug-2010 02:08:49] <nickanderson> you create a new device, and you name it the hostname of the website
[04-Aug-2010 02:09:03] <nickanderson> then you bind the httpmonitor template
[04-Aug-2010 02:09:04] <gabrielcz> and why I just have ONE avalable template? (httpMonitor)
[04-Aug-2010 02:09:13] <nickanderson> you havent made any more?
[04-Aug-2010 02:09:21] <gabrielcz> I? made?
[04-Aug-2010 02:09:24] <nickanderson> yeh
[04-Aug-2010 02:09:31] <nickanderson> you make them
[04-Aug-2010 02:09:35] <gabrielcz> nonono.. i think you did not undestand me, sry
[04-Aug-2010 02:09:40] <nickanderson> or you install zenpacks that provide templates
[04-Aug-2010 02:09:42] <gabrielcz> I WILL do it..
[04-Aug-2010 02:09:56] <gabrielcz> but first In need to make myself a zenoss admin
[04-Aug-2010 02:10:04] <gabrielcz> I will do it, becouse I need it.
[04-Aug-2010 02:10:06] <nickanderson> chicken and the egg there
[04-Aug-2010 02:10:14] <gabrielcz> and I did not see nothing about mumble.
[04-Aug-2010 02:10:18] <nickanderson> nope
[04-Aug-2010 02:10:22] <nickanderson> me neither
[04-Aug-2010 02:10:25] <gabrielcz> but, theres a py example working on nagios
[04-Aug-2010 02:10:31] <nickanderson> perfect
[04-Aug-2010 02:10:33] <gabrielcz> so I will start from there
[04-Aug-2010 02:10:41] <nickanderson> you can just take the nagios plugin
[04-Aug-2010 02:10:47] <gabrielcz> im new using zenoss
[04-Aug-2010 02:10:48] <nickanderson> and incorperate it into a zenpack
[04-Aug-2010 02:10:54] <gabrielcz> will work?
[04-Aug-2010 02:10:57] <nickanderson> yep
[04-Aug-2010 02:10:58] <gabrielcz> like that?
[04-Aug-2010 02:11:03] <gabrielcz> GREATS
[04-Aug-2010 02:11:11] <gabrielcz> loving zenoss very mutch
[04-Aug-2010 02:11:13] <gabrielcz> hehehe
[04-Aug-2010 02:11:13] <nickanderson> when you make your template
[04-Aug-2010 02:11:27] <nickanderson> the datasource you define will be of "command" type
[04-Aug-2010 02:11:30] <gabrielcz> and i put there all the mumble servers hosts? rigth?
[04-Aug-2010 02:12:15] <gabrielcz> can you gide me installing pherhaps a apache monitor zenpack?
[04-Aug-2010 02:12:30] <gabrielcz> going all the process.. now I lern how to move on the site :P
[04-Aug-2010 02:12:33] <nickanderson> download the zenpack
[04-Aug-2010 02:12:37] <gabrielcz> I go
[04-Aug-2010 02:12:38] <nickanderson> unzip the zipfile
[04-Aug-2010 02:13:18] <nickanderson> advanced -> zenpacks -> click th ebutton and select install zenpack
[04-Aug-2010 02:13:26] <nickanderson> thats about it
[04-Aug-2010 02:13:35] <gabrielcz> done
[04-Aug-2010 02:13:37] <gabrielcz> installed
[04-Aug-2010 02:13:46] <gabrielcz> I need a zope restart
[04-Aug-2010 02:13:47] <gabrielcz> ?
[04-Aug-2010 02:13:52] <nickanderson> i dunno
[04-Aug-2010 02:14:08] <nickanderson> not sure when restarts are needed, i just do it if i have issues
[04-Aug-2010 02:14:18] <gabrielcz> ok.
[04-Aug-2010 02:14:22] <gabrielcz> so, installed
[04-Aug-2010 02:14:39] <gabrielcz> how I know if the apache zenpack uses ssh os snmp?
[04-Aug-2010 02:14:43] <nickanderson> then you would add a device that could use that
[04-Aug-2010 02:15:01] <nickanderson> if you goto advanced -> monitoring templates you should be able to find th etemplate
[04-Aug-2010 02:15:02] <gabrielcz> I already have a device with apache running, is same?
[04-Aug-2010 02:15:28] <nickanderson> you have to read what specifically each zenpack needs
[04-Aug-2010 02:15:44] <nickanderson> iirc the apache monitor one requires an apache server with mod_status enabled and configured
[04-Aug-2010 02:15:57] <gabrielcz> ok.
[04-Aug-2010 02:15:58] <gabrielcz> yes..
[04-Aug-2010 02:16:09] <gabrielcz> I have is running
[04-Aug-2010 02:16:37] <gabrielcz> yes, I check that running php info page
[04-Aug-2010 02:16:47] <nickanderson> phpinfo != mod_status
[04-Aug-2010 02:16:57] <nickanderson> mod_status is an apache module
[04-Aug-2010 02:17:06] <gabrielcz> yes.
[04-Aug-2010 02:17:07] <nickanderson> it prints out stuff like how many connections etc ..
[04-Aug-2010 02:17:19] <gabrielcz> I have that module enables
[04-Aug-2010 02:17:27] <nickanderson> you have to specifically configure it, I have never seen it configured by default
[04-Aug-2010 02:17:41] <nickanderson> did you configure it in your apche conf?
[04-Aug-2010 02:17:45] <gabrielcz> yes.
[04-Aug-2010 02:17:50] <nickanderson> so that url/status or whatnot
[04-Aug-2010 02:17:55] <tehhobbit> nickanderson: usually configured, but only allows connections from localhost
[04-Aug-2010 02:18:24] <nickanderson> tehhobbit: really? ive never seen the mod_status stuff on by default, odd
[04-Aug-2010 02:19:00] <gabrielcz> :)
[04-Aug-2010 02:19:15] <gabrielcz> well.. i can see "apache/server" on templates
[04-Aug-2010 02:19:42] <gabrielcz> have a datasouyrces, thresholds and grapch definitions
[04-Aug-2010 02:19:52] <nickanderson> drill down into the datasource
[04-Aug-2010 02:20:01] <nickanderson> i think its prolly a command datasource
[04-Aug-2010 02:20:22] <nickanderson> points to a location of a script, that script will run and then parse the apache mod_status webpage
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[04-Aug-2010 02:21:01] <gabrielcz> sry
[04-Aug-2010 02:21:07] <gabrielcz> not undesrstand
[04-Aug-2010 02:21:27] <gabrielcz> where i can set a location of the script?
[04-Aug-2010 02:21:53] <gabrielcz> add datapoint to graph? add data point? edit details?
[04-Aug-2010 02:21:53] <gabrielcz> jeje
[04-Aug-2010 02:22:04] <gabrielcz> details I think
[04-Aug-2010 02:22:23] <gabrielcz> but I need to setup there pherhaps the apache host?
[04-Aug-2010 02:22:32] <gabrielcz> or is ok ${dev/manageIp}
[04-Aug-2010 02:23:19] <nickanderson> thats a TALES expression
[04-Aug-2010 02:23:39] <gabrielcz> I need like that i think ?
[04-Aug-2010 02:23:40] <nickanderson> its a variable that will map to the ip of the device
[04-Aug-2010 02:24:11] <nickanderson> i dont know what you need, it depends how your apache is configured
[04-Aug-2010 02:24:15] <gabrielcz> ok
[04-Aug-2010 02:24:23] <gabrielcz> so DONE?
[04-Aug-2010 02:24:24] <nickanderson> if apache will display the modstatus info when you request the ip
[04-Aug-2010 02:24:32] <nickanderson> then that will work
[04-Aug-2010 02:24:43] <gabrielcz> and I need to add devices to this template called (apache/device)?
[04-Aug-2010 02:24:56] <nickanderson> you add devices
[04-Aug-2010 02:25:00] <nickanderson> and you bind that template to them
[04-Aug-2010 02:25:13] <gabrielcz> to the device?
[04-Aug-2010 02:25:17] <nickanderson> yes
[04-Aug-2010 02:25:20] <gabrielcz> ok
[04-Aug-2010 02:25:43] <nickanderson> that zenpack may provide a device class that automatically binds templates to devices when devices are placed in that device class
[04-Aug-2010 02:25:54] <nickanderson> I dont know though
[04-Aug-2010 02:26:02] <nickanderson> every zenpack is different
[04-Aug-2010 02:26:19] <gabrielcz> if I would like to by thefault the template called /device/server/SSH use the apache zenpack?
[04-Aug-2010 02:26:42] <gabrielcz> I need to bind that to the template? the think you teach me before?
[04-Aug-2010 02:26:43] <nickanderson> not sure what you just said
[04-Aug-2010 02:26:52] <nickanderson> yes i told you how to bind the template
[04-Aug-2010 02:26:58] <gabrielcz> perfect,
[04-Aug-2010 02:27:04] <nickanderson> you could bind the template to /device/server/ssh
[04-Aug-2010 02:27:08] <gabrielcz> I just wan to be sure that :)
[04-Aug-2010 02:27:11] <nickanderson> if you want
[04-Aug-2010 02:27:28] <nickanderson> then every server you put in /device/server/ssh would get that template
[04-Aug-2010 02:27:48] <nickanderson> probably not what you want for /device/server/ssh, but none the less, you can do it
[04-Aug-2010 02:28:35] <gabrielcz> when I goes into a device
[04-Aug-2010 02:28:40] <gabrielcz> and I want to add a command...
[04-Aug-2010 02:28:50] <gabrielcz> I need to go to modeler plugins
[04-Aug-2010 02:29:24] <gabrielcz> and the drag a plugin from available plugin to plugins? (you undestand what i try to say)?
[04-Aug-2010 02:29:34] <nickanderson> nope no clue what your saying
[04-Aug-2010 02:29:39] <gabrielcz> hehehe
[04-Aug-2010 02:29:56] <gabrielcz> infraestructure/devices list
[04-Aug-2010 02:30:00] <gabrielcz> I click on a device
[04-Aug-2010 02:30:06] <gabrielcz> then modeler plugins
[04-Aug-2010 02:30:13] <gabrielcz> and I have a "plugins" list
[04-Aug-2010 02:30:35] <gabrielcz> and a add fields list with a list of many plugins like snmp, cmd, and wmi
[04-Aug-2010 02:30:56] <gabrielcz> If I want to add maybe a cmd.uname_a pluging to THAT device...
[04-Aug-2010 02:31:04] <gabrielcz> this is the rigth place to do it?
[04-Aug-2010 02:31:30] <gabrielcz> I mean, If a move a pluginf to "plugins" list, that all? the plugin will execute ?
[04-Aug-2010 02:31:34] <nickanderson> I dont know
[04-Aug-2010 02:31:36] <nickanderson> :)
[04-Aug-2010 02:31:44] <gabrielcz> jejeje
[04-Aug-2010 02:31:46] <nickanderson> 3.0 interface is different still getting used to it
[04-Aug-2010 02:31:51] <nickanderson> and its almost 3am
[04-Aug-2010 02:31:55] <nickanderson> time to hit the sack
[04-Aug-2010 02:32:02] <gabrielcz> where are you from?
[04-Aug-2010 02:32:15] <nickanderson> USA - Lawrence, KS
[04-Aug-2010 02:32:25] <gabrielcz> ok.
[04-Aug-2010 02:32:36] <gabrielcz> so you must go to bed :P
[04-Aug-2010 02:32:43] <nickanderson> for a few hours
[04-Aug-2010 02:32:53] <gabrielcz> well, thanks you dude
[04-Aug-2010 02:33:27] <nickanderson> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=lawrence,+ks&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=49.043149,105.380859&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Lawrence,+Douglas,+Kansas&z=12&iwloc=A
[04-Aug-2010 02:33:29] <nickanderson> thats where
[04-Aug-2010 02:33:32] <nickanderson> :)
[04-Aug-2010 02:33:36] <gabrielcz> jejej
[04-Aug-2010 02:33:42] <gabrielcz> ;)
[04-Aug-2010 02:34:01] <gabrielcz> woowww
[04-Aug-2010 02:34:05] <gabrielcz> you are in the middle
[04-Aug-2010 02:34:08] <Simon4> nickanderson: woah you're up late
[04-Aug-2010 02:34:15] <gabrielcz> no ocean there :)
[04-Aug-2010 02:34:35] <nickanderson> heh
[04-Aug-2010 02:34:39] <nickanderson> early Simon4
[04-Aug-2010 02:34:45] <nickanderson> migrations
[04-Aug-2010 02:34:48] <Simon4> ahh
[04-Aug-2010 02:35:05] <Simon4> I was going to say, I'm just out of bed and I'm 8-9 hours behind you
[04-Aug-2010 02:35:10] <nickanderson> hehe
[04-Aug-2010 02:35:18] <nickanderson> ill be up in 4-5 hrs
[04-Aug-2010 02:35:22] <Simon4> or ahead, can't remember :)
[04-Aug-2010 02:35:25] <nickanderson> hehe
[04-Aug-2010 02:35:32] <nickanderson> ahead, behind not much diff
[04-Aug-2010 02:35:40] <nickanderson> tomorrow is still a work day
[04-Aug-2010 02:35:56] <Simon4> indeed
[04-Aug-2010 02:35:57] <Simon4> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=lawrence,+ks&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=49.043149,105.380859&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Lawrence,+Douglas,+Kansas&ll=41.462026,-109.487343&spn=0.182672,0.32856&z=12
[04-Aug-2010 02:35:57] <nickanderson> though lately thats almost everyday anyway
[04-Aug-2010 02:36:01] <Simon4> intergalactic spaceport!
[04-Aug-2010 02:36:13] <nickanderson> hehe
[04-Aug-2010 02:42:53] <gabrielcz> whith is the log that shows all the commands and responses ?
[04-Aug-2010 02:43:12] <gabrielcz> I try commands, but tells me when a command runs, but no information about the results
[04-Aug-2010 03:17:33] <bitshuffler> Hi guys. Would anyone happen to know how to contact any dev of that wmi-... package or where there bugtracker is? As in is it really the samba one or ... ?
[04-Aug-2010 03:17:48] <bitshuffler> *their bugtracker
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[05-Aug-2010 05:51:49] <Simon4> morning all
[05-Aug-2010 07:20:23] <mistich> good morning
[05-Aug-2010 07:20:51] <mistich> any one know if they changed anything in 2.5 with the loadDevice XML-RPC Call
[05-Aug-2010 08:17:57] <rmatte> mistich: why do you ask?
[05-Aug-2010 08:18:20] <mistich> nevermind found the problem
[05-Aug-2010 08:18:25] <mistich> it wasn't zenoss
[05-Aug-2010 08:20:37] <rmatte> k
[05-Aug-2010 08:24:27] <mistich> thanks anyway
[05-Aug-2010 08:25:46] <rmatte> np
[05-Aug-2010 08:26:14] <rmatte> It's a rocket!
[05-Aug-2010 08:31:08] <rocket> Yes but this rocket is having computer troubles .. :p
[05-Aug-2010 08:31:15] <rocket> there goes my productivity today ..
[05-Aug-2010 08:31:43] <rmatte> what kinds of computer troubles?
[05-Aug-2010 08:31:54] <rmatte> did your mouse eat through it's wire again?
[05-Aug-2010 08:32:03] <rocket> laptop harddrive thats not working right ..
[05-Aug-2010 08:32:07] <rmatte> ah
[05-Aug-2010 08:32:18] <rocket> not sure if its hardware or just needs a good verify etc
[05-Aug-2010 08:32:35] <rmatte> open it up, haul it out, and dd the contents to a new drive if you have any indication that it's failing
[05-Aug-2010 08:32:44] <rocket> its on a mac so I am not 100% sure what I need to do to fix it ..
[05-Aug-2010 08:32:55] <rocket> already rsyncing the things I care about
[05-Aug-2010 08:33:01] <rmatte> hmmm, not sure what FS they use
[05-Aug-2010 08:33:19] <rmatte> they might use the standard fsck tool
[05-Aug-2010 08:33:27] <rmatte> but you'd have to boot to a livecd or something
[05-Aug-2010 08:33:44] <rocket> they may .. I have an install cd that might do it ..
[05-Aug-2010 08:34:02] <rmatte> yeh, that will probably have some sort of recovery/maintenance utility on it
[05-Aug-2010 08:34:31] <rocket> otherwise off to the apple store today to deal with genius bar guys .. yay ..
[05-Aug-2010 08:34:44] <rmatte> hehe
[05-Aug-2010 08:36:05] <chachan> good morning :)
[05-Aug-2010 08:36:12] <twm1010> good morning
[05-Aug-2010 08:36:41] <Simon4> rocket: you can do a "verify permissions" in disk utility, and if you want to clone the drive to another one there's a great app called "superduper" that will copy the lot to a usb-connected drive etc
[05-Aug-2010 08:38:03] <rocket> Simon4: superduper included or do I have to find that on the internets? :)
[05-Aug-2010 08:38:33] <twm1010> carbon copy cloner works very good too
[05-Aug-2010 08:38:38] <twm1010> bombich.com
[05-Aug-2010 08:39:08] <Simon4> rocket: it's on the internets, but the version you want is free
[05-Aug-2010 08:40:52] <twm1010> as long as you're not changing CPU architecture :)
[05-Aug-2010 08:41:38] <rocket> well it should just be a disk replacement if anything
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[05-Aug-2010 10:01:22] <fragfutter> *hooray*
[05-Aug-2010 10:01:30] <cgibbons> lies!
[05-Aug-2010 10:01:35] <mray> once he gets here, mrchippy is the dev on call
[05-Aug-2010 10:01:44] <mray> but cgibbons can help you in the meantime :)
[05-Aug-2010 10:02:04] <fragfutter> i could annoy developers with the ComponentGrid renderer
[05-Aug-2010 10:02:43] <mray> fragfutter: annoy away
[05-Aug-2010 10:03:13] <cgibbons> that's something i know a tiny bit about for a change
[05-Aug-2010 10:03:26] <fragfutter> ok. as requested ;)
[05-Aug-2010 10:04:08] <rocket> can I mention before we start that it will be fixed in zenoss-800.0.800? :p
[05-Aug-2010 10:04:11] <fragfutter> i hava a custom OS Component. With a custom snmp Modeller. It adds information about LLDP Links to a device. Data collection and modelling works fine.
[05-Aug-2010 10:05:05] <fragfutter> now i need to display the data. if i simply display the data, no problem.
[05-Aug-2010 10:05:14] <fragfutter> but i want more! i want to make links out of the data.
[05-Aug-2010 10:05:53] <fragfutter> that is lldp tells me, that local port named "gigabit1" is linked to a machine called "switch2" port "someport"
[05-Aug-2010 10:06:12] <fragfutter> so i have function that search the brains for this info, and if they find it, i could create a link
[05-Aug-2010 10:06:16] <fragfutter> also working.
[05-Aug-2010 10:06:42] <fragfutter> but if i want to display this stuff, i can only bring links inside the grid live.
[05-Aug-2010 10:06:56] <fragfutter> in the detail area, there is _no_ ouput
[05-Aug-2010 10:07:14] <fragfutter> (for the fields where i require these links, pure textfields are displayed in the details)
[05-Aug-2010 10:12:39] <fragfutter> so how would i do this
[05-Aug-2010 10:12:55] <cgibbons> ah it's that problem. it should 'just work' - but your case is odd enough the only answer is to break out firebug and see what's up.
[05-Aug-2010 10:13:11] <cgibbons> ian just fixed something inside that details pane yesterday, but that was for rendering links with the proper name instead of just the uid.
[05-Aug-2010 10:13:25] <fragfutter> http://fpaste.org/DDH1/
[05-Aug-2010 10:16:37] <fragfutter> if i don't specify my own renderer, i get "[object Object]" in the grid and nothing in details.
[05-Aug-2010 10:17:14] <fragfutter> i guess the grid and detail page are in some way smart and somehow detect how to render stuff. So i need to return the right kind of object. But what does it need?
[05-Aug-2010 10:18:16] <sciolist> I'm reading the followin the docs and am wondering how to turn dashboard presence on/off in the "maintenance" production state
[05-Aug-2010 10:18:27] <sciolist> Maintenance - you want monitoring and collection to occur, and maybe or maybe not the device on the dashboard, just not alerting occurring
[05-Aug-2010 10:18:48] <sciolist> anyone got an idea?
[05-Aug-2010 10:21:49] <mray> sciolist: docs/DOC-6012 Not sure what "may appear" means
[05-Aug-2010 10:22:14] <straterra> Hmm
[05-Aug-2010 10:22:15] <sciolist> thx
[05-Aug-2010 10:22:46] <straterra> I have a router that has multiple IPs on it..I do SNMP on it
[05-Aug-2010 10:23:06] <straterra> But I want to do ping monitoring on a specific IP that happens to belong to this device..and ZenOSS won't let me
[05-Aug-2010 10:23:37] <sciolist> okay, so it may or may not appear on the dashboard, but - since it is an event - should appear on the Event Console, right?
[05-Aug-2010 10:24:07] <straterra> The device is multi homed and the main device will remain pingable even if the IP I want to monitor goes down
[05-Aug-2010 10:24:28] <jmp242> I have a weird issue with 2.5.2
[05-Aug-2010 10:24:39] <jmp242> I've got a monitored filesystem on a Linux server
[05-Aug-2010 10:24:45] <jmp242> where we ran out of disk space
[05-Aug-2010 10:24:54] <jmp242> I expanded the filesystem by 20GB to take care of that
[05-Aug-2010 10:25:01] <jmp242> and re-modeled the device in Zenoss
[05-Aug-2010 10:25:17] <jmp242> Zenoss has the graphs showing free space and utilization fine, but the event isn't clearing
[05-Aug-2010 10:25:56] <jmp242> nope - nevermind, it apparently just took longer than I though to clear
[05-Aug-2010 10:26:13] <JonnyV_> hehe
[05-Aug-2010 10:27:54] <mrchippy> sciolist: yes
[05-Aug-2010 10:28:08] <mray> sciolist: so it appears that some of the portlets pay attention to the production state, and some don't, which is why "may appear" is listed
[05-Aug-2010 10:28:51] <mray> so feel free to open bugs :(
[05-Aug-2010 10:28:53] <nickanderson> So, I overrode ethernetCsmacd_64 to /Servers/Linux/domU ever since then I get debug events for interface datasources. I only get them where I have overridden the template, they only appear once but never autoclear. And I believe they come back after a zope restart. Definitely do come back if i restart all of zenoss.
[05-Aug-2010 10:29:16] <nickanderson> ideas?
[05-Aug-2010 10:29:27] <nickanderson> better yet, solutions?
[05-Aug-2010 10:29:29] <cgibbons> frag: we may need to debug the base component panel javascript to figure out what's goin' on with the detail pane.
[05-Aug-2010 10:29:30] <nickanderson> heh
[05-Aug-2010 10:29:36] <cgibbons> to do that you have to ditch the pre-compiled files so you can.
[05-Aug-2010 10:29:44] <sciolist> not that important to me... just wanted clarification =)
[05-Aug-2010 10:30:03] <cgibbons> heh
[05-Aug-2010 10:30:07] <cgibbons> er wrong window
[05-Aug-2010 10:30:49] <fragfutter> cgibbons: move to chat window?
[05-Aug-2010 10:30:55] <cgibbons> no the 'heh'
[05-Aug-2010 10:30:59] <mrchippy> jmp242: the event count is still going up? or the event count has stopped going up, it just isn't getting cleared?
[05-Aug-2010 10:31:18] <fragfutter> cgibbons: ok.
[05-Aug-2010 10:34:02] <fragfutter> cgibbons: ready.
[05-Aug-2010 10:34:20] <fragfutter> cgibbons: you mean precompiled pyc/pyo or the compressed js?
[05-Aug-2010 10:34:57] <cgibbons> the compressed js
[05-Aug-2010 10:35:09] <cgibbons> if you set debug-mode in $ZENHOME/etc/zope.conf it won't use it
[05-Aug-2010 10:35:21] <cgibbons> (and restart zope, clear cache,e tc)
[05-Aug-2010 10:39:33] <fragfutter> cgibbons: all done and ready
[05-Aug-2010 10:40:22] <cgibbons> ok if you've got firebug active and then reload a component page, you should be able to see the different scripts that it loads
[05-Aug-2010 10:40:29] <fragfutter> yep.
[05-Aug-2010 10:41:22] <fragfutter> guess you want to know the json data of the device_router.getComponents?
[05-Aug-2010 10:42:10] <fragfutter> data.remoteDevice is an Object{uid="/zport/dmd/Devices/Network/......./switchname"}
[05-Aug-2010 10:42:31] <cgibbons> that, but also lemme go find the actual place where it renders
[05-Aug-2010 10:45:18] <cgibbons> ok the detail panel is a generic 'Form' so lesee
[05-Aug-2010 10:45:58] <fragfutter> zenoss-compiled-debug.js:2499 default_uid_renderer ?
[05-Aug-2010 10:46:22] <cgibbons> that's for the component panel itself, the form stuff is slightly different. Do you see a Zenoss.form.LinkField in there?
[05-Aug-2010 10:46:46] <fragfutter> line 4565
[05-Aug-2010 10:47:05] <cgibbons> I think the setValue function for that class is where you want to set a breakpoint.
[05-Aug-2010 10:47:24] * fragfutter needs to leave vi and go over to firebug...
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[05-Aug-2010 10:49:41] <fragfutter> cgibbons: ok. found the file, set breakpoint, hit reload now at the breakpoint
[05-Aug-2010 10:50:52] <fragfutter> the breakpoint should be hit three times (grid has thre columns)
[05-Aug-2010 10:50:58] <fragfutter> its only hit once
[05-Aug-2010 10:52:42] <fragfutter> ah, if i open the details page it is hit.
[05-Aug-2010 10:52:47] <fragfutter> so the first hit is something else
[05-Aug-2010 10:54:29] <fragfutter> it decides to call Zenoss.render.link("/zport/dmd/Devices/Network/..../switchname")
[05-Aug-2010 10:57:03] <fragfutter> ok, the issue is: it calls Zenoss.render.link("/zport..."), decides it needs to render a link for an interface (correct), calls the rendere and passes him no name for the the link. it can't figure out what to put inside the <a>...</a> tags.
[05-Aug-2010 10:59:47] <fragfutter> that is the reason why i have my own renderer in the grid, that extracts the name from the url. http://fpaste.org/DDH1/ line 45
[05-Aug-2010 11:03:02] <fragfutter> talking to thin air? netsplit?
[05-Aug-2010 11:04:06] <cgibbons> ok you may need the patch Ian did yesterday I bet, wanna try it?
[05-Aug-2010 11:04:47] <cgibbons> try this one and restart zope: http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/changeset/21820
[05-Aug-2010 11:04:53] <DoctorPepper> hi guys!!!
[05-Aug-2010 11:05:25] <fragfutter> cgibbons: before we try, i assume it patches zenoss-compiled.js and modifies the renderer IpInterface (line 2606) to behave similiar to the Network renderer a few lines down?
[05-Aug-2010 11:05:38] <cgibbons> nope
[05-Aug-2010 11:05:40] <mray> DoctorPepper: greetings
[05-Aug-2010 11:05:58] * fragfutter gets no brownie points
[05-Aug-2010 11:06:12] <fragfutter> cgibbons: ahhh. ok.
[05-Aug-2010 11:07:03] <DoctorPepper> can anyone help me please , i installed zenoss-3.0 using zenoss-stack.deb for ubuntu , everything works just fine except for software inventory that is empty
[05-Aug-2010 11:07:16] <fragfutter> cgibbons: just edit the file, or do is there a special patch-function in zenoss?
[05-Aug-2010 11:07:58] <mrchippy> DoctorPepper: brand new install or upgrade?
[05-Aug-2010 11:10:44] <DoctorPepper> brand new install 2 days old
[05-Aug-2010 11:11:19] <cgibbons> just edit it, i think that might change things
[05-Aug-2010 11:11:52] <cgibbons> sorry for delay, multiple tasks :)
[05-Aug-2010 11:11:55] <mrchippy> what are you trying to model?
[05-Aug-2010 11:12:25] <fragfutter> cgibbons: that fixed the details page. nice.
[05-Aug-2010 11:12:31] <cgibbons> wow sweet
[05-Aug-2010 11:12:40] <DoctorPepper> for the moment ubuntu servers .
[05-Aug-2010 11:12:42] <cgibbons> interesting that your behavior with that bug was blank versus just an ugly id, but cool
[05-Aug-2010 11:12:44] <cgibbons> that'll be in 3.0.2
[05-Aug-2010 11:12:50] <mrchippy> ok cool. hold on a sec.
[05-Aug-2010 11:12:51] <fragfutter> cgibbons: is there something similar for the grid?
[05-Aug-2010 11:13:15] <fragfutter> cgibbons: so that i don't need to do my own renderer, the grid has the same issue of a missing name
[05-Aug-2010 11:13:40] <cgibbons> hrm not sure about that one
[05-Aug-2010 11:13:54] <mrchippy> check out blogs/zenossblog/2009/02/18/tip-of-the-month-snmp-software-inventory-for-debian-and-ubuntu-machines
[05-Aug-2010 11:14:24] <DoctorPepper> doesnt work for me
[05-Aug-2010 11:15:18] <mrchippy> oh no
[05-Aug-2010 11:16:00] <mrchippy> so you're modeling them in /Server/Linux? (as opposed to via SSH with the ubuntu ssh zenpack)
[05-Aug-2010 11:16:31] <DoctorPepper> yes
[05-Aug-2010 11:17:59] <DoctorPepper> by the way impossible to install the ubuntu-zenpack
[05-Aug-2010 11:18:10] <mrchippy> oh no X 2
[05-Aug-2010 11:19:40] <mrchippy> can you run 'zenmodeler run -v10 -d <some ubuntu server you've added>' and post the output somewhere so i can take a look?
[05-Aug-2010 11:24:17] <DoctorPepper> mrchippy: http://pastebin.com/i4kJ9ffA
[05-Aug-2010 11:26:53] <mrchippy> that looks like zenmodeler is not finding the device. is there a device in /Server/Linux with that ip already?
[05-Aug-2010 11:27:13] <DoctorPepper> yes
[05-Aug-2010 11:29:17] <mrchippy> can you post the url for the device?
[05-Aug-2010 11:30:23] <DoctorPepper> with the webinterface i get all the informations excepted for the software inventory
[05-Aug-2010 11:31:05] <JonnyV> guys, after auto-discovery of a subnet, if the devices have snmp disabled while in class Discovered, is it possible that the devices are moved to the Ping class automatically?
[05-Aug-2010 11:32:06] <JonnyV> or maybe i moved them and i dont remember?? hehe
[05-Aug-2010 11:33:36] <mray> JonnyV: the autodiscovery is just making a call to zendisc and passing it the /Discovered path as the default, you could run it from the CLI and put them into /Ping if you want
[05-Aug-2010 11:33:48] <mrchippy> DoctorPepper: What are the Modeling Plugins for /Server/Linux?
[05-Aug-2010 11:33:49] <mray> JonnyV: pretty sure /Discovered is hard-coded in the UI though
[05-Aug-2010 11:34:36] <JonnyV> ok.. good to know that mray
[05-Aug-2010 11:35:27] <JonnyV> but my doubt was if after x count of snmp down in /discovered class maybe zenoss automatically moves them to Ping...
[05-Aug-2010 11:35:58] <JonnyV> cause i really dont remember moving them.. i will have to ask mi other teammates if they moved them
[05-Aug-2010 11:36:19] <mray> JonnyV: pretty sure we don't
[05-Aug-2010 11:36:50] <JonnyV> hehe. thanks mate
[05-Aug-2010 11:37:38] <JonnyV> i was too.. at least before 3.0. I was reading a guide and transforms to achieve that.
[05-Aug-2010 11:42:40] <DoctorPepper> mrchippy: zenoss.snmp.NewDeviceMapX zenoss.snmp.DeviceMapX zenoss.snmp.InterfaceMapX zenoss.snmp.RouteMapX zenoss.snmp.IpServiceMapX zenoss.snmp.HRFileSystemMapX # zenoss.snmp.HRSWRunMapX # zenoss.snmp.CpuMapX # zenoss.cmd.linux.memoryX # zenoss.cmd.linux.netstat_anX zenoss.cmd.unameX # zenoss.cmd.linux.processX # zenoss.cmd.linux.ifconfigX # zenoss.cmd.linux.netstat_rn
[05-Aug-2010 11:43:45] <mrchippy> you need to add HRSWInstalled
[05-Aug-2010 12:08:36] * rmatte yawns while several devices model verrrry slowwwwwly
[05-Aug-2010 12:11:25] <mr-m> i've got my snmp trap mibs loaded into zenoss now - i still recieve the OID in the events log though.. anything i have to do besides zenmib run ...
[05-Aug-2010 12:20:59] <nickanderson> How do I test the http monitor zenpack?
[05-Aug-2010 12:21:33] <nickanderson> Ive got a device in to monitor but its saying name or service not known
[05-Aug-2010 12:21:53] <nickanderson> I can use the check_http plugin to test it without issue
[05-Aug-2010 12:23:42] <rmatte> nickanderson: you have the device added as the hostname of the sites and it's in the HTTP class?
[05-Aug-2010 12:23:49] <nickanderson> yes
[05-Aug-2010 12:23:50] <rmatte> site*
[05-Aug-2010 12:24:10] <nickanderson> and ive deleted the ip address field on the template
[05-Aug-2010 12:24:11] <rmatte> you can do a: zencommand run -v10 -d <devicename> to test it
[05-Aug-2010 12:24:28] <rmatte> since I'm pretty sure it uses zencommand to execute
[05-Aug-2010 12:24:37] <nickanderson> k ty
[05-Aug-2010 12:24:39] <rmatte> np
[05-Aug-2010 12:24:56] <rmatte> you did clear the IP address field in the template right?
[05-Aug-2010 12:25:06] <rmatte> only the hostname field should be populated for the data source in the template
[05-Aug-2010 12:25:18] <nickanderson> yes
[05-Aug-2010 12:25:22] <rmatte> k
[05-Aug-2010 12:25:40] <rmatte> the best way to see if it's working in just to check the performance graph
[05-Aug-2010 12:25:45] <rmatte> if it's graphing, it's working
[05-Aug-2010 12:26:07] <kerickson> You'll need to wait 10-15 minutes to see anything in the http monitor graphs
[05-Aug-2010 12:26:08] <nickanderson> well its alarming so i know its not
[05-Aug-2010 12:26:12] <rmatte> if it's not working, running zencommand is the best way to troubleshoot
[05-Aug-2010 12:26:23] <nickanderson> the zencmd run thing should help
[05-Aug-2010 12:26:25] <nickanderson> yeh
[05-Aug-2010 12:26:36] <rmatte> it should show you the exact command that it's trying to run
[05-Aug-2010 12:26:44] <rmatte> so you can try running it by hand with the same parameters
[05-Aug-2010 12:27:08] <rmatte> woot, I'm finally going to be able to take vacation after next week
[05-Aug-2010 12:27:09] <rmatte> can't wait
[05-Aug-2010 12:33:29] <nickanderson> weird
[05-Aug-2010 12:33:41] <nickanderson> i run the zencommand run and it clears the alarm
[05-Aug-2010 12:33:47] <nickanderson> wait a few minutes and its back
[05-Aug-2010 12:33:56] <nickanderson> run the zencommand run and it clears
[05-Aug-2010 12:34:13] <nickanderson> am I needing some zenoss service restart here or something?
[05-Aug-2010 12:35:46] LarsN_Away is now known as LarsN
[05-Aug-2010 12:37:08] <nickanderson> Whats the dfference between the Java template and the ZenJMX template in the jmx monitoring zenpack?
[05-Aug-2010 12:39:07] <rocket> restart zencommand if it is currently running in daemon mode
[05-Aug-2010 13:00:28] <mray> nickanderson: docs/DOC-3385 that one?
[05-Aug-2010 13:00:50] <nickanderson> mmm
[05-Aug-2010 13:01:19] <nickanderson> I only installed the zenjmx zenpack, it provieds a java template and a zenjmx template
[05-Aug-2010 13:01:33] <mray> oh… not sure
[05-Aug-2010 13:01:43] <mray> haven't used it much myself
[05-Aug-2010 13:02:38] <rmatte> yeh, almost no one uses that pack, so it's hard to get support for
[05-Aug-2010 13:02:41] <rmatte> I've never used it either
[05-Aug-2010 13:02:50] <nickanderson> the zenjmx one?
[05-Aug-2010 13:02:53] <rmatte> yeh
[05-Aug-2010 13:03:05] <mray> zenjmx is actually used a lot
[05-Aug-2010 13:03:05] <nickanderson> unfortunately we have a ton of java apps
[05-Aug-2010 13:03:09] <rmatte> not many people know anything about it
[05-Aug-2010 13:03:09] <rmatte> lol
[05-Aug-2010 13:03:24] <mray> it's hard to use unless you're fairly familiar with JMX
[05-Aug-2010 13:03:28] <rmatte> mray: yeh it may be, but not by too many people who hang out in here from what I've seen
[05-Aug-2010 13:03:31] <nickanderson> are you mray?
[05-Aug-2010 13:03:39] <rmatte> he's Matt Ray
[05-Aug-2010 13:03:39] <mray> mray: I am
[05-Aug-2010 13:03:41] <nickanderson> familiar with it
[05-Aug-2010 13:03:41] <nickanderson> hehe
[05-Aug-2010 13:03:47] <rmatte> I'm Ryan Matte
[05-Aug-2010 13:03:49] <nickanderson> right into the trap
[05-Aug-2010 13:04:13] <rmatte> lol
[05-Aug-2010 13:04:29] <nickanderson> so in 3.0 i see that I can set the management port
[05-Aug-2010 13:04:34] <Simon4> now all we need is a Matt Matte :)
[05-Aug-2010 13:04:50] <rmatte> lol
[05-Aug-2010 13:04:55] <nickanderson> or I assume I can use the zproperties on the device or class to set the jmx port
[05-Aug-2010 13:05:01] <nickanderson> which should i be using
[05-Aug-2010 13:05:32] <rmatte> eugh, I hate devices that have routing tables containing a bajillion entries
[05-Aug-2010 13:05:40] <rmatte> takes forever to model them
[05-Aug-2010 13:06:11] <rmatte> nickanderson: if there's a zproperty for it then use that
[05-Aug-2010 13:06:24] <mray> nickanderson: I haven't used it, but the Extended Monitor Guide has a lot of information
[05-Aug-2010 13:06:35] <Simon4> nickanderson: I tend to try and set zproperties on the device class as opposed to the device if I can
[05-Aug-2010 13:06:46] <Simon4> it seems tidier to me
[05-Aug-2010 13:06:50] <nickanderson> indeed
[05-Aug-2010 13:06:52] <rmatte> Simon4: if he doesn't have different ports from device to device
[05-Aug-2010 13:06:59] <nickanderson> thats what im going to do, once i get it working
[05-Aug-2010 13:07:05] <Simon4> rmatte: yeah, that's the bit that falls outside "if I can"
[05-Aug-2010 13:07:08] <nickanderson> oh ill just mandate the standard jmx port
[05-Aug-2010 13:07:09] <rmatte> hehe
[05-Aug-2010 13:07:14] <Simon4> :)
[05-Aug-2010 13:07:16] <mray> nickanderson: docs/DOC-6922
[05-Aug-2010 13:07:19] <nickanderson> or some other standard one
[05-Aug-2010 13:07:21] <nickanderson> whatever
[05-Aug-2010 13:07:31] <rmatte> eugh, this device has been modelling for like 45 minutes now
[05-Aug-2010 13:07:34] * rmatte bangs head on desk
[05-Aug-2010 13:07:38] <nickanderson> thanks mray
[05-Aug-2010 13:08:02] <rmatte> course you Zenoss and your thirst for routing tables
[05-Aug-2010 13:08:06] <rmatte> curse too
[05-Aug-2010 13:08:17] <Simon4> rmatte: you could always make a new trimmed down route modeller
[05-Aug-2010 13:08:25] <Simon4> just grab the default route and nothing else
[05-Aug-2010 13:08:26] <rmatte> Simon4: true, but meh
[05-Aug-2010 13:08:35] <rmatte> this issue doesn't come up that often
[05-Aug-2010 13:08:47] <rmatte> one of our clients moved a bunch of equipment around, upgraded IOS on it, and renamed it
[05-Aug-2010 13:08:57] <rmatte> so I have to remodel a bunch of them
[05-Aug-2010 13:09:05] <Simon4> *nod*(
[05-Aug-2010 13:20:29] cluther_ is now known as cluther
[05-Aug-2010 13:21:42] <nickanderson> humm
[05-Aug-2010 13:26:23] <nickanderson> I set the zJmxManagementPort to 9979 ( the port which jmx is listening on, tested with jconsole) but when I run zenjmx run -v10 -d <device> i see zenjmxjava', 'run', '-zenjmxjavaport', '9989
[05-Aug-2010 13:26:31] <nickanderson> like its not using the zproperty
[05-Aug-2010 13:29:07] <nickanderson> mmmm
[05-Aug-2010 13:32:07] <dec3pti0n> once the zencatalog is complete and only after the upgrade to 3.0 I should install the new 2.6 zenpacks that overwrites the old ones, right ? like apacheMonitor
[05-Aug-2010 13:33:03] <rmatte> yes
[05-Aug-2010 13:33:47] <rmatte> you can't install them before
[05-Aug-2010 13:34:04] <dec3pti0n> thought so, just double checking :) thanks
[05-Aug-2010 13:34:10] <rmatte> np
[05-Aug-2010 13:50:47] <nickanderson> ugh why wont this read from jmx
[05-Aug-2010 13:52:52] <nickanderson> i can connect with jconsole without issue
[05-Aug-2010 14:01:47] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[05-Aug-2010 14:03:45] <nickanderson> I really dont see what i am missing, tried setting jmx port in the zproperty, as well as the datasource on the template. jconsole works
[05-Aug-2010 14:06:10] <dec3pti0n> how come when I try to model a device on the UI the black dialog screen pops up but nothing shows up ?
[05-Aug-2010 14:06:20] <nickanderson> what browser?
[05-Aug-2010 14:06:26] <dec3pti0n> chrome
[05-Aug-2010 14:06:30] <nickanderson> thats why
[05-Aug-2010 14:06:34] <nickanderson> try FF
[05-Aug-2010 14:06:41] <nickanderson> fixes for chrome are coming in 3.0.2
[05-Aug-2010 14:06:41] <dec3pti0n> hehe :) gonna try that
[05-Aug-2010 14:07:00] <dec3pti0n> thanks
[05-Aug-2010 14:07:06] <nickanderson> np
[05-Aug-2010 14:07:30] <mray> rmatte: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/7076 going into 3.0.2
[05-Aug-2010 14:07:44] <mray> following your suggestion
[05-Aug-2010 14:08:00] <nickanderson> mray: any idea on this jmx not connecting thing?
[05-Aug-2010 14:08:51] <mray> I can ask JP to drop in
[05-Aug-2010 14:08:55] <mray> I don't know myself
[05-Aug-2010 14:09:16] <nickanderson> its probably something dumb
[05-Aug-2010 14:09:26] <nickanderson> but i cannot see it for the life of me
[05-Aug-2010 14:10:33] <dec3pti0n> nickanderson: same on FF ... is that a linux/mac browser issue ?
[05-Aug-2010 14:10:51] <nickanderson> hum, I only get that black screen without updates in chrome
[05-Aug-2010 14:10:53] <rmatte> mray: cool
[05-Aug-2010 14:10:57] <nickanderson> FF works fine
[05-Aug-2010 14:11:02] <nickanderson> and Im running linux
[05-Aug-2010 14:11:07] <mray> the only known browser issues I know of are with Chrome/Safari/webkit browsers
[05-Aug-2010 14:11:09] <dec3pti0n> hmm not here
[05-Aug-2010 14:11:24] <dec3pti0n> FF 3.0
[05-Aug-2010 14:11:27] <nickanderson> the black screen is supposed to scoll informatin
[05-Aug-2010 14:11:38] <nickanderson> like the device model status or whatnot
[05-Aug-2010 14:12:00] <mray> yeah, that's broken in 3.0
[05-Aug-2010 14:12:03] <mray> and fixed in 3.0.1
[05-Aug-2010 14:12:17] <mray> which is pending release
[05-Aug-2010 14:12:52] <mray> FF should give you the best results
[05-Aug-2010 14:13:14] <dec3pti0n> updating my FF to latest release
[05-Aug-2010 14:15:30] <cgibbons> 3.0.1... the release that just keeps wiating
[05-Aug-2010 14:19:38] <citrus2> i thought 3.0.1 was supposed to drop this week
[05-Aug-2010 14:19:57] <mray> citrus2: QA signed off on it, there still some hold up
[05-Aug-2010 14:20:06] <mray> s/there/there's/
[05-Aug-2010 14:20:28] <mray> some buggy enterprise ZenPack
[05-Aug-2010 14:20:45] <mray> dev is already working on 3.0.2
[05-Aug-2010 14:21:35] <mray> nickanderson: if you could write up what you've done and what you're seeing, JP said he'd take a look
[05-Aug-2010 14:21:43] <nickanderson> Ok
[05-Aug-2010 14:21:49] <mray> nickanderson: just post it in the forums
[05-Aug-2010 14:21:52] <nickanderson> yeah
[05-Aug-2010 14:21:55] <nickanderson> will do
[05-Aug-2010 14:21:56] <mray> he usually looks for jmx questions
[05-Aug-2010 14:21:57] <nickanderson> thanks
[05-Aug-2010 14:33:01] <dec3pti0n> guess the apachemonitor 2.6 egg is not working
[05-Aug-2010 14:36:27] <mray> dec3pti0n: it works for me
[05-Aug-2010 14:36:45] <mray> the Core Apache Monitor ZenPack?
[05-Aug-2010 14:37:14] <mray> or is there a bug with the .egg?
[05-Aug-2010 14:37:33] <dec3pti0n> yeah bunch of my boxes now are having issues with the server-status check .. working on that now
[05-Aug-2010 14:38:14] <mray> dec3pti0n: are you running mod-status?
[05-Aug-2010 14:38:32] <dec3pti0n> yeah it was working fine on 2.5.1
[05-Aug-2010 14:40:55] <dec3pti0n> trying to restart the perf collector
[05-Aug-2010 14:42:03] <dec3pti0n> hehe model devies works on FF 3.6 :)
[05-Aug-2010 14:42:21] <nickanderson> thread/14150
[05-Aug-2010 14:48:08] <mray> dec3pti0n: yeah, the streaming of command output is broken for webkit browsers (modeling, jobs, etc.)
[05-Aug-2010 15:02:27] <dec3pti0n> how would I go to model all devices under /Server/Linux/Apaches but only for collecting apache data ? I see in the docs and zenmodeler run --help that I can do ... zenmodeler run -v10 -p '/Server/Linux/Apaches' --collect=???
[05-Aug-2010 15:02:48] <dec3pti0n> can i have just apache to the --collect ?
[05-Aug-2010 15:05:11] <mray> not sure you need the —collect
[05-Aug-2010 15:11:52] <dec3pti0n> do I need to restart zenoss after changing a value on a data source setting ?
[05-Aug-2010 15:12:13] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: no
[05-Aug-2010 15:12:18] <dec3pti0n> I have changed the apache port to 443 but I still keep on getting events with the zencommnand pointing to 80
[05-Aug-2010 15:12:28] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: you only need to restart Zenoss after installing ZenPacks (and even then sometimes you don't)
[05-Aug-2010 15:12:42] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: push changes to the device
[05-Aug-2010 15:12:48] <rmatte> erm, to the collector
[05-Aug-2010 15:12:49] <rmatte> rather
[05-Aug-2010 15:12:57] <rmatte> otherwise the collector won't be aware of the change for up to an hour
[05-Aug-2010 15:17:55] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[05-Aug-2010 15:23:02] <dec3pti0n> i guess i can run zenmodeler against all the devices under the /Server/Linux/Apache path ... I can only find the push changes doing one by one on the UI
[05-Aug-2010 15:35:20] <rmatte> yeh, you can only do it 1 by 1
[05-Aug-2010 15:35:24] <rmatte> or you can just restart Zenoss
[05-Aug-2010 15:35:26] <rmatte> whatever you prefer
[05-Aug-2010 15:35:44] <rmatte> I usually just do it 1 by 1, it's not that bad
[05-Aug-2010 15:35:57] <rmatte> actually, you can push changed for a whole class
[05-Aug-2010 15:36:02] <rmatte> or at least you could in the old UI
[05-Aug-2010 15:36:08] <dec3pti0n> i tried restarting it before ... well the zenmodeler just finished ... there are just a few devices that i'm doing by hand
[05-Aug-2010 15:36:44] <rmatte> hmmm, you can't push changed for a class anymore from the looks of it
[05-Aug-2010 15:48:26] <dec3pti0n> wow cool now it all seems calm down :)
[05-Aug-2010 15:48:42] <rmatte> cool
[05-Aug-2010 16:33:41] sideon1 is now known as sideone
[05-Aug-2010 16:33:42] * Simon4 wonders if he can enter for the holiday without taking the "small tour" ;)
[05-Aug-2010 16:34:10] <Simon4> s/holiday/serious conference thing/
[05-Aug-2010 16:37:34] <nickanderson> ugh stupid jmx
[05-Aug-2010 16:37:41] <rmatte> lol
[05-Aug-2010 16:37:59] <nickanderson> either i am an idiot, or it just dont work
[05-Aug-2010 16:38:01] <nickanderson> lol
[05-Aug-2010 16:38:24] <nickanderson> well jmx works at least with jconsole just not with zenoss
[05-Aug-2010 16:47:26] <nickanderson> my eyes want to gry
[05-Aug-2010 16:47:27] <nickanderson> cry
[05-Aug-2010 16:47:33] <nickanderson> or bleed
[05-Aug-2010 16:47:35] <rmatte> lol
[05-Aug-2010 16:48:20] <nickanderson> more support for rmattes theory that no one knows how to use the jmx zenpack
[05-Aug-2010 16:48:27] <rmatte> yup
[05-Aug-2010 16:48:39] <nickanderson> it makes no sense
[05-Aug-2010 16:48:40] <nickanderson> lol
[05-Aug-2010 16:48:40] <rmatte> well not no one, just very few who actually hang around here
[05-Aug-2010 16:48:42] <rmatte> post on the forums
[05-Aug-2010 16:48:42] <nickanderson> it really dosnt
[05-Aug-2010 16:48:45] <nickanderson> i did
[05-Aug-2010 16:49:27] <nickanderson> got some clarification to basically ignore the zenJMX template
[05-Aug-2010 16:49:28] <rmatte> That's one of the few ZenPacks that I've never looked at
[05-Aug-2010 16:49:29] <Simon4> at our work the jmx zenpack got replaced by a (not so) small shell script
[05-Aug-2010 16:49:37] <rmatte> lol
[05-Aug-2010 16:49:38] <nickanderson> lol
[05-Aug-2010 16:49:50] <Simon4> was before my time, so I don't know why
[05-Aug-2010 16:50:04] <nickanderson> because they ran into something similar to what i am
[05-Aug-2010 16:50:06] <nickanderson> lol
[05-Aug-2010 16:50:13] <nickanderson> not working for no apparent reason
[05-Aug-2010 16:50:44] <nickanderson> to be sure jmx worked from the host i even brought up jconsole over ssh x forwarding
[05-Aug-2010 16:50:47] <nickanderson> that was painful
[05-Aug-2010 16:50:50] <nickanderson> but it worked lol
[05-Aug-2010 16:55:33] <rmatte> x forwarding isn't bad if you're on a linux workstation
[05-Aug-2010 16:55:53] <nickanderson> I am, not hard to do by any means. I mean painful drawing
[05-Aug-2010 16:56:02] <rmatte> I just add this to my bashrc: alias ssh-x='ssh -c arcfour,blowfish-cbc -YC'
[05-Aug-2010 16:56:07] <rmatte> then use ssh-x to connect
[05-Aug-2010 16:56:13] <rmatte> with those compression options it flies
[05-Aug-2010 16:56:17] <rmatte> much much faster than default
[05-Aug-2010 16:56:27] <nickanderson> mmm i do it so rarely
[05-Aug-2010 16:56:38] <rmatte> meh, save that to your bashrc anyways for future use
[05-Aug-2010 16:56:40] <rmatte> very handy
[05-Aug-2010 16:56:45] <nickanderson> thx
[05-Aug-2010 16:56:47] <rmatte> np
[05-Aug-2010 16:57:07] <rmatte> I'd love to see a windows X client that supported that compression
[05-Aug-2010 16:57:11] <Orv> Argh! What does it mean when ZenPack installs fail silently?
[05-Aug-2010 16:57:12] <rmatte> but there aren't any
[05-Aug-2010 16:57:26] <rmatte> Orv: what do you mean by fails silently?
[05-Aug-2010 16:57:38] <Orv> That is, they appear in the ZenPack directory on the server, but never appear in the web interface as "Loaded Zenpacks"
[05-Aug-2010 16:58:07] <Orv> I've tried about 8 ZenPacks today and only the ones written by Egor Puzanov have loaded - go figure...
[05-Aug-2010 16:58:44] <nickanderson> are you loading them via the gui or via the cli?
[05-Aug-2010 16:58:51] <Orv> nickanderson: the GUI.
[05-Aug-2010 16:58:53] <rmatte> Orv: oh, you're using Zenoss 3.0?
[05-Aug-2010 16:58:57] <Orv> rmatte: Yes.
[05-Aug-2010 16:59:04] <nickanderson> you might need to restart zope or something
[05-Aug-2010 16:59:14] <rmatte> did you remove the -py2.4 from the ZenPack name before installing?
[05-Aug-2010 16:59:19] <rmatte> if you didn't, they won't install in 3.0
[05-Aug-2010 16:59:21] <Orv> rmatte: Hrm - nope.
[05-Aug-2010 16:59:30] <rmatte> not all ZenPacks have been officially converted to work with 3.0 yet
[05-Aug-2010 16:59:38] <rmatte> but if you remove that part from the name most of them will install fine
[05-Aug-2010 16:59:42] <Orv> Do I need to rename them 3.0, or just remove the version?
[05-Aug-2010 16:59:44] <Orv> OK.
[05-Aug-2010 16:59:48] <Orv> I'll give it a shot - thanks.
[05-Aug-2010 16:59:52] <rmatte> np
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[05-Aug-2010 17:01:17] <Orv> rmatte: Well... same symptoms. Do I need to restart anything?
[05-Aug-2010 17:01:33] <Orv> Oh - hmm.. should I remove the directory from the server?
[05-Aug-2010 17:02:03] <Orv> Oh wait - that's the renamed .egg directory. So it installed on the server OK.
[05-Aug-2010 17:02:16] <Mousey> hi
[05-Aug-2010 17:02:27] <Orv> Mousey: Hey!
[05-Aug-2010 17:02:31] <Mousey> oh, hey orv
[05-Aug-2010 17:02:31] <rmatte> Orv: if it installed ok it should be in the ZenPacks list
[05-Aug-2010 17:02:42] <Orv> rmatte: Then it failed... :-/
[05-Aug-2010 17:02:59] <rmatte> Orv: install from commandline, don't bother using the GUI
[05-Aug-2010 17:03:05] <rmatte> you don't get good error details in the GUI
[05-Aug-2010 17:03:05] <Orv> rmatte: Is there a log file someplace that details how the install went?
[05-Aug-2010 17:03:20] <Orv> OK, will do. Do I need to remove the .egg directory before I reinstall?
[05-Aug-2010 17:03:30] <rmatte> ssh to the server, become the zenoss user with: sudo su - zenoss
[05-Aug-2010 17:03:39] <rmatte> then do zenpack --install <filename>
[05-Aug-2010 17:03:41] <Mousey> in zenoss core 3, if i create a production state, anyone know how i can display machines in that state in the INFRASTRUCTURE/Devices tab?
[05-Aug-2010 17:03:50] <rmatte> no, do not remove any of those directories
[05-Aug-2010 17:04:08] <rmatte> I've seen that mess up an install before when someone just started removing them
[05-Aug-2010 17:04:13] <rmatte> rename them if you want
[05-Aug-2010 17:04:17] <rmatte> just don't delete them
[05-Aug-2010 17:04:21] <nickanderson> I guess I havent seen the ability to create a production state
[05-Aug-2010 17:04:27] <nickanderson> just set one of the predefinedones
[05-Aug-2010 17:04:33] <Orv> rmatte: well, that was exciting...
[05-Aug-2010 17:04:46] <rmatte> nickanderson: it's under settings, you just add ones to the list of states with the appropriate number
[05-Aug-2010 17:04:55] <nickanderson> nifty
[05-Aug-2010 17:05:05] <rmatte> Mousey: they should be displayed
[05-Aug-2010 17:05:14] <rmatte> Mousey: are you talking about only displaying devices in that state?
[05-Aug-2010 17:05:16] <Orv> rmatte: Can I paste the first 4 lines here, or do it privately, or pastebin, or?
[05-Aug-2010 17:05:20] <Mousey> nickanderson: its been the same for a while, under ADVANCED, and in the State Conversions field, just add a line with a priority before it
[05-Aug-2010 17:05:37] <rmatte> Mousey: oh, I get what you're saying, since there's a dropdown with states now
[05-Aug-2010 17:05:47] <rmatte> Mousey: good question actually, that'll affect me as well
[05-Aug-2010 17:06:29] <Mousey> rmatte: when i look at Devices under INFRASTRUCTURE, there's the production state dropdown that lets you filter by prod state, all the predefined ones are there, just not the one(s) i've defined
[05-Aug-2010 17:06:53] <rmatte> yeh, I understand
[05-Aug-2010 17:07:03] <rmatte> that's a bug/regression in my opinion
[05-Aug-2010 17:07:08] <rmatte> they probably just didn't think about it
[05-Aug-2010 17:07:13] <rmatte> open a trac ticket for it
[05-Aug-2010 17:07:24] <rmatte> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac login with zenoss/zenoss
[05-Aug-2010 17:07:30] <rmatte> click New Ticket
[05-Aug-2010 17:08:21] <nickanderson> I wish that production state box would remember its setting
[05-Aug-2010 17:08:30] <Mousey> *mumble* *grumble*
[05-Aug-2010 17:08:32] <Mousey> ^_^
[05-Aug-2010 17:08:33] <Mousey> ok
[05-Aug-2010 17:08:36] * Mousey makes new ticket
[05-Aug-2010 17:10:56] <nickanderson> Datasource Thread Count manageIp or device properties not specified
[05-Aug-2010 17:11:03] <nickanderson> how about that from the zenjmx logs
[05-Aug-2010 17:11:19] <nickanderson> manageIP or device properties not specified
[05-Aug-2010 17:11:29] <Mousey> can i monitor toner levels yet?
[05-Aug-2010 17:11:41] <nickanderson> ive done that before Mousey
[05-Aug-2010 17:11:45] <Mousey> k
[05-Aug-2010 17:11:56] <rmatte> Mousey: no idea if the printer ZenPack works with 3.0
[05-Aug-2010 17:12:00] <Orv> rmatte: the command line failed. Not sure what the error msg means. Can I paste one line in here?
[05-Aug-2010 17:12:12] <rmatte> Orv: fpaste.org the whole failure
[05-Aug-2010 17:12:14] <Mousey> nickanderson: how?!
[05-Aug-2010 17:12:44] <nickanderson> Mousey: found the oid for toner percentage left on whatever printer it was I was using
[05-Aug-2010 17:12:48] <rmatte> Mousey: give me a link to the ticket when you're done creating it
[05-Aug-2010 17:12:57] <rmatte> I want to CC myself on it so that I can push to get that fixed
[05-Aug-2010 17:13:57] <Orv> rmatte: http://fpaste.org/FjCh/
[05-Aug-2010 17:14:13] <|rt|> the printer zenpack doesn't seem to work correctly in 3.0
[05-Aug-2010 17:14:19] <Orv> rmatte: I think I may know what's wrong.
[05-Aug-2010 17:14:39] <|rt|> you can change the egg file name and it loads but I don't see an option to bind the templates it provides to printers
[05-Aug-2010 17:14:53] <|rt|> If I remember correctly that's how it worked in 2.5.x
[05-Aug-2010 17:16:25] <|rt|> oh I take that back...you can bind it to the printer class
[05-Aug-2010 17:16:54] <|rt|> I was trying to bind it to the printers directly
[05-Aug-2010 17:17:39] <|rt|> of course the printers we have don't seem to provide the toner levels in a way that the templates understand
[05-Aug-2010 17:18:32] <Orv> rmatte: I found the problem: the operator can't read
[05-Aug-2010 17:18:57] <rmatte> |rt|: well, the pack doesn't support every printer known to man obviously, lol
[05-Aug-2010 17:19:11] <rmatte> Orv: what do you mean the operator can't read?
[05-Aug-2010 17:19:13] <|rt|> well it should :)
[05-Aug-2010 17:19:45] <|rt|> we have Kyrocera Mita printers and they don't seem to publish their OIDs anywhere so it makes monitoring them tough
[05-Aug-2010 17:19:49] <Mousey> rmatte: http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/7161
[05-Aug-2010 17:19:51] <Mousey> good nuff?
[05-Aug-2010 17:20:00] <rmatte> actually, I really have to head home, was just finishing some stuff up before I left, worked an extra hour which I won't be paid for :P
[05-Aug-2010 17:20:12] <rmatte> Mousey: having a quick look...
[05-Aug-2010 17:20:31] <rmatte> Mousey: that's perfect
[05-Aug-2010 17:20:35] <Mousey> =)
[05-Aug-2010 17:20:53] <Mousey> i can't monitor the comings and goings of notebooks til it's fixed =(
[05-Aug-2010 17:20:54] <rmatte> I just added myself to the CC list for it
[05-Aug-2010 17:21:01] <rmatte> I'll push to get it in to 3.0.2
[05-Aug-2010 17:21:06] <Mousey> <3
[05-Aug-2010 17:21:12] <rmatte> It won't make it in to 3.0.1 at this point unfortunately
[05-Aug-2010 17:21:16] <Mousey> np
[05-Aug-2010 17:21:34] <rmatte> anyways, I'm out, cheers folks
[05-Aug-2010 17:21:38] * Mousey waves
[05-Aug-2010 17:22:02] <Orv> Later Marc
[05-Aug-2010 17:22:14] <Mousey> cu
[05-Aug-2010 17:22:34] <Orv> rmatte: I mean the system administrator can't read instructions properly :-/
[05-Aug-2010 17:25:22] <Orv> |rt|: We have the same problem with K-M printers.
[05-Aug-2010 17:26:01] <|rt|> Orv yeah I've been slowly mapping out some of the traps that the printer sends out
[05-Aug-2010 17:27:20] <|rt|> rmatte: the printer zen pack is throwing some python errors....now that I remember I think I unbound it b/c of that
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[05-Aug-2010 18:05:06] <Orv> Grrr... it happened again. I dragged a switch into the appropriate class, and Zenoss dropped it on the floor. Poof, gone...
[05-Aug-2010 18:06:45] <nickanderson> that sounds about as aggrivating as me not being able to get the jmx zenpack to poll data
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[05-Aug-2010 20:44:11] <JuStIcIa_> is any one alive ?
[05-Aug-2010 20:44:53] <JuStIcIa_> zenoss is working on one module for Netflow ?
[05-Aug-2010 20:57:28] <nickanderson> im alive
[05-Aug-2010 20:57:37] <nickanderson> no clue about the netflow thing
[05-Aug-2010 21:00:38] <Glace> a module for cloud.com would be nice :0
[05-Aug-2010 21:00:40] <JuStIcIa_> :S
[05-Aug-2010 21:01:01] <JuStIcIa_> im think to install ntop
[05-Aug-2010 21:01:17] <JuStIcIa_> is a opensource tool for netflow
[05-Aug-2010 21:01:31] <JuStIcIa_> i see one script on .py for scrutinizer
[05-Aug-2010 21:01:41] <JuStIcIa_> but scrutinizer is not free
[05-Aug-2010 21:01:43] <JuStIcIa_> :S
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[06-Aug-2010 02:03:40] <lemma> hi there! is this the right channel to ask for help with community zenpacks? I'm having trouble with the MsSQL ODBC pack. on remodeling I get http://pastebin.com/ppyPrU4D.
[06-Aug-2010 02:32:30] <fragfutter> lemma: it's the right channel, but i have no idea.
[06-Aug-2010 02:32:44] <lemma> fragfutter: alright, thanks. then I'll just hang out and wait :-)
[06-Aug-2010 02:33:24] <fragfutter> lemma: it's pretty idle around here till evening (assuming from your ID you are from germany). And friday evening is also not the best time.
[06-Aug-2010 02:37:42] <fragfutter> oh, mssql odbc is written by egor (irc nick bigegor). he is also normaly around in the evening.
[06-Aug-2010 02:39:17] <fragfutter> you could try and run zenmodeler run --now --monitor localhost -F -v 10 -d <hostname>
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[07-Aug-2010 10:36:15] <aljosa> i'm looking for a way to access raw data in zodb, i've found docs/DOC-3153 but i'm actually looking for api i can use to access data from ipython. can somebody point me to proper docs?
[07-Aug-2010 12:17:03] <JonnyV> afternoon guys
[07-Aug-2010 13:53:23] <aclark> halo
[07-Aug-2010 13:59:17] <JonnyV> helou
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[08-Aug-2010 00:03:24] <Parabola> whats a good informational source for remote collectors?
[08-Aug-2010 04:58:03] <Tadik> hi all
[08-Aug-2010 04:59:53] <Tadik> any body know why when i want to add > autodiscover devices,the windows authentication optiion not there?
[08-Aug-2010 05:01:58] <Tadik> ppl stop sleeping,need help here:))))))))))
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[08-Aug-2010 12:45:47] <aljosa> i'm getting "TypeError ('Could not adapt', , )" when i click on "Apache (/Server)" but i can't figure out what's wrong. i've added template after i've installed zenpack. any ideas?
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[08-Aug-2010 16:03:33] <Parabola> okay so i have a clean unbuntu server i just setup, i download the zenoss bin file, apache and mysql are already on the box.. the bin file created screwed up directory structure
[08-Aug-2010 16:03:43] <Parabola> its /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/bin
[08-Aug-2010 16:03:51] <Parabola> is this actually intentional?
[08-Aug-2010 16:04:00] <Parabola> i used defaults on every prompt during install
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[09-Aug-2010 01:02:08] <aljosa> i'm getting "TypeError ('Could not adapt', , )" when i click on "Apache (/Server)" but i can't figure out what's wrong. i've added template after i've installed zenpack. any ideas?
[09-Aug-2010 02:56:47] <aljosa> i'm getting "TypeError ('Could not adapt', , )" when i click on "Apache (/Server)" but i can't figure out what's wrong. i've added template after i've installed zenpack. any ideas?
[09-Aug-2010 02:59:10] <fragfutter> aljosa did you restart after adding the zenpack?
[09-Aug-2010 03:02:31] <aljosa> fragfutter: thanks, it's working now
[09-Aug-2010 03:04:26] <aljosa> it's strange that i need to restart zenoss after zenpack installation, is it only me or is there a good reason for this?
[09-Aug-2010 03:09:35] <fragfutter> aljosa: zope needs to load the new object definition. It's easiest to restart.
[09-Aug-2010 03:13:49] <aljosa> fragfutter: sure, but it would be better if "zenpack --install" emits event when it finishes installing new zenpack and reloads only what is required. it just looks wrong to me that new zenpack requires service restart.
[09-Aug-2010 03:15:05] <fragfutter> yep.
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[09-Aug-2010 07:22:39] <Weetos> I once somehow customized my zenoss navigation menu (the one at the left side), by adding custom event views. I need to add some more entries but can't remember how I did that - and searching the web and forum didn't help at all - absolutely no results match my search queries 'zenoss customize navigation menu' or 'adding custom menu items' etc
[09-Aug-2010 07:22:48] <Weetos> Anyone ?
[09-Aug-2010 07:23:39] <st3v3o> oh I did this also….let me see if I can find a wiki article I made on it
[09-Aug-2010 07:25:55] <Weetos> oh thanks st3v3o
[09-Aug-2010 07:26:20] <st3v3o> hmmm…not on my wiki…let me see if I can find it else where
[09-Aug-2010 07:51:17] <Weetos> it's weird I just can't find anything dealing with that topic
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[09-Aug-2010 08:44:24] * rmatte yawns while java updates install
[09-Aug-2010 08:44:43] <rhettardo> is there a way to disable zensyslog for a host
[09-Aug-2010 08:45:33] <rmatte> rhettardo: obviously you mean on the zenoss side?
[09-Aug-2010 08:45:41] <rhettardo> word
[09-Aug-2010 08:46:13] <rmatte> the only way is via a transform
[09-Aug-2010 08:46:26] <rhettardo> meh
[09-Aug-2010 08:46:52] <Weetos> rhettardo> you may add an iptables rule blocking the udp 514 trafic from that host
[09-Aug-2010 08:47:12] <rhettardo> yeah i know
[09-Aug-2010 08:47:40] <rmatte> if evt.agent == "zensyslog" and evt.device == "devicename":
[09-Aug-2010 08:47:40] <rmatte> evt._action = 'drop'
[09-Aug-2010 08:47:43] <rhettardo> i'll just do some other magic
[09-Aug-2010 08:47:56] <rhettardo> thank u sir
[09-Aug-2010 08:48:03] <chachan> good morning people :)
[09-Aug-2010 08:48:05] <rmatte> add that to the /Unknown class
[09-Aug-2010 08:48:42] <rmatte> chachan: morning
[09-Aug-2010 08:52:28] <twm1010> hrmm... updates WMI datasource from v1.5 to 2.5, seems to have broke a lot of crap
[09-Aug-2010 08:53:40] <rmatte> twm1010: they're up to 2.8 now I think
[09-Aug-2010 08:54:00] <twm1010> ya, but that's for zenoss3 w/python 2.6
[09-Aug-2010 08:54:06] <rmatte> right
[09-Aug-2010 08:54:10] <twm1010> i used the newest python 2.4 version
[09-Aug-2010 08:54:14] <rmatte> so you just just moved from 2.4 to 2.5?
[09-Aug-2010 08:54:27] <twm1010> no, 1.4 to 2.5
[09-Aug-2010 08:54:30] <twm1010> err 1.5 to 2.5
[09-Aug-2010 08:54:52] <twm1010> ah, working now
[09-Aug-2010 08:54:57] <twm1010> full blown reboot fixed it.
[09-Aug-2010 08:54:58] <twm1010> weird.
[09-Aug-2010 08:55:27] <twm1010> we'll chalk that up to voodoo
[09-Aug-2010 08:56:03] <rhettardo> ha
[09-Aug-2010 08:56:18] <rmatte> lol
[09-Aug-2010 08:56:33] <rmatte> yeh, I found I had to reboot all my boxes after my upgrade to 2.5 as well for some reason
[09-Aug-2010 08:56:43] <rmatte> lord knows why
[09-Aug-2010 08:56:51] <rmatte> If I didn't zope would refuse to start
[09-Aug-2010 08:57:13] <twm1010> hrmm.. i was getting "No handlers could be found for logger "root"
[09-Aug-2010 08:57:22] <twm1010> and NT 0x800blahblahblah errors testing the datasource
[09-Aug-2010 08:58:15] <rmatte> oh, are you using the stack installer?
[09-Aug-2010 09:01:41] <rmatte> woohoo, my vacation request was granted
[09-Aug-2010 09:01:51] <rmatte> I'm off next week, meaning I have a ton of stuff to get done this week
[09-Aug-2010 09:02:01] <Grizmawe> Afternoon all - in zenoss 3.0 when I enter the SMTP details in the settings, is there a way to send a test email to see if it is working correctly?
[09-Aug-2010 09:02:08] <rhettardo> lucky you
[09-Aug-2010 09:02:18] <rmatte> Grizmawe: yes, there's a test link for doing that
[09-Aug-2010 09:02:33] <rhettardo> im going to try to get a day off this week and the 23rd for vegas. be like my 3rd day off for the year
[09-Aug-2010 09:02:37] <rmatte> Grizmawe: go to the users page, the alerts are configured there
[09-Aug-2010 09:03:37] <Grizmawe> thats the ticket - simple when you know how :)
[09-Aug-2010 09:03:44] <Grizmawe> rmatte, many thanks
[09-Aug-2010 09:03:52] <rmatte> np
[09-Aug-2010 09:12:24] <JonnyV> guys when performing an auto discovery for a network, is it posible that Device field is completed with dns name? probably reverse dns is needed right?
[09-Aug-2010 09:13:14] <Weetos> JonnyV> yep you need a reverse dns entry for the device
[09-Aug-2010 09:14:07] <Weetos> but I think if no reverse is found, it choose the SNMP device name, then the IP address it that fails
[09-Aug-2010 09:14:29] <Weetos> *if that fails*
[09-Aug-2010 09:14:55] <JonnyV> ok. will test that. thanks Weetos
[09-Aug-2010 09:15:08] <Weetos> np
[09-Aug-2010 09:27:03] <rmatte> Infrastructure -> Networks -> Prefer Name Discovered Via SNMP to DNS? (zPreferSnmpNaming)
[09-Aug-2010 09:27:07] <rmatte> just FYI about that option
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[09-Aug-2010 09:36:09] <theacolyte> So my new job has PRTG and SCOM :(
[09-Aug-2010 09:36:29] <theacolyte> Jury is still out on PTG
[09-Aug-2010 09:36:32] <theacolyte> err PRTG
[09-Aug-2010 09:36:59] <theacolyte> It basically seems like cacti with a better UI
[09-Aug-2010 09:40:02] <rhettardo> w/o rrdtool
[09-Aug-2010 09:40:08] <theacolyte> yeah
[09-Aug-2010 09:41:04] <rhettardo> i like cacti
[09-Aug-2010 09:41:36] <rmatte> Zenoss can pretty much do anything cacti can
[09-Aug-2010 09:42:03] <rhettardo> it can do most of it. but i can build custom templates pretty easily in cacti
[09-Aug-2010 09:42:21] <rhettardo> but i've always used it for years and am used to how to do all that stuff
[09-Aug-2010 09:43:18] <mray> there's a Cacti parser in the Command data source, that's the one I usually use
[09-Aug-2010 09:43:26] <theacolyte> Yeah I'll be honest, I'm still too new to rock the boat, but my feeling is that I am putting in zenoss pretty quickly
[09-Aug-2010 09:44:25] <mray> sounds good to me :)
[09-Aug-2010 09:44:27] <rhettardo> zenoss is much easier to use. i started using cacti first and dove into making my own custom graphs and templates, then started using zenoss. now i use them both for different things
[09-Aug-2010 09:46:22] <rhettardo> i wish android was more stable. wiping my phone every month is getting annoying
[09-Aug-2010 09:47:36] <nickanderson> what phone?
[09-Aug-2010 09:47:43] <rhettardo> droid
[09-Aug-2010 09:48:01] <nickanderson> hum not hearing that many of my friends have that issue
[09-Aug-2010 09:48:07] <nickanderson> or any co-workers
[09-Aug-2010 09:48:16] <theacolyte> I had that with my droid for awhile, but 2.1 fixed it
[09-Aug-2010 09:48:28] <rhettardo> most of the networking decides to stop working all together
[09-Aug-2010 09:48:36] <nickanderson> fancy
[09-Aug-2010 09:48:41] <mray> I got a free Nexus One at OSCON, still haven't switched over
[09-Aug-2010 09:48:46] <rhettardo> im sure thats a feature
[09-Aug-2010 09:48:48] <rmatte> mray: lucky you
[09-Aug-2010 09:49:07] <mray> yup, for the low price of admission to OSCON, you can get a $200 unlocked phone
[09-Aug-2010 09:49:13] <rhettardo> even w/o all the buggy shit its still annoying
[09-Aug-2010 09:49:21] <rmatte> lol, what's the "low price admission"?
[09-Aug-2010 09:49:21] <theacolyte> Looks like I'm getting an Evo through work
[09-Aug-2010 09:49:42] <nickanderson> im waiting on the gsm droid 2
[09-Aug-2010 09:49:51] <mray> rmatte: $1200 or so
[09-Aug-2010 09:50:03] <mray> I had a discount code ;)
[09-Aug-2010 09:50:12] <rmatte> my god
[09-Aug-2010 09:50:14] <theacolyte> You can get one through the google io conference
[09-Aug-2010 09:50:18] <rmatte> they are certainly making their money
[09-Aug-2010 09:50:19] <rmatte> lol
[09-Aug-2010 09:50:22] <theacolyte> that's how I got my google development phone
[09-Aug-2010 09:50:43] <gwb2351> any multi-graph report wizards available for a few questions?
[09-Aug-2010 09:50:49] <nickanderson> Ugh, still cant seem to get this stupid jmx thing to work
[09-Aug-2010 09:50:51] <nickanderson> heh
[09-Aug-2010 09:50:55] <nickanderson> this is getting old
[09-Aug-2010 09:51:15] <rhettardo> setting up multigraphs are usually pretty trivial
[09-Aug-2010 09:51:43] <gwb2351> trying to aggregate traffic of two netapp filers in a single graph (instead of just showing the traffic of each individual filer)
[09-Aug-2010 09:51:53] <gwb2351> which is where i'm at
[09-Aug-2010 09:52:18] <gwb2351> (having two e0as ifInOctets, ifOutOctets lines)
[09-Aug-2010 09:52:29] <rhettardo> setup a rule to sum the two inputs
[09-Aug-2010 09:52:50] <rhettardo> i am abotu to pass out so im agoing to be of little help
[09-Aug-2010 09:52:57] <gwb2351> no worries
[09-Aug-2010 09:53:05] <gwb2351> is that in the graph custom def area, or where?
[09-Aug-2010 09:53:13] <gwb2351> (graph commands)
[09-Aug-2010 09:53:13] <rhettardo> yeah
[09-Aug-2010 09:53:29] <rhettardo> rmatte or mray may have a better plan but thats where i would do it
[09-Aug-2010 09:53:36] <nickanderson> the kicker is not being able to alert on that
[09-Aug-2010 09:53:48] <gwb2351> nah, this is just a report for planning purposes
[09-Aug-2010 09:54:04] <gwb2351> "how much traffic are the netapps doing these days?"
[09-Aug-2010 09:54:43] <gwb2351> i watched the video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qME_7Zh4yOc which was a great show-n-tell
[09-Aug-2010 09:54:52] <gwb2351> will continue to google about
[09-Aug-2010 09:55:06] <rhettardo> ha. nice i didnt know those existed
[09-Aug-2010 09:55:07] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[09-Aug-2010 09:56:52] <gwb2351> OP: blogs/zenossblog/2010/02/21/tutorial-creating-multigraph-reports-in-zenoss
[09-Aug-2010 09:59:44] <nickanderson> "manageIp or device properties not specified" is killing me in the zenjmx logs
[09-Aug-2010 10:00:37] <sciolist> gwb2351: why are you wanting to aggregate the pair?
[09-Aug-2010 10:01:03] * sciolist reads scrollback...
[09-Aug-2010 10:01:12] <sciolist> nm
[09-Aug-2010 10:01:28] <gwb2351> you're the one putting all our filers behind a FWSM. I want to see how much traffic they're pushing
[09-Aug-2010 10:04:01] <nickanderson> anyone using the jmx zenpack with 3.0 successfully?
[09-Aug-2010 10:11:20] <gwb2351> best response I've seen so far that's applicable: http://www.mail-archive.com/zenoss-users@zenoss.org/msg23958.html//www.mail-archive.com/zenoss-users@zenoss.org/msg23958.html
[09-Aug-2010 10:12:16] <Weetos> I once somehow customized my zenoss navigation menu (the one at the left side), by adding custom event views. I need to add some more entries but can't remember how I did that - and searching the web and forum didn't help at all - absolutely no results match my search queries 'zenoss customize navigation menu' or 'adding custom menu items' etc
[09-Aug-2010 10:12:41] <Weetos> anyone ?
[09-Aug-2010 10:21:52] <rmatte> no idea, never even tried that before
[09-Aug-2010 10:22:51] <Simon4> Weetos: I remember seeing the article too, but I can't for the life of me find it again :/
[09-Aug-2010 10:25:54] <dec3pti0n> do you guys have issues with 1gb ethernet and some high utilization alerts ? I know on the old version 2.5.1 I had changed the high threshold equation but I can't remember
[09-Aug-2010 10:26:47] <Weetos> thanks Simon4 that weird nobody can't find that article again ( st3v3o looked for it too and didn't find it either)
[09-Aug-2010 10:28:00] <Weetos> thanks guys for your time - hopefully I'll find a way
[09-Aug-2010 10:32:23] <nickanderson> dec3pti0n: I have to do that on xen domUs
[09-Aug-2010 10:32:41] <nickanderson> the nic speed is reported at 100M instead of 1000M
[09-Aug-2010 10:33:13] <dec3pti0n> nickanderson: where do u see the nic speed on zenoss ? or are talking about the actual vm ?
[09-Aug-2010 10:33:42] <dec3pti0n> nevermind found it on zenoss
[09-Aug-2010 10:33:43] <nickanderson> the actual vm reports the nic speed incorrectly, so I override the template in zenoss
[09-Aug-2010 10:36:12] <nickanderson> Ugh I am about ready to switch to check_jmx nagios plugin instead of continuing to fight with the jmx data source
[09-Aug-2010 10:39:16] <ashp> when we did our testing of zenoss i had nothing but goddamn jmx troubles
[09-Aug-2010 10:39:20] <ashp> and i never got any of it working like i wanted
[09-Aug-2010 10:39:25] <nickanderson> heh
[09-Aug-2010 10:39:42] <ashp> it was because of the crazy port issue in tomcat5
[09-Aug-2010 10:39:46] <ashp> but it tanked me completely :(
[09-Aug-2010 10:40:25] <nickanderson> well, i dunno whats wrong. As far as I can tell the zenpack is just broken
[09-Aug-2010 10:41:08] <nickanderson> it says "manageIp or device properties not specified" in the error logs. Dunno what thats about
[09-Aug-2010 10:41:16] <nickanderson> or device properties
[09-Aug-2010 10:41:19] <nickanderson> what properties?
[09-Aug-2010 10:41:19] <ashp> oh hmm, i definitely never got anything like that
[09-Aug-2010 10:41:21] <nickanderson> heh
[09-Aug-2010 10:43:22] <nickanderson> message/51568#51568
[09-Aug-2010 10:49:21] <ashp> don't you just need to set that property in zProperties
[09-Aug-2010 10:49:24] <ashp> the manageip thingybob?
[09-Aug-2010 10:49:33] <nickanderson> its set
[09-Aug-2010 10:49:34] <nickanderson> heh
[09-Aug-2010 10:49:39] <nickanderson> its set automatically
[09-Aug-2010 10:49:56] <nickanderson> same error with new device named as ip
[09-Aug-2010 10:49:58] <ashp> all i could think of was that it got wiped somehow or in the template it's not referring the right variable?
[09-Aug-2010 10:50:30] <nickanderson> and the manage reset ip errors when i try to reset to the ip that it already is
[09-Aug-2010 10:50:45] <nickanderson> the template does not use the zproperties, at least for port etc ...
[09-Aug-2010 10:50:49] <nickanderson> i overrode thsoe
[09-Aug-2010 10:53:11] <dec3pti0n> yeah on mine zenoss reports the speed correct and so does the system
[09-Aug-2010 10:53:47] <dec3pti0n> but the graph for the day of the alerts show that the throughput reached 300G on a 1gb nic :)
[09-Aug-2010 10:57:03] <rmatte> that's one heck of a NIC
[09-Aug-2010 10:57:38] <Simon4> sounds like a counter reset
[09-Aug-2010 10:57:44] <rmatte> yup
[09-Aug-2010 10:57:49] <rmatte> sounds like
[09-Aug-2010 10:57:55] <fragfutter> reminds me of the full filesystem alert with 2460% usage
[09-Aug-2010 10:58:04] <dec3pti0n> hehe
[09-Aug-2010 10:58:09] <rmatte> fragfutter: yeh, I've been getting a lot of those on some solaris servers
[09-Aug-2010 10:58:12] <rmatte> need to look in to why
[09-Aug-2010 10:58:18] <dec3pti0n> Simon4: snmp counter reset ?
[09-Aug-2010 10:58:32] <fragfutter> rmatte: i got them for systems that did mount-binds
[09-Aug-2010 10:58:44] <rmatte> mount-binds?
[09-Aug-2010 10:59:10] <nickanderson> bind mounts
[09-Aug-2010 10:59:12] <nickanderson> mount -o bind
[09-Aug-2010 10:59:14] <fragfutter> rmatte: mount --bind /somedir /somwhere
[09-Aug-2010 10:59:44] <rmatte> I see
[09-Aug-2010 10:59:51] <rmatte> similar to a symlink
[09-Aug-2010 10:59:57] <nickanderson> mmm
[09-Aug-2010 10:59:57] <fragfutter> yes
[09-Aug-2010 11:00:10] <rmatte> so that confuses snmp?
[09-Aug-2010 11:00:20] <nickanderson> I think it confuses df
[09-Aug-2010 11:00:22] <nickanderson> heh
[09-Aug-2010 11:00:31] <rmatte> ah, I can't actually get on those boxes to check
[09-Aug-2010 11:00:33] <fragfutter> rmatte: during boot the folder /foo is on filesystem / and has 10Gig total. Then snmp starts. then a bind occurs so /foo is now on /some/disk with 200GB, looked like snmp didn't get that now the total disk is 200GB. it reported disksize 10GB and 150GB usage
[09-Aug-2010 11:03:03] <rmatte> ah
[09-Aug-2010 11:03:10] <rmatte> I'm actually seeing negative values reported though
[09-Aug-2010 11:03:24] <rmatte> Available Bytes -232.1GB
[09-Aug-2010 11:03:28] <rmatte> for instance
[09-Aug-2010 11:03:38] <rmatte> that's what's causing it to think it's like 1000% utilization
[09-Aug-2010 11:03:51] <fragfutter> i don't remember exactly but i think thats the same
[09-Aug-2010 11:04:01] <rmatte> I don't even have access to the box to check df
[09-Aug-2010 11:04:06] <rmatte> I'll have to get some access
[09-Aug-2010 11:04:16] <fragfutter> check what snmp is reporting
[09-Aug-2010 11:06:43] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[09-Aug-2010 11:13:25] <rmatte> fragfutter: that has to be what it's reporting
[09-Aug-2010 11:13:43] <rmatte> I've deleted RRD files and remodeled several times, which has always worked in the past to fix stuff like this
[09-Aug-2010 11:14:53] <fragfutter> i would check the snmp values, then ask the sysadmin to restart snmpd (only snmpd not the whole system) and then check again
[09-Aug-2010 11:22:22] <rmatte> well, they are customer devices, I'm going to see if they'll provide login info
[09-Aug-2010 11:22:30] <rmatte> or if they can work with me at least
[09-Aug-2010 11:22:44] <rmatte> I'd rather just go in myself
[09-Aug-2010 11:22:49] <rmatte> much quicker
[09-Aug-2010 11:26:25] <rmatte> eugh, I wish I wasn't completely swamped so that I could work on finishing up and submitting my Catalyst ZenPack
[09-Aug-2010 11:26:49] <theacolyte> Catalyst switches? :)
[09-Aug-2010 11:30:53] <rmatte> yes
[09-Aug-2010 11:31:02] <rmatte> it has a template for cpu/memory for them
[09-Aug-2010 11:31:19] <rmatte> and it has a modeler plugin that picks up the proper interface names and descriptions
[09-Aug-2010 11:31:33] <rmatte> no more messing around with modifying InterfaceMap.py code to get it working
[09-Aug-2010 11:32:10] <rmatte> It works as an extension to InterfaceMap.py, just like InterfaceAliasMap does
[09-Aug-2010 13:12:28] <rmatte> hmmmm, looks like I might be able to package up the Catalyst ZenPack as early as tomorrow.
[09-Aug-2010 13:12:35] <rmatte> woot
[09-Aug-2010 13:32:09] <rmatte> eugh, now I have to work with solarwinds
[09-Aug-2010 13:32:11] * rmatte cringes
[09-Aug-2010 13:32:18] <Orv> Heh
[09-Aug-2010 13:38:03] <twm1010> rmatte: oh its not that bad
[09-Aug-2010 13:38:14] <twm1010> what I really don't like about it is no inheritance, anywhere
[09-Aug-2010 13:38:20] <twm1010> every single, god, damn, setting, is explicit
[09-Aug-2010 13:38:25] <rmatte> yeh, exactly
[09-Aug-2010 13:38:37] <rmatte> that's what makes it EXTREMELY TEEEEEDIOUSSSS!
[09-Aug-2010 13:38:38] <rmatte> lol
[09-Aug-2010 13:38:57] <rmatte> Takes 10x as long to do anything in Solarwinds
[09-Aug-2010 13:45:24] <twm1010> rmatte: i do like the reporting options
[09-Aug-2010 13:48:28] <rmatte> yeh, that's just about the only spot where it has a leg up
[09-Aug-2010 13:48:40] <rmatte> everything else is nightmarish
[09-Aug-2010 13:48:48] <rmatte> it looks pretty and has nice reporting
[09-Aug-2010 13:48:50] <rmatte> that's about it
[09-Aug-2010 13:57:35] <twm1010> bigegor: Any idea why I get this when modeling a device? http://pastebin.org/462647
[09-Aug-2010 13:58:01] <twm1010> I recently upgrade from WMI datasource 1.5 to 2.5
[09-Aug-2010 13:59:13] <bigegor> twm1010: you have another Zenpack whitch depend on ZenPacks.community.WMIDataSource==1.5
[09-Aug-2010 13:59:22] <twm1010> ah... ok
[09-Aug-2010 14:00:18] <bigegor> twm1010: check all your WMI Zenacks
[09-Aug-2010 14:00:55] <twm1010> im going through them, don't see any issues just yet
[09-Aug-2010 14:01:53] <twm1010> On Zen 2.5.2, WMI Datasource 2.5, WMI-IIS6 1.0, WMIPerf_Windows 2.1
[09-Aug-2010 14:03:43] <mray> here are Python 2.6 builds of all the ZenPacks in http://zenpacks.zenoss.org http://dev.zenoss.org/zenpacks/
[09-Aug-2010 14:04:37] <rmatte> twm1010: you need to upgrade those packs
[09-Aug-2010 14:04:55] <twm1010> Well, I didn't want to upgrade them past anything that ended in py2.4
[09-Aug-2010 14:05:07] <twm1010> maybe reinstall all of them anyway?
[09-Aug-2010 14:05:10] <rmatte> twm1010: right
[09-Aug-2010 14:05:14] <bigegor> twm1010: grep ZenPacks directory for 'ZenPacks.community.WMIDataSource==1.5' string
[09-Aug-2010 14:05:18] <rmatte> twm1010: check which one has that dependency listed
[09-Aug-2010 14:05:31] <rmatte> twm1010: go to their ZenPack pages, the dependencies will be listed
[09-Aug-2010 14:05:35] <rmatte> see which one is complaining
[09-Aug-2010 14:05:51] <twm1010> thats the thing, most of them say WMI Datasource >=1.0
[09-Aug-2010 14:06:53] <bigegor> twm1010: '>=1.0' is OK, but '==1.5' is not
[09-Aug-2010 14:07:48] <rmatte> twm1010: grep -ir "ZenPacks.community.WMIDataSource==1.5" $ZENHOME/ZenPacks
[09-Aug-2010 14:08:59] <bigegor> twm1010: you can use my last Zenpacks without py2.4 with both Zenoss 2.5.2 and 3.0.0
[09-Aug-2010 14:09:35] <rmatte> twm1010: there you go, update to the most recent then
[09-Aug-2010 14:11:03] <twm1010> ah, it's the MSSQL zenpack
[09-Aug-2010 14:12:35] <twm1010> bigegor: I'm on stack 2.5.2, obviously with py2.4, I should keep WMI datasource at 2.5, but the rest of the packs are good for upgrade?
[09-Aug-2010 14:13:19] <bigegor> twm1010: wmidatasource also gut for update
[09-Aug-2010 14:13:41] <twm1010> Hrmm... ok then. Wasn't sure if it was backwards compatible.
[09-Aug-2010 14:15:03] <twm1010> odd, the MSSQL ZP doesn't even show in the gui
[09-Aug-2010 14:25:15] <un33k> I have a quick question about doing a character replacement of a component.....I know that interfaceID = evt.component.replace('/', '_') will replace the slashes in an interface with an underscore. How would I combine the / replacement and then also replace a ":" with an underscore as well?
[09-Aug-2010 14:26:36] <un33k> I am trying to restrict link up/down events to only monitored interfaces as per phonegi's doc. My problem is that I have some interfaces with both slashes and colons in them.
[09-Aug-2010 14:30:37] <twm1010> bigegor: Do you find the WMI modeling to be any more or less overhead on the Zenoss server than SNMP?
[09-Aug-2010 14:34:40] <rmatte> twm1010: it has to be more
[09-Aug-2010 14:34:57] <rmatte> WMI is not exactly a lightweight protocol
[09-Aug-2010 14:35:01] <rmatte> lol
[09-Aug-2010 14:35:25] <twm1010> well, i'm just curious really
[09-Aug-2010 14:35:31] <twm1010> my Zenoss server running full tilt as it is
[09-Aug-2010 14:35:55] <st3v3o> mray: How do I go about getting a zenpack published?
[09-Aug-2010 14:36:03] <rmatte> st3v3o: talk to mray
[09-Aug-2010 14:36:18] <twm1010> zenperfsnmp collecting ~15K datapoints
[09-Aug-2010 14:36:37] <st3v3o> finished the what I guess you can call the 1.0 version of my AD zenpack
[09-Aug-2010 14:36:42] <rmatte> twm1010: I have a box doing almost 20k, 15k isn't that bad
[09-Aug-2010 14:36:52] <rmatte> st3v3o: cool
[09-Aug-2010 14:37:31] <twm1010> yeah, but is your box a 5 year old server?
[09-Aug-2010 14:37:43] <rmatte> nope
[09-Aug-2010 14:37:51] <rmatte> it's a VM running on a blade
[09-Aug-2010 14:38:15] <mray> st3v3o: just email me, then I do this: docs/DOC-7454/
[09-Aug-2010 14:38:23] <twm1010> mines DL380G4, 2x3Ghz, 6GB ram, RHEL5.4 32-bit, RAID5 for storage
[09-Aug-2010 14:38:37] <twm1010> the RAID5 hurting me in disk I/O
[09-Aug-2010 14:38:48] <rmatte> twm1010: that's plenty, besides the disk IO issue
[09-Aug-2010 14:38:56] <st3v3o> cool thanks mray.
[09-Aug-2010 14:38:56] <twm1010> I may steal a SAN LUN for Zenoss though :D
[09-Aug-2010 14:39:05] <rmatte> cool
[09-Aug-2010 14:39:11] <rmatte> LUN would work nicely
[09-Aug-2010 14:39:26] <rmatte> All 14 of my Zenoss servers run off the same SAN
[09-Aug-2010 14:39:34] <twm1010> how many ESX hosts?
[09-Aug-2010 14:39:56] <rmatte> but we run a total of like 35 ESX hosts across 3 blades and 1 SAN
[09-Aug-2010 14:39:59] <rmatte> still lots of room for more
[09-Aug-2010 14:40:12] <rmatte> the SAN is becoming a bit of a bottleneck though
[09-Aug-2010 14:40:19] <twm1010> what kind of SAN?
[09-Aug-2010 14:40:26] <rmatte> HP, I forget what model
[09-Aug-2010 14:40:30] <nickanderson> thats pretty dense
[09-Aug-2010 14:40:48] <nickanderson> 11.6 to 1
[09-Aug-2010 14:40:58] <rmatte> yup
[09-Aug-2010 14:41:03] <twm1010> Wow, something is murdering my Zenoss server with traps
[09-Aug-2010 14:41:14] <twm1010> must be something i classified to drop tho
[09-Aug-2010 14:41:36] <rmatte> nickanderson: the blades each have 15 to 20GHz of processing and 36 to 64 gigs of RAM
[09-Aug-2010 14:42:10] <rmatte> twm1010: yeh, that happens from time to time with some of my Zenoss servers
[09-Aug-2010 14:42:47] <twm1010> What's killing me is we keep investing in ESX servers, but not the SAN to power them with
[09-Aug-2010 14:42:52] <twm1010> All our ESX boxes have RAID10 arrays
[09-Aug-2010 14:42:57] <twm1010> granted, its mostly development
[09-Aug-2010 14:43:11] <rmatte> ah
[09-Aug-2010 14:44:53] <bigegor> twm1010: in my environment i'm using SNMP. (WMI only for Exchange, IIS and CPU/Memory performance on Windows monitoring)
[09-Aug-2010 14:45:32] <twm1010> bigegor: for ALL windows hosts, or just those needing some WMI stats?
[09-Aug-2010 14:45:58] <bigegor> CPU/Memory on all windows servers
[09-Aug-2010 14:48:01] <bigegor> twm1010: i have started 'WMI Only' modeling/monitoring as 'proof of concepts' project ;)
[09-Aug-2010 14:48:51] <rocket> was there someone in here recently discussing a rest/xmlrpc issue with 2.5.2?
[09-Aug-2010 14:50:31] <nickanderson> is anyone in here successfully using 3.0 with the jmx zenpack? I continually get errors in the zenjmx log about manageIP or device properties not being set.
[09-Aug-2010 14:51:55] <st3v3o> with the zenpack workflow….step 2 is to fill out contribution form…do i need to submit a ticket from the dev link also ?
[09-Aug-2010 14:54:03] <rmatte> rocket: well, for one, zensendevent doesn't work for me in 2.5.2
[09-Aug-2010 14:54:08] <rmatte> rocket: get auth error
[09-Aug-2010 14:54:14] <rmatte> so there's one example
[09-Aug-2010 14:54:48] <rmatte> I've gotta go for a bit
[09-Aug-2010 14:54:49] <rmatte> afk
[09-Aug-2010 14:55:47] <rocket> rmatte: weird zensendevent worked fine for me on my test sandbox
[09-Aug-2010 14:55:53] <rocket> what options are you using?
[09-Aug-2010 15:13:17] <twm1010> rmatte: is CISCO-CVP-MIB in your pack?
[09-Aug-2010 15:20:38] <rmatte> twm1010: every Cisco Mib in existance should be
[09-Aug-2010 15:20:41] <rmatte> let me check
[09-Aug-2010 15:21:03] <rmatte> If it's missing Mibs I'll have to update it
[09-Aug-2010 15:21:33] <rmatte> searching right now...
[09-Aug-2010 15:23:03] <rmatte> twm1010: hmmm, doesn't look like it is
[09-Aug-2010 15:23:09] <rmatte> twm1010: that must be a fairly new Mib
[09-Aug-2010 15:23:23] <rmatte> twm1010: I'll have to schedule some time to update the pack.
[09-Aug-2010 15:40:47] <pils_> yo
[09-Aug-2010 15:42:40] <rmatte> yo
[09-Aug-2010 15:42:46] <pils_> got quick question... a little bit of history first though. zenoss 2.5 install, worked fine for months, then it quit alerting. after some time, we realized it and I restarted the zenoss services. Before long it had attempted sending the backlog of alerts... some 26k events. Is there a way to purge all these emails? luckily the email filter stopped the flow of mail due to it's rate.
[09-Aug-2010 15:44:28] <rmatte> good question, hmmm
[09-Aug-2010 15:45:12] <rmatte> I wonder where it queues those up...
[09-Aug-2010 15:45:41] <twm1010> maybe it comes with a prepackaged sendmail?
[09-Aug-2010 15:45:48] <twm1010> it might let the os do it
[09-Aug-2010 15:45:54] <nickanderson> i dont think so
[09-Aug-2010 15:46:01] <nickanderson> you specify the smtp server
[09-Aug-2010 15:46:09] <nickanderson> so its prolly queueing at the application level
[09-Aug-2010 15:46:59] <nickanderson> well you could point it at a temp mail server and send all mail to /dev/null with no rate limit if no one knows where those msgs are queued up
[09-Aug-2010 15:47:34] <rmatte> yeh, that's one solution
[09-Aug-2010 15:47:42] <nickanderson> its not a good one
[09-Aug-2010 15:47:43] <nickanderson> heh
[09-Aug-2010 15:47:45] <nickanderson> but its one
[09-Aug-2010 15:47:48] <rmatte> yeh, not really
[09-Aug-2010 15:47:59] <rmatte> better solution would be to find where it queues the emails
[09-Aug-2010 15:48:20] <rmatte> pils_: out of curiosity, the alerts aren't still sitting in the active event console are they?
[09-Aug-2010 15:53:13] <mray> kicking off another run of installing every community zenpack to update docs/DOC-5914
[09-Aug-2010 15:53:23] <mray> completely killing my vm :(
[09-Aug-2010 15:53:27] <mray> and laptop
[09-Aug-2010 15:53:48] <rmatte> always fun
[09-Aug-2010 15:54:29] <rmatte> The Cisco Mibs pack doesn't need updating I assume?
[09-Aug-2010 15:54:43] <rmatte> (though I'll have to do some work on it to add some of the newer Mibs whenever I have time)
[09-Aug-2010 15:55:01] <mray> probably not, but really they should all get retested
[09-Aug-2010 15:55:14] <mray> I'm adding a column to the ZenPack page for 3.0 Compatibility
[09-Aug-2010 15:55:21] <pils_> rmatte: nah they are all clear
[09-Aug-2010 15:55:29] <mray> with the options "Works", "Broken" and "Needs Testing"
[09-Aug-2010 15:55:54] <rmatte> nice
[09-Aug-2010 15:55:55] <rmatte> good idea
[09-Aug-2010 15:56:19] <rmatte> mray: pils has 26k+ email alerts queued up in Zenoss somewhere that he wants to clear
[09-Aug-2010 15:56:24] <rmatte> any idea where those queue up?
[09-Aug-2010 15:56:36] <mray> lemme check
[09-Aug-2010 15:56:39] <rmatte> fun new issue that I haven't dealt with before, so I don't even know where to start looking
[09-Aug-2010 15:56:40] <rmatte> thanks
[09-Aug-2010 15:56:43] <Simon4> queued in zenoss? or queued in his MTA?
[09-Aug-2010 15:56:45] <pils_> welll... let me clarify.. i have the services stopped... that's after 26k emails hit the'cuda
[09-Aug-2010 15:56:53] <rmatte> Simon4: queued in Zenoss as far as we can tell
[09-Aug-2010 15:57:03] <rmatte> Simon4: probably similar to event queue
[09-Aug-2010 15:57:04] <pils_> queued in zenoss somewhere
[09-Aug-2010 15:57:18] <Simon4> hmmm
[09-Aug-2010 15:57:28] <pils_> ./var/spool/mail is empty
[09-Aug-2010 15:57:29] <Simon4> zenactions is generally responsible for such sillyness
[09-Aug-2010 15:57:40] <pils_> k
[09-Aug-2010 15:57:55] <pils_> anyway to clear the events that it thinks still need to be emailed?
[09-Aug-2010 15:58:05] <rmatte> Simon4: yeh, but the question is where it's storing the messages
[09-Aug-2010 15:58:18] <mray> wait… 26K were sent or 26K are backed up?
[09-Aug-2010 15:58:20] <Simon4> mray may well know if the mysql db feeds zenactions, or if zenactions just works on a polling mysql type of model
[09-Aug-2010 15:58:26] <rmatte> 26k backed up
[09-Aug-2010 15:58:37] <nickanderson> no
[09-Aug-2010 15:58:38] <rmatte> from what he's saying
[09-Aug-2010 15:58:42] <nickanderson> 26k hit the baracuda
[09-Aug-2010 15:58:43] <nickanderson> already
[09-Aug-2010 15:58:43] <pils_> mray: i stopped the zenoss services after i saw 26k messages hit the 'cuda. there has to be more that it wants to send
[09-Aug-2010 15:58:46] <rmatte> oh
[09-Aug-2010 15:59:31] <rmatte> pils_: have you tried firing Zenoss back up to see if it tries again?
[09-Aug-2010 15:59:44] <rmatte> perhaps it'll be clear on startup?
[09-Aug-2010 15:59:58] <rmatte> no point in chasing butterflies
[09-Aug-2010 16:00:08] <mray> what's in the alert_state table?
[09-Aug-2010 16:00:35] <mray> he should be able to restart and leave zenactions down
[09-Aug-2010 16:00:50] <mray> and then go and disable email alerts in the meantime
[09-Aug-2010 16:01:24] <pils_> is there a way to restart zenoss and leave zenactions off... or i should just jump into the gui and disable the daemon from there?
[09-Aug-2010 16:02:23] <rmatte> pils_: just do zenoss status
[09-Aug-2010 16:02:29] <rmatte> and you'll see a bunch of processes
[09-Aug-2010 16:02:33] <rmatte> start those 1 by 1
[09-Aug-2010 16:02:42] <rmatte> example: zopectl start
[09-Aug-2010 16:02:44] <rmatte> zeoctl start
[09-Aug-2010 16:02:46] <rmatte> zenhub start
[09-Aug-2010 16:02:47] <rmatte> etc...
[09-Aug-2010 16:02:57] <rmatte> of course don't do it for zenactions
[09-Aug-2010 16:03:09] <pils_> got ya
[09-Aug-2010 16:03:23] <Simon4> once you get zeoctl, zopectl and zenhub started you get a UI that works
[09-Aug-2010 16:03:31] <rmatte> yop
[09-Aug-2010 16:07:45] <sciolist> hmmm, I need to specify two separate URLs ("GET" strings) to an https IPService for the same host... how can I differentiate those checks so that it's easy to tell which one is failing?
[09-Aug-2010 16:08:20] <sciolist> do I just need to set up separate IPServices for each URL?
[09-Aug-2010 16:10:41] <Simon4> you won't be able to send a GET to a https URL with an ipservice check
[09-Aug-2010 16:12:21] <sciolist> so the "Send String" variable silently ignores anything other than "GET / HTTP/1.0"?
[09-Aug-2010 16:13:55] <Simon4> no, but I'm not sure how you're going to negotiate a SSL connection before sending said GET
[09-Aug-2010 16:14:24] <Simon4> the SSL server at the other end will ignore a GET Sent in the clear
[09-Aug-2010 16:15:57] <sciolist> right, but it's using check_tcp in the background, which has the ability to use SSL/TLS (the "-s" switch, I believe)
[09-Aug-2010 16:16:42] <sciolist> sorry, the "-S" switch is for SSL/TLS and the "-s" switch is forthe send string
[09-Aug-2010 16:17:09] <Simon4> hmm, as far as I knew ipservice checks used zenstatus daemon for their checks
[09-Aug-2010 16:17:15] <Simon4> vs spawning check_tcp
[09-Aug-2010 16:17:24] * Simon4 could well be wrong though - anyone?
[09-Aug-2010 16:17:29] <sciolist> maybe so...
[09-Aug-2010 16:23:32] <pils_> ok so the box is stood up guys... anything else I should be checking?
[09-Aug-2010 16:24:20] <mray> pils_: I assume someone told you to double-check your email alerting rules?
[09-Aug-2010 16:24:38] <pils_> i removed them for now... guess i'll try adding them back
[09-Aug-2010 16:24:59] <mray> make sure you're not sending debug or info, perhaps just error and critical
[09-Aug-2010 16:25:11] <pils_> it was set for critical
[09-Aug-2010 16:25:20] <mray> hunh… odd
[09-Aug-2010 16:25:42] <rmatte> how did you get 26k+ alerts in the first place?
[09-Aug-2010 16:25:45] <rmatte> just out of curiosity
[09-Aug-2010 16:25:45] <rmatte> lol
[09-Aug-2010 16:25:57] <pils_> well the services must of hung and stopped getting any alerts..
[09-Aug-2010 16:26:11] <pils_> most likely right after we set it up, and haddn't tuned it all
[09-Aug-2010 16:26:12] <rmatte> oh I see, so it's just emails from a long period that were building up
[09-Aug-2010 16:27:36] <Orv> How do I tell Zenoss to ignore something that would otherwise generate an alert?
[09-Aug-2010 16:27:59] <rmatte> Orv: you want it to completely drop that alert?
[09-Aug-2010 16:28:06] <rmatte> Orv: or just not alert on it?
[09-Aug-2010 16:28:12] <Orv> rmatte: Yes, it's bogus
[09-Aug-2010 16:28:24] <rmatte> Orv: depends on a few things...
[09-Aug-2010 16:28:27] <Orv> It's on a VM that's going to be retired soon. I want to monitor everything else though.
[09-Aug-2010 16:28:28] <rmatte> what event class is it coming in for>?
[09-Aug-2010 16:28:45] <Orv> network: NIC exceeding threshold.
[09-Aug-2010 16:29:06] <rmatte> Why don't you just make a local copy of the interface template on that NIC and disable the threshold?
[09-Aug-2010 16:29:11] <rmatte> that's the simplest way in that case
[09-Aug-2010 16:29:38] <gemineye> I accidentally put a 0 for my Max Y on a graph I made and now I can't load or edit the graph. Is there a way to manually modify the file the data is in?
[09-Aug-2010 16:29:40] <Orv> I thought that might be the way.
[09-Aug-2010 16:29:54] <rmatte> gemineye: is it a newly created graph?
[09-Aug-2010 16:30:01] <gemineye> No, made it last week
[09-Aug-2010 16:30:09] <rmatte> so it actually has data in it?
[09-Aug-2010 16:30:13] <gemineye> yes
[09-Aug-2010 16:30:18] <rmatte> and you don't want to lose said data?
[09-Aug-2010 16:30:24] <gemineye> that would be prefered
[09-Aug-2010 16:30:24] <Orv> rmatte: Can you walk me through that, just one time? I've not done it before.
[09-Aug-2010 16:30:42] <rmatte> Orv: you're using the 3.0 interface?
[09-Aug-2010 16:30:47] <Orv> Yes
[09-Aug-2010 16:31:17] <rmatte> gemineye: I don't know off the top of my head... I know there's some rrdtool magic that you could use to do that... you set that in the RRD create options, yes?
[09-Aug-2010 16:31:48] <gemineye> yeah, I changed it to match the rest of my graphs and made a little typo.
[09-Aug-2010 16:31:51] <rmatte> one sec, helping Orv real quick
[09-Aug-2010 16:31:58] <rmatte> Orv, click on that interface
[09-Aug-2010 16:32:08] <Orv> I'm there - I see the "Create Local Copy" button
[09-Aug-2010 16:32:23] <rmatte> right
[09-Aug-2010 16:32:24] <rmatte> so do that
[09-Aug-2010 16:32:35] <rmatte> then after the local copy is created, click on it
[09-Aug-2010 16:32:42] <Orv> Hmmm. A Zenoss error has occurred..
[09-Aug-2010 16:32:47] <rmatte> hmmm
[09-Aug-2010 16:32:55] <rmatte> I honestly haven't done it with the 3.0 interface yet
[09-Aug-2010 16:32:57] <rmatte> might be a bug
[09-Aug-2010 16:33:19] <rmatte> nope
[09-Aug-2010 16:33:25] <rmatte> I was able to create a local copy just fine
[09-Aug-2010 16:33:26] <Orv> Hrm...
[09-Aug-2010 16:33:39] <Orv> I restarted zenoss about a half hour ago, so it's fresh in memory.
[09-Aug-2010 16:33:52] <Orv> Any error log I should look at?
[09-Aug-2010 16:35:08] <rmatte> not sure which would be responsible for that
[09-Aug-2010 16:35:13] <rmatte> probably zeo log
[09-Aug-2010 16:35:27] <rmatte> when it says the error occured, does it provide a stack trace?
[09-Aug-2010 16:35:50] <Orv> In the GUI? No - just an offer to fill out a form and email it.
[09-Aug-2010 16:36:45] <rmatte> there should be a link to show details
[09-Aug-2010 16:37:10] <Orv> Yeah
[09-Aug-2010 16:37:13] <Orv> Type:
[09-Aug-2010 16:37:15] <Orv> Value: The property description does not exist
[09-Aug-2010 16:37:22] <Orv> That's it :-/
[09-Aug-2010 16:39:59] <Orv> rmatte: I have to go to a meeting; I'll chase it some more later. Thanks for the help - seriously ;-)
[09-Aug-2010 16:42:37] <rmatte> k
[09-Aug-2010 16:43:05] <rmatte> gemineye: I'm trying to dig something up for you...
[09-Aug-2010 16:43:32] <gemineye> rmatte: I tried creating a graph with the same name but it keeps saying "ValueError invalid literal for int() with base 10:"
[09-Aug-2010 16:43:55] <rmatte> here's what I was thinking of: http://www.mail-archive.com/zenoss-users@zenoss.org/msg00657.html//www.mail-archive.com/zenoss-users@zenoss.org/msg00657.html
[09-Aug-2010 16:44:13] <rmatte> you'd have to use a line similar to that to tune the values for the RRD
[09-Aug-2010 16:44:44] <rmatte> if you don't want to delete it and have Zenoss recreate it properly
[09-Aug-2010 16:45:15] <rmatte> that line would obviously apply to every RRD file, so adjust it to only grab the one you want
[09-Aug-2010 16:48:10] <gemineye> Tried it, didn't work
[09-Aug-2010 16:49:57] <gemineye> The problem wasn't that I set a value to be 0, I didn't set the value at all.
[09-Aug-2010 16:50:09] <rmatte> oh
[09-Aug-2010 16:50:32] <rmatte> honestly at that point I'd just delete it and have Zenoss recreate it
[09-Aug-2010 16:51:08] <rmatte> the data is probably screwed in it anyways if it wasn't created properly
[09-Aug-2010 16:52:15] <gemineye> I removed the rrd file but it's still giving me the same error. I can't see any graphs for this device or modify the template.
[09-Aug-2010 17:03:43] <gemineye> The problem wasn't with the rrd file. It was with the template. I backed up the rrd files for the template, deleted it, recreated it, and put the rrd files back and everything worked fine.
[09-Aug-2010 18:01:28] <twm1010> booyah!
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[09-Aug-2010 21:22:49] <jcape> Has anyone else experienced a dramatic slowdown in 3.0's web UI?
[09-Aug-2010 21:23:10] <jcape> i.e. loading the infrastructure page takes 15 seconds, loading monitoring templates takes nearly a minute
[09-Aug-2010 21:23:23] <jcape> Most of that spent waiting on an XMLHTTPRequest, it looks like
[09-Aug-2010 22:18:51] <|johnsm|> hi
[09-Aug-2010 22:19:44] <|johnsm|> can not install zenoss 3.0 for freebsd 7.2
[09-Aug-2010 22:20:49] <|johnsm|> configuring: /usr/home/zenoss/zenoss-3.0.0/build/nagios-plugins-1.4.13/Makefile
[09-Aug-2010 22:20:49] <|johnsm|> gmake: *** [/usr/home/zenoss/zenoss-3.0.0/build/nagios-plugins-1.4.13/Makefile] Error 77
[09-Aug-2010 22:22:28] <|johnsm|> åñòü êòî æèâîé?
[09-Aug-2010 22:22:38] <|johnsm|> À? åïûòü... :)
[09-Aug-2010 22:53:13] <|johnsm|> ìäÿ
[09-Aug-2010 22:53:15] <|johnsm|> òèøèíà
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[10-Aug-2010 00:01:39] <_johnsm_> åñòü êòî æèâîé?
[10-Aug-2010 00:08:45] <theacolyte> nothing like not having utf-8
[10-Aug-2010 00:08:49] <theacolyte> always a pleasure to read
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[10-Aug-2010 02:14:48] <_johnsm_> hi
[10-Aug-2010 02:51:17] <_johnsm_> can not install zenoss 3.0 for freebsd 7.2
[10-Aug-2010 02:51:25] <_johnsm_> configuring: /usr/home/zenoss/zenoss-3.0.0/build/nagios-plugins-1.4.13/Makefile
[10-Aug-2010 02:51:31] <_johnsm_> gmake: *** [/usr/home/zenoss/zenoss-3.0.0/build/nagios-plugins-1.4.13/Makefile] Error 77
[10-Aug-2010 02:51:43] <_johnsm_> help my
[10-Aug-2010 04:50:52] <_johnsm_> help my
[10-Aug-2010 04:57:18] <frozty_sa> you didn't give much information to go on
[10-Aug-2010 04:57:43] <frozty_sa> you pretty much pasted "this app gave an error", is there anything more?
[10-Aug-2010 05:06:33] <_johnsm_> frozty_sa:hz
[10-Aug-2010 05:17:11] <fragfutter> you are unable to compile the nagios plugins. known issue for freebsd (at least it was years ago ;)) google will help you.
[10-Aug-2010 05:19:43] <fragfutter> and here is a lot of stuff you need to do for freebsd. docs/DOC-3514
[10-Aug-2010 05:20:17] <fragfutter> notice step 5 and 10
[10-Aug-2010 05:32:50] <_johnsm_> i installed zenoss 3.0
[10-Aug-2010 05:33:03] <_johnsm_> sorry my english
[10-Aug-2010 05:33:12] <_johnsm_> i from Russia
[10-Aug-2010 05:44:44] <_johnsm_> gmake: *** [/home/zenoss/zenoss-3.0.0/build/rrddeps-build] Error 2
[10-Aug-2010 05:44:54] <_johnsm_> ????
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[10-Aug-2010 08:20:36] <st3v3o> In the zenpack backlog there is a zenpack called Exchange 2007 WMI ….is there anyway to get a prerelease copy ?
[10-Aug-2010 08:21:52] <fragfutter> st3v3o: subversion?
[10-Aug-2010 08:22:22] <st3v3o> the backlog stuff is already submitted to svn …ok cool I'll CO it
[10-Aug-2010 08:23:00] <fragfutter> st3v3o: no idea if it is submitted, but that would be where i would check.
[10-Aug-2010 08:23:14] <st3v3o> fragfutter: thanks :)
[10-Aug-2010 08:34:11] <chachan> hi everyone :)
[10-Aug-2010 08:36:27] <nickanderson> hi
[10-Aug-2010 08:38:54] <st3v3o> morning.
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[10-Aug-2010 08:55:33] <jb> my disk space alerts don't clear for 1-2 days for SNMP monitored devices
[10-Aug-2010 08:55:36] <jb> any ideas why that would be?
[10-Aug-2010 08:55:51] <jb> maybe zenmodeler isn't finishing?
[10-Aug-2010 08:58:26] <lemma> hi! is anyone in here successfully using the community.odbc.MsSql2kDatabaseMap zenpack? I'm having trouble to get it working and get a "need more than 3 values to unpack" error.
[10-Aug-2010 09:00:17] <chachan> jb, and is solved that issue?, I mean, is the space problem solved?
[10-Aug-2010 09:00:32] <jb> yes
[10-Aug-2010 09:00:52] <chachan> and the event is still counting?
[10-Aug-2010 09:01:05] <jb> yes, because zen isn't aware of the free space yet
[10-Aug-2010 09:01:11] <jb> which i think comes from zenmodeler
[10-Aug-2010 09:01:20] <chachan> I see
[10-Aug-2010 09:01:35] <chachan> did you model it by hand?
[10-Aug-2010 09:05:23] <jb> yeah.. it worked when I manually ran it.. the size of this FS changed
[10-Aug-2010 09:06:12] <st3v3o> when adding a zenapck to SVN ..it says to copy the setup.py file over from another zenpack..what needs to change in that file…just the few variables at the top ?
[10-Aug-2010 09:06:53] <st3v3o> and what do I put for NAMESPACE_PACKAGES and PACKAGES
[10-Aug-2010 09:17:28] <chachan> jb, did you try just deleting the event?
[10-Aug-2010 09:31:43] <SEJeff> How can I get the zWinPassword from the dmd/
[10-Aug-2010 09:31:46] <SEJeff> ?
[10-Aug-2010 09:32:04] <SEJeff> I tried: dmd.Devices.Server.Windows.getZ("zWinPassword")
[10-Aug-2010 09:33:44] <SEJeff> dmd.Devices.Server.Windows.zWinPassword seems to do it oddly enough
[10-Aug-2010 09:38:25] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[10-Aug-2010 09:48:17] <chachan> SEJeff, did you try dir-ing the dmd objet?
[10-Aug-2010 09:48:32] <chachan> try dir(dmd.Devices.Server.Windows)
[10-Aug-2010 09:48:46] <chachan> and it tell you more information about that object
[10-Aug-2010 09:51:51] <SEJeff> chachan, Yes I did, but the magic zProperties attributes aren't displayed in dir
[10-Aug-2010 09:52:05] <SEJeff> Im familar with python enough to do plenty of django apps
[10-Aug-2010 09:52:17] <SEJeff> some that interact with zenoss via xmlrpc
[10-Aug-2010 09:53:04] <SEJeff> chachan, However it seems like a bug that: dmd.Devices.Server.Windows.zWinPassword works and dmd.Devices.Server.Windows.getZ("zWinPassword") displays a blank string. Especially if you read the pydoc for getZ
[10-Aug-2010 09:54:47] <chachan> so, does dmd.Devices.Server.Windows.zWinPassword work?
[10-Aug-2010 09:55:13] <SEJeff> Yes
[10-Aug-2010 09:55:25] <SEJeff> I think it is a magic gettr or something
[10-Aug-2010 09:56:42] <chachan> I see
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[10-Aug-2010 10:04:07] LarsN_Away is now known as LarsN
[10-Aug-2010 10:05:41] <chachan> is it possible to export public links from graphs reports?
[10-Aug-2010 10:06:29] <chachan> I wish to make an external application that access to public links from graphs images or graph reports
[10-Aug-2010 10:09:18] <SEJeff> chachan, Do you mean you want the external application to have the graphs embedded?
[10-Aug-2010 10:09:35] <chachan> SEJeff, that's right
[10-Aug-2010 10:09:47] <SEJeff> chachan, Just a second, I've got a link for that
[10-Aug-2010 10:10:09] <SEJeff> docs/DOC-5900
[10-Aug-2010 10:10:31] <chachan> thanks
[10-Aug-2010 10:10:31] <SEJeff> Using that, you can have the renderserver generate graphs from any stats that are in the performance rrds
[10-Aug-2010 10:10:36] <SEJeff> np
[10-Aug-2010 10:11:04] <LarsN> What would be the best way, for an entire class of devices, to eliminate specific mountpoints from monitoring?
[10-Aug-2010 10:11:31] <SEJeff> LarsN, A transform on the eventclass and perhaps a zproperty on that device class
[10-Aug-2010 10:11:38] <LarsN> we have a type of server that generates a lot of /proc and /sys filesystems, which for obvious reasons always show 100% utilized
[10-Aug-2010 10:11:56] <SEJeff> openvz?
[10-Aug-2010 10:12:03] <LarsN> FreeBSD + jails
[10-Aug-2010 10:12:10] <SEJeff> I was close :)
[10-Aug-2010 10:12:13] <LarsN> similar to openvz :)
[10-Aug-2010 10:13:54] <LarsN> SEJeff: where can I find the documentation on how to transform event classes?
[10-Aug-2010 10:14:12] <LarsN> is that in the admin or extended monitoring guide?
[10-Aug-2010 10:14:16] <SEJeff> No clue
[10-Aug-2010 10:14:20] <SEJeff> let me look at my existing one
[10-Aug-2010 10:14:56] <LarsN> Thanks, I appreciate the assistance.
[10-Aug-2010 10:15:05] <SEJeff> LarsN, Go to: http://YOURZENOSSSERVER:8080/zport/dmd/Events/Perf/Filesystem/editEventClassTransform
[10-Aug-2010 10:15:18] <SEJeff> As I'm assuming /proc fs full events are /Perf/Filesystem events
[10-Aug-2010 10:15:39] <LarsN> they are
[10-Aug-2010 10:16:54] <SEJeff> Thats where you would put the transform to set evt._action = "drop" if a certain zproperty exists
[10-Aug-2010 10:18:03] <SEJeff> if re.search('^/mnt/loop*', evt.component):
[10-Aug-2010 10:18:03] <SEJeff> evt._action="drop"
[10-Aug-2010 10:18:18] <frozty_sa> err, you could just add them to the right zProperties
[10-Aug-2010 10:18:51] <frozty_sa> also, '^/mnt/loop.*"
[10-Aug-2010 10:19:34] <frozty_sa> the zProperty in question is zFileSystemMapIgnoreNames
[10-Aug-2010 10:19:48] <frozty_sa> and zFileSystemMapIgnoreTypes
[10-Aug-2010 10:20:19] <SEJeff> LarsN, ^^
[10-Aug-2010 10:20:50] <LarsN> this is a Zenoss 3.0 question for both of you. where did zProperties at the class level get burried?
[10-Aug-2010 10:21:21] <LarsN> frozty_sa: that's what I would have done on Zenoss 2.x and couldn't find the tab, link, or dialog box to let me edit it for the whole class.
[10-Aug-2010 10:21:36] <SEJeff> Never used ZenOSS 3. They haven't released 3.0 enterprise yet
[10-Aug-2010 10:21:39] <LarsN> SEJeff: your suggestion might fix some additional problems we're likely to face so I'm glad you helped there too.
[10-Aug-2010 10:22:23] <LarsN> we had added a transform to our previous 2.x install to actually monitor certain, but not all, nfs mounts :)
[10-Aug-2010 10:22:26] <SEJeff> Sweet. Try to do the same thing next time someone asks
[10-Aug-2010 10:22:42] <LarsN> SEJeff: I do my best to assist when I can :)
[10-Aug-2010 10:22:48] <frozty_sa> LarsN: oh, I can't answer that, sorry :/
[10-Aug-2010 10:23:00] <LarsN> I'm personally pretty new to Zenoss from an adminitrative side.
[10-Aug-2010 10:23:11] <frozty_sa> I've plainly been avoiding 3.0, even though I can upgrade to it
[10-Aug-2010 10:23:29] <SEJeff> frozty_sa, Why? There are a zillion bugs it fixes
[10-Aug-2010 10:24:20] <frozty_sa> and some more that it adds ;)
[10-Aug-2010 10:24:37] <frozty_sa> I haven't needed to upgrade, so I've avoided making unnecessary work for myself
[10-Aug-2010 10:26:54] <rmatte> good morning all
[10-Aug-2010 10:27:01] <rmatte> and afternoon/evening
[10-Aug-2010 10:28:31] <LarsN> SEJeff, frozty_sa: I'm very happy to see Zenoss on Zope 2.12 & Python 2.6
[10-Aug-2010 10:28:40] <SEJeff> YES
[10-Aug-2010 10:28:46] <LarsN> that's the primary reason we deployed on 3.0, even though there's a TON of new bugs introduced.
[10-Aug-2010 10:28:53] <LarsN> (most of which should be fixed by 3.0.2 :)
[10-Aug-2010 10:29:10] <LarsN> the new UI I think will be better, once I find everything.
[10-Aug-2010 10:29:42] <LarsN> rmatte: howdy. Don't suppose you know where the toggle/link/button to edit zproperties at a class level is hidden in Zenoss 3.x
[10-Aug-2010 10:29:46] <LarsN> ?
[10-Aug-2010 10:31:40] <LarsN> I found it!
[10-Aug-2010 10:31:44] * LarsN does a happy dance
[10-Aug-2010 10:45:22] <bigegor> LarsN: Infrastructure->Devices->Details->Configuration Properties
[10-Aug-2010 10:45:33] <LarsN> bigegor: yeah, I ofund it :)
[10-Aug-2010 10:45:36] <LarsN> found.
[10-Aug-2010 10:58:07] <rmatte> sorry, heads up that I won't be of much help in here today, have a backlog of commissions that I'm trying to work on for accounts that we have clueless engineers assigned to
[10-Aug-2010 10:58:24] <rmatte> I asked SNMP to be configured on a bunch of devices 2 weeks ago, and wouldn't you know it, it hasn't been done yet
[10-Aug-2010 10:58:28] * rmatte pulls out hair
[10-Aug-2010 10:58:38] <LarsN> rmatte: I've been there :(
[10-Aug-2010 11:01:23] <LarsN> Event Class: /Status/IpService is reporting service http is down. Can I tell zenoss not to check for an http server via Configuration Properties as well? If so would it be under zInterfaceMapIgnore{names,types}? or is this something configured elsewhere?
[10-Aug-2010 11:10:23] <rmatte> LarsN: no, you would go in to Infra -> IP Services
[10-Aug-2010 11:10:28] <rmatte> find http, and disable it
[10-Aug-2010 11:10:42] <rmatte> it won't be picked up automatically when modelling devices after you do that
[10-Aug-2010 11:10:57] <LarsN> rmatte: roger, thanks
[10-Aug-2010 11:28:45] * Simon4 finally gets around to testing a 3.0 upgrade on "live" data (on a test box)
[10-Aug-2010 11:28:50] <Simon4> lets see how long zencatalog takes to run :)
[10-Aug-2010 11:29:52] <rmatte> hehe
[10-Aug-2010 11:31:13] <mray> Simon4: by the time it finishes 3.0.1 may be out :)
[10-Aug-2010 11:32:34] <arrrghhh> hey, can i make a custom report that basically dumps the description of all ATM0 interfaces?
[10-Aug-2010 11:33:29] <SEJeff> arrrghhh, That would be very easy to do from the dmd as a script as well
[10-Aug-2010 11:33:52] <arrrghhh> SEJeff, please elaborate :D
[10-Aug-2010 11:41:08] <SEJeff> arrrghhh, Have you ever used the dmd?
[10-Aug-2010 11:41:47] <arrrghhh> SEJeff, very little. rmatte showed me a command to clear stuff out.
[10-Aug-2010 11:41:53] <arrrghhh> that's about it.
[10-Aug-2010 11:43:01] <SEJeff> Let me find the magic method names, then I'll give you something to paste into the dmd
[10-Aug-2010 11:44:30] <arrrghhh> cool thx
[10-Aug-2010 11:45:04] <mducharme-laptop> morning
[10-Aug-2010 11:45:51] <SEJeff> arrrghhh, Ok login as the zenoss user and run: zendmd
[10-Aug-2010 11:46:00] <arrrghhh> k
[10-Aug-2010 11:47:30] <arrrghhh> i'm in
[10-Aug-2010 11:47:42] <SEJeff> arrrghhh, http://zenoss.pastebin.com/AyTdq8bj
[10-Aug-2010 11:47:53] <SEJeff> Where it says: device = find("if01u.fi03.int")
[10-Aug-2010 11:48:05] <SEJeff> Change if01u.fi03.int to the name of one of the devices you want to report on
[10-Aug-2010 11:48:20] <arrrghhh> k
[10-Aug-2010 11:48:42] <SEJeff> You might need to change the if name.startswith line as well
[10-Aug-2010 11:48:59] <SEJeff> Do you want the description of all ATM0 devices on every device in a deviceclass?
[10-Aug-2010 11:49:17] <arrrghhh> basically yes
[10-Aug-2010 11:49:30] <SEJeff> arrrghhh, Can you give me the device class those devices are all under?
[10-Aug-2010 11:49:30] <arrrghhh> all dsl routers with atm0 interfaces
[10-Aug-2010 11:49:33] <SEJeff> This is easy
[10-Aug-2010 11:49:34] <SEJeff> actually
[10-Aug-2010 11:50:04] <arrrghhh> network/router/cisco
[10-Aug-2010 11:55:38] <SEJeff> arrrghhh, http://zenoss.pastebin.com/TTq5QZew Try this
[10-Aug-2010 11:56:11] <SEJeff> As the zenoss user on the zenoss server, paste that into a script and run it. You can do: wget -O reporter.py 'http://zenoss.pastebin.com/raw.php?i=TTq5QZew'
[10-Aug-2010 11:56:21] <SEJeff> That will download it for you then run: python reporter.py
[10-Aug-2010 11:58:35] <rmatte> SEJeff: other than using a variable for name when you don't have to, nice
[10-Aug-2010 11:58:53] <SEJeff> rmatte, Well it was expected he would expand that further I hope
[10-Aug-2010 11:59:27] <rmatte> http://pastebin.com/7qzGFmQg
[10-Aug-2010 11:59:28] <SEJeff> rmatte, And you're right, but I try not to hardcode things where possible
[10-Aug-2010 12:00:12] <mducharme-laptop> hey rmatte
[10-Aug-2010 12:00:14] <SEJeff> rmatte, But yours does useless work on each device after it has found the ATM0 interface
[10-Aug-2010 12:00:16] <mducharme-laptop> just got back from vacation today
[10-Aug-2010 12:00:22] <SEJeff> Add a break at the bottom of the if :)
[10-Aug-2010 12:00:27] <rmatte> SEJeff: true, I didn't add the break
[10-Aug-2010 12:00:31] <rmatte> other than that though
[10-Aug-2010 12:00:47] <mducharme-laptop> I'm upgrading my OTRS box to 3 beta 1
[10-Aug-2010 12:00:59] <mducharme-laptop> so that I can develop this directly to the new version of OTRS
[10-Aug-2010 12:01:06] <rmatte> cool
[10-Aug-2010 12:01:43] <SEJeff> rmatte, Other than that, not too shabby
[10-Aug-2010 12:02:17] <rmatte> it's basically the same thing without limit it to a single class
[10-Aug-2010 12:02:25] <rmatte> limiting*
[10-Aug-2010 12:02:27] * rmatte shrugs
[10-Aug-2010 12:02:46] <SEJeff> rmatte, But if you have thousands of devices in your zenoss install... you don't want that
[10-Aug-2010 12:02:53] <SEJeff> zodb is slow
[10-Aug-2010 12:03:01] <SEJeff> Even on perky hardware
[10-Aug-2010 12:03:10] <rmatte> well, you're just dumping a report
[10-Aug-2010 12:03:19] <rmatte> if it takes a few minutes, so be it
[10-Aug-2010 12:03:35] <rmatte> any report in the reports section is more intensive than that
[10-Aug-2010 12:03:58] <SEJeff> rmatte, Thats not excuse for not making it fast if you can. After all, a slow zodb will slow down the interface as well
[10-Aug-2010 12:04:05] <arrrghhh> rmatte, can't get yours to work.... tryin the python script SEJeff whipped up...
[10-Aug-2010 12:04:09] <SEJeff> Neither way is wrong however
[10-Aug-2010 12:04:30] <rmatte> arrrghhh: how can you not get mine to work? remove the dots in front of everything, hold on...
[10-Aug-2010 12:04:53] <arrrghhh> i was typing it in manually
[10-Aug-2010 12:05:05] <SEJeff> arrrghhh, paste it in
[10-Aug-2010 12:05:05] <arrrghhh> complained about indenting. tab didn't hb
[10-Aug-2010 12:05:17] <arrrghhh> pasting was even worse...
[10-Aug-2010 12:05:28] <rmatte> here: http://pastebin.com/tuaywwse
[10-Aug-2010 12:05:36] <rmatte> don't use tab
[10-Aug-2010 12:05:38] <rmatte> use space
[10-Aug-2010 12:05:50] <arrrghhh> oh.... d'oh
[10-Aug-2010 12:06:01] <rmatte> hehe
[10-Aug-2010 12:06:08] <rmatte> it's python, using tabs is not a good idea
[10-Aug-2010 12:06:15] <rmatte> the proper way is to use 4 spaces per indent
[10-Aug-2010 12:06:20] <rmatte> but you can get away with single spaces
[10-Aug-2010 12:06:32] <arrrghhh> ah
[10-Aug-2010 12:06:40] <arrrghhh> i need to learn python.
[10-Aug-2010 12:06:48] <rmatte> it's really not that hard
[10-Aug-2010 12:07:00] <rmatte> it's very powerful but it's simple to learn
[10-Aug-2010 12:07:23] <SEJeff> arrrghhh, And will help you integrate zenoss a lot more into your infrastructure
[10-Aug-2010 12:07:54] <arrrghhh> ja
[10-Aug-2010 12:09:39] <arrrghhh> ah that worked
[10-Aug-2010 12:09:57] <arrrghhh> rmatte, thanks. SEJeff, thank you as well.
[10-Aug-2010 12:10:25] <rmatte> no problem
[10-Aug-2010 12:10:27] <arrrghhh> i need to do some reading on reports tho. i'm sure my boss would like that haha
[10-Aug-2010 12:14:57] <rmatte> I had to code so many custom reports
[10-Aug-2010 12:14:58] <rmatte> lol
[10-Aug-2010 12:15:10] <rmatte> they get executed outside of the UI though
[10-Aug-2010 12:15:20] <SEJeff> rmatte, Really? Can you cheat and use python for them? I've never done one
[10-Aug-2010 12:15:35] <SEJeff> Opting instead to just pull data into an external app (django) and report that way
[10-Aug-2010 12:15:35] <rmatte> They are done in python
[10-Aug-2010 12:15:44] <rmatte> each report consists of a Tales file for formatting
[10-Aug-2010 12:15:51] <rmatte> and a python plugin file for grabbing the actual data
[10-Aug-2010 12:16:44] <SEJeff> rmatte, Ah ok. Sounds a bit geeky (not doable for mere mortals) but straightforeward enough
[10-Aug-2010 12:25:29] <rmatte> hehe
[10-Aug-2010 12:25:59] <rmatte> If you want examples of what I've done: docs/DOC-4664
[10-Aug-2010 12:26:25] <rmatte> The availability report was the biggest pain since I couldn't really find the code for it, it's buried in Zope somewhere
[10-Aug-2010 12:26:29] <rmatte> so I recreated it from scratch
[10-Aug-2010 12:26:45] <rmatte> The others were based on the reports plugins
[10-Aug-2010 12:27:03] <rmatte> I have even newer versions than those, but they are very specific to our setup
[10-Aug-2010 12:27:10] <rmatte> they display things like current threshold settings
[10-Aug-2010 12:27:41] <rmatte> Actually, I should release the filesystem report that displays thresholds since that would work for anyone
[10-Aug-2010 12:29:38] <rmatte> odd, 2 interfaces using the 64bit ethernet template are reporting an average as a negative number
[10-Aug-2010 12:32:39] <rmatte> I also notice that the 64bit ethernet template doesn't have an RRD Min of 0
[10-Aug-2010 12:32:47] <rmatte> whereas the standard ethernet template does
[10-Aug-2010 12:32:55] <rmatte> is that done on purpose or is that an oversight?
[10-Aug-2010 12:33:08] <QubeZ> hello all
[10-Aug-2010 12:33:33] <QubeZ> in the zenoss email alerts, how can I get the description (if there is one) for a device within the email? I dont see the field for it
[10-Aug-2010 12:34:07] <QubeZ> essentially, i ahve circuits (T1's) with description set to their circuit ID and I'd like to see that in the emails
[10-Aug-2010 12:34:32] <rmatte> QubeZ: for what types of alerts?
[10-Aug-2010 12:35:21] <rmatte> QubeZ: in the email layout you can only access event properties, you can't directly access device properties... you'll have to use a transform to set one of the event properties to the description, such as including it in the summary, the message, or the component
[10-Aug-2010 12:35:37] <QubeZ> rmatte: critical, i already have the alert rules setup... just need to know what to add into the message box. I see 'component: %component%' etc.. but not sure what to put for description
[10-Aug-2010 12:35:51] <QubeZ> rmatte: gotcha
[10-Aug-2010 12:36:23] <QubeZ> and not sure if its a bug but all my switches show components ipintefaces(some number), but my router's do not
[10-Aug-2010 12:36:51] <QubeZ> running 3.0
[10-Aug-2010 12:38:02] <QubeZ> i'll figure out that transform thing first, thanks rmatte
[10-Aug-2010 13:09:31] rhettardo_ is now known as rhettardo
[10-Aug-2010 13:43:01] <LarsN> Sorry to bring this up again, but I'm having difficulty getting it to play nice on my server.
[10-Aug-2010 13:44:13] <LarsN> I have installed the httpmonitor zenpack. I have a server, we'll call web01, setup as a device under /device/server/linux it has 8 websites that I would like to monitor. I overrode the http template with an https template, and bound it to: device/https
[10-Aug-2010 13:44:58] <LarsN> in that template, I checked the use SSL, and changed the port number to 443. I removed the /devices binding from the device class (which may have been a mistake)
[10-Aug-2010 13:45:52] <LarsN> I am no getting several /Status/HTTP Name or service not known events. one for each site I've added by FQDN to /device/HTTPD
[10-Aug-2010 13:45:57] <LarsN> s/HTTPD/HTTPS
[10-Aug-2010 13:46:10] <LarsN> any suggestions on what I may have overlooked?
[10-Aug-2010 13:57:16] <twm1010> Well hold on a second
[10-Aug-2010 13:57:24] <twm1010> You've got these servers in which device class?
[10-Aug-2010 13:57:54] <LarsN> the "server" is in /device/server/linux the sites I want to monitor, which have the above error are in /device/HTTPS
[10-Aug-2010 14:02:49] <Simon4_> hrm. our mysql instance is recording insane numbers of aborted connections
[10-Aug-2010 14:03:09] <Simon4_> where insane = 34,000 in about 2 hours
[10-Aug-2010 14:11:24] Simon4_ is now known as Simon4
[10-Aug-2010 14:18:55] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[10-Aug-2010 14:23:21] <mducharme-laptop> holy crap, OTRS has really changed a lot in 3.0
[10-Aug-2010 14:25:09] <mray> FYI, 3.0.1 is up on SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zenoss/files/
[10-Aug-2010 14:25:19] <mray> slowly updating links and other stuff
[10-Aug-2010 14:26:13] <LarsN> mray: what's the appropriate method of upgrading / patching from 3.0 to 3.0.1?
[10-Aug-2010 14:26:32] <Simon4> mray: is the pre-upgrade zenpack the same?
[10-Aug-2010 14:26:40] <Simon4> (since I'm mid-running it ;) )
[10-Aug-2010 14:26:58] <cgibbons> is enterprise out too, mray?
[10-Aug-2010 14:27:29] <mray> cgibbons: it's out somewhere probably :)
[10-Aug-2010 14:27:34] <rmatte> lol
[10-Aug-2010 14:27:48] <cgibbons> and i get stuck on the L3 rotation next week :/
[10-Aug-2010 14:27:57] <cgibbons> might be a good time to use up that sick time i never use
[10-Aug-2010 14:28:37] <SEJeff> Simon4, Something is probably broken. Brought to you by Captain Obvious!
[10-Aug-2010 14:28:56] <twm1010> so, for defining a process... let's take apache as an example, what regex would I use
[10-Aug-2010 14:29:00] <Simon4> SEJeff: Thanks!
[10-Aug-2010 14:29:01] <cgibbons> i'm sure ian would rather do it than me :)
[10-Aug-2010 14:29:02] <Simon4> :)
[10-Aug-2010 14:29:04] <twm1010> ^httpd, just httpd, ?
[10-Aug-2010 14:29:13] <twm1010> *httpd* ?
[10-Aug-2010 14:29:23] <SEJeff> twm1010, That should be defined in the zenoss default install
[10-Aug-2010 14:30:29] <SEJeff> twm1010, An existing OSProcess regex on this install for apache is: ^[^ ]*httpd[^ /]*( |$)
[10-Aug-2010 14:30:46] <twm1010> odd, are you on enterprise?
[10-Aug-2010 14:30:54] <SEJeff> Yes
[10-Aug-2010 14:31:04] <SEJeff> But I filed a bug to get that regex fixed
[10-Aug-2010 14:31:21] <SEJeff> It was showing "Process not running tail" because people were tailing the apache logs during the initial model
[10-Aug-2010 14:35:40] <twm1010> ah, so that REGEX above is corrected for that?
[10-Aug-2010 14:40:06] <chachan> SEJeff, I was reading the page that you sent me this morning (using the zenoss render server API), I have a question, if I wish to avoid the auth process?, how could I do it?
[10-Aug-2010 14:40:26] <mducharme-laptop> rmatte was that last zenpack you sent me the latest with all your changes?
[10-Aug-2010 14:41:12] <SEJeff> chachan, I didn't write that page, npmccallum did. However, you need to auth to use zenoss. That is part of the design.
[10-Aug-2010 14:41:21] <chachan> In fact, I already have the image URL, so, All I need is to access avoiding the auth
[10-Aug-2010 14:41:33] <chachan> mm, ok
[10-Aug-2010 14:42:04] <npmccallum> chachan: doing that without auth is dangerous
[10-Aug-2010 14:42:27] <chachan> SEJeff, well, but is there a way to do the auth "undeground"?
[10-Aug-2010 14:42:56] <chachan> npmccallum, yes, it's for intranet use
[10-Aug-2010 14:43:29] <chachan> so, An application makes the auth, and avoid that users need to login
[10-Aug-2010 14:44:45] <chachan> when I mean "avoid auth", I mean, avoid that users auth against zenoss, instead of, an web application will do it. is that clear?
[10-Aug-2010 14:45:11] <mray> cgibbons: Enterprise is a controlled release until 3.0.2
[10-Aug-2010 14:45:23] <chachan> a web*
[10-Aug-2010 14:45:26] <npmccallum> chachan: so web user goes to site A, site A talks to zenoss using auth to get graphs and displays them back to the user?
[10-Aug-2010 14:45:28] <cgibbons> ahh wasn't sure if that was changing or not, cool
[10-Aug-2010 14:45:42] <Simon4> mray: eeenteresting
[10-Aug-2010 14:45:49] <LarsN> under infrastructure, I understand the concept of groups. What are "systems" for?
[10-Aug-2010 14:45:51] <chachan> npmccallum, that's right
[10-Aug-2010 14:46:11] <npmccallum> sure, have site A do HTTP Basic Authentication to zenoss
[10-Aug-2010 14:46:19] <LarsN> Is that just another Organization category
[10-Aug-2010 14:46:22] <mray> Simon4: just means they're still nervous about big installs migrating over
[10-Aug-2010 14:46:38] <Simon4> heh
[10-Aug-2010 14:46:56] <LarsN> IE, I have Web01 (a server under /device/server/linux) I have 16 websites monitored under /device/HTTPS/
[10-Aug-2010 14:47:04] <chachan> npmccallum, mmm, I thought it will be hardest
[10-Aug-2010 14:47:04] <Simon4> mray: understandable
[10-Aug-2010 14:47:17] <LarsN> and those 16 sites technically live on web01, so I create a system with that name, and drop all the sites in there?
[10-Aug-2010 14:47:18] <chachan> harder*
[10-Aug-2010 14:47:22] <chachan> npmccallum, thx
[10-Aug-2010 14:47:28] <npmccallum> np
[10-Aug-2010 14:50:12] <twm1010> SEJeff: I suppose that if someone has Apache configured to spawn multiple processes, and not worker threads instead, then I'm going to get a TON of "process restarted" events
[10-Aug-2010 14:51:59] <Simon4> in Zenoss... is zenhub the only service that talks direct to the mysql database?
[10-Aug-2010 14:54:15] <LarsN> dumb question of the day, is ${dev/id} the "Device Name" as shown when clicking on the device itself?
[10-Aug-2010 14:54:55] <cgibbons> almost lars
[10-Aug-2010 14:54:58] <cgibbons> it's reall dev/name
[10-Aug-2010 14:55:06] <cgibbons> name is a function taht grabs either the id, or the title if it is defined
[10-Aug-2010 14:55:58] <LarsN> I created a class, HTTPS, and then overrode the httpmonitor template into that class.
[10-Aug-2010 14:56:23] <LarsN> I set the use SSL flag, and set the port to 443 on the new template as well.
[10-Aug-2010 14:57:18] <LarsN> If I then add "devices" that are specifically websites I want to monitor by FQDN, (ie www.domain.com) to that HTTPS class, It should "just work" shouldn't it?
[10-Aug-2010 15:00:20] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[10-Aug-2010 15:02:06] <mducharme-laptop> when you disable monitoring of an interface, what does that do?
[10-Aug-2010 15:02:20] <mducharme-laptop> does it no longer graph as well, or does it still graph the interface, just no longer lets you know if it's up or down
[10-Aug-2010 15:02:22] <mducharme-laptop> ?
[10-Aug-2010 15:04:00] <mducharme-laptop> I have a bit of a quandary where we are an ISP and I do not care if a home user is down or not because they might have their power bar turned off..
[10-Aug-2010 15:04:10] <mducharme-laptop> need to find a way to not get notifications about certain interfaces
[10-Aug-2010 15:04:23] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: no longer graphs
[10-Aug-2010 15:04:38] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: Zenoss doesn't do up/down monitoring by default
[10-Aug-2010 15:04:44] <rmatte> are you doing it via Chet's guide, or traps?
[10-Aug-2010 15:05:02] <rmatte> Chet's guide: docs/DOC-2494
[10-Aug-2010 15:05:13] <mducharme-laptop> chet's guide
[10-Aug-2010 15:05:29] <rmatte> k, what you could do is make a local copy of the interface template of whatever interface
[10-Aug-2010 15:05:36] <rmatte> and then disable the operational status threshold
[10-Aug-2010 15:05:43] <mducharme-laptop> we just keep getting this emails "edna cook is up", "edna cook is down", "W. smith is up", "w smith is down" etc
[10-Aug-2010 15:05:48] <rmatte> that would allow it to continue graphing but would no longer alert
[10-Aug-2010 15:06:16] <mducharme-laptop> ahh gotcha, ok
[10-Aug-2010 15:08:30] <mducharme-laptop> ok, that takes care of what I need
[10-Aug-2010 15:10:34] <rmatte> cool
[10-Aug-2010 15:11:16] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[10-Aug-2010 15:11:21] <chachan> npmccallum, is there an example about that auth?, when I read the HTTP headers I don't see any auth request
[10-Aug-2010 15:12:31] <chachan> npmccallum, that's what I do: http://fpaste.org/PXWY/
[10-Aug-2010 15:12:45] <npmccallum> chachan: you won't see it in the headers, but if you provide the Authorization header in your request, zenoss will respect it
[10-Aug-2010 15:13:00] <chachan> npmccallum, uhm
[10-Aug-2010 15:13:08] <chachan> ok
[10-Aug-2010 15:17:03] <LarsN> Has anyone else running Zenoss 3.0.0 noticed the following. I can set a device to "priority Trivial" but when I go to alerting rules, add filter "priority" my options in the drop down are "debug info notice warning...." rather than the priority levels listed under the devices.
[10-Aug-2010 15:17:32] <LarsN> it's as if the priority dropdown in the alerting rules is loading the severity values.
[10-Aug-2010 15:21:08] <rmatte> LarsN: it's possible that that's a bug
[10-Aug-2010 15:29:52] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: any changes that may have been done that particular day can always be repeated
[10-Aug-2010 15:29:54] <rmatte> oops
[10-Aug-2010 15:30:05] <rmatte> meant for privmsg
[10-Aug-2010 15:36:33] <chachan> npmccallum, I tried this: http://fpaste.org/Uz22/ but I got the login form :(
[10-Aug-2010 15:36:52] <chachan> what am I doing wrong?
[10-Aug-2010 15:37:51] <rmatte> chachan: when you do figure it out I'd appreciate a copy of the code :)
[10-Aug-2010 15:38:30] <chachan> rmatte, sure ;)
[10-Aug-2010 15:38:35] <rmatte> yay
[10-Aug-2010 15:38:42] * Simon4 waves also :)
[10-Aug-2010 15:39:35] <npmccallum> chachan: can you print out the http headers in that call?
[10-Aug-2010 15:39:41] <chachan> sure
[10-Aug-2010 15:40:19] <|rt|> when did 3.0.1 get released? I haven't seen any announcement but apt is wanting to upgrade my install to it
[10-Aug-2010 15:40:27] <rmatte> chachan: ummm, I'm having a thought...
[10-Aug-2010 15:40:48] <rmatte> shouldn't that be: opener = urllib2.build_opener(auth_handler.add_password(None, 'http://someserver.com:8080/zport/RenderServer/render', 'user', 'somepass'))
[10-Aug-2010 15:40:49] <rmatte> ?
[10-Aug-2010 15:41:21] <rmatte> actually nevermind
[10-Aug-2010 15:41:35] <chachan> http://fpaste.org/SBPU/
[10-Aug-2010 15:41:36] <rmatte> I assume the add_password function is part of urllib2.HTTPBasicAuthHandler() so it shouldn't matter
[10-Aug-2010 15:43:16] <chachan> yes, in else case I should get "not defined" message
[10-Aug-2010 15:43:23] <LarsN> is there commandline fu, that can add entries to systems?
[10-Aug-2010 15:43:24] <LarsN> ie
[10-Aug-2010 15:43:31] <LarsN> systems/servername/<newentry>
[10-Aug-2010 15:43:47] <LarsN> I'd love for my Jails creation script to be able to touch zenoss. :)
[10-Aug-2010 15:47:14] <npmccallum> chachan: this works for me (using urlgrabber): urlgrabber.urlopen("http://admin:zenoss@myserver.com:8080/zport/dmd/zenoss@myserver.com:8080/zport/dmd/...").read()
[10-Aug-2010 15:47:21] <npmccallum> rmatte: ^
[10-Aug-2010 15:49:44] <cgibbons> rt i think it was earlier today
[10-Aug-2010 15:50:08] <|rt|> cgibbons: well the update was smooth :)
[10-Aug-2010 15:50:15] <cgibbons> not a whole lot changed
[10-Aug-2010 15:50:27] <|rt|> cgibbons: I guess I'll wait for the announcement to see what was fixed
[10-Aug-2010 15:50:44] <|rt|> cgibbons: yeah I figured it was just a bunch of small bug fixes
[10-Aug-2010 15:51:03] <chachan> npmccallum, it doesn't work for me. and you rmatte?
[10-Aug-2010 15:51:21] <npmccallum> chachan: this is on 3.0, FYI
[10-Aug-2010 15:51:58] <chachan> npmccallum, same that mine
[10-Aug-2010 15:56:59] <rmatte> npmccallum: specifying the username and password in the URL never works for me
[10-Aug-2010 15:57:13] <rmatte> npmccallum: I just get the login page
[10-Aug-2010 15:59:24] <rmatte> npmccallum: it's the reason why I can't get zensendevent to work
[10-Aug-2010 16:06:48] <chachan> ok, I already how to resolve my problem (avoid auth). I'll create the graphs (local way) and put them in a public directory, so I could get it via http without any problem
[10-Aug-2010 16:07:10] <chachan> it's not the best way but I need to do it quickly
[10-Aug-2010 16:13:51] <chachan> mmm, nooo, OMG, am I having a nightmare?, it's not possible, I need auth too
[10-Aug-2010 16:14:16] <chachan> what was I thinking? :'(
[10-Aug-2010 16:14:31] <rmatte> yeh, you need auth no matter how you look at it really
[10-Aug-2010 16:14:42] <rmatte> unless you can somehow pull the graph via zendmd
[10-Aug-2010 16:14:51] <rmatte> which I've never even attempted
[10-Aug-2010 16:15:00] <Simon4> chachan: you could use something like mechanize to log in, grab the cookie, then fetch the graphs you want
[10-Aug-2010 16:15:13] <Simon4> that's perl, but python must have something similar
[10-Aug-2010 16:15:35] <mray> chachan: or point apache to the perf directory and serve up the images
[10-Aug-2010 16:16:22] <Simon4> http://wwwsearch.sourceforge.net/mechanize/
[10-Aug-2010 16:16:23] <Simon4> :)
[10-Aug-2010 16:16:26] <chachan> mray, are the images updating by itself?
[10-Aug-2010 16:16:30] <Simon4> python version goodness
[10-Aug-2010 16:16:37] <mray> chachan: doh, no
[10-Aug-2010 16:16:49] <chachan> lol
[10-Aug-2010 16:17:14] <mray> had a flashback to somebody else pulling the RRD files with rsync and creating graphs on another box
[10-Aug-2010 16:17:27] <chachan> Simon4, it looks great
[10-Aug-2010 16:17:35] <Simon4> chachan: yeah, it should work fine for waht you want to do
[10-Aug-2010 16:17:46] <chachan> mray, I see, that was a nice try
[10-Aug-2010 16:19:18] <chachan> Simon4, it's on repo too (kubuntu)
[10-Aug-2010 16:19:33] <chachan> and yes, I use ubuntu, and yes, with KDE
[10-Aug-2010 16:19:38] <chachan> hehe
[10-Aug-2010 16:21:21] <Simon4> cool :)
[10-Aug-2010 16:26:11] * Simon4 heads to bed, night all :)
[10-Aug-2010 16:26:20] <rocket> rmatte: I wasnt able to reproduce your issue
[10-Aug-2010 16:26:21] <rmatte> nite
[10-Aug-2010 16:26:26] <rocket> rmatte: but we can talk later
[10-Aug-2010 16:26:31] <rmatte> rocket: which one?
[10-Aug-2010 16:26:36] <rocket> the auth issue ..
[10-Aug-2010 16:26:39] <rmatte> ah
[10-Aug-2010 16:26:46] <rocket> I just had a case come in .. and auth works for me
[10-Aug-2010 16:27:00] <rmatte> is it possible that it has to do with special characters in the password?
[10-Aug-2010 16:27:14] <rocket> there is an exception you can pass etc .. or choose 8081 instead of 8080
[10-Aug-2010 16:27:20] <rocket> depending on what you are trying to do
[10-Aug-2010 16:27:22] <rmatte> both password I've tried have had special characters in them
[10-Aug-2010 16:27:31] <rmatte> one has @ in the middle, the other ends in !
[10-Aug-2010 16:27:38] <rocket> maybe thats the case .. you may need to escape the char
[10-Aug-2010 16:27:47] <rmatte> yeh, that may be it
[10-Aug-2010 16:27:58] <rocket> I dont believe the passwords I tried were that complex
[10-Aug-2010 16:28:07] <rocket> at least for this customer
[10-Aug-2010 16:28:13] <rmatte> yeh, I'll try tomorrow with a really plain password
[10-Aug-2010 16:28:15] <rocket> anyway ttyl
[10-Aug-2010 16:28:18] <rmatte> later
[10-Aug-2010 16:28:32] <rocket> also wrap in try except pass logic
[10-Aug-2010 16:28:54] <rmatte> yeh
[10-Aug-2010 16:39:00] <dec3pti0n> i can't find anything to fix these false "threshold of high utilization exceeded: current value 30905980357835580.00" issues
[10-Aug-2010 16:39:40] <dec3pti0n> it uses the 64bit templates and zenoss and the system have the correct nic speed !
[10-Aug-2010 16:40:26] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: that's bizarre, did you switch them to 64bit template recently?
[10-Aug-2010 16:40:41] <dec3pti0n> no always been there
[10-Aug-2010 16:41:00] <dec3pti0n> it started happenning after I switched to 3.0
[10-Aug-2010 16:41:09] <rmatte> odd
[10-Aug-2010 16:43:09] <rmatte> have you tried: zenperfsnmp run -v10 -d <device you're having issues on>
[10-Aug-2010 16:43:10] <rmatte> ?
[10-Aug-2010 16:43:18] <rmatte> might give you a better idea of what's happening there
[10-Aug-2010 16:43:40] <dec3pti0n> rmatte: let me try , but what should i be looking for ?
[10-Aug-2010 16:43:59] <rmatte> the output is self explanatory
[10-Aug-2010 16:44:03] <rmatte> trust me
[10-Aug-2010 16:44:25] <rmatte> you'll see the threshold kick off, focus on that section of output
[10-Aug-2010 16:44:47] <rmatte> have you noticed anything unusual with your graphs?
[10-Aug-2010 16:45:09] <rmatte> graphs for those interfaces specifically
[10-Aug-2010 16:46:08] <dec3pti0n> rmatte: ok just did it let me go over the output
[10-Aug-2010 16:46:15] <rmatte> k
[10-Aug-2010 16:46:58] <dec3pti0n> rmatte: yeah the graph for that nic (eth1) which just alerted now shows a spike over 200 P
[10-Aug-2010 16:47:22] <dec3pti0n> I'm pretty sure I don't have a petabyte nic :)
[10-Aug-2010 16:47:28] <rmatte> lol
[10-Aug-2010 16:47:52] <rmatte> are there several spikes or just the 1?
[10-Aug-2010 16:48:18] <dec3pti0n> just one
[10-Aug-2010 16:49:12] <rmatte> that might have been an snmp counter rollover
[10-Aug-2010 16:49:26] <sciolist> is there a zProperty or other switch I can use to stop modelling for a device?
[10-Aug-2010 16:49:57] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: basically, snmp keeps a counter and Zenoss derives the values from what the last value was and graphs that
[10-Aug-2010 16:50:05] <rmatte> so basically value b - value a
[10-Aug-2010 16:50:17] <rmatte> The counter only goes so high
[10-Aug-2010 16:50:32] <rmatte> so when it drops back to 0, it derives the difference between the high counter and the new lower counter
[10-Aug-2010 16:50:37] <rmatte> which can cause a major spike on the graph
[10-Aug-2010 16:50:49] <rmatte> that's my best guess as to what that was
[10-Aug-2010 16:51:48] <rmatte> though I thought Zenoss dealt with rollovers gracefully, so I'm not 100% sure
[10-Aug-2010 16:51:51] <rmatte> just my best guess
[10-Aug-2010 16:52:09] <sciolist> you can tun the values that a graph/RRD will accept and get rid of most of those, as well
[10-Aug-2010 16:52:19] <sciolist> err, 'tune'
[10-Aug-2010 16:52:22] <rmatte> yeh
[10-Aug-2010 16:52:38] <rmatte> If you set a reasonable max value it'll eliminate those
[10-Aug-2010 16:54:57] <dec3pti0n> ok, cool so I can tune that through zenoss ?
[10-Aug-2010 16:55:15] <rmatte> yes
[10-Aug-2010 16:55:19] <rmatte> in the template
[10-Aug-2010 16:55:27] <citrus2> what does the "link graphs" check box do?
[10-Aug-2010 16:55:55] <|rt|> citrus2: links the zoom and shift of the graphs
[10-Aug-2010 16:55:57] <rmatte> citrus2: makes it so that when you're zooming or moving through the graphs they all move the same way
[10-Aug-2010 16:56:10] <rmatte> if you uncheck it you'll only zoom/move through the 1 specific graph that you click on
[10-Aug-2010 16:58:24] <citrus2> oh cool
[10-Aug-2010 16:58:41] <citrus2> i only had one graph i was clicking through so i was confused
[10-Aug-2010 16:58:45] <citrus2> makes senc
[10-Aug-2010 16:58:47] <citrus2> sense
[10-Aug-2010 16:59:33] <dec3pti0n> rmatte: ok so I can change the MaxY from -1 to 1gb and then push the changes
[10-Aug-2010 16:59:41] <citrus2> has anyone in here monitor esx4.0 servers?
[10-Aug-2010 17:01:14] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: no, you'd probably have to delete the RRD files and let them be recreated for that change to take effect
[10-Aug-2010 17:01:24] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: since it's a change to the actual RRD file itself
[10-Aug-2010 17:01:44] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: oh wait, Max Y in the graph options
[10-Aug-2010 17:01:53] <rmatte> yeh, that should work without having to clear the RRDs
[10-Aug-2010 17:01:54] <rmatte> try it out
[10-Aug-2010 17:02:14] <rmatte> not sure if that's going to help you with the thresholds themselves though
[10-Aug-2010 17:02:46] <dec3pti0n> ok, something else that I just noticed ... on the "high utilization" threshold it complains that the ifHCOutOctets datapoint is missing
[10-Aug-2010 17:04:10] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[10-Aug-2010 17:04:17] <mducharme-laptop> this tracepath.py program is not working
[10-Aug-2010 17:04:24] <mducharme-laptop> docs/DOC-3238
[10-Aug-2010 17:04:27] <mducharme-laptop> I have determined why
[10-Aug-2010 17:04:42] <mducharme-laptop> path = source.os.traceRoute(destination, [])
[10-Aug-2010 17:04:50] <mducharme-laptop> that is yielding incorrect results
[10-Aug-2010 17:09:49] <citrus2> have they built any kind of condition statements into zenoss? such as if switch1 is down don't report/ping these servers
[10-Aug-2010 17:11:29] <mducharme-laptop> citrus2 that's with layer 3 dependencies
[10-Aug-2010 17:11:39] <citrus2> ?
[10-Aug-2010 17:11:41] <mducharme-laptop> only works with layer 3...
[10-Aug-2010 17:11:55] <mducharme-laptop> that's what I'm trying to get going now
[10-Aug-2010 17:12:28] <mray> Zenoss Core 3.0.1 is now available: blogs/zenossblog/2010/08/10/zenoss-core-301-is-now-available
[10-Aug-2010 17:12:36] <citrus2> layer 3 as in the osi model?
[10-Aug-2010 17:13:19] <mducharme-laptop> yes
[10-Aug-2010 17:13:29] <mducharme-laptop> as in network-to-network dependencies
[10-Aug-2010 17:13:47] <citrus2> sorry that seems a bit vague
[10-Aug-2010 17:14:20] <mducharme-laptop> well what happens is zenoss grabs the routing tables for all intermediate routers via snmp
[10-Aug-2010 17:14:40] <mducharme-laptop> it uses the routing tables to determine the dependencies
[10-Aug-2010 17:15:19] <mducharme-laptop> thus it happens automatically if all of your routing tables are complete
[10-Aug-2010 17:16:22] <mducharme-laptop> the sure-fire way to know that is zenoss should be able to figure out how to route to a device simply by going through the OS->Routes list one device at a time
[10-Aug-2010 17:16:39] <mducharme-laptop> if you are missing a router somewhere between zenoss and the target system the dependencies will not work
[10-Aug-2010 17:17:32] <rmatte> dec3pti0n: is it actually missing?
[10-Aug-2010 17:19:39] <mducharme-laptop> wtf function is this thing calling
[10-Aug-2010 17:19:54] <mducharme-laptop> whatever source.os.traceRoute is appears to be the problem
[10-Aug-2010 17:20:57] <mducharme-laptop> it's not working....
[10-Aug-2010 17:22:20] <rmatte> try calling on the function yourself in zendmd or something
[10-Aug-2010 17:22:23] <rmatte> see what you get
[10-Aug-2010 17:23:45] <mducharme-laptop> doesn't do anything
[10-Aug-2010 17:24:04] * rmatte shrugs
[10-Aug-2010 17:24:08] <mducharme-laptop> I cannot find the function referenced anywhere
[10-Aug-2010 17:24:23] <mducharme-laptop> except the layer 3 dependency checker script
[10-Aug-2010 17:24:33] <mducharme-laptop> but it's not part of the script, it's either part of python or part of zenoss
[10-Aug-2010 17:25:04] <mducharme-laptop> I'm doing a recursive grep now in zenoss
[10-Aug-2010 17:25:12] <mducharme-laptop> to try to find this mystery traceRoute method
[10-Aug-2010 17:25:57] <sergeymasushko> there is a TT regarding dependencies... http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5897 looks like it will be a long story...
[10-Aug-2010 17:27:52] <citrus2> mducharme-laptop: i understand what you mean.. did they build that layer 3 dependency in or is it a zenpack or something else?
[10-Aug-2010 17:28:05] <mducharme-laptop> it's built in
[10-Aug-2010 17:28:24] <citrus2> you're having trouble getting it working tho?
[10-Aug-2010 17:28:29] <mducharme-laptop> well
[10-Aug-2010 17:28:32] <mducharme-laptop> I have a large network
[10-Aug-2010 17:28:35] <mducharme-laptop> I want to know what devices I need
[10-Aug-2010 17:28:44] <mducharme-laptop> I'm using this script some guy wrote
[10-Aug-2010 17:28:56] <mducharme-laptop> that helps trace dependencies
[10-Aug-2010 17:28:58] <mducharme-laptop> tracepath.py
[10-Aug-2010 17:29:01] <mducharme-laptop> I'm having difficulties with it
[10-Aug-2010 17:29:17] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: perhaps this thread will help you: message/21222
[10-Aug-2010 17:32:51] <mducharme-laptop> rmatte - the issue is that os.traceRoute() is not returning complete data
[10-Aug-2010 17:33:04] <mducharme-laptop> I think there is perhaps a glitch in it or some kind of missing parameter
[10-Aug-2010 17:33:12] <mducharme-laptop> it is returning only the first two routes
[10-Aug-2010 17:33:14] <mducharme-laptop> and that is it
[10-Aug-2010 17:35:38] <mducharme-laptop> it looks like it's some built in python method
[10-Aug-2010 17:35:41] <mducharme-laptop> but it's not in the docs
[10-Aug-2010 17:35:52] <citrus2> whats the best way to suppress an event for a specific server? i don't want to just achnoledge it i want to completely ignore it.. but still check it for its brethren
[10-Aug-2010 17:39:27] <mducharme-laptop> I may have to recode this stupid tool to use some other traceroute function
[10-Aug-2010 17:54:19] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[10-Aug-2010 18:12:47] <mducharme-laptop> ok I found the problem here
[10-Aug-2010 18:12:55] <mducharme-laptop> the function only returns the route that zenoss knows about
[10-Aug-2010 18:19:50] <rmatte> ah
[10-Aug-2010 18:20:13] <rmatte> well that makes sense as you're wanting to check to make sure Zenoss is actually aware of the layer 3 dependencies
[10-Aug-2010 18:29:22] <citrus2> weird.. i just upgraded to 3.0.1 and now i am getting all these ping allerts.. even tho i can' ping those servers from the ssh session just fine from the zenoss box
[10-Aug-2010 18:29:30] <citrus2> guess i will try to reboot
[10-Aug-2010 18:29:50] <citrus2> hmm looks like restarting zenping did the trick
[10-Aug-2010 18:29:59] <citrus2> hopefully that doesn't happen in the middle of the night
[10-Aug-2010 18:30:01] <citrus2> haha
[10-Aug-2010 18:31:37] <rmatte> lol
[10-Aug-2010 18:47:04] <mducharme-laptop> rmatte this guy didn't do a very good job coding this
[10-Aug-2010 18:47:11] <mducharme-laptop> I've just about got this working
[10-Aug-2010 18:47:16] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: cool
[10-Aug-2010 18:49:29] <mducharme-laptop> now rmatte
[10-Aug-2010 18:49:33] <mducharme-laptop> only one remaining bug to fix
[10-Aug-2010 18:50:13] <mducharme-laptop> dmd.Networks.findIp("206.188.121.65").device().id is returning the management ip for that router instead of the name
[10-Aug-2010 18:50:24] <mducharme-laptop> only for that one router
[10-Aug-2010 18:50:29] <mducharme-laptop> it returns the correct data for the others
[10-Aug-2010 18:50:56] <rmatte> you shouldn't be using .id to get the actualy hostname anyways...
[10-Aug-2010 18:51:16] <mducharme-laptop> heh that's what this guy's script is doing
[10-Aug-2010 18:51:20] <mducharme-laptop> what should it use instead
[10-Aug-2010 18:51:34] <rmatte> try dmd.Networks.findIp("206.188.121.65").device().getId()
[10-Aug-2010 18:52:08] <mducharme-laptop> returns same thing
[10-Aug-2010 18:52:12] <rmatte> odd
[10-Aug-2010 18:52:17] <rmatte> you're sure the name is correct in the UI?
[10-Aug-2010 18:52:47] <mducharme-laptop> yup
[10-Aug-2010 18:52:56] <rmatte> hmmm
[10-Aug-2010 18:53:56] <rmatte> why aren't you just doing...
[10-Aug-2010 18:54:08] <rmatte> oh wait nevermind...
[10-Aug-2010 18:54:15] <rmatte> you're pulling it from an actual network route
[10-Aug-2010 18:54:16] <rmatte> hmmm
[10-Aug-2010 18:54:42] <mducharme-laptop> it isn't actually "206.188.121.65"
[10-Aug-2010 18:54:50] <mducharme-laptop> it's a variable that stores that data
[10-Aug-2010 18:55:00] <rmatte> ok, hold on, I want to be clear with what you're trying to do here...
[10-Aug-2010 18:55:11] <rmatte> 206.188.121.65 would be the IP of the device?
[10-Aug-2010 18:55:22] <rmatte> and you want to resolve that to the hostname of the device that's stored in Zenoss
[10-Aug-2010 18:55:23] <rmatte> correct?
[10-Aug-2010 18:56:13] <rmatte> or could that IP be any interface on the device?
[10-Aug-2010 18:58:14] <mducharme-laptop> ok, I think the problem is in zenoss itself with the device
[10-Aug-2010 18:58:25] <rmatte> there's a good chance
[10-Aug-2010 18:58:28] <mducharme-laptop> I say that because
[10-Aug-2010 18:58:44] <mducharme-laptop> when i browse to the device and do a run command -> dns forward
[10-Aug-2010 18:58:48] <mducharme-laptop> it does the dns forward on the ip
[10-Aug-2010 18:58:56] <mducharme-laptop> it should be using the name
[10-Aug-2010 18:59:12] <rmatte> hold on
[10-Aug-2010 18:59:14] <rmatte> try this...
[10-Aug-2010 18:59:21] <rmatte> .getDeviceName()
[10-Aug-2010 18:59:27] <rmatte> instead of getId()
[10-Aug-2010 18:59:31] <rmatte> that should do it
[10-Aug-2010 18:59:53] <mducharme-laptop> nope
[10-Aug-2010 18:59:54] <mducharme-laptop> still the ip
[10-Aug-2010 19:00:07] <rmatte> k, then you definitely have something screwy going on in Zenoss
[10-Aug-2010 19:00:12] <rmatte> maybe try setting the name to something else
[10-Aug-2010 19:00:15] <rmatte> then setting it back
[10-Aug-2010 19:00:15] <rmatte> ?
[10-Aug-2010 19:00:45] <rmatte> anyways, I have to go, done for the day
[10-Aug-2010 19:00:48] <rmatte> I'll be back tomorrow
[10-Aug-2010 19:00:54] <rmatte> cheers
[10-Aug-2010 19:01:23] <mducharme-laptop> I deleted the device
[10-Aug-2010 19:01:26] <mducharme-laptop> I'm re-adding it
[10-Aug-2010 20:04:10] <Parabola> hey guys, i cant find a couple things in 3.0 if someone wouldnt mind helping
[10-Aug-2010 20:04:35] <Parabola> i want to reformat the emailed alerts, and i want to change the thresholds before an alert goes out (say 1 ping every 60 seconds, after 5 it emails)
[10-Aug-2010 20:07:43] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[10-Aug-2010 20:10:30] <Parabola> evening matt
[10-Aug-2010 20:11:55] <mray> good evening, just pushing out a few more Zenoss 3.0.1 announcements
[10-Aug-2010 20:18:20] <Parabola> cool :)
[10-Aug-2010 20:18:29] <Parabola> mray: wheres a good place to find where stuff moved too?
[10-Aug-2010 20:18:35] <mray> which stuff?
[10-Aug-2010 20:18:41] <Parabola> mray: i cant find where to change the format of email alerts, or thresholds before emails are sent
[10-Aug-2010 20:18:45] <mray> oh, in the application?
[10-Aug-2010 20:18:54] <mray> the Administration Guide has been updated
[10-Aug-2010 20:19:05] <mray> all new screenshots and it's supposed to be up-to-date
[10-Aug-2010 20:19:27] <mray> the Getting Started Guide is still being updated
[10-Aug-2010 20:21:59] <Parabola> ah okay, i'll cehck in the admin guide
[10-Aug-2010 20:39:26] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[10-Aug-2010 20:48:41] <Parabola> okay, i'm looking through the admin guide, i'm not sure of the verbage i am looking for.. its getting a little frustrating
[10-Aug-2010 20:48:51] <Parabola> in 2.5 it was easy to find this stuff. why the hell is it hidden now
[10-Aug-2010 22:26:21] <Parabola> what would stop the device name from showing up in the alerts (email)
[10-Aug-2010 22:26:28] <Parabola> i get <ip> ip: <ip>
[10-Aug-2010 22:26:38] <Parabola> but in the event log i clearly see the device name is there
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[11-Aug-2010 03:14:22] <mota> Zenoss server time: Now o'clock
[11-Aug-2010 03:17:51] <mota> seriously: http://i.imagehost.org/0300/Zenoss_NOW.png
[11-Aug-2010 06:26:04] <Grizmawe> Good afternoon - is it possible to have a report emailed periodically in zenoss?
[11-Aug-2010 06:59:04] <aclark> Grizmawe: What kind of report? I know Zenoss can email alerts… based on events.
[11-Aug-2010 07:23:54] * LarsN continues to fight with httpmonitor
[11-Aug-2010 07:24:08] <LarsN> morning aclark
[11-Aug-2010 07:24:10] <LarsN> :)
[11-Aug-2010 07:25:34] <LarsN> time to thumb through the extended monitoring guide, again I guess
[11-Aug-2010 07:30:06] <LarsN> should HTTP_Monitor be using ${dev/manageIp} instead of ${dev/id} as it's Source?
[11-Aug-2010 07:30:22] <LarsN> if not, how do I change that?
[11-Aug-2010 07:55:03] Parabola` is now known as Parabola
[11-Aug-2010 07:56:40] <aclark> LarsN: morning
[11-Aug-2010 08:15:37] <nickanderson> mornin
[11-Aug-2010 08:23:29] <Grizmawe> aclark, sorry bout that - in a meeting. I want to mail a copy of the file usage report every month to a colleague
[11-Aug-2010 08:33:38] <chachan> hi guys
[11-Aug-2010 08:35:43] <twm1010> rmatte: I swear I'll bookmark it this time. what's the pastebin for images?
[11-Aug-2010 08:39:36] <twm1010> hrmm, imagebin...
[11-Aug-2010 08:39:41] <twm1010> thats not what i used before
[11-Aug-2010 08:42:06] <LarsN> tinypic works as well.
[11-Aug-2010 08:51:10] * frozty_sa likes bayimg
[11-Aug-2010 08:51:58] <LarsN> is anyone available to help who knows their way around Zenoss 3.0 & httpmonitor?
[11-Aug-2010 08:54:03] <nickanderson> LarsN: ive used it
[11-Aug-2010 08:54:08] <nickanderson> cant say i know my way around
[11-Aug-2010 08:54:13] <nickanderson> the lack of a test box sux
[11-Aug-2010 08:54:14] <nickanderson> heh
[11-Aug-2010 08:54:44] <nickanderson> First off have you updated to the latest httpmonitor zenpack?
[11-Aug-2010 08:54:49] <LarsN> Here's what I'm trying to accomplish. And then I'll tell you whave I've done.
[11-Aug-2010 08:54:55] <LarsN> I'm running 2.0.3
[11-Aug-2010 08:55:18] <nickanderson> k
[11-Aug-2010 08:55:35] <LarsN> I have created two copies of the base HTTP monitor template. The first I labeled HTTP, the second HTTPS, Each is bound to a device class: /device/http or /device/https
[11-Aug-2010 08:56:03] <LarsN> the only difference between the two is clicking the "Use SSL" and the port number, 80/443
[11-Aug-2010 08:56:09] <nickanderson> right
[11-Aug-2010 08:56:28] <LarsN> Then, under the device class, I have added devices named: www.somesite.com
[11-Aug-2010 08:56:36] <LarsN> www.someothersite.com
[11-Aug-2010 08:56:37] <LarsN> etc.
[11-Aug-2010 08:56:44] <nickanderson> ok
[11-Aug-2010 08:57:03] <LarsN> All of the above, SSL or otherwise alert with "Name or service not known"
[11-Aug-2010 08:57:41] <nickanderson> have you deleted the ip tales expression from the monitor?
[11-Aug-2010 08:57:45] <nickanderson> err the template
[11-Aug-2010 08:57:56] <nickanderson> I assume you want to go by name, not IP
[11-Aug-2010 08:58:17] <LarsN> correct, so in order to do that, I goto advanced/monitoring templates/http
[11-Aug-2010 08:58:34] <LarsN> choose httpmonitor in datacources and edit.
[11-Aug-2010 08:58:36] <nickanderson> delete ${dev/manageIp} from the Ip Address field
[11-Aug-2010 08:58:37] <LarsN> yes?
[11-Aug-2010 08:58:42] <nickanderson> yeh
[11-Aug-2010 08:58:51] <nickanderson> to each of your copies
[11-Aug-2010 08:59:18] <LarsN> ok.
[11-Aug-2010 08:59:31] <LarsN> now, the only thing that stick out is, on the monitoring templates page
[11-Aug-2010 08:59:35] <LarsN> The source is listed as /
[11-Aug-2010 08:59:50] <LarsN> I think I've done this, and the error /alert changes
[11-Aug-2010 09:00:58] <LarsN> same thing, "Name or service not known"
[11-Aug-2010 09:01:20] <LarsN> do I need to unbind the /devices template from the HTTP and HTTPS class?
[11-Aug-2010 09:06:10] <LarsN> that might have actually done it.
[11-Aug-2010 09:06:15] <LarsN> hmmm.
[11-Aug-2010 09:16:52] <LarsN> sure did, removing the /devices binding from those device class apparently fixed up the httpmonitor
[11-Aug-2010 09:30:05] <ericenns> I have a question?
[11-Aug-2010 09:30:48] <ericenns> In zenoss 3.0.1 is there a way to test a datapoint?
[11-Aug-2010 09:43:21] <ericenns> In zenoss 3.0.1 is there a way to test a datapoint?
[11-Aug-2010 09:43:59] <ericenns> Has anyone used the WBEMdatasource zenpack
[11-Aug-2010 10:39:40] <ashp> now to look into zenbatchload and puppet
[11-Aug-2010 10:39:44] <dec3pti0n> rmatte: I tried to recreate the rrd graphs by removing the files under os/interfaces/eth1/*.rrd and then running the zenperfsnmp on that device but i guess it gets the data from the zopedb since the graphs are the same
[11-Aug-2010 10:52:47] <nickanderson> is there an easy way to rename a device class?
[11-Aug-2010 10:52:58] <twm1010> maybe thru zendmd
[11-Aug-2010 10:53:05] <twm1010> i'm not good at the CLI, ask rmatte
[11-Aug-2010 10:59:41] <fragfutter> you can also do it through zope, but i don't know what if zenoss stores the name someplace else also
[11-Aug-2010 11:09:11] <nickanderson> I see how to do it in zope
[11-Aug-2010 11:09:19] <nickanderson> i just dont want to fubar everything up
[11-Aug-2010 11:09:19] <nickanderson> hehe
[11-Aug-2010 11:09:38] <nickanderson> there isnt much in it, i could just recreate it
[11-Aug-2010 11:10:00] <nickanderson> but would be nice to know the correct way to deal with renaming
[11-Aug-2010 11:10:00] <fragfutter> you can also create a new device class and move all the devices from the old one over.
[11-Aug-2010 11:10:11] <nickanderson> yeah, its just the templates
[11-Aug-2010 11:10:34] <nickanderson> that i care about, moving the hosts to the other device class is no big deal
[11-Aug-2010 11:10:42] <Orv> c
[11-Aug-2010 11:11:24] <twm1010> Yeah, that's what I'm doing
[11-Aug-2010 11:11:36] <twm1010> I'm moving all my windows servers into the CIM class to use WMI for everything
[11-Aug-2010 11:11:47] <twm1010> but I've got exchange templates, terminal server templates, etc.
[11-Aug-2010 11:17:11] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[11-Aug-2010 11:17:21] <mducharme-laptop> ok guys I have a question
[11-Aug-2010 11:17:26] <mducharme-laptop> when I use the procedure here: docs/DOC-3231
[11-Aug-2010 11:17:41] <mducharme-laptop> do I actually need to create fake routers for all of the individual mpls routes?
[11-Aug-2010 11:20:28] <dec3pti0n> is it possible to use an event transform to discart events generated due to an IpInterface high utilization threshold event ?
[11-Aug-2010 11:21:30] <dec3pti0n> so if the event is triggered because the threshold on a 1gb nic is higher than 1gb the even is just trashed ?
[11-Aug-2010 11:38:59] <chachan> rmatte, I already can log in to zenoss via http, but I still coding, let me finish and I will send you a help
[11-Aug-2010 11:39:34] arrrghhh_ is now known as arrrghhh
[11-Aug-2010 11:44:28] <nickanderson> whoa
[11-Aug-2010 11:44:36] <nickanderson> i stumbled on the old UI
[11-Aug-2010 11:44:38] <nickanderson> in 3.0
[11-Aug-2010 11:45:04] <arrrghhh> hey all. i have a server setup that monitors various pieces of the network and it pushes SNMP traps to Zenoss. I'm concerned that every trap this server sends out is being intreperted as the same thing within Zenoss... How can I make sure the traps are getting sent to unique things within Zenoss?
[11-Aug-2010 11:45:06] <nickanderson> trying the http call to add a device in the browser
[11-Aug-2010 12:01:57] <ashp> hmm, with mysql and zenoss do I want to use innodb or not? I realized the standard mysql we dump out on machines is optimized for really low memory machines :)
[11-Aug-2010 12:02:35] <ashp> i am fairly sure the answer is 'yes' but wanted to check in first
[11-Aug-2010 12:02:44] <jane__> [arrrghhh] They are probably all coming through as class /Unknown?
[11-Aug-2010 12:03:17] <jane__> You need to map the different TRAPs into different classes, which also gives you the ability to
[11-Aug-2010 12:03:32] <jane__> modify the event fields in a transform.
[11-Aug-2010 12:03:53] <jane__> If you haven't already got it, you might pull my event management doc from
[11-Aug-2010 12:04:41] <jane__> docs/DOC-3538
[11-Aug-2010 12:05:49] <arrrghhh> jane__, well i mapped one event already, but i didn't use a transform.
[11-Aug-2010 12:05:53] <arrrghhh> let me read that doc.
[11-Aug-2010 12:06:13] * mducharme-laptop does battle with dependencies
[11-Aug-2010 12:07:34] <arrrghhh> wow. very nice doc.
[11-Aug-2010 12:09:00] <arrrghhh> damnit, i need like 3 more monitors for all these windows. 2 screens isn't enough real estate!
[11-Aug-2010 12:15:13] <arrrghhh> jane__, all I have in the event that I created is in the "Example" field... I used the method of taking an existing event and mapping it to a class. should i be OK then? I don't really have a good way to test these events unfortunately, it's based on branch latency...
[11-Aug-2010 12:32:38] <arrrghhh> crap. so i'm trying to backup my zenoss install. i told it "zenbackup --save-mysql-access --file /opt/zenoss-backup.tgz" - but it seems to still be saving to /tmp in the interim.... I don't have much space there, and the backup failed because that partition filled. what can i do?
[11-Aug-2010 12:33:28] <jane__> branch latency???????????????????
[11-Aug-2010 12:33:46] <arrrghhh> remote site latency, sorry.
[11-Aug-2010 12:34:00] <arrrghhh> remote site = branch for us :D
[11-Aug-2010 12:36:30] <arrrghhh> nothing's coming to mind, but can i use my workstation to backup this config as a temporary solution?
[11-Aug-2010 12:40:19] <mducharme-laptop> I am really finding it awkward to figure out how to do this
[11-Aug-2010 12:41:04] <mducharme-laptop> I have the dependencies working for this one mpls site
[11-Aug-2010 12:41:17] <mducharme-laptop> but the way I did it is I have a fake default route going in the wrong direction
[11-Aug-2010 12:41:18] <mducharme-laptop> aurgh
[11-Aug-2010 12:50:27] <arrrghhh> rmatte, you around?
[11-Aug-2010 12:52:07] <jane__> with SNMP TRAPs, you generally want to parse out some of the varbinds (or parts thereof)
[11-Aug-2010 12:52:47] <jane__> and generate different events for differnt TRAPs - depends very much on how civilised your TRAPs are ;)
[11-Aug-2010 12:53:00] <jane__> There is a scetion in the paper that focuses on this
[11-Aug-2010 12:53:22] <arrrghhh> ok
[11-Aug-2010 12:53:25] <jane__> if you simply map an Unknown event to an event class from the eveny console GUI
[11-Aug-2010 12:53:34] <arrrghhh> i'm not sure what the traps for the branch latency are going to look like
[11-Aug-2010 12:54:01] <arrrghhh> yes, that's basically what i did. i fear that every trap generated from this server is now falling under the same event class.
[11-Aug-2010 12:54:08] <arrrghhh> even the same event.
[11-Aug-2010 12:55:16] <jane__> then the only thing that has to match is the eventClassKey which is typically the concatenation of
[11-Aug-2010 12:55:16] <twm1010> Hrmm... so is there any general transform for handling unknown traps? I'm curious to know what the existence of the MIB provides you, or if you need to setup transforms anyway?
[11-Aug-2010 12:55:50] <jane__> the TRAP enterprise and specific trap number
[11-Aug-2010 12:56:38] <jane__> Unknown TRAPs will typically map to the Unknown event class
[11-Aug-2010 12:56:58] <twm1010> jane__: How does that fit in with the existence of the MIB?
[11-Aug-2010 12:57:20] <arrrghhh> i believe MIBs are checked first...
[11-Aug-2010 12:57:23] <jane__> Installing a MIB into Zenoss doesn't buy you much (IMHO) for TRAP processing
[11-Aug-2010 12:57:30] <arrrghhh> hrm
[11-Aug-2010 12:57:51] <jane__> all it does is translate a dotted decimal OID into a textual OID
[11-Aug-2010 12:58:04] <twm1010> Does it help give it a severity, at least?
[11-Aug-2010 12:58:20] <arrrghhh> oh i see what you're saying twm1010. i wouldn't think so, you have to set that up yourself.
[11-Aug-2010 12:58:33] <dec3pti0n> the number on "threshold of high utilization exceeded: current value 3147298.84" for Perf/Interface , what is that ? bits ?
[11-Aug-2010 12:58:35] <jane__> eg 1.3.6.1.4.1.9.1234 into enterprises.cisco.1234
[11-Aug-2010 12:58:35] <arrrghhh> the MIBs just help make sense of the traps.
[11-Aug-2010 12:59:12] <jane__> yup - but it doesn't actually do any parsing of event fields
[11-Aug-2010 12:59:46] <twm1010> I don't mind a cryptic trap, I can usually make heads of tails of it, as long as it sets the severity properly based on information found in the MIB
[11-Aug-2010 13:00:09] <jane__> Nope - no help with severity - you need to write a wee transform or, for severity,
[11-Aug-2010 13:00:11] <twm1010> For instance, my NetApp filer has 140+ critical traps it can send. I don't want to have to setup transforms to make heads or tails of all that.
[11-Aug-2010 13:00:23] <jane__> an event class has a zProperty that you can change to set severity
[11-Aug-2010 13:01:00] <arrrghhh> dec3pti0n, i've wondered that myself... i think it would almost have to be bits. not sure what else would make sense really.
[11-Aug-2010 13:01:06] <twm1010> I was under the impression that traps did send some kind of severity attribute along.
[11-Aug-2010 13:01:37] <jane__> You may find that of your 140 events, they can be bracketed together somehow
[11-Aug-2010 13:02:43] <jane__> You might create an event hierarchy that tests for "important" TRAPs and sets sev to critical
[11-Aug-2010 13:03:18] <jane__> with other TRAPs receiving lower sev
[11-Aug-2010 13:03:36] <jane__> It really depends on the info that your TRAP provides...
[11-Aug-2010 13:03:55] <jane__> a TRAP, per se, has no implication of severity
[11-Aug-2010 13:04:10] <dec3pti0n> is this incorrect then for a 1gb nic ? the speed shows 10000000
[11-Aug-2010 13:05:32] <twm1010> jane__: OK, so my understanding of it was wrong, I'm looking at the MIB now... that kinda sucks. It would be nice if you could just do this by manipulating the MIB database instead of having to put in a transform or classify events
[11-Aug-2010 13:06:12] <arrrghhh> dec3pti0n, looks like you're missing a 0...
[11-Aug-2010 13:06:29] <arrrghhh> 2 in fact
[11-Aug-2010 13:06:36] <dec3pti0n> yeah that's what I'm reading on now .. that would explain my alerts :(
[11-Aug-2010 13:06:58] <dec3pti0n> looks like all the interface speeds are set as that value
[11-Aug-2010 13:07:02] <arrrghhh> huh
[11-Aug-2010 13:07:11] <arrrghhh> that should be set via SNMP i would think
[11-Aug-2010 13:07:18] <arrrghhh> assuming you have the values correct within the devices
[11-Aug-2010 13:07:42] <dec3pti0n> ethtool show the correct speed
[11-Aug-2010 13:08:00] <arrrghhh> so my zenoss server is very puny. can i do a backup on-the-fly to another machine? i don't have even 700mb in /tmp...
[11-Aug-2010 13:10:33] <LarsN> arrrghhh: can you nfs mount additional storage to /tmp?
[11-Aug-2010 13:10:34] <LarsN> :)
[11-Aug-2010 13:10:57] <arrrghhh> i was thinking about it, but all i really have access to is my winxp workstation. can't really do nfs on windows, can you?
[11-Aug-2010 13:11:00] <LarsN> or re-mount /tmp to another folder/disk/file on the same box.
[11-Aug-2010 13:11:17] <arrrghhh> yea, it's a vm that they've given me basically no space.
[11-Aug-2010 13:11:31] <LarsN> you "can" do nfs on windows xp
[11-Aug-2010 13:11:33] <arrrghhh> in total, / is 1gb.
[11-Aug-2010 13:11:41] <LarsN> it might be easier to add smb/cifs to linux though
[11-Aug-2010 13:12:02] <arrrghhh> yea and do an smbfs mount on the server to my winxp box...?
[11-Aug-2010 13:12:52] <arrrghhh> oy, that may be more difficult than i had hoped.
[11-Aug-2010 13:13:49] <cgibbons> sheesh
[11-Aug-2010 13:23:52] <arrrghhh> i think i'll just boot up this spare laptop and setup an nfs server on it
[11-Aug-2010 13:27:57] <mducharme-laptop> how the heck do I get this to detect my subnet masks properly
[11-Aug-2010 13:28:05] <mducharme-laptop> it keeps seeing these interfaces as /24 which are not /24
[11-Aug-2010 13:29:15] <arrrghhh> so i have a stupid question... am i able to mount an NFS share as TMP?
[11-Aug-2010 13:29:34] <arrrghhh> i did it, and now the permissions of tmp are 999:999, and root cannot access it...
[11-Aug-2010 13:31:10] <arrrghhh> if i do a df, it shows the nfs mount with the correct amount of space...
[11-Aug-2010 13:31:45] <ashp> wow, zenoss has a 6th sense, i gave up waiting for the enterprise release
[11-Aug-2010 13:32:01] <ashp> installed the rc to test things out and they have taken down the rc and are preparing to release the enterprise one right now
[11-Aug-2010 13:34:55] <ashp> time to format the machine and let it rebuild :)
[11-Aug-2010 13:39:27] <rocket> ashp have you seen the email from rusty?
[11-Aug-2010 13:39:32] <ashp> no
[11-Aug-2010 13:39:40] <ashp> i just logged in to check if the rc had been updated and found it was gone
[11-Aug-2010 13:39:42] <rocket> ashp: re zendiag needing to be run first
[11-Aug-2010 13:39:49] <ashp> rocket: is that for upgrades or new installs?
[11-Aug-2010 13:40:06] <ashp> because we delayed our deployment of enterprise until 3 was released to avoid any kind of upgrading
[11-Aug-2010 13:40:23] <rocket> if you are a new customer it wont matter you will see the bits otherwise you will need to provide the zendiag output
[11-Aug-2010 13:41:00] <ashp> ahhh, we're a new customer, this'll be our first install, maybe we'll get some kind of email about this all soon
[11-Aug-2010 13:41:14] <rocket> if you dont see the 3.0.1 enterprise bits you will need to take a look at the PRE_UPGRADE.txt in the download portal ..
[11-Aug-2010 13:41:31] <ashp> ah, interesting
[11-Aug-2010 13:41:53] <mducharme-laptop> zenoss keeps misreading the subnet mask.....
[11-Aug-2010 13:41:58] <rocket> ashp: as far as I know you should be part of the group that gets to see 3.0.1 without the zendiag stuff
[11-Aug-2010 13:42:01] <mducharme-laptop> and I end up with a million extra lines on the map
[11-Aug-2010 13:42:07] <ashp> soon as the machine finishes rebuilding i'll fire off the zendiag stuff anyway just to make sure
[11-Aug-2010 13:42:45] <ashp> i spent the afternoon making zenoss/mysql install into /data/ rather than /opt/ so i had to rebuild from scratch to make sure it all automates properly
[11-Aug-2010 13:43:47] <arrrghhh> how does zenoss determine where to backup? it was using /tmp (despite me asking it to use /opt) so i tried to do some nfs trickery. well, it basically made /tmp unusable, so now zenoss seems to be using /var/tmp. how is this set?
[11-Aug-2010 13:44:37] <rocket> ashp: it shouldnt be that hard to install to a different directory .. I believe we even have KB articles on it .. might want to check some of the High Availability articles
[11-Aug-2010 13:46:28] <ashp> rocket: the issue was all mysql, zenoss played nicely :)
[11-Aug-2010 13:46:32] <ashp> mysql on the other hand wsa a pain in the butt
[11-Aug-2010 13:46:48] <rocket> ashp future trick .. :)
[11-Aug-2010 13:46:59] <rocket> install mysql to regular directory
[11-Aug-2010 13:47:11] <rocket> mv entire mysql folder to /data/mysql
[11-Aug-2010 13:47:15] <ashp> the trouble is we use puppet so everything is automated
[11-Aug-2010 13:47:28] <rocket> symlink /usr/lib/mysql /data/mysql ..
[11-Aug-2010 13:47:30] <ashp> so I wanted to install it and have it initialize right into /data/mysql to make things easy :(
[11-Aug-2010 13:47:37] <rocket> ah ok :)
[11-Aug-2010 13:47:39] <ashp> sometimes automation is amazing and sometimes it's just a pain
[11-Aug-2010 13:47:46] <ashp> when simple things take a whole afternoon to get right
[11-Aug-2010 13:47:52] <rocket> so you just needed to update /etc/my.conf to point to /data/mysql?
[11-Aug-2010 13:48:03] <ashp> well, that's where my favourite bit of the story is
[11-Aug-2010 13:48:14] <ashp> because when i looked into our standard /etc/my.cnf that is distributed for all mysql servers
[11-Aug-2010 13:48:27] <ashp> i discovered it was based on the standard my.cnf for machines with a whole 64M of memory
[11-Aug-2010 13:48:29] <arrrghhh> crap, it looks like ZenBackup.py is using the operating system call for a temp file.
[11-Aug-2010 13:48:43] <rocket> ashp: ruhhh roww ...
[11-Aug-2010 13:49:00] <ashp> so that led me into the realization that our primary mysql server is stuck with 16M buffers :/
[11-Aug-2010 13:49:05] <arrrghhh> how the heck can i get it to use something different? i need some way to backup zenoss onto an nfs share...
[11-Aug-2010 13:49:28] <rocket> ashp: thats not so great .. :) .. is it working better now?
[11-Aug-2010 13:49:40] <rocket> arrrghhh: hack the code?
[11-Aug-2010 13:49:47] <ashp> rocket: well, it's scheduled to be fixed tonight, i should never attempt to do anything because it always leads to more work for me :)
[11-Aug-2010 13:49:49] <arrrghhh> rocket, what, the ZenBackup.py?
[11-Aug-2010 13:49:50] <LarsN> woot! Only using 2gb of ram on my shiny new Zenoss 3 install.
[11-Aug-2010 13:49:58] <rocket> arrrghhh: replace teh system call with your own
[11-Aug-2010 13:50:01] <rocket> arrrghhh: thats the file
[11-Aug-2010 13:50:11] <LarsN> of course I only have about a quarter, or maybe even a bit less than that, of my devices installed
[11-Aug-2010 13:50:14] <LarsN> but. :)
[11-Aug-2010 13:50:30] <rocket> LarsN: wait until 3.1 comes out .. :) .. me is already drooling at the performance fixes
[11-Aug-2010 13:50:50] <LarsN> rocket: you're talking to a relstorage guy here :)
[11-Aug-2010 13:51:06] <ashp> rocket: now that's just teasing :D
[11-Aug-2010 13:51:35] <LarsN> is the process of upgrading from 3.0 to 3.0.1 as simple as a command line patch? or do I actually go through the full upgrade process to get there?
[11-Aug-2010 13:52:11] <LarsN> and, where is the appropriate form to submit a bug If after upgrading the one I found yesterday is still there?
[11-Aug-2010 13:55:15] <rocket> LarsN: assuming things dont change .. some tentative improvements being played with
[11-Aug-2010 13:55:36] <rocket> LarsN: Relstorage, caching rrd daemon, zenhub invalidations vastly improved
[11-Aug-2010 13:55:55] <LarsN> I approve :)
[11-Aug-2010 13:55:55] <rocket> LarsN: rewrite of some core daemons to use a new framework etc ..
[11-Aug-2010 13:56:22] <rocket> but I dont know how far out 3.1 is at all etc
[11-Aug-2010 13:56:23] <ashp> there, i made a case and asked for access to 3.0.1
[11-Aug-2010 13:56:32] <ashp> zendiag didn't do much as i don't have zenoss installed :D
[11-Aug-2010 13:56:32] <LarsN> rocket: for what it's worth, getting off of Ancient zope, and onto only "old(ish)" zope and "supported" python
[11-Aug-2010 13:56:35] <LarsN> is a huge improvement.
[11-Aug-2010 13:56:43] <arrrghhh> hrm. i still can't seem to get this nfs stuff figured out.
[11-Aug-2010 13:56:45] <arrrghhh> i wonder if it's a problem that the fs is NTFS...
[11-Aug-2010 13:58:28] <rocket> LarsN: not that its official or anything but gut feel is the daemons should be 10-30% faster
[11-Aug-2010 14:03:19] <rocket> ashp: you should just get access
[11-Aug-2010 14:15:18] <nzle> I have a nagios style script that checks some oracle tablespaces. Its called by a template, and each tablespace is represented by a datasource in that template. The component for each datasouce is set to the name of the tablespace. Yet when an event is generated the component in the event is the name of the device, not the tablespace of the out of thershold tablespace.
[11-Aug-2010 14:28:55] <ashp> rocket: ha, the files were exactly the same as the rc :)
[11-Aug-2010 14:29:33] <ashp> that makes it easy, i just let the automation reinstall zenoss
[11-Aug-2010 14:30:31] <jb> i guess i need to upgrade to 3.0.1 soon
[11-Aug-2010 14:30:39] <jb> i havent even used the new interface yet, though..
[11-Aug-2010 14:30:44] <jb> what are everyones opinions on it?
[11-Aug-2010 14:39:13] <arrrghhh> ok... so i have the SD card on my phone formatted to ext2 and mounted on the sles server that runs zenoss... now how can i get the backup to go to this nfs mount instead of tmp? i'm not so good at hacking up files rocket :P
[11-Aug-2010 14:48:45] <arrrghhh> i can almost hear the crickets.. crap.
[11-Aug-2010 14:50:31] <LarsN> mount -t nfs address:/path/to/whatever /tmp
[11-Aug-2010 14:50:36] <LarsN> or similar.
[11-Aug-2010 14:50:40] <LarsN> man mount ;)
[11-Aug-2010 14:50:48] <arrrghhh> LarsN, i didn't think i could mount /tmp since it's required for the system to function.
[11-Aug-2010 14:51:02] <arrrghhh> i ran into issues trying that basically, and was told no no don't do that :P
[11-Aug-2010 14:51:22] <arrrghhh> cuz to me that seems like the easiest solution. perhaps if i do an fstab entry and reboot it would be OK?
[11-Aug-2010 14:51:24] <LarsN> arrrghhh: to quote a former boss of mine. "you know what they say....." ....... "God hates a coward"
[11-Aug-2010 14:51:33] <LarsN> no reason that shouldn't work.
[11-Aug-2010 14:51:45] <arrrghhh> well i tried it, and it did not work. i guess i'll give it another shot?
[11-Aug-2010 14:51:57] <arrrghhh> crap, i don't think i've tried it again since i went to ext2.
[11-Aug-2010 14:52:11] <LarsN> filesystem shouldn't matter
[11-Aug-2010 14:52:16] <LarsN> as long as it's being exported via nfs.
[11-Aug-2010 14:52:40] <LarsN> VMs plus local(ish) usb storage on the other hand.... good luck :0
[11-Aug-2010 14:52:49] <arrrghhh> haha
[11-Aug-2010 14:52:50] <arrrghhh> we'll see
[11-Aug-2010 14:52:57] <LarsN> My world of VMs lives in the world of FreeBSD & Jails.
[11-Aug-2010 14:53:02] <arrrghhh> i'm doing a little bit of trickery for very little payoff.
[11-Aug-2010 14:53:03] <LarsN> which are only sort of VMs
[11-Aug-2010 14:53:06] <arrrghhh> yea
[11-Aug-2010 14:53:26] <LarsN> I doubt a VM the size you're talking about is going to handle more than a few devices in monitoring.
[11-Aug-2010 14:53:29] <chachan> rmatte, are you there?
[11-Aug-2010 14:53:36] <LarsN> I would guess it'd be ok for proof of concept.
[11-Aug-2010 14:53:55] <arrrghhh> LarsN, holy crap it looks like it worked. i didn't try it since i converted to ext2, d'oh :P
[11-Aug-2010 14:54:34] <arrrghhh> bwhahahaha it seems to be working.
[11-Aug-2010 14:54:53] <arrrghhh> thanks LarsN you're a lifesaver... by telling me to retry what i was doing :D
[11-Aug-2010 14:55:30] <LarsN> I think it was my pessimism.
[11-Aug-2010 14:55:36] <arrrghhh> hahaha
[11-Aug-2010 14:55:44] <LarsN> believing it wouldn't work, triggered the Murphy effect.
[11-Aug-2010 14:56:03] <arrrghhh> yea, at first i was trying to export an NTFS drive over NFS. which, they don't place nicely together.
[11-Aug-2010 15:00:25] <lemma> hi! is anyone in here successfully using the community.odbc.MsSql2kDatabaseMap zenpack? I'm having trouble to get it working and get a "need more than 3 values to unpack" error.
[11-Aug-2010 15:05:48] <RobertLaptop> Question. We are going though PCI complaince right now and we have been using Zenoss for central logging out auditor want to make sure our logs have integrity checks. Does anyone of any documentation on the subject?
[11-Aug-2010 15:10:23] <LarsN> RobertLaptop: Sas-70 Type-II, SOX, HIPAA, or other?
[11-Aug-2010 15:10:33] <LarsN> RobertLaptop: I hate audits/auditors :)
[11-Aug-2010 15:10:43] <RobertLaptop> LarsN, PCI
[11-Aug-2010 15:11:11] <RobertLaptop> I have change from kill all the layer to kill all the auditors.
[11-Aug-2010 15:11:50] <LarsN> RobertLaptop: just remember, server rooms are usualy cold enough to slow decomp to a point you can hide the bodies for a long time.
[11-Aug-2010 15:12:00] <RobertLaptop> Yep
[11-Aug-2010 15:12:32] <LarsN> which auditing firm if I might ask?
[11-Aug-2010 15:12:40] <RobertLaptop> Trustwave
[11-Aug-2010 15:12:44] <LarsN> we always had Crowe Chizek come in for our Sas-70
[11-Aug-2010 15:12:57] <LarsN> fun times, As for your question I'm sorry I don't have an answer.
[11-Aug-2010 15:13:38] <LarsN> I think the FDIC came in to audit us at one point as well. A couple of our customers were banks at the time.
[11-Aug-2010 15:13:41] <RobertLaptop> Ok thinks.
[11-Aug-2010 15:13:45] <LarsN> luckily I've left that job.
[11-Aug-2010 15:13:51] <RobertLaptop> thanks
[11-Aug-2010 15:14:05] <LarsN> someone here is likely to know though.
[11-Aug-2010 15:16:02] <twm1010> someone gave me the regex ^[^ ]*httpd[^ /]*( |$) earlier for monitoring Apache processes
[11-Aug-2010 15:16:10] <twm1010> Anyone have a similar one handy for Tomcat?
[11-Aug-2010 15:16:23] <twm1010> i assume the actual process is "java"
[11-Aug-2010 15:17:42] <arrrghhh> yea, gotta love auditors. we are a bank, so i know all about that :D
[11-Aug-2010 15:18:12] <arrrghhh> twm1010, can you replace "httpd" with "java" and see what happens?
[11-Aug-2010 15:19:04] <nickanderson> I dont bother doing process monitoring
[11-Aug-2010 15:19:15] <nickanderson> process running does not indicate that anything is working
[11-Aug-2010 15:19:32] <nickanderson> seems like other deep checks would fail
[11-Aug-2010 15:19:49] <LarsN> I'm a big fan of the actual httpmonitor plugin
[11-Aug-2010 15:19:55] <LarsN> for monitoring web anyway.
[11-Aug-2010 15:19:57] <nickanderson> now that you got it working ;)
[11-Aug-2010 15:20:16] <LarsN> not only confirms it's working, but will show 50x errors which are pretty common in our Plone Hosting world.
[11-Aug-2010 15:20:21] <nickanderson> right, thats what I mean though. Does anyone actually find the process monitors useful?
[11-Aug-2010 15:20:22] <LarsN> nickanderson: well there is that.
[11-Aug-2010 15:20:41] <nickanderson> http check will tell you if its working as expected
[11-Aug-2010 15:20:55] <nickanderson> httpd process running tells you something by that name is executing
[11-Aug-2010 15:21:00] <LarsN> I disabled the default http and https from IP Services
[11-Aug-2010 15:21:01] <nickanderson> which dosnt help much
[11-Aug-2010 15:21:17] <LarsN> we also run the apache, and nginx zenpacks
[11-Aug-2010 15:21:23] <nickanderson> :)
[11-Aug-2010 15:21:26] <nickanderson> thats mine
[11-Aug-2010 15:21:28] <LarsN> to monitor the actual loads on the various webservers.
[11-Aug-2010 15:21:28] <nickanderson> the nginx one
[11-Aug-2010 15:21:37] <LarsN> that one I haven't applied yet
[11-Aug-2010 15:21:39] <nickanderson> whoo somoen used it
[11-Aug-2010 15:21:40] <nickanderson> hehe
[11-Aug-2010 15:21:50] <nickanderson> i just updated it for 3.0 last night
[11-Aug-2010 15:21:51] <LarsN> I'm going to install and use it though.
[11-Aug-2010 15:22:24] <nickanderson> http://github.com/nickanderson/ZenPacks.community.NginxStatus
[11-Aug-2010 15:22:37] <nickanderson> I dont think its been pulled up to the zenoss repo yet
[11-Aug-2010 15:22:52] <LarsN> anyone wanna see something SUPER awesome?
[11-Aug-2010 15:22:57] <nickanderson> of course
[11-Aug-2010 15:23:05] <LarsN> http://w9zeb.org/gallery/images/computers/zope_hall_of_shame/shame2.png
[11-Aug-2010 15:23:09] <nickanderson> man bear pig!
[11-Aug-2010 15:23:11] <LarsN> check out that top process :)
[11-Aug-2010 15:23:19] <nickanderson> hehe
[11-Aug-2010 15:23:34] <nickanderson> man
[11-Aug-2010 15:23:49] <nickanderson> thats a hunk of memory
[11-Aug-2010 15:24:34] <LarsN> yeah.
[11-Aug-2010 15:24:57] <LarsN> sites like the top three, took that box offline at least twice
[11-Aug-2010 15:25:08] <LarsN> all ram, used. 16gb of swap... used.
[11-Aug-2010 15:25:11] <LarsN> PANIC!
[11-Aug-2010 15:25:13] <nickanderson> dang
[11-Aug-2010 15:25:20] <nickanderson> thats ridiculous
[11-Aug-2010 15:25:40] <LarsN> they finally got someone to fix the code in their site.
[11-Aug-2010 15:25:57] <LarsN> aclark knows exactly what leads to a 'top' that looks like that.
[11-Aug-2010 15:26:13] <LarsN> :)
[11-Aug-2010 15:27:58] <mducharme-laptop> what unit is the snmp timeout in?
[11-Aug-2010 15:28:00] <mducharme-laptop> the default is 5
[11-Aug-2010 15:28:09] <mducharme-laptop> I've had to increase it up to like 100 to get snmp working properly
[11-Aug-2010 15:29:00] <aclark> hah
[11-Aug-2010 15:29:01] <aclark> i do?
[11-Aug-2010 15:29:30] <LarsN> http://w9zeb.org/gallery/images/computers/zope_hall_of_shame/shame2.png
[11-Aug-2010 15:30:24] <LarsN> aclark: didn't you write the book, on a software package that might lead to some crazy ram usage.
[11-Aug-2010 15:30:27] <LarsN> if left unchecked?
[11-Aug-2010 15:30:28] <LarsN> ;)
[11-Aug-2010 15:31:30] <aclark> heh
[11-Aug-2010 15:31:33] * aclark whistles
[11-Aug-2010 15:31:50] <LarsN> aclark: for what it's worth, I think you maybe even touched that site at one time for us.
[11-Aug-2010 15:31:55] <LarsN> around Sept. of last year.
[11-Aug-2010 15:32:26] <LarsN> although you my not have known it at the time.
[11-Aug-2010 15:33:14] <aclark> LarsN: ah, which site is it? i recognize the names…
[11-Aug-2010 15:33:28] <LarsN> Land Trust, or LTA
[11-Aug-2010 15:34:07] <LarsN> that was when we moved a bunch of things off of "dedicated instance" and onto "virtual private servers" from xen05 --> supermax02
[11-Aug-2010 15:34:31] <LarsN> anyway. They paid enfold to fix up the code on their site. it stinks a lot less now.
[11-Aug-2010 15:44:47] <mducharme-laptop> is there some way to get debug logging for the modeler process
[11-Aug-2010 15:44:53] <mducharme-laptop> more detailed logging than is default
[11-Aug-2010 15:57:28] LarsN is now known as LarsN_Away
[11-Aug-2010 16:00:17] <Parabola> what would stop the device name from showing up in the alerts (email)
[11-Aug-2010 16:00:20] <Parabola> i get <ip> ip: <ip>
[11-Aug-2010 16:00:22] <Parabola> but in the event log i clearly see the device name is there
[11-Aug-2010 16:05:04] <Orv> Parabola: I'm getting the same thing.
[11-Aug-2010 16:17:36] <Parabola> Orv: really? any ideas before i spend alot of time looking into it?
[11-Aug-2010 16:24:59] <Orv> Well, in the default message text for alerting rules, the subject is supposed to be: [zenoss] %(device)s %(summary)s
[11-Aug-2010 16:25:17] <Orv> It seems like it's not picking up the device name, but rather the IP address.
[11-Aug-2010 16:25:24] <Orv> Beyond that, I'm not sure where to look.
[11-Aug-2010 16:26:01] <Parabola> same here
[11-Aug-2010 16:26:12] <Parabola> ill be online, and working on it, if i figure it out i'll let you know
[11-Aug-2010 16:26:33] <Orv> Deal.
[11-Aug-2010 16:27:17] <Parabola> if i end up just kicking it to death, i'll also let you know
[11-Aug-2010 16:29:10] <Orv> :-)
[11-Aug-2010 16:30:31] <Orv> I'm snooping around, too.
[11-Aug-2010 16:41:49] <mrayzenoss> chachan: maybe you could throw up an example of what you're doing with blogs/chachan/2010/08/11/accessing-to-zenoss-resources-via-httppost ? A screenshot could be added and then I could probably put it in the queue for a Tip of the Month
[11-Aug-2010 16:46:33] <chachan> mrayzenoss, mmm, basically I just get images to create an external report page, I didn't finish yet but I will soon. So, I when it's done I will let you know, what do you thing?
[11-Aug-2010 16:49:32] <Orv> Parabola: Those strings are generated in ActionRule.py, in /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products/ZenEvents
[11-Aug-2010 16:49:57] <Orv> That doesn't help, though; need to find where 'device' is defined.
[11-Aug-2010 16:50:12] <mrayzenoss> chachan: sounds great
[11-Aug-2010 16:50:28] <mrayzenoss> I just want to make sure other folks get the benefit of your work :)
[11-Aug-2010 16:51:10] <Parabola> Orv: i have a few devices that dont hvae this problem
[11-Aug-2010 16:51:23] <Parabola> ones i added back in 2.5 dont seem to be broken
[11-Aug-2010 16:51:25] <Orv> Parabola: That's interesting.
[11-Aug-2010 16:51:32] <chachan> mrayzenoss, sure, I want that too :)
[11-Aug-2010 16:51:39] <Orv> Mine is a fresh 3.0 install (just upgraded to 3.0.1)
[11-Aug-2010 16:51:43] <chachan> so, I let you know ;)
[11-Aug-2010 16:51:47] <Orv> So I don't have any pre-3 devices.
[11-Aug-2010 16:51:49] <cgibbons> woot
[11-Aug-2010 16:54:33] <Parabola> okay this is retarded
[11-Aug-2010 16:54:38] <Parabola> brb
[11-Aug-2010 16:54:46] <Parabola> well, be back in 30, i have to goto NAPA
[11-Aug-2010 16:55:21] <Orv> Parabola: the town or the auto parts store?
[11-Aug-2010 16:55:28] <Orv> ;-)
[11-Aug-2010 20:35:06] <JonnyV> hi guys
[11-Aug-2010 20:36:59] <Parabola> ter
[11-Aug-2010 20:38:30] <Parabola> I want to change how often the ping command is run against a host
[11-Aug-2010 20:38:40] <Parabola> where do i do that? I found it in 2.5, but i cannot for the life of me find it now
[11-Aug-2010 20:38:44] <Parabola> i think it was a zproperty before
[11-Aug-2010 21:06:39] <Parabola> :-\
[11-Aug-2010 21:06:47] <Parabola> i have gone through every single tab
[11-Aug-2010 21:06:48] <Parabola> i cant find it
[11-Aug-2010 21:09:40] <Parabola> okay i did find it trying to change somthing else
[11-Aug-2010 21:09:55] <Parabola> in case anyone wanted to know and didnt.. advanced> collectors> open the collector > Edit
[11-Aug-2010 22:09:38] <Ac-town> Is there a zenoss demo I can poke around at?
[11-Aug-2010 22:09:58] <nickanderson> http://public-demo.zenoss.com/zport/acl_users/cookieAuthHelper/login_form?came_from=http%3A//public-demo.zenoss.com/zport/dmd/%3Fsubmitted%3Dtrue
[11-Aug-2010 22:13:08] <nickanderson> admin/zenoss are the creds iirc
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[12-Aug-2010 03:03:40] <Simon4> Morning all
[12-Aug-2010 03:04:23] <tehhobbit> morning Simon4
[12-Aug-2010 03:04:35] <Simon4> so this zenoss 3 thing is fairly slow, huh :)
[12-Aug-2010 03:04:52] * Simon4 just upgraded a copy of his live instance on a test box
[12-Aug-2010 03:05:05] <Simon4> 4 minutes to load the infrastructure page :D
[12-Aug-2010 03:05:17] <fragfutter> early one morning, with time to kill...
[12-Aug-2010 03:05:38] <fragfutter> Simon4: how many devices?
[12-Aug-2010 03:05:43] <Simon4> fragfutter: 500ish
[12-Aug-2010 03:05:50] <tehhobbit> Simon4: I kinda suspect the massive new ajax stuff
[12-Aug-2010 03:05:56] <tehhobbit> but yeah its slower
[12-Aug-2010 03:06:02] <Simon4> tehhobbit: yeah, and no caching of such pages
[12-Aug-2010 03:06:20] <Simon4> right, reloading it now it's been running for about 5 mins is more like 40-50 seconds
[12-Aug-2010 03:06:25] <fragfutter> Simon4: you can check if your client takes the time to parse the ajax or the server takes it to generate the json
[12-Aug-2010 03:06:56] <Simon4> fragfutter: is there an easy browser plugin to work that out?
[12-Aug-2010 03:07:07] <fragfutter> firebug
[12-Aug-2010 03:07:23] <fragfutter> or simply check CPU usage for rough estimates
[12-Aug-2010 03:08:28] <Simon4> laptop cpu is totally idle
[12-Aug-2010 03:08:43] <Simon4> oooh.. I hadn't noticed that befoer
[12-Aug-2010 03:08:48] <Simon4> this laptop comes up reporting 4 cores
[12-Aug-2010 03:08:54] <Simon4> crazy i7 things
[12-Aug-2010 03:08:57] <fragfutter> and you are waiting for the infrastructure to load?
[12-Aug-2010 03:09:01] <Simon4> yeah
[12-Aug-2010 03:09:05] <Simon4> it just loaded
[12-Aug-2010 03:09:12] <Simon4> installing firebug now
[12-Aug-2010 03:09:19] <fragfutter> hit reload and check server CPU during the wait
[12-Aug-2010 03:09:56] <Simon4> sorry, I meant it was totally idle during the wait
[12-Aug-2010 03:10:17] <Simon4> was in chrome though.. just restarting firefox to try it there with firebug on
[12-Aug-2010 03:10:37] <fragfutter> i7 and chrome, its the server ;)
[12-Aug-2010 03:10:48] <Simon4> :)
[12-Aug-2010 03:13:17] <Simon4> heh, yeah, it's the server. Watching firebug output now
[12-Aug-2010 03:13:40] * Simon4 needs to 3.0.1 this install up, and I think mray had a patch to cache some of the devicelist json
[12-Aug-2010 03:13:53] <Simon4> 38.55 seconds for /device_router to return
[12-Aug-2010 03:34:11] <Simon4> oh crap
[12-Aug-2010 03:34:18] <Simon4> seems all our multi-graph reports are broken
[12-Aug-2010 03:57:50] <rhettardo> reboot three times
[12-Aug-2010 04:00:41] <fragfutter> re
[12-Aug-2010 04:45:15] <jsosic> hi! i have one issue, if there's anyone around that could help...
[12-Aug-2010 04:46:22] <jsosic> I'm trying to set up apache as authentication frontend
[12-Aug-2010 04:46:27] <jsosic> for Zenoss/Zope
[12-Aug-2010 04:46:53] <jsosic> I was searching for apachepass, but I can't find it for download
[12-Aug-2010 04:47:08] <jsosic> now, I found something similar, designed initialy for Plone
[12-Aug-2010 04:47:13] <jsosic> WebServerAuth
[12-Aug-2010 04:56:16] <jsosic> anyone around? :)
[12-Aug-2010 05:47:57] <jsosic> ellou?
[12-Aug-2010 06:53:09] LarsN_Away is now known as LarsN
[12-Aug-2010 06:57:31] <LarsN> can someone confirm that "docs/DOC-7656"
[12-Aug-2010 06:57:59] <LarsN> 9.2 specifically, is the process I need to go through to upgrade from 3.0 to 3.0.1 if I did a stack install?
[12-Aug-2010 07:20:32] <Parabola> good morning
[12-Aug-2010 08:07:07] <ssureshot> Is there a reason why even though I have a service set to false so it isn't monitored it is still monitoring and paging me with the error? Or is there more to it than just setting the service to false?
[12-Aug-2010 08:13:53] <rmatte> ssureshot: where did you set it to false, globally or just on the device itself?
[12-Aug-2010 08:14:05] <rmatte> ssureshot: also, did you push changes to the collector from the device's page
[12-Aug-2010 08:14:07] <rmatte> ?
[12-Aug-2010 08:14:43] <rmatte> when you say services, are you talking about a windows service, and IP services, or a process?
[12-Aug-2010 08:14:52] <rmatte> and == an*
[12-Aug-2010 08:14:56] <ashp> wow, work ordered me a 256G ssd for my laptop without a fight
[12-Aug-2010 08:15:02] <ashp> the world is ending
[12-Aug-2010 08:15:09] <rmatte> ashp: lucky you
[12-Aug-2010 08:15:26] <ashp> rmatte: i am fairly sure i'll find i don't get paid this month or something to balance it out :D
[12-Aug-2010 08:16:11] <LarsN> I have two ~ 150gb IBM SSDs on my desk that we were going to put in a database server. but the developers realized you can't fix poor search performance due to shoddy code, with hardware.
[12-Aug-2010 08:16:34] <st3v3o> I love my SSD
[12-Aug-2010 08:16:46] <LarsN> on their local instances going from spindles to SSDs showed a 10x performance increase. but that's going from a 5400rpm laptop drive to an SSD.
[12-Aug-2010 08:16:52] <st3v3o> MBP boots in something like 20 sec fully usable
[12-Aug-2010 08:17:14] <LarsN> going from a 4 spindle raid-10 array with a real raid controller with a gig of cache on board to SSDs
[12-Aug-2010 08:17:17] <LarsN> not so much....
[12-Aug-2010 08:18:37] <ssureshot> rmatte: I am speaking of an imap service running on a linux box.. I set it false on the device itself not globally. I did not push the changes.. I need to look into that.. I figured it should be automatic and just stop monitoring the service.. woh is me I guess lol
[12-Aug-2010 08:18:40] <rmatte> yeh well, a gig of cache does a good job compensating
[12-Aug-2010 08:19:03] <rmatte> ssureshot: so it's actually monitoring the port then, correct?
[12-Aug-2010 08:19:33] <rmatte> ssureshot: no, you need to push changes, the collector only comes back to Zenoss for configuration updated automatically every hour
[12-Aug-2010 08:19:42] <rmatte> updates*
[12-Aug-2010 08:20:17] <ssureshot> rmatte: correct monitoring the port.. is this a global push or per device?
[12-Aug-2010 08:20:46] <rmatte> ssureshot: per device
[12-Aug-2010 08:21:29] <LarsN> Where do I, as a good Open Source Citizen, submit bugs?
[12-Aug-2010 08:21:39] <LarsN> <---- found a pretty serious one.
[12-Aug-2010 08:21:40] <rmatte> LarsN: dev.zenoss.com/trac
[12-Aug-2010 08:21:48] <rmatte> login with zenoss/zenoss or ask mray for your own account
[12-Aug-2010 08:22:05] <rmatte> sorry, dev.zenoss.org/trac
[12-Aug-2010 08:22:06] <rmatte> rather
[12-Aug-2010 08:22:16] <LarsN> rmatte: do you have a 3.0x instance handy?
[12-Aug-2010 08:22:22] <ssureshot> rmatte: than you.. Ill look this up and see where that takes me
[12-Aug-2010 08:22:23] <rmatte> oh, .com works too apparently
[12-Aug-2010 08:22:27] <rmatte> LarsN: yes, I do
[12-Aug-2010 08:22:37] <rmatte> LarsN: I haven't upgraded it to 3.0.1 yet though
[12-Aug-2010 08:22:37] <LarsN> can you look at something for me quicly?
[12-Aug-2010 08:22:39] <rmatte> going to do that now
[12-Aug-2010 08:22:51] <LarsN> in an alerting rule, add a filter for priority
[12-Aug-2010 08:22:59] <LarsN> what values are in the priority filter dropdown
[12-Aug-2010 08:23:00] <LarsN> ?
[12-Aug-2010 08:23:22] <LarsN> I see "severity" values, rather than "trivial, lowest, low, normal, high, highest" which is what I would expect.
[12-Aug-2010 08:24:20] <rmatte> yeh, you were talking about this 2 days ago... I'll tell you after I'm done upgrading, though I don't think that code has changed at all since 2.5.2
[12-Aug-2010 08:24:37] <LarsN> I just upgraded to 3.0.1 and it's the same.
[12-Aug-2010 08:24:47] <LarsN> didn't want to submit a bug that maybe was already fixxed :)
[12-Aug-2010 08:26:07] <rmatte> LarsN: that might be a relic from when they called it "Priority" instead of Severity
[12-Aug-2010 08:26:28] <rmatte> priority used to be used as the severity of the event rather than the priority of the device...
[12-Aug-2010 08:26:34] <rmatte> and yes, that would be a bug
[12-Aug-2010 08:26:35] <LarsN> nod.
[12-Aug-2010 08:26:44] <LarsN> it'd be nice to have that fixed.
[12-Aug-2010 08:26:49] <rmatte> then log a ticket
[12-Aug-2010 08:26:55] <LarsN> doing it now.
[12-Aug-2010 08:32:34] <ssureshot> rmatte: I've pushed the changes and it still seems to be connecting to the service every minute
[12-Aug-2010 08:32:53] <rmatte> ssureshot: restart the zenperfsnmp daemon
[12-Aug-2010 08:33:27] <ssureshot> will do
[12-Aug-2010 08:33:40] <chachan> hi people
[12-Aug-2010 08:33:47] <rmatte> chachan: hey
[12-Aug-2010 08:34:58] <LarsN> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/7191
[12-Aug-2010 08:35:01] <chachan> rmatte, how are you?, did you see the post that I made yesterday?, it's about what we was talking last time
[12-Aug-2010 08:35:05] <LarsN> hopefully I didn't wreck that process up too much.
[12-Aug-2010 08:35:18] <rmatte> chachan: I didn't see the post
[12-Aug-2010 08:35:56] <rmatte> LarsN: looks fine
[12-Aug-2010 08:36:14] <chachan> rmatte, http://goo.gl/cDag
[12-Aug-2010 08:36:58] <jsosic> hi guys
[12-Aug-2010 08:37:13] <jsosic> anyone set up external authentication with Zenoss?
[12-Aug-2010 08:37:42] <nickanderson> ldap?
[12-Aug-2010 08:37:58] <jsosic> no, I need Apache as authentication frontend...
[12-Aug-2010 08:38:46] <jsosic> do I need any extraction plugin for Zope?
[12-Aug-2010 08:39:12] <jsosic> or will basicAuthHelper do all the job? because I cannot find apachepas for download anymore :-/
[12-Aug-2010 08:42:39] <jsosic> so I guess no ideas about this one, hah :(
[12-Aug-2010 08:46:21] <chachan> jsosic, check this http://goo.gl/cDag out
[12-Aug-2010 08:46:58] <ssureshot> rmatte: odd it's still pinging... any other ideas?
[12-Aug-2010 08:47:24] <rmatte> ssureshot: pinging?
[12-Aug-2010 08:47:56] <ssureshot> rmatte: wrong choice of words... it's still connecting to my smtp ports
[12-Aug-2010 08:48:09] <ssureshot> or imap ports
[12-Aug-2010 08:48:11] <rmatte> did you restart zenperfsnmp?
[12-Aug-2010 08:48:15] <ssureshot> yes
[12-Aug-2010 08:48:18] <rmatte> hmm
[12-Aug-2010 08:48:47] <ssureshot> I actually restarted zenoss completely
[12-Aug-2010 08:48:59] <rmatte> well that should have definitely done it
[12-Aug-2010 08:49:11] <rmatte> you're 100% sure that you disabled the monitoring of that process correctly?
[12-Aug-2010 08:49:26] <ssureshot> here's the process I went through..
[12-Aug-2010 08:49:30] <rmatte> what's the last time on the event?
[12-Aug-2010 08:49:36] <rmatte> is it recent or is the event just sitting there?
[12-Aug-2010 08:50:15] <ssureshot> I'm monitoring the log imap mail.log file and plainly see that it's monitoring the service
[12-Aug-2010 08:50:36] <LarsN> I have a bunch of devices under the device class: /device/http the only templates attached to that class would be httpmonitor. In some cases, when adding the devices it appears to have determined an IP address, In other cases it hasn't. The devices with IP addresses are throwing /status/ping and/or /status/heartbeat alerts.
[12-Aug-2010 08:50:51] <rmatte> ssureshot: but are you receiving alerts for it?
[12-Aug-2010 08:51:11] <LarsN> how do I dial down those devices so they really only check httpd, via http monitor.
[12-Aug-2010 08:51:25] <ssureshot> rmatte: I access the device and find the imap and imaps process.. highlight it and choose monitor and set it to false...
[12-Aug-2010 08:51:40] <rmatte> LarsN: zPingMonitorIgnore needs to be set to True for that class
[12-Aug-2010 08:51:53] <ssureshot> rmatte: yes I recieve pages every night for it
[12-Aug-2010 08:51:59] <rmatte> LarsN: make sure the http monitor template's datasource only has the hostname field populated
[12-Aug-2010 08:52:09] <LarsN> that I've done :)
[12-Aug-2010 08:52:21] <LarsN> I'll check the zPingMonitorIgnore setting, I'm sure I missed that.
[12-Aug-2010 08:52:24] <ssureshot> I have enabled a maintenance window but I'm curious what I'm doing wrong
[12-Aug-2010 08:52:47] <rmatte> ssureshot: I honestly have no idea at this point, I've successfully disabled monitoring of ip services several times. It can be a bit finicky sometimes, but as long as it's disabled a restart of zenperfsnmp always does it for me
[12-Aug-2010 08:53:29] <Simon4> ipservice monitoring is done by zenstatus, not zenperfsnmp
[12-Aug-2010 08:53:37] <rmatte> oh
[12-Aug-2010 08:53:44] <rmatte> thought it was done by zenperfsnmp
[12-Aug-2010 08:53:50] <rmatte> either way, he restarted Zenoss entirely
[12-Aug-2010 08:54:02] <Simon4> hmm, yeah, that should pick changes up :)
[12-Aug-2010 08:54:06] <rmatte> oh, zenperfsnmp actually detects the ip services
[12-Aug-2010 08:54:14] <rmatte> that's what it is
[12-Aug-2010 08:54:41] <ssureshot> ah well, Ill keep toying with it.. I've got to be missing something here.. thanks for the input greatly appriciated
[12-Aug-2010 08:55:11] <rmatte> np
[12-Aug-2010 08:55:29] <LarsN> rmatte: awesome, thanks!
[12-Aug-2010 08:55:36] <rmatte> LarsN: np
[12-Aug-2010 09:12:18] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[12-Aug-2010 09:13:41] <zoidberg_> good morning
[12-Aug-2010 09:16:15] <ashp> argh, zenoss has /var/lib/mysql as a mysql socket hardcoded somewhere :(
[12-Aug-2010 09:17:05] <Simon4> ashp: it so does :(
[12-Aug-2010 09:17:10] * Simon4 symlinked it in the end
[12-Aug-2010 09:17:11] <ashp> is there a place or way to change it?
[12-Aug-2010 09:17:15] <ashp> damn, ok
[12-Aug-2010 09:17:25] <Simon4> I'm sure you could find it with some fun grepping
[12-Aug-2010 09:18:26] <ashp> still, sloppy coding!
[12-Aug-2010 09:18:37] <Simon4> yeah, it's irritating
[12-Aug-2010 09:18:54] <Simon4> sadly, adding a symlink was easier than opening a trac ticket, so apathy won
[12-Aug-2010 09:18:56] <ashp> i will raise a case :)
[12-Aug-2010 09:19:01] <Simon4> that's the spirit :)
[12-Aug-2010 09:19:04] <ashp> a fancy pants enterprise case none the less
[12-Aug-2010 09:20:34] <zoidberg_> so i'm trying to figure out why devices i've added the %(device) in message (email) isnt working
[12-Aug-2010 09:20:53] <zoidberg_> instead of device its displaying IP. the windows/linux servers i added before i upgraded to 3 dont have this problem
[12-Aug-2010 09:23:21] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[12-Aug-2010 09:23:57] <zoidberg_> so, any ideas?
[12-Aug-2010 09:24:02] <zoidberg_> or how do i find out of this is a known bug
[12-Aug-2010 09:24:11] <zoidberg_> i know i saw other guys in here talking about it the other day
[12-Aug-2010 09:26:59] <twm1010> Dunno, I'm on 2.5.2, my syntax is %(device)s
[12-Aug-2010 09:27:11] <rmatte> yeh, it has to be %(device)s
[12-Aug-2010 09:27:20] <rmatte> not just %(device)
[12-Aug-2010 09:27:40] <twm1010> is that s a character or some kind of operator? :)
[12-Aug-2010 09:27:48] <rmatte> stands for string
[12-Aug-2010 09:27:53] <twm1010> ah ha
[12-Aug-2010 09:27:57] <fragfutter> you have a %s in a string as a placeholder,
[12-Aug-2010 09:27:58] <rmatte> it's like doing %s in python
[12-Aug-2010 09:28:03] <rmatte> and specifying a variable
[12-Aug-2010 09:28:24] <twm1010> zoidberg_: does that help?
[12-Aug-2010 09:28:24] <fragfutter> python: "hello %s" % "world" -> hello world
[12-Aug-2010 09:28:43] <fragfutter> python: "hello %(foo)s" % {"foo": "world"} -> hello world
[12-Aug-2010 09:28:59] <zoidberg_> no it does not help, but thanks for responding
[12-Aug-2010 09:29:02] <zoidberg_> mine has the s
[12-Aug-2010 09:29:09] <fragfutter> python: "%(bar)s %(foo)s" % {"foo": "world", "bar": "hello"} -> hello world
[12-Aug-2010 09:29:09] <zoidberg_> the message is all Default...
[12-Aug-2010 09:29:25] <zoidberg_> i didnt touch it, it shows the IP instead of device
[12-Aug-2010 09:29:37] <zoidberg_> so the messages show up [zenoss] <ip> IP: <IP>
[12-Aug-2010 09:29:41] <rmatte> zoidberg_: does it do it for every device or just 1?
[12-Aug-2010 09:29:48] <zoidberg_> rmatte: all but 3 servers
[12-Aug-2010 09:30:02] <rmatte> zoidberg_: sounds like something screwy with your zope database
[12-Aug-2010 09:30:06] <zoidberg_> rmatte: i had 2 windows servers and a trixbox server that when they throw up alerts, its there
[12-Aug-2010 09:30:11] <rmatte> zoidberg_: try this in zendmd...
[12-Aug-2010 09:30:15] <zoidberg_> rmatte: well the ones i added are all under "ping"
[12-Aug-2010 09:30:29] <rmatte> d = dmd.Devices.findDevice("devicename")
[12-Aug-2010 09:30:35] <rmatte> d.getId()
[12-Aug-2010 09:31:13] <fragfutter> rmatte: not titleOrId?
[12-Aug-2010 09:31:27] <rmatte> or d.getDeviceName()
[12-Aug-2010 09:31:51] <rmatte> titleOrId works too
[12-Aug-2010 09:32:02] <rmatte> I prefer getDeviceName()
[12-Aug-2010 09:33:06] <rmatte> eugh, why the heck do manufacturers have to be stupid and only include free memory and total memory oids
[12-Aug-2010 09:33:19] <zoidberg_> rmatte: i'll try that
[12-Aug-2010 09:33:21] <zoidberg_> give me one mine :)
[12-Aug-2010 09:33:22] <rmatte> sure, let's make it as complex as humanly possible to make a dynamic memory threshold
[12-Aug-2010 09:33:22] <zoidberg_> min*
[12-Aug-2010 09:33:42] <fragfutter> rmatte: because "used" is redundant
[12-Aug-2010 09:34:20] <rmatte> fragfutter: yes, but think about it... normally I'd make the Max Value of the threshold something like: (here.getRRDValue('mem5minTotal') * 0.9
[12-Aug-2010 09:34:26] <rmatte> and then apply it against the user datapoint
[12-Aug-2010 09:34:32] <zoidberg_> rmatte: where do i type this at? lol
[12-Aug-2010 09:34:38] <rmatte> but now, instead I need to screw around with it to be able to apply it against the free datasource
[12-Aug-2010 09:34:53] <rmatte> zoidberg_: ssh to the box, become the zenoss user
[12-Aug-2010 09:34:55] <rmatte> sudo su - zenoss
[12-Aug-2010 09:34:57] <rmatte> then type zendmd
[12-Aug-2010 09:35:02] <rmatte> hit enter
[12-Aug-2010 09:35:04] <rmatte> wait for it to load
[12-Aug-2010 09:35:05] <zoidberg_> ah then enter it, gotcha
[12-Aug-2010 09:35:06] <rmatte> type it in there
[12-Aug-2010 09:35:42] <rmatte> user == used*
[12-Aug-2010 09:36:39] <fragfutter> (here.getRRDValue('mem5minTotal') * 0.1 apply against free and set it as min value
[12-Aug-2010 09:37:34] <rmatte> fragfutter: I don't like reversing the value
[12-Aug-2010 09:38:31] <rmatte> anyways, I'll figure something out
[12-Aug-2010 09:39:16] <rmatte> It would be lovely if Zenoss was capable of processing the datasource prior to it hitting the graphs or threshold
[12-Aug-2010 09:39:26] <rmatte> that way I could just fabricate a user datapoint
[12-Aug-2010 09:39:32] <rmatte> used*
[12-Aug-2010 09:39:46] <fragfutter> can't you do that during data gathering?
[12-Aug-2010 09:39:59] <rmatte> fragfutter: with a standard snmp oid?
[12-Aug-2010 09:40:06] <rmatte> erm, standard snmp datasource
[12-Aug-2010 09:40:06] <fragfutter> write a custom collector that does the processing and emmits your used value
[12-Aug-2010 09:40:07] <rmatte> rather
[12-Aug-2010 09:40:30] <rmatte> yeh, so I have to write a whole collector plugin for something that should take 2 seconds to configure via the UI
[12-Aug-2010 09:40:31] <rmatte> lol
[12-Aug-2010 09:41:39] <rmatte> It would be great if you could just add a datasource and tell Zenoss that it equals the sum of 2 datasources, or whatever equation you want
[12-Aug-2010 09:41:42] <zoidberg_> uh rmatte
[12-Aug-2010 09:42:01] <zoidberg_> i entered the d = line, and hit enter
[12-Aug-2010 09:42:05] <zoidberg_> it didnt output anything
[12-Aug-2010 09:42:17] <zoidberg_> i entered what you had verbatim except the "device name"
[12-Aug-2010 09:42:18] <rmatte> I wonder how hard it would be to code a datasource type for that actually
[12-Aug-2010 09:42:22] <rmatte> probably not too difficult
[12-Aug-2010 09:42:25] <rmatte> I might take a stab at it
[12-Aug-2010 09:42:39] <zoidberg_> rmatte: was d = short for somthing?
[12-Aug-2010 09:42:51] <rmatte> zoidberg_: the device name part needs to be replace by a name of one of the devices that you're having problems with
[12-Aug-2010 09:43:00] <zoidberg_> right. which i did
[12-Aug-2010 09:43:04] <zoidberg_> like i said, BESIDES taht
[12-Aug-2010 09:43:09] <zoidberg_> i typed in exactly what you said
[12-Aug-2010 09:43:13] <rmatte> right
[12-Aug-2010 09:43:17] <rmatte> ......annnnd?
[12-Aug-2010 09:43:17] <rmatte> lol
[12-Aug-2010 09:43:18] <zoidberg_> and i have a feeling you were shortcutting when you typed d =
[12-Aug-2010 09:43:24] <zoidberg_> and nothing happened, like i said
[12-Aug-2010 09:43:30] <rmatte> shortcutting?
[12-Aug-2010 09:43:34] <zoidberg_> like you were assuming i knew somthing i dont
[12-Aug-2010 09:43:41] <rmatte> no, I wasn't
[12-Aug-2010 09:43:42] <zoidberg_> and i was supposed to put somthing else besides d =
[12-Aug-2010 09:43:47] <fragfutter> zoidberg_: print d <enter>
[12-Aug-2010 09:43:47] <rmatte> I'm setting d to the path to a device
[12-Aug-2010 09:44:00] <rmatte> then you need to type: d.getDeviceName()
[12-Aug-2010 09:44:02] <rmatte> on the next line
[12-Aug-2010 09:44:19] <zoidberg_> showing up as an IP
[12-Aug-2010 09:44:30] <rmatte> then you have a problem in your zope database
[12-Aug-2010 09:44:41] <rmatte> try setting the name of the device to something else then setting it back again
[12-Aug-2010 09:44:42] <zoidberg_> okay
[12-Aug-2010 09:44:58] <rmatte> this is actually the second time I've seen this in the past few days
[12-Aug-2010 09:45:06] <rmatte> someone else had the same issue on Tuesday
[12-Aug-2010 09:45:13] <rmatte> wonder if it's a bug that was introduced in 3.0
[12-Aug-2010 09:45:34] <zoidberg_> Orv and me were talking about it yesterday
[12-Aug-2010 09:45:42] <rmatte> I wasn't in here yesterday
[12-Aug-2010 09:45:44] <zoidberg_> i have 60 devices i added that have this problem
[12-Aug-2010 09:45:47] <rmatte> but yeh, it was probably Orv
[12-Aug-2010 09:46:14] <rmatte> ok, so the names of the devices show up fine in the UI obviously?
[12-Aug-2010 09:46:34] <rmatte> sounds like a bonified bug, and a serious one at that.
[12-Aug-2010 09:47:01] <zoidberg_> yeah in webgui they are fine
[12-Aug-2010 09:47:07] <zoidberg_> i changed it
[12-Aug-2010 09:47:15] <zoidberg_> now my device name is "None" so its saying
[12-Aug-2010 09:47:21] <zoidberg_> which is not what i set it too
[12-Aug-2010 09:48:04] <fragfutter> zoidberg_: you did a commit?
[12-Aug-2010 09:48:24] <rmatte> fragfutter: commit what? he changed it via the UI
[12-Aug-2010 09:48:42] <fragfutter> didn't we talk about python codes.
[12-Aug-2010 09:49:03] <rmatte> fragfutter: I had him test to see if the getDeviceName function would work properly
[12-Aug-2010 09:49:07] <rmatte> and it doesn't as I suspected
[12-Aug-2010 09:49:10] <fragfutter> ah ok.
[12-Aug-2010 09:49:12] <rmatte> zoidberg_: one thing to try...
[12-Aug-2010 09:49:25] <rmatte> zoidberg_: In zendmd, do the following...
[12-Aug-2010 09:49:26] <rmatte> reindex()
[12-Aug-2010 09:49:28] <rmatte> commit()
[12-Aug-2010 09:49:38] <rmatte> I'm wondering if it's some funky indexing issue
[12-Aug-2010 09:49:55] <zoidberg_> we shall see in a minute :)
[12-Aug-2010 09:50:09] <rmatte> k, afk for 1 min
[12-Aug-2010 09:52:46] <zoidberg_> alright, so when i tried to use the same variable again, it kinda freaked out
[12-Aug-2010 09:53:03] <zoidberg_> when i used another variable, after the reindex, and commit, same issue, device shows up as an IP
[12-Aug-2010 09:54:19] <rmatte> k, that's really weird and obviously a bug
[12-Aug-2010 09:54:43] <rmatte> you added the devices via the UI right?
[12-Aug-2010 09:54:48] <zoidberg_> yes sir
[12-Aug-2010 09:54:49] <rmatte> or did you use the add device wizard?
[12-Aug-2010 09:54:55] <zoidberg_> single add, not multi add, no wizard
[12-Aug-2010 09:54:58] <rmatte> k
[12-Aug-2010 09:55:09] <rmatte> something has to be screwy in the new single add code
[12-Aug-2010 09:55:19] <rmatte> I'll log a bug ticket for this in a few
[12-Aug-2010 09:55:25] <zoidberg_> thank you so much
[12-Aug-2010 09:55:27] <rmatte> np
[12-Aug-2010 09:55:34] <zoidberg_> you have no idea how much you're helping
[12-Aug-2010 09:55:39] <zoidberg_> i've been working on this for a while
[12-Aug-2010 09:55:58] <zoidberg_> my next task is setting up a remote collector
[12-Aug-2010 09:56:03] <rmatte> well, I want to see that fixed just as much as the next guy... I'm still using 2.5.2 right now, but I do intent to upgrade eventually and want it to be as painless as possible
[12-Aug-2010 09:56:03] <rmatte> lol
[12-Aug-2010 09:56:13] <rmatte> intend*
[12-Aug-2010 09:56:21] <zoidberg_> yeah i want to go back to 2.5 really badly
[12-Aug-2010 09:56:28] <zoidberg_> i cant find aynthing in 3.0 either
[12-Aug-2010 09:56:44] <un33k> Anyone ever seen a seg fault in ld-2.11.1.so on a 64bit ubuntu 10.04 box when trying to perform an upgrade? Trying to upgrade from 3.0.0 to 3.0.1 and it craps on me every time.
[12-Aug-2010 09:56:53] <zoidberg_> it took me 20min to find where to change how many ping retries, it was moved to Advanced>Collectors>edit
[12-Aug-2010 09:57:00] <rmatte> Just a tip for the future, I generally wait until at least the *.0.2 release before considering an upgrade, there's usually lots of fun stuff hidden away
[12-Aug-2010 09:57:11] <rmatte> in this case I'll probably end up waiting until 3.0.3
[12-Aug-2010 09:57:12] <zoidberg_> can i downgrade?
[12-Aug-2010 09:57:21] <rmatte> I don't think you can
[12-Aug-2010 09:57:26] <zoidberg_> ugh
[12-Aug-2010 09:57:44] <zoidberg_> rmatte: if you or someone else you trust wants too, i can give you remote access to this VM
[12-Aug-2010 09:57:52] <rmatte> you could possibly do a zenbackup then restore to a fresh 2.5.2 install, but I've never tried that
[12-Aug-2010 09:57:55] <zoidberg_> or i can run w/e commands you guys need
[12-Aug-2010 09:58:01] <zoidberg_> no way that would work lol
[12-Aug-2010 09:58:30] <rmatte> not sure what commands I'd need just yet
[12-Aug-2010 09:58:41] <zoidberg_> shutdown now
[12-Aug-2010 09:58:45] <zoidberg_> is what i'm thinking..
[12-Aug-2010 09:58:47] <zoidberg_> lol
[12-Aug-2010 09:58:52] <rmatte> lol
[12-Aug-2010 09:59:02] <zoidberg_> is there any good documentation on setting up remote collectors
[12-Aug-2010 09:59:04] <rmatte> rm -rf /
[12-Aug-2010 09:59:06] <rmatte> :)
[12-Aug-2010 09:59:08] <zoidberg_> :)
[12-Aug-2010 09:59:36] <zoidberg_> "print d"
[12-Aug-2010 09:59:44] <zoidberg_> (Device at 75.19.x.x)
[12-Aug-2010 09:59:52] <rmatte> hmmm
[12-Aug-2010 09:59:58] <rmatte> when you navigate to that device's page...
[12-Aug-2010 10:00:06] <rmatte> you already said that you see the hostname of the device...
[12-Aug-2010 10:00:12] <rmatte> but in the URL at the top...
[12-Aug-2010 10:00:18] <rmatte> do you see the hostname or the IP in the path?
[12-Aug-2010 10:01:08] <zoidberg_> IP actually
[12-Aug-2010 10:01:13] <rmatte> k, that's weird
[12-Aug-2010 10:01:33] <rmatte> when you renamed the device that should have changed
[12-Aug-2010 10:01:46] <rmatte> hmmm, we need to figure out how to reproduce that
[12-Aug-2010 10:01:53] <zoidberg_> 080/zport/dmd/Devices/Ping/devices/75.19.101.xx/devicedetail#deviceDetailNav:device_overview
[12-Aug-2010 10:02:00] <zoidberg_> i added the xx in IP :)
[12-Aug-2010 10:02:05] <rmatte> yeh
[12-Aug-2010 10:02:11] <rmatte> ok... think...
[12-Aug-2010 10:02:20] <zoidberg_> heres what i did
[12-Aug-2010 10:02:33] <rmatte> the ones that do show the correct hostname, did the hostnames get auto-resolved when you were adding the device?
[12-Aug-2010 10:02:44] <rmatte> we need to figure out what the difference is between the ones that are working and the ones that aren't
[12-Aug-2010 10:02:46] <zoidberg_> no hostnames
[12-Aug-2010 10:02:50] <zoidberg_> they were added by IP
[12-Aug-2010 10:02:56] <zoidberg_> and the Device name was typed in by me manually
[12-Aug-2010 10:03:03] <zoidberg_> the ones i added were under /Ping
[12-Aug-2010 10:03:14] <rmatte> hmmm
[12-Aug-2010 10:03:16] <zoidberg_> honestly i'm afraid to delete one of the working hosts out and re-add it
[12-Aug-2010 10:03:20] <zoidberg_> incase it doesnt work
[12-Aug-2010 10:03:33] <zoidberg_> lemme check the URL on working ones
[12-Aug-2010 10:03:37] <rmatte> k
[12-Aug-2010 10:03:59] <zoidberg_> yup, URL has the device name
[12-Aug-2010 10:04:11] <zoidberg_> this one is under /Linux/Server
[12-Aug-2010 10:04:15] <rmatte> try renaming one of those
[12-Aug-2010 10:04:18] <zoidberg_> :-\
[12-Aug-2010 10:04:19] <rmatte> see if the name in the URL changes
[12-Aug-2010 10:04:31] <rmatte> just add a character on to the end or something
[12-Aug-2010 10:04:47] <zoidberg_> nope, URL didnt change
[12-Aug-2010 10:04:52] <rmatte> hmmm
[12-Aug-2010 10:04:56] <zoidberg_> should i reindex
[12-Aug-2010 10:05:00] <zoidberg_> or somthing
[12-Aug-2010 10:05:15] <rmatte> are you sure that Zenoss didn't automatically pickup the hostnames of the working devices from reverse dns or something?
[12-Aug-2010 10:05:28] <zoidberg_> on these? yeah i added them by IP, theres no DNS for them
[12-Aug-2010 10:05:41] <zoidberg_> its in here with a descriptive name
[12-Aug-2010 10:05:44] <rmatte> what version of Zenoss were you using when you added them?
[12-Aug-2010 10:05:48] <rmatte> and what version are you using now?
[12-Aug-2010 10:05:49] <zoidberg_> "Company Hosted Trixbox"
[12-Aug-2010 10:05:56] <zoidberg_> i'm on 3.0 now, i dont know what 2.5.x i had installed
[12-Aug-2010 10:06:04] <zoidberg_> do you have good memory rmatte ?
[12-Aug-2010 10:06:12] <rmatte> yes
[12-Aug-2010 10:06:14] <rmatte> why?
[12-Aug-2010 10:06:14] <zoidberg_> when did Parabola first start asking you questions
[12-Aug-2010 10:06:19] <zoidberg_> because thats me
[12-Aug-2010 10:06:24] <rmatte> oh
[12-Aug-2010 10:06:31] <rmatte> that was probably 2.5.2
[12-Aug-2010 10:07:05] <rmatte> hmmmm
[12-Aug-2010 10:07:37] <rmatte> hold on, I'm going to see where Zenoss is actually pulling the device name from on the device page
[12-Aug-2010 10:08:00] <zoidberg_> ORv found it, if the channel logs
[12-Aug-2010 10:08:15] <zoidberg_> yesterday, evening
[12-Aug-2010 10:08:33] <rmatte> it does log but it would be a pain to try and find it
[12-Aug-2010 10:08:38] <rmatte> quicker to just take a look myself
[12-Aug-2010 10:11:14] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[12-Aug-2010 10:11:56] <ashp> ldap auth in zenoss is terrible
[12-Aug-2010 10:12:01] <zoidberg_> lol
[12-Aug-2010 10:12:02] <ashp> it's making me setup ramcaches and who knows what in zope, this is awful
[12-Aug-2010 10:12:06] <ashp> who thought this was ok!
[12-Aug-2010 10:12:58] <rmatte> ashp: I haven't setup LDAP auth in 3.0 yet
[12-Aug-2010 10:13:07] <rmatte> ashp: it used to be simple with the older version of Zope
[12-Aug-2010 10:13:28] <rmatte> zoidberg_: hmmm, that code is well hidden lol
[12-Aug-2010 10:13:43] <ashp> i am poking around in zope itself and it just seems bizarre
[12-Aug-2010 10:13:44] <zoidberg_> :(
[12-Aug-2010 10:13:53] <ashp> that i didn't just go into somewhere in zenoss, tick a box, feed it ldap details etc
[12-Aug-2010 10:14:08] <twm1010> Well, they gotta hold some stuff back for Enterprise, don't they? :)
[12-Aug-2010 10:14:14] <twm1010> role based access is a nice thing
[12-Aug-2010 10:15:08] <rmatte> ashp: ldap setup in enterprise is literally just ticking a box and filling in ldap details
[12-Aug-2010 10:15:22] <rmatte> ashp: core isn't as simple
[12-Aug-2010 10:15:37] <ashp> this is in enterprise, my trouble now is i want it to enumerate users from ldap but against a filter
[12-Aug-2010 10:15:51] <ashp> and once i added the ldapAuthentication .. plugin or whatever it is, i can't find how to edit the contents
[12-Aug-2010 10:15:55] <ashp> as clicking it takes me to plugins
[12-Aug-2010 10:15:58] <rmatte> ashp: you have the LDAP ZenPack installed?
[12-Aug-2010 10:16:17] <ashp> i believe so, i installed core/enterprise zenpacks, so if they are in there
[12-Aug-2010 10:16:26] <ashp> i am following the stuff in the docs that has me poking in zope
[12-Aug-2010 10:16:40] <rmatte> ashp: The LDAP pack should be part of the enterprise packs, but you should check your zenpack list to make sure
[12-Aug-2010 10:17:02] <rmatte> ashp: you shouldn't have to poke around in the backend, it sounds like you're following a core guide in enterprise
[12-Aug-2010 10:17:18] <zoidberg_> do you just need help with the filter?
[12-Aug-2010 10:17:40] <ashp> hmm, i downloaded this from the enterprise location and this is the 'part II enterprise zenpacks' section
[12-Aug-2010 10:17:44] <ashp> zoidberg_: no, i can't even get to a place to put a filter in
[12-Aug-2010 10:17:55] <zoidberg_> oh :-\
[12-Aug-2010 10:17:55] <ashp> ZenPacks.zenoss.LDAPAuthenticator
[12-Aug-2010 10:17:59] <ashp> I have that loaded, is that the one you mean?
[12-Aug-2010 10:18:52] <zoidberg_> rmatte: im thinking of deleting a working server then adding it again and seeing what it does
[12-Aug-2010 10:20:59] <zoidberg_> actually scratch that, added another server i didnt have in there
[12-Aug-2010 10:22:40] <Orv> zoidberg_: What did you find?
[12-Aug-2010 10:22:58] <zoidberg_> Orv: hey man :) rmatte is looking now, we tried a couple things, he swears its a bug
[12-Aug-2010 10:23:07] <Orv> Well, duh... ;-)
[12-Aug-2010 10:23:07] <zoidberg_> maybe in the "single add" function
[12-Aug-2010 10:23:16] <Orv> Yeah, I saw that in the IRC scrollback..
[12-Aug-2010 10:23:21] <zoidberg_> ah :) okay
[12-Aug-2010 10:23:32] <ashp> i think i'm just going to make a case and ask for help as i'm totally baffled
[12-Aug-2010 10:23:32] <zoidberg_> orv one sec ill cehck the new device is done modeling
[12-Aug-2010 10:23:35] <ashp> i can find nowhere to put a filter at all
[12-Aug-2010 10:23:37] <Orv> Good deal - thanks for all your work.
[12-Aug-2010 10:25:19] <zoidberg_> alright, so i added a device under the server class, in a custom one i have called Vmware
[12-Aug-2010 10:25:27] <zoidberg_> same issue, URL shows IP
[12-Aug-2010 10:25:40] <zoidberg_> reindexing now, then ill test from dmd
[12-Aug-2010 10:26:28] <zoidberg_> alright, same issue, getDeviceName gives me the IP
[12-Aug-2010 10:26:50] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[12-Aug-2010 10:30:01] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[12-Aug-2010 10:33:03] <zoidberg_> Orv: have you gotten anywhere with it
[12-Aug-2010 10:33:28] <Orv> zoidberg_: No, I traced it back in the code, then got lost :-/
[12-Aug-2010 10:33:48] <Orv> I couldn't figure out where the 'device' was getting defined.
[12-Aug-2010 10:34:05] <Orv> Seems like right variable name, wrong contents...
[12-Aug-2010 10:34:42] <ashp> alright, i at least got it to authenticate against ldap
[12-Aug-2010 10:34:50] <ashp> what i can't do is the ennumeration stuff yet
[12-Aug-2010 10:36:42] <zoidberg_> yeah
[12-Aug-2010 10:36:55] <zoidberg_> i'd be okay with manually replacing each device name at this point
[12-Aug-2010 10:37:01] <zoidberg_> not sure if theres a way to do that
[12-Aug-2010 10:40:35] <rmatte> zoidberg_: if you do the same zendmd thing that I showed you, but you do d.id
[12-Aug-2010 10:40:43] <rmatte> instead of d.getDeviceName()
[12-Aug-2010 10:40:47] <rmatte> do you see the IP there?
[12-Aug-2010 10:41:57] <rmatte> hmmm, it's not as simple as just doing d.id = 'whatever' apparently
[12-Aug-2010 10:42:01] <rmatte> screws things up (I just tried)
[12-Aug-2010 10:42:07] <zoidberg_> good thing i didnt :)
[12-Aug-2010 10:42:09] <rmatte> hehe
[12-Aug-2010 10:42:19] <rmatte> well, I just had to put the name back to what it was to fix it
[12-Aug-2010 10:42:20] <rmatte> but yeh
[12-Aug-2010 10:44:42] <zoidberg_> so rmatte not sure if you saw, but i tested with another device, and a different class
[12-Aug-2010 10:44:43] <rmatte> zoidberg_: can you try adding another device and see if you have the same problem?
[12-Aug-2010 10:44:47] <rmatte> ah
[12-Aug-2010 10:44:51] <rmatte> ...and?
[12-Aug-2010 10:44:54] <zoidberg_> rmatte: yeah i added a linux server to another class
[12-Aug-2010 10:44:57] <zoidberg_> exact same issues
[12-Aug-2010 10:45:04] <zoidberg_> URL, getdevicename
[12-Aug-2010 10:45:07] <rmatte> so you added a new device you mean?
[12-Aug-2010 10:45:09] <zoidberg_> yes
[12-Aug-2010 10:45:13] <zoidberg_> i added a new device
[12-Aug-2010 10:45:20] <zoidberg_> to a totally different class, with different plugins even
[12-Aug-2010 10:45:29] <rmatte> it seems to even be affecting the devices that currently have the correct name though
[12-Aug-2010 10:45:30] <zoidberg_> only thing that was the same was i used single add
[12-Aug-2010 10:45:33] <rmatte> so something is pretty screwy
[12-Aug-2010 10:45:46] <rmatte> let me see if I can reproduce the issue on my 3.0.1 test box
[12-Aug-2010 10:45:50] <rmatte> I'll rename a device
[12-Aug-2010 10:45:50] <zoidberg_> my quetsion stands at, did anyone TEST THIS before they released it
[12-Aug-2010 10:46:01] <rmatte> no idea, I don't work for zenoss
[12-Aug-2010 10:46:02] <rmatte> lol
[12-Aug-2010 10:46:03] <zoidberg_> seems like part of QA would be, adding a device...
[12-Aug-2010 10:46:15] <rmatte> yeh, but perhaps not renaming a device
[12-Aug-2010 10:46:19] <rmatte> or they didn't pay close enough attention
[12-Aug-2010 10:46:19] <Simon4> zoidberg_: why test when you have a community?
[12-Aug-2010 10:46:23] * Simon4 ducks
[12-Aug-2010 10:46:33] <zoidberg_> because you want to keep your community
[12-Aug-2010 10:46:41] <zoidberg_> the only reason i still have zenoss is because of WMI
[12-Aug-2010 10:46:49] <zoidberg_> my patience is wearing very thin for this product
[12-Aug-2010 10:46:57] <rmatte> I just renamed a device in my 3.0.1 install and it worked fine
[12-Aug-2010 10:47:07] <rmatte> we really need to narrow down what's actually causing the issue in your install
[12-Aug-2010 10:47:12] <zoidberg_> agreed
[12-Aug-2010 10:47:14] <zoidberg_> you can have access
[12-Aug-2010 10:47:19] <zoidberg_> Orvs is a clean install
[12-Aug-2010 10:47:21] <zoidberg_> he has the same issue
[12-Aug-2010 10:47:38] <rmatte> mine is an upgrade
[12-Aug-2010 10:47:44] <rmatte> yours is an upgrade too?
[12-Aug-2010 10:47:52] <zoidberg_> from 2.5.somthing, yes
[12-Aug-2010 10:47:57] <rmatte> yeh, same here
[12-Aug-2010 10:48:14] <rmatte> I'll try adding a new device and see if that makes a difference
[12-Aug-2010 10:48:22] <rmatte> I'll add by IP as well, since I haven't done that yet
[12-Aug-2010 10:48:55] <zoidberg_> thats how i add all mine
[12-Aug-2010 10:49:27] <rmatte> adding right now by IP
[12-Aug-2010 10:49:31] <zoidberg_> kk
[12-Aug-2010 10:49:35] <zoidberg_> try adding one just for ping
[12-Aug-2010 10:49:39] <rmatte> k
[12-Aug-2010 10:52:07] <rmatte> ok, I have them added, now to test
[12-Aug-2010 10:52:17] <ashp> Quick question, while I try to get to grips with this - I'm adding subclasses under linux, stuff like say, apache, mysql etc
[12-Aug-2010 10:52:28] <ashp> if a server is running both mysql and apache can I add it to two device classes?
[12-Aug-2010 10:52:38] <zoidberg_> why create a class for each?
[12-Aug-2010 10:52:39] <ashp> or do i end up with server/linux/apache-mysql and all the different variations of?
[12-Aug-2010 10:52:46] <zoidberg_> ashp: a better way would be to have /server/linux
[12-Aug-2010 10:52:55] <ashp> zoidberg_: I thought that was the way you do it, make subclasses under linux and attach templates to them
[12-Aug-2010 10:52:55] <zoidberg_> then monitor OS processes
[12-Aug-2010 10:52:55] <rmatte> ashp: do not do that...
[12-Aug-2010 10:53:14] <rmatte> ashp: just go in to Processes under Infrastructure and enable what you want monitored
[12-Aug-2010 10:53:22] <rmatte> then put all of the devices in /Server/Linux and remodel them
[12-Aug-2010 10:53:23] <zoidberg_> :( thats what i said rmatte
[12-Aug-2010 10:53:25] <ashp> Oh, ok
[12-Aug-2010 10:53:26] <zoidberg_> stop stealing my thunder
[12-Aug-2010 10:53:30] <zoidberg_> let me help for once
[12-Aug-2010 10:53:33] <rmatte> Zenoss will intelligently monitor what it finds
[12-Aug-2010 10:53:38] <rmatte> :)
[12-Aug-2010 10:53:39] <ashp> I was planning on using zenbatchload so I figured I'd have it figure out what subclass to automatically put them in
[12-Aug-2010 10:53:43] <ashp> but hey, i guess this is way easier
[12-Aug-2010 10:53:48] <rmatte> yup
[12-Aug-2010 10:53:57] <zoidberg_> i've yet to take a look at creating classes and templates in 3.0
[12-Aug-2010 10:54:01] <zoidberg_> wonder if i can find it :P
[12-Aug-2010 10:54:12] <twm1010> I'm still needing to come up with a good regex for monitoring tomcat processes
[12-Aug-2010 10:54:22] <rmatte> zoidberg_: adding by IP and then renaming worked fine for me
[12-Aug-2010 10:54:31] <rmatte> including the one in the /Ping class
[12-Aug-2010 10:54:44] <zoidberg_> so either 3.0.1 fixed it
[12-Aug-2010 10:54:48] <zoidberg_> or my install is broken
[12-Aug-2010 10:54:59] <rmatte> well, why don't you upgrade to 3.0.1 and see?
[12-Aug-2010 10:55:04] <zoidberg_> are you kidding me?
[12-Aug-2010 10:55:10] <zoidberg_> look what happened last time i upgrade
[12-Aug-2010 10:55:13] <zoidberg_> it fucked everything up
[12-Aug-2010 10:55:13] <rmatte> (I've been using every 3.0 version including the betas on this box by the way
[12-Aug-2010 10:55:17] <zoidberg_> now zenoss is worthless
[12-Aug-2010 10:55:20] <zoidberg_> lol
[12-Aug-2010 10:55:25] <rmatte> just upgrade to 3.0.1
[12-Aug-2010 10:55:27] <zoidberg_> i get an email at 2am that <IP> isnt working
[12-Aug-2010 10:55:34] <rmatte> it has a bunch of bug fixes, who knows, it might help
[12-Aug-2010 10:55:42] <zoidberg_> theres 200 clients being monitored
[12-Aug-2010 10:55:49] <zoidberg_> fine fine
[12-Aug-2010 10:55:58] <zoidberg_> stop zenoss, upgrade, thats all i need to do right?
[12-Aug-2010 10:56:10] <Orv> zoidberg_: YOu don't even need to stop it.
[12-Aug-2010 10:56:14] <zoidberg_> i dont remember how i upgraded before
[12-Aug-2010 10:56:22] <Orv> the installer will stop all the processes for you.
[12-Aug-2010 10:56:28] <rmatte> zoidberg_: yes
[12-Aug-2010 10:56:37] <rmatte> just run the installer
[12-Aug-2010 10:56:50] <zoidberg_> k lemme get it
[12-Aug-2010 10:57:12] <twm1010> zoidberg_: I learned the first time around when working with this software. Never stay on the bleeding edge on a production system, EVER.
[12-Aug-2010 10:57:32] <twm1010> and if possible, keep a VM around for testing zenpacks and upgrades
[12-Aug-2010 10:58:18] <Simon4> that pretty much the rule for any software to be honest
[12-Aug-2010 10:58:37] <rmatte> yeh, you really need a Zenoss lab to test with
[12-Aug-2010 10:58:41] <rmatte> and don't be quick to upgrade
[12-Aug-2010 10:58:55] <rmatte> I have 3 Zenoss labs lol
[12-Aug-2010 10:59:13] <rmatte> 2 for development and 1 for testing latest versions
[12-Aug-2010 10:59:27] <Orv> rmatte: But you don't work for Zenoss....
[12-Aug-2010 10:59:45] <rmatte> Orv? so?
[12-Aug-2010 10:59:46] <rmatte> lol
[12-Aug-2010 10:59:52] <Orv> :-)
[12-Aug-2010 11:00:07] <Orv> You must be heavily involved in network monitoring where you work then?
[12-Aug-2010 11:00:58] <rmatte> Orv: yeh, we're an MSP
[12-Aug-2010 11:01:14] <rmatte> Orv: I have 14 production Zenoss servers
[12-Aug-2010 11:01:15] <Zoidberg_> stupid webchat :)
[12-Aug-2010 11:01:19] <Zoidberg_> 14? why
[12-Aug-2010 11:01:33] <rmatte> Each of the larger clients gets their own box
[12-Aug-2010 11:01:40] <rmatte> and then I have 3 boxes for smaller clients
[12-Aug-2010 11:01:49] <rmatte> actually, I'm up to 15 total now
[12-Aug-2010 11:01:52] <Zoidberg_> do you use remote collectors
[12-Aug-2010 11:01:59] <rmatte> No need
[12-Aug-2010 11:02:09] <Zoidberg_> why is that
[12-Aug-2010 11:02:21] <rmatte> Because the largest client only has just over 400 devices monitored
[12-Aug-2010 11:02:26] <rmatte> which a single instance can easily handle
[12-Aug-2010 11:02:31] <mducharme-laptop> morning
[12-Aug-2010 11:02:35] <Zoidberg_> oh im talking about monitoring whats inside their network
[12-Aug-2010 11:02:38] <Zoidberg_> workstations and such
[12-Aug-2010 11:02:48] <rmatte> Zoidberg_: who monitors workstations?
[12-Aug-2010 11:02:53] <rmatte> Zoidberg_: that's just asking for trouble
[12-Aug-2010 11:02:54] <rmatte> lol
[12-Aug-2010 11:03:07] <rmatte> We monitor servers, network, and storage equipment
[12-Aug-2010 11:03:12] <rmatte> no printers, no workstations
[12-Aug-2010 11:03:22] <Zoidberg_> you are just using SNMP
[12-Aug-2010 11:03:27] <rmatte> Correct
[12-Aug-2010 11:03:29] <Zoidberg_> k
[12-Aug-2010 11:03:49] <Zoidberg_> gotta runb e back in 30min
[12-Aug-2010 11:03:59] <rmatte> I think we're going to be moving towards using WMI to monitor windows devices
[12-Aug-2010 11:04:04] <rmatte> but for now we use SNMP
[12-Aug-2010 11:04:11] <mducharme-laptop> this is annoying
[12-Aug-2010 11:04:13] <Zoidberg_> yeah WMI works well, it really does
[12-Aug-2010 11:04:19] <Zoidberg_> i've gotten it figured out pretty well
[12-Aug-2010 11:04:22] <mducharme-laptop> this fortigate snmp thing isn't picking up all the routes
[12-Aug-2010 11:04:23] <rmatte> Zoidberg_: WMI can be a pain though
[12-Aug-2010 11:04:43] <mducharme-laptop> it's picking up all the routes except the default gateway
[12-Aug-2010 11:10:15] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: no idea, the routes should be collected by the standard route plugin, I don't think there's a fortigate specific one
[12-Aug-2010 11:10:32] <rmatte> those OIDs are a standard
[12-Aug-2010 11:15:04] <mducharme-laptop> ok
[12-Aug-2010 11:19:30] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[12-Aug-2010 11:19:40] <mducharme-laptop> it's picking up all the routes except the default gateway
[12-Aug-2010 11:23:24] <mducharme-laptop> ok... I've done an smpwalk to the device and determined that the device is correctly giving all the info at the correct oid
[12-Aug-2010 11:25:46] <ericenns> hello im making a graph definition and i want it to auto scale and not have to put min and max y how do i do this
[12-Aug-2010 11:26:22] <rmatte> ericenns: just leave them blank
[12-Aug-2010 11:26:48] <rmatte> though you may want to set min to 0 to avoid negative values
[12-Aug-2010 11:27:00] <ericenns> rmatte: this error happends ValueError invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''
[12-Aug-2010 11:27:12] <mducharme-laptop> I'm going to have to put the zenmodeler in debug logging to see what is going on
[12-Aug-2010 11:27:14] <rmatte> when do you get that error?
[12-Aug-2010 11:27:40] <ericenns> when i set min and max y to nothing at all ie make them blank
[12-Aug-2010 11:28:09] <ericenns> and now i cant reset them hmm
[12-Aug-2010 11:28:48] <ericenns> can i set these values from the command line
[12-Aug-2010 11:30:08] <rmatte> ericenns: you're using 3.0.1 yes?
[12-Aug-2010 11:30:14] <ericenns> yes I am
[12-Aug-2010 11:30:25] <rmatte> I'm guessing that's yet again another interface bug
[12-Aug-2010 11:30:32] <rmatte> since those are supposed to be blank by default
[12-Aug-2010 11:30:35] <mducharme-laptop> great
[12-Aug-2010 11:30:40] <mducharme-laptop> RouteMap.py appears to return no debug info
[12-Aug-2010 11:30:50] <ericenns> ok by default they are set to -1 and -1
[12-Aug-2010 11:30:52] <mducharme-laptop> I'll have to edit it and add a line like the one in interface map
[12-Aug-2010 11:30:56] <rmatte> ericenns: ohhh
[12-Aug-2010 11:31:05] <rmatte> ericenns: leave them at that then
[12-Aug-2010 11:31:13] <rmatte> ericenns: I just know that the default autoscales
[12-Aug-2010 11:31:17] <ericenns> but now i cant change them because I have no access anymore
[12-Aug-2010 11:31:21] <rmatte> ericenns: I thought they were blank by default
[12-Aug-2010 11:31:28] <ericenns> nope
[12-Aug-2010 11:31:32] <rmatte> ericenns: delete the graph and recreate it then
[12-Aug-2010 11:31:48] <rmatte> wait
[12-Aug-2010 11:31:51] <ericenns> i cant delete the graph none of my graphs show up for that template anymore
[12-Aug-2010 11:31:52] <rmatte> how exactly did you lose access?
[12-Aug-2010 11:31:58] <rmatte> it literally won't let you navigate to it anymore?
[12-Aug-2010 11:32:22] <ericenns> when i am in the template I get a Server exception and no Graph definitions appear
[12-Aug-2010 11:32:34] <rmatte> (I'm getting sick of all these stupid bugs with the new UI, they need to do some serious testing, especially to do with templates
[12-Aug-2010 11:32:46] <rmatte> lovely
[12-Aug-2010 11:32:51] <ericenns> this is the exception in full detail "
[12-Aug-2010 11:32:53] <ericenns> The server reported the following error:
[12-Aug-2010 11:32:54] <ericenns> ValueError invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''
[12-Aug-2010 11:32:56] <ericenns> The system has encountered an error. Please reload the page.
[12-Aug-2010 11:33:02] <rmatte> can you put /manage after the URL?
[12-Aug-2010 11:33:07] <rmatte> and hit enter
[12-Aug-2010 11:33:15] <rmatte> see if you can access a properties tab to set those back
[12-Aug-2010 11:33:40] <ericenns> i did that but nothing new appears
[12-Aug-2010 11:33:48] <rmatte> so by blanking them out and clicking save the graph dissappeared from the template?
[12-Aug-2010 11:34:09] <ericenns> made all my graphs for the template disappear
[12-Aug-2010 11:34:30] <rmatte> dissapear from the template screen or form the Graphs section for the devices?
[12-Aug-2010 11:34:35] <rmatte> from*
[12-Aug-2010 11:34:59] <ericenns> disappeared from the template screen and I get an error going to the device under graphs
[12-Aug-2010 11:35:24] <ericenns> Do you know of a way I could manual edit this or no
[12-Aug-2010 11:35:29] <rmatte> well, the dissapearing from the templates screen is just dandy since now you can't fix it
[12-Aug-2010 11:35:44] <rmatte> well, possibly...
[12-Aug-2010 11:35:54] <rmatte> let me check a few things
[12-Aug-2010 11:35:57] <ericenns> ok thanks
[12-Aug-2010 11:36:15] <rmatte> I won't be able to help out much more in here, I have stuff to do and this seems to be 3.0 crazy problem day lol
[12-Aug-2010 11:36:22] <mducharme-laptop> there we go.. I added a command to RouteMap.py to print the table data
[12-Aug-2010 11:37:17] <mducharme-laptop> http://pastebin.com/9ZYJfDh0
[12-Aug-2010 11:37:42] <rmatte> nice, so /manage doesn't do anything anymore in templates apparently
[12-Aug-2010 11:37:46] * rmatte pulls hair out
[12-Aug-2010 11:38:07] <rmatte> oh wait, I think I got it
[12-Aug-2010 11:38:08] <mducharme-laptop> um
[12-Aug-2010 11:38:09] <ericenns> oh wow thats no good
[12-Aug-2010 11:38:22] <mducharme-laptop> hrm why the heck is there that extra data
[12-Aug-2010 11:38:24] <rmatte> yeh ok
[12-Aug-2010 11:38:27] <rmatte> I think we can fix this
[12-Aug-2010 11:38:33] <ericenns> oh yeah
[12-Aug-2010 11:38:42] <rmatte> ok, ericenns...
[12-Aug-2010 11:38:49] <rmatte> you're at the template right now I assume?
[12-Aug-2010 11:38:57] <ericenns> rmate: yes i am
[12-Aug-2010 11:38:58] <rmatte> In the URL you'll see something like...
[12-Aug-2010 11:39:03] <rmatte> http://30.30.8.231:8180/zport/dmd/template#templateTree:/zport/dmd/Devices/rrdTemplates/aal5
[12-Aug-2010 11:39:08] <ericenns> correct
[12-Aug-2010 11:39:16] <rmatte> I need you to make it look like...
[12-Aug-2010 11:39:26] <rmatte> http://30.30.8.231:8180/zport/dmd/Devices/rrdTemplates/aal5/manage
[12-Aug-2010 11:39:40] <rmatte> and hit enter
[12-Aug-2010 11:39:45] <rmatte> then click on "graphs"
[12-Aug-2010 11:39:55] <rmatte> then click on the graph that you edited
[12-Aug-2010 11:40:06] <rmatte> then click the properties tab in the top right
[12-Aug-2010 11:40:18] <rmatte> and that should hopefully allow you to change the miny and maxy settings
[12-Aug-2010 11:40:24] <ericenns> it says there are currently no items in graphs
[12-Aug-2010 11:40:30] <rmatte> eugh
[12-Aug-2010 11:40:34] <rmatte> super lame
[12-Aug-2010 11:40:48] <ericenns> wait graphdefs they show up
[12-Aug-2010 11:40:52] <rmatte> if it's not even seeing the graphs as linked there's really nothing more I can suggest
[12-Aug-2010 11:40:56] <rmatte> ok
[12-Aug-2010 11:41:13] <rmatte> do it in graphdefs then
[12-Aug-2010 11:41:37] <rmatte> though the miny and maxy settings in there don't look the same
[12-Aug-2010 11:41:52] <ericenns> ok so what should the values be so that it wont use them
[12-Aug-2010 11:42:23] <ericenns> ok thanks it works no for me i figured it out
[12-Aug-2010 11:43:46] <rmatte> ok cool
[12-Aug-2010 11:43:50] <rmatte> what did you end up doing?
[12-Aug-2010 11:44:29] <ericenns> i changed it to -1 and -1 and that made it work but if I changed it in zenoss that made the graph just show -1 after I added something to units
[12-Aug-2010 11:45:28] <rmatte> weird
[12-Aug-2010 11:45:42] <mducharme-laptop> rmatte
[12-Aug-2010 11:45:49] <rmatte> if you want to log it as a bug: dev.zenoss.com/trac login with zenoss/zenoss
[12-Aug-2010 11:45:53] <mducharme-laptop> when you have a second could you look at my pastabin?
[12-Aug-2010 11:45:54] <mducharme-laptop> er pastebin
[12-Aug-2010 11:46:11] <rmatte> looking...
[12-Aug-2010 11:46:16] <ericenns> ok i'll do taht thanks
[12-Aug-2010 11:46:34] <mducharme-laptop> I added debug logging into RouteMap.py to get that output
[12-Aug-2010 11:46:35] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: what about it?
[12-Aug-2010 11:46:37] <mducharme-laptop> well
[12-Aug-2010 11:46:44] <mducharme-laptop> it's not adding any routes that have the extra numbers
[12-Aug-2010 11:46:45] <rmatte> I see, so that's your default route that it's seeing?
[12-Aug-2010 11:46:50] <mducharme-laptop> like the default route is not getting
[12-Aug-2010 11:47:00] <mducharme-laptop> '0.0.0.0.131072':
[12-Aug-2010 11:47:03] <mducharme-laptop> that's not being added
[12-Aug-2010 11:47:26] <rmatte> well, what do those extra numbers even represent?
[12-Aug-2010 11:47:28] <rmatte> seems a bit odd
[12-Aug-2010 11:47:30] <mducharme-laptop> I have no idea
[12-Aug-2010 11:47:36] <mducharme-laptop> that's what I wanted to ask you
[12-Aug-2010 11:47:41] <mducharme-laptop> is it supposed to be like that?
[12-Aug-2010 11:47:45] <rmatte> probably not
[12-Aug-2010 11:47:49] <rmatte> most likely an oversight
[12-Aug-2010 11:47:54] <rmatte> log it as a bug and see what the devs say
[12-Aug-2010 11:47:58] <rmatte> include the debug info
[12-Aug-2010 11:48:12] <rmatte> they probably just need to split that number off of the end
[12-Aug-2010 11:48:41] <rmatte> hmm
[12-Aug-2010 11:48:42] <rmatte> 206.188.113.88.1024
[12-Aug-2010 11:48:47] <rmatte> some sort of byte count?
[12-Aug-2010 11:49:47] <rmatte> seems to be some sort of memory allocation
[12-Aug-2010 11:50:07] <mducharme-laptop> yeah I don't know
[12-Aug-2010 11:50:13] <mducharme-laptop> it is there when I pull it via snmpwalk
[12-Aug-2010 11:51:31] <rmatte> they probably just didn't design RouteMap.py to account for that
[12-Aug-2010 11:53:46] <rmatte> interesting
[12-Aug-2010 11:53:48] <rmatte> in python...
[12-Aug-2010 11:53:49] <rmatte> >>> 2 << 16
[12-Aug-2010 11:53:49] <rmatte> 131072
[12-Aug-2010 11:59:21] <ericenns> in your wbem zenpack is the Select * from CIM_Processor supposed to work for any device that uses wbem
[12-Aug-2010 11:59:41] <ericenns> message directed at bigegor
[12-Aug-2010 12:00:53] <bigegor> i hope so
[12-Aug-2010 12:01:49] <ericenns> I can confirm that it doesn't work against an esxi server
[12-Aug-2010 12:03:20] <rmatte> does ESXi even handle wbem?
[12-Aug-2010 12:03:37] <ericenns> yes ESXI handles wbem
[12-Aug-2010 12:05:18] <rmatte> so what kind of stuff can you monitor with it?
[12-Aug-2010 12:05:48] <rmatte> I'm trying to figure out a way to do some decent ESX monitoring with Core
[12-Aug-2010 12:06:06] <rmatte> the libvirt ZenPack was my biggest hope, but libvirt's ESX support is garbage right now
[12-Aug-2010 12:06:18] <rmatte> vmware crippled their SNMP support
[12-Aug-2010 12:06:26] <rmatte> doesn't leave much in terms of options
[12-Aug-2010 12:06:38] <mducharme-laptop> ok, I just submited a ticket
[12-Aug-2010 12:06:45] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: cool
[12-Aug-2010 12:06:50] <ericenns> I have been manually going through the esxi wbem and have found that i can get fan speed
[12-Aug-2010 12:07:01] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: that's probably a good part of the reason why the layer 3 deps don't work properly more than half the time
[12-Aug-2010 12:07:09] <ericenns> there are commands for disk usage and such but nothing gets reported
[12-Aug-2010 12:07:39] <mducharme-laptop> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/7199
[12-Aug-2010 12:08:31] <mducharme-laptop> you know, there is some code in InterfaceMap.py which strips extra octets
[12-Aug-2010 12:08:37] <mducharme-laptop> if it finds a 5 octet address
[12-Aug-2010 12:08:46] <mducharme-laptop> I wonder if I should just add that code into RouteMap.py
[12-Aug-2010 12:08:59] <ericenns> I have been referencing these links for esxi, http://blogs.vmware.com/esxi/2010/04/hardware-health-monitoring-via-cim.html http://blogs.vmware.com/esxi/2010/05/hardware-health-monitoring-via-cim-part-2.html http://blogs.vmware.com/esxi/2010/05/hardware-health-monitoring-via-cim-part-3.html http://www.vmware.com/support/developer/cim-sdk/smash/ga/reference_html/CIM_ManagedElement.html
[12-Aug-2010 12:09:18] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: could be an idea, if you provide a working diff in the trac ticket it'll get fixed quicker
[12-Aug-2010 12:16:19] <LarsN> do any of you monitor OpenSolaris machines with ZFS Arrays?
[12-Aug-2010 12:18:18] <LarsN> one one of my two storage servers, zenoss is reporting /storage/iscsistore as being 157.9% used, -229.2gb free
[12-Aug-2010 12:18:32] <LarsN> df -h on the server shows that "disk" as
[12-Aug-2010 12:18:45] <LarsN> 4.4T total, 625G used, 3.8T free
[12-Aug-2010 12:19:03] <LarsN> any idea where Zenoss is getting that faulty information?
[12-Aug-2010 12:20:20] <LarsN> I have an identical second storage server. with an identical array.
[12-Aug-2010 12:20:28] <LarsN> that is correctly reporting it's used/free
[12-Aug-2010 12:22:42] <rmatte> LarsN: I have the exact same issue right now
[12-Aug-2010 12:22:50] <rmatte> with a bunch of Solaris servers that I monitor
[12-Aug-2010 12:22:56] <Zoidberg_> im back
[12-Aug-2010 12:22:59] <Zoidberg_> that was a long lunch meeting :)
[12-Aug-2010 12:23:02] <rmatte> some of the disks were showing over 1000% utilization
[12-Aug-2010 12:23:08] <LarsN> rmatte: so I'm not crazy, and it might actually be a problem with zenoss
[12-Aug-2010 12:23:13] <rmatte> with negative values like what you're seeing
[12-Aug-2010 12:23:24] <rmatte> well, I don't know if it's a problem with Zenoss so much as with SNMP on those devices
[12-Aug-2010 12:23:30] <rmatte> I assume you're using net-snmp?
[12-Aug-2010 12:23:51] <LarsN> rmatte: I didn't set the storage servers up, but I'm willing to bet the answer is yes.
[12-Aug-2010 12:24:00] <rmatte> yeh, probably is
[12-Aug-2010 12:24:17] <rmatte> I haven't had a chance to actually check the values via snmpwalk to see if it's reporting funky values or not
[12-Aug-2010 12:24:21] <mducharme-laptop> ok i think I've fixed it
[12-Aug-2010 12:24:25] <mducharme-laptop> how do I do a diff?
[12-Aug-2010 12:24:28] <mducharme-laptop> I've never done one before
[12-Aug-2010 12:24:39] <LarsN> rmatte: I can do that I suppose.
[12-Aug-2010 12:24:40] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: well, you'd need the older version of the file
[12-Aug-2010 12:24:52] <LarsN> rmatte: give me a couple minutes to see what I get :)
[12-Aug-2010 12:25:25] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: then you use the diff command
[12-Aug-2010 12:25:28] <rmatte> man diff
[12-Aug-2010 12:25:31] <mducharme-laptop> yes I have the older version
[12-Aug-2010 12:25:39] <mducharme-laptop> I put it in another directory so I could do a diff afterwards
[12-Aug-2010 12:25:40] <mducharme-laptop> ok
[12-Aug-2010 12:25:55] <rmatte> LarsN: k cool
[12-Aug-2010 12:28:43] <mducharme-laptop> oops there's still a minor glitch I have to fix
[12-Aug-2010 12:32:37] <rmatte> :)
[12-Aug-2010 12:35:02] <ssureshot> Is it possible to set the zPingMonitorIgnore on multiple devices at the same time? I've got about 40 printers and am not interested in setting the if I don't have to lol
[12-Aug-2010 12:35:23] <rmatte> ssureshot: set it on the class
[12-Aug-2010 12:35:37] <rmatte> anything set on a class is inherited by any devices in that class
[12-Aug-2010 12:35:53] <rmatte> so if you have /Printer/HP /Printer/Lexmark and whatever you'd set it at the /Printer level
[12-Aug-2010 12:35:59] <rmatte> and it would be inherited by anything under that level
[12-Aug-2010 12:36:17] <ssureshot> ah roger that
[12-Aug-2010 12:37:39] <Orv> rmatte: That's good to know - thanks.
[12-Aug-2010 12:38:02] <rmatte> what, the inheritance thing?
[12-Aug-2010 12:38:25] <mducharme-laptop> oh!
[12-Aug-2010 12:38:31] <mducharme-laptop> I don't think it was those extra numbers
[12-Aug-2010 12:38:37] <mducharme-laptop> it's still no adding the default route
[12-Aug-2010 12:38:39] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: oh?
[12-Aug-2010 12:38:57] <mducharme-laptop> the default route has a netmask of 255.255.255.255 and it is configured to not add a route with that netmask
[12-Aug-2010 12:38:58] <rmatte> well, look at what else is different
[12-Aug-2010 12:39:08] <rmatte> I see
[12-Aug-2010 12:39:11] <mducharme-laptop> that's why it's not adding the default route
[12-Aug-2010 12:39:21] <mducharme-laptop> what netmask should the default route have?
[12-Aug-2010 12:39:21] <rmatte> wonder if that's done for a reason
[12-Aug-2010 12:39:38] <rmatte> default routes should have 0.0.0.0 netmask
[12-Aug-2010 12:39:51] <rmatte> as far as I recall
[12-Aug-2010 12:39:55] <mducharme-laptop> ok
[12-Aug-2010 12:40:00] <mducharme-laptop> this default route is the opposite
[12-Aug-2010 12:40:09] <rmatte> default 30.30.254.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0
[12-Aug-2010 12:40:11] <rmatte> yup
[12-Aug-2010 12:40:37] <Zoidberg_> great...
[12-Aug-2010 12:40:46] <Zoidberg_> rmatte: the isntall of 301 like flaked out on me
[12-Aug-2010 12:41:01] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: I guess they weren't aware that that was possible
[12-Aug-2010 12:41:12] <rmatte> Zoidberg_: define "flaked out"
[12-Aug-2010 12:41:25] <Zoidberg_> sitting at what looks like 100% for the last 5min
[12-Aug-2010 12:41:33] <rmatte> it's sitting at 99%
[12-Aug-2010 12:41:36] <rmatte> and that's normal
[12-Aug-2010 12:41:37] <rmatte> be patient
[12-Aug-2010 12:41:49] <Zoidberg_> hmph
[12-Aug-2010 12:41:56] <Zoidberg_> you humans, always looking down on us zoidbergs
[12-Aug-2010 12:42:00] <rmatte> lol
[12-Aug-2010 12:42:22] <ssureshot> rmatte: hmm I only have device template I guess I need to create a new one
[12-Aug-2010 12:42:27] <rmatte> wasn't aware that zoidberg was a whole race
[12-Aug-2010 12:42:43] <rmatte> ssureshot: in what?
[12-Aug-2010 12:43:16] <ssureshot> printer class
[12-Aug-2010 12:43:28] <rmatte> ssureshot: oh yeh, Zenoss core comes with very few templates by default
[12-Aug-2010 12:43:47] <rmatte> ssureshot: there's a printer ZenPack, don't think it's been tested with 3.0 though
[12-Aug-2010 12:44:09] <mducharme-laptop> ok
[12-Aug-2010 12:44:14] <rmatte> and there's no guarantee that it would work with every model of printer that you have
[12-Aug-2010 12:44:16] <mducharme-laptop> I've determined what is happening
[12-Aug-2010 12:44:19] <rmatte> you'd be better to just make your own
[12-Aug-2010 12:44:23] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: oh?
[12-Aug-2010 12:44:33] <ssureshot> rmatte: yeah I was advised not to use packs with 3.0 yet untill they are tested more
[12-Aug-2010 12:44:49] <rmatte> ssureshot: yeh, probably a good idea
[12-Aug-2010 12:44:56] <mducharme-laptop> it looks like the fortigate is inconsistent between snmp and the web interface
[12-Aug-2010 12:45:01] <mducharme-laptop> the default route netmask in the web interface shows as 0.0.0.0
[12-Aug-2010 12:45:02] <huslage> i've been handed a botched upgrade of zenoss wherein the person who did the upgrade failed to follow the release notes. now I'm getting "Error: no program specified; use -p or -C" when zeoctl tries to run.
[12-Aug-2010 12:45:09] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: ah
[12-Aug-2010 12:45:10] <mducharme-laptop> whe I pull it via snmp it pulls it as 255.255.255.255
[12-Aug-2010 12:45:17] <mducharme-laptop> using snmpwalk
[12-Aug-2010 12:45:24] <huslage> i've gone through the wiki and tickets and tried to fix it, but nothing seems to work
[12-Aug-2010 12:45:24] <mducharme-laptop> only for that one netmask
[12-Aug-2010 12:45:36] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: yeh, that's funky
[12-Aug-2010 12:45:37] <huslage> manually running it shows that the daemon crashes instantly
[12-Aug-2010 12:45:48] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: wonder if that's true with any devices other than fortigate
[12-Aug-2010 12:46:13] <mducharme-laptop> it looks like a glitch in the fortigate units themselves where if the netmask is 0.0.0.0 it changes it to 255.255.255.255
[12-Aug-2010 12:46:19] <mducharme-laptop> in the snmp pull
[12-Aug-2010 12:46:24] <rmatte> huslage: I'd run the upgrade again
[12-Aug-2010 12:46:31] <mducharme-laptop> the problem is that we have tons of these units and they are no longer being updated
[12-Aug-2010 12:46:37] <mducharme-laptop> so I can't log a ticket with fortinet to get it fixed
[12-Aug-2010 12:46:38] <rmatte> huslage: stack installer?
[12-Aug-2010 12:46:57] <huslage> no...core...the mysql server is on another machine
[12-Aug-2010 12:47:10] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: maybe you can add a fix to the plugin that only applies to fortigate devices
[12-Aug-2010 12:47:14] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: and submit it
[12-Aug-2010 12:47:29] <rmatte> huslage: no, stack installer is a type of installer
[12-Aug-2010 12:47:39] <rmatte> huslage: do you know what type of installer was used to install it?
[12-Aug-2010 12:48:07] <mducharme-laptop> there's one other thing I could do
[12-Aug-2010 12:48:20] <huslage> it was just the zenoss-core RPM
[12-Aug-2010 12:48:26] <mducharme-laptop> if om.id is 0.0.0.0 force the netmask to /0
[12-Aug-2010 12:48:27] <huslage> no installer, as far as i can tell.
[12-Aug-2010 12:48:31] <mducharme-laptop> regardless of the device type
[12-Aug-2010 12:48:53] <mducharme-laptop> because shouldn't the netmask always be /0 for that?
[12-Aug-2010 12:49:00] <rmatte> you mean if om.id is 255.255.255.255?
[12-Aug-2010 12:49:20] <huslage> the zenoss procs were running, but the GUI was throwing errors so i restarted it 'zenoss restart' and then i see this error
[12-Aug-2010 12:49:27] <rmatte> huslage: ah, rpm, ok
[12-Aug-2010 12:49:27] <mducharme-laptop> om.id is the ip address
[12-Aug-2010 12:49:30] <huslage> so maybe a dependency is messed up rmatte ?
[12-Aug-2010 12:49:35] <rmatte> huslage: try running the rpm install again?
[12-Aug-2010 12:49:37] <mducharme-laptop> om.netmask is the subnet mask
[12-Aug-2010 12:49:45] <huslage> yeah i did that too rmatte.
[12-Aug-2010 12:49:52] <mducharme-laptop> if the ip address that the route is to is 0.0.0.0, force the netmask to /0
[12-Aug-2010 12:49:53] <rmatte> huslage: no dice?
[12-Aug-2010 12:49:59] <huslage> nope. still the same error
[12-Aug-2010 12:50:02] <huslage> zeo won't start
[12-Aug-2010 12:50:09] <mducharme-laptop> do you see a problem with that?
[12-Aug-2010 12:50:12] <rmatte> what version of Zenoss?
[12-Aug-2010 12:50:45] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: not sure, the devs would be better to ask
[12-Aug-2010 12:51:23] <rmatte> huslage: was it an upgrade to Zenoss 3.0?
[12-Aug-2010 12:51:56] <huslage> rmatt: yeah from 2.5.x to 3.0.1.
[12-Aug-2010 12:52:16] <rmatte> huslage: do you know if the pre upgrade zenpack was installed and allowed to run through prior to the upgrade?
[12-Aug-2010 12:52:27] <huslage> rmatte: yeah it appears so
[12-Aug-2010 12:52:40] <rmatte> are there any errors in the zope log file?
[12-Aug-2010 12:52:46] <rmatte> in $ZENHOME/log
[12-Aug-2010 12:53:52] <huslage> rmatte: no zope.log, zeo.log has "2010-08-11T17:49:03 INFO root sleep 1 to avoid rapid restarts" and "2010-08-11T17:49:03 INFO root pid 9222: exit status 2; exiting now" a lot
[12-Aug-2010 12:54:07] <huslage> which is strange because i was starting it as zenoss
[12-Aug-2010 12:54:07] <rmatte> hhmmmm
[12-Aug-2010 12:54:27] <rmatte> huslage: try rebooting the server
[12-Aug-2010 12:54:31] <rmatte> then try starting it
[12-Aug-2010 12:54:43] <huslage> rmatte: really?! why would that be?
[12-Aug-2010 12:54:47] <rmatte> (trust me, I had to do this on a couple of my servers)
[12-Aug-2010 12:54:50] <rmatte> no idea
[12-Aug-2010 12:54:54] <huslage> screwy
[12-Aug-2010 12:54:55] <huslage> ok
[12-Aug-2010 12:54:58] <huslage> will try
[12-Aug-2010 12:55:01] <rmatte> k
[12-Aug-2010 13:01:06] <Zoidberg_> alright rmatte
[12-Aug-2010 13:01:10] <Zoidberg_> i've got 3.0.1 installed
[12-Aug-2010 13:01:14] <Zoidberg_> running slow as shit
[12-Aug-2010 13:02:27] <rmatte> yeh, the UI isn't the speediest thing in the world
[12-Aug-2010 13:02:47] <rmatte> though it shouldn't be running any worse than 3.0.0
[12-Aug-2010 13:02:55] <Simon4_> gack, failed to take a backup of test box after recataloging and before upgrading :(
[12-Aug-2010 13:03:09] <Simon4_> silly mistake, that
[12-Aug-2010 13:03:13] <rmatte> Simon4_: yup
[12-Aug-2010 13:03:56] <Simon4_> ah well.. can have anotehr go at getting the upgrade right in another 24 hours
[12-Aug-2010 13:07:19] <Simon4_> rmatte: do you know what the differences between the _remove() and _delObject() methods are?
[12-Aug-2010 13:07:19] <Zoidberg_> Crap
[12-Aug-2010 13:07:21] <Zoidberg_> rmatte: samet hing
[12-Aug-2010 13:07:24] <Zoidberg_> still showing up in URL as IP
[12-Aug-2010 13:07:44] <Simon4_> (just before I go for a source reading mission)
[12-Aug-2010 13:10:25] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[12-Aug-2010 13:10:36] <mducharme-laptop> the diff seemed not to paste properly into the ticket
[12-Aug-2010 13:10:39] <mducharme-laptop> it's gone and applied wiki formatting into it
[12-Aug-2010 13:16:14] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[12-Aug-2010 13:19:21] <rmatte> Simon4_: well, I know that _delObject deletes a database object in Zope
[12-Aug-2010 13:19:29] <rmatte> Simon4_: not sure what's different about _remove()
[12-Aug-2010 13:20:08] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: when you paste it put <pre> and </pre> before and after
[12-Aug-2010 13:20:12] <rmatte> that should format it correctly
[12-Aug-2010 13:20:29] <mducharme-laptop> I used the wiki option for code
[12-Aug-2010 13:20:38] <Zoidberg_> rmatte: what was that line you had me running to test the device value?
[12-Aug-2010 13:20:47] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: that usually doesn't work for some reason
[12-Aug-2010 13:20:49] <Zoidberg_> i dont remember, using web browser irc client too
[12-Aug-2010 13:21:35] <rmatte> actually I think it's <code> </code> possibly, I forget, been a while since I've done that in trac
[12-Aug-2010 13:21:46] <mducharme-laptop> it worked
[12-Aug-2010 13:21:48] <rmatte> k
[12-Aug-2010 13:22:02] <rmatte> Zoidberg_: oh...
[12-Aug-2010 13:22:12] <rmatte> d = dmd.Devices.findDevice('devicename')
[12-Aug-2010 13:22:17] <rmatte> you can also just do...
[12-Aug-2010 13:22:23] <rmatte> d = find('devicename')
[12-Aug-2010 13:22:29] <rmatte> then d.getDeviceName()
[12-Aug-2010 13:27:01] <Zoidberg`> here we go
[12-Aug-2010 13:27:06] <Zoidberg`> MacIrssi , very nice looking :)
[12-Aug-2010 13:27:46] <mray> Zoidberg`: I'm a fan of Adium beta for IRC
[12-Aug-2010 13:27:51] <mray> on the mac that is
[12-Aug-2010 13:27:55] <Zoidberg`> cool
[12-Aug-2010 13:27:59] <Zoidberg`> i use adium but not for irc
[12-Aug-2010 13:28:04] <Zoidberg`> never tried its irc client actually
[12-Aug-2010 13:28:08] * Simon4_ uses colloquy
[12-Aug-2010 13:28:23] Simon4_ is now known as Simon4
[12-Aug-2010 13:31:19] <rmatte> yeh, Colloquy looks like the nicest Mac IRC client
[12-Aug-2010 13:31:24] <rmatte> I use the iPhone version of it
[12-Aug-2010 13:31:34] <LarsN> I use irssi
[12-Aug-2010 13:31:50] <LarsN> with screen, on a server at the datacenter. Makes logging easier:)
[12-Aug-2010 13:32:04] <rmatte> well, I use BitchX with screen as well
[12-Aug-2010 13:32:08] <forsberg> mmmmmmmmmm irssi + znc
[12-Aug-2010 13:32:09] <forsberg> :P
[12-Aug-2010 13:32:09] <rmatte> several sessions
[12-Aug-2010 13:32:22] LarsN is now known as LarsN_Away
[12-Aug-2010 13:32:24] <Zoidberg`> ...
[12-Aug-2010 13:32:24] <Zoidberg`> rmatte
[12-Aug-2010 13:32:36] <Zoidberg`> is it ('device') or ("device")
[12-Aug-2010 13:32:46] <Zoidberg`> earlier you told me it was " now you used a '
[12-Aug-2010 13:33:04] <rmatte> doesn't matter
[12-Aug-2010 13:33:05] <rmatte> either work
[12-Aug-2010 13:34:33] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[12-Aug-2010 13:38:10] <Zoidberg`> alright
[12-Aug-2010 13:38:14] <Zoidberg`> device is still screwed up
[12-Aug-2010 13:38:31] <Zoidberg`> i cant deal with this
[12-Aug-2010 13:38:53] <Zoidberg`> i cant spend all my time trying to get network monitoring working, when its goal is supposed to be freeing up my time to do other things
[12-Aug-2010 13:38:56] <rmatte> sweet, someone is going to be forking ZipTie
[12-Aug-2010 13:39:00] <rmatte> http://code.google.com/p/ziptie-ng/
[12-Aug-2010 13:39:07] <rmatte> woot
[12-Aug-2010 13:39:25] <Zoidberg`> never heard of it
[12-Aug-2010 13:39:40] <rmatte> Zoidberg`: it's for config backup of network devices
[12-Aug-2010 13:39:43] <rmatte> we use it
[12-Aug-2010 13:39:50] <Zoidberg`> oh, cool
[12-Aug-2010 13:39:56] <Simon4> rmatte: better than rancid?
[12-Aug-2010 13:40:00] <rmatte> it was a really nice project until the company that was developing it got bought out and canned the open source portion of the project
[12-Aug-2010 13:40:01] <Zoidberg`> how about one that makes it so device names show up
[12-Aug-2010 13:40:10] <rmatte> Simon4: well, it actually has an interface
[12-Aug-2010 13:40:11] <Zoidberg`> instead of the IP address
[12-Aug-2010 13:40:46] <Zoidberg`> rmatte: is there a way for me to write to that device field from zendmd?
[12-Aug-2010 13:40:46] <rmatte> Zoidberg`: The problem with that issue is that I can't reproduce it, we need to figure out what the actual cause is
[12-Aug-2010 13:41:03] <Zoidberg`> rmatte: i understand that, i'm not complaining about the help i've gotten, you've been great
[12-Aug-2010 13:41:04] <rmatte> Zoidberg`: perhaps you could offer access to a Zenoss dev and have them take a look at it
[12-Aug-2010 13:41:14] <Zoidberg`> rmatte: like i said earlier, a dev can have at it
[12-Aug-2010 13:41:16] <rmatte> seems like a pretty serious bug
[12-Aug-2010 13:41:18] <Zoidberg`> i'll give them SSH
[12-Aug-2010 13:41:27] <Zoidberg`> i know me and Orv would be happy to have it fixed
[12-Aug-2010 13:41:40] <Zoidberg`> problem is finding a Dev
[12-Aug-2010 13:41:52] <rmatte> Zoidberg`: It's not as simple as just writing to that device field
[12-Aug-2010 13:42:01] <rmatte> Zoidberg`: I tried that and it didn't go well
[12-Aug-2010 13:42:21] <rmatte> Zoidberg`: there's a bunch of stuff that needs to be updated when renaming a device
[12-Aug-2010 13:42:39] <Zoidberg`> oh
[12-Aug-2010 13:42:49] <rmatte> I wish some devs were around today so that we could talk this out with them
[12-Aug-2010 13:43:00] <Zoidberg`> ones gotta be in here
[12-Aug-2010 13:43:11] <rmatte> I don't want to log a trac ticket yet since we have basically nothing to go on
[12-Aug-2010 13:43:12] <Zoidberg`> they probobly dont want to chime in and get dragged into this
[12-Aug-2010 13:43:20] <rmatte> and chances are it would just get closed out as non-reproducible
[12-Aug-2010 13:43:41] <rmatte> well, they'll get dragged in one way or another
[12-Aug-2010 13:43:41] <Zoidberg`> its alot easier than trying to fix somthing
[12-Aug-2010 13:43:42] <rmatte> lol
[12-Aug-2010 13:44:00] <Zoidberg`> microsoft does that too.
[12-Aug-2010 13:44:02] <rmatte> I've seen the bug twice, so it's obviously affecting more than just you
[12-Aug-2010 13:44:06] <rmatte> and it's a serious bug
[12-Aug-2010 13:44:13] <Zoidberg`> makes zenoss worthless in my casae
[12-Aug-2010 13:44:20] <rmatte> yup
[12-Aug-2010 13:44:22] <Zoidberg`> with 200 clients shit being pinged for uptime
[12-Aug-2010 13:44:31] <Zoidberg`> i cant just get an IP address that wont resolve to anything
[12-Aug-2010 13:45:10] <Zoidberg`> or anything useful that is :)
[12-Aug-2010 13:45:39] <rmatte> I want to see it fixed because I don't want to run across the issue myself at some point
[12-Aug-2010 13:46:19] <Zoidberg`> lol
[12-Aug-2010 13:46:21] <Zoidberg`> yeah its no fun to have
[12-Aug-2010 13:46:59] <rmatte> hmmm, I'll try to figure out where the code is for renaming
[12-Aug-2010 13:47:04] <rmatte> maybe I'll get a clue from that
[12-Aug-2010 13:47:31] <Zoidberg`> how would you even track that down?
[12-Aug-2010 13:48:20] <rmatte> with tact
[12-Aug-2010 13:48:40] <rmatte> found it methinks
[12-Aug-2010 13:49:05] <rmatte> $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel/Device.py
[12-Aug-2010 13:49:12] <rmatte> the renameDevice function
[12-Aug-2010 13:51:55] <rmatte> Zoidberg`: you still have zendmd open?
[12-Aug-2010 13:52:02] <rmatte> if not, open it, set the d variable as before
[12-Aug-2010 13:52:05] <rmatte> and do: d.title
[12-Aug-2010 13:52:09] <rmatte> tell me what you get
[12-Aug-2010 13:52:13] <Zoidberg`> kk
[12-Aug-2010 13:52:26] <Zoidberg`> title showsu p
[12-Aug-2010 13:52:28] <Zoidberg`> shows up*
[12-Aug-2010 13:52:34] <rmatte> as?
[12-Aug-2010 13:52:39] <Zoidberg`> correct?
[12-Aug-2010 13:52:41] <rmatte> the device name?
[12-Aug-2010 13:52:45] <Zoidberg`> yes
[12-Aug-2010 13:52:47] <Zoidberg`> the correct device name
[12-Aug-2010 13:52:52] <rmatte> so title shows up as the device name, but id is the IP?
[12-Aug-2010 13:53:01] <Zoidberg`> sounds right
[12-Aug-2010 13:53:14] <rmatte> I'm looking at the section of code that my be the culprit, let me read over this and see if I can figure it out.
[12-Aug-2010 13:53:18] <rmatte> may*
[12-Aug-2010 13:53:36] <Zoidberg`> :)
[12-Aug-2010 13:53:50] <cgibbons> what's the problem?
[12-Aug-2010 13:55:01] <rmatte> cgibbons: ok...
[12-Aug-2010 13:55:05] <huslage> rmatte: reboot did not fix it
[12-Aug-2010 13:55:11] <huslage> any other ideas?
[12-Aug-2010 13:55:14] <rmatte> when he renames a device, he can see the different name on the device page
[12-Aug-2010 13:55:24] <rmatte> but the name of the device doesn't actually change in terms of the id
[12-Aug-2010 13:55:28] <Zoidberg`> when i add a new device it does it too, rmatte
[12-Aug-2010 13:55:33] <rmatte> and the old name is still present in the path to the device in the URL as well
[12-Aug-2010 13:55:57] <rmatte> huslage: without zope starting and no decent log messages there's not much that I can think of remotely
[12-Aug-2010 13:55:58] <mducharme-laptop> dammit.. why are layer 3 dependencies not working to this device
[12-Aug-2010 13:56:01] <mducharme-laptop> all the routes are there
[12-Aug-2010 13:56:03] <mducharme-laptop> all the interfaces are there
[12-Aug-2010 13:56:24] <huslage> rmatte: was worried you'd say that :)
[12-Aug-2010 13:56:28] <rmatte> cgibbons: basically, the title is being changed, but not the actual id
[12-Aug-2010 13:56:44] <rmatte> huslage: sorry, but I don't have a lot to go on here...
[12-Aug-2010 13:56:45] <cgibbons> using the device rename menu option? 2.5.x or 3.0.x?
[12-Aug-2010 13:56:53] <Zoidberg`> 3.0.1
[12-Aug-2010 13:57:00] <rmatte> huslage: is it zopectl or zeoctl that isn't starting?
[12-Aug-2010 13:57:04] <Zoidberg`> everything worked on 2.5.2, upgraded to 3.0
[12-Aug-2010 13:57:08] <huslage> rmatte, zeoctl
[12-Aug-2010 13:57:08] <rmatte> cgibbons: 3.0
[12-Aug-2010 13:57:26] <rmatte> huslage: are you sure something isn't already using port 8080?
[12-Aug-2010 13:57:34] <huslage> nothing is on 8100 or 8080
[12-Aug-2010 13:57:39] <rmatte> hmmm
[12-Aug-2010 13:57:47] <Zoidberg`> cgibbons: i added over 50 new devices, using single add, named each, when they stop pining, the email shows the IP as the device name, so the emails are worthless
[12-Aug-2010 13:58:23] <cgibbons> hrm weird, rename worked fine here. wonder what more has to happen to trigger that bug.
[12-Aug-2010 13:58:36] <rmatte> cgibbons: it works fine here too
[12-Aug-2010 13:58:41] <huslage> rmatte: everything is starting except zeoctl. which is the strange part...i'm not sure why the other stuff doesn't die.
[12-Aug-2010 13:58:45] <rmatte> cgibbons: but Orv and Zoidberg` both have that issue
[12-Aug-2010 13:58:54] <Zoidberg`> i'll be right back within 5 min
[12-Aug-2010 13:59:00] <Zoidberg`> i'll give you SSH if you want to take a look
[12-Aug-2010 13:59:03] <rmatte> cgibbons: Zoidberg` is willing to give SSH access if you want to take a poke around
[12-Aug-2010 13:59:04] <cgibbons> how, exactly, are y'all doing it?
[12-Aug-2010 13:59:38] <rmatte> you mean are they using the menu option or the input field on the overview page?
[12-Aug-2010 14:00:24] <cgibbons> yeah
[12-Aug-2010 14:00:26] <cgibbons> or some other way
[12-Aug-2010 14:01:46] <mducharme-laptop> question for you guys
[12-Aug-2010 14:01:47] <mducharme-laptop> about layer 3 dependencies
[12-Aug-2010 14:02:00] <mducharme-laptop> is it OK for "next hop" to be (None)?
[12-Aug-2010 14:02:28] <mducharme-laptop> in my routes list for these devices for the "direct" connections, "next hop" is (None)
[12-Aug-2010 14:04:24] <Zoidberg`> i'm adding from webgui
[12-Aug-2010 14:04:27] <Zoidberg`> using single add
[12-Aug-2010 14:04:48] <rmatte> Zoidberg`: he's asking about how you're renaming it
[12-Aug-2010 14:04:53] <Zoidberg`> oh
[12-Aug-2010 14:04:56] <rmatte> Zoidberg`: are you using the menu item in the bottom left?
[12-Aug-2010 14:05:07] <rmatte> or are you modifying the name in the input field on the overview page and clicking save?
[12-Aug-2010 14:05:09] <Zoidberg`> i only renamed once, that wasnt the originall issue
[12-Aug-2010 14:05:21] <Zoidberg`> pulled up the device, theres a big edit field for device name,
[12-Aug-2010 14:05:22] <rmatte> well, the renaming is at the root of the issue here
[12-Aug-2010 14:05:27] <rmatte> so that's why we're starting there
[12-Aug-2010 14:05:28] <Zoidberg`> i did it there, then hit sve
[12-Aug-2010 14:05:35] <rmatte> ok
[12-Aug-2010 14:05:43] <rmatte> try it with the menu item in the bottom left instead
[12-Aug-2010 14:05:49] <rmatte> go to the device page
[12-Aug-2010 14:05:53] <rmatte> click on the gear in the bottom left
[12-Aug-2010 14:05:56] <rmatte> rename device
[12-Aug-2010 14:05:59] <rmatte> put the new device name in
[12-Aug-2010 14:06:00] <rmatte> save
[12-Aug-2010 14:07:42] <Zoidberg`> k one sec
[12-Aug-2010 14:07:43] <ashp> does anyone here run zenoss enterprise 3
[12-Aug-2010 14:07:50] <ashp> because uh, i think i may have fucked something up along the way here
[12-Aug-2010 14:07:58] <Simon4> ashp: I didn't know it was out?
[12-Aug-2010 14:07:59] <ashp> i notice it says Zenoss CORE in the top left
[12-Aug-2010 14:08:16] <ashp> I'm wondering if that's just a stock image tho
[12-Aug-2010 14:08:19] <ashp> Simon4: oh it is
[12-Aug-2010 14:08:28] * Simon4 goes lookin in the portal
[12-Aug-2010 14:08:35] <Zoidberg`> holy shit
[12-Aug-2010 14:08:38] <Zoidberg`> i think that worked
[12-Aug-2010 14:08:40] <Zoidberg`> URL changed
[12-Aug-2010 14:08:54] <cgibbons> the device title (what was changed before) should be used anywhere the end user can see the device, except for some debug log messages, etc. so why do you need the device name versus the title set, Zoidberg? (might be theoriginal issue versus the rename)
[12-Aug-2010 14:09:07] <Simon4> ashp: so it is :)
[12-Aug-2010 14:09:17] <Zoidberg`> cgibbons: i dont care which ti gives me
[12-Aug-2010 14:09:24] <ashp> Simon4: if you install it, let me know about that image :D
[12-Aug-2010 14:09:31] <Zoidberg`> but having the email from zenoss saying "OMFG PING DOWN <IP> <IP> doenst help me
[12-Aug-2010 14:09:36] <Zoidberg`> i have 200 clients wans being pinged
[12-Aug-2010 14:09:39] <Simon4> ashp: I'll have a go in 24 hours when zencatalog finishes again
[12-Aug-2010 14:09:46] <mducharme-laptop> ok something is definately screwy here
[12-Aug-2010 14:09:46] <Zoidberg`> i just need the named entry to show up :)
[12-Aug-2010 14:10:36] <ashp> argh i can't find where you set the root snmpcommunity to use for devices in 3.0
[12-Aug-2010 14:10:41] <ashp> i feel helplessly dumb in this
[12-Aug-2010 14:10:54] <Zoidberg`> however i dont want to change all of these manually
[12-Aug-2010 14:11:00] <Zoidberg`> lemme test in zedmd , one sec
[12-Aug-2010 14:14:02] <ashp> File "/opt/zenoss/Products/ZenModel/Device.py", line 1814, in collectDevice
[12-Aug-2010 14:14:02] <ashp> perfConf.collectDevice(self, setlog, REQUEST, generateEvents,
[12-Aug-2010 14:14:03] <ashp> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'collectDevice'
[12-Aug-2010 14:14:05] <ashp> oh god this is a bad day
[12-Aug-2010 14:14:08] <ashp> coffee time :(
[12-Aug-2010 14:14:55] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[12-Aug-2010 14:15:08] <mducharme-laptop> there has to be some way to prevent this code from trying to recurse forever
[12-Aug-2010 14:16:26] <Zoidberg`> yup
[12-Aug-2010 14:16:29] <mducharme-laptop> path = source.os.traceRoute(destination, [])
[12-Aug-2010 14:16:29] <Zoidberg`> that worked
[12-Aug-2010 14:16:42] <Zoidberg`> device at <typed name>
[12-Aug-2010 14:16:44] <mducharme-laptop> that traceRoute function simply tries to recurse forever
[12-Aug-2010 14:16:58] * Simon4 laughs at the code in zencatalog.py
[12-Aug-2010 14:16:59] <Simon4> except AttributeError:
[12-Aug-2010 14:16:59] <Simon4> # We don't care, yo
[12-Aug-2010 14:16:59] <Simon4> pass
[12-Aug-2010 14:19:13] <Zoidberg`> cgibbons: do you want SSH to take a look?
[12-Aug-2010 14:19:19] <Zoidberg`> adding new devices its still broke
[12-Aug-2010 14:19:26] <Zoidberg`> Orv: you here man
[12-Aug-2010 14:19:36] <cgibbons> explain
[12-Aug-2010 14:19:39] <cgibbons> broke how...
[12-Aug-2010 14:19:43] <mducharme-laptop> ok
[12-Aug-2010 14:19:49] <Zoidberg`> same as explained before
[12-Aug-2010 14:19:56] <Zoidberg`> the device name does NOT show up, the IP does instead
[12-Aug-2010 14:20:11] <Zoidberg`> in zedmd, in the emailed alerts %(device)s
[12-Aug-2010 14:20:22] <cgibbons> so you add a device and it gets saved as an IP address and not the device name?
[12-Aug-2010 14:20:23] <Zoidberg`> which makes all alerts worthless
[12-Aug-2010 14:20:29] <Zoidberg`> pretty much
[12-Aug-2010 14:20:33] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[12-Aug-2010 14:20:43] <Zoidberg`> i add them through single add, i put in the devices IP, and then name it to the right
[12-Aug-2010 14:20:47] <mducharme-laptop> this is a bit of a bug really
[12-Aug-2010 14:20:55] <Zoidberg`> the name shows up in webGUI, but not in the URL for the device, and not in any alerts
[12-Aug-2010 14:20:57] <mducharme-laptop> traceRoute should not just recurse forever willy-nilly
[12-Aug-2010 14:21:23] <cgibbons> and you have reverse DNS?
[12-Aug-2010 14:21:29] <mducharme-laptop> it would be easier to troubleshoot layer 3 dependencies if traceroute did not recurse forever
[12-Aug-2010 14:21:30] <cgibbons> it should be using the title regardles for emails
[12-Aug-2010 14:21:34] <Zoidberg`> [zenoss] 63.131.76.144 ip 63.131.76.144 is down
[12-Aug-2010 14:21:35] <arrrghhh> so i'm trying to backup my zenoss install with the zenbackup --save-mysql-access command, and it keeps skipping the events DB from what looks like a MySQL issue. it didn't have this issue yesterday...
[12-Aug-2010 14:21:48] <Zoidberg`> cgibbons: thats what i get, im not adding machines by hostname, its always by IP
[12-Aug-2010 14:22:09] <cgibbons> right, but discovery normally does a reverse lookup on the IP address to determine the device name, as part of discovery
[12-Aug-2010 14:22:15] <cgibbons> unless it can't get it, then it uses just the IP address
[12-Aug-2010 14:22:35] <Zoidberg`> i would agree with that beign the issue, except boxes i added back on 2.5.2 still hvae the device name i typed in
[12-Aug-2010 14:22:46] <Zoidberg`> stuff like "companyname hosted trixbox server"
[12-Aug-2010 14:22:57] <Zoidberg`> and when they break, i get emails with that as the device name
[12-Aug-2010 14:23:42] <rmatte> cgibbons: basically after he adds a device he can change the title property of the device by renaming, but the id property doesn't get changed
[12-Aug-2010 14:24:16] <cgibbons> yeah, and that's by design. but the alert should be using the title.
[12-Aug-2010 14:24:22] <cgibbons> if it's not, then that's a clearly a bug
[12-Aug-2010 14:24:28] <Zoidberg`> correct, and even having to rename seems retarded to me, if you're going to offer the ability to give it a friendly name. otherwise dont offer the field
[12-Aug-2010 14:24:31] LarsN_Away is now known as LarsN
[12-Aug-2010 14:27:03] <Zoidberg`> im still tinkering with this, if oyu ned me or want SSH to take a look for bug fixing, just let me know i'll change root and give you access
[12-Aug-2010 14:27:19] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[12-Aug-2010 14:28:19] <mducharme-laptop> I came across the problem in 2.5.2
[12-Aug-2010 14:28:33] <mducharme-laptop> I added a device with it's ip instead of it's hostname and renamed it after
[12-Aug-2010 14:28:41] <mducharme-laptop> but the rename didn't take in all places
[12-Aug-2010 14:28:43] <JonnyV> guys from version 2.x to 3.x could it be that the status and performance Monitors settings are in collectors and only performance localhost?
[12-Aug-2010 14:28:46] <mducharme-laptop> in some places it was still named with the ip
[12-Aug-2010 14:28:51] <mducharme-laptop> is that your issue?
[12-Aug-2010 14:28:58] <Zoidberg`> not really no
[12-Aug-2010 14:29:29] <Zoidberg`> mducharme-laptop: i'm adding devices by IP, and in the name field, its not taking and applying, so when emails go out the device name while i can see it in the webGUI its not actually being stored as such
[12-Aug-2010 14:29:57] <Zoidberg`> i'm not sure of the correct terminology for this, im being asked stuff like "is the id being stored as a device for a title"
[12-Aug-2010 14:30:05] <Zoidberg`> as far as im concerened the 3 are the same damn thing..
[12-Aug-2010 14:30:20] <Zoidberg`> all i know is on the wbgui when i add one i have a field for a name, and under the devices i see it in "device" field
[12-Aug-2010 14:30:23] <mducharme-laptop> the name is stored in multiple places for the device
[12-Aug-2010 14:30:24] <Zoidberg`> yet it doesnt actaully show up as such
[12-Aug-2010 14:30:38] <Simon4> sounds almost like someone's replaced "title or id" with "id" in the alerting code
[12-Aug-2010 14:31:51] <Zoidberg`> *shrug*
[12-Aug-2010 14:31:56] <Simon4> I just killed my 3.0 install so can't try things :/
[12-Aug-2010 14:32:29] <cgibbons> meanwhile, i can't even get an alert to fire off
[12-Aug-2010 14:32:30] <arrrghhh> so do you guys think 3.0.1 is worth going to? that's why i was trying to backup my 2.5.2 install but running into issues.
[12-Aug-2010 14:33:23] <Zoidberg`> lol cgibbons
[12-Aug-2010 14:33:29] <Zoidberg`> no
[12-Aug-2010 14:33:35] <Zoidberg`> arrrghhh: stay on 2.5 for now
[12-Aug-2010 14:33:50] <Simon4> arrrghhh: I suggest firing it up on a vm as a test upgrade
[12-Aug-2010 14:33:53] <arrrghhh> ha, should i wait for 3.1? :P
[12-Aug-2010 14:33:58] <arrrghhh> yea
[12-Aug-2010 14:34:04] <Simon4> then you can make a call as to what things in your environment cause issues or don't, etc
[12-Aug-2010 14:34:08] <Simon4> don't just jump into it
[12-Aug-2010 14:34:10] <arrrghhh> my 2.5.2 deployment isn't really in production yet so it's not a huge deal.
[12-Aug-2010 14:35:25] <cgibbons> so, indeed, the title is not being sent out in the alert.
[12-Aug-2010 14:35:39] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[12-Aug-2010 14:35:52] <Zoidberg`> cgibbons: i'm running around, if you want ssh just let me know mate
[12-Aug-2010 14:38:21] <rmatte> cgibbons: the id changes for me when I rename
[12-Aug-2010 14:38:25] <rmatte> cgibbons: so how is that by design?
[12-Aug-2010 14:38:42] <rmatte> cgibbons: the id always has changed on rename
[12-Aug-2010 14:39:07] <cgibbons> yes...
[12-Aug-2010 14:39:15] <rmatte> If it didn't none of my dynamic links that I have setup in our ticketing system would work because the id wouldn't correspond to the device name
[12-Aug-2010 14:39:52] <cgibbons> what I said was by design is the title property does not rename the device, but just changes the title.
[12-Aug-2010 14:40:05] <rmatte> ah, yeh
[12-Aug-2010 14:40:30] <rmatte> sorry
[12-Aug-2010 14:41:53] <ashp> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'collectDevice'
[12-Aug-2010 14:41:59] <ashp> Hmm, what is collectDevice supposed to be?
[12-Aug-2010 14:42:20] <rmatte> ohhhhhhh
[12-Aug-2010 14:42:22] <rmatte> wow
[12-Aug-2010 14:42:44] <rmatte> when I change the device name on the overview page it doesn't update the path, that's probably what the problem is...
[12-Aug-2010 14:43:04] <rmatte> that's a bit confusing as one would think that that would rename the device
[12-Aug-2010 14:43:25] <rmatte> Zoidberg`: have you tried using the rename function in the bottom left?
[12-Aug-2010 14:43:30] <Zoidberg`> yup
[12-Aug-2010 14:43:34] <rmatte> same result?
[12-Aug-2010 14:43:36] <Zoidberg`> rmatte: sorry you might have missed it
[12-Aug-2010 14:43:40] <Zoidberg`> no that fixes it
[12-Aug-2010 14:43:45] <Zoidberg`> URL changes, zendmd it changes
[12-Aug-2010 14:43:49] <rmatte> yeh, I got pulled away by a directory
[12-Aug-2010 14:43:51] <Zoidberg`> im waiting 5min for a ping event
[12-Aug-2010 14:43:51] <rmatte> director*
[12-Aug-2010 14:43:59] <Zoidberg`> in 5min i will get an email
[12-Aug-2010 14:44:02] <Zoidberg`> and we will see
[12-Aug-2010 14:44:23] <rmatte> cgibbons: the label for "Device Name:" should be renamed to "Device Title:" if that's the actual intention of that field
[12-Aug-2010 14:44:26] <mducharme-laptop> I think this is really why the layer 3 path support doesn't work very well
[12-Aug-2010 14:44:32] <rmatte> that is extremely confusing for new users
[12-Aug-2010 14:44:38] <Zoidberg`> i'm confused :)
[12-Aug-2010 14:44:42] <rmatte> I didn't even clue in to that, I assumed that was the same as performing a rename
[12-Aug-2010 14:44:56] <mducharme-laptop> the traceRoute funciton does not work
[12-Aug-2010 14:45:39] <mducharme-laptop> how can I turn on debug logging in zendmd
[12-Aug-2010 14:46:18] LarsN is now known as LarsN_Away
[12-Aug-2010 14:47:47] <mducharme-laptop> does anybody know?
[12-Aug-2010 14:48:09] <mducharme-laptop> the function traceRoute in OperatingSystem.py specifically
[12-Aug-2010 14:48:18] <mducharme-laptop> it has these log.debug() functions
[12-Aug-2010 14:48:26] <mducharme-laptop> I want to see those debug messages
[12-Aug-2010 14:48:34] <mducharme-laptop> zenoss thinks I have a routing loop somewhere, but I can't find it
[12-Aug-2010 14:48:42] <mducharme-laptop> everything looks fine
[12-Aug-2010 14:49:04] <mducharme-laptop> and I can't get output from the function as to where the routing loop is, because it ends up recursing forever until it hits the python limit
[12-Aug-2010 14:51:25] <Zoidberg`> :(
[12-Aug-2010 14:52:09] LarsN_Away is now known as LarsN
[12-Aug-2010 14:54:48] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: not sure, I'd imagine it would be the same as enabling debugging for any python script
[12-Aug-2010 14:55:03] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: after all, zendmd is a python shell
[12-Aug-2010 14:55:14] <mducharme-laptop> ahh right
[12-Aug-2010 14:55:31] <arrrghhh> rmatte, do you know why i'd be getting a "Zeo may not be available." error message when i try to backup zenoss?
[12-Aug-2010 14:55:44] <rmatte> arrrghhh: is zeoctl running?
[12-Aug-2010 14:55:49] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[12-Aug-2010 14:55:58] <mducharme-laptop> it doesn't let me type logseverity 10 at the prompt
[12-Aug-2010 14:56:04] <mducharme-laptop> it doesn't recognize that command
[12-Aug-2010 14:56:09] <rmatte> you probably need to do import logging
[12-Aug-2010 14:56:11] <rmatte> or something
[12-Aug-2010 14:56:14] <arrrghhh> rmatte, it says it is in the webui
[12-Aug-2010 14:56:18] <Simon4> mducharme-laptop: you could change log.debug to log.info (filthy hack)
[12-Aug-2010 14:56:20] <Simon4> then try it
[12-Aug-2010 14:56:25] <Simon4> info will hit the UI
[12-Aug-2010 14:56:43] <arrrghhh> weird thing is, it was able to backup the events db yesterday. i got this error a couple of times, but it would go away if i tried again. i figured it was related to this server being puny.
[12-Aug-2010 14:56:51] <arrrghhh> zeo timing out or whatever.
[12-Aug-2010 14:57:50] <rmatte> weird, maybe something to do with a port being blocked?
[12-Aug-2010 14:57:52] <rmatte> I'm not sure
[12-Aug-2010 14:57:59] <rmatte> is there anything in zeo.log?
[12-Aug-2010 14:58:02] <arrrghhh> i don't get why it worked yesterday intermittently
[12-Aug-2010 14:58:04] <arrrghhh> but today nothing.
[12-Aug-2010 14:58:05] <arrrghhh> 1 sec
[12-Aug-2010 14:58:41] <rmatte> Z2.log I think is the one
[12-Aug-2010 14:59:07] <mducharme-laptop> ahh thank you simon4
[12-Aug-2010 14:59:22] <rmatte> ah, there is zeo.log too
[12-Aug-2010 14:59:26] <rmatte> that's probably what you want
[12-Aug-2010 14:59:54] <arrrghhh> crap i think there's a permissions issue with /tmp
[12-Aug-2010 15:00:03] <rmatte> that would do it
[12-Aug-2010 15:00:04] <mducharme-laptop> ahh!
[12-Aug-2010 15:00:06] <mducharme-laptop> yes there is a loop
[12-Aug-2010 15:00:08] <arrrghhh> lol indeed
[12-Aug-2010 15:00:13] <mducharme-laptop> it is bouncing forever between lake st martin and toronto
[12-Aug-2010 15:00:20] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: fun fun
[12-Aug-2010 15:00:21] <Simon4> mducharme-laptop: poor thing ;)
[12-Aug-2010 15:00:29] <mducharme-laptop> it isn't a real routing loop
[12-Aug-2010 15:00:35] <mducharme-laptop> zenoss is stuck in a loop
[12-Aug-2010 15:02:56] <mducharme-laptop> in the event of it hitting the max recursion depth, it should break with an error message
[12-Aug-2010 15:03:46] <cgibbons> there's been a few bugs in the /networks tree for a while where that can happen. kells has been our guru for dealing with those, but dunno if you can sweettalk him into showing up here or not
[12-Aug-2010 15:04:48] <rmatte> or he could just patch it and submit the patch himself
[12-Aug-2010 15:04:59] <Simon4> cgibbons: it would be awesome to have a tool to clear out the /networks tree and then let the modeller rebuild it
[12-Aug-2010 15:05:01] <rmatte> which would probably get quicker results
[12-Aug-2010 15:05:02] <rmatte> :)
[12-Aug-2010 15:05:12] <Simon4> ours is a recursive mess also :
[12-Aug-2010 15:05:19] <cgibbons> yeah , really. you can maybe do that with a dmd script.
[12-Aug-2010 15:05:54] <cgibbons> but, you know, it woudn't be zenoss if you didn't have to be a janitor.
[12-Aug-2010 15:05:56] <Simon4> I tried just removing everything with zendmd, but it didn't end well so I'm guessing there are some relations to deal with also :)
[12-Aug-2010 15:08:43] <mducharme-laptop> it's these damn default routes
[12-Aug-2010 15:08:48] <mducharme-laptop> I'm going to turn these off
[12-Aug-2010 15:11:21] <mducharme-laptop> I had two default routes in fake routers going in opposite directions
[12-Aug-2010 15:11:38] <mducharme-laptop> that's where the loop was
[12-Aug-2010 15:11:43] <cgibbons> ugh
[12-Aug-2010 15:12:13] <mducharme-laptop> that was awkward to track down
[12-Aug-2010 15:12:44] <Zoidberg`> adfafs
[12-Aug-2010 15:12:52] <Zoidberg`> now this stupid thing thinks the host is still up
[12-Aug-2010 15:12:57] <Zoidberg`> when it hasnt been pingable for 20min
[12-Aug-2010 15:12:59] <Zoidberg`> wtf is going on
[12-Aug-2010 15:15:55] <mducharme-laptop> and, the main router does not have a route to this site
[12-Aug-2010 15:15:58] <mducharme-laptop> in reality it does
[12-Aug-2010 15:16:05] <mducharme-laptop> but zenoss has the wrong subnet mask on the route
[12-Aug-2010 15:18:59] <mducharme-laptop> aurgh!
[12-Aug-2010 15:19:02] <mducharme-laptop> i delete this route
[12-Aug-2010 15:19:08] <mducharme-laptop> and what does it do? it recreates it again as a /26
[12-Aug-2010 15:20:41] LarsN is now known as LarsN_Away
[12-Aug-2010 15:21:53] <Simon4> mducharme-laptop: you can change zproperties to tell zenoss to ignore indirect routes and other such things
[12-Aug-2010 15:21:59] <Simon4> maybe changing one of them will help neuter it
[12-Aug-2010 15:22:15] <cgibbons> nice
[12-Aug-2010 15:22:27] <mducharme-laptop> well what is happening is there is a big subnet divided into like 4 /26 subnets
[12-Aug-2010 15:22:38] <mducharme-laptop> and there is a single route in the core router that routes to all 4
[12-Aug-2010 15:22:49] * Simon4 nods
[12-Aug-2010 15:22:52] <mducharme-laptop> zenoss is misreading that as a /26 route instead of a /24 route
[12-Aug-2010 15:23:33] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[12-Aug-2010 15:23:42] <cgibbons> last time i saw that on a customer they had a whole bunch of devices with misconfigured netmasks and it eventually freaked out the /networks tree. but that freakout helped them find a bunch of devices that were misconfigured...
[12-Aug-2010 15:23:54] <cgibbons> but lame that it messes up the monitoring tool
[12-Aug-2010 15:24:13] <Simon4> I wonder if /Networks works better if you set up all the actual subnets you have before adding devices
[12-Aug-2010 15:24:54] <twm1010> When we make massive routing changes we tend to delete everything under /Networks and let it rebuild on nightly remodel
[12-Aug-2010 15:25:01] <Simon4> /Networks /172.23.0.0 /172.23.0.0 /172.23.0.0 /172.23.0.0 /172.23.0.0 /172.23.0.0 /172.23.0.0 /172.23.0.0 /172.23.0.0 /172.23.0.0
[12-Aug-2010 15:25:02] <Simon4> :D
[12-Aug-2010 15:26:10] <twm1010> later people!
[12-Aug-2010 15:29:42] <mducharme-laptop> it should be fine to use a single routing table entry to knock off multiple ones
[12-Aug-2010 15:31:30] <mducharme-laptop> there is zcollectonlyindirect and zcollectonlylocal and both those are already false
[12-Aug-2010 15:34:02] <mducharme-laptop> dammit.. even if I add the route manually it forces it changed to a /26
[12-Aug-2010 15:36:18] <mducharme-laptop> it's not going to be possible to get this working, I don't think
[12-Aug-2010 15:36:23] <mducharme-laptop> what's wrong with how its set up really?
[12-Aug-2010 15:36:45] <mducharme-laptop> I understand "why" zenoss is changing it
[12-Aug-2010 15:36:51] <mducharme-laptop> but it should just take the routes at face value
[12-Aug-2010 15:36:55] <mducharme-laptop> and not try to "change" them
[12-Aug-2010 15:37:02] <rmatte> agreed
[12-Aug-2010 15:37:14] <theacolyte> I need a good network discovery tool
[12-Aug-2010 15:37:52] <theacolyte> I'm wondering actually if I couldn't just use zenoss
[12-Aug-2010 15:38:31] <rmatte> theacolyte: you could try netdisco
[12-Aug-2010 15:38:44] <rmatte> if you're wanting to generate pretty pictures of your network
[12-Aug-2010 15:38:46] <theacolyte> ah I shold have been a bit more accurate
[12-Aug-2010 15:38:57] <theacolyte> network/server discovery
[12-Aug-2010 15:39:06] <rmatte> I see
[12-Aug-2010 15:39:15] <theacolyte> so WMI/SNMP
[12-Aug-2010 15:39:19] <rmatte> Zenoss' mapping is pretty weak
[12-Aug-2010 15:39:35] <theacolyte> an actual map I wouldn't care too much about asl ong as I had a database/sp[readsheet
[12-Aug-2010 15:39:46] <rmatte> impossible to get 1 big organized snapshot of everything
[12-Aug-2010 15:39:53] <rmatte> ah
[12-Aug-2010 15:40:04] <theacolyte> Inotherwords
[12-Aug-2010 15:40:18] <theacolyte> if you went into a place and didn't have any docuemtnation, how would you automate it
[12-Aug-2010 15:41:08] <rmatte> yeh, I've been looking for a tool like that myself, but I haven't found anything that does both network and servers
[12-Aug-2010 15:41:20] <rmatte> netdisco's the best I've found
[12-Aug-2010 15:41:20] <theacolyte> have one just for servers?
[12-Aug-2010 15:41:36] <rmatte> hmmm, I remember seeing 1 just for servers... I forget what it was called
[12-Aug-2010 15:42:33] <theacolyte> I may just need to do spiceworks
[12-Aug-2010 15:42:58] <rmatte> I think it was OCS Inventory
[12-Aug-2010 15:43:20] <rmatte> http://www.ocsinventory-ng.org/
[12-Aug-2010 15:43:20] <mducharme-laptop> something I hate about the network map in zenoss
[12-Aug-2010 15:43:44] <mducharme-laptop> is that it just shows all those clouds with ip numbers
[12-Aug-2010 15:43:46] <rmatte> Zenoss isn't layer 2 aware, so the network map isn't very useful
[12-Aug-2010 15:43:54] <rmatte> and yeh, that's annoying too
[12-Aug-2010 15:44:01] <mducharme-laptop> I have set descriptions for most of my networks
[12-Aug-2010 15:44:08] <mducharme-laptop> it would be nice to actually see the description text there
[12-Aug-2010 15:44:11] <mducharme-laptop> instead of just the numbe
[12-Aug-2010 15:44:12] <mducharme-laptop> r
[12-Aug-2010 15:44:32] <mducharme-laptop> that should not be too hard to accomplish with a bit of coding
[12-Aug-2010 15:44:53] <mducharme-laptop> and it would make the map much easier to navigate
[12-Aug-2010 15:45:51] <theacolyte> ocs is agent based :(
[12-Aug-2010 15:47:15] <mducharme-laptop> is there a way to hack into the database to force this thing to /24
[12-Aug-2010 15:47:28] <mducharme-laptop> and then I can just lock the route
[12-Aug-2010 15:48:34] <Simon4> mducharme-laptop: it's a twisty maze of network relations, all somewhat alike
[12-Aug-2010 15:48:43] <Simon4> from my experience anyway :/
[12-Aug-2010 15:49:20] <mducharme-laptop> if zenoss is parsing the ip/subnet mask like a regular router it should be able to figure out the /24 route
[12-Aug-2010 15:49:43] <Simon4> yeah, would be interesting to delve into that code
[12-Aug-2010 15:49:51] <Simon4> and find out just how smart it is
[12-Aug-2010 15:50:00] <Simon4> probably in the iproute modeller code
[12-Aug-2010 15:50:21] <ericenns> has anyone succesfully made a graph where the points have a different name then the datasource
[12-Aug-2010 15:50:21] <mducharme-laptop> I personally just want to get this out of the way and get back to coding the otrs integration
[12-Aug-2010 15:50:34] <mducharme-laptop> I've had to put that on hold because my coworkers were complaining about the dependencies not working
[12-Aug-2010 15:50:49] <mducharme-laptop> thus getting 10 emails when 1 device goes down
[12-Aug-2010 15:51:31] <rmatte> yeh, that's just something that we put up with
[12-Aug-2010 15:51:36] <rmatte> it would be nice if they did work
[12-Aug-2010 15:51:43] <mducharme-laptop> well it is sortof working for me
[12-Aug-2010 15:51:50] <rmatte> I'd really just like to see manual dependencies implemented
[12-Aug-2010 15:51:51] <mducharme-laptop> if only zenoss would read these subnet masks correctly
[12-Aug-2010 15:51:54] <rmatte> that would be good enough for us
[12-Aug-2010 15:52:20] <mducharme-laptop> yes, manual dependencies would be even better
[12-Aug-2010 15:52:24] <mducharme-laptop> we have some wireless bridges on our network
[12-Aug-2010 15:52:37] <mducharme-laptop> they do not route anything, but if the bridge is down, then the router wll be down
[12-Aug-2010 15:52:58] <mducharme-laptop> I can monitor the bridge, but I can't make the router dependent on the bridge, because it is on the same network
[12-Aug-2010 15:52:59] <rmatte> yeh, manual dependencies obviously aren't automated, but they are foolproof
[12-Aug-2010 15:53:20] * Simon4 might play with that again tomorrow, real work is boring :)
[12-Aug-2010 15:53:41] <rmatte> they also have to tie something in that forces the daemons to poll the higher levels devices first
[12-Aug-2010 15:53:56] <rmatte> so that you don't end up getting ping events for lower level devices before it has looked at the head end devices
[12-Aug-2010 15:54:26] <rmatte> or just have it ping everything out of sequence and then do some form of correlation at the end
[12-Aug-2010 15:54:31] <rmatte> which would probably be easier to implement
[12-Aug-2010 15:54:32] <Simon4> yeah, that bit is tricky, especially when you use parallel asynchronous collection
[12-Aug-2010 15:54:53] <Simon4> unless you receive the ping result, then block that thread waiting for results from parent devs
[12-Aug-2010 15:55:00] <rmatte> If it queued up all the pings then worked out what's related to what before creating events, that would work fine
[12-Aug-2010 15:55:22] <rmatte> Also, zenping should always be first to run, I hate getting SNMP Agent Down events followed by ping events
[12-Aug-2010 15:55:30] <rmatte> It would be nice to just get a ping event and that's it
[12-Aug-2010 15:55:39] <rmatte> those 2 changes would make a huge difference
[12-Aug-2010 15:57:31] <JonnyV_> guys i just add a monitor template from a zenpack to a new device class. The template is digmonitor and i created a class called dns and im putting all dns servers there. so the dig template will monitor all devices there
[12-Aug-2010 15:57:46] <JonnyV_> but it aint being inherited by the devices
[12-Aug-2010 15:57:53] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[12-Aug-2010 15:57:57] <mducharme-laptop> instead of doing manual dependencies
[12-Aug-2010 15:58:02] <mducharme-laptop> why not have a way of putting in layer 2 devices
[12-Aug-2010 15:58:08] <mducharme-laptop> I mean you can monitor the layer 2 devices
[12-Aug-2010 15:58:10] <Zoidberg`> cool
[12-Aug-2010 15:58:19] <Zoidberg`> zenperfwmi no such file or directory
[12-Aug-2010 15:58:20] <mducharme-laptop> and there are routes.. but why not have something like routes.. say "layer 2 connections"
[12-Aug-2010 15:58:24] <Zoidberg`> wow so now its randomly removing files
[12-Aug-2010 15:59:06] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: layer 2 dependencies have been a requested feature for ages.
[12-Aug-2010 15:59:23] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: I doubt it's ever going to be done, manual dependencies would be simpler to implement in the short run.
[12-Aug-2010 15:59:55] <mducharme-laptop> yes.. but with layer 2 dependencies it would be possible to create a layer 2 network map :)
[12-Aug-2010 16:00:09] <rmatte> true
[12-Aug-2010 16:00:14] <rmatte> but then that map needs to be coded as well
[12-Aug-2010 16:00:15] <rmatte> :P
[12-Aug-2010 16:00:35] <rmatte> I'm saying that manual dependencies is more bang for your buck
[12-Aug-2010 16:00:37] <rmatte> for the time being
[12-Aug-2010 16:00:58] <rmatte> They will be focussing on the reporting in 3.1 though
[12-Aug-2010 16:01:09] <Zoidberg`> christ on sale
[12-Aug-2010 16:01:12] <rmatte> I doubt dependencies are even on the list for the near future
[12-Aug-2010 16:01:19] <Zoidberg`> without any user intervetion 3.0 breaks its self more and more
[12-Aug-2010 16:01:26] <Zoidberg`> what the hell is the point of this product
[12-Aug-2010 16:01:35] <rmatte> Zoidberg`: what's broken now exactly?
[12-Aug-2010 16:02:09] <Zoidberg`> rmatte: now devices that have ping disabled in the firewall
[12-Aug-2010 16:02:11] <Zoidberg`> are showing as online
[12-Aug-2010 16:02:21] <Zoidberg`> and my wmiperf plugin apparently doesnt exist anymore
[12-Aug-2010 16:02:28] <rmatte> well hold up...
[12-Aug-2010 16:02:34] <Zoidberg`> i rebooted the server
[12-Aug-2010 16:02:35] <Zoidberg`> didnt fix it
[12-Aug-2010 16:02:47] <rmatte> you mean the firewall is blocking ping packets to those devices?
[12-Aug-2010 16:03:03] <Zoidberg`> meaning i disabled ping in a remote office that has /ping setup
[12-Aug-2010 16:03:16] <Zoidberg`> and zenoss could no longer ping it
[12-Aug-2010 16:03:19] <rmatte> zPingMonitorIgnore is false for them, yes?
[12-Aug-2010 16:03:41] <Zoidberg`> 1.) i didnt change the zproperty 2.) i dont kjnow where to change that in 3.0
[12-Aug-2010 16:04:00] <mray> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/7192
[12-Aug-2010 16:04:03] <rmatte> If you login to the server via ssh, become the Zenoss user
[12-Aug-2010 16:04:14] <rmatte> and then do: zenping run -v10 -d <device>
[12-Aug-2010 16:04:17] <rmatte> you might see why
[12-Aug-2010 16:05:20] <rmatte> mray: not sure if that's the same issue
[12-Aug-2010 16:05:23] <rmatte> doubt it
[12-Aug-2010 16:05:26] <mray> no, it's not
[12-Aug-2010 16:05:43] <rmatte> that is an interesting one though
[12-Aug-2010 16:05:53] <mray> we just had the defect review and I recalled seeing something about zenping for 3.0.2
[12-Aug-2010 16:05:59] <rmatte> ah
[12-Aug-2010 16:06:02] <Zoidberg`> rmatte:
[12-Aug-2010 16:06:10] <Zoidberg`> syntax error
[12-Aug-2010 16:06:13] <mray> 3.0.2 already has a bunch of tickets: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/report/6
[12-Aug-2010 16:06:26] <rmatte> Zoidberg`: fpaste.org the whole error?
[12-Aug-2010 16:06:37] <Zoidberg`> i cant copy and paste
[12-Aug-2010 16:06:53] <Zoidberg`> im on a mac, RDPed into a windows VM running vCenter, and i have console tab open in VI client
[12-Aug-2010 16:07:01] <Zoidberg`> however, its bad syntax with token (
[12-Aug-2010 16:07:14] <Zoidberg`> long story, just havent enabled ssh yet
[12-Aug-2010 16:07:15] <Zoidberg`> lol
[12-Aug-2010 16:07:28] <JonnyV_> hehe
[12-Aug-2010 16:07:28] <rmatte> well, I need a more specific message than that to be able to help
[12-Aug-2010 16:07:39] <Zoidberg`> what?
[12-Aug-2010 16:07:41] <Zoidberg`> thats all it says dude
[12-Aug-2010 16:07:47] <Zoidberg`> you gave me a line that is invalid
[12-Aug-2010 16:08:07] <rmatte> oh wait
[12-Aug-2010 16:08:15] <rmatte> did you not replace <device> with the name of your device?
[12-Aug-2010 16:08:20] <Zoidberg`> ..yes i did
[12-Aug-2010 16:08:22] <Zoidberg`> and it failed
[12-Aug-2010 16:08:24] <Zoidberg`> so i put " around it
[12-Aug-2010 16:08:30] <Zoidberg`> it failed for the same reason, so i tried '
[12-Aug-2010 16:08:34] <Zoidberg`> then i tried " without ()
[12-Aug-2010 16:08:43] <rmatte> ok, maybe zenping doesn't support -d
[12-Aug-2010 16:08:50] <rmatte> just do zenping run -v10
[12-Aug-2010 16:08:56] <Zoidberg`> against no device?
[12-Aug-2010 16:09:02] <rmatte> it'll just ping everything
[12-Aug-2010 16:09:12] <rmatte> watch for errors related to the devices you're having problems with
[12-Aug-2010 16:09:15] <Zoidberg`> lol alright
[12-Aug-2010 16:09:26] <Zoidberg`> thats fucking impossible
[12-Aug-2010 16:09:32] <Zoidberg`> it scrolled so fast, gimmie a min
[12-Aug-2010 16:09:32] <Zoidberg`> lol
[12-Aug-2010 16:09:37] <rmatte> perhaps enabling ssh would help :P
[12-Aug-2010 16:09:44] <Zoidberg`> i did
[12-Aug-2010 16:09:55] <Zoidberg`> of course it only shows IPs not names
[12-Aug-2010 16:10:18] <JonnyV_> is it possible to bind a monitoring template, from zenpack, to a classs and not to have to bind it to each existing device in that class?
[12-Aug-2010 16:10:54] <rmatte> JonnyV_: of course you can bind a template to a class
[12-Aug-2010 16:11:33] <JonnyV_> then im missing something cause devices are not inheriting the template
[12-Aug-2010 16:11:40] <rmatte> Zoidberg`: if you want to capture the output to a file...
[12-Aug-2010 16:11:45] <Zoidberg`> GOD DAMMIT
[12-Aug-2010 16:11:49] <Zoidberg`> can nothing go right today
[12-Aug-2010 16:11:52] <rmatte> zenping run -v10 2> capture.txt
[12-Aug-2010 16:12:01] <Zoidberg`> yeah i got it
[12-Aug-2010 16:12:04] <Zoidberg`> it fails
[12-Aug-2010 16:12:12] <rmatte> ?
[12-Aug-2010 16:12:28] <Zoidberg`> ?
[12-Aug-2010 16:12:33] <rmatte> what part fails?
[12-Aug-2010 16:12:36] <Zoidberg`> it fails the ping you told me to to 2 seconds ago?
[12-Aug-2010 16:13:10] <Zoidberg`> sorry mate i dunno what youer' asking me for
[12-Aug-2010 16:13:19] <rmatte> k, you're confusing me here man... I told you to run zenping run -v10 2> capture.txt
[12-Aug-2010 16:13:27] <rmatte> which should have output a bunch of stuff to capture.txt
[12-Aug-2010 16:13:34] <Zoidberg`> dude forget that
[12-Aug-2010 16:13:44] <Zoidberg`> the entire point of the ping was to see if it could hit this hos
[12-Aug-2010 16:13:45] <Zoidberg`> host
[12-Aug-2010 16:13:48] <Zoidberg`> and it CAN NOT hit the host
[12-Aug-2010 16:13:50] <Zoidberg`> it FAILS
[12-Aug-2010 16:14:03] <Zoidberg`> ping has been off for 1.5 hours now
[12-Aug-2010 16:14:08] <Zoidberg`> sure enough zenoss says its online
[12-Aug-2010 16:14:27] <rmatte> I know that, I'm asking you to run zenping in verbose mode to try and troubleshoot why zenping is seeing it as up
[12-Aug-2010 16:14:35] * Zoidberg` sighs
[12-Aug-2010 16:14:40] <Zoidberg`> read: it is NOT seeing it as up
[12-Aug-2010 16:14:48] <Zoidberg`> it is seeing it as DOWN
[12-Aug-2010 16:14:52] <rmatte> based on the output of zenping, yes?
[12-Aug-2010 16:15:05] <rmatte> or did you just do a "ping"?
[12-Aug-2010 16:16:08] <Zoidberg`> yes sir
[12-Aug-2010 16:16:11] <Zoidberg`> good news though rmatte
[12-Aug-2010 16:16:18] <Zoidberg`> when i changed device name from the bottom menu, and URL and such changed
[12-Aug-2010 16:16:22] <Zoidberg`> it fixes the email alerts too
[12-Aug-2010 16:16:33] <Zoidberg`> so, a work around right now is add a device, go in, rename it
[12-Aug-2010 16:16:38] <rmatte> Yeh, I saw that with my instance earlier
[12-Aug-2010 16:16:44] <Zoidberg`> :)
[12-Aug-2010 16:16:44] <mducharme-laptop> I'm glad I haven't gone up to 3.x yet :)
[12-Aug-2010 16:16:46] <rmatte> the top input field should be renamed to Device Title
[12-Aug-2010 16:16:48] <rmatte> it's confusing
[12-Aug-2010 16:16:52] <Zoidberg`> lol mducharme-laptop im ready to jump off a cliff
[12-Aug-2010 16:16:54] <Zoidberg`> rmatte: i agree
[12-Aug-2010 16:17:10] <rmatte> Zoidberg`: [05:12pm] <Zoidberg`> yes sir
[12-Aug-2010 16:17:19] <rmatte> yes sir, you ran the ping command or yes sir you ran zenping?
[12-Aug-2010 16:17:41] <Zoidberg`> zenping
[12-Aug-2010 16:17:42] <Zoidberg`> sorry
[12-Aug-2010 16:17:42] <rmatte> the reason I'm asking is that the ping command and zenping are quite different in the way that they do things, since zenping uses the twisted framework
[12-Aug-2010 16:17:43] <rmatte> k
[12-Aug-2010 16:17:46] <mducharme-laptop> ahh crap I still had the modeler in debug mode
[12-Aug-2010 16:17:56] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: floooooooooooooood
[12-Aug-2010 16:17:57] <rmatte> lol
[12-Aug-2010 16:18:22] <mducharme-laptop> it just started the scheduled remodel
[12-Aug-2010 16:18:28] <mducharme-laptop> that log file got big all of a sudden
[12-Aug-2010 16:18:30] <rmatte> Zoidberg`: did you have ping off at that particular site for more than 24 hours recently?
[12-Aug-2010 16:19:37] <rmatte> If you go to Advanced -> Collectors -> localhost there's a "Maximum Ping Failures" setting
[12-Aug-2010 16:19:44] <Zoidberg`> rmatte: i will cehck it now
[12-Aug-2010 16:19:45] <rmatte> by default it's set to a value of 24 hours
[12-Aug-2010 16:19:55] <Zoidberg`> however i cleared out all the events today
[12-Aug-2010 16:19:59] <rmatte> if a device is down for 24 hours, Zenoss completely stops monitoring it
[12-Aug-2010 16:20:06] <rmatte> and gives no indication that it has done so
[12-Aug-2010 16:20:06] <Zoidberg`> yeah thats not the case here
[12-Aug-2010 16:20:33] <rmatte> I'd recommend upping that setting to 99999999999 anyways
[12-Aug-2010 16:20:44] <rmatte> I've been trying to get them to make 0 disable it and make 0 the default but they haven't
[12-Aug-2010 16:21:35] <rmatte> after it stops monitoring the device the only way to get monitoring back is to remodel the device, or restart Zenoss
[12-Aug-2010 16:22:01] <rmatte> though you say you're seeing the pings attempted so that may not be it
[12-Aug-2010 16:22:57] <mducharme-laptop> I'm going to restart the zenoss server
[12-Aug-2010 16:23:08] <mducharme-laptop> amd hopefully maybe if I delete and readd the route it might be /24
[12-Aug-2010 16:24:44] <Zoidberg`> yeah im not sure yet
[12-Aug-2010 16:24:50] <Zoidberg`> im renaming every device by hand right nwo :(
[12-Aug-2010 16:24:52] <Zoidberg`> 50 down 150 to go
[12-Aug-2010 16:25:07] <Zoidberg`> you humans, always looking down on us zoidbergs
[12-Aug-2010 16:25:34] <ericenns> Anyone here good at making graphs with snmp data
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[13-Aug-2010 07:08:11] <Zoidberg`> good morning
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[13-Aug-2010 07:11:22] <Zoidberg`> so, someone tripped over my power cord to my new zenoss box i was building
[13-Aug-2010 07:11:26] <Zoidberg`> install was at 99%
[13-Aug-2010 07:11:39] <Zoidberg`> is there a way to like continue that, or redo the install?
[13-Aug-2010 07:11:43] <Zoidberg`> i was doing it from the .bin file
[13-Aug-2010 07:15:00] <Zoidberg`> or is the install hosed and i need to like, wipe the drive
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[13-Aug-2010 08:13:42] <arrrghhh> so 3.0.1 is snappier than 2.5.2 for me for sure, but the Google Maps portlet drags every browser i've tried to its knees after a minute or so.
[13-Aug-2010 08:14:35] <rmatte> I find it funny how some people say it's snappier, and some people say it's slower
[13-Aug-2010 08:14:42] <rmatte> I personally find it much slower than the 2.5.2 interface
[13-Aug-2010 08:14:50] <rmatte> maybe based on browser
[13-Aug-2010 08:23:01] <arrrghhh> hrm
[13-Aug-2010 08:23:13] <arrrghhh> 2.5.2 wasn't exactly slow - except for one thing
[13-Aug-2010 08:23:22] <arrrghhh> EVERY time i clicked on a device, it would take forever to bring it up.
[13-Aug-2010 08:23:37] <arrrghhh> basically everything else was OK. i just chalked it up to my crappy hardware
[13-Aug-2010 08:24:25] <arrrghhh> but 3.0.1 brings up devices just about as quickly as any other click, which is a big improvement for me. but that google maps portlet... after like 30 sec on the dashboard every browser just pegs a core of my processor and makes the browser unusable.
[13-Aug-2010 08:29:38] <rmatte> arrrghhh: nah, that's just a badly tuned MySQL database
[13-Aug-2010 08:29:51] <rmatte> when you click on a device Zenoss calculates availability for that device so that it can be displayed
[13-Aug-2010 08:30:05] <rmatte> and I don't think it was very good at caching the values
[13-Aug-2010 08:30:17] <arrrghhh> hrm. the 3.0.1 upgrade has sped up that process significantly.
[13-Aug-2010 08:30:20] <rmatte> calculating availability is intensive on the MySQL database
[13-Aug-2010 08:30:29] <rmatte> yeh, they must have improved the caching
[13-Aug-2010 08:30:37] <arrrghhh> that's cool.
[13-Aug-2010 08:30:41] <arrrghhh> but mah skynet is gone :P
[13-Aug-2010 08:30:48] <rmatte> ?
[13-Aug-2010 08:30:56] <arrrghhh> the google maps portlet?
[13-Aug-2010 08:31:44] <rmatte> how is it gone?
[13-Aug-2010 08:31:52] <arrrghhh> oh i had to remove it.
[13-Aug-2010 08:31:55] <rmatte> why?
[13-Aug-2010 08:31:58] <arrrghhh> did you not read my experience with it?
[13-Aug-2010 08:32:03] <rmatte> noop
[13-Aug-2010 08:32:07] <rmatte> not that I recall
[13-Aug-2010 08:32:15] <arrrghhh> it's right above your response to me :P
[13-Aug-2010 08:32:28] <rmatte> oh
[13-Aug-2010 08:32:30] <arrrghhh> " but that google maps portlet... after like 30 sec on the dashboard every browser just pegs a core of my processor and makes the browser unusable."
[13-Aug-2010 08:32:37] <rmatte> weird, I haven't noticed that issue
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[13-Aug-2010 08:32:41] <arrrghhh> IE, FF and chrome.
[13-Aug-2010 08:32:51] <rmatte> you should install firebug and see if you can figure out what's causing that exactly
[13-Aug-2010 08:32:56] <arrrghhh> i prefered chrome for 2.5.2...
[13-Aug-2010 08:33:07] <arrrghhh> ok
[13-Aug-2010 08:33:27] <rmatte> otherwise it won't get fixed
[13-Aug-2010 08:33:41] <Grizmawe> good afternoon - is it possible to remodel all devices in a location. Tried zenmodeler run --location <location> but no joy. Is there a list of valid options - the help doesnt specify...
[13-Aug-2010 08:33:45] <arrrghhh> no worries, i'm installing the extension.
[13-Aug-2010 08:34:17] <fragfutter> totaly off topic. I need a linux launcher. it should display just a set of icons. when you click one it hides itself, launches the program and waits until program is finished. Then it displays itself again. Any ideas?
[13-Aug-2010 08:34:42] <arrrghhh> fragfutter, uhm... not that i know of. launchy & gnomedo don't really do what you describe.
[13-Aug-2010 08:36:26] <arrrghhh> Grizmawe, hrm, i was thinking it would easily be done from the UI, but it doesn't seem that i can...
[13-Aug-2010 08:37:07] <arrrghhh> i actually don't see how you remodel from the new UI at all...
[13-Aug-2010 08:37:56] <Grizmawe> arrrghhh, no - cant bulk remodel from UI. could loop through devices using zendmd and then model individually i suppose.... will try
[13-Aug-2010 08:38:18] <arrrghhh> Grizmawe, it's easy to remodel *all* devices from the cli... ;)
[13-Aug-2010 08:39:01] <Grizmawe> arrrghhh, yes but that will take ages for 300 devices. want to do it by location....
[13-Aug-2010 08:39:20] <arrrghhh> i see. yea, like i said i thought it would be easily done from the UI, but i can't figure it out.
[13-Aug-2010 08:39:50] <arrrghhh> rmatte, ok i have firebug installed and running and just added the GM portlet back
[13-Aug-2010 08:41:35] <arrrghhh> problem is firebug doesn't seem to sandbox it self separate of FF (I don't think it can) and it freezes along with the browser. it's happened again, FF has one core pegged right now and the browser is completely unresponsive.
[13-Aug-2010 08:43:17] <arrrghhh> fortunately i have another core so the computer is still OK overall :D
[13-Aug-2010 08:45:07] <rmatte> ah
[13-Aug-2010 08:45:32] <rmatte> good to know because I use that view all the time
[13-Aug-2010 08:45:38] <rmatte> can you reproduce the issue on another computer?
[13-Aug-2010 08:46:28] <arrrghhh> haven't tried, 1 sec.
[13-Aug-2010 08:46:39] <arrrghhh> i have an ubuntu lappy here next to me, should be a perfect test.
[13-Aug-2010 08:47:56] <rmatte> cool
[13-Aug-2010 08:50:01] <arrrghhh> hrm
[13-Aug-2010 08:50:09] <arrrghhh> i wonder if this vlan doesn't have access to this box.
[13-Aug-2010 08:50:28] <arrrghhh> it's weird, i can ping it, but firefox in ubuntu on this other lappy doesn't want to connect to zenoss.
[13-Aug-2010 08:50:47] <rmatte> hmmmm
[13-Aug-2010 08:51:38] <arrrghhh> i'm installing nmap to see what i can see...
[13-Aug-2010 08:52:30] <arrrghhh> lol it says the 'host seems down'
[13-Aug-2010 08:52:54] <arrrghhh> it's frustrating that i can ping it tho. hrm.
[13-Aug-2010 08:53:03] <arrrghhh> i guess i'll try putting this machine on the same vlan.
[13-Aug-2010 08:53:49] <rmatte> k
[13-Aug-2010 08:54:00] <Zoidberg`> good morning
[13-Aug-2010 08:54:07] <rmatte> morning
[13-Aug-2010 09:00:39] <arrrghhh> ah that works now. i'm guessing that was by-design. damn network architect.
[13-Aug-2010 09:03:03] <arrrghhh> yea, same thing rmatte
[13-Aug-2010 09:03:14] <arrrghhh> 'cept it's worse, i'm assuming because i'm running this live from a usb key.
[13-Aug-2010 09:03:42] <arrrghhh> it doesn't even finish loading the map before the problems start
[13-Aug-2010 09:09:20] <rmatte> file it as a bug
[13-Aug-2010 09:09:27] <rmatte> how many locations are on your map?
[13-Aug-2010 09:09:28] <arrrghhh> yea, if i remove the portlet it goes back to normal.
[13-Aug-2010 09:09:33] <arrrghhh> 135 or so
[13-Aug-2010 09:09:37] <rmatte> k
[13-Aug-2010 09:09:41] <arrrghhh> doesn't even include our ATM's
[13-Aug-2010 09:09:47] <arrrghhh> since they're in a sub-location organizer
[13-Aug-2010 09:09:58] <rmatte> file it as a bug and hopefully they'll be able to reproduce/fix the issue
[13-Aug-2010 09:13:12] <rmatte> ummm, hmmm
[13-Aug-2010 09:13:23] <rmatte> is there no place to add/remove locations anymore?
[13-Aug-2010 09:13:41] <rmatte> oh nevermind
[13-Aug-2010 09:13:51] <rmatte> they have them grouped in with the other types of organizers
[13-Aug-2010 09:14:04] <arrrghhh> yea, it seems everything has migrated to "infrastructure.
[13-Aug-2010 09:14:08] <arrrghhh> "
[13-Aug-2010 09:14:32] <rmatte> well that's annoying...
[13-Aug-2010 09:14:44] <rmatte> if I add a location with a long name it gets it's own individual horizontal scrollbar
[13-Aug-2010 09:14:54] * rmatte cries
[13-Aug-2010 09:15:29] <arrrghhh> hahaha
[13-Aug-2010 09:15:45] <rmatte> oh, the entire locations section does
[13-Aug-2010 09:15:49] <arrrghhh> lol can i assign this ticket to matt? i'm sure he'd appreciate it.
[13-Aug-2010 09:15:55] <rmatte> nah
[13-Aug-2010 09:16:07] <rmatte> just pick the appropriate problem area
[13-Aug-2010 09:16:15] <rmatte> and it'll automatically be assigned to the appropriate developer
[13-Aug-2010 09:16:18] <arrrghhh> k
[13-Aug-2010 09:16:21] <arrrghhh> i wasn't really going to
[13-Aug-2010 09:16:26] <rmatte> I know
[13-Aug-2010 09:16:26] <rmatte> :P
[13-Aug-2010 09:16:37] <arrrghhh> i'd say this is a regression...
[13-Aug-2010 09:17:05] <arrrghhh> i can't pick 3.0.1 for the version
[13-Aug-2010 09:17:15] <arrrghhh> the newest it lets me choose is 3.0.0.... i guess i'll pick that.
[13-Aug-2010 09:17:27] <arrrghhh> in the description i mention it's 3.0.1 for the build #
[13-Aug-2010 09:18:11] <arrrghhh> says i'm forbidden when i try to create the ticket
[13-Aug-2010 09:18:16] <arrrghhh> i just logged in as zenoss/zenoss.
[13-Aug-2010 09:19:47] <arrrghhh> "TICKET_CREATE privileges are required to perform this operation"
[13-Aug-2010 09:22:42] <rmatte> that's odd
[13-Aug-2010 09:22:47] <rmatte> maybe someone was abusing the account
[13-Aug-2010 09:22:56] <rmatte> you really should just ask Matt for your own account
[13-Aug-2010 09:24:01] <arrrghhh> haha
[13-Aug-2010 09:24:07] <arrrghhh> not sure how many tickets i'm going to be submitted
[13-Aug-2010 09:24:09] <arrrghhh> submitting
[13-Aug-2010 09:24:43] <rmatte> if you're using Zenoss, a lot
[13-Aug-2010 09:24:48] <rmatte> I've submitted like 20 tickets by now
[13-Aug-2010 09:25:18] <rmatte> the more the merrier when it comes to bug testing
[13-Aug-2010 09:25:54] <arrrghhh> yea
[13-Aug-2010 09:26:07] <arrrghhh> it seems that after all this we may go with another product, unfortunately.
[13-Aug-2010 09:26:16] <arrrghhh> c'est la vie.
[13-Aug-2010 09:28:17] <rmatte> ah
[13-Aug-2010 09:28:31] <rmatte> which other product?
[13-Aug-2010 09:28:34] <Grizmawe> arrrghhh, you can bulk model devices in a location. use dmd to loop through devices in the location and then issue device.collectDevice()
[13-Aug-2010 09:28:39] <ericenns> has anyone made a zenpack on here before
[13-Aug-2010 09:28:48] <rmatte> ericenns: I have
[13-Aug-2010 09:29:04] <arrrghhh> Grizmawe, cool
[13-Aug-2010 09:29:10] <arrrghhh> rmatte, we're looking at orion.
[13-Aug-2010 09:29:16] <rmatte> arrrghhh: ewww
[13-Aug-2010 09:29:22] <rmatte> arrrghhh: we use that too, I hate it
[13-Aug-2010 09:29:27] <arrrghhh> no decisions have been made, and zenoss isn't out of the running by any means.
[13-Aug-2010 09:29:28] <arrrghhh> why
[13-Aug-2010 09:29:30] <arrrghhh> ?
[13-Aug-2010 09:29:33] <ericenns> ok well I am in the process of making one and wondering what goes in the zenmodeler part
[13-Aug-2010 09:29:42] <rmatte> arrrghhh: it doesn't inherit properties
[13-Aug-2010 09:29:53] <arrrghhh> hrm. can you elaborate?
[13-Aug-2010 09:29:54] <rmatte> arrrghhh: properties are individually set on every single device
[13-Aug-2010 09:29:59] <rmatte> for example...
[13-Aug-2010 09:30:13] <rmatte> in Zenoss you can apply a certain collector, or property to a whole class by changing it on the class itself
[13-Aug-2010 09:30:18] <rmatte> in Orion it's done device per device
[13-Aug-2010 09:30:35] <rmatte> they do have some bulk features to mass modify stuff, but you have to use the actual software GUI for that rather than the web gui
[13-Aug-2010 09:30:38] <rmatte> it's just a big hassle
[13-Aug-2010 09:30:47] <arrrghhh> hrm
[13-Aug-2010 09:30:48] <arrrghhh> weird
[13-Aug-2010 09:30:48] <rmatte> also, they have really really stupid design decisions in the web UI
[13-Aug-2010 09:30:51] <rmatte> for example...
[13-Aug-2010 09:30:59] <arrrghhh> yea, i wasn't a big fan that it's windows based either.
[13-Aug-2010 09:31:02] <rmatte> instead of having a dropdown that has True or False they have input fields
[13-Aug-2010 09:31:10] <rmatte> and you literally have to type "True" or "False" in
[13-Aug-2010 09:31:15] <rmatte> stupidest thing I've ever seen
[13-Aug-2010 09:31:30] <rmatte> the fact that it's windows based is another downside, waste of server resources
[13-Aug-2010 09:31:36] <arrrghhh> yea
[13-Aug-2010 09:31:42] <rmatte> you can run 2 times as many Linux VMs as windows VMs on the same hardware
[13-Aug-2010 09:31:49] <arrrghhh> my boss is a fan of that, because she can shove the management of the server off to someone else.
[13-Aug-2010 09:31:50] <rmatte> if not 3 times
[13-Aug-2010 09:32:24] <arrrghhh> (not many people here are very good at managing linux servers, so if we get a linux-based product i would be supporting it. if it's windows based, it goes to the core group.)
[13-Aug-2010 09:32:35] <rmatte> I just overall don't like it, enterprise Zenoss blows it away in my opinion
[13-Aug-2010 09:32:45] <rmatte> and Core isn't an enterprise product, so you can't really compare
[13-Aug-2010 09:32:47] <arrrghhh> yea, we'd definitely get enterprise zenoss
[13-Aug-2010 09:32:50] <rmatte> but it still holds it's own
[13-Aug-2010 09:32:52] <arrrghhh> can i get a trail of it?
[13-Aug-2010 09:32:55] <arrrghhh> trial
[13-Aug-2010 09:32:59] <arrrghhh> lol
[13-Aug-2010 09:33:02] <rmatte> yes
[13-Aug-2010 09:33:03] <rmatte> you can
[13-Aug-2010 09:33:12] <rmatte> go to the website and request a trial
[13-Aug-2010 09:33:29] <rmatte> also...
[13-Aug-2010 09:33:30] <rmatte> http://www.zenoss.com/forms/test-drive
[13-Aug-2010 09:33:31] <arrrghhh> the other thing we liked about orion is our network authority product is getting out of control with their pricing, and we'd like to have something that manages that as well.
[13-Aug-2010 09:33:36] <rmatte> go there and just throw your email address in
[13-Aug-2010 09:33:42] <rmatte> it'll toss you in to a live demo of enterprise
[13-Aug-2010 09:33:49] <rmatte> you'll be able to see some of the added bells and whistles
[13-Aug-2010 09:34:18] <arrrghhh> the real benefit i was hoping orion would be good at is automatic discovery.
[13-Aug-2010 09:34:41] <rmatte> They might have a ZenPack that can do that
[13-Aug-2010 09:34:48] <rmatte> there's a ton of enterprise ZenPacks
[13-Aug-2010 09:35:03] <arrrghhh> well there's a built-in automatic discovery, i just can't seem to get it to work.
[13-Aug-2010 09:35:17] <arrrghhh> can i switch from core to enterprise or do i have to do a fresh install?
[13-Aug-2010 09:35:28] <rmatte> well, how did you install Core?
[13-Aug-2010 09:35:32] <arrrghhh> stack
[13-Aug-2010 09:35:35] <arrrghhh> same w/the upgrade
[13-Aug-2010 09:35:35] <rmatte> then yes, you can
[13-Aug-2010 09:35:35] <arrrghhh> stack
[13-Aug-2010 09:35:39] <arrrghhh> cool
[13-Aug-2010 09:36:18] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[13-Aug-2010 09:36:33] <rmatte> mray: ticket creation got disabled on the zenoss trac account?
[13-Aug-2010 09:36:36] <rmatte> was someone abusing it?
[13-Aug-2010 09:36:36] <arrrghhh> yea, the only benefit i see of going enterprise (for us) would be the support.
[13-Aug-2010 09:36:53] <rmatte> arrrghhh: the extra packs would benefit you
[13-Aug-2010 09:37:01] <arrrghhh> probably some
[13-Aug-2010 09:37:10] <rmatte> they have packs for almost anything lol
[13-Aug-2010 09:37:56] <arrrghhh> i wonder how long the trial is... 30 days?
[13-Aug-2010 09:38:04] <mray> rmatte: I'm unaware of that, lemme check
[13-Aug-2010 09:38:08] <rmatte> something like that
[13-Aug-2010 09:38:40] <arrrghhh> i'm hoping we stick with zenoss just because of the work i put into it.
[13-Aug-2010 09:39:01] <arrrghhh> i've grown accustomed to it, i like the interface compared to npm.
[13-Aug-2010 09:39:11] <rmatte> yeh, the interface is nice
[13-Aug-2010 09:39:17] <rmatte> for me the biggest thing is the transforms
[13-Aug-2010 09:39:21] <rmatte> i absolutely love them
[13-Aug-2010 09:39:32] <arrrghhh> but we really need something like NCM. fortunately that can run on its own, but some of their other products basically require you to purchase npm as well. freakin racket.
[13-Aug-2010 09:39:53] <rmatte> lol
[13-Aug-2010 09:40:26] <rmatte> hmmm, you actually get support from the Zenoss support team during the trial from what it says on the page
[13-Aug-2010 09:40:37] <arrrghhh> yea, most do that.
[13-Aug-2010 09:40:39] <rmatte> so I'm guessing the trial is more like a week
[13-Aug-2010 09:40:40] <rmatte> or something
[13-Aug-2010 09:40:42] <mray> without hitting commit, I'm able to create a new ticket as zenoss/zenoss
[13-Aug-2010 09:40:44] <arrrghhh> hrm
[13-Aug-2010 09:40:49] <rmatte> oh
[13-Aug-2010 09:40:53] <rmatte> arrrghhh: did you hit commit?
[13-Aug-2010 09:40:57] <arrrghhh> mray, when i tried to submit a ticket i got an error logged in as zenoss/zenoss
[13-Aug-2010 09:41:13] <arrrghhh> i hit "create ticket" and got the error. not sure what you mean by commit.
[13-Aug-2010 09:41:43] <arrrghhh> I get an "Error: Forbidden. TICKET_CREATE privileges are required to perform this operation" message when i click 'create ticket'
[13-Aug-2010 09:41:53] <rmatte> mray: they should upgrade the screenshots on the Zenoss trial request page
[13-Aug-2010 09:41:59] <arrrghhh> unless i'm just not logged in for whatever reason. i had been logged in...
[13-Aug-2010 09:42:02] <rmatte> mray: still shows the old interface
[13-Aug-2010 09:42:09] <st3v3o> how often is a wmi query made with the wmi datasource zenpack ..does anyone know ?
[13-Aug-2010 09:42:12] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[13-Aug-2010 09:42:23] <rmatte> st3v3o: every 5 minutes, just like snmp
[13-Aug-2010 09:42:58] <mray> arrrghhh: does it say "logged in as zenoss" at the top?
[13-Aug-2010 09:43:13] <st3v3o> cool thanks…no way to modify that ?
[13-Aug-2010 09:43:13] <arrrghhh> it's weird, on the ticket creation page it says i'm logged in. when i hit create ticket, it throws the error, and changes to a login link instead of logout.
[13-Aug-2010 09:43:40] <arrrghhh> i hit refresh and made sure i was still logged in.
[13-Aug-2010 09:43:48] <arrrghhh> had to create the ticket again, but i copied the description.
[13-Aug-2010 09:45:12] <Zoidberg`> oh my goodness
[13-Aug-2010 09:45:16] <mray> arrrghhh: if it doesn't clear up I'll escalate it to IT
[13-Aug-2010 09:45:18] <Zoidberg`> anyone here good with exchange 2003 lol
[13-Aug-2010 09:45:35] <Zoidberg`> windows-server wasnt any help, i was told im bad at my job, told the guy he was a dick, and i got muted
[13-Aug-2010 09:46:02] <Zoidberg`> st3v3o: you can change it
[13-Aug-2010 09:46:03] <arrrghhh> mray, no worries. having an issue with the google maps portlet, it brings basically any browser to its knees in 3.0.1. other things are much snappier tho :D
[13-Aug-2010 09:46:20] <st3v3o> zoidberg…where is that nob
[13-Aug-2010 09:46:36] <Zoidberg`> st3v3o: go under advanced > collectors > open the collector > edit
[13-Aug-2010 09:46:39] <Zoidberg`> lol. it got moved :D
[13-Aug-2010 09:47:35] <mray> I encourage everyone running 3.0.1 to apply this patch listed in the release notes: docs/DOC-7798#d0e422
[13-Aug-2010 09:47:50] <mray> makes for a much snappier Infrastructure page
[13-Aug-2010 09:48:32] <st3v3o> …where is that advanced menu
[13-Aug-2010 09:49:08] <Zoidberg`> st3v3o: at the very top, all the way to right, if you're running 3.0
[13-Aug-2010 09:49:21] <st3v3o> still on 2.5.x
[13-Aug-2010 09:49:41] <arrrghhh> st3v3o, then you don't have advanced. collectors is on the left, near the bottom.
[13-Aug-2010 09:49:55] <st3v3o> ok under managemetn
[13-Aug-2010 09:50:01] <st3v3o> thats what I though it was
[13-Aug-2010 09:50:03] <arrrghhh> i believe so
[13-Aug-2010 09:50:13] <arrrghhh> the link that says 'collectors' haha
[13-Aug-2010 09:51:06] <Zoidberg`> oh my bad steve i figured you were on 3 since you couldnt find it lol
[13-Aug-2010 09:51:32] <st3v3o> no worries...
[13-Aug-2010 09:52:59] <Zoidberg`> you humans...
[13-Aug-2010 09:53:04] <Zoidberg`> always looking down on us zoidbergs
[13-Aug-2010 09:53:32] <arrrghhh> mray, i know this it outside of the scope of zenoss, but in trying to install that patch the server has to access the internet. i need to pipe it thru a proxy, i've set it up in /etc/sysconfig/proxy, is there a service i need to restart to get it to work? this is a SLES10 box.
[13-Aug-2010 09:53:33] <st3v3o> hmmm I see an SNMP Performance Cycle Interval
[13-Aug-2010 09:53:39] <st3v3o> …but don't see any WMI
[13-Aug-2010 09:53:51] <st3v3o> just batch size and query time out
[13-Aug-2010 09:55:49] <st3v3o> i think I have the wrong wmi query anyway
[13-Aug-2010 10:00:01] <arrrghhh> hrm. it seems curl wasn't able to download it, but it still applied the patch...?
[13-Aug-2010 10:03:46] <rmatte> arrrghhh: if it says it applied it then it did, sometimes you'll see some error when running zenpatch, no biggie
[13-Aug-2010 10:04:03] <arrrghhh> rmatte, i just don't think this box has internet access.
[13-Aug-2010 10:04:20] <arrrghhh> we have to pipe all http traffic thru a proxy or else it won't make it out.
[13-Aug-2010 10:04:33] <rmatte> well, when you try to run zenpatch again does it give you a y/n prompt to reverse the patch?
[13-Aug-2010 10:04:36] <rmatte> if so then it's patched
[13-Aug-2010 10:04:56] <arrrghhh> just run it without any arguments, or run it like i'm trying to install the patch?
[13-Aug-2010 10:05:06] <rmatte> like you're trying to install the patch
[13-Aug-2010 10:05:17] <arrrghhh> first thing - "Getting patch from internet..."
[13-Aug-2010 10:05:24] <arrrghhh> so i'd assume no... haha
[13-Aug-2010 10:05:28] <rmatte> if you hit a prompt asking you if it should reverse the patch, then it's patched
[13-Aug-2010 10:05:52] <rmatte> if it runs through with no prompts the second time, it's not patched
[13-Aug-2010 10:08:17] <arrrghhh> yea, same deal
[13-Aug-2010 10:08:23] <arrrghhh> so can i download the patch and place it on the server?
[13-Aug-2010 10:08:30] <rmatte> yeh
[13-Aug-2010 10:09:09] <rmatte> but it in $ZENHOME/Products
[13-Aug-2010 10:09:13] <rmatte> and name it like...
[13-Aug-2010 10:09:21] <rmatte> r12345.patch
[13-Aug-2010 10:09:26] <rmatte> where 12345 is the patch number
[13-Aug-2010 10:09:37] <rmatte> then run zenpatch
[13-Aug-2010 10:10:01] <rmatte> but == put
[13-Aug-2010 10:38:12] <mray> sorry, I was away
[13-Aug-2010 10:38:22] <mray> arrrghhh: just look at the source for zenpatch, it's a simple script
[13-Aug-2010 10:38:36] <arrrghhh> indeed
[13-Aug-2010 10:38:45] <arrrghhh> i'll copy the patch over
[13-Aug-2010 10:40:46] <ashp> argh in 3.0 how do you set the snmp communities globally
[13-Aug-2010 10:40:49] <ashp> i can't find the option :(
[13-Aug-2010 10:46:47] <Orv> ashp: I've been wondering that, too.
[13-Aug-2010 10:47:05] <ashp> turns out what you do is click on a section in infrastructure
[13-Aug-2010 10:47:08] <ashp> like say, device or linux
[13-Aug-2010 10:47:22] <ashp> then click the DETAILS thing at the top
[13-Aug-2010 10:47:24] <ashp> and change it there
[13-Aug-2010 10:49:09] <ericenns> zenoss isn't using one of my modeler plugins
[13-Aug-2010 10:49:44] <mray> ericenns: make sure you bounce zenhub when modifying modelers
[13-Aug-2010 10:50:01] <ericenns> ashp: go to infrastructure then click detals and set it in configuration properties
[13-Aug-2010 10:50:18] <ericenns> mray: I restarted zenoss and still not doing that
[13-Aug-2010 10:50:42] <mray> ericenns: anything in the logs?
[13-Aug-2010 10:50:55] <Orv> ashp: Cool, thanks.
[13-Aug-2010 10:51:13] <ericenns> i ran zenmodeler run -d device -v 10 and it isn't showing my plugin name anywhere there
[13-Aug-2010 10:51:49] <mray> ericenns: I assume you added the modeler to the device?
[13-Aug-2010 10:52:10] <ericenns> correct i added it in modeler plugins for the device and saved
[13-Aug-2010 10:53:12] <mray> ericenns: all I can figure is there's something invalid in the source and it's not loading it, so it doesn't use it when modeling
[13-Aug-2010 10:53:30] <mray> try 'zenhub debug' to get more debugging
[13-Aug-2010 10:54:08] <ericenns> ok thanks
[13-Aug-2010 10:57:36] <ashp> Hmm, so my next thing is that everyone said "don't make subclasses like linux/apache, just use process monitoring'
[13-Aug-2010 10:57:49] <ashp> but I don't think there's a way to say 'hey if you detect apache as a process, add this template to the device' is there?
[13-Aug-2010 10:57:52] <ashp> as that's what i really want
[13-Aug-2010 10:58:22] <Simon4> ashp: no.. I'm lost as to why everyone said that also :)
[13-Aug-2010 10:58:34] * ashp cries
[13-Aug-2010 10:58:36] <Simon4> process monitoring != app monitoring using custom templates/datasoruces etc
[13-Aug-2010 10:58:46] <ashp> Simon4: So, back to my previous original question - can a device belong to two classes?
[13-Aug-2010 10:58:49] <Simon4> that or I'm also missing out on some awesome secret
[13-Aug-2010 10:58:51] <Simon4> ashp: no
[13-Aug-2010 10:58:53] <ashp> because some of my machines have apache AND mysql
[13-Aug-2010 10:59:00] <Simon4> you need a "apache and mysql" class I believe
[13-Aug-2010 10:59:02] <ashp> urgh so I have to make some kind of hideous monsterous mess, got you
[13-Aug-2010 10:59:03] <Simon4> it's what I do
[13-Aug-2010 10:59:09] <Simon4> it's that or...
[13-Aug-2010 10:59:26] <Simon4> you write a funky zendmd script that looks at the processes modelled on a device, and applies the tempates to the device itself, vs to the device class
[13-Aug-2010 10:59:31] <ashp> i hate that because then I end up with apache, mysql, apache-mysql, apache-ldap, mysql-ldap, apache-mysql-ldap or something like that
[13-Aug-2010 10:59:33] <Simon4> which I think is possibly more of a hack :D
[13-Aug-2010 10:59:48] <ashp> It's a shame you can't really hook into the process monitoring an attach a template to a match
[13-Aug-2010 10:59:50] <Simon4> but for what you're doing and with the combinations it may not be a bad idea
[13-Aug-2010 10:59:53] <ashp> as that would be the ideal way for doing this
[13-Aug-2010 11:00:03] <Simon4> it attaches a "process" template to the match, but that's less useful
[13-Aug-2010 11:00:15] <Simon4> miht be "OSProcess"
[13-Aug-2010 11:00:18] <Simon4> might be even
[13-Aug-2010 11:00:20] <ashp> i have to delete these devices and reimport them all anyway
[13-Aug-2010 11:00:25] <ashp> as i added them by ip and not by name
[13-Aug-2010 11:00:37] <ashp> and i guess there's no easy way to mass rename a set of devices :)
[13-Aug-2010 11:29:07] <rmatte> ashp: it can be done in zendmd
[13-Aug-2010 11:30:26] <rmatte> actually, I think you need to do a rest call to do the rename for some reason
[13-Aug-2010 11:31:04] <rmatte> I thought I had an example script on how to do it in zendmd but apparently not
[13-Aug-2010 11:34:13] <rmatte> I have to do it myself soon so I'll whip something up when I have time
[13-Aug-2010 11:36:45] <arrrghhh> mray, can you open a ticket for me? i guess it's not a big deal, i just miss my skynet.
[13-Aug-2010 11:38:26] <mray> arrrghhh: sure, email me whatever you want in it
[13-Aug-2010 11:38:36] <arrrghhh> mray@zenoss.com?
[13-Aug-2010 11:38:40] <mray> yup
[13-Aug-2010 11:38:43] <arrrghhh> k
[13-Aug-2010 11:40:31] <mray> The list of known-broken ZenPacks for 3.0 has been refreshed, much more manageable now: docs/DOC-5914
[13-Aug-2010 11:41:09] <mray> I've also made Python 2.6 versions of all the ZenPacks available for evaluation from http://dev.zenoss.org/zenpacks/
[13-Aug-2010 11:41:23] <arrrghhh> emailed.
[13-Aug-2010 11:42:59] <mray> what's the Summary?
[13-Aug-2010 11:43:11] <arrrghhh> oh
[13-Aug-2010 11:43:22] <arrrghhh> i just put in "Google Maps portlet brings browsers to their knees!
[13-Aug-2010 11:44:12] <mray> done
[13-Aug-2010 11:44:13] <mray> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/7205
[13-Aug-2010 11:44:17] * mray is off to lunch
[13-Aug-2010 11:44:24] <arrrghhh> excellent, thank you sir. enjoy your lunch.
[13-Aug-2010 11:48:08] <mducharme-laptop> I'm close to having layer 3 dependencies working for all devices...
[13-Aug-2010 11:48:23] <mducharme-laptop> only have a few stragglers where the dependency chain is not working yet
[13-Aug-2010 11:51:36] <mducharme-laptop> arrghhh is the problem still there where if you zoom in or out on the map, the mouseovers no longer work?
[13-Aug-2010 11:51:41] <mducharme-laptop> or was that fixed in 3.x
[13-Aug-2010 11:53:15] <arrrghhh> well the google maps portlet doesn't work in 3.x as far as i'm concerned.
[13-Aug-2010 11:53:30] <arrrghhh> it chokes my client machine no matter what browser i use, so i removed it.
[13-Aug-2010 11:54:03] <mducharme-laptop> I'm in 2.5.2 and that's the biggest problem for us with the google maps portlet is no mouseovers
[13-Aug-2010 11:54:24] <arrrghhh> yea, i noticed that issue in 2.5.2 as well.
[13-Aug-2010 11:54:36] <arrrghhh> can't really test in 3.x, like i said the google maps portlet is basically useless in 3.x.
[13-Aug-2010 11:57:19] <mducharme-laptop> I'm glad we held off on 3.x.. I'm quite happy sitting on 2.5.2 for now until some of the kinks get worked out
[13-Aug-2010 11:59:21] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: same here
[13-Aug-2010 12:03:55] <arrrghhh> lol yea, i was hoping 3.0.1 would have ironed out some of those bugs. guess i should've waited longer haha
[13-Aug-2010 12:06:30] <rmatte> I'm waiting until at least 3.0.2
[13-Aug-2010 12:06:32] <rmatte> if not 3.0.3
[13-Aug-2010 12:07:05] <arrrghhh> seems i should've waited until 3.1
[13-Aug-2010 12:07:10] <arrrghhh> instead of 3.0.1
[13-Aug-2010 12:08:27] <Orv> Hmmm.. Need some help with LDAP authentication in 3.0.1..
[13-Aug-2010 12:08:29] <rmatte> well, 3.1 is quite a ways off
[13-Aug-2010 12:08:33] <rmatte> that's like 6 months off
[13-Aug-2010 12:08:34] <rmatte> lol
[13-Aug-2010 12:08:52] <rmatte> Orv: I've yet to figure out how to configure LDAP in Zenoss 3.0
[13-Aug-2010 12:09:05] <rmatte> Orv: It's not the same as it was in 2.5/2.4/2.3
[13-Aug-2010 12:09:10] <Orv> LDAP MultiPlugin doesn't show up in the manage screen dropdown, although it's installed :-(
[13-Aug-2010 12:09:15] <Orv> rmatte: Wunnerful...
[13-Aug-2010 12:09:24] <rmatte> I don't even think it's called LDAP MultiPlugin anymore
[13-Aug-2010 12:09:28] <rmatte> I think it's called something else
[13-Aug-2010 12:09:41] <rmatte> the guide on the Zenoss site is basically obsolete now
[13-Aug-2010 12:09:57] <arrrghhh> i can wait
[13-Aug-2010 12:09:58] <arrrghhh> haha
[13-Aug-2010 12:10:18] <Orv> Oh, bitchin'.....
[13-Aug-2010 12:10:23] <rmatte> I think it's called "Domain Authentication Plugin"
[13-Aug-2010 12:10:26] <rmatte> not 100% sure though
[13-Aug-2010 12:11:12] <rmatte> actually, that's probably not it
[13-Aug-2010 12:11:25] <rmatte> They package the LDAP packages differently than they used to
[13-Aug-2010 12:11:35] <rmatte> so it's hard to tell exactly how to properly install them in to Zenoss
[13-Aug-2010 12:11:53] <arrrghhh> sounds like fun
[13-Aug-2010 12:12:05] <rmatte> Someone on the forum had mentioned that they had gotten it working, I sent them a message asking to explain the basic steps but they never did
[13-Aug-2010 12:13:02] <rmatte> it was themactech
[13-Aug-2010 12:13:29] <rmatte> message/50602
[13-Aug-2010 12:13:42] <rmatte> post there and bug him to explain how he did it
[13-Aug-2010 12:13:43] <rmatte> lol
[13-Aug-2010 12:13:47] <theacolyte> i've decided to try out splunk for what we were talking about yesterday
[13-Aug-2010 12:14:43] <theacolyte> err not splunk
[13-Aug-2010 12:14:45] <theacolyte> spiceworks
[13-Aug-2010 12:14:56] <arrrghhh> isn't that ad-driven?
[13-Aug-2010 12:15:34] <theacolyte> it is
[13-Aug-2010 12:16:18] <arrrghhh> yea for better or worse i basically ruled that one out for that reason.
[13-Aug-2010 12:18:23] <rmatte> spiceworks seems a little too driven towards the admin that doesn't really know what he's doing
[13-Aug-2010 12:18:27] <rmatte> fire and forget solution
[13-Aug-2010 12:18:49] <rmatte> it's an interesting approach, but I wouldn't use it
[13-Aug-2010 12:18:51] * rmatte shrugs
[13-Aug-2010 12:19:45] <rmatte> oooooh
[13-Aug-2010 12:19:47] <rmatte> message/51118
[13-Aug-2010 12:19:53] <rmatte> LDAP steps for 3.0
[13-Aug-2010 12:20:04] <rmatte> I'll try them out and type up a formal guide if it works
[13-Aug-2010 12:21:03] <Orv> rmatte: Bugging completed, per your suggestion
[13-Aug-2010 12:21:08] <Orv> Oh - just saw your post.
[13-Aug-2010 12:21:13] <rmatte> hehe
[13-Aug-2010 12:21:24] <rmatte> just noticed that he had actually posted the steps
[13-Aug-2010 12:21:28] <rmatte> I'm going to try them right now
[13-Aug-2010 12:23:00] * Orv stands by with bated breath.
[13-Aug-2010 12:23:20] <Orv> seems like more than a few people had problems with them.
[13-Aug-2010 12:24:01] <ericenns> I just install zenoss 3.0.1 for zenpack developemnet and I cant choose status for a new threshold
[13-Aug-2010 12:27:14] <Orv> rmatte: Hope you have better luck than I did. Must be doing something wrong...
[13-Aug-2010 12:27:15] <rmatte> ericenns: what do you mean by status?
[13-Aug-2010 12:27:26] <ericenns> statusthreshold
[13-Aug-2010 12:27:33] <ericenns> all that shows is minmax
[13-Aug-2010 12:28:06] <rmatte> ericenns: screenshot?
[13-Aug-2010 12:28:07] <ericenns> nermind working now
[13-Aug-2010 12:28:12] <rmatte> k
[13-Aug-2010 12:28:16] <tomvolek> hi, I just installed zenoss, how do i turn it off so at boot time, it wont start all the processes ?
[13-Aug-2010 12:28:29] <rmatte> tomvolek: did you install with the stack installer?
[13-Aug-2010 12:28:29] <ericenns> must have worked after a restart
[13-Aug-2010 12:28:49] <tomvolek> rmatte .. yes i did, it was one installer on Ubuntu
[13-Aug-2010 12:29:09] <rmatte> tomvolek: k, simple, move the file /etc/init.d/zenoss-stack somewhere
[13-Aug-2010 12:29:09] <tomvolek> i installed it for leanring purposes, on my personal laptop:)
[13-Aug-2010 12:29:10] <bigegor> ericenns: statusthreshold is part of docs/DOC-3452
[13-Aug-2010 12:29:16] <tomvolek> thanks
[13-Aug-2010 12:29:48] <ericenns> oh thanks bigegor
[13-Aug-2010 12:29:48] <rmatte> tomvolek: don't delete it since you'll need to execute it when you want to start zenoss
[13-Aug-2010 12:29:56] <rmatte> tomvolek: as "zenoss start" doesn't start MySQL
[13-Aug-2010 12:30:18] <rmatte> tomvolek: whenever you want to use zenoss just execute zenoss-stack as root
[13-Aug-2010 12:30:24] <rmatte> tomvolek: move it to /home/zenoss or something
[13-Aug-2010 12:30:24] <tomvolek> rmatte, sure, I wont, will move it to my home directory. I will actually install it on my server , thats where I need it most.
[13-Aug-2010 12:30:32] <rmatte> cool
[13-Aug-2010 12:31:10] <tomvolek> thanks very much, I am reading docs now :) was too excited when I found this software, so i ran the installer to see what it has ..
[13-Aug-2010 12:31:50] <tomvolek> rmatte, beside zenoss and nagios, what other software is usefull for big data centers ? I am tryign to leanr these for job search
[13-Aug-2010 12:33:09] <rmatte> tomvolek: well, look at groundworks, which is nagios based...
[13-Aug-2010 12:33:14] <rmatte> look at OpenNMS
[13-Aug-2010 12:33:35] <rmatte> tomvolek: though honestly, just learning one will take you a very long time
[13-Aug-2010 12:33:46] <rmatte> tomvolek: it took me a year and a half to be totally proficient with Zenoss
[13-Aug-2010 12:33:53] <tomvolek> is OpenNMS like HPOpenView ? HPOpen view is commercial and expensive
[13-Aug-2010 12:33:53] <arrrghhh> yea, and they all do some things well and other things not so well.
[13-Aug-2010 12:34:02] <tomvolek> wow
[13-Aug-2010 12:34:08] <rmatte> tomvolek: OpenNMS is open source
[13-Aug-2010 12:34:09] <rmatte> no, it's not
[13-Aug-2010 12:34:19] <rmatte> no relating to Open View
[13-Aug-2010 12:34:22] <rmatte> relation*
[13-Aug-2010 12:35:02] <rmatte> arrrghhh: I'm having problems just getting the LDAP modules to compile, if I can sort this out hopefully I can get this working.
[13-Aug-2010 12:35:12] <arrrghhh> ?
[13-Aug-2010 12:35:25] <tomvolek> I used to bug fix the SUN network management console when i used to work there many years ago. So I am hoping i can come up to speed quickly ... thanks for your help again
[13-Aug-2010 12:35:30] <rmatte> for the ldap plugins
[13-Aug-2010 12:35:40] <arrrghhh> i wasn't asking about ldap :P
[13-Aug-2010 12:35:46] <rmatte> oh, who was?
[13-Aug-2010 12:35:53] <rmatte> oh, Orv
[13-Aug-2010 12:35:56] <rmatte> Orv: http://fpaste.org/OkT1/
[13-Aug-2010 12:36:03] <rmatte> that's what I've run in to so far
[13-Aug-2010 12:36:04] <arrrghhh> yea, haha
[13-Aug-2010 12:36:15] <rmatte> need to figure out what it's complaining about before I can get it to build correctly
[13-Aug-2010 12:37:54] <rmatte> reminds me of my days with FreeBSD
[13-Aug-2010 12:38:01] <rmatte> spent more than half the time debugging compiles
[13-Aug-2010 12:38:02] <rmatte> :P
[13-Aug-2010 12:38:38] <Orv> Heh.
[13-Aug-2010 12:38:55] <Orv> rmatte: I didn't get past step 1. Couldn't find setup.py...
[13-Aug-2010 12:39:21] <rmatte> well for starters it's listing /usr/local/openldap-2.3 as an include directory
[13-Aug-2010 12:39:55] <Orv> my CentOS has 2.3.43-12...
[13-Aug-2010 12:41:06] <Orv> why don't I have setup.py in that directory? Hmmm..
[13-Aug-2010 12:42:12] <Orv> rmatte: I was trying to install LDAPMultiPlugins version 1.7...
[13-Aug-2010 12:42:34] <Orv> That's what I grabbed from the site; your verson is 1.12.
[13-Aug-2010 12:42:43] <Orv> So yours is newer? Where'd you get it?
[13-Aug-2010 12:51:48] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[13-Aug-2010 12:52:05] <mducharme-laptop> what is the best way of saying "if device x is decommissioned" in python
[13-Aug-2010 12:52:19] <mducharme-laptop> if device.status == "Decommissioned":
[13-Aug-2010 12:52:19] <mducharme-laptop> ?
[13-Aug-2010 12:52:34] <mducharme-laptop> or device.state I guess it woul dbe
[13-Aug-2010 13:05:11] <rmatte> Orv: yeh, you grabbed the wrong one
[13-Aug-2010 13:05:28] <rmatte> Orv: look at the site that you grabbed it from, there's a link to a newer site
[13-Aug-2010 13:07:07] <ashp> ha, talking of device status
[13-Aug-2010 13:07:10] <ashp> how do I add a new status
[13-Aug-2010 13:07:15] <ashp> I tried just editing the list in Advanced
[13-Aug-2010 13:08:14] <Orv> rmatte: Hey, you don't expect me to be able to read clearly on a Friday, do you??
[13-Aug-2010 13:08:17] <Orv> :-) Thanks.
[13-Aug-2010 13:10:20] <rmatte> :)
[13-Aug-2010 13:10:22] <rmatte> np
[13-Aug-2010 13:10:37] <rmatte> I'm on vacation next week by the way
[13-Aug-2010 13:10:43] <arrrghhh> oh no
[13-Aug-2010 13:10:44] <rmatte> just in case anyone wonders where I dissapeared to
[13-Aug-2010 13:10:47] <arrrghhh> you can't leave rmatte
[13-Aug-2010 13:11:22] <arrrghhh> no vaca for you :P
[13-Aug-2010 13:11:52] <Orv> rmatte: Cool - going anyplace interesting?
[13-Aug-2010 13:17:58] <mducharme-laptop> ahh figured it out
[13-Aug-2010 13:18:09] <Orv> rmatte: Hey, it looks like this LDAP install needs the ldap-devel library installed.
[13-Aug-2010 13:18:17] <mducharme-laptop> question for you guys
[13-Aug-2010 13:18:44] <mducharme-laptop> if we want our disco routers to send messages to zenoss (i.e. when a cable gets unplugged from a port), should that be done with syslog or with snmp traps?
[13-Aug-2010 13:18:46] <mducharme-laptop> er cisco
[13-Aug-2010 13:19:23] <mducharme-laptop> because it seems to me like syslog and snmp traps do the same thing, sorta
[13-Aug-2010 13:19:40] <mducharme-laptop> if we had both, we would probably get duplicate events in zenoss
[13-Aug-2010 13:19:44] <mducharme-laptop> so, which is best?
[13-Aug-2010 13:20:27] <mducharme-laptop> we use syslog right now with a php syslog server.. only because we didn't have something that handled snmp traps before
[13-Aug-2010 13:21:06] <rmatte> Orv: not really, just getting some R&R
[13-Aug-2010 13:21:28] <rmatte> I plan to spend quite a bit of time on the patios downtown
[13-Aug-2010 13:21:29] <Orv> rmatte: That's all good :-)
[13-Aug-2010 13:21:29] <rmatte> lol
[13-Aug-2010 13:21:49] <Orv> rmatte: Hey, with openldap-devel installed, I got a lot farther with the LDAP setup.
[13-Aug-2010 13:22:03] <rmatte> Orv: oh, thanks, I'll installed that and give it a shot
[13-Aug-2010 13:22:12] <rmatte> that makes sense, it would need those libraries to be able to compile it properly
[13-Aug-2010 13:22:39] LarsN_Away is now known as LarsN
[13-Aug-2010 13:22:50] <mducharme-laptop> what do you use rmatte?
[13-Aug-2010 13:23:13] <rmatte> hmmm, there is no openldap-devel in aptitude on this version of linux
[13-Aug-2010 13:23:18] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: hm?
[13-Aug-2010 13:23:24] <rmatte> use for what?
[13-Aug-2010 13:23:27] <ashp> hmm damn, maybe you can't add new production states, only relabel
[13-Aug-2010 13:23:38] <mducharme-laptop> oh the questoin I asked
[13-Aug-2010 13:23:40] <mducharme-laptop> heh
[13-Aug-2010 13:23:43] <mducharme-laptop> which is best?
[13-Aug-2010 13:23:45] <rmatte> ashp: yes, you can add new production states, not seeing them in the list is a bug
[13-Aug-2010 13:23:52] <ashp> no they appear in the list
[13-Aug-2010 13:23:54] <rmatte> ashp: and it's already been fixed for the 3.0.2 release
[13-Aug-2010 13:23:55] <ashp> they just aren't active
[13-Aug-2010 13:24:02] <ashp> ah ok, so i'll just wait for that
[13-Aug-2010 13:24:03] <rmatte> no, I mean in the dropdown
[13-Aug-2010 13:24:07] <rmatte> on the devices page
[13-Aug-2010 13:24:09] <rmatte> in the filters
[13-Aug-2010 13:24:10] <ashp> they appear in the dropdown
[13-Aug-2010 13:24:14] <ashp> oh, hmm, maybe not that bit
[13-Aug-2010 13:24:15] <rmatte> oh?
[13-Aug-2010 13:24:21] <ashp> i was trying to take a group of them
[13-Aug-2010 13:24:25] <ashp> and make them into 'development' state
[13-Aug-2010 13:24:34] <ashp> i went to advanced, added that in with 500 as the number
[13-Aug-2010 13:24:41] <rmatte> right
[13-Aug-2010 13:24:42] <ashp> when i click in actions to change state that label appears
[13-Aug-2010 13:24:45] <ashp> but you can't click it
[13-Aug-2010 13:24:57] <rmatte> hmmm
[13-Aug-2010 13:25:06] * rmatte checks
[13-Aug-2010 13:25:16] <rmatte> yeh
[13-Aug-2010 13:25:17] <rmatte> I know why
[13-Aug-2010 13:25:19] <ashp> you can click the ones either side, just not one you just define
[13-Aug-2010 13:25:25] <rmatte> you can't actually make it the same number as one that already exists
[13-Aug-2010 13:25:32] <rmatte> if you added it as 500 you have 2 as 500 now
[13-Aug-2010 13:25:32] <ashp> oh, hmm, 500 exists?
[13-Aug-2010 13:25:36] <ashp> ah, let me go look
[13-Aug-2010 13:25:40] <rmatte> Pre-Production:500
[13-Aug-2010 13:25:42] <ashp> OH, i'm blind
[13-Aug-2010 13:25:45] <rmatte> add it as 499
[13-Aug-2010 13:25:49] <mducharme-laptop> as in do you use syslog or do you use traps.. or do you use both
[13-Aug-2010 13:25:55] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: both
[13-Aug-2010 13:26:03] <mducharme-laptop> for the same device at the same time?
[13-Aug-2010 13:26:04] <ashp> ah, nice catch, the dropdown thing will be good to fix in 3.0.2 :)
[13-Aug-2010 13:26:06] <ashp> looking forward to it
[13-Aug-2010 13:26:09] <Orv> rmatte: After that, it looks like it's looking in the wrong place for a couiple of library files.
[13-Aug-2010 13:26:10] <rmatte> ashp: indeed
[13-Aug-2010 13:26:24] <rmatte> ashp: be aware that if you change them to that state now they will basically dissapear
[13-Aug-2010 13:26:28] <rmatte> you won't see them in any views
[13-Aug-2010 13:26:32] <rmatte> so you might want to wait on that
[13-Aug-2010 13:26:41] <mducharme-laptop> or do you use one or the other for a certain device
[13-Aug-2010 13:26:48] <ashp> yeah, i already changed them
[13-Aug-2010 13:26:50] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: sometimes for the same device yes
[13-Aug-2010 13:26:54] <ashp> but it's good because i really don't want to see them for now
[13-Aug-2010 13:26:58] <mducharme-laptop> don't you get duplicate events then, rmatte?
[13-Aug-2010 13:27:00] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: syslog shows some stuff that traps don't, and vice versa
[13-Aug-2010 13:27:02] <ashp> as they are all the stupid dev boxes that belong to individual developers
[13-Aug-2010 13:27:11] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: I intelligently tune out the dupes
[13-Aug-2010 13:27:19] <mducharme-laptop> ok
[13-Aug-2010 13:27:33] <rmatte> If I see dupes, I pick the most detailed, keep that, and tune the other out
[13-Aug-2010 13:27:44] <mducharme-laptop> I wish there was some easy way to mass change the snmp trap destination in all of our cisco routers and switches out there
[13-Aug-2010 13:28:00] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: there is, it's called an expect script
[13-Aug-2010 13:28:02] <rmatte> lol
[13-Aug-2010 13:28:10] <mducharme-laptop> expect script?
[13-Aug-2010 13:28:35] <rmatte> expect is a scripting language for linux, it's designed for doing stuff like automated telnet commands
[13-Aug-2010 13:28:48] <mducharme-laptop> ahh
[13-Aug-2010 13:28:53] <rmatte> hunt around on google, you can find some already written that do most of what you want, and then just modify them
[13-Aug-2010 13:29:06] <rmatte> your other option is to download and install ZipTie, then add all your devices in to it
[13-Aug-2010 13:29:13] <rmatte> it supports issuing commands on large numbers of devices
[13-Aug-2010 13:29:39] <rmatte> not sure if there are any download links left around...
[13-Aug-2010 13:32:25] <mducharme-laptop> does ziptie actually back up the full config like rancid?
[13-Aug-2010 13:33:51] <rmatte> yes
[13-Aug-2010 13:34:03] <rmatte> hold on, I'm moving files to my server
[13-Aug-2010 13:34:06] <rmatte> I'll throw you a link
[13-Aug-2010 13:34:11] <mducharme-laptop> I found it already
[13-Aug-2010 13:34:20] <rmatte> yeh but the links are probably broken to download it
[13-Aug-2010 13:35:37] <mducharme-laptop> it looks like it's called "Alterpoint NetworkAuthority Inventory" now
[13-Aug-2010 13:35:47] <arrrghhh> huh?
[13-Aug-2010 13:35:49] <arrrghhh> we use that.
[13-Aug-2010 13:36:49] <mducharme-laptop> what is the advantage/disadvantage to using that compared to RANCID
[13-Aug-2010 13:37:01] <mducharme-laptop> I don't see any zenpacks for integrating it
[13-Aug-2010 13:37:45] <arrrghhh> NetworkAuthority is a product from Alterpoint used to backup network gear.
[13-Aug-2010 13:38:41] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: http://dmon.org/downloads/ziptie/
[13-Aug-2010 13:38:50] <rmatte> voila, every ziptie file that I grabbed before they killed the site
[13-Aug-2010 13:39:24] <mducharme-laptop> hrm rmatte why would I not download networkauthority inventory
[13-Aug-2010 13:39:29] <mducharme-laptop> or is it no longer free
[13-Aug-2010 13:39:32] <arrrghhh> can i ask what you mean?
[13-Aug-2010 13:40:03] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: if you can find a download link go for it
[13-Aug-2010 13:40:23] <mducharme-laptop> http://inventory.alterpoint.com/filedownload
[13-Aug-2010 13:40:26] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: I don't use it because of the licensing, it can't be used to support clients external to a company
[13-Aug-2010 13:40:30] <rmatte> so it's useless for an MSP
[13-Aug-2010 13:40:36] <mducharme-laptop> ahh
[13-Aug-2010 13:40:39] <mducharme-laptop> gotcha
[13-Aug-2010 13:40:56] <rmatte> plus, the beta version listed on my site is basically networkauthority
[13-Aug-2010 13:41:02] <mducharme-laptop> I only need it to monitor configs on our internal routers
[13-Aug-2010 13:41:05] <rmatte> first version with the web interface
[13-Aug-2010 13:41:11] <mducharme-laptop> right
[13-Aug-2010 13:41:11] <rmatte> and I haven't found any issues with it yet
[13-Aug-2010 13:41:29] <mducharme-laptop> but I would imagine it is no longer being developed rmatte
[13-Aug-2010 13:42:06] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: it's not, someone is forking it though
[13-Aug-2010 13:42:24] <mducharme-laptop> ahh ok
[13-Aug-2010 13:42:29] <arrrghhh> huh interesting. so it's a zenpack that integrates network authority into zenoss?
[13-Aug-2010 13:42:31] <mducharme-laptop> do you have it integrated with zenoss at all?
[13-Aug-2010 13:42:46] <rmatte> brand new project: http://useopensource.blogspot.com/2009/09/is-ziptie-good-candidate-for-fork.html
[13-Aug-2010 13:42:49] <rmatte> oops
[13-Aug-2010 13:42:52] <rmatte> http://code.google.com/p/ziptie-ng/
[13-Aug-2010 13:42:58] <rmatte> no, it's not integrated with Zenoss
[13-Aug-2010 13:43:14] <rmatte> I manage them seperately
[13-Aug-2010 13:43:34] <arrrghhh> because we use network authority
[13-Aug-2010 13:43:36] <mducharme-laptop> ok
[13-Aug-2010 13:43:56] <rmatte> arrrghhh: no
[13-Aug-2010 13:44:18] <rmatte> arrrghhh: ziptie-ng is a fork of the original ziptie project
[13-Aug-2010 13:44:31] <rmatte> open soure community supported version, and I'm glad someone has stepped up to do it
[13-Aug-2010 13:44:43] <arrrghhh> but what does that have to do with alterpoint and network authority?
[13-Aug-2010 13:44:49] <rmatte> If they do well with it I will make a ZenPack for integration
[13-Aug-2010 13:44:52] <rmatte> since I really like ziptie
[13-Aug-2010 13:45:10] <rmatte> arrrghhh: lol, network authority is ziptie, just rebranded :P
[13-Aug-2010 13:45:16] <rmatte> it started out as an open source project
[13-Aug-2010 13:45:18] <arrrghhh> oh really?
[13-Aug-2010 13:45:22] <rmatte> then they closed sourced it
[13-Aug-2010 13:45:23] <rmatte> yes
[13-Aug-2010 13:45:34] <arrrghhh> yea, we use device auth, i like it... but the maintenance contracts are outrageous.
[13-Aug-2010 13:45:35] <rmatte> We actually use ZipTie here, not network authority
[13-Aug-2010 13:46:01] <arrrghhh> er network authority yea. they basically said their maintenance costs will increase 20% every year without fail.
[13-Aug-2010 13:46:40] <rmatte> they are owned by Trilogy now, which are the same company that bought out the MSP that I used to work for and then completely trashed/disintegrated it
[13-Aug-2010 13:46:46] <arrrghhh> nice
[13-Aug-2010 13:46:53] <arrrghhh> yea, we're trying to find a replacement for NA.
[13-Aug-2010 13:47:14] <rmatte> well, if ziptie-ng takes off that might be a feasible solution
[13-Aug-2010 13:47:23] <rmatte> it's obviously in early stages right now
[13-Aug-2010 13:47:37] <arrrghhh> hrm
[13-Aug-2010 13:49:11] <rmatte> Here's what the last version of ziptie that they released looks like: http://i34.tinypic.com/9az6gl.jpg
[13-Aug-2010 13:49:19] <rmatte> it was a beta, I'm in the process of testing it
[13-Aug-2010 13:49:36] <rmatte> the version that we do use actually has a client instead of a web interface
[13-Aug-2010 13:53:31] * rmatte is going to grab food, brb
[13-Aug-2010 14:04:04] <rmatte> back
[13-Aug-2010 14:06:27] <rmatte> but yeh, the NA licensing is annoying
[13-Aug-2010 14:06:31] <rmatte> (b) use the Software in any manner to provide service bureau, time-sharing or other computer services to third parties,
[13-Aug-2010 14:06:42] <rmatte> under 2. License Restrictions. Licensee may not:
[13-Aug-2010 14:19:16] <rmatte> hmmm, half of the stuff in the UI of the ziptie beta doesn't work
[13-Aug-2010 14:19:17] <rmatte> lame
[13-Aug-2010 14:20:07] <ashp> hmm, i guess some templates are not bindable in some places
[13-Aug-2010 14:20:16] <ashp> i was trying to replicate the device/tomcat under device/linux/tomcat
[13-Aug-2010 14:20:21] <ashp> but i can't find those templates to bind :(
[13-Aug-2010 14:20:46] <rmatte> that's because /device/tomcat isn't in the /device/linux path
[13-Aug-2010 14:20:59] <rmatte> it would need to be in /device to be visible in /device/linux/tomcat
[13-Aug-2010 14:21:45] <rmatte> so if you copy it to /device from /device/tomcat and then remove it from /device/tomcat, rebind it to /device/tomcat, it'll be visible in /device/linux/tomcat
[13-Aug-2010 14:21:56] <rmatte> or you could just straight copy the template over to /device/linux/tomcat
[13-Aug-2010 14:21:57] <rmatte> up to you
[13-Aug-2010 14:22:03] <ashp> i was trying to do that, copy the template over
[13-Aug-2010 14:22:08] <ashp> i just couldn't get it to happen
[13-Aug-2010 14:22:34] <rmatte> ?
[13-Aug-2010 14:22:38] <ashp> i was trying to drag it around to different locations but i guess you do it differently to that
[13-Aug-2010 14:22:44] <ashp> or do i have to copy the template elsewhere
[13-Aug-2010 14:22:50] <ashp> i'm just under devices in infrastructure
[13-Aug-2010 14:22:57] <rmatte> don't drag it
[13-Aug-2010 14:23:29] <rmatte> just go to Advanced -> Monitoring Templates
[13-Aug-2010 14:23:35] <rmatte> find it in there
[13-Aug-2010 14:23:39] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[13-Aug-2010 14:24:05] <ashp> ohhhhhhh
[13-Aug-2010 14:24:22] <rmatte> actually hmmm
[13-Aug-2010 14:24:26] <ashp> i see all the various tomcat things under there
[13-Aug-2010 14:24:28] <rmatte> might not be able to do it from there...
[13-Aug-2010 14:25:15] <rmatte> I'm not 100% with the new interface yet, one second, I'll figure this out
[13-Aug-2010 14:25:30] <ashp> yeah, all the stuff i google is for the old interface
[13-Aug-2010 14:26:08] <rmatte> yeh, copying a template was braindead simple in the old interface
[13-Aug-2010 14:26:17] <rmatte> If it's not buried it's missing in this mone
[13-Aug-2010 14:26:18] <rmatte> one*
[13-Aug-2010 14:26:41] <ashp> i'm going to go grab a coffee as this is giving me brain ache, everything is different :)
[13-Aug-2010 14:26:47] <rmatte> lol
[13-Aug-2010 14:27:33] * rmatte wonders if they actually removed the ability to copy a template
[13-Aug-2010 14:27:37] <rmatte> I'll be astonished if they did
[13-Aug-2010 14:28:18] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: it's not removed, it's just a pain in the ass
[13-Aug-2010 14:28:28] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: explain where it's at?
[13-Aug-2010 14:28:38] <rmatte> I've been hunting for it for 5 minutes now
[13-Aug-2010 14:28:41] <rmatte> still can't find it
[13-Aug-2010 14:29:27] <mrayzenoss> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/7121
[13-Aug-2010 14:29:37] <mrayzenoss> to copy a template, go to Advanced->
[13-Aug-2010 14:29:43] <rmatte> I'm in there
[13-Aug-2010 14:30:01] <mrayzenoss> Monitoring Templates
[13-Aug-2010 14:30:04] <mrayzenoss> find the one you want
[13-Aug-2010 14:30:11] <rmatte> got it
[13-Aug-2010 14:30:24] <mrayzenoss> ie. 'Device' defined under /Server
[13-Aug-2010 14:30:34] <rmatte> right
[13-Aug-2010 14:30:47] <mrayzenoss> then go to the gear at the bottom-left and select Override
[13-Aug-2010 14:30:58] <rmatte> that's to create a local copy isn't it?
[13-Aug-2010 14:31:03] <mrayzenoss> and pick where you want to copy it to
[13-Aug-2010 14:31:09] <mrayzenoss> oh, what were you asking for?
[13-Aug-2010 14:31:37] <rmatte> let's say I want to copy /Devices/Server/Linux/TemplateName to /Devices ?
[13-Aug-2010 14:31:48] <mrayzenoss> yeah, that's the workflow
[13-Aug-2010 14:31:58] <rmatte> in the old UI it was as simple as putting a check in the checkbox and then selecting copy to
[13-Aug-2010 14:32:01] <rmatte> picking a spot
[13-Aug-2010 14:32:04] <rmatte> and clicking ok
[13-Aug-2010 14:32:22] <mrayzenoss> yeah, that's why I opened the ticket
[13-Aug-2010 14:32:29] <rmatte> The term "Override" doesn't even make sense
[13-Aug-2010 14:32:30] <mrayzenoss> the workflow sucks
[13-Aug-2010 14:32:31] <rmatte> honestly
[13-Aug-2010 14:32:35] <rmatte> that's massively confusing
[13-Aug-2010 14:32:36] <rmatte> lol
[13-Aug-2010 14:32:50] <mrayzenoss> open a ticket for that, maybe we'll update it
[13-Aug-2010 14:32:54] <rmatte> yeh, I'd go insane if I had to develop a ZenPack with this interface
[13-Aug-2010 14:32:54] <mrayzenoss> Override==Copy
[13-Aug-2010 14:34:00] <rmatte> oh my god
[13-Aug-2010 14:34:15] <rmatte> the dropdown in the override doesn't just list locations
[13-Aug-2010 14:34:19] <rmatte> it lists templates and locations
[13-Aug-2010 14:34:26] <mrayzenoss> yeah, it's overly complicated
[13-Aug-2010 14:34:28] <rmatte> so apparently all you can do is copy 1 template over top of another?
[13-Aug-2010 14:34:34] <mrayzenoss> 3.0.2 is going to have a better workflow
[13-Aug-2010 14:34:46] <rmatte> I hope so, this is horrid lol
[13-Aug-2010 14:36:35] <rmatte> ashp: ok, so in short, they botched the copying functionality, and it should hopefully be fixed by 3.0.2
[13-Aug-2010 14:36:49] <mrayzenoss> it works, it's just non-intuitive
[13-Aug-2010 14:36:57] <rmatte> horribly non-intuitive
[13-Aug-2010 14:37:10] <rmatte> I still don't get why templates are listed in the dropdown
[13-Aug-2010 14:37:13] <rmatte> very very confusing
[13-Aug-2010 14:37:19] <ericenns> You can do it easier
[13-Aug-2010 14:37:32] <rmatte> ericenns: I know about doing it in ZMI
[13-Aug-2010 14:37:39] <rmatte> ericenns: if that's what you mean
[13-Aug-2010 14:37:52] <ericenns> just go to the device and under monitoring templates the click gear and override template here
[13-Aug-2010 14:38:08] <rmatte> ericenns: right, but that copies to the device itself
[13-Aug-2010 14:38:14] <rmatte> I'm talking about copying from class to class
[13-Aug-2010 14:38:26] <rmatte> I have a template in class A and I want it copied to class B
[13-Aug-2010 14:38:42] <ericenns> ok hmm
[13-Aug-2010 14:39:04] <ericenns> and that template is locally defined within that class?
[13-Aug-2010 14:39:09] <mrayzenoss> yeah, that's still over on Advanced->Monitoring Templates
[13-Aug-2010 14:39:12] <rmatte> correct
[13-Aug-2010 14:39:53] <rmatte> let's say you have a template locally defined within /Penguins/Love/Pasta and you want to copy it to /Koalas/Love/KFC
[13-Aug-2010 14:40:02] <rmatte> good luck
[13-Aug-2010 14:40:04] <rmatte> lol
[13-Aug-2010 14:40:52] <ericenns> haha ya
[13-Aug-2010 14:47:58] <arrrghhh> seems i should've stuck with 2.5.2 haha
[13-Aug-2010 14:48:09] <arrrghhh> oh well, so far the added snappiness is a nice addition.
[13-Aug-2010 14:50:01] <rmatte> nice
[13-Aug-2010 14:50:02] <rmatte> http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/7087#comment:3
[13-Aug-2010 14:50:12] <rmatte> they are finally going to add a loading dialog for the infrastructure page
[13-Aug-2010 14:50:14] <rmatte> drives me nuts
[13-Aug-2010 14:55:46] <ericenns> Do any of you know of a zenpack that changes the hw manufacturer for you
[13-Aug-2010 14:56:41] <bigegor> i know
[13-Aug-2010 14:57:01] <ashp> rmatte: i am REALLY looking forward to .2 now :D
[13-Aug-2010 14:57:02] <ericenns> yes I would like to reference it then
[13-Aug-2010 14:58:07] <rmatte> ericenns: hunh?
[13-Aug-2010 14:58:16] <rmatte> ericenns: Zenoss already does that
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[13-Aug-2010 14:58:40] <rmatte> ericenns: as long as there's a matching product OID in the products section.
[13-Aug-2010 14:58:47] <ericenns> not working for me
[13-Aug-2010 14:59:02] <rmatte> what type of device?
[13-Aug-2010 14:59:12] <ericenns> dell poweredge server
[13-Aug-2010 14:59:24] <rmatte> ohhhh
[13-Aug-2010 14:59:32] <rmatte> and you want it to actually display that it's a dell poweredge?
[13-Aug-2010 14:59:42] <rmatte> install the Dell Monitor ZenPack
[13-Aug-2010 14:59:45] <ericenns> for sure I can grab it via snmp
[13-Aug-2010 14:59:56] <ericenns> I got that installed doesnt show up
[13-Aug-2010 15:00:12] <rmatte> when you model the device, you don't see anything at all for hardware or software?
[13-Aug-2010 15:00:30] <rmatte> or does it come in as an SNMP OID?
[13-Aug-2010 15:00:56] <ericenns> Hardware manufacture generic, HardwareModel Net-SNMP Agent, OS Manufacturer Unknown
[13-Aug-2010 15:01:49] <rmatte> yeh, that's why
[13-Aug-2010 15:02:20] <ericenns> whats why
[13-Aug-2010 15:02:22] <rmatte> it's not going to know what hardware you're on since net-snmp isn't aware of it
[13-Aug-2010 15:02:51] <ericenns> I have omsa running with the connect from snmp to it
[13-Aug-2010 15:02:56] <arrrghhh> man, zenoss really doesn't want me to test the enterprise edition.
[13-Aug-2010 15:03:10] <arrrghhh> they got back to me quickly with some survey, and then said i'll have to wait for the actual download link.
[13-Aug-2010 15:03:38] <rmatte> ericenns: honestly, that dell monitor pack is probably broken since I have both the dell and HP packs installed, and the only one that ever works for me is the HP pack
[13-Aug-2010 15:06:02] <bigegor> rmatt: i have tested Dell Monitor zenpack too wuth 2.5.2 and 3.0
[13-Aug-2010 15:06:06] <bigegor> with
[13-Aug-2010 15:06:29] <rmatte> bigegor: did it work?
[13-Aug-2010 15:07:20] <ericenns> i am using it in 3.0.0 and it is functioning
[13-Aug-2010 15:07:22] <bigegor> rmatte: in my test environment - yes. What the problem you have with it?
[13-Aug-2010 15:07:31] <ericenns> in 2.5.2 it worked good also
[13-Aug-2010 15:07:38] <ashp> I have snmpd and that smuxpeer stuff and it seems to pick up my dells ok
[13-Aug-2010 15:07:41] <ashp> this is with a fresh install
[13-Aug-2010 15:08:05] <ashp> Hardware Modeledit:
[13-Aug-2010 15:08:06] <ashp> PowerEdge 1850
[13-Aug-2010 15:08:29] <rmatte> [04:03pm] <ericenns> i am using it in 3.0.0 and it is functioning
[13-Aug-2010 15:08:34] <rmatte> you said it's NOT functioning
[13-Aug-2010 15:08:35] <rmatte> :P
[13-Aug-2010 15:11:30] <ericenns> i said changing the device manufacturer isn't working
[13-Aug-2010 15:11:47] <ericenns> not the zenpack itself just a part of it
[13-Aug-2010 15:12:00] <rmatte> oh
[13-Aug-2010 15:12:08] <rmatte> well click on the link for the hardware info
[13-Aug-2010 15:12:15] <rmatte> that should bring you to an item in the products section
[13-Aug-2010 15:12:22] <rmatte> move the item in to whatever manufacturer you want it to be in
[13-Aug-2010 15:14:01] <ericenns> I dont want to do this manually
[13-Aug-2010 15:14:19] <ericenns> I'm lazy
[13-Aug-2010 15:14:53] <rmatte> well, there's nothing in existence that does what you want, so it's either do it manually or develop something to do it
[13-Aug-2010 15:15:10] <ericenns> im working on developing it
[13-Aug-2010 15:15:17] <rmatte> cool
[13-Aug-2010 15:16:02] <rmatte> I'm surprised the pack isn't smart enough to do it
[13-Aug-2010 15:16:17] <ericenns> actually my main focus is developing a Dell Equal Logic Zenpack
[13-Aug-2010 15:18:31] <bigegor> rmatte: zenpack was created before MultiArgs method was added to zenoss
[13-Aug-2010 15:19:11] <rmatte> ah
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[13-Aug-2010 15:48:18] <rmatte> eugh, I need to figure out a way to rig my out of office message so that it doesn't reply to every Zenoss email that I get while I'm on vacation lol
[13-Aug-2010 15:48:34] <rmatte> otherwise it'll flood jive with out of office messages
[13-Aug-2010 15:48:47] <rmatte> like what happenes with the Cisco Mibs pack comments not too long ago
[13-Aug-2010 15:49:06] <mray> yeah, I deleted all the ones I saw
[13-Aug-2010 15:49:13] <rmatte> thanks, I appreciate it
[13-Aug-2010 15:49:26] <mray> of course, those of us with email turned on still got them
[13-Aug-2010 15:49:36] <rmatte> yeh
[13-Aug-2010 15:51:09] <rmatte> ok, I think I have it rigged up so that it shouldn't do that
[13-Aug-2010 16:02:53] <rmatte> hmmm, I got the beta of ziptie backing stuff up now, I was missing perl modules
[13-Aug-2010 16:03:05] <rmatte> still have one last stupid problem
[13-Aug-2010 16:03:53] <rmatte> @Resource(key='ErrorDetails_status', bundle='messages') SUCCESS
[13-Aug-2010 16:04:01] <rmatte> so it seems to be complaining about a success message :P
[13-Aug-2010 16:04:04] <rmatte> go figure
[13-Aug-2010 16:04:26] <rmatte> If I can get this working it'll be groovy
[13-Aug-2010 16:06:09] <rmatte> hmmm, no way to download configs though from the looks of it
[13-Aug-2010 16:06:43] <rmatte> ah, they can be copied and pasted though
[13-Aug-2010 16:08:08] <rmatte> oh that success error was just because I hadn't refreshed
[13-Aug-2010 16:08:09] <rmatte> nice
[13-Aug-2010 16:10:02] <Orv> rmatte: Apparently you're talking (typing) to yourself ;-)
[13-Aug-2010 16:10:21] <rmatte> indeed
[13-Aug-2010 16:10:32] <arrrghhh> i was readin
[13-Aug-2010 16:10:35] <Orv> rmatte: ziptie looks interesting. We're looking for something to track router & switch configs. This looks like it would do the job.
[13-Aug-2010 16:10:36] <rmatte> lol
[13-Aug-2010 16:10:42] <arrrghhh> i don't think it'll replace NA for us tho.
[13-Aug-2010 16:10:50] <Orv> arrrghhh: NA?
[13-Aug-2010 16:11:01] <arrrghhh> network authority, evidently that used to be ziptie.
[13-Aug-2010 16:11:05] <rmatte> Orv: yeh, once I'm done testing the beta version of it I could help you set it up, the beta is much nicer than the version before it
[13-Aug-2010 16:11:14] <rmatte> since it has a fancy shmancy web interface
[13-Aug-2010 16:11:31] <Orv> rmatte: That's what I'm looking for. I was looking at rancid, but the end-users aren't command line folks...
[13-Aug-2010 16:11:41] <ericenns> hey smarties in snmp i get data sent to me in MB's so the graph values look weird whats the best sugestion?
[13-Aug-2010 16:11:57] <rmatte> Orv: yeh, this would work well for you, I just need to make sure that it's not too buggy before I can use/recommend it
[13-Aug-2010 16:12:37] <Orv> rmatte: Thanks. The guy who's asking me for a recommendation is gone for a week or so. I can demo something for him after that, and they can decide if they want to implement it or not at a later date.
[13-Aug-2010 16:13:40] <rmatte> The version I'm testing is http://dmon.org/downloads/ziptie/ziptie-server-2008.10-beta3.deb
[13-Aug-2010 16:13:52] <rmatte> I only have a .deb of it, I'll have to find other versions of it if I can
[13-Aug-2010 16:14:19] <rmatte> the version we use in production right now is 2008.04c
[13-Aug-2010 16:14:21] <rmatte> http://dmon.org/downloads/ziptie/
[13-Aug-2010 16:14:25] <rmatte> the files are all there
[13-Aug-2010 16:14:31] <rmatte> it doesn't have a web interface though
[13-Aug-2010 16:14:36] <rmatte> it's client/server
[13-Aug-2010 16:14:55] <rmatte> the client runs on anything though
[13-Aug-2010 16:15:06] <ericenns> how do i multiply a data point in zenoss
[13-Aug-2010 16:15:50] <rmatte> ericenns: well, do you just want to do that to change how it's displayed on a graph?
[13-Aug-2010 16:16:06] <ericenns> yes
[13-Aug-2010 16:16:11] <rmatte> that's simple then
[13-Aug-2010 16:16:16] <rmatte> create the graph point then click on it
[13-Aug-2010 16:16:22] <rmatte> and you'll see RPN as one of the options
[13-Aug-2010 16:16:23] <ericenns> i dont want to show mega mega bytes i want terabyes instaead
[13-Aug-2010 16:16:31] <ericenns> ok
[13-Aug-2010 16:16:39] <rmatte> which stands for reverse polish notation
[13-Aug-2010 16:16:49] <rmatte> what do you want to multiply it by?
[13-Aug-2010 16:16:51] <rmatte> 1000?
[13-Aug-2010 16:16:56] <ericenns> thats where RPN is
[13-Aug-2010 16:16:59] <ericenns> 1024,*
[13-Aug-2010 16:17:24] <rmatte> so it's already set to that?
[13-Aug-2010 16:17:31] <ericenns> no i just did that
[13-Aug-2010 16:17:34] <rmatte> ah
[13-Aug-2010 16:17:36] <rmatte> k, yeh
[13-Aug-2010 16:17:40] <rmatte> that's the proper way to do it
[13-Aug-2010 16:18:11] <ericenns> cool
[13-Aug-2010 16:19:11] <ericenns> i need to multply by 1048576 to get terabytes
[13-Aug-2010 16:20:09] <rmatte> fun
[13-Aug-2010 16:21:40] <rmatte> well guys, my vacation begins now
[13-Aug-2010 16:21:44] <rmatte> I'll be back on the 25th
[13-Aug-2010 16:21:45] <rmatte> cheers
[13-Aug-2010 16:22:57] <mray> Have a good one!
[13-Aug-2010 16:23:12] <arrrghhh> cya
[13-Aug-2010 16:23:15] <Orv> Enjoy!
[13-Aug-2010 16:39:06] <mducharme-laptop> see you rmatte!
[13-Aug-2010 16:39:11] <mducharme-laptop> have a good vacation
[13-Aug-2010 16:55:48] <chachan> see you rmatte, enjoy
[13-Aug-2010 17:06:25] <mducharme-laptop> getting close to finishing addinig devices into zenoss
[13-Aug-2010 17:13:08] <theacolyte> wait
[13-Aug-2010 17:13:17] <theacolyte> rmatte can't go on vacation
[13-Aug-2010 17:17:47] <mray> heh, more people will miss him than me :)
[13-Aug-2010 17:20:03] <mray> FYI, I've cleaned up a lot of the Zenoss 3.0 Incompatible ZenPacks: docs/DOC-5914
[13-Aug-2010 17:26:25] <theacolyte> Excellent
[13-Aug-2010 17:26:30] <theacolyte> I'm going tgo bring zenoss in here
[13-Aug-2010 17:26:31] <theacolyte> just wait
[13-Aug-2010 17:26:55] <theacolyte> We use PRTG, which as far as I can tell is awful
[13-Aug-2010 19:44:39] <mducharme-laptop> hey mray
[13-Aug-2010 19:44:44] <mducharme-laptop> I discovered a bit of a clitch
[13-Aug-2010 19:44:46] <mducharme-laptop> er glitch
[13-Aug-2010 19:45:01] <mducharme-laptop> if you try moving a location organizer inside another one, it doesn't work if the names are similar
[13-Aug-2010 19:45:06] <mducharme-laptop> it fails to move
[13-Aug-2010 19:45:44] <mducharme-laptop> or if the device name has part of the location name in it, it also won't move
[13-Aug-2010 19:47:01] <mducharme-laptop> it looks like somewhere there is some kind of string "like" statement being used
[13-Aug-2010 19:47:05] <mducharme-laptop> instead of equals
[13-Aug-2010 19:48:51] <mducharme-laptop> just fyi..
[13-Aug-2010 20:22:29] <mducharme> hrm
[13-Aug-2010 20:22:37] <mducharme> I wonder
[13-Aug-2010 20:23:10] <mducharme> these stupid interfaces are reporting the wrong speed via snmp
[13-Aug-2010 20:26:22] <mducharme> I may have to force them and lock them
[13-Aug-2010 20:26:27] <mducharme> very bizarre
[13-Aug-2010 20:28:53] <mducharme> this is great.. it seems to just decide to set all the interfaces to 100.000 Kbps
[13-Aug-2010 20:29:07] <mducharme> so with almost any traffic it is "high utilization"
[13-Aug-2010 22:59:17] <Parabola> whats a good way to track down somthing that in /Ping says its down, however if you ping it, its not down :-
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[14-Aug-2010 13:45:05] <sytem> what should i do when I cant create event mappings, because there is no component defined
[14-Aug-2010 13:46:02] <sytem> where the component can be defined for events mathcing some regexp
[14-Aug-2010 13:47:37] <mducharme> I just submitted this bug: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/7211
[14-Aug-2010 13:49:35] <mducharme> I would assume it's still a problem with 3.x
[14-Aug-2010 13:49:38] <mducharme> but I don't have 3.x to test with
[14-Aug-2010 13:50:03] <mducharme> could someone with 3.x see if it's still an issue? it's easy enough to reproduce, as seen in the ticket
[14-Aug-2010 14:13:00] <mducharme> hey mray...
[14-Aug-2010 14:14:50] <mrayzenoss> howdy
[14-Aug-2010 14:19:02] <mducharme> mray I posted that thing I found yesterday as a bug: http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/7211
[14-Aug-2010 17:26:09] <mducharme> anybody here use zenoss with lighttpd?
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[15-Aug-2010 18:10:48] <infinity-01> Hey, I have a quick question for you guys.
[15-Aug-2010 18:11:09] <infinity-01> I'm basically running zenoss 3.0.0 on Solaris 10 Sparc
[15-Aug-2010 18:11:14] <infinity-01> built from source
[15-Aug-2010 18:11:25] <infinity-01> well I guess i see in the topic 3.0.1 is out... I'll see if this bug is fixed =/
[15-Aug-2010 18:12:21] <infinity-01> hrm I don't see it there
[15-Aug-2010 18:24:18] <JonnyV_> which bug?
[15-Aug-2010 19:54:32] <infinity-01> Well, python ends up seg faulting.
[15-Aug-2010 19:54:43] <infinity-01> when the modeler is ran
[15-Aug-2010 19:54:49] <infinity-01> I think it has to do with SNMP
[15-Aug-2010 19:55:01] <infinity-01> I'm just going to do a build of net-snmp
[15-Aug-2010 19:55:05] <infinity-01> again
[15-Aug-2010 19:55:13] <infinity-01> instead of using the one I made a while ago
[15-Aug-2010 21:54:31] <Parabola> damn zenping
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[16-Aug-2010 02:57:08] <fragfutter> hp.com rocks the house. servicepack total size 300MB, download speed 20kb/sec zZzzz
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[16-Aug-2010 07:56:07] <Weetos> What could I do to disable rrdgraph slope mode (-E) in zenoss ? this is enabled by default and I'd prefer having it disabled ?
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[16-Aug-2010 08:07:05] <Simon4> Weetos:
[16-Aug-2010 08:07:09] <Simon4> zenoss@mon001:/opt/zenoss$ grep -R "rrdtool graph" Products/*
[16-Aug-2010 08:07:09] <Simon4> Products/ZenModel/RRDGraph.py:RRDGraph defines the global options for an rrdtool graph.
[16-Aug-2010 08:07:09] <Simon4> Binary file Products/ZenModel/RRDGraph.pyo matches
[16-Aug-2010 08:07:09] <Simon4> Binary file Products/ZenModel/RRDGraph.pyc matches
[16-Aug-2010 08:07:10] <Simon4> Binary file Products/ZenRRD/RenderServer.pyc matches
[16-Aug-2010 08:07:10] <Simon4> Products/ZenRRD/RenderServer.py: return "rrdtool graph " + " ".join(gopts)
[16-Aug-2010 08:07:10] <Simon4> Binary file Products/ZenRRD/RenderServer.pyo matches
[16-Aug-2010 08:07:10] <Simon4> :D
[16-Aug-2010 08:08:01] <Weetos> Simon4> ah ok, so there's no clean way of doing it ! grep that was my plan B ;)
[16-Aug-2010 08:08:13] <Weetos> Thanks
[16-Aug-2010 08:08:40] <Simon4> Weetos: it seems to be the fastest way most of the time :)
[16-Aug-2010 08:10:34] <Weetos> Having more options through the GUI would have been great though
[16-Aug-2010 08:11:47] <Weetos> Also, I'm afraid zenoss doesn't support the alpha channel (transparency) of rrdgraph (#GGRRBBAA)
[16-Aug-2010 08:12:15] <Weetos> Is this because Zenoss is packaged with an old RRDGraph version ?
[16-Aug-2010 08:12:23] <Simon4> very possibly
[16-Aug-2010 08:12:27] <Simon4> it comes with it's own
[16-Aug-2010 08:12:36] <Simon4> you could try switching a new binary into it, I haven't tried
[16-Aug-2010 08:12:56] <Weetos> yeah I was thinking about doing that and see what happens
[16-Aug-2010 08:14:09] <Weetos> I thought I could use a symbolic link pointing to the binary in /usr/bin
[16-Aug-2010 08:14:48] <Weetos> I'll give it a try and let you know if it works, in case you're interested
[16-Aug-2010 08:14:58] <Simon4> yeah, def let me know
[16-Aug-2010 08:15:08] * Simon4 has been mulling over replacing rrdgraph sometime anyway as a fun project
[16-Aug-2010 08:15:38] <Simon4> "here's something that looks just like rrdgraph, and putputs graphs, but isn't rrdgraph and makes prettier graphs"
[16-Aug-2010 08:15:54] <Simon4> I think I need to get out more ;)
[16-Aug-2010 08:16:07] <Weetos> lol
[16-Aug-2010 08:16:26] <Weetos> You'll have to tell more more about it though !
[16-Aug-2010 08:17:18] <Simon4> heh, if I get something working I certainly will
[16-Aug-2010 08:18:27] <fragfutter> i want an rrd that generates heatmaps
[16-Aug-2010 08:18:35] <fragfutter> please add to your list ;)
[16-Aug-2010 08:18:45] <Simon4> hah
[16-Aug-2010 08:18:52] * Simon4 wants a pony
[16-Aug-2010 08:19:21] <Weetos> I use rrdgraph a lot in my own apps and having more control over the cosmetic aspect would interest for sure - Man I need to get out more too ;)
[16-Aug-2010 08:19:47] * Weetos wants a million dollars
[16-Aug-2010 08:19:55] <Weetos> huh that doesn't work
[16-Aug-2010 08:20:17] <fragfutter> is started with PIL, reading from rrdfiles and generating my own image ;)
[16-Aug-2010 08:20:47] <Simon4> other slightly entertaining idea was to move the graphing into the javascript layer
[16-Aug-2010 08:21:07] <fragfutter> Simon4: how to shoot yourself in the foot web 3.0 reloaded
[16-Aug-2010 08:22:11] <Simon4> fragfutter: :D
[16-Aug-2010 08:22:20] <Weetos> that would move the all graph processing from the server to the client, is this still fast on a standard machine ?
[16-Aug-2010 08:22:49] <Simon4> Weetos: I have no idea.. it's purely at the conceptual idea stage
[16-Aug-2010 08:22:55] <Weetos> ha ok
[16-Aug-2010 08:23:25] <fragfutter> and javascript is just the perferct match for image processing
[16-Aug-2010 08:23:38] <fragfutter> it comes naturally.
[16-Aug-2010 08:23:44] <Weetos> the concept seems interesting though, as it allows ajax graph generation
[16-Aug-2010 08:23:54] <fragfutter> its run in the browser, browser displays images, so javascript must be good for images.
[16-Aug-2010 08:26:02] <Simon4> fragfutter: :D
[16-Aug-2010 08:26:24] <Simon4> Weetos: it also means that a graph update is a single value passed from server to client, vs a whole new .png
[16-Aug-2010 08:26:47] <Weetos> yep sounds cool
[16-Aug-2010 08:27:01] <fragfutter> dd-wrt is using javascript to display network throughput graphs
[16-Aug-2010 08:27:16] <Weetos> this allows for dynamic graphs - this opens new doors
[16-Aug-2010 08:35:59] <Weetos> Well patching Products/ZenModel/RRDGraph.py didn't change anything even after remodeling the device - I guess this one is used the first time the device is discovered, but this is badly designed imho as the default parameters are hard coded
[16-Aug-2010 08:37:12] <Weetos> Do you think there is a way to disable the slopemode at the template level ?
[16-Aug-2010 08:39:00] <Simon4> Weetos: did you restart bits of zenoss?
[16-Aug-2010 08:39:18] <Weetos> nope - you're right I should have done that
[16-Aug-2010 08:40:26] * Weetos restarts the whole thing
[16-Aug-2010 08:41:38] <Weetos> Simon4> well slopemode still enabled :(
[16-Aug-2010 08:41:44] <Simon4> bugger :/
[16-Aug-2010 08:46:56] <ericenns> Is there anyway to decrease my snmp logs
[16-Aug-2010 08:47:24] <rocket> ericenns: explain what you mean by decrease my snmp logs?
[16-Aug-2010 08:47:28] <ericenns> servers connected to zenoss log every single snmp rather just have errors
[16-Aug-2010 08:48:03] <rocket> ericenns: use a transform to drop all events that are not errors
[16-Aug-2010 08:48:19] <ericenns> that would be in my specific syslog
[16-Aug-2010 08:48:54] <rocket> syslog is not snmp? I am not following this line of thought
[16-Aug-2010 08:50:16] <ericenns> ok on a server monitored by snmp the log files on the computer are being overrun by snmp connections
[16-Aug-2010 08:50:33] <ericenns> eg
[16-Aug-2010 08:51:27] <ericenns> Aug 16 08:48:19 server snmpd[24812]: Connection from UDP: [zenoss]:38498
[16-Aug-2010 08:51:28] <ericenns> Aug 16 08:48:19 server snmpd[24812]: Received SNMP packet(s) from UDP: [zenoss]:38498
[16-Aug-2010 08:51:30] <ericenns> Aug 16 08:48:19 server snmpd[24812]: Connection from UDP: [zenoss]:38498
[16-Aug-2010 08:51:48] <ericenns> or can you decrease logging level in snmp
[16-Aug-2010 08:52:57] <rocket> using syslog-ng you can filter out those messages if you need to or put them in their own files
[16-Aug-2010 08:53:17] <ericenns> ok
[16-Aug-2010 08:53:44] <rocket> http://www.stat.auckland.ac.nz/~kimihia/net-snmp ... a quick 2 second google search turned up this
[16-Aug-2010 08:55:22] <ericenns> thanks
[16-Aug-2010 08:56:25] <rocket> http://wiki.cementhorizon.com/display/CH/net-snmp+5.3.2.2+filling+var+log+messages+-+problem+description+and+solution
[16-Aug-2010 08:57:24] <Weetos> Simon4> Just wondering - I see .pyc files in the Products/ZenModel directory, so this makes me think I cannot just modify the .py files, I should also recompile the corresponding binaries, right ?
[16-Aug-2010 08:57:45] <ericenns> yup just do python -m compileall .
[16-Aug-2010 08:57:55] <ericenns> remember the period
[16-Aug-2010 08:57:56] <Simon4> Weetos: possibly yeah, yo ucan just remove the offending .pyc files and restart zenoss
[16-Aug-2010 08:58:10] <Weetos> ok guys thanks
[16-Aug-2010 08:59:52] <rocket> no need to do anything with the .pyc files .. they will be regenerated as needed
[16-Aug-2010 09:00:09] <Weetos> oh ok rocket, thanks
[16-Aug-2010 09:00:19] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[16-Aug-2010 09:00:55] <rocket> they are basically a cached version of your last run and will be reused if valid .. otherwise the newer .py files will be used instead and recreate the pyc files
[16-Aug-2010 09:01:50] <Weetos> Ok, the only drawbacks I see is that my edits would be overwritten in case of an update
[16-Aug-2010 09:02:43] <Weetos> rocket> Is there really no other way to disable rrdgraph slopemode than editing Products/ZenModel/GraphDefinition.py ?
[16-Aug-2010 09:03:05] <rocket> Weetos: I am not sure .. I havent looked into that ..
[16-Aug-2010 09:03:48] <rocket> Weetos: where are you looking in there?
[16-Aug-2010 09:03:58] <Weetos> 2s please
[16-Aug-2010 09:05:02] <Weetos> version 2.5.2, line 511 : gopts = ['-F', '-E']
[16-Aug-2010 09:05:31] <Weetos> I want to remove the "-E", so I edited accordingly, replacing by gopts = ['-F']
[16-Aug-2010 09:06:43] <Weetos> because I don't want linear interpolations on some templates (such as logged users and such)
[16-Aug-2010 09:07:55] <rocket> what will that gain you?
[16-Aug-2010 09:09:07] <Weetos> this is just for accuracy, because the interpolated values are obviously wrong in case of integer data
[16-Aug-2010 09:11:40] <Zoidberg`> good morning
[16-Aug-2010 09:14:19] <Weetos> rocket> but I would have prefered to have this option in the graph definition of my template (where -E is hard coded) - this is not a big deal, but a simple checkbox there would have been easier than having to modify the hardcoded value
[16-Aug-2010 09:17:08] <Zoidberg`> so i've spent the last week, at least a couple hours a day testing/ messing with zenping
[16-Aug-2010 09:17:23] <Zoidberg`> if someone could spare a few minutes just to go over my ping settings, and help me make sense of it, that would begreat
[16-Aug-2010 09:17:43] <Zoidberg`> we are getting notifications for servers that arent down, and a zabbix box i setup, didnt notify me
[16-Aug-2010 09:18:02] <Zoidberg`> and im talking like, 30 or 40 notifications a day
[16-Aug-2010 09:25:40] <ssureshot> Zoidberg: were getting the same thing.. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this also
[16-Aug-2010 09:27:28] <Zoidberg`> ssureshot: maybe we can help each other
[16-Aug-2010 09:28:08] <Zoidberg`> ssureshot: so far i've gotten notifications cut down by changing the ping timeout to 10 seconds manually in the command its self
[16-Aug-2010 09:28:26] <Zoidberg`> in 3.0 go under Advanced > Settings > Commands
[16-Aug-2010 09:29:08] <Zoidberg`> Open ping, and add "-W <value>" i did 10( its in seconds) the major problem still exists though
[16-Aug-2010 09:30:17] <Zoidberg`> because generally speaking, devices dont take 1500MS to respond, not to mention 10,000MS
[16-Aug-2010 09:30:48] <ssureshot> good look on that one.. I am looking into creating a new template to assign ... Iee.. I don't want my printers monitored just yet but I don't want them deleted either..
[16-Aug-2010 09:31:27] <ssureshot> the timing of the devices going down always happens approx 10 am - 10:15 here
[16-Aug-2010 09:31:48] <ssureshot> or timing of zenoss telling me the devices are down
[16-Aug-2010 09:32:21] <Zoidberg`> hmm, i never noticed if my notifications were coming at a certain time of the day
[16-Aug-2010 09:32:24] <Zoidberg`> lemme check
[16-Aug-2010 09:33:52] <Zoidberg`> my boss, who has been keeping the emails, says its random
[16-Aug-2010 09:35:18] <ssureshot> I was also able to clear some up by creating maintenance windows for the server during our backup windows...
[16-Aug-2010 09:35:57] <ssureshot> if your having specific problems with specific servers.. you may need to granularly set per device..
[16-Aug-2010 09:36:07] <ssureshot> are you getting IP down or service's down?
[16-Aug-2010 09:36:23] <ssureshot> I get a combination
[16-Aug-2010 09:37:41] <rocket> Weetos: file a defect for it please .. with your example usage ...
[16-Aug-2010 09:38:59] <Zoidberg`> i'm only getting BS notifications on Pings
[16-Aug-2010 09:39:14] <Zoidberg`> if its in /Ping i'm getting notifications
[16-Aug-2010 09:39:38] <Zoidberg`> when its "down" my zabbix box never says a word and i can ping the devices just fine with sub 100ms ping
[16-Aug-2010 09:41:05] <Zoidberg`> i'm really running out of ideas, i do not want to have multiple monitoring boxes.. that seems stupid
[16-Aug-2010 09:41:25] <Zoidberg`> i can set for 5 retries, 10 seconds per ping, and dont notify for 5 failsures
[16-Aug-2010 09:41:27] <Zoidberg`> failures*
[16-Aug-2010 09:41:32] <Zoidberg`> i still get hit..
[16-Aug-2010 09:42:03] <rocket> Weetos: have you looked into a graph custom definition?
[16-Aug-2010 09:42:41] <rocket> Weetos: it may still not do what you are trying to accomplish
[16-Aug-2010 09:44:08] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[16-Aug-2010 09:47:04] <Zoidberg`> ssureshot: have you found any other settings that have helped?
[16-Aug-2010 09:47:19] <Zoidberg`> aside from modifying the actual ping command, i've got nothin
[16-Aug-2010 09:47:23] <Weetos> rocket> Yeah I use that for some stuff, but it only adds what you enter there to the default parameters, and you can't negate something that is set in the default tab
[16-Aug-2010 09:48:10] <Weetos> rocket> can't file a defect at the mo, but I will do for sure asap - thanks
[16-Aug-2010 09:48:54] <rocket> Weetos: I am not sure how much of zenoss is designed around those current defaults etc
[16-Aug-2010 09:49:39] <rocket> Weetos: it may be a nest of tanglements to unravel all dependancies on that assumption though it makes sense to be able to change it ..
[16-Aug-2010 10:00:49] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[16-Aug-2010 10:07:50] <ashp> Hmm, anyone here monitor mysql4 with zenoss?
[16-Aug-2010 10:08:02] <ashp> It's failing on my single mysql4 box and I suspect it's just not supported at all or something
[16-Aug-2010 10:10:16] <mrayzenoss> ashp: docs/DOC-8139
[16-Aug-2010 10:10:45] <mrayzenoss> Extended Monitoring Guide says there's a MySQL 5 setting in the data source
[16-Aug-2010 10:11:03] <ashp> ah, i couldn't find anything :)
[16-Aug-2010 10:11:17] <ashp> oh god so i'll need a class just for mysql4
[16-Aug-2010 10:11:20] <ashp> how ugly :(
[16-Aug-2010 10:11:29] <Zoidberg`> i'm watching mysql stuff but its not 4, sorry
[16-Aug-2010 10:11:53] <ashp> already i hate how i have to have stuff like server/linux/mysqlapache and other combos, i can't shake the feeling i'm doing it all wrong
[16-Aug-2010 10:12:49] <Zoidberg`> ashp: you have seperate classes setup to monitor each?
[16-Aug-2010 10:13:14] <ashp> Zoidberg`: I am building a seperate class for each thing, but sometimes i have say, just apache, then just mysql, then another box (say a dev box) will have both together
[16-Aug-2010 10:13:21] <Zoidberg`> ashp: thats not really needed, its intelligent enough to not monitor a service that isnt there
[16-Aug-2010 10:13:21] <ashp> i don't want to haev to bind the templates per box so i end up with a mess
[16-Aug-2010 10:13:43] <Zoidberg`> ashp: so you can say, modify the /Servers/Linux class to monitor the os processes you want, like apache, mysql, bind..ect (which i'm doing)
[16-Aug-2010 10:13:55] <Zoidberg`> then when you model the device, if the class is not availible, it will not look for it on that particular host
[16-Aug-2010 10:14:02] <ashp> Well, this isn't just process monitoring, I'm adding in all the templates like apache, or mysql
[16-Aug-2010 10:14:06] <ashp> or does it work for that too?
[16-Aug-2010 10:14:28] <Zoidberg`> still works
[16-Aug-2010 10:14:35] <Zoidberg`> just bind thoes templates to that one class that they are all in
[16-Aug-2010 10:14:43] <Zoidberg`> and if its not availible, it wont try to monitor it
[16-Aug-2010 10:14:55] <ashp> ahhh, hmm, let me try that because that would be a hell of a lot better
[16-Aug-2010 10:14:59] <Zoidberg`> :)
[16-Aug-2010 10:15:06] <ashp> because this is driving me insane
[16-Aug-2010 10:15:47] <Zoidberg`> yeah, theres no need to do all that
[16-Aug-2010 10:16:12] <ashp> i thought this had to be wrong, it seemed so.. awkward
[16-Aug-2010 10:16:17] <Zoidberg`> yup
[16-Aug-2010 10:16:28] <Zoidberg`> while zenoss is worthless (from what i can tell) for just pinging devices
[16-Aug-2010 10:16:34] <Zoidberg`> its pretty damn good at snmp/wmi
[16-Aug-2010 10:17:07] <Zoidberg`> i monitor a handful of windows terminal server boxes, and have no issues
[16-Aug-2010 10:17:19] <ashp> i do however get graphs for all the templates, even if they aren't running those services
[16-Aug-2010 10:17:30] <ashp> and errors that it can't connect to mysql/etc
[16-Aug-2010 10:17:33] <ashp> so i might not have this perfect yet
[16-Aug-2010 10:17:38] <Zoidberg`> hmm
[16-Aug-2010 10:17:47] <Zoidberg`> the graphs may show up, but will be empty.. that i'm not sure of
[16-Aug-2010 10:18:06] <ashp> the empty graphs i don't mind but it's trying to actually connect to the services from the templates
[16-Aug-2010 10:18:12] <ashp> which means my events will be full of errors
[16-Aug-2010 10:19:12] <Zoidberg`> hmm, i assume its the addon templates you have that are doing this, correct?
[16-Aug-2010 10:19:22] <Zoidberg`> i didnt have that issue with the ones i added. i dunno :-\
[16-Aug-2010 10:19:35] <ashp> it's just templates from the enterprise pack
[16-Aug-2010 10:19:57] <Zoidberg`> ah, i'm only using core. You may want to ask, someone might be nice enough to answer
[16-Aug-2010 10:20:00] <ashp> i might just not have stuff configured properly
[16-Aug-2010 10:20:06] <Zoidberg`> yeah i cant see why it would that
[16-Aug-2010 10:20:10] <ashp> as ideally it would look for processes then only try to apply templtaes for stuff it matches
[16-Aug-2010 10:20:18] <Zoidberg`> which is what it does by design
[16-Aug-2010 10:21:11] <ashp> i wonder if it's just processes isn't setup right
[16-Aug-2010 10:21:16] <ashp> as it doesn't find mysql or anything, just apache
[16-Aug-2010 10:22:58] <Zoidberg`> are you adding them manually, or selecting from a list?
[16-Aug-2010 10:23:12] <Zoidberg`> you should be able to select the process out of the processes list, all detected ones will show up
[16-Aug-2010 10:23:16] <Zoidberg`> and you can set it to be monitored
[16-Aug-2010 10:23:59] <ssureshot> Zoidberg: sorry I believe we actually have a switch giong bad that may be our root cause here... but.. if you go into a device and > cofiguration properties there is a setting called - zStatusConnectTimeout I have moved that up to 25... and it seemed to help a little
[16-Aug-2010 10:25:29] <Zoidberg`> alright, thanks :)
[16-Aug-2010 10:25:44] <ssureshot> the switch in question is the same switch that zenoss box is attached... we just transferred some servers to a new switch and see what happens
[16-Aug-2010 10:25:53] <Zoidberg`> its gotten better though.. i actually disabled ping and snmp is not on.. its been 20min
[16-Aug-2010 10:26:00] <Zoidberg`> fking zenoss thinks its still up
[16-Aug-2010 10:26:04] <Zoidberg`> yet it cannot be pinged
[16-Aug-2010 10:26:13] <Zoidberg`> so zenoss is completely worthless for monitoring connectivity
[16-Aug-2010 10:26:16] <ssureshot> you need to push the changes
[16-Aug-2010 10:26:18] <Zoidberg`> which is a bummer, because thats kind of needed
[16-Aug-2010 10:26:24] <Zoidberg`> i already did
[16-Aug-2010 10:26:26] <ssureshot> ah
[16-Aug-2010 10:27:05] <rocket> Zoidberg`: are you getting any debug logs to confirm this?
[16-Aug-2010 10:27:29] <Zoidberg`> to confirm what, that it thinks up?
[16-Aug-2010 10:27:54] <Zoidberg`> aside from zenping logs, no
[16-Aug-2010 10:27:59] <Zoidberg`> i'm unaware of any other log type
[16-Aug-2010 10:28:39] <rocket> Zoidberg`: are you enterprise customer?
[16-Aug-2010 10:28:42] <Zoidberg`> nope
[16-Aug-2010 10:28:48] <rocket> are you an enterprise customer?
[16-Aug-2010 10:29:04] <Zoidberg`> no, i am not an enterprise customer
[16-Aug-2010 10:29:59] <rocket> ok well there is a patch for zenping to have it update its config even if there was another issue... maybe its related to this issue
[16-Aug-2010 10:30:03] <rocket> http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/changeset/21427
[16-Aug-2010 10:30:26] <rocket> have you restarted zenping to see if that resolves the issue for right now?
[16-Aug-2010 10:30:30] <Zoidberg`> oh yes
[16-Aug-2010 10:30:34] <Zoidberg`> i've restarted the entire server
[16-Aug-2010 10:30:43] <Zoidberg`> i upgraded to 3.0.1 too
[16-Aug-2010 10:30:46] <rocket> and it still is not saying ping down?
[16-Aug-2010 10:30:51] <Zoidberg`> correct
[16-Aug-2010 10:31:07] <rocket> can you delete that device and re-add it?
[16-Aug-2010 10:31:10] <Zoidberg`> sure
[16-Aug-2010 10:31:24] <rocket> if I were to guess at this point there you wont be able to delete that device
[16-Aug-2010 10:31:34] <Zoidberg`> i shall try
[16-Aug-2010 10:32:05] <Zoidberg`> its deleted, im re-adding
[16-Aug-2010 10:33:58] <Zoidberg`> alright, re-added
[16-Aug-2010 10:34:03] <Zoidberg`> and, it still says its up :)
[16-Aug-2010 10:34:08] <ashp> damn, I need to work out how to copy the MySQL template to MySQL4 so I can have two seperate instances of it
[16-Aug-2010 10:34:27] <Zoidberg`> ashp: sorry mate i'm not sure about that one
[16-Aug-2010 10:34:56] <rocket> Zoidberg`: that doesnt make sense .. probably an rrd file related to that device is messed up
[16-Aug-2010 10:35:24] <rocket> I have seen that once before .. you should try rrddumping them to make sure they are valid for writing etc
[16-Aug-2010 10:35:37] <rocket> or move them out of the way so zenoss will remake them
[16-Aug-2010 10:35:39] <Zoidberg`> while it not telling me when somthing is down.. the 40 emails a day me and my boss get from it saying devices are down that are not
[16-Aug-2010 10:35:43] <Zoidberg`> is FAR worse
[16-Aug-2010 10:36:24] <rocket> Zoidberg`: usually those really are not zenoss's fault .. very rarely have we found an actual case where it was zenoss directly doing it
[16-Aug-2010 10:36:27] <Zoidberg`> we get a set of emails that things are down, only ping things.. and then within seconds we get emails that they are back up.. now i know they arent actually going down
[16-Aug-2010 10:36:41] <Zoidberg`> my zabbix box never says a word on the false positives
[16-Aug-2010 10:36:52] <Zoidberg`> i'm not directly blaming zenoss. my guess is its configuration
[16-Aug-2010 10:37:10] <rocket> how busy is the system?
[16-Aug-2010 10:37:29] <Zoidberg`> its a VM, on a dual quad core, VM has 4GB of ram theres less than 100 devices total
[16-Aug-2010 10:37:38] <Zoidberg`> i'd say, 75 devices, 60 of them are ping only
[16-Aug-2010 10:38:01] <Zoidberg`> rocket: I modified the Ping command, added "-W 10" to help with the spam
[16-Aug-2010 10:38:09] <Zoidberg`> but im not sure how much its helping
[16-Aug-2010 10:40:32] <Zoidberg`> i'm just at witts end on what to do
[16-Aug-2010 10:41:12] <Zoidberg`> deleting that one fixed it
[16-Aug-2010 10:41:33] <rocket> put things in debug mode ..
[16-Aug-2010 10:41:51] <ashp> sigh, not my day. I tried adding the netapp..
[16-Aug-2010 10:42:00] <rocket> see if there is any other indications etc .. are there firewalls etc in play .. failover scenarios etc
[16-Aug-2010 10:42:16] <ashp> 2010-08-16 11:41:13,189 ERROR zen.ZenDisc: Traceback (most recent call last):
[16-Aug-2010 10:42:20] <ashp> *makes more tickets* :(
[16-Aug-2010 10:42:48] <Zoidberg`> rocket honestly i cant blame firewalls
[16-Aug-2010 10:43:03] <Zoidberg`> theres a zabbix VM on another host in the same datacenter, it has none of these issues :-\
[16-Aug-2010 10:43:08] <ashp> hmm, seemed like it modelled it despite the failures
[16-Aug-2010 10:43:11] <Zoidberg`> i set it up just to do ping until i can get this figured it
[16-Aug-2010 10:43:13] <Zoidberg`> out*
[16-Aug-2010 10:44:04] <rocket> Zoidberg`: manual ping from the zenoss box fails I assume?
[16-Aug-2010 10:44:42] <Zoidberg`> i cant test that
[16-Aug-2010 10:44:52] <Zoidberg`> literally within seconds of the "OMG ITS DOWN" email i get a CLEAR email
[16-Aug-2010 10:45:09] <Zoidberg`> so it maybe 5 or sometimes 10 things itll say are down and all the emails pour in at once
[16-Aug-2010 10:45:19] <Zoidberg`> by the time i login to the server, it says its up
[16-Aug-2010 10:45:25] <rocket> ah I see ... hrmm tricky .. unfortunately without a support agreement there isnt alot I can do right now ... sorry bud
[16-Aug-2010 10:45:49] <Simon4> Zoidberg`: probably unrelated, but we had that ages ago, however it turned out one of the core firewalls really was dying, and hurling away random amounts/portions of icmp traffic
[16-Aug-2010 10:45:59] <Zoidberg`> yeah i've noticed that, there was a feature i was willing to pay for the development of, i got told no unless i buy the entperise version first
[16-Aug-2010 10:46:18] <Zoidberg`> Simon4: i hear you, i'll try a swapout of the switch this week
[16-Aug-2010 10:46:48] <Zoidberg`> Simon4: i am actually planning on switch change anyway, doing an upgrade in that rack anyway
[16-Aug-2010 10:46:54] <Simon4> ah cool
[16-Aug-2010 10:47:03] <Zoidberg`> yeah
[16-Aug-2010 10:47:37] <Zoidberg`> rocket: can i pay for support without buying the ent version
[16-Aug-2010 10:47:57] <Zoidberg`> rocket: to be honest if i go and ask for funding for that i'm going to get this (probobly verbatim) "why the hell would i pay for a product that doesnt even work"
[16-Aug-2010 10:48:27] <Zoidberg`> which, i can understand from his point of view, hes been paying me for quite alot of time to get zenoss working
[16-Aug-2010 10:49:11] <Zoidberg`> and i've been too stupid thus far :)
[16-Aug-2010 10:54:11] <Zoidberg`> alright, cool
[16-Aug-2010 10:54:16] <rocket> Zoidberg`: unfortunately we do not currently offer one off support
[16-Aug-2010 10:54:20] <Zoidberg`> wow
[16-Aug-2010 10:54:40] <Zoidberg`> i have to say i've never seen a business so hesistant to accept money
[16-Aug-2010 10:54:45] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[16-Aug-2010 10:54:48] <rocket> Zoidberg`: at least not that I am aware of ... you can always contact the main line and find out if they have changed
[16-Aug-2010 10:55:01] <Zoidberg`> users cant pay in full for development of features, and you cant buy support
[16-Aug-2010 10:55:08] <Zoidberg`> how do you guys make money?
[16-Aug-2010 10:55:17] <arrrghhh> Zoidberg`, i'm going to be testing the enterprise version before we pay
[16-Aug-2010 10:55:25] <arrrghhh> and they offer support to those who are testing it.
[16-Aug-2010 10:55:37] <arrrghhh> i have yet to receive the materials to test it, but that's another story.
[16-Aug-2010 10:56:03] <Zoidberg`> i'm not paying for the full version when the feature i want is in the free version
[16-Aug-2010 10:56:10] <rocket> Zoidberg`: I don't get involved in the business accepting money side of it
[16-Aug-2010 10:56:20] <Zoidberg`> rocket: i understand and i'm not trying to take it out on you
[16-Aug-2010 10:56:24] <Zoidberg`> its just very frustrating
[16-Aug-2010 10:56:32] <Zoidberg`> the sales guy didnt give 2 shits that i wnated to pay for somthing
[16-Aug-2010 10:57:22] <ericenns> whats the best way to debug a modeler plugin that I just created
[16-Aug-2010 10:57:32] <Zoidberg`> the kicker is i dont think zenoss is broken
[16-Aug-2010 10:57:47] <Zoidberg`> its configuration error, yet pigs will fly before i can get this resolved
[16-Aug-2010 10:57:58] <rocket> Zoidberg`: you could talk to Matt as the Community guy he may have some pull
[16-Aug-2010 10:57:59] <mray> ericenns: install it, bounce zenhub and zopectl, model
[16-Aug-2010 10:58:11] <mray> ericenns: rinse, repeat
[16-Aug-2010 10:58:11] <Zoidberg`> rocket: been down that road :)
[16-Aug-2010 10:58:20] <mray> yeah, I don't have any pull :)
[16-Aug-2010 10:58:29] <Zoidberg`> matts a cool dude, gives good presentations
[16-Aug-2010 10:58:31] <ericenns> I've done that but it wont create the components and no errors are generated so I can see whats wrong
[16-Aug-2010 10:58:34] <Zoidberg`> but couldnt help me out :P
[16-Aug-2010 10:58:39] <Zoidberg`> or maybe just wouldnt
[16-Aug-2010 10:58:54] <Zoidberg`> you humans, always looking down on us zoidbergs
[16-Aug-2010 10:59:02] <mray> Zoidberg`: you spoiled our drinking water
[16-Aug-2010 10:59:11] <rocket> ;)
[16-Aug-2010 10:59:22] <mray> ericenns: make sure everything's in debug mode
[16-Aug-2010 10:59:26] <Zoidberg`> alright, lemme see if you guys offer paid support
[16-Aug-2010 10:59:33] <Zoidberg`> if you dont, i'm giving up on life
[16-Aug-2010 10:59:44] <mray> Zoidberg`: we do, just not on incident support
[16-Aug-2010 10:59:49] <ericenns> ok i'll try that
[16-Aug-2010 10:59:53] <Zoidberg`> ugh
[16-Aug-2010 11:00:40] <Zoidberg`> how much is that?
[16-Aug-2010 11:05:00] <Weetos> mray> Just wondering, is there still support for 2.5.X (bugfixes) or do we have to upgrade to 3.0.X ?
[16-Aug-2010 11:06:29] <mray> Weetos: there are very very few bugs that will be fixed in 2.5.x
[16-Aug-2010 11:06:48] <Weetos> oh ok
[16-Aug-2010 11:07:09] <rocket> Weetos: support does fix somethings on a one off basis depending on complexity
[16-Aug-2010 11:07:10] <mray> unless it's still relevant in the 3.0 release
[16-Aug-2010 11:07:13] <ashp> arghhh i hate netapp's sometimes
[16-Aug-2010 11:07:20] <Zoidberg`> ashp: whats going on man?
[16-Aug-2010 11:07:23] <ashp> it's not exporting lun/filesystem stuff via snmp
[16-Aug-2010 11:07:31] <ashp> i can also only do snmp v1 because it has some 'legacy' mode turned on
[16-Aug-2010 11:07:34] <ashp> and i can't get it to turn off
[16-Aug-2010 11:08:20] <Weetos> rocket> do you know if the slopemode can be disabled in 3.0.x ?
[16-Aug-2010 11:08:23] <ashp> when i model it things break, but i think it's this legacy stuff blocking data from showing via snmp
[16-Aug-2010 11:08:51] <rocket> Weetos: if it hasnt been reported as a bug then I doubt it
[16-Aug-2010 11:09:05] <rocket> I havent looked at the 3.0 code for that
[16-Aug-2010 11:10:06] <Zoidberg`> ashp: hmm, not sure about that one mate
[16-Aug-2010 11:10:10] <Weetos> Ok then I'll test it out on 3.0 and file a defect if it's still not implemented (I check the rrdgraph version as well, so I can see if transparency is supported)
[16-Aug-2010 11:11:00] <rocket> Weetos: rrdgraph has not been updated yet ..
[16-Aug-2010 11:11:08] <rocket> Weetos: though it is upgraded in trunk
[16-Aug-2010 11:11:20] <Weetos> oh ok good to know
[16-Aug-2010 11:11:53] <Weetos> Thanks guy, I gotta go - have a nice afternoon
[16-Aug-2010 11:11:58] <Weetos> *guys*
[16-Aug-2010 11:16:08] bigegor_ is now known as bigegor
[16-Aug-2010 11:16:18] <Zoidberg`> hey egor, whats up man
[16-Aug-2010 11:16:38] <bigegor> hi
[16-Aug-2010 11:18:09] <gwb2351> what are people's preferred transforms for /perf/filesystem full modifications?
[16-Aug-2010 11:18:17] <gwb2351> http://devarthur.blogspot.com/2008/04/zenoss-percentage-used-for.html
[16-Aug-2010 11:18:23] <gwb2351> http://www.sysadminwiki.net/wiki/index.php?title=Linux_Filesystems_in_Zenoss
[16-Aug-2010 11:19:04] <gwb2351> Looking for best method to give me something more readable than threshold of high_disk_usage exceeded: current value 2639812160.00
[16-Aug-2010 11:19:39] <QubeZ> hello all
[16-Aug-2010 11:20:12] <QubeZ> is there any way to make Zenoss not send out so many alerts for a server if ping times out on the server? I know its zenoss isn't topology aware yet but this would be a lil different
[16-Aug-2010 11:20:56] <gwb2351> I use this: # blogs/zenossblog/2009/05/28 # /tip-of-the-month-event suppression
[16-Aug-2010 11:22:02] <QubeZ> thanks
[16-Aug-2010 11:22:09] <QubeZ> works with 3.0?
[16-Aug-2010 11:22:40] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[16-Aug-2010 11:23:02] <rocket> QubeZ: no reason it shouldn't
[16-Aug-2010 11:28:39] <Zoidberg`> QubeZ: lol
[16-Aug-2010 11:28:59] <Zoidberg`> QubeZ: set a delay on email notifications, and set it to 5 pings, once every 60 seconds
[16-Aug-2010 11:29:02] <Zoidberg`> :)
[16-Aug-2010 11:32:59] <QubeZ> rather do the transform and not change alert timings
[16-Aug-2010 11:33:02] <QubeZ> thanks though Zoidberg`
[16-Aug-2010 11:33:21] <QubeZ> i added to global transform via event manager -> event classes then going to edit -> transform.
[16-Aug-2010 11:33:37] <QubeZ> if I wanted to add more transforms globally, do I just paste them under the first transform?
[16-Aug-2010 11:33:45] <QubeZ> not sure how to do multiple unrelated transforms
[16-Aug-2010 11:34:38] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[16-Aug-2010 11:34:44] <mducharme-laptop> now I'm trying to set up syslog-ng and zenoss
[16-Aug-2010 11:35:19] <mducharme-laptop> zenoss is refusing connections by syslog-ng
[16-Aug-2010 11:42:33] LarsN_Away is now known as LarsN
[16-Aug-2010 11:43:27] <LarsN> Did anyone else notice that data-points appear to auto-associate with data-sources?
[16-Aug-2010 11:43:32] <LarsN> going to Zenoss 3.0
[16-Aug-2010 11:44:34] <mducharme-laptop> hrm this is annoying
[16-Aug-2010 11:44:42] <mducharme-laptop> zenoss thinks all the events are related to my syslog server
[16-Aug-2010 11:44:50] <mducharme-laptop> the syslog server is just proxying the events
[16-Aug-2010 11:44:56] <LarsN> previously, if I had an http monitor bound to a device, and then set up several additional datasources for that template. the size and time (http monitor) datapoints would show up as. instance1-size instance1-time instace2-size instance2-time now I just get a large list of size/time from the dropdown :(
[16-Aug-2010 11:45:14] <LarsN> unless I go through and rename the datapoints in each source.
[16-Aug-2010 11:45:29] <mducharme-laptop> how the heck do I tell zenoss that those syslog messages are forwarded from other devices
[16-Aug-2010 11:59:56] <ericenns> hey so in 3.0.1 I just modeled my cisco firewall and now I get a server exception when selecting interfaces
[16-Aug-2010 12:00:03] <ericenns> I can post the error
[16-Aug-2010 12:02:11] <Zoidberg`> logout of zenoss and back in
[16-Aug-2010 12:02:27] <ericenns> i restarted zenoss
[16-Aug-2010 12:03:34] <gwb2351> hmmm... when you generate an event in /perf/filesystem for your linux devices, does the "Component" get filled in (2.5.2)
[16-Aug-2010 12:31:54] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[16-Aug-2010 12:32:29] <mducharme-laptop> how would I get zenoss to be configured such that if a device which name starts with ptp- will not trigger an email if it is down yet will still show up red?
[16-Aug-2010 12:33:02] <arrrghhh> i'd say just disable the email for that component...
[16-Aug-2010 12:33:09] <arrrghhh> i guess it depends on how you have your emailing rules setup.
[16-Aug-2010 12:42:08] <mducharme-laptop> it's setup to email where production state is production, severity is greater than or equal to warning, and state is new
[16-Aug-2010 12:42:17] <arrrghhh> ew.
[16-Aug-2010 12:42:29] <mducharme-laptop> what?
[16-Aug-2010 12:42:48] <arrrghhh> that basically generates email alerts for ANYTHING then.
[16-Aug-2010 12:43:29] <mducharme-laptop> no, only anything warning or higher
[16-Aug-2010 12:43:39] <mducharme-laptop> with production devices
[16-Aug-2010 12:44:03] <arrrghhh> so anything
[16-Aug-2010 12:44:26] <arrrghhh> i email on components
[16-Aug-2010 12:44:32] <arrrghhh> so my setup is more granular.
[16-Aug-2010 12:45:05] <arrrghhh> for example, i only get emails on T1 operational status changes.
[16-Aug-2010 12:45:57] <mducharme-laptop> ahh ok
[16-Aug-2010 12:46:03] <mducharme-laptop> well in my case this rule works just fine
[16-Aug-2010 12:46:13] <arrrghhh> that's fine
[16-Aug-2010 12:46:18] <mducharme-laptop> the only thing I need is to not get emailed about any devices that start with ptp-
[16-Aug-2010 12:46:18] <arrrghhh> but since it's such a broad rule
[16-Aug-2010 12:46:22] <arrrghhh> it's going to catch everything.
[16-Aug-2010 12:46:28] <mducharme-laptop> because they are layer 2 devices
[16-Aug-2010 12:46:42] <arrrghhh> well my suggestion would be to change your email rules...
[16-Aug-2010 12:46:45] <mducharme-laptop> if a ptp- device goes down, a router will also go down
[16-Aug-2010 12:46:54] <arrrghhh> but there's probably a transform or something you could apply
[16-Aug-2010 12:48:00] <Simon4_> anyone know if there's a function call like "getRRDValue" but that will return all the values for a single datapoint?
[16-Aug-2010 12:48:47] <arrrghhh> mducharme-laptop, i know you can setup transforms to drop events, but then i don't think it'll go red in zenoss...
[16-Aug-2010 12:48:56] <mducharme-laptop> right, that's the problem
[16-Aug-2010 12:49:06] <mducharme-laptop> b/c I want the person troubleshooting it to be able to tell that it's down
[16-Aug-2010 12:49:07] <arrrghhh> so change your email rules to be more granular...
[16-Aug-2010 12:49:18] <mducharme-laptop> yet I don't want two emails to go out
[16-Aug-2010 12:49:32] <mducharme-laptop> since I can't do dependencies it makes sense to just have the router emails go out
[16-Aug-2010 12:49:39] <arrrghhh> that would be my recommendation to solve your problem.
[16-Aug-2010 12:53:12] <arrrghhh> perhaps you could change the prod states of all the devices with ptp-? kinda a crappy workaround, but since your email rules are so generic...
[16-Aug-2010 12:53:44] <LarsN> is there an easy way to copy a locally defined template to another device?
[16-Aug-2010 12:53:56] <ericenns> nope
[16-Aug-2010 12:54:06] <arrrghhh> not easy...
[16-Aug-2010 12:54:07] <LarsN> used to be you could go into zope and copy/paste from there.
[16-Aug-2010 12:54:10] <arrrghhh> make a zenpack out of it.
[16-Aug-2010 12:56:32] <mducharme-laptop> ahh nevermind
[16-Aug-2010 12:56:43] <mducharme-laptop> there is a way to set an email rule "device" "does not contain" and put in the text
[16-Aug-2010 12:56:49] <mducharme-laptop> so I just said where device does not contain ptp-
[16-Aug-2010 12:56:55] <mducharme-laptop> that appears to have worked
[16-Aug-2010 12:57:17] <arrrghhh> ah there you go. i didn't think there was a way to do that, but on the same token i didn't check either. i kinda assumed there wouldn't be a way to do that lol :P
[16-Aug-2010 13:01:26] <mducharme-laptop> I had looked for that but for a different data type
[16-Aug-2010 13:01:36] <mducharme-laptop> the only options I Saw with the other thing were not equal or greater than or equal
[16-Aug-2010 13:01:37] * LarsN crosses his fingers.
[16-Aug-2010 13:01:42] <mducharme-laptop> I expected those would be the same for all options
[16-Aug-2010 13:32:41] <Simon4_> wooo
[16-Aug-2010 13:32:50] * Simon4_ gets a prototype client-side graphing toy working
[16-Aug-2010 13:37:25] <ashp> I tested these netapps with 2.5 and it worked fine and now with 3 it's totally broken
[16-Aug-2010 13:37:33] <ashp> but I swear the issue is with the netapps, I'm totally confused :(
[16-Aug-2010 13:37:41] <ashp> If I snmpwalk them I see nothing about disks, only network crap
[16-Aug-2010 13:53:15] <LarsN> arrrghhh, ericenns: so, if you let yourself into the Zope management interface, navigate to the device with the overridden template that's configured the way you would like, you "can" use copy, navigate to the device you would like to apply that to, and paste.
[16-Aug-2010 13:53:33] <LarsN> then if you bind templates a shiny new, preconfigured local copy is available in the list of templates you can bind.
[16-Aug-2010 13:53:37] <arrrghhh> ah, i thought in v3 they were pulling a lot of the zope access.
[16-Aug-2010 13:53:44] <arrrghhh> cool, good to know.
[16-Aug-2010 13:53:47] <LarsN> they did, but....
[16-Aug-2010 13:53:59] <LarsN> <---- works for a zope hosting company. :)
[16-Aug-2010 13:54:06] <arrrghhh> ah
[16-Aug-2010 13:54:07] <arrrghhh> haha
[16-Aug-2010 13:54:14] <arrrghhh> i work for a bank, zope is pretty new concept to me :P
[16-Aug-2010 13:54:43] <LarsN> I'm sure what I did is against at least four holy laws in a country I've never heard of.
[16-Aug-2010 13:54:51] <arrrghhh> bwhahaha
[16-Aug-2010 13:54:52] <LarsN> and might even be illegal in three states.
[16-Aug-2010 13:54:54] <Simon4_> LarsN: just sacrifice a chicken or two
[16-Aug-2010 13:54:57] <LarsN> but. It worked.
[16-Aug-2010 13:54:59] <arrrghhh> but hey if you're not in that country, who cares ;)
[16-Aug-2010 13:54:59] <Simon4_> it makes everything better
[16-Aug-2010 13:55:02] Simon4_ is now known as Simon4
[16-Aug-2010 13:55:23] <ericenns> good to know
[16-Aug-2010 13:55:33] <LarsN> we've been using http monitor, to query individual zope instances on servers.
[16-Aug-2010 13:56:22] <LarsN> many of our servers have between 5 and 12 instances on them. Hand tuning the template wasn't a lot of fun, and I wanted to avoid as much manual dataentry as possible.
[16-Aug-2010 13:56:47] <arrrghhh> don't we all...
[16-Aug-2010 13:57:49] <Simon4> LarsN: you could get a bit fancy, and write a custom modeller to "discover" instances on servers, then apply a template to each instance
[16-Aug-2010 13:57:57] <Simon4> which then scales nicely
[16-Aug-2010 13:58:40] <LarsN> that's a possibility, but was outside of the time constraints for this project.
[16-Aug-2010 13:58:58] <LarsN> going forward, that's going into my list of "future improvements" to make to our monitoring system.
[16-Aug-2010 13:59:01] <LarsN> thanks for the idea
[16-Aug-2010 14:00:26] <Simon4> np
[16-Aug-2010 14:01:40] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[16-Aug-2010 14:01:48] <mducharme-laptop> is there a way of integrating a wiki into zenoss
[16-Aug-2010 14:01:55] <mducharme-laptop> so that each device/location/etc could have a wiki page
[16-Aug-2010 14:02:16] <mducharme-laptop> which would appear as a tab under the device/location/etc
[16-Aug-2010 14:02:39] <Simon4> you could make a custom tab via a zenpack that pulled in the wiki page from an external wiki as an iframe possibly
[16-Aug-2010 14:02:55] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[16-Aug-2010 14:03:01] <Simon4> (off the top of my head)
[16-Aug-2010 14:03:14] <mducharme-laptop> it is just that there is sometimes information about a particular device/location that I would like to indicate in zenoss
[16-Aug-2010 14:03:20] <mducharme-laptop> but there is no nice field for the info I want to store
[16-Aug-2010 14:04:19] <mducharme-laptop> pulling a wiki page from an external wiki seems to me like a very manual process
[16-Aug-2010 14:04:20] <Simon4> you can also extend/add tabs/etc to the device object using zenpacks.. the example techniques zenpack showed some ideas for that
[16-Aug-2010 14:04:37] <Simon4> mducharme: not if the wiki page url somehow matched the device name
[16-Aug-2010 14:04:56] <Simon4> but yeah, it's stil a melding of two things, vs nice integration
[16-Aug-2010 14:06:37] <mducharme-laptop> I even just want to be able to say "this device depends on this one being available" or "this is in rack unit number 30"
[16-Aug-2010 14:07:32] <Simon4> you can't use the "comments" under the edit tab?
[16-Aug-2010 14:07:48] <Simon4> that appears on the status page under "Comments"
[16-Aug-2010 14:30:26] * ashp shoots snmp out of a cannon
[16-Aug-2010 14:30:35] <ashp> i can see the request come in from zenoss with tcpdump
[16-Aug-2010 14:30:39] <ashp> but it just seems to be silently ignored :(
[16-Aug-2010 14:31:23] <sapien> I am having problems viewing the details of an event. The trap is sent by a McAfee M1400 IDS. When I double click the event I get an error that says 'Server Exception, The server reported the following error: Unable to connect to the server. The system has encountered an error. Please reload the page.'
[16-Aug-2010 14:31:54] <sapien> has anyone seen anything like that?
[16-Aug-2010 14:32:44] <mray> sapien: which version?
[16-Aug-2010 14:32:52] <sapien> 3.0.1
[16-Aug-2010 14:32:58] <mray> sapien: and no, I haven't seen it but I'm looking for new bugs
[16-Aug-2010 14:33:54] <sapien> I have a feeling its a problem with the McAfee MIBs, because the only events that are giving me these problems are generated by the McAfee stuff I am monitoring
[16-Aug-2010 14:34:18] <mray> did this work with 2.5.2?
[16-Aug-2010 14:35:12] <sapien> i'm not sure if it did work with 2.5.2, I was just handed this project and installed 3.0.0, then upgraded to 3.0.1
[16-Aug-2010 14:35:23] <mray> ahh, ok
[16-Aug-2010 14:35:26] <sapien> it did not work in 3.0.1
[16-Aug-2010 14:35:32] <sapien> errr, 3.0.0
[16-Aug-2010 14:35:50] <mray> but other OIDs from other vendors are working?
[16-Aug-2010 14:36:14] <mray> s/OIDs/MIBs/
[16-Aug-2010 14:38:53] <sapien> yes, they seem to be working for the cisco devices i am monitoring
[16-Aug-2010 14:39:17] <mray> anything of interest in $ZENHOME/log/?
[16-Aug-2010 14:39:29] <mray> like a nice fat stack traace in events.log or z2.log?
[16-Aug-2010 14:39:34] <Zoidberg1> hey matt, do i want to create a ticket, or a testcase for that?
[16-Aug-2010 14:39:47] <mray> Zoidberg1: a ticket please
[16-Aug-2010 14:39:54] <RustIndy> howdy! is there a zenoss plugin for gearman available or in-progress that anyone knows about?
[16-Aug-2010 14:40:00] <mray> you can mark tickets with "Needs Testcase" I believe
[16-Aug-2010 14:40:22] <mray> RustIndy: no, but that's on my list of "cool things I'd like to do eventually" :)
[16-Aug-2010 14:40:28] LarsN is now known as LarsN_Away
[16-Aug-2010 14:40:40] <RustIndy> mray: thanks :)
[16-Aug-2010 14:40:41] <mray> of course, it's down the line behind lots of other cool things
[16-Aug-2010 14:40:51] <mray> I can help you out if you're working on one
[16-Aug-2010 14:41:04] <mray> I'd also like to see a Gearman datasource eventually
[16-Aug-2010 14:41:13] <rocket> mray: my list of things to work on keeps changing .. :p
[16-Aug-2010 14:41:33] <mray> rocket: yeah, once I clear out my "real work" I get to do "fun work"
[16-Aug-2010 14:41:45] <mray> #1 on my "fun work" list is Chef integration
[16-Aug-2010 14:41:52] <RustIndy> mray: it does look like i'll be starting on one this week since it doesn't already exist. i have to learn a bit more about zenoss first though :)
[16-Aug-2010 14:41:53] <mray> #2 is OpenStack monitoring
[16-Aug-2010 14:42:13] <sapien> mray: yes it does look like i'm getting some interesting things in event.log
[16-Aug-2010 14:42:19] <rocket> mray: heh I should show you my puppet/cobbler integration .. :)
[16-Aug-2010 14:42:39] <mray> rocket: yeah, be careful who you show that to, it might get productized :p
[16-Aug-2010 14:42:57] <rocket> ;)
[16-Aug-2010 14:43:09] <Simon4> please be productizing that :)
[16-Aug-2010 14:43:11] <mray> sapien: why don't you open a ticket on http://dev.zenoss.org for that with the stack trace and the MIB attached, maybe it's something we can fix
[16-Aug-2010 14:43:21] <rocket> all its missing is the zenoss piece to laydown a zenoss master at the moment ..
[16-Aug-2010 14:43:31] <sapien> ok, will do, thank you
[16-Aug-2010 14:43:41] <rocket> mray: it will build a cobbler server from scratch etc ..
[16-Aug-2010 14:44:11] <mray> rocket: yeah, my chef recipe will deploy zenoss and automatically add the devices to it
[16-Aug-2010 14:44:21] <Simon4> hmm.. it seems that getRRDValues doesn't return multiple values per datapoint name, even with start and end dates specified :/
[16-Aug-2010 14:44:24] <mray> right now it's in mocked-up mode
[16-Aug-2010 14:44:58] <Zoidberg1> matt, should I assign this to someone in particular?
[16-Aug-2010 14:45:13] <ashp> damn, this netapp thing seems to be a bug in 3.0.1 :I(
[16-Aug-2010 14:45:23] <ashp> because I can snmpwalk and find the volumes myself, grr
[16-Aug-2010 14:45:41] <cgibbons> well there's your problem
[16-Aug-2010 14:46:07] <mray> Zoidberg1: we have 2 defect reviews a week, we'll review it and assign it
[16-Aug-2010 14:46:24] <ashp> cgibbons: When I model a filer it won't find any disks and freaks out, it's very strange.
[16-Aug-2010 14:46:36] <ashp> 2010-08-16 15:45:06,011 WARNING zen.ZenModeler: zenoss.snmp.NetApp.LUNMap did not get any lunEntry data from hlsstg2.law.harvard.edu
[16-Aug-2010 14:46:40] <ashp> then it starts with the tracebacks
[16-Aug-2010 14:46:43] <cgibbons> messy
[16-Aug-2010 14:46:57] <ashp> http://pastebin.com/g1LY9uZs
[16-Aug-2010 14:47:16] <ashp> I tried adding the 'lun' template to the device and remodelling but that never helped.
[16-Aug-2010 15:09:21] <ashp> man, none of the reporting works either.. everything in 3.0.1 is broken in some fashion
[16-Aug-2010 15:09:43] <ashp> View Error Details
[16-Aug-2010 15:09:43] <ashp> Type:
[16-Aug-2010 15:09:44] <ashp> Value: viewDataTableMacro
[16-Aug-2010 15:09:49] <ashp> :/
[16-Aug-2010 15:45:48] <Orv> ashp: Yeah, I get that, too.
[16-Aug-2010 15:46:58] <ashp> Glad it's not just me
[16-Aug-2010 15:47:01] <ashp> I have so many tickets open right now :/
[16-Aug-2010 15:52:06] <Orv> Yeah. I just joined a corporate group evaluating NMS packages. I hope some of these bugs get ironed out before they get rolling on the evals :-/
[16-Aug-2010 15:52:33] <Orv> ashp: What part of reporting doesn't work for you?
[16-Aug-2010 15:52:36] <ashp> the stuff I did on 2.5 was pretty solid, so I'm hoping this all gets resolved
[16-Aug-2010 15:52:43] <ashp> Orv: the vmware was where I noticed it, but some other stuff is bust too
[16-Aug-2010 15:52:52] <Orv> OK.
[16-Aug-2010 16:00:15] <mray> We're going to have our QA staff in IRC on Thursday, anything broken or wonky in 3.0.1 let them know
[16-Aug-2010 16:00:24] <mray> writing up a blog post for it
[16-Aug-2010 16:01:45] <arrrghhh> 3.0.1 has been good for me, minus that huge leak in the google maps portlet which i had you make that bug for ;)
[16-Aug-2010 16:07:38] <sergeymasushko> is anyone around? I have a simple question in the threshold for swap usage I see : here.os.totalSwap / 1000 * 0.2
[16-Aug-2010 16:08:11] <arrrghhh> i'm not sure what your quesiton is.
[16-Aug-2010 16:08:23] <sergeymasushko> I need to something similar for the memory utilization... what is the corrcet value for that datasource?
[16-Aug-2010 16:08:24] <sergeymasushko> here.os. ...
[16-Aug-2010 16:08:39] <arrrghhh> totalMem i think... 1 sec.
[16-Aug-2010 16:08:50] <arrrghhh> either that or totalMemory, i would assume.
[16-Aug-2010 16:09:16] <sergeymasushko> data source called memAvailReal
[16-Aug-2010 16:09:46] <theacolyte> Alas, every bug I ever submitted was waylaid
[16-Aug-2010 16:10:14] <sergeymasushko> for the swap datasource called memTotalSwap ... so I am abit confused...
[16-Aug-2010 16:10:28] <arrrghhh> hrm.
[16-Aug-2010 16:10:44] <arrrghhh> i'm not exactly sure what you're looking at, and i can't find anything that would reference that in my 3.0.1 build. what version are you on?
[16-Aug-2010 16:11:21] <arrrghhh> ah, i think i found it.
[16-Aug-2010 16:11:26] <arrrghhh> memAvailReal looks like it.
[16-Aug-2010 16:11:36] <arrrghhh> i also have a memAvailSwap.
[16-Aug-2010 16:12:45] <sergeymasushko> arrrghhh: so if I'd like to create threshold for 15% I have to set the following: here.os.memAvailReal / 1000 * 0.15
[16-Aug-2010 16:12:46] <sergeymasushko> right?
[16-Aug-2010 16:26:29] <sergeymasushko> something wrong ;(
[16-Aug-2010 16:26:29] <sergeymasushko> zenoss User-supplied Python expression (here.os.memAvailReal / 1000 * 0.15) for minimum value caused error: ['memAvailReal_memAvailReal)
[16-Aug-2010 16:38:18] <arrrghhh> i don't know if you have to put in those calculations
[16-Aug-2010 16:38:37] <arrrghhh> try here.os.memAvailReal * 0.15
[16-Aug-2010 16:39:43] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[16-Aug-2010 16:40:10] <mducharme-laptop> trying to program in these redline stuff is so bloody wonky
[16-Aug-2010 16:40:19] <mducharme-laptop> er this redline stuff
[16-Aug-2010 16:46:35] <sergeymasushko> got the same event :(
[16-Aug-2010 16:46:36] <sergeymasushko> zenhub|User-supplied Python expression (here.os.memAvailReal * 0.15) for minimum value caused error: ['memAvailReal_memAvailReal']
[16-Aug-2010 16:50:28] <sergeymasushko> is there an idea how to write a correct rule?
[16-Aug-2010 16:50:39] <sergeymasushko> btw I'm using zenoss 2.5.2
[16-Aug-2010 17:02:23] <sergeymasushko> as far as I understand this bug is fixed in the 2.5.2 http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5978 right?
[16-Aug-2010 17:03:27] <arrrghhh> hrm
[16-Aug-2010 17:03:37] <arrrghhh> i am not sure
[16-Aug-2010 17:04:04] <arrrghhh> i'm by no means an expert tho. rmatte is usually one of the more helpful/less busy people in here, but he's on vaca.
[16-Aug-2010 17:04:17] <arrrghhh> for some strange reason, still logged into this channel haha.
[16-Aug-2010 17:04:29] <sergeymasushko> mray: Matt are you here?
[16-Aug-2010 17:06:36] <mray> yeah, I'm here
[16-Aug-2010 17:07:13] <sergeymasushko> mray: do you know this bug is fixed in 3.X.X http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/5978 ?
[16-Aug-2010 17:07:45] <mray> it's listed as fixed, are you seeing a regression?
[16-Aug-2010 17:08:09] <sergeymasushko> seems my 2.5.2 instalation has nof ix for it :(
[16-Aug-2010 17:09:19] <mray> hmm… it's listed in the 2.5.2 release notes as fixed
[16-Aug-2010 17:09:29] <arrrghhh> sergeymasushko, i don't think that bug is related to the problem you're having. based on my very novice opinion ;)
[16-Aug-2010 17:09:34] <mray> http://tr.im/core_2_5_2_tickets
[16-Aug-2010 17:09:47] <sergeymasushko> I see
[16-Aug-2010 17:11:17] <sergeymasushko> mray: just I created threshold with min value here.os.memAvailReal * 0.15 and get the event: zenhub|User-supplied Python expression (here.os.memAvailReal * 0.15) for minimum value caused error: ['memAvailReal_memAvailReal']
[16-Aug-2010 17:12:07] <sergeymasushko> the same thing for the here.getTotalBlocks() * .85 and here.os.memAvailReal / 1000 * 0.15
[16-Aug-2010 17:14:46] * sergeymasushko continue to hate FreeBSD...
[16-Aug-2010 17:17:04] <mray> hmm… I'm looking at my 3.0.1 install and I see here.getTotalBlocks() * .9
[16-Aug-2010 17:17:08] <mray> for disk usage
[16-Aug-2010 17:17:16] <mray> max value
[16-Aug-2010 17:17:35] <mray> are you actually gathering data?
[16-Aug-2010 17:20:19] <sergeymasushko> mray: yes... it works for the other thresholds...
[16-Aug-2010 17:28:05] <sergeymasushko> most interesting thing that this threshold is working and receive alarm regarding disk usage: threshold of high disk usage exceeded: current value 465609.00
[16-Aug-2010 18:28:38] <sergeymasushko> It works! here.getRRDValue('memAvailReal') * 0.15
[16-Aug-2010 18:28:52] <arrrghhh> ah, i see the problem.
[16-Aug-2010 18:29:05] <arrrghhh> cool, glad you got it sorted out. i never would've come to that conclusion :P
[16-Aug-2010 18:29:28] <sergeymasushko> :)
[16-Aug-2010 18:42:53] <mducharme> hrm
[16-Aug-2010 18:43:16] <mducharme> I wish there was a zenpack which had something close to what I want
[16-Aug-2010 18:45:50] <mducharme> these redlines are really complicated
[16-Aug-2010 18:45:59] <mducharme> I want to pull the list of subscriber units into the "interfaces" list
[16-Aug-2010 18:49:02] <mducharme> so I can graph the performance.. of course the problem is that some tables I want to graph use different indexes than others
[16-Aug-2010 18:49:19] <mducharme> but corresponding to the same interface
[16-Aug-2010 18:51:50] <mducharme> if only there was some META-SNMP thing
[16-Aug-2010 18:54:44] <mducharme> where I could rewrite queries to pull together snmp queries from various sources
[16-Aug-2010 19:52:23] <davidh38> hey guys, i installed zenoss on macosx leopard, but the only device which could bef ound was my mac on which zenoss runs
[16-Aug-2010 19:52:41] <davidh38> i tried to enable snmp with: sudo launchctl load -w /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/org.net-snmp.snmpd.plist
[16-Aug-2010 19:52:54] <davidh38> does anyone know, what i have to do?
[16-Aug-2010 19:54:07] <davidh38> to auto-discover my other devices on the network?
[16-Aug-2010 19:56:01] <sergeymasushko> davidh38: have you defined "Default Discovery Networks" ?
[16-Aug-2010 19:57:19] <sergeymasushko> davidh38: http://<your zenoss address>/zport/dmd/Monitors/Performance/localhost/editPerformanceConf
[16-Aug-2010 19:58:10] <davidh38> sergeymasushko, no i didnt, ill do so thank you
[16-Aug-2010 19:58:36] <mducharme> discovery is not all that it is cracked up to be, anyway
[16-Aug-2010 20:04:53] <davidh38> sergeymasushko: i did add my network and i marked localhost, but still no other devices are found
[16-Aug-2010 20:06:02] <sergeymasushko> davidh38: here is you can find several screen casts regarding zenoss configuration (hope it will help you): docs/DOC-2606
[16-Aug-2010 23:23:53] <davidh38> sergeymasushko, thanks that helped, i just didnt configure my admin pass right
[16-Aug-2010 23:38:22] <davidh38> though the devices are show, a network map isnt created, what could be the cause of the problem?
[16-Aug-2010 23:49:24] <davidh38> i work with safari, maybe i should dtry another browser
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[17-Aug-2010 00:04:02] <davidh38> has anyone any idea, if it could be a flashproblem
[17-Aug-2010 00:11:25] <willwh> davidh38: you have a google maps key in?
[17-Aug-2010 00:11:33] <willwh> and also - you need ot give your devices locations
[17-Aug-2010 00:12:04] <davidh38> wilwh: i have neither nor
[17-Aug-2010 00:14:09] <willwh> well - 2 problems to fix
[17-Aug-2010 00:14:10] <willwh> :)
[17-Aug-2010 00:14:14] <willwh> unless things changed in 3.
[17-Aug-2010 00:14:19] <willwh> I am running 2.5*
[17-Aug-2010 00:15:54] <davidh38> willwh, thanks but i cannot change the location manually in the device options. It says "none" under Location, but its not editable
[17-Aug-2010 00:16:10] <willwh> It sounds like you need to read the docs :)
[17-Aug-2010 00:16:35] <davidh38> willwh, damn i want it to work right away :)
[17-Aug-2010 00:16:52] <willwh> then you shouldn't be using zenoss :)
[17-Aug-2010 00:17:07] <willwh> haha
[17-Aug-2010 00:17:34] <davidh38> willwh, well do you have an alternative for a macosx system
[17-Aug-2010 00:17:53] <willwh> uh, I am kidding, ofc... everyone should use zenoss
[17-Aug-2010 00:18:01] <willwh> if they need to monitor systems
[17-Aug-2010 00:18:11] <willwh> I don't understand what you want to use it for? you mention osx?
[17-Aug-2010 00:18:19] <willwh> is this to monitor the machine you are using?!
[17-Aug-2010 00:18:25] * willwh is confused
[17-Aug-2010 00:18:48] <davidh38> willwh, i am running zenoss on my mac
[17-Aug-2010 00:18:56] <willwh> for....?
[17-Aug-2010 00:19:12] <davidh38> willwh: for network discovery, whereelse should it run?
[17-Aug-2010 00:19:51] <willwh> well, generally it's used to monitor lots of hardware - switches/routers/servers/etc
[17-Aug-2010 00:19:59] <willwh> applications
[17-Aug-2010 00:20:15] <willwh> if all you want is network discovery, you don't need zenoss :)
[17-Aug-2010 00:20:59] <davidh38> willwh: well, it looks like a great tool
[17-Aug-2010 00:21:21] <willwh> it certainly is
[17-Aug-2010 00:21:21] <davidh38> willwh: i just want to experiment with it with my own network
[17-Aug-2010 00:21:33] <willwh> alright - that is fairly straight forward
[17-Aug-2010 00:21:44] <willwh> I gtg unfortunately - I should be around tomorrow though :)
[17-Aug-2010 00:21:53] <davidh38> willwh: thanks for everything
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[17-Aug-2010 05:05:35] <fragfutter> are there plans for zenoss to support snmp v3?
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[17-Aug-2010 08:30:17] <Simon4> afternoon
[17-Aug-2010 08:30:24] <Simon4> anyone know if you can change the threshold for heartbeat errors?
[17-Aug-2010 08:30:34] * Simon4 has a flapping one that it would be nice to tune out for a little bit
[17-Aug-2010 08:36:45] <Disconnect> this is probably a stupid question, but googling isn't helping me. in the puppet zenoss module, it sets "zenosscollector" but never gives an example..
[17-Aug-2010 08:37:00] <Disconnect> the only other comment is "The collector used by Zenoss to collect the data for this device."
[17-Aug-2010 08:37:10] <Disconnect> what should I be setting there?
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[17-Aug-2010 08:39:41] <ashp> hey disconnect :)
[17-Aug-2010 08:39:49] <Disconnect> heya :)
[17-Aug-2010 08:39:58] <ashp> I haven't got around to the puppet module yet, that's on my todo list :)
[17-Aug-2010 08:40:34] <Disconnect> good. cuz its kinda .. lacking. it looks like a great start, but..
[17-Aug-2010 08:41:19] <ashp> Yeah, I have enough trouble with basic functionality and enterprise packs, yet alone 3rd party stuff yet
[17-Aug-2010 08:41:39] <Disconnect> any plans for a deb that isn't just a tar of a bunch of random daemons and crap? :) i forgot how fail that was..
[17-Aug-2010 08:42:07] <ashp> Luckily I used the rpm's so I didn't have any grief with packaging
[17-Aug-2010 08:42:26] <ashp> The next thing on my list of things to achieve with zenoss is horribly complicated and I have no idea how I'm going to start, I wonder if snmp can help me via traps
[17-Aug-2010 08:42:29] * Disconnect has a fast db server. its over there. (and even so, its already packaged for the dist..) and python comes preloaded. so do all the libs..
[17-Aug-2010 08:42:39] <ashp> my boss wants me to somehow monitor if all the filesystems in /etc/fstab are mounted
[17-Aug-2010 08:43:01] <ashp> well, by all the filesystems we mean "all the nfs ones"
[17-Aug-2010 08:44:04] <Disconnect> turn it around - define them in puppet, have puppet reporting throw errors that zenoss catches if the mounts don't mount..
[17-Aug-2010 08:44:41] <Disconnect> for that matter, just define them in puppet and make your mount definitions auto-add a zenoss monitor..
[17-Aug-2010 08:45:21] <ashp> That's something that I hadn't looked into yet, but really want to
[17-Aug-2010 08:45:25] <ashp> right now I manually added machines
[17-Aug-2010 08:45:26] <Disconnect> but yah, looks like the only thing available is the 'stack installer' (in 3 different forms) which is just a tarball of fail
[17-Aug-2010 08:45:39] <Disconnect> maybe this isn't the month to reevaluate zenoss.. :/
[17-Aug-2010 08:45:40] <ashp> but eventually I want to be able to integrate puppet and zenoss better, so I can make them auto-add monitors
[17-Aug-2010 08:45:53] <ashp> that's how I did it with nagios, I have if defined(class) stuff and then added nagios:: statements in there
[17-Aug-2010 08:45:57] <Disconnect> yah
[17-Aug-2010 08:46:05] <ashp> I have no idea how to build something similar with puppet as I'm not so hot on that kind of stuff
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[17-Aug-2010 09:02:26] <ashp> Question: _should_ zenoss pick up installed software via snmp
[17-Aug-2010 09:02:33] <ashp> because i notice it's actually in an snmpwalk
[17-Aug-2010 09:02:36] <ashp> but is ignored when modelling
[17-Aug-2010 09:02:41] <mray> ashp: it's ignored for Linux
[17-Aug-2010 09:02:47] <mray> the modeler is disabled by default
[17-Aug-2010 09:03:07] <ashp> Oh, hmm, how come?
[17-Aug-2010 09:03:13] <ashp> I mean it's useless information, I'm just curious
[17-Aug-2010 09:03:28] <mray> 1) it's potentially a huge list of packages and
[17-Aug-2010 09:03:32] <Simon4> we use it, it's tempting to replace it with a ssh version though
[17-Aug-2010 09:03:33] <mray> 2) it's useless information :p
[17-Aug-2010 09:03:42] <ashp> fair enough :)
[17-Aug-2010 09:03:47] <mray> modeling sometimes would time out
[17-Aug-2010 09:03:48] <ashp> man, I hope support picks up my netapp ticket today
[17-Aug-2010 09:03:55] <ashp> because that's bumming me out
[17-Aug-2010 09:03:55] <Simon4> yeah, fetching the list via snmp hurts
[17-Aug-2010 09:04:27] <mray> it also only works with RHEL/CentOS by default, there are Ubuntu/Debian instructions in the wiki
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[17-Aug-2010 09:07:01] <Grizmawe> Is there a developers guide for zenoss 3.0 in the works. Can only find 2.5 on the site....
[17-Aug-2010 09:07:37] <mray> Grizmawe: it's coming real soon
[17-Aug-2010 09:08:08] <Grizmawe> mray, thanks
[17-Aug-2010 09:10:27] <mray> there's supposed to be an API guide coming soon too
[17-Aug-2010 09:28:46] <ericenns> I am creating a zenpack and i am getting a WARNING zen.ApplyDataMap: no relationship:storagepools found on:hw (<class 'Products.ZenModel.DeviceHW.DeviceHW'> ) anyone ever encounter this
[17-Aug-2010 09:30:30] <cgibbons> yep
[17-Aug-2010 09:31:06] <ericenns> and I have this line in my __init__.py
[17-Aug-2010 09:31:12] <ericenns> DeviceHW._relations += (("storagepools", ToManyCont(ToOne, "ZenPacks.community.DellEqualLogicMon.StoragePool", "hw")), )
[17-Aug-2010 09:32:22] <ericenns> also i'm using deviceAdvDetail as information on how to do this
[17-Aug-2010 09:34:48] <cgibbons> I haven't ever tried monkeypatching any of the base device components like that to add new relations, usually I've created new subclasses off of a new device type. But I assume the deviceAdvDetail does it that way and it works for it?
[17-Aug-2010 09:35:55] <ericenns> I am basically trying to build a storagepool from a hardisk
[17-Aug-2010 09:37:09] <ericenns> there is alot more code to what im doing
[17-Aug-2010 09:37:37] <ericenns> im extending ComponentGridPanel
[17-Aug-2010 09:39:17] <cgibbons> you restarted zenhub after adding the relationship extension to DeviceHW in the zenpack code?
[17-Aug-2010 09:39:42] <ericenns> i also restart zenoss completely after code addition or modification
[17-Aug-2010 09:40:38] <cgibbons> if that line in your __init__ is doing it's job, you should be able to load up any device in zendmd and see if d.hw._relations has that change and then see if d.hw.storagepools exists.
[17-Aug-2010 09:41:57] <ericenns> how do i load up a device in zendmd
[17-Aug-2010 09:42:16] <jb> oh great
[17-Aug-2010 09:42:23] <jb> none of my WMI graphs have been working
[17-Aug-2010 09:42:24] <cgibbons> d=find('foobar') with foobar being your device name
[17-Aug-2010 09:42:37] <jb> and i just noticed.. after some perf data was requested :/
[17-Aug-2010 09:43:03] <jb> everything is "nan" on this collector
[17-Aug-2010 09:44:17] <jb> Exception bsddb.db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30977, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery') in ignored
[17-Aug-2010 09:44:30] <ericenns> d.hw._relations how do i access that
[17-Aug-2010 09:44:47] <jb> cgibbons: any chance you could help me out here?
[17-Aug-2010 09:57:55] <cgibbons> where are you seeing that log entry?
[17-Aug-2010 09:58:14] <jb> on a zenwinperf run
[17-Aug-2010 09:58:19] <jb> i just opened a ticket abou tit
[17-Aug-2010 09:58:25] <cgibbons> ok - i know what that is
[17-Aug-2010 09:58:43] <cgibbons> in the collector's perf directory, $ZENHOME/perf/Daemons/ you should see some zenwinperf* files
[17-Aug-2010 09:58:44] <cgibbons> 4 i think
[17-Aug-2010 09:59:04] <jb> yeah
[17-Aug-2010 09:59:18] <jb> 9
[17-Aug-2010 09:59:53] <cgibbons> ok, you can delete those 4 files, not the .rrd files for zenwinperf, but the others. Should be a .db and maybe a .pickle and a... (looking)
[17-Aug-2010 10:00:17] <jb> zenwinperf-configs.db zenwinperf_cyclePoints.rrd zenwinperf_devices.rrd zenwinperf-properties.pickle zenwinperf-thresholds.pickle
[17-Aug-2010 10:00:17] <jb> zenwinperf_configTime.rrd zenwinperf_dataPoints.rrd zenwinperf_eventQueueLength.rrd zenwinperf-threshold-classes.pickle
[17-Aug-2010 10:00:19] <jb> oops.. sorry
[17-Aug-2010 10:00:31] <cgibbons> yeah the .pickle files and the zenwinperf-config.db file
[17-Aug-2010 10:00:36] <cgibbons> and restart zenwinperf
[17-Aug-2010 10:00:47] <cgibbons> those are cache files for the configuration of the daemon, which it reloads every time it starts up.
[17-Aug-2010 10:01:02] <jb> ok
[17-Aug-2010 10:01:19] <cgibbons> we've seen them get corrupt a few times now, so we'll add some code in there to wax them if they get into that state
[17-Aug-2010 10:01:32] <jb> alright, let me try :)
[17-Aug-2010 10:04:36] <cgibbons> all good?
[17-Aug-2010 10:06:00] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[17-Aug-2010 10:06:05] <cgibbons> also which version are you on, 2.5.1 or 2.5.2?
[17-Aug-2010 10:16:30] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[17-Aug-2010 10:19:02] <ashp> this is a simple but dumb question - in 3 is it possible to rename classes you define anywhere?
[17-Aug-2010 10:19:05] <ashp> I can't find a UI way to do it
[17-Aug-2010 10:19:28] <jb> cgibbons: sorry.. had to step away for a min.. 2.5.2
[17-Aug-2010 10:19:33] <cgibbons> snap
[17-Aug-2010 10:19:54] <cgibbons> we 'fixed' that in defect 2053, that shipped in 2.5.2, but you clearly discovered another edge case
[17-Aug-2010 10:20:03] <cgibbons> any idea if this server crashed, or if zenwinperf crashed itself at some point?
[17-Aug-2010 10:20:07] <jb> nope
[17-Aug-2010 10:20:11] <jb> not that I am aware of
[17-Aug-2010 10:20:11] <jb> 2010-08-17 10:19:47,932 DEBUG zen.EnterpriseCollector.config: Unable to get remote configuration, result=ZenHub is down
[17-Aug-2010 10:20:12] <jb> hm
[17-Aug-2010 10:20:20] <jb> let me try restarting everything
[17-Aug-2010 10:21:32] <chachan> ashp, try this, go to "Advanced" > "Monitoring Templates"
[17-Aug-2010 10:22:23] <jb> ok, looks like we are back in business
[17-Aug-2010 10:22:28] <cgibbons> ok cool
[17-Aug-2010 10:22:32] <ashp> isn't that just for templates, i want to rename the actual classes you shove machines into
[17-Aug-2010 10:22:41] <jb> should I update that case?
[17-Aug-2010 10:22:46] <cgibbons> I'll have that defect reopened and we'll put a another bug fix in for one of the 3.x.x releases
[17-Aug-2010 10:24:01] <cgibbons> nooo
[17-Aug-2010 10:24:26] <chachan> ashp, I don't get what you want to do, are you meaning "local" ones?
[17-Aug-2010 10:24:47] <ashp> chachan: You know how you can add a subclass under say, Device/Server/Linux
[17-Aug-2010 10:25:02] <ashp> say I make Server/Linux/Apachee and realize it's a typo and wanted to change it without deleting and recreating the whole thing
[17-Aug-2010 10:25:05] <ashp> is that possible?
[17-Aug-2010 10:26:08] <chachan> ashp, I did it in "Advanced" > "Monitoring Templates"
[17-Aug-2010 10:26:18] <ashp> Oh, hmm, I couldn't even find them there.
[17-Aug-2010 10:26:33] <chachan> just select Server/Linux/Apachee
[17-Aug-2010 10:26:49] <chachan> and click on that button that I mentioned
[17-Aug-2010 10:27:45] <ashp> That's what I mean, in monitoring templates I don't have any Server/Linux stuff..
[17-Aug-2010 10:29:41] <st3v3o> mray: in the zenpack publishing backlog…there is Exchange 2007 WMI….I didn't see it in SVN yet..is there any way I can get ahold of that zenpack for testing ?
[17-Aug-2010 10:30:14] <cyril_> hey guys, if I put multiple email addresses into the adress field under alerts, with a ; will that work?
[17-Aug-2010 10:30:48] <mray> st3v3o: yeah, PM me your email and I'll forward it to you
[17-Aug-2010 10:31:09] <st3v3o> cool thanks
[17-Aug-2010 10:31:11] <cyril_> i dont want to take a server down to test :)
[17-Aug-2010 10:32:44] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[17-Aug-2010 10:43:19] <fragfutter> are there plans for zenoss to support snmp v3?
[17-Aug-2010 10:45:45] <ericenns> if I modify something in my __init__.py under def install will it run nexttime i restart zenoss?
[17-Aug-2010 10:45:59] <ericenns> in a template I am developing of course
[17-Aug-2010 10:46:34] <ericenns> if not can i manually make that codee execute
[17-Aug-2010 10:46:48] <chachan> fragfutter, I think that zenoss already supports v3
[17-Aug-2010 10:47:08] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[17-Aug-2010 10:47:09] <mray> fragfutter: there's support for SNMPv3 already, just not traps
[17-Aug-2010 10:48:32] <fragfutter> and where would i set this up?
[17-Aug-2010 10:49:39] <fragfutter> scratch last line
[17-Aug-2010 10:50:05] <fragfutter> its in zProperties, where else
[17-Aug-2010 10:50:13] <fragfutter> zSnmpVersion
[17-Aug-2010 10:50:19] <fragfutter> (just for the log)
[17-Aug-2010 11:39:22] <ericenns> I am having an error with my template
[17-Aug-2010 11:39:28] <ericenns> i mean zenpack
[17-Aug-2010 11:41:59] <ericenns> it may be something to do with python 2.6
[17-Aug-2010 11:44:30] <mray> what's the issue? pastebin it if you can
[17-Aug-2010 11:45:24] <ericenns> http://pastebin.com/kfBTRS0C
[17-Aug-2010 11:46:21] <ericenns> basically the problemn is in my __init__.py I want to set the default modeler plugins for any device in /network/SAN/EqualLogic
[17-Aug-2010 11:47:16] <st3v3o> anyone have some good WMI foo ?
[17-Aug-2010 11:47:52] <ericenns> used this to figure out how to do it http://zenpacks.zenoss.org/trac-zenpacks/browser/zenpacks/ZenPacks.community.NWMon/ZenPacks/community/NWMon/__init__.py
[17-Aug-2010 11:48:51] <st3v3o> I"m using the following query to grab more detailed mem usage SELECT CommittedBytes,AvailableBytes,CacheBytes,PagesPersec FROM Win32_PerfFormattedData_PerfOS_Memory
[17-Aug-2010 11:49:24] <st3v3o> It seems to be accurate on the 1st two host the template was bound to…but the third its showing double the RAM
[17-Aug-2010 11:52:13] <st3v3o> Anyone know why it might pull incorrect stats
[17-Aug-2010 11:54:33] <mray> ericenns: I think this has what you're trying to do: http://zenpacks.zenoss.org/trac-zenpacks/browser/zenpacks/ZenPacks.community.Cfengine/ZenPacks/community/Cfengine/__init__.py
[17-Aug-2010 11:54:40] <mray> adding another modeling plugin?
[17-Aug-2010 11:55:13] <mducharme-laptop> well today I am probably moving zenoss to a new server
[17-Aug-2010 11:55:29] <ericenns> yes adding another modeler plugin thanks
[17-Aug-2010 11:55:30] <mducharme-laptop> we have had zenoss running in production off the rpath appliance
[17-Aug-2010 11:55:37] <mducharme-laptop> which is not optimal
[17-Aug-2010 11:55:56] <mducharme-laptop> now I have to move it off the rpath appliance onto a new server
[17-Aug-2010 11:56:04] <mducharme-laptop> is there a procedure somewhere for doing that?
[17-Aug-2010 11:56:30] <mducharme-laptop> I found one online
[17-Aug-2010 11:56:32] <mducharme-laptop> but it's from 2008
[17-Aug-2010 11:56:41] <mducharme-laptop> not sure if it's still the same today
[17-Aug-2010 11:58:34] <mray> mducharme-laptop: Chapter 10 of the install guide covers migrating from the source install to the stack install, it's a similar process. Zenbackup, install your zenpacks on the new install and zenrestore
[17-Aug-2010 11:58:46] <mducharme-laptop> ok
[17-Aug-2010 11:58:51] <mducharme-laptop> any gotchas going from 32-bit to 64-bit?
[17-Aug-2010 11:59:01] <mray> all your RRD graphs are no good
[17-Aug-2010 11:59:13] <mray> somewhere on the wiki are instructions for fixing them
[17-Aug-2010 11:59:19] <mray> rrdtool something or other
[17-Aug-2010 11:59:47] <mray> we will have better migration instructions soon, the rpath appliance is being replaced with a CentOS one
[17-Aug-2010 11:59:49] <mducharme-laptop> ok
[17-Aug-2010 12:00:05] <mray> but soon being weeks rather than today :)
[17-Aug-2010 12:00:43] <mducharme-laptop> right
[17-Aug-2010 12:00:50] <mducharme-laptop> it's just the rpath appliance is overloaded
[17-Aug-2010 12:00:53] <mducharme-laptop> with the number of devices we have
[17-Aug-2010 12:01:00] <mducharme-laptop> it's cpu is maxed, and it's really slow
[17-Aug-2010 12:01:06] <mducharme-laptop> esp now that it's receiving syslog and traps
[17-Aug-2010 12:01:16] <mray> yeah, it's a pain to use for production
[17-Aug-2010 12:01:37] <mray> so we're switching over to CentOS so it behaves more like regular installs
[17-Aug-2010 12:01:55] <mducharme-laptop> that makes excellent sense
[17-Aug-2010 12:02:35] <mducharme-laptop> btw.. when you make the new appliance, perhaps make it so that it can be loaded in either vmware workstation / server or esx/esxi
[17-Aug-2010 12:03:03] <mducharme-laptop> I get sick of having to convert vm's to run in esxi, it's always because of the hard disk being an unsupported type
[17-Aug-2010 12:03:56] <mray> Alvarion Wireless ZenPack updated for 3.0 compatibility: docs/DOC-3439
[17-Aug-2010 12:04:17] <cgibbons> what marketing weenie came up with Alvarion for a product name?
[17-Aug-2010 12:04:33] <mray> beats me, almost as lame as Avalon
[17-Aug-2010 12:08:01] <mducharme-laptop> hrm I can' tseem to find that thing on the wiki mray
[17-Aug-2010 12:09:56] <mducharme-laptop> I could just delete my old graph data though, couldn't I?
[17-Aug-2010 12:10:38] <ericenns> yes deleting old graph data wont hurt anything
[17-Aug-2010 12:10:55] <mray> mducharme-laptop: here's a forum post that seems to cover it message/27860
[17-Aug-2010 12:11:02] <mray> maybe it was the forums, not the wiki
[17-Aug-2010 12:12:07] <mducharme-laptop> ahh!
[17-Aug-2010 12:12:09] <mducharme-laptop> cool, thanks!!
[17-Aug-2010 12:13:30] <mducharme-laptop> network operations director is quitting
[17-Aug-2010 12:13:36] <mducharme-laptop> so we are having to accellerate our move to zenoss
[17-Aug-2010 12:14:14] <mducharme-laptop> because I have no idea how to manage nagios
[17-Aug-2010 12:19:37] <arrrghhh> hey all. couple of questions. in 3.0.x - isn't there a global search bar in the top right, or is that just enterprise?
[17-Aug-2010 12:21:00] <arrrghhh> and, perhaps more complex... i have a ton of routers that i have graphs on throughput, packets and errors on the serial T1 interfaces. there's one router that i have that i'm only getting throughput on...
[17-Aug-2010 12:21:54] <mray> arrrghhh: docs/DOC-7453
[17-Aug-2010 12:22:34] <mray> it's in a zenpack now, there will be an example for plugging in new search types for this month's tip of the month
[17-Aug-2010 12:23:05] <mray> it'll be back in the product in 3.1, but the pluggable search types are going to be handy
[17-Aug-2010 12:23:44] <arrrghhh> huh
[17-Aug-2010 12:23:46] <arrrghhh> cool thanks.
[17-Aug-2010 12:29:11] <arrrghhh> is it included in enterprise?
[17-Aug-2010 12:29:58] <mray> enterprise has more search functionality
[17-Aug-2010 12:29:58] <ashp> damn, I don't know what to do now. support can't repeat my netapp issue
[17-Aug-2010 12:30:04] <ashp> i can't even model a netapp, it just freaks out
[17-Aug-2010 12:30:11] <mray> arrrghhh: at least in 3.0
[17-Aug-2010 12:30:14] <cgibbons> i know what I would do
[17-Aug-2010 12:30:18] <arrrghhh> mray, cool thanks.
[17-Aug-2010 12:30:20] <mducharme-laptop> btw one other question
[17-Aug-2010 12:30:32] <mducharme-laptop> is there some way to automatically purge event history older than a certain date
[17-Aug-2010 12:30:35] <mducharme-laptop> or does it just keep events forever
[17-Aug-2010 12:30:37] <ashp> They did list some patches but looking at the diffs none of them even seem remotely related
[17-Aug-2010 12:30:55] <mducharme-laptop> because we are getting lots of events now
[17-Aug-2010 12:31:01] <mducharme-laptop> that we have snmp and syslog set up
[17-Aug-2010 12:31:09] <mducharme-laptop> I am worried about disk filling up with old events
[17-Aug-2010 12:31:17] <mray> mducharme-laptop: Events-Event Manager->Delete HIstorical Events Older Than (days)
[17-Aug-2010 12:31:33] * mray is off to lunch
[17-Aug-2010 12:31:50] <arrrghhh> enjoy!
[17-Aug-2010 12:34:15] <arrrghhh> hrm. looks like one t1 is listed as type 'ppp' and the other is 'frame-relay'
[17-Aug-2010 12:58:37] <arrrghhh> is there a way to disable a monitoring template without deleting it?
[17-Aug-2010 13:02:55] * mducharme-laptop has a lot of work to do setting up event transforms
[17-Aug-2010 13:04:13] <mray> arrrghhh: just unbind it
[17-Aug-2010 13:04:37] <arrrghhh> i was going to ask how...
[17-Aug-2010 13:05:37] <arrrghhh> ack, it's a performance template not a monitoring template... d'oh.
[17-Aug-2010 13:31:47] <arrrghhh> so uh... can i unbind performance templates? i'm not seeing where.
[17-Aug-2010 13:32:04] <arrrghhh> i guess i shouldn't have upgraded, i was just getting used to the layout in 2.x haha.
[17-Aug-2010 13:33:47] <mducharme-laptop> I'm going to wait for the flurry of new bugs to calm down
[17-Aug-2010 13:33:56] <mducharme-laptop> before I upgrade
[17-Aug-2010 13:34:01] <mducharme-laptop> I'm quite happy on zenoss 2.5.2
[17-Aug-2010 13:35:47] <mducharme-laptop> this may be a weird question
[17-Aug-2010 13:35:56] <mducharme-laptop> but do I need to install python before installing the zenoss stack?
[17-Aug-2010 13:35:59] <mducharme-laptop> or does it install its own python?
[17-Aug-2010 13:36:08] <arrrghhh> the stack takes care of it all (to my knowledge).
[17-Aug-2010 13:36:23] <mducharme-laptop> that's what I figured, but I just wanted to check
[17-Aug-2010 13:36:27] <arrrghhh> if you compiled from sources, then yes you would have to resolve all those dependencies by yourself.
[17-Aug-2010 13:38:09] <mducharme-laptop> nah I wouldn't do that, that would be nuts heh
[17-Aug-2010 13:56:29] <mducharme-laptop> hrm strange
[17-Aug-2010 13:56:33] <mducharme-laptop> my dependencies are fine
[17-Aug-2010 13:59:31] <arrrghhh> are you having problems with the stack installer?
[17-Aug-2010 14:03:30] <mducharme-laptop> no heh
[17-Aug-2010 14:03:36] <mducharme-laptop> sorry, layer 3 dependencies
[17-Aug-2010 14:03:40] <mducharme-laptop> I'm still setting up the new server
[17-Aug-2010 14:03:42] <mducharme-laptop> haven't done anything yet
[17-Aug-2010 14:03:48] <mducharme-laptop> but I have this one site that is down
[17-Aug-2010 14:03:48] <arrrghhh> oh
[17-Aug-2010 14:03:48] <arrrghhh> ok
[17-Aug-2010 14:03:50] <mducharme-laptop> the dependencies are fine
[17-Aug-2010 14:03:58] <mducharme-laptop> so it doesn't show the devices behind it as being down
[17-Aug-2010 14:04:02] <mducharme-laptop> but they show "snmp down"
[17-Aug-2010 14:04:16] <arrrghhh> and you've setup all your community strings, etc?
[17-Aug-2010 14:04:22] <arrrghhh> can you snmpwalk the device manually?
[17-Aug-2010 14:04:24] <mducharme-laptop> so the dependencies work, but it only seems to prevent it from trying to ping the devices behind it
[17-Aug-2010 14:04:38] <mducharme-laptop> well you do not understand.. I have a router which has behind it a switch and an access point
[17-Aug-2010 14:04:42] <mducharme-laptop> the router is down
[17-Aug-2010 14:04:47] <mducharme-laptop> the switch and access point show snmp down
[17-Aug-2010 14:05:00] <arrrghhh> ok...
[17-Aug-2010 14:05:03] <mducharme-laptop> it should not even bother checking those when the router is down
[17-Aug-2010 14:05:13] <arrrghhh> well if one goes down, so do the others.
[17-Aug-2010 14:05:18] <arrrghhh> same thing happens at my sites.
[17-Aug-2010 14:07:06] <arrrghhh> i guess you're trying to do something more advanced... i don't care if it shows as other devices down, that's to be expected.
[17-Aug-2010 14:11:27] <ashp> Alright, this should be ambitious, time to translate an old .pl used in nagios into a zenoss template
[17-Aug-2010 14:18:26] <mducharme-laptop> arrghhh my concern is mostly about email
[17-Aug-2010 14:18:29] <gemineye> Has anyone noticed if you unlink graphs and then relink them on 3.0.1, they don't really relink?
[17-Aug-2010 14:18:29] <mducharme-laptop> when emails go out about tickets
[17-Aug-2010 14:20:30] <ashp> Is there anything in the docs about making templates, specifically stuff like changing from gauge to other types for snmp (rrd type)
[17-Aug-2010 14:20:37] <ashp> I don't know what the types mean so I can't pick sensible values for the things
[17-Aug-2010 14:20:51] <ashp> 10.220.254.251
[17-Aug-2010 14:20:55] <ashp> whoops, wrong window, sorry.
[17-Aug-2010 14:23:00] <ashp> Hmm, so I guess for a percentage of battery I leave it as GAUGE. I'm not sure if that changes if I want to chart things... hmm
[17-Aug-2010 14:28:24] <Simon4> gah, seems that getRRDValue is exposed via the api, but fetchRRDValue isn't :/
[17-Aug-2010 14:28:45] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[17-Aug-2010 14:35:52] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[17-Aug-2010 14:36:41] <Egyptian[web]> afternoon
[17-Aug-2010 14:36:55] <twm1010> bigegor: Do you have a moment for a question?
[17-Aug-2010 14:37:08] <Egyptian[web]> this article http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/products/?p=1443 says zenoss is a pain to install... is this true?
[17-Aug-2010 14:38:09] <cgibbons> no... maybe he did a source install (that is)
[17-Aug-2010 14:38:11] <Simon4> yum install zenoss
[17-Aug-2010 14:38:15] <Simon4> last I checked :)
[17-Aug-2010 14:38:54] <Egyptian[web]> danke
[17-Aug-2010 14:39:31] <Simon4> cgibbons: any idea why I can call (via http) devname/getRRDValue?dsName=fred but can't call devname/fetchRRDValue?blah=blah&foo=foo ? I get a 404 on the fetchRRDValue call, yet it works in zendmd
[17-Aug-2010 14:40:23] * Simon4 is trying to expose rrd values to external toys using the zenoss api some
[17-Aug-2010 14:40:41] <cgibbons> no idea without debugging
[17-Aug-2010 14:41:03] <Simon4> there's not something that specifies that only certain function calls are exposed via http?
[17-Aug-2010 14:41:21] * Simon4 shalt keep digging :)
[17-Aug-2010 14:41:39] <cgibbons> check RRDView.py
[17-Aug-2010 14:41:51] <Simon4> yeah, that's where I found the function
[17-Aug-2010 14:41:54] <Simon4> works a charm in zendmd
[17-Aug-2010 14:43:56] <Simon4> I just can't see why getRRDxxxx would work and fetchRRDxxxx doesn't, since there's no discernible difference
[17-Aug-2010 14:46:53] <bigegor> twm1010: yes
[17-Aug-2010 14:50:17] <twm1010> the advanced device details and insight zenpacks
[17-Aug-2010 14:50:40] <twm1010> those collectors work off SNMP for that data? how does that fit in with say... wmi based modeling. as far as organizing your device classes
[17-Aug-2010 14:51:00] <ashp> With the latest release, we made changes to the netapp zenpack to make it more compatible with OS 8.x, and 7.3.3, but it appears in doing so we may have regresses support for prior versions.
[17-Aug-2010 14:51:07] <ashp> Haha, we're living in the past, typical :)
[17-Aug-2010 14:51:08] <twm1010> do you typically do /CIM/Windows/HPServers/../.. ?
[17-Aug-2010 14:52:00] <twm1010> ashp: hrmm... makes sense tho, netapp's 8.x o/s is really a merge between ontap and ontapgx right?
[17-Aug-2010 14:52:16] <ashp> Beats me, I don't do much with netapps
[17-Aug-2010 14:53:11] <twm1010> where did you read that
[17-Aug-2010 14:53:11] <twm1010> ?
[17-Aug-2010 14:58:21] <bigegor> twm1010: hmm, difficult question
[17-Aug-2010 14:59:30] <bigegor> twn1010: if you have SNMP on server you don't realy need WMI only modeling
[17-Aug-2010 14:59:36] <twm1010> i noticed that the WMI modeling gives me the physical disk I/O, which is nice, but i'd also like the RIAD stauts, etc.
[17-Aug-2010 15:00:07] <twm1010> hrmm... I see... I was using the WMI modeling on some of our "windows" cisco servers, that don't use a normal SNMP agent
[17-Aug-2010 15:00:39] <twm1010> and i also don't like installing SNMP informant, if I don't have to
[17-Aug-2010 15:01:05] <bigegor> twm1010: in my environment, i'm using SNMP modeling and harware monitoring, with WMI monitoring for SMU, Memory, Exchange, IIS
[17-Aug-2010 15:01:08] <ashp> oh god, apparently we can't move to ontap 7.3
[17-Aug-2010 15:01:13] <ashp> because our shelves don't support it, urghhhhhhhhh
[17-Aug-2010 15:01:31] <twm1010> the firmware? or the shelf itself?
[17-Aug-2010 15:02:58] <twm1010> bigegor: ok, thanks, i'll have to think it over, the WMI stuff appeared very clean to me. everything seemed very uniform, better templates, i like the result
[17-Aug-2010 15:05:59] <bigegor> twm1010: can be, in near future, i'll release CIM Hardware Monitoring zenpack
[17-Aug-2010 15:08:50] <twm1010> bigegor: I may just wait then.
[17-Aug-2010 15:10:31] <arrrghhh> mducharme-laptop, we talked about that before. if your rules were more granular, it'd be a lot easier.
[17-Aug-2010 15:21:37] <Simon4> w00t!
[17-Aug-2010 15:22:07] <Simon4> cgibbons: sorted - functions with """ style doco get exported via http api, others don't
[17-Aug-2010 15:22:26] <ashp> alright, now to figure out importing mibs
[17-Aug-2010 15:22:29] <cgibbons> ah right
[17-Aug-2010 15:22:34] <ashp> twm1010: i don't know if it's the shelf or firmware
[17-Aug-2010 15:22:38] <ashp> twm1010: that came from the guy who deals with 'em
[17-Aug-2010 15:22:41] <cgibbons> i remember that most asinine feature of zope
[17-Aug-2010 15:22:50] <Simon4> that one hurt the brain for a while
[17-Aug-2010 15:34:54] <ashp> hmm, maybe you can't 'import' mib files
[17-Aug-2010 15:41:35] <mducharme-laptop> ashp - use the mib browser plugin
[17-Aug-2010 15:41:41] <mducharme-laptop> it lets you import through the web interface
[17-Aug-2010 15:42:11] <mistich> hello all
[17-Aug-2010 15:42:22] <ashp> Oh, neat, I just found instructions to do some kind of zenmib stuff
[17-Aug-2010 15:43:04] <mistich> have a question I copied a instance of zenoss to another box and when I run the add device it says
[17-Aug-2010 15:43:05] <mistich> 2010-08-17 20:36:19INFO zen.ZenDiscConnecting to oldboxname:8789
[17-Aug-2010 15:44:02] <mducharme-laptop> mistich - go into management/collectors
[17-Aug-2010 15:44:37] <mducharme-laptop> your collector is probably named for your old server
[17-Aug-2010 15:44:48] <mducharme-laptop> mine is just set up for localhost so if the server name ever changes it won't break
[17-Aug-2010 15:45:03] <mistich> Hostname and ZEO host are localhost
[17-Aug-2010 15:46:42] <mducharme-laptop> yes but do you know what I mean collectors?
[17-Aug-2010 15:46:47] <mducharme-laptop> management on the left side, collectors
[17-Aug-2010 15:47:03] <mistich> yes when in there
[17-Aug-2010 15:47:18] <mducharme-laptop> and it's localhost?
[17-Aug-2010 15:47:58] <mistich> found it was in the conf files and was looking at the wrong box
[17-Aug-2010 15:49:23] <mducharme-laptop> I'm about to move my zenoss to a new box, but my new one will have the same name and ip as the old one
[17-Aug-2010 15:50:11] <mistich> yeah I have several zenoss installs and was looking at the wrong one
[17-Aug-2010 16:00:05] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[17-Aug-2010 16:17:03] <sytem> hmmm, is it normal that mysql creates mysqld_general_query.log ?
[17-Aug-2010 16:17:19] <sytem> 8G after yesterday
[17-Aug-2010 16:20:04] <sytem> is it somehow related to backups or is it just for debugging?
[17-Aug-2010 16:20:45] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[17-Aug-2010 16:39:08] <sytem> found reason why that log floods, one machine have filesystems read-only and sends some 4k events in minute about that
[17-Aug-2010 16:40:10] <sytem> this time grouping-rule works and that didnt show in myslq rowcount
[17-Aug-2010 16:42:46] <sytem> machine flooding about read-only /var/ is actually removed from production and waiting for shutdown, so nobody have done anything to actual problem
[17-Aug-2010 17:07:56] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[17-Aug-2010 17:08:09] <mducharme-laptop> does zenoss start doing zenpings less frequently after a device has been down for a long time?
[17-Aug-2010 17:15:03] <mducharme-laptop> this is annoying
[17-Aug-2010 17:15:06] <infin-01> Hey quick question
[17-Aug-2010 17:15:08] <mducharme-laptop> this device has been up for 2 hours now
[17-Aug-2010 17:15:12] <infin-01> well might not be so quick
[17-Aug-2010 17:15:13] <mducharme-laptop> yet zenoss still says it is down
[17-Aug-2010 17:15:16] <infin-01> but its with version 3.0.1
[17-Aug-2010 17:15:21] <mducharme-laptop> it doesn't look like zenping is even trying to ping it anymore
[17-Aug-2010 17:15:21] <infin-01> built under Solarisd
[17-Aug-2010 17:15:25] <infin-01> erm Solaris
[17-Aug-2010 17:16:03] <mducharme-laptop> I had to reset the ip
[17-Aug-2010 17:16:11] <infin-01> Seems I add a device and let it model it.. but nothing really shows up on the device summary page
[17-Aug-2010 17:16:14] <infin-01> it just kinda seems to hang
[17-Aug-2010 17:17:21] <infin-01> nothing of interest in the log files either
[17-Aug-2010 17:17:28] <infin-01> except for it saying invalid SNMP community
[17-Aug-2010 17:17:38] <infin-01> which is a given since I can't even get to where you go to set it
[17-Aug-2010 17:18:17] <infin-01> Like, I select the device and all I see is a dropdown for Monitoring Templates
[17-Aug-2010 17:18:24] <infin-01> with Device (/Server/Solaris)
[17-Aug-2010 17:18:29] <infin-01> and nothing else can be selected
[17-Aug-2010 17:18:47] <infin-01> the pane on the right shows the fields
[17-Aug-2010 17:18:49] <infin-01> like Collector
[17-Aug-2010 17:18:52] <infin-01> Systems
[17-Aug-2010 17:18:53] <infin-01> groups
[17-Aug-2010 17:18:54] <infin-01> but
[17-Aug-2010 17:18:56] <infin-01> they are all blank
[17-Aug-2010 17:20:19] <mducharme-laptop> hrm that was somewhat annoying
[17-Aug-2010 17:20:34] <mducharme-laptop> it looks like zenoss knew the device was back up since 3.14pm
[17-Aug-2010 17:20:36] <mducharme-laptop> two hours ago
[17-Aug-2010 17:20:53] <mducharme-laptop> but the device was still red in the gui and still appeared as down
[17-Aug-2010 17:20:57] <mducharme-laptop> must have been some kind of glitch
[17-Aug-2010 17:21:03] <infin-01> heh
[17-Aug-2010 17:21:06] <infin-01> argh.
[17-Aug-2010 17:21:17] <mducharme-laptop> I reset the ip
[17-Aug-2010 17:21:26] <mducharme-laptop> and then it sent out an email saying the device was up since 3:14pm
[17-Aug-2010 17:21:40] <mducharme-laptop> and the events are gone now
[17-Aug-2010 17:21:44] <mducharme-laptop> it cleared them
[17-Aug-2010 17:23:42] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[17-Aug-2010 17:23:43] <mducharme-laptop> it's like the process to clear the events got stuck
[17-Aug-2010 17:23:48] <mducharme-laptop> I reset the ip and suddenly it processed
[17-Aug-2010 22:36:28] <Parabola> its me, bender
[17-Aug-2010 22:43:04] <infinity-01> Okay, I fixed my problem
[17-Aug-2010 22:43:27] <infinity-01> however it would be *REALLY* nice to know how to disable change history logging when modeling devices
[17-Aug-2010 22:43:33] <infinity-01> since it pretty much spams itself to death
[17-Aug-2010 22:46:23] <infinity-01> ./Products/ZenModel/migrate/zCollectorLogChanges.py
[17-Aug-2010 22:46:25] <infinity-01> oh wait
[17-Aug-2010 22:46:32] <infinity-01> set the default to false I guess?
[17-Aug-2010 23:00:25] Orv is now known as Orv_Napa
[17-Aug-2010 23:12:01] <infinity-01> Okay next OS Processes seems broken
[17-Aug-2010 23:26:34] <infinity-01> like really uhm.. broken.
[17-Aug-2010 23:26:57] <infinity-01> hopefully someone says something by tomorrow lol.
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[18-Aug-2010 02:53:08] * Simon4 awakens
[18-Aug-2010 03:17:29] <frozty_sa> Simon4: I've been hoping the past 3 weeks are a dream...
[18-Aug-2010 03:20:03] <Simon4> a good dream?
[18-Aug-2010 03:22:21] * Simon4 heads to the office, back in about 45
[18-Aug-2010 04:15:38] <Heebie> Hi. I haven't been able to find any reference to monitoring volume groups for space usage.. and this is becoming pretty important for cloud infrastructure (IAAS).. has anyone come up with a way to do this as of yet that I've just missed in the forums etc..?
[18-Aug-2010 04:31:46] <frozty_sa> Simon4: not even close
[18-Aug-2010 04:57:09] <Simon4> frozty_sa: bugger :/
[18-Aug-2010 04:57:25] <Simon4> check this out: http://lol.nzdance.net/ajaxgraphs.png
[18-Aug-2010 04:57:34] * Simon4 has been playing with client-side graphing :)
[18-Aug-2010 05:23:16] <frozty_sa> flot?
[18-Aug-2010 05:23:23] <frozty_sa> ah yeah, looks like
[18-Aug-2010 05:23:30] * frozty_sa wants to at some point
[18-Aug-2010 05:23:58] <frozty_sa> I pretty much haven't even gotten to any of the dev work I wanted to start on like 3 weeks ago
[18-Aug-2010 05:38:29] <Simon4> frozty_sa: yeah, flot - easy as
[18-Aug-2010 05:38:43] * Simon4 has been dev'ing in the evenings, much to the grumpyness of the wife
[18-Aug-2010 05:39:02] <frozty_sa> I haven't had evenings :(
[18-Aug-2010 05:40:37] <Simon4> gack :/
[18-Aug-2010 06:19:14] <st3v3o> morning
[18-Aug-2010 07:54:20] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[18-Aug-2010 08:23:00] <chemist> hello zenoss masters :)
[18-Aug-2010 08:24:32] <chemist> I have zenoss 2.5.2 running on a host (lets call it host_a.mydomain) and a remote collector on host_b.mydomain
[18-Aug-2010 08:24:57] <chemist> I need to chnage the name of both hosts, what do I need to change?
[18-Aug-2010 08:25:08] <chemist> in zenoss that is
[18-Aug-2010 08:46:41] <Heebie> Hi. I haven't been able to find any reference to monitoring volume groups for space usage.. and this is becoming pretty important for cloud infrastructure (IAAS).. has anyone come up with a way to do this as of yet that I've just missed in the forums etc..?
[18-Aug-2010 09:33:17] <JonnyV> morning guys
[18-Aug-2010 09:38:43] <JonnyV> guys how often should i see log files are modified?
[18-Aug-2010 09:43:15] <JonnyV> they arent of too much help. logs are from one day old practically
[18-Aug-2010 10:24:31] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[18-Aug-2010 10:47:39] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[18-Aug-2010 11:08:14] <ericenns> I am getting stumped at creating my own component organizer viewer help?!?
[18-Aug-2010 11:14:47] <ptom> Hi All, hoping someone can assist. writing a report in zenoss to pull rrd values. The problem I am having is that my interface is called "Ethernet Interface" and I am not sure how to escape that space.
[18-Aug-2010 11:15:45] <ptom> I have something like this.
[18-Aug-2010 11:15:51] <ptom> python:device.os.interfaces.Ethernet Interface.getRRDValue('ifInOctets_ifInOctets')
[18-Aug-2010 11:16:03] <ptom> but the report fails compilation
[18-Aug-2010 11:16:09] <ptom> any ideas?
[18-Aug-2010 11:16:35] <ericenns> have you tried this just pulled out of thin air python:device.os.interfaces.Ethernet\ Interface.getRRDValue('ifInOctets_ifInOctets')
[18-Aug-2010 11:17:13] <ptom> yep
[18-Aug-2010 11:17:26] <ptom> invalid token
[18-Aug-2010 11:18:40] <ericenns> hmm can you rename the interface?
[18-Aug-2010 11:18:54] <ptom> I can't. There are 300 Devices
[18-Aug-2010 11:19:23] <ericenns> ok i'm probably not that much help to you
[18-Aug-2010 11:19:36] <ptom> i appreciate any help, good or bad.
[18-Aug-2010 11:19:40] <ptom> so ty
[18-Aug-2010 11:20:00] <Simon4> ptom: device.os.interfaces._getOb('Ethernet Interface').getRRDValue('fred')
[18-Aug-2010 11:21:00] <ptom> Line 1: "_getOb" is an invalid attribute name because it starts with "_". in expression u"python:device.os.interfaces._getOb('Ethernet Interface').getRRDValue('ifInOctets_ifInOctets')", at line 9, column 3
[18-Aug-2010 11:21:35] <Simon4> hmm
[18-Aug-2010 11:21:37] <ptom> i removed the _ and it didn't complain. not sure it will work though
[18-Aug-2010 11:21:42] <ptom> running 2.5.2
[18-Aug-2010 11:21:44] <Simon4> that's how you do it in python
[18-Aug-2010 11:21:50] <Simon4> maybe thales is nastier'
[18-Aug-2010 11:35:39] <ericenns> I want too make a device component for my zenpack but im completely lost
[18-Aug-2010 11:37:29] <Simon4> ericenns: the best way I learned was to take one of the community zenpacks that did something similar and copy it
[18-Aug-2010 11:37:41] <Simon4> I haven't done any of the v3 specific UI stuff yet though
[18-Aug-2010 11:40:36] <ericenns> Simon4: I have been looking for a good one to base off of but I get lost after a while
[18-Aug-2010 11:43:01] <ericenns> I also believe components haven't changed from 2.5 to 3.0
[18-Aug-2010 11:43:59] <Simon4> ericenns: I have done a bunch of work on the HPBladeChassis or ZeusLoadBlanacer zenpacks in the community area
[18-Aug-2010 11:44:05] <Simon4> both extend the device model to add custom components
[18-Aug-2010 11:44:23] <Simon4> the HPBladeChassis then uses SSH to model the components whilst the Zeus one uses snmp
[18-Aug-2010 11:44:23] <ericenns> ok i'll take a look
[18-Aug-2010 11:44:40] <Simon4> happy to answer any questions on em etc... but heading home for the evening now
[18-Aug-2010 11:44:53] <ericenns> ok well thanks
[18-Aug-2010 11:45:18] * Simon4 may be on a bit later, will see, otherwise I'll be on tomorrow for sure
[18-Aug-2010 11:45:28] <ericenns> ok good to know
[18-Aug-2010 11:58:31] <cgibbons> tada
[18-Aug-2010 12:10:46] <JonnyV> guys where is the heartbeat controlled from? im getting a few alerts once in a while. What do they mean?
[18-Aug-2010 12:22:08] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[18-Aug-2010 12:24:51] <JonnyV> i am not seeing logs updated anymore. i put zenactions daemon in debug and i dont see any update in the logfile since 2 days
[18-Aug-2010 12:25:04] <JonnyV> not even the email alerts sent log
[18-Aug-2010 12:35:29] <rhys> I feel like I'm missing something, but I can't seem to add a device group to 3.0 Core.
[18-Aug-2010 12:36:33] <JonnyV> individual or net groups
[18-Aug-2010 12:37:26] <JonnyV> or u mean create a group in the organizers?
[18-Aug-2010 12:37:30] <rhys> on the left side, there is "groups" and "locations"
[18-Aug-2010 12:37:37] <rhys> and i can't figure out how to create either
[18-Aug-2010 12:37:54] <JonnyV> just select group
[18-Aug-2010 12:38:02] <JonnyV> and then at the bottom
[18-Aug-2010 12:38:08] <JonnyV> click the context button
[18-Aug-2010 12:38:11] <rhys> *twitch*
[18-Aug-2010 12:38:13] <rhys> thanks
[18-Aug-2010 12:39:30] <JonnyV> the plus + sorry
[18-Aug-2010 12:40:16] <rhys> Now I'm worried there is something wrong with me
[18-Aug-2010 12:41:13] <rhys> though, another question. If I want to define commands for a device group, like /Server/Linux, I click on /Server/Linux, click on Details, but I don't seem to have "Administer" in the list like the documentation does
[18-Aug-2010 12:42:38] <JonnyV> Administration is there
[18-Aug-2010 12:43:15] <rhys> not on mine it isn't.
[18-Aug-2010 12:43:51] <JonnyV> whats your role?
[18-Aug-2010 12:44:30] <rhys> manager, previously admin
[18-Aug-2010 12:45:13] <JonnyV> weird.. im manager and admin and it shows
[18-Aug-2010 12:45:36] <rhys> Core?
[18-Aug-2010 12:45:47] <JonnyV> yeps
[18-Aug-2010 12:45:49] <JonnyV> 3.0
[18-Aug-2010 12:46:03] <rhys> 3.01
[18-Aug-2010 12:46:33] <JonnyV> well, maybe thats the problem..
[18-Aug-2010 12:46:35] <JonnyV> dunno
[18-Aug-2010 12:46:59] <JonnyV> tomorrow its QA day
[18-Aug-2010 12:47:11] <rhys> http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1354/screenshothmb.png
[18-Aug-2010 12:47:34] <rhys> QA day?
[18-Aug-2010 12:48:04] <JonnyV> es questions and testing for 3.01
[18-Aug-2010 12:48:16] <rhys> thats good
[18-Aug-2010 12:48:55] <JonnyV> uff.. theres a lot less than i have
[18-Aug-2010 12:49:49] <rhys> i installed 3.0 on a new box
[18-Aug-2010 12:49:51] <JonnyV> no modelers plugins, modifications, nor overriden objects
[18-Aug-2010 12:49:57] <rhys> and then upgraded to 3.01
[18-Aug-2010 12:50:11] <JonnyV> u should stay in 3.0
[18-Aug-2010 12:50:27] <rhys> 3.01 was released tho
[18-Aug-2010 12:50:39] <rhys> doesn't that mean its "release" quality ?
[18-Aug-2010 12:50:44] <rhys> or did I upgrade to a beta?
[18-Aug-2010 12:51:30] <cgibbons> 3.0.1 is release quality, 3.0.2 is underway right now
[18-Aug-2010 12:51:44] <JonnyV> i'm really not in the inside of develop
[18-Aug-2010 12:51:53] <JonnyV> there u have :)
[18-Aug-2010 12:54:02] <rhys> cgibbons, happen to know why i have things like in that screenshot?
[18-Aug-2010 12:56:09] <theacolyte> cgibbons: Did you guys fix shift-selecting in the event console? :)
[18-Aug-2010 13:11:17] <mray> theacolyte: the problem with shift-selecting is that it never worked
[18-Aug-2010 13:11:21] <mray> so we disabled it
[18-Aug-2010 13:11:33] <theacolyte> it worked in 2.51
[18-Aug-2010 13:11:38] <theacolyte> but yeah I know what you mean about how it changed in 3
[18-Aug-2010 13:11:55] <mray> in 2.5.1 when you shift-select and the javascript automatically refreshes the event console, you got random events selected
[18-Aug-2010 13:11:58] <theacolyte> I'm still selecting all then using control to deselect
[18-Aug-2010 13:12:03] <mray> if any were inserted into your selection
[18-Aug-2010 13:12:29] <theacolyte> ah that's right
[18-Aug-2010 13:12:29] <mray> the UI didn't match what was actually selected in 2.5.1
[18-Aug-2010 13:12:58] <mray> devs have looked at it over and over again, but for now the solution was to disable that "feature" since it's broken
[18-Aug-2010 13:13:19] <mray> try using the ajax filters and "Select All" to get big selections
[18-Aug-2010 13:13:54] <cgibbons> nasty
[18-Aug-2010 13:15:31] <theacolyte> yeah that's what I'm doing
[18-Aug-2010 13:15:35] <theacolyte> with control select to exclude
[18-Aug-2010 13:15:38] <theacolyte> still, a bit gludgy
[18-Aug-2010 13:16:50] <mray> true, but it beats the alternative
[18-Aug-2010 13:16:56] <theacolyte> hehe true
[18-Aug-2010 13:17:02] <theacolyte> that's fair
[18-Aug-2010 13:18:36] <mray> if it gets fixed in ExtJS we'll probably pick it back up at some point
[18-Aug-2010 13:27:27] <rhys> i'm assuming devs here, is the "Administration" and a bunch of other menu options supposed to be missing from the device details section in 3.01?
[18-Aug-2010 13:28:27] <mray> what are you looking for?
[18-Aug-2010 13:28:58] <rhys> http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1354/screenshothmb.png << I think some things are missing that are mentioned in the documentation
[18-Aug-2010 13:29:05] <rhys> I'm admin in that screenshot too.
[18-Aug-2010 13:29:32] <mray> it's probably just moved, whatever you're looking for
[18-Aug-2010 13:29:47] <mray> does the documentation say there's an Administration entry?
[18-Aug-2010 13:30:36] <rhys> 3.0 administration guide says there is
[18-Aug-2010 13:30:54] <rhys> also there should be a modeler plugin
[18-Aug-2010 13:30:59] <rhys> plugins*
[18-Aug-2010 13:31:06] <rhys> but I've never used zenoss, so i really don't know
[18-Aug-2010 13:31:27] <mray> no, you're correct
[18-Aug-2010 13:31:32] <mray> I'm logged in and I see them
[18-Aug-2010 13:31:37] <mray> they don't match your screenshot
[18-Aug-2010 13:32:03] <rhys> hm. Right then. So do I downgrade to 3.0? This was a fresh install of 3.0 on a new machine, then i upgrade to 3.01 via apt-get
[18-Aug-2010 13:32:13] <mray> no, I'm on 3.0.1 too
[18-Aug-2010 13:32:20] <mray> oh wait, this is 3.0.0
[18-Aug-2010 13:32:23] <mray> lemme find a 3.0.1
[18-Aug-2010 13:32:55] <mray> no, I've got them in 3.0.1 too
[18-Aug-2010 13:33:02] <mray> hmmm
[18-Aug-2010 13:33:24] <rhys> I'm not crazy! I spent most of last night reading documentation and being worried that A) Im mad B) Zenoss moved things to enterprise only and crippled core in 3.0.
[18-Aug-2010 13:33:35] <rhys> ok
[18-Aug-2010 13:33:44] <mray> no, we don't do that
[18-Aug-2010 13:33:44] <rhys> can i reinstall and keep my data?
[18-Aug-2010 13:33:53] <mray> yeah, zenbackup and zenrestore
[18-Aug-2010 13:33:58] <rhys> even if i can't, i have no problem blowing it away.
[18-Aug-2010 13:33:59] <rhys> oh
[18-Aug-2010 13:34:02] <mray> same version same bits and it'll be there
[18-Aug-2010 13:34:22] <rhys> Alright. I'll figure out those, dpkg -P zenoss-stack, and reinstall it
[18-Aug-2010 13:34:33] <mray> still, I have no idea how you got into that staet
[18-Aug-2010 13:34:38] <mray> s/staet/state/
[18-Aug-2010 13:35:19] <rhys> I'm not unexperienced to Linux by a long way. I simply installed the debian repository, installed it, upgraded it, and logged in and started poking around.
[18-Aug-2010 13:35:43] <mray> no, I didn't think that
[18-Aug-2010 13:35:59] <mray> I just hadn't seen that happen so I want to know how/why so I can get it fixed
[18-Aug-2010 13:36:14] <rhys> any logs I can provide that might be of help?
[18-Aug-2010 13:38:19] <rhys> I remember something being slightly odd about starting zenoss after the upgrade.
[18-Aug-2010 13:38:32] <rhys> so i'm restarting it
[18-Aug-2010 13:38:49] <mray> perhaps the z2.log? just email it to mray@zenoss.com and I'll see if anything jumps out
[18-Aug-2010 13:40:04] <rhys> so theres /usr/local/zenoss
[18-Aug-2010 13:40:20] <rhys> another tree under common and another under zenoss
[18-Aug-2010 13:40:31] <rhys> ah
[18-Aug-2010 13:40:31] <rhys> log
[18-Aug-2010 13:40:33] <rhys> nvm
[18-Aug-2010 13:40:36] <mray> ok
[18-Aug-2010 13:44:01] <rhys> sent
[18-Aug-2010 13:47:26] <derek654> hey
[18-Aug-2010 14:01:48] <forsberg> bye
[18-Aug-2010 14:05:22] <ericenns> my snmp requests to my cisco firewall are exceeding the buffer size of 512 bytes
[18-Aug-2010 14:14:56] <mray> ericenns: try lowering the number of requests
[18-Aug-2010 14:15:41] <ericenns> will try that
[18-Aug-2010 14:22:20] <ericenns> do you mean zSnmpTries?
[18-Aug-2010 14:26:43] <mray> ericenns: I think it's zMaxOIDPerRequest
[18-Aug-2010 14:27:02] <mray> some cisco devices don't like a whole lot of requests at a time
[18-Aug-2010 14:35:17] <rhys> mray, nothing striking about that log?
[18-Aug-2010 14:35:22] <rhys> i'm just going to reinstall it then
[18-Aug-2010 14:40:05] <mray> rhys: nothing I really saw
[18-Aug-2010 14:40:28] <mray> if it happens again tomorrow at 11am EDT there'll be developers here
[18-Aug-2010 14:40:51] <Simon4> evening all
[18-Aug-2010 14:40:55] <rhys> well... Excuse of the day is "Bit rot"
[18-Aug-2010 14:41:06] <rhys> so I'll chalk it up to that and go on. time for some wiring.
[18-Aug-2010 14:45:26] <ericenns> ok thanks
[18-Aug-2010 14:50:17] <straterra> Hmm
[18-Aug-2010 14:50:26] <straterra> I have an OSProces check that keeps alerting
[18-Aug-2010 14:50:41] <straterra> It's a process thats no longer running on the server because it doesnt need to be
[18-Aug-2010 14:50:51] <straterra> I've tried clearing it and remodeling..with no results
[18-Aug-2010 14:53:49] <ericenns> had the same problem in 3.0.1
[18-Aug-2010 14:53:54] <ericenns> lemme think what i did
[18-Aug-2010 15:00:22] <ericenns> can you go to the process and tell me what the Enable monitoring says
[18-Aug-2010 15:01:30] <straterra> It's enabled because it still needs to be monitored on other servers
[18-Aug-2010 15:01:42] <ericenns> the problem that I had for smtp ipservice it kept alerting me on devices i didn't want it monitored for and when i set monitor ignore it still did
[18-Aug-2010 15:03:31] <ericenns> which zenoss version are you running
[18-Aug-2010 15:03:50] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[18-Aug-2010 15:04:36] <straterra> Not 3.0.1
[18-Aug-2010 15:05:04] <ericenns> ok and you have set monitoring ignore for that device for the os process i mean
[18-Aug-2010 15:05:05] <straterra> 2.5.2
[18-Aug-2010 15:05:26] <ericenns> ok
[18-Aug-2010 15:06:24] <ericenns> I have one idea if you don't mind mucking around the commandline
[18-Aug-2010 15:07:13] <ericenns> in a terminal do this rm -rf $ZENHOME/perf/Devices/said_device/os/processes/said_processs
[18-Aug-2010 15:07:19] <ericenns> then remodel the device
[18-Aug-2010 15:08:54] <ericenns> but first in device tab click on os then under processes select the process clikc the selecion box and set monitoring to ignore
[18-Aug-2010 15:09:15] <ericenns> and i suggest a zenoss restart for good measure
[18-Aug-2010 15:09:24] <ericenns> or at least a zopectl restart
[18-Aug-2010 15:29:27] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[18-Aug-2010 15:29:38] <mducharme-laptop> is there any problem with installing zenoss into /opt/zenoss ?
[18-Aug-2010 15:29:47] <Simon4> the RPM installer puts it there
[18-Aug-2010 15:29:48] <mducharme-laptop> it wants to install into /usr/local/zenoss by default
[18-Aug-2010 15:29:54] <Simon4> (/opt/zenoss)
[18-Aug-2010 15:29:55] <mducharme-laptop> I'm using the stack installer
[18-Aug-2010 15:30:13] <mducharme-laptop> I assume it's best to use the stack
[18-Aug-2010 15:30:27] <mducharme-laptop> ?
[18-Aug-2010 15:30:46] <mducharme-laptop> (I want to make sure I'm setting this up the best possible way, since this will be the final setup)
[18-Aug-2010 15:30:48] <Simon4> we run external MySQL servers, so we just use the rpm installer
[18-Aug-2010 15:31:00] <Simon4> and put httpd (with ssl) in front of it
[18-Aug-2010 15:31:50] <mducharme-laptop> ok well
[18-Aug-2010 15:32:01] <mducharme-laptop> I will put it in /opt/zenoss, it makes the most sense to me...
[18-Aug-2010 15:32:25] <mducharme-laptop> /usr/local/zenoss seems needless typing to get there
[18-Aug-2010 15:38:34] <gemineye> mray: When I unlink graphs for a device and relink them, it doesn't appear to actually relink them. Have you seen that?
[18-Aug-2010 15:38:39] <arrrghhh> yo. so since the 3.0.1 upgrade, i get a lot of heartbeat failures on localhost...
[18-Aug-2010 15:39:53] <mray> gemineye: I think there's a bug or 2 opened against the controls for graphs
[18-Aug-2010 15:39:59] <mray> feel free to add another
[18-Aug-2010 15:42:39] <gemineye> There was a bug submitted for it 13 months ago
[18-Aug-2010 15:43:56] <gemineye> I want to setup some distributed collectors using the community zenpacks but my environment prevents me from pulling the data from the remote collectors. Does anyone know of a way to push the data from the remote collectors to the master collector? Can Enterprise do it?
[18-Aug-2010 15:48:27] <mducharme-laptop> hrm guys
[18-Aug-2010 15:48:34] <mducharme-laptop> I'm trying to install zenoss on this system
[18-Aug-2010 15:48:45] <mducharme-laptop> the install fails however because it tries to "su zenoss"
[18-Aug-2010 15:48:52] <mducharme-laptop> which fails because no password has been specified
[18-Aug-2010 15:49:07] <mducharme-laptop> I cannot su zenoss from the command line
[18-Aug-2010 15:49:18] <mray> are you not installing as root?
[18-Aug-2010 15:49:23] <mducharme-laptop> yes I am installing as root
[18-Aug-2010 15:49:38] <mducharme-laptop> I'm logged in as root actually
[18-Aug-2010 15:49:54] <mray> you shouldn't need a password on the zenoss account to su to it as root
[18-Aug-2010 15:49:57] <mray> 'su - zenoss'
[18-Aug-2010 15:50:18] <mducharme-laptop> nope.. gives "su - incorrect password"
[18-Aug-2010 15:51:36] <mray> are you sure you're root? You shouldn't have to enter creds if you're root
[18-Aug-2010 15:52:06] <mducharme-laptop> yes, i am root
[18-Aug-2010 15:52:09] <mducharme-laptop> I typed whoami
[18-Aug-2010 15:52:11] <mducharme-laptop> and it said root
[18-Aug-2010 15:52:54] <Simon4> mducharme-laptop: grep "zenoss" /etc/passwd ?
[18-Aug-2010 15:53:01] <mray> which OS, which installer?
[18-Aug-2010 15:53:21] <mray> fresh install?
[18-Aug-2010 15:53:26] <mducharme-laptop> it's in there simon4
[18-Aug-2010 15:53:33] <mducharme-laptop> fresh install with the stack x64
[18-Aug-2010 15:53:54] <mray> the stack is going to try to create the user for you
[18-Aug-2010 15:53:58] <mray> which version of linux?
[18-Aug-2010 15:54:10] <mducharme-laptop> opensuse 11.3
[18-Aug-2010 15:54:22] <mducharme-laptop> the stack did create the user for me
[18-Aug-2010 15:54:30] <mducharme-laptop> and then the installer failed near the end
[18-Aug-2010 15:57:40] <mducharme-laptop> it must be some security setting
[18-Aug-2010 15:57:41] <mducharme-laptop> sudo works
[18-Aug-2010 15:57:43] <mducharme-laptop> su doesn't
[18-Aug-2010 15:58:31] <arrrghhh> have you tried blanking the password on the zenoss user?
[18-Aug-2010 15:58:45] <arrrghhh> cuz i've never had to enter a password when i su to the zenoss user.
[18-Aug-2010 15:58:49] <mducharme-laptop> yes
[18-Aug-2010 15:58:53] <mducharme-laptop> I tried blanking the password
[18-Aug-2010 16:02:46] <arrrghhh> did it give an error...?
[18-Aug-2010 16:03:41] <Simon4> if you're root the password for the zenoss user is irrelevant
[18-Aug-2010 16:03:47] <Simon4> you can su to any user you wish
[18-Aug-2010 16:03:48] <mducharme-laptop> well the password is already blank
[18-Aug-2010 16:03:56] <mducharme-laptop> I just su zenoss and it says invalid password
[18-Aug-2010 16:04:10] <Simon4> maybe opensuse does something wierd then?
[18-Aug-2010 16:04:16] <mducharme-laptop> well that's what I'm thinking
[18-Aug-2010 16:04:28] <mducharme-laptop> the guys told me to run the commands as sudo -u zenoss instead of su zenoss
[18-Aug-2010 16:04:32] <mducharme-laptop> but that doesn't really help me
[18-Aug-2010 16:04:40] <mducharme-laptop> because the installer fails because it can't su zenoss
[18-Aug-2010 16:04:47] <arrrghhh> hrm
[18-Aug-2010 16:04:53] <arrrghhh> yea it does sound like opensuse is doing something odd.
[18-Aug-2010 16:05:02] <arrrghhh> i have it installed on suse, but it's a SLES10 box.
[18-Aug-2010 16:05:05] <Simon4> mducharme-laptop: when you're "root" can you type "id" ?
[18-Aug-2010 16:05:09] <Simon4> what do you get?
[18-Aug-2010 16:05:57] <mducharme-laptop> uid=0(root) same for gid and groups
[18-Aug-2010 16:06:25] <Simon4> can you try su - otheruser
[18-Aug-2010 16:06:34] <Simon4> where otheruser is another user on the system?
[18-Aug-2010 16:07:24] <Simon4> mducharme-laptop: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/repair-user-su-incorrect-password-684972/
[18-Aug-2010 16:07:35] <Simon4> passwd -u option to unlock the account apparently
[18-Aug-2010 16:07:41] <Simon4> seems opensuse locks the account maybe?
[18-Aug-2010 16:07:44] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[18-Aug-2010 16:07:57] <mducharme-laptop> my login works
[18-Aug-2010 16:08:01] <mducharme-laptop> meaning if I am root
[18-Aug-2010 16:08:05] <mducharme-laptop> and I su to my user
[18-Aug-2010 16:08:06] <mducharme-laptop> it works
[18-Aug-2010 16:08:08] <Simon4> yeah
[18-Aug-2010 16:08:12] <Simon4> see the passwd -u thing
[18-Aug-2010 16:08:15] <mducharme-laptop> if I am root and I su to zenoss and it fails
[18-Aug-2010 16:08:16] <mducharme-laptop> ok
[18-Aug-2010 16:10:03] <mducharme-laptop> that did it simon4
[18-Aug-2010 16:10:37] <Simon4> mray: it may be something wierd with opensuse's user add maybe that adds it in a locked state?
[18-Aug-2010 16:10:57] <Simon4> mducharme-laptop: you could probaby re-run the installer now and it would be okay
[18-Aug-2010 16:11:08] <mducharme-laptop> should I rerun the installer
[18-Aug-2010 16:11:17] <mducharme-laptop> or should I uninstall and delete the folder and rerun the installer
[18-Aug-2010 16:11:20] <cgibbons> hum
[18-Aug-2010 16:12:03] <mducharme-laptop> someone will have to look into why useradd is creating a disabled account on opensuse
[18-Aug-2010 16:12:09] <Simon4> mducharme-laptop: from an interest point of view option #2 seems good - see if it happens again
[18-Aug-2010 16:12:29] <Simon4> and you cna probably uninstall, and remove the dir actually, and have the user left
[18-Aug-2010 16:12:39] <Simon4> which means it won't break second time around
[18-Aug-2010 16:13:00] <Simon4> I'm not sure what the stack uninstall does
[18-Aug-2010 16:16:11] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[18-Aug-2010 16:16:27] <mducharme-laptop> I'm just wondering after all this is I might be better off setting this up on centos or something
[18-Aug-2010 16:16:33] <mducharme-laptop> but I know opensuse the best...
[18-Aug-2010 16:16:44] <Simon4> I guess your other option is to create the user first, if the stack installer will respect that
[18-Aug-2010 16:16:54] <arrrghhh> debian would be my choice, if i had one.
[18-Aug-2010 16:16:55] <Simon4> since that's a simple solution
[18-Aug-2010 16:17:11] <mducharme-laptop> arrghhh we have lots of suse servers
[18-Aug-2010 16:17:23] <mducharme-laptop> it is easier for me to keep things sorted
[18-Aug-2010 16:17:36] <mducharme-laptop> rather than trying to remember how centos updates things etc
[18-Aug-2010 16:18:00] <arrrghhh> agreed, we're all SLES here.
[18-Aug-2010 16:19:03] <mducharme-laptop> well I have some sles as well but those licenses are under a different company name, it's somwhat complicated
[18-Aug-2010 16:19:03] <mducharme-laptop> heh
[18-Aug-2010 16:21:04] <mducharme-laptop> ok, that's the problem
[18-Aug-2010 16:21:10] <mducharme-laptop> if you useradd test from the command line
[18-Aug-2010 16:21:13] <mducharme-laptop> the user test is disabled
[18-Aug-2010 16:21:49] <Simon4> mducharme-laptop: try adding the zenoss user, then running the stack installer?
[18-Aug-2010 16:22:02] <mducharme-laptop> the zenoss user is still present
[18-Aug-2010 16:23:30] <mducharme-laptop> is the zenoss user supposed to have a password?
[18-Aug-2010 16:23:34] <mducharme-laptop> it appears to have no password
[18-Aug-2010 16:24:05] <mray> no, it doesn't need a password
[18-Aug-2010 16:24:18] <mducharme-laptop> ok mray here is the problem I see
[18-Aug-2010 16:24:24] <mducharme-laptop> man useradd gives the explanation
[18-Aug-2010 16:24:37] <mducharme-laptop> if useradd is not run with the --passwd option and a password specified, it disables the account
[18-Aug-2010 16:24:54] <mducharme-laptop> it's the way the useradd program runs by design
[18-Aug-2010 16:25:14] <mducharme-laptop> that explains why it fails
[18-Aug-2010 16:25:23] <mducharme-laptop> I am guessing you guys call useradd with no --passwd option
[18-Aug-2010 16:25:36] <mducharme-laptop> er --password option I guess it is actually
[18-Aug-2010 16:27:22] <mducharme-laptop> I'm rerunning the installer
[18-Aug-2010 16:27:27] <mducharme-laptop> I should submit this as a bug for the stack installer
[18-Aug-2010 16:34:28] <Simon4> right... bed for me, night all
[18-Aug-2010 16:35:20] <mducharme-laptop> there we go
[18-Aug-2010 16:35:23] <mducharme-laptop> just logged it as a bug
[18-Aug-2010 16:42:43] <ericenns> mducharme-laptop: make an alias for su to sudo -u maybe
[18-Aug-2010 16:43:04] <mducharme-laptop> ok
[18-Aug-2010 16:43:13] <ericenns> just an idea
[18-Aug-2010 16:44:28] <ericenns> if not then delete the zenoss user and recreate before doing a stack install and see if su - zenoss works
[18-Aug-2010 16:45:23] <mducharme-laptop> the stack install seems to be using th zenoss user from before
[18-Aug-2010 16:45:35] <mducharme-laptop> I think it's working
[18-Aug-2010 16:45:40] <mducharme-laptop> but that bug needs to get fixed
[18-Aug-2010 16:45:41] <mducharme-laptop> heh
[18-Aug-2010 16:45:46] <ericenns> the alias works?
[18-Aug-2010 16:45:57] <mducharme-laptop> no, did not try the alias
[18-Aug-2010 16:46:03] <mducharme-laptop> see the install did not fail until near the end
[18-Aug-2010 16:46:14] <mducharme-laptop> I would have to have sat there for 10 minutes to see if the alias worked
[18-Aug-2010 16:46:15] <ericenns> ok
[18-Aug-2010 16:46:36] <mducharme-laptop> it is safer doing it this way, I know it will work, I just want to get this thing operating
[18-Aug-2010 16:46:40] <ericenns> so what made it work then
[18-Aug-2010 16:46:50] <mducharme-laptop> well undisabling the zenoss account
[18-Aug-2010 16:46:52] <mducharme-laptop> uninstalling zenoss
[18-Aug-2010 16:46:54] <mducharme-laptop> reinstalling
[18-Aug-2010 16:47:15] <ericenns> ok
[18-Aug-2010 16:47:22] <mducharme-laptop> when the zenoss stack installer adds the zenoss account it adds it in such a way that it is disabled
[18-Aug-2010 16:47:30] <mducharme-laptop> by not giving it a password it is disabled by default
[18-Aug-2010 16:47:37] <mducharme-laptop> then you cannot su into the account because it is disabled
[18-Aug-2010 16:47:39] <ericenns> weird
[18-Aug-2010 16:47:57] <mducharme-laptop> but it looks like if the zenoss user already exists it is fine
[18-Aug-2010 16:48:25] <ericenns> oh ok
[18-Aug-2010 16:48:49] <mducharme-laptop> now I hope that doesn't mean I will be able to ssh into the box with no password
[18-Aug-2010 16:48:52] <mducharme-laptop> that would not be good
[18-Aug-2010 16:49:20] <ericenns> ssh doesn't allow an account with no password
[18-Aug-2010 16:49:49] <ericenns> so your fine
[18-Aug-2010 16:49:59] <mducharme-laptop> ok
[18-Aug-2010 16:50:24] <mducharme-laptop> it is not like someone is going to get physical access to the zenoss server anyway
[18-Aug-2010 16:51:14] <ericenns> ya
[18-Aug-2010 16:57:32] <ericenns> any zenpack devs on this channel
[18-Aug-2010 16:59:13] <mray> ericenns: I can be of moderate assistance (partially distracted with my 9month old)
[18-Aug-2010 17:01:21] <ericenns> ok well im just trying to make my own StoragePool component and im looking for an easy way to do it have tried to use bigegor's HPEVAMonitor as a base but it is too complicated for me to follow and bigegor has tried to help me but he can't figure it out either
[18-Aug-2010 17:02:50] <mray> hmm.. best bet would be the session tomorrow
[18-Aug-2010 17:03:09] <ericenns> ok well I will try that then same channel or different'
[18-Aug-2010 17:03:11] <cgibbons> i think i was giving him some info earlier but needed to spend more time with him
[18-Aug-2010 17:03:59] <mray> you'll have the chance tomorrow:)
[18-Aug-2010 17:03:59] <ericenns> yes you may have I kinda wish there were simple examples in the community that would be documented and easy to follow
[18-Aug-2010 17:04:02] <cgibbons> that was the one with you were adding storagepool() relationship to devicehw?
[18-Aug-2010 17:04:12] <ericenns> yuppers
[18-Aug-2010 17:04:15] <cgibbons> okie
[18-Aug-2010 17:04:29] <cgibbons> i'd help but i'm still in my *()$!@ meeting
[18-Aug-2010 17:04:33] <cgibbons> now that is
[18-Aug-2010 17:04:55] <ericenns> ok well thats no fun
[18-Aug-2010 17:05:07] <mray> and I gotta go pick up my car from the repair shop. See you tomorrow
[18-Aug-2010 17:05:21] <ericenns> see you
[18-Aug-2010 17:05:23] <cgibbons> tomorrow @ 10am central we'll be doing the dev thing here, so i'll be here for sure
[18-Aug-2010 17:06:11] <ericenns> sweet my timezone
[18-Aug-2010 17:07:43] <cgibbons> come early and i'll be here earlier, too
[18-Aug-2010 17:08:11] <cgibbons> like say 0915 or so
[18-Aug-2010 17:08:33] <ericenns> ok well im at work at 7:00 central so I will be on there
[18-Aug-2010 17:08:38] <rhys> Central it is. Till I'm back to Ohio where I belong.
[18-Aug-2010 17:08:38] <rhys> Anyone happen to know how to move a MIB file that i've loaded into Zenoss into the data points of a monitoring template?
[18-Aug-2010 17:09:02] <cgibbons> MIBs are only for translating events, to make a template you need to know the OID values
[18-Aug-2010 17:09:13] <cgibbons> unless there's some community zenpack to do it for you i don't know about... (quite possible)
[18-Aug-2010 17:10:14] <rhys> cgibbons, but the zenoss gui lists the OIDs
[18-Aug-2010 17:12:50] <rhys> http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/6461/screenshot1v.png Theres not a way to say "Import all these OIDs to a monitoring template" ?
[18-Aug-2010 17:13:50] <cgibbons> oh, i see what you mean
[18-Aug-2010 17:13:54] <cgibbons> no idea, that would be handy huh?
[18-Aug-2010 17:14:32] <cgibbons> would probably be easy to swizzle up some code that did that
[18-Aug-2010 17:15:18] <rhys> that reaction is hilarious, and true
[18-Aug-2010 17:16:25] <rhys> I've been having a hellva time with Open "Core" companies. Sugar, Mindtouch, Zimbra.
[18-Aug-2010 17:16:32] <rhys> I like you guys tho.
[18-Aug-2010 17:17:29] <cgibbons> we do tend to have few community peeps contributing code to the core, versus as a monitoring zenpack. some yes, but not often.
[18-Aug-2010 17:19:12] <rhys> Its a matter of target. Zimbra hits this pretty well too, where the enterprise/community features are split correctly. A company like mine needs monitoring, but we don't need and can't afford the enterprise features. Nicely, I can still work on what we do need.
[18-Aug-2010 17:21:38] <ericenns> If i make a relationship in a zenpack is that relationship only created when I install the zenpack or is it available after a restart of zenoss and a remodel of the device
[18-Aug-2010 17:23:43] <cgibbons> i *think* it's only when you installed it
[18-Aug-2010 17:23:49] <rhys> cgibbons, happen to know where in the filesystem monitoring templates and MIBs exist? if not off the top of your head, i'll find them.
[18-Aug-2010 17:23:49] <cgibbons> not 100% sure tho
[18-Aug-2010 17:24:22] <ericenns> ok well if thats the case then it is difficult to test code written becase then you basically need two test zenoss servers
[18-Aug-2010 17:24:42] <ericenns> one to write code on the other to test it on
[18-Aug-2010 17:25:03] <ericenns> wait maybe not I have an idea how to do it
[18-Aug-2010 17:25:06] <cgibbons> when we're developing, we don't do that, but we're not monitorinng
[18-Aug-2010 17:25:31] <cgibbons> as I change a zenpack I'm working on I just reinstall the zenpack, or uninstall it first is needed
[18-Aug-2010 17:26:10] <ericenns> ok i just noticed once when I develop where zenoss creates the zenpack and i export it then install the development copy gets over written
[18-Aug-2010 17:27:21] <cgibbons> what we wind up doing is creating the zenpack on the filesystem, and then using zenpack --link --install ZenPacks.whatever.whatever so that it will use the directory we code it. We only do an export when we want the objects.xml to get updated.
[18-Aug-2010 17:27:48] <ericenns> thats good to know
[18-Aug-2010 17:28:12] <ericenns> so that makes it run the install script portion in __init__.py
[18-Aug-2010 17:29:45] <cgibbons> yep
[18-Aug-2010 17:29:54] <ericenns> thanks
[18-Aug-2010 17:30:05] <cgibbons> I just did a pretty big zenpack with a lot of components, and I think when I added anew one I would zenpack --remove and then reinstall to pick up the changes
[18-Aug-2010 17:30:15] <cgibbons> but all of that was mostly habit versus actually knowing exactly when I need to
[18-Aug-2010 17:30:28] <cgibbons> rhys: are you using 3.0?
[18-Aug-2010 17:30:44] <ericenns> zenpack --remove wont delete the developement copy stored in /opt/zenoss/ZenPacks ?
[18-Aug-2010 17:30:45] <rhys> yep
[18-Aug-2010 17:30:59] <cgibbons> go here - http://localhost:8080/zport/dmd/template#templateTree:/zport/dmd/Devices/rrdTemplates/Device
[18-Aug-2010 17:31:12] <cgibbons> and you should see a FileSystem entry on the tree
[18-Aug-2010 17:31:26] <cgibbons> or, Advanced -> Monitoring Templates
[18-Aug-2010 17:32:30] <cgibbons> if you've used zenpack --link, then --remove will only remove the linkage to the development copy. (i.e. safe), but if you haven't, then it will wax it i believe. make a backup firs to make sure :)
[18-Aug-2010 17:32:30] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[18-Aug-2010 17:32:37] <mducharme-laptop> by what logic does zenoss group events together?
[18-Aug-2010 17:32:46] <mducharme-laptop> sometimes it seems to group the same event together when it happens multiple times
[18-Aug-2010 17:32:47] <ericenns> thx
[18-Aug-2010 17:32:53] <rhys> cgibbons, file system entry on the tree..
[18-Aug-2010 17:32:54] <mducharme-laptop> just increasing the acount
[18-Aug-2010 17:33:01] <mducharme-laptop> and other times it creates multiple events
[18-Aug-2010 17:33:14] <mducharme-laptop> the reason why I ask
[18-Aug-2010 17:33:19] <mducharme-laptop> the high utilization warning
[18-Aug-2010 17:33:30] <mducharme-laptop> instead of just adding a count saying the utilization is still high
[18-Aug-2010 17:33:34] <mducharme-laptop> it always shows up as a new event
[18-Aug-2010 17:33:55] <mducharme-laptop> which is less than ideal
[18-Aug-2010 17:34:55] <cgibbons> it uses the dedupid field to determine if an event is a duplicate or not
[18-Aug-2010 17:38:26] <rhys> cgibbons, i'm assuming the MIB information and templates are in mysql?
[18-Aug-2010 17:38:35] <cgibbons> nope
[18-Aug-2010 17:38:37] <cgibbons> in zodb
[18-Aug-2010 17:39:56] <rhys> since i have no idea what im doing, can you point me to a doc or somewhere on how i should access/modify this information? should i be using APIs, python directly on the machine...
[18-Aug-2010 17:40:01] <cgibbons> are you familar with zendmd yet?
[18-Aug-2010 17:40:12] <rhys> nope. I installed Zenoss yesterday
[18-Aug-2010 17:40:34] <cgibbons> okay, zendmd is a python shell that gives you live access to the data model. it's awesome to use from a hacker perspective, etc.
[18-Aug-2010 17:40:44] <cgibbons> so one thing you can do with it is to write little scripts, which is probably what you'd need here.
[18-Aug-2010 17:40:52] <cgibbons> so for example, if you run zendmd you can do:
[18-Aug-2010 17:40:54] <cgibbons> dmd.Mibs
[18-Aug-2010 17:41:10] <cgibbons> and you'll see the top-level MIB organizer that you see in the UI, and you can manipulate it there
[18-Aug-2010 17:41:52] <cgibbons> dmd.Mibs.mibs() would give you an array of all the mibs it has
[18-Aug-2010 17:43:32] <rhys> ahhhahahha. Finally. Python. (I'm in a shop surrounded by perl hackers)
[18-Aug-2010 17:48:42] <rhys> hmm. and i still don't know what im doing. mibs() prints out two MibModules
[18-Aug-2010 17:49:30] <cgibbons> what is the one called you wanna muck with?
[18-Aug-2010 17:49:38] <rhys> ASTERISK-MIB
[18-Aug-2010 17:50:04] <cgibbons> ok, try: dmd.Mibs.ASTERISK-MIB - does that give you an object?
[18-Aug-2010 17:50:33] <rhys> for i in dmd.Mibs.mibs(): dmd.Mibs.view(i) fails..
[18-Aug-2010 17:51:30] <rhys> that gives me an error, attribute error, ASTERISK. It doesn't like the dash
[18-Aug-2010 17:51:33] <cgibbons> there's like a dozen ways to get back the actual MIB object that you can manipulate
[18-Aug-2010 17:52:12] <cgibbons> okay, you could do: dmd.Mibs.getObj('ASTERISK-MIB') or dmd.Mibs.mibs()[0] or [1] or whatever you need
[18-Aug-2010 17:52:46] <rhys> right, thats a MibModule datatype
[18-Aug-2010 17:53:10] <cgibbons> okay, that probably has ineresting _properties and _relationships attributes that has the data you need
[18-Aug-2010 17:53:22] <cgibbons> so you could script iterate over that, and then create a new template object, etc. it's grungy but would let you do it
[18-Aug-2010 17:53:52] <rhys> print doesnt seem to work on MibModule
[18-Aug-2010 17:53:58] <rhys> getObj fails too
[18-Aug-2010 17:54:38] <cgibbons> do m= dmd.Mibs.mibs()[0]
[18-Aug-2010 17:54:45] <cgibbons> m._properties
[18-Aug-2010 17:54:57] <cgibbons> i'd give you more exact info but i have no mibs loaded :)
[18-Aug-2010 17:55:40] <rhys> hmmm
[18-Aug-2010 17:56:06] <rhys> no documentation eh?
[18-Aug-2010 17:56:44] <rhys> i found the datastructure tho..
[18-Aug-2010 17:57:59] <rhys> and as a general rule, _X is bad.. right?
[18-Aug-2010 17:58:07] <rhys> private datastructures of the module.
[18-Aug-2010 17:59:10] <rhys> but there isn't any getMibNode function defined.
[18-Aug-2010 17:59:26] <cgibbons> you might have to go look @ the code in $ZENHOME/Products/ZenModel to see what you need
[18-Aug-2010 17:59:33] <rhys> cgibbons, already there
[18-Aug-2010 17:59:43] <cgibbons> but i wouldn't worry about the 'private' methods - zenoss doesn't quite follow conventions there :)
[18-Aug-2010 18:00:02] <rhys> obviously if you don't have a getMibNode..
[18-Aug-2010 18:00:32] <rhys> so how do i contribute back upstream?
[18-Aug-2010 18:02:40] <cgibbons> it's all doc'ed, but i don't know where... if you catch mray online he's the man.
[18-Aug-2010 18:03:09] <rhys> how big is Zenoss? in terms of devs?
[18-Aug-2010 18:03:51] <cgibbons> i think we're up to.... 10ish or more now
[18-Aug-2010 18:05:06] <rhys> I guessed. I do the same thing when people call me...
[18-Aug-2010 18:05:30] <rhys> this fellow built it. all of it. you should talk to him.
[18-Aug-2010 18:08:44] <cgibbons> and on that note :)
[18-Aug-2010 18:08:50] <ericenns> man almost 12 hours at work allready damn you zenoss haha I dont think the wife is to happy
[18-Aug-2010 18:25:06] <JonnyV> haha
[18-Aug-2010 18:26:28] <ericenns> yup
[18-Aug-2010 18:26:34] <ericenns> 7 am to 7 pm
[18-Aug-2010 18:28:01] <JonnyV> we are two
[18-Aug-2010 18:28:02] <JonnyV> no wife - but girlfriend.. so your are in more danger
[18-Aug-2010 18:28:39] <JonnyV> uff.. hard
[18-Aug-2010 18:29:30] <ericenns> ya I am well she knows I need to make up some overtime for time off so hopefully she wont be so mad
[18-Aug-2010 18:32:02] <JonnyV> hehe.. good luck
[18-Aug-2010 18:32:17] <ericenns> thanks lol
[18-Aug-2010 18:32:32] <JonnyV> ;)
[18-Aug-2010 18:32:51] <JonnyV> guys anyone is using Digmonitor template?
[18-Aug-2010 18:33:19] <ericenns> I tested it out once but haven't used it since the migration to 3.0.2
[18-Aug-2010 18:33:23] <ericenns> i mean 3.0.1
[18-Aug-2010 18:33:27] <JonnyV> i really dunno how to add a damn graph definition
[18-Aug-2010 18:33:29] <JonnyV> hehe
[18-Aug-2010 18:33:41] <JonnyV> i added one but it aint graphing.. so no good
[18-Aug-2010 18:33:49] <ericenns> hmm
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[18-Aug-2010 18:57:56] <rhys> WOOT
[18-Aug-2010 18:58:24] <ericenns> I think my adding components may be working yay lets see in a few moments
[18-Aug-2010 18:59:12] <ericenns> damnit didn't work
[18-Aug-2010 19:08:43] <gemineye> Is there a list of default ports Zenoss queries?
[18-Aug-2010 20:15:48] <sytem> i think there must be tutorial for this somewhere: I have bash script that outputs number, I want zenoss to draw a graph and alert if value is over some limit
[18-Aug-2010 20:16:09] <sytem> why i dont find it...
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[19-Aug-2010 03:29:16] <_rain_man_> hi all
[19-Aug-2010 03:29:43] <_rain_man_> can anyone tell me the command to display what daemons are running?
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[19-Aug-2010 05:22:02] <_rain_man_> hi all
[19-Aug-2010 05:22:04] <_rain_man_> can anyone tell me the command to display what daemons are running?
[19-Aug-2010 05:23:28] <Simon4> zenoss status
[19-Aug-2010 05:23:38] <Simon4> (as the zenoss user)
[19-Aug-2010 05:24:08] <_rain_man_> excellent! thanks
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[19-Aug-2010 07:55:18] <ericenns> hey anybody wanna try and tackle a hard problem
[19-Aug-2010 08:17:36] <st3v3o> shoot
[19-Aug-2010 08:19:11] <ericenns> I have created a zenpack and I have created my own python class in there so that I can create my own components but zenoss isn't finding the relationships I follwed bigegors HPEVAMon and I'm stuck, I can make a component fine by extending hw or os but when I add the python class in there I get stuck
[19-Aug-2010 08:19:42] <ericenns> im making a test zenpack for this and am willing to post my entire source code
[19-Aug-2010 08:20:40] <Simon4> ericenns: have you created a device class to contain your new python class, and set zPythonClass of that device class to the name of your class?
[19-Aug-2010 08:21:09] <ericenns> yes I have created a device class and set the zPythonClass property
[19-Aug-2010 08:21:34] <ericenns> I end up getting this when trying to model zen.ApplyDataMap: no relationship:storagepools found on:os (<class 'Products.ZenModel.OperatingSystem.OperatingSystem'> ZenPacks.test.Dell.DellDevice)
[19-Aug-2010 08:24:24] <Simon4> hmm.. did you create the relationship on the object, or on object.os?
[19-Aug-2010 08:24:31] <Simon4> it looks like you may have a mix-up there
[19-Aug-2010 08:24:36] <ericenns> here is what my device class looks like http://freetexthost.com/a2hfnp6ola
[19-Aug-2010 08:24:38] <Simon4> wanna pastie your class definition?
[19-Aug-2010 08:24:40] <Simon4> heh, snap
[19-Aug-2010 08:25:44] <cgibbons> eric - i'll be able to look more closely in about 45 minutes or so
[19-Aug-2010 08:25:45] <Simon4> have a look at this: http://zenpacks.zenoss.org/trac-zenpacks/browser/zenpacks/ZenPacks.community.ZeusLoadBalancer/ZenPacks/community/ZeusLoadBalancer/ZeusLoadBalancer.py
[19-Aug-2010 08:25:56] <Simon4> I define two relations at the top there
[19-Aug-2010 08:25:59] <ericenns> cgibbons: ok
[19-Aug-2010 08:26:21] <Simon4> and if you look in ZeusPool.py and ZeusVirtualServer.py you'll see the matching relations to complete it
[19-Aug-2010 08:26:31] <ericenns> hmm i was following HPEVAMon
[19-Aug-2010 08:27:14] <ericenns> i will post another class
[19-Aug-2010 08:27:20] <ericenns> DeviceOS class
[19-Aug-2010 08:27:26] <ericenns> http://freetexthost.com/bggyrzzihw
[19-Aug-2010 08:30:34] <ericenns> and then in my StoragePool.py
[19-Aug-2010 08:30:39] <ericenns> http://freetexthost.com/vj0xpe4k5a
[19-Aug-2010 08:31:36] <Simon4> StoragePool looks better.. probably best to get cgibbons to have a look when he's free
[19-Aug-2010 08:31:55] <ericenns> ok
[19-Aug-2010 08:32:04] <cgibbons> no pressure or anything
[19-Aug-2010 08:32:14] <ericenns> I think it may be a 3.0.1 issue since that is where I am developing on
[19-Aug-2010 08:32:39] <ericenns> well it is an issue I have not a zenoss issue
[19-Aug-2010 08:32:40] <cgibbons> hopefully not, that sorta stuff shouldn't be affected by any of the changes that went into 3.0.x... shouldn't being the key word
[19-Aug-2010 08:32:54] <ashp> hmm, this is odd, zenoss has stopped connecting to apache on my webservers, why does everything break for me :)
[19-Aug-2010 08:32:54] <cgibbons> zenpacks are always tricky since there isn't a real api layer
[19-Aug-2010 08:33:17] <ericenns> ya they seem to be
[19-Aug-2010 08:34:00] <Simon4> cgibbons: sorry dude :)
[19-Aug-2010 08:35:34] <ericenns> if bigegor's HPEVAMon works on 3.0 then I would think mine should also since I followed his
[19-Aug-2010 08:36:09] <ashp> hmm, if I model a device and it comes up with the 'Hardware Model: .1.3.6.1.4.1.476.1.42', does it check all loaded mib's for that info?
[19-Aug-2010 08:36:21] <cgibbons> except for that one little thing you overlooked or didn't feed chicken blood
[19-Aug-2010 08:36:22] <ashp> What I'm asking is really 'how do I get it to find something human instead of a number if I used zenmib to load the mib..'
[19-Aug-2010 08:36:28] <Simon4> ashp: mibs are only used for translating traps, so the answer is "no"
[19-Aug-2010 08:36:42] <ashp> Simon4: ah that's a shame
[19-Aug-2010 08:37:12] <ashp> There must be a way to add in that kind of information somewhere, however, right? Even if it's a static mapping somewhere?
[19-Aug-2010 08:37:28] <ericenns> cgibbons: haha for sure, I'm guessing it is my error somewhere since this is my first ZenPack
[19-Aug-2010 08:37:36] <Simon4> ashp: you can write a tiny modeler plugin that sets such things
[19-Aug-2010 08:37:55] <ashp> Ah, so it's part of the modeller, that makes sense
[19-Aug-2010 08:38:13] <ashp> Simon4: I'm trying to put together some custom stuff for our UPS devices, so I'm trying to figure out how it all ties in
[19-Aug-2010 08:38:13] <Simon4> yeah
[19-Aug-2010 08:43:52] <ashp> making graphs is confusing when you're clueless :)
[19-Aug-2010 08:48:35] <ericenns> after loading mibs I use them to figure out the oids
[19-Aug-2010 08:48:59] <ericenns> mibs aren't just for traps
[19-Aug-2010 08:49:25] <ericenns> mibs give you oid Mappings also
[19-Aug-2010 08:49:59] <ashp> my next step is to try and figure out if any of the data sources or points or whatever i added have collected any actual data
[19-Aug-2010 08:50:02] <ashp> as my graph is blank
[19-Aug-2010 08:51:02] <ericenns> ok well I always test an oid by snmpwalk -v2c -ccommunity ip oid
[19-Aug-2010 08:51:05] <ashp> I am starting to suspect our 5 year old perl script that monitors these ups devices isn't actually right :(
[19-Aug-2010 08:52:59] <ashp> I stole the oid's to look at from there but some don't even seem to exist (the important ones)
[19-Aug-2010 08:53:26] <ericenns> ya sometimes they dont which is unfortunate
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[19-Aug-2010 08:59:46] <JonnyV> morning
[19-Aug-2010 09:14:16] <ashp> i just loaded all the official mibs i could find and what the device presents is different, that's very annoying :)
[19-Aug-2010 09:15:36] <ericenns> ashp: maybe you got to knew of mibs there are usually firmware specific versions
[19-Aug-2010 09:15:52] <ashp> yeah, that's what I'm wondering
[19-Aug-2010 09:15:58] <ashp> you'd think the liebert site would mention it
[19-Aug-2010 09:16:08] <ashp> i googled for chunks of the tree but couldn't find anything good
[19-Aug-2010 09:16:21] <ericenns> ashp: ya sorry for my confusing response lol brain lapse
[19-Aug-2010 09:17:08] <ashp> aha, i think i found something
[19-Aug-2010 09:17:49] <ashp> you know if you offer a superset mib you should put ALL your mibs into it :D
[19-Aug-2010 09:17:56] <cgibbons> i am back!
[19-Aug-2010 09:18:10] <cgibbons> okay, eric, wassup. storagepool... you've got code to share?
[19-Aug-2010 09:18:29] <ericenns> yes I do, you want a zip?
[19-Aug-2010 09:18:35] <cgibbons> sure
[19-Aug-2010 09:18:43] <ericenns> k just a moment
[19-Aug-2010 09:22:55] <ericenns> cgibbons: how would you like me to send it with
[19-Aug-2010 09:24:09] <mugginz> hello all, after some help if possible
[19-Aug-2010 09:24:46] <mugginz> all my daemons are running the zenoss server but I can not access it via the web browser?
[19-Aug-2010 09:25:02] <mugginz> on the zenoss server*
[19-Aug-2010 09:25:11] <cgibbons> got it, eric
[19-Aug-2010 09:25:45] <ericenns> cgibbons: cool
[19-Aug-2010 09:26:34] <ericenns> cgibbons: this is the error I always encounter WARNING zen.ApplyDataMap: no relationship:storagepools found on:os (<class 'Products.ZenModel.OperatingSystem.OperatingSystem'> ZenPacks.test.Dell.DellDevice)
[19-Aug-2010 09:27:44] <cgibbons> okay, so you're adding a /Test/Dell device class that has a custom zPythonClass for a device named ZenPacks.test.Dell.DellDevice and that has a custom modeler plugin as well, correct?
[19-Aug-2010 09:28:55] <ericenns> correct
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[19-Aug-2010 09:30:02] <cgibbons> ok, and I see a custom DellDeviceOS that has your storagepools relationship, good.
[19-Aug-2010 09:30:11] <ericenns> yup
[19-Aug-2010 09:30:37] <cgibbons> by the way, you can eliminate a lot of the code in __init__.py because you can just create the device class in the UI and then add it to the zenpack, and then it'll be created in your objects.xml instead of via code.
[19-Aug-2010 09:30:54] <ashp> Hmm, in a template is there a way to map numeric returns from snmp to states by word
[19-Aug-2010 09:31:03] <ericenns> oh ok good to know
[19-Aug-2010 09:31:05] <ashp> specifically i want to know what state the ups is in, and it returns 1 for charging, 2 for discharging, etc
[19-Aug-2010 09:31:28] <ericenns> ashp: you must make a zenpack to be able to do that
[19-Aug-2010 09:31:54] <ashp> Ah, ok, I'm not confident enough in that stuff yet. A template is still taxing.
[19-Aug-2010 09:32:29] <ericenns> ok well after I get my ZenPack working I may be able to whip something up for you if that is all you need
[19-Aug-2010 09:33:21] <ashp> I'd like to eventually tackle a zenpack, so i'll give it a whirl at that point :)
[19-Aug-2010 09:33:29] <ashp> but right now i just want some graphs at least of battery state or something
[19-Aug-2010 09:33:54] <ericenns> ok well then just so you know you will need the deviceAdvDetail zenpack to be able to do that
[19-Aug-2010 09:33:58] <ashp> i was hoping the alias id/formula stuff would be what i needed when adding a data point :)
[19-Aug-2010 09:34:25] <cgibbons> okay, what I see when I add a device in /Test/Dell is that it didn't use the DellDeviceOS component for os, so that's why storagepools isn't there
[19-Aug-2010 09:34:28] <cgibbons> lesee if we can figure out why
[19-Aug-2010 09:34:48] <cgibbons> hrm and in fact DellDevice isn't being used as the python class for the device, either
[19-Aug-2010 09:34:49] <ericenns> Yup thats correct
[19-Aug-2010 09:34:56] <ericenns> oh no
[19-Aug-2010 09:37:08] <ericenns> cgibbons: so even though zPythonClass is set it is not being used
[19-Aug-2010 09:37:26] <cgibbons> yeah, odd. that definitely does work in 3.0.x, so there's some subtle reason why
[19-Aug-2010 09:37:49] <ericenns> ok well I have trying this on 3.0.x
[19-Aug-2010 09:39:09] <cgibbons> I can create an instance of DellDevice from zendmd, so that's good
[19-Aug-2010 09:39:34] <cgibbons> and in that case it's got the right DellDevice OS for the os subcomponent, okay so that's all cool, let's see what's up with zPythonClass
[19-Aug-2010 09:39:53] <ericenns> cgibbons: ok so my code is good then?
[19-Aug-2010 09:40:04] <cgibbons> maybe
[19-Aug-2010 09:40:08] <ericenns> ok lol
[19-Aug-2010 09:42:49] <cgibbons> can you do this in zendmd? dmd.Devices.Test.Dell.getPythonDeviceClass()
[19-Aug-2010 09:43:24] <ericenns> yes i get output <class 'ZenPacks.test.Dell.DellDevice.DellDevice'>
[19-Aug-2010 09:43:32] <cgibbons> ok
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[19-Aug-2010 09:46:23] <cgibbons> Hmmm
[19-Aug-2010 09:46:41] <ericenns> cgibbons: stumped?
[19-Aug-2010 09:46:44] <cgibbons> well it work the 2nd time
[19-Aug-2010 09:46:53] <cgibbons> and the storagepools relationship is there ok
[19-Aug-2010 09:47:04] <ericenns> what do you mean the second time
[19-Aug-2010 09:47:10] <cgibbons> i added a 2nd device and it worked ok
[19-Aug-2010 09:47:29] <cgibbons> i may have forgotten to restart zenhub after installing zenpack, for example, hmm
[19-Aug-2010 09:47:29] <ericenns> i'll try that
[19-Aug-2010 09:47:38] <cgibbons> speaking of which, do you restart everything or just a few daemons?
[19-Aug-2010 09:47:40] <Simon4> cgibbons: I was going to say, I've hit _exactly_ that when I forget to restart
[19-Aug-2010 09:47:49] <ericenns> i do a full restart everytime
[19-Aug-2010 09:47:52] <cgibbons> ok hrm
[19-Aug-2010 09:48:01] <cgibbons> zenjobs is important to restart, too
[19-Aug-2010 09:48:11] <ericenns> i do zenoss restart
[19-Aug-2010 09:48:16] <cgibbons> can you do a cli add: zendisc run --deviceclass=/Test/Dell and --device=whatever
[19-Aug-2010 09:48:40] <ericenns> doing that
[19-Aug-2010 09:49:18] <ericenns> wait with a new device
[19-Aug-2010 09:50:16] <ericenns> that worked
[19-Aug-2010 09:51:11] <ericenns> cgibbons: so is that a solution?
[19-Aug-2010 09:55:17] <cgibbons> hurm no but i'm wondering what it means
[19-Aug-2010 09:55:28] <cgibbons> so if you delete that device & do the same add, but via the UI does it fail again?
[19-Aug-2010 09:55:55] <ericenns> i'll check
[19-Aug-2010 09:56:48] <ericenns> yes delete and re-add via the UI works
[19-Aug-2010 09:57:10] <ericenns> To me it doesn't seem like the most optimal solution
[19-Aug-2010 09:57:31] <cgibbons> no and i don't think we're working around anything, there's some sort of staging problem hmm
[19-Aug-2010 09:58:01] <ericenns> Ya so do we conclude this is a core problem
[19-Aug-2010 09:59:55] <cgibbons> i'm not sure what it means. that behavior is typically only seen when a restart didn't happen or didn't fully work. but in this example you just did, what's the timeline between when you had a modeling failure and having it work with zendic?
[19-Aug-2010 09:59:59] <cgibbons> er zendisc
[19-Aug-2010 10:00:28] <ericenns> hmm a few moments
[19-Aug-2010 10:00:37] <ericenns> actually couldn't tell you how long
[19-Aug-2010 10:00:38] <mray> in case you hadn't guessed, cgibbons is on call today, I'm here and I'm sure other devs will drop in
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[19-Aug-2010 10:02:07] <ericenns> now I remember when reading the description for HPEVAMon it says you must delete and re-add device
[19-Aug-2010 10:02:13] <ericenns> for modeling to work
[19-Aug-2010 10:02:21] <cgibbons> really? hmmm
[19-Aug-2010 10:02:24] <cgibbons> that's funky
[19-Aug-2010 10:02:37] <ericenns> ya so it's not just for the case of my ZenPack
[19-Aug-2010 10:02:51] <cgibbons> I don't have that in this enterprise ZenPack that has a custom zPythonClass and device class.
[19-Aug-2010 10:03:03] <ericenns> hrm
[19-Aug-2010 10:03:04] <cgibbons> However, there, I am creating the device class and setting zPythonClass inside objects.xml
[19-Aug-2010 10:03:09] <cgibbons> instead of via the __init__.py
[19-Aug-2010 10:03:18] <ericenns> oh ok
[19-Aug-2010 10:03:41] <ericenns> how would i do it that way?
[19-Aug-2010 10:04:20] <ericenns> nermind figured it out
[19-Aug-2010 10:04:54] <cgibbons> comment out the calls to addDeviceClass in your __init__.py, remove the zenpack, readdit, restart everything, go into the UI to add /Test/Dell, set the zPythonClass configuration property, then 'Add it to ZenPack' and finally exportt your zenapck so that the objects.xml will be updated in your linked source tree
[19-Aug-2010 10:05:30] <ericenns> crap zenpack --remove deleted by copy
[19-Aug-2010 10:05:44] <ericenns> got a backup though
[19-Aug-2010 10:06:00] <cgibbons> need to make sure you use --link --install for dev copies to keep it from being removed
[19-Aug-2010 10:06:10] <ericenns> i did do --link --install
[19-Aug-2010 10:06:13] <cgibbons> huh
[19-Aug-2010 10:06:25] <cgibbons> oh the .egg or an expanded directory tree?
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[19-Aug-2010 10:06:43] <ericenns> zenpack --link --install ZenPacks.test.Dell
[19-Aug-2010 10:06:58] <ericenns> then i did zenpack --remove ZenPacks.test.Dell
[19-Aug-2010 10:08:08] <ericenns> am i supposed to keep my dev copy in a location other than /opt/zenoss/ZenPacks
[19-Aug-2010 10:09:05] <mray> If anyone has Zenoss 3.0 issues, please bring them up here or in #zenoss-testing
[19-Aug-2010 10:10:05] <cgibbons> I don't put them there myself, eric. I tend to have a source tree outside of my zenoss tree where I work on a zenpack. zenpack --install will create a symbolic link in $ZENHOME/ZenPacks to your working area.
[19-Aug-2010 10:10:28] <ericenns> ok I will try that
[19-Aug-2010 10:10:53] <cgibbons> i guess that's why it waxed it, --remove will still try and clean up the entry in $ZENHOME/ZenPacks
[19-Aug-2010 10:11:15] <ericenns> ok umm another question what was I supposed to remove from my __init__.py
[19-Aug-2010 10:11:58] <cgibbons> I would just comment out lines 45-46 in install method, and lines 50-52 in upgrade for now
[19-Aug-2010 10:12:02] <cgibbons> that'll work for the experiment
[19-Aug-2010 10:12:28] <cgibbons> it it works, then you won't need that custom ZenPack class at all for what you're adding
[19-Aug-2010 10:12:40] <ericenns> ok will try that
[19-Aug-2010 10:14:07] <ashp> hmm, I wonder if zenmib is smart enough to ignore mibs it has already imported
[19-Aug-2010 10:15:25] <ashp> I am hoping to just setup a cron to import mibs on a constant basis so if it ignores existing ones that'll be neat
[19-Aug-2010 10:16:26] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[19-Aug-2010 10:18:28] <themactech> Is there an updated developer's guide for 3.0, or is all the info in the 2.5 version still current?
[19-Aug-2010 10:18:48] <mray> themactech: it's coming soon
[19-Aug-2010 10:19:40] <themactech> where do component templates reside in the zenoss directory? I need to change one and don't know where to look
[19-Aug-2010 10:20:14] <cgibbons> they aren't stored as files
[19-Aug-2010 10:20:30] <cgibbons> they're stored in the object database. you can export one via XML and edit it, or use the UI to edit it
[19-Aug-2010 10:20:46] <themactech> I have CPU components for servers, and by default the component template sends a warning when a CPU is red lining, but I have cluster servers which have the CPU constantly red lining and I'm getting tons of unwanted alerts
[19-Aug-2010 10:20:46] <cgibbons> the latter being the normal way
[19-Aug-2010 10:21:34] <themactech> So I need to make an alternate CPU component template that disables the high threshold for these servers
[19-Aug-2010 10:21:54] <themactech> where do I find these in the UI to duplicate/modify them?
[19-Aug-2010 10:22:10] <cgibbons> if you navigate to Advanced -> Monitoring Templates you can see the templates
[19-Aug-2010 10:22:29] <cgibbons> CPU data points & templates are usually in the Device template
[19-Aug-2010 10:22:35] <cgibbons> rather than a CPU component template
[19-Aug-2010 10:23:43] <ericenns> cgibbons:
[19-Aug-2010 10:23:45] <ericenns> Exception: Unable to create object using the following attributes:
[19-Aug-2010 10:23:46] <ericenns> * id: /zport/dmd/Devices/Test/Dell
[19-Aug-2010 10:23:48] <ericenns> * module: Products.ZenModel.DeviceClass
[19-Aug-2010 10:23:49] <ericenns> * class: DeviceClass
[19-Aug-2010 10:24:37] <cgibbons> context? what were you doing at the time? this after you added the device clas, etc. to objects.xml or?
[19-Aug-2010 10:25:06] <mugginz> hello all, after some help if possible
[19-Aug-2010 10:25:14] <mugginz> all my daemons are running on the zenoss server but I can not access it via the web browser?
[19-Aug-2010 10:25:27] <ericenns> Yes and I tried installing the zenpack on a different zenoss
[19-Aug-2010 10:25:33] <ericenns> also 3.0.1
[19-Aug-2010 10:25:46] <cgibbons> okay, did your new zenpack have the objects/objects.xml file?
[19-Aug-2010 10:25:57] <mray> mugginz: are you using port 8080?
[19-Aug-2010 10:26:03] <mray> mugginz: http://yourserver:8080
[19-Aug-2010 10:26:05] <mugginz> yes
[19-Aug-2010 10:26:10] <mugginz> https://
[19-Aug-2010 10:26:22] <ericenns> I believe it did how do I check the .egg for it
[19-Aug-2010 10:26:30] <mray> mugginz: not https
[19-Aug-2010 10:26:35] <cgibbons> you can just unzip it
[19-Aug-2010 10:26:43] <cgibbons> .egg is just a .zip file with some meta files inside of it
[19-Aug-2010 10:26:43] <mugginz> doh! i will try just http then
[19-Aug-2010 10:27:17] <ericenns> ok
[19-Aug-2010 10:28:33] <ericenns> it looks like this http://freetexthost.com/606xmhb0bm
[19-Aug-2010 10:29:58] <cgibbons> ok yeah
[19-Aug-2010 10:30:08] <mugginz> ok next question
[19-Aug-2010 10:30:14] <cgibbons> what's __init__.py look like in that new one?
[19-Aug-2010 10:30:33] <mugginz> when i go to autodiscover devices it doesn't change the screen
[19-Aug-2010 10:30:49] <themactech> Have you added a network?
[19-Aug-2010 10:30:51] <mugginz> it stays on the same screen as the manually find devices
[19-Aug-2010 10:31:07] <themactech> you need to add a network before you autodiscover
[19-Aug-2010 10:31:20] <mray> mugginz: are you saying the radio button isn't working?
[19-Aug-2010 10:31:35] <mugginz> the radio button works but the page doesn't change
[19-Aug-2010 10:31:42] <themactech> also the discovery process take a bit, wait and refresh device view
[19-Aug-2010 10:31:50] <ericenns> cgibbons: here http://freetexthost.com/sqflzqh30h
[19-Aug-2010 10:31:54] <mray> mugginz: which browser?
[19-Aug-2010 10:32:13] <mugginz> chrome or firefox
[19-Aug-2010 10:32:43] <cgibbons> ok that looks right. when you got that error was there any more context? was it on the CLI or browser?
[19-Aug-2010 10:32:55] <mray> mugginz: stick with Firefox, Chrome currently has some issues
[19-Aug-2010 10:33:38] <themactech> i have a question about ldapuserfolder plugin
[19-Aug-2010 10:33:44] <mugginz> ok thanks mray!
[19-Aug-2010 10:34:08] <themactech> it does not support posix groups, so it won't do group mappings with an Apple OS X Server
[19-Aug-2010 10:34:46] <themactech> a fella out there has a patch to add this functionality, how much pull do you guys have with the folks that upkeep these plugins, any way to have them roll that into the plugin?
[19-Aug-2010 10:35:26] <themactech> I have all the user bindings working with an Apple OD server but can't do groups until the plugin handles posix groups
[19-Aug-2010 10:36:23] <ericenns> cgibbons: it was in the cli ZenPack installation
[19-Aug-2010 10:36:56] <cgibbons> ok, was there any more traceback information that it printed?
[19-Aug-2010 10:37:46] <chemist> afternoon
[19-Aug-2010 10:37:55] <mray> chemist: greetings
[19-Aug-2010 10:38:35] <chemist> general question for the devs, when are we going to be able to create our own dependencies?
[19-Aug-2010 10:39:11] <chemist> I have to monitor 40+ sites over vpns and every time I loose a vpn I get flooded
[19-Aug-2010 10:40:57] <cgibbons> I don't know where it is on our product roadmap. Do you recall the last time it was discussed, mray?
[19-Aug-2010 10:41:38] <ericenns_> cgibbons: Here is the entire traceback http://freetexthost.com/2vsdom2ex6
[19-Aug-2010 10:41:43] <mray> it's usually near the top of my list of requests, but I don't know where it fell in the planning for the next release
[19-Aug-2010 10:41:56] ericenns_ is now known as ericenns
[19-Aug-2010 10:42:58] <chemist> it's the one thing that would make zenoss 99.9% perfect for me
[19-Aug-2010 10:43:06] <chemist> :)
[19-Aug-2010 10:43:17] <cgibbons> eric, can you do a quick experiment with that new zenpack where you just remove the __init__.py completely and try that install again?
[19-Aug-2010 10:43:18] <mray> yeah, I've raised the issue over and over again
[19-Aug-2010 10:43:30] <cgibbons> product prioritization is a tricky, tricky business
[19-Aug-2010 10:43:41] <cgibbons> i have a meeting - i'll be back in 20
[19-Aug-2010 10:45:26] <ericenns> sure I can do that
[19-Aug-2010 10:46:25] <mray> right now they're trying to close out tickets for consideration for 3.0.2, so if there's something bugging you, please open it ASAP
[19-Aug-2010 10:46:48] <mray> because development would prefer to focus on the 3.1 release rather than a 3.0.3 release
[19-Aug-2010 10:48:22] <sciolist> so what are the major features in consideration for the 3.1 release?
[19-Aug-2010 10:48:30] * Simon4 is really struggling to find time to open tickets :(
[19-Aug-2010 10:48:51] <chemist> manual dependencies lol
[19-Aug-2010 10:49:02] <mray> sciolist: I know reporting is #1
[19-Aug-2010 10:49:07] <Simon4> mray: presumably you have slow infrastructure page anyway
[19-Aug-2010 10:49:23] <mray> Simon4: there's a zenpatch for 3.0.1 already for that
[19-Aug-2010 10:49:30] <sciolist> reporting == more customized reports or what?
[19-Aug-2010 10:49:42] <Simon4> have you seen one for opening the reporting page collapsed, not expanded?
[19-Aug-2010 10:49:47] <Simon4> ours takes about a minute to load :)
[19-Aug-2010 10:49:58] <Simon4> 1500 reports might have been outside testing parameters
[19-Aug-2010 10:50:29] <mray> sciolist: normalized data and pushing it out for reporting tools to work on. Probably a 3rd party tool integration for Enterprise (ie. Jasper/Pentaho/Crystal or something)
[19-Aug-2010 10:51:07] <mray> and Enterprise will have vSphere support
[19-Aug-2010 10:53:28] <ericenns> vSphere being esx or esxi
[19-Aug-2010 10:53:51] <mray> ericenns: those are already supported in Enterprise
[19-Aug-2010 10:54:01] <mray> ericenns: vSphere is VMware's private cloud software
[19-Aug-2010 10:54:08] <ericenns> oh i see
[19-Aug-2010 10:54:17] <mray> so moving on up
[19-Aug-2010 10:54:40] <mray> I believe it's in beta right now
[19-Aug-2010 10:55:07] <rocket> 3.1 or whatever the release will be is targeting speed improvements as well
[19-Aug-2010 10:55:16] <mray> oh yeah, dug
[19-Aug-2010 10:55:18] <ericenns> rocket: thank good
[19-Aug-2010 10:55:21] <sciolist> that will certainly be welcome
[19-Aug-2010 10:55:24] <rocket> performance and reliability of zenhub
[19-Aug-2010 10:55:27] <mray> yeah, so that's already in trunk
[19-Aug-2010 10:55:42] <mray> replacing the zodb filestorage with mysql
[19-Aug-2010 10:55:55] <mray> which is 2-4X speed improvement
[19-Aug-2010 10:55:57] <mray> already
[19-Aug-2010 10:55:59] <rocket> easily 10-20% improvement ... possibly as much as 50% or more
[19-Aug-2010 10:56:12] <rocket> caching rrd daemon for io improvements
[19-Aug-2010 10:56:14] <mray> plus the RRDcaching
[19-Aug-2010 10:56:22] <mray> perhaps a MySQL upgrade
[19-Aug-2010 10:56:48] <mray> so everything should be faster across the board
[19-Aug-2010 10:57:07] <mray> so get your 3.0.2 bugs entered so dev can get back on 3.1 :)
[19-Aug-2010 10:57:36] <Simon4> mray: should ent customers raise bugs in trac or the club lounge? (portal)
[19-Aug-2010 10:57:52] <mray> Simon4: either or both :)
[19-Aug-2010 10:58:07] * Simon4 fires one up in teh portal
[19-Aug-2010 10:58:35] <Simon4> it's a showstopper for us, so getting it into 3.0.2 would be great
[19-Aug-2010 10:59:11] <rocket> mray: they are also looking at splitting event processing out of zenhub into its own set of daemons
[19-Aug-2010 10:59:23] <rocket> so that you can have multiple event processing daemons
[19-Aug-2010 10:59:37] <mray> yeah, lots and lots of performance enhancements
[19-Aug-2010 11:00:52] <Simon4> mray: search box coming in 3.0.2? I know there's a non-ent solution now
[19-Aug-2010 11:01:25] <mray> Simon4: yeah, Enterprise has some new search stuff in 3.0 and Core has the Global Device Search
[19-Aug-2010 11:01:37] <Simon4> coolies
[19-Aug-2010 11:01:39] <mray> I'll have a tip of the month for writing your own search extensions
[19-Aug-2010 11:01:41] <Simon4> that's one less ranty ticket then :)
[19-Aug-2010 11:03:44] <ericenns> in my ZenPack im developing I add a device class /Test/Dell to my zenpack then I export it and install and I get a failed installation
[19-Aug-2010 11:04:41] <ericenns> here is the traceback http://freetexthost.com/bfgyfsnml0
[19-Aug-2010 11:06:56] <cgibbons> i am back
[19-Aug-2010 11:07:20] <ericenns> cgibbons: cool I tried it with a different test zenpack
[19-Aug-2010 11:09:04] <cgibbons> without the init?
[19-Aug-2010 11:09:18] <ericenns> this one has a basic __init__.py
[19-Aug-2010 11:11:26] <ericenns> here is the __init__.py http://freetexthost.com/d3cpeywhur
[19-Aug-2010 11:12:42] <cgibbons> can you email me that zenpack again?
[19-Aug-2010 11:12:51] <cgibbons> hrm wait
[19-Aug-2010 11:13:00] <ericenns> this is a different ZenPack
[19-Aug-2010 11:13:16] <cgibbons> the methods in the ZenPack loader aren't gonna help here i think
[19-Aug-2010 11:13:22] <ericenns> ok
[19-Aug-2010 11:14:34] <ericenns> cgibbons: I have an idea
[19-Aug-2010 11:19:32] <ericenns> cgibbons: I created a blank zenpack then added a device organizer to it
[19-Aug-2010 11:19:37] <ericenns> cgibbons: installing it now
[19-Aug-2010 11:21:07] <ericenns> cgibbons: traceback http://freetexthost.com/rxk4jbutjn
[19-Aug-2010 11:27:55] <ericenns> any ideas?
[19-Aug-2010 11:34:27] <theacolyte> wuuuut
[19-Aug-2010 11:35:15] <ericenns> device class generation from objects.xml?
[19-Aug-2010 11:36:10] <ericenns> thats whats the pros told me to do
[19-Aug-2010 11:48:33] <ericenns> cgibbons: any help?
[19-Aug-2010 11:50:27] aclark_ is now known as aclark
[19-Aug-2010 12:06:19] <ericenns> so Zenoss can create a device class that is only 1 layer deep
[19-Aug-2010 12:13:22] <rocket> ericenns: as far as I recall it isnt recursive .. you need to explicitly create each layer
[19-Aug-2010 12:14:04] <ericenns> ok I think I might create a ticket to request that
[19-Aug-2010 12:14:19] <cgibbons> sorry i am back now
[19-Aug-2010 12:14:31] <cgibbons> ah right, in your zenpack add /Test and then add /Test/Dell to the zenpack each
[19-Aug-2010 12:14:46] <ericenns> ok
[19-Aug-2010 12:15:38] <ericenns> well I'm fine with that then
[19-Aug-2010 12:16:47] <cgibbons> that can be subtle sometimes, if you're augmenting a device class that's always there in your install but might not be in others
[19-Aug-2010 12:17:25] <ericenns> ok good to know
[19-Aug-2010 12:22:41] <quas> Hi all. Set up the newest Zenoss Community Edition about a week ago. Need to monitor websites to make sure they are loading, and notifying me if they are not, so I found from googling HTTPmonitor. I installed the zenpack, and added what I thought were the correct pieces of info to monitor a production site, and watched. One of my production sites that was supposed to be monitored by Zenoss went down, and Zenoss did not know. So, gu
[19-Aug-2010 12:22:53] <quas> Could someone please help/point me in the right direction?
[19-Aug-2010 12:50:23] <mducharme-laptop> afternoon
[19-Aug-2010 12:50:33] <gemineye> Does Zenoss support pushing data from remote collectors to a master server or only pulling from them?
[19-Aug-2010 12:52:42] <mducharme-laptop> gemineye have you tried it out yet?
[19-Aug-2010 12:54:05] <gemineye> mducharme-laptop: All the documentation I can find on the Zenpacks to automate it say they ssh from the master server to the remote collectors. I'd try it out if I could find something telling me how to do it the other way around.
[19-Aug-2010 12:55:09] <quas> Anyone around to help me figure out where I went wrong in my httpmonitor configuration?
[19-Aug-2010 13:01:03] <mray> quas: maybe ask over in #zenoss-testing, the QA team may have more experience with httpmonitor
[19-Aug-2010 13:01:23] <quas> Ok, thank you!
[19-Aug-2010 13:01:38] <mray> they're looking for 3.0 issus
[19-Aug-2010 13:01:45] <mray> s/issus/issues/
[19-Aug-2010 13:03:40] <gemineye> Wouldn't s/s$/es/ be shorter?
[19-Aug-2010 13:05:11] <mray> yes, yes it would
[19-Aug-2010 13:11:52] <ashp> Hmm, time to figure out the best way to do external checks of stuff like imap/pop3
[19-Aug-2010 13:11:57] <ashp> i probably don't want to try and model the remote servers :D
[19-Aug-2010 13:13:44] <ashp> oh look, another 3.0.1 bug
[19-Aug-2010 13:16:29] <ashp> 140.247.209.21 - Anonymous [19/Aug/2010:14:16:11 -0400] "GET /zport/dmd/Devices/Network/BIG-IP/devices/10.241.209.11/bigIpDeviceDetail HTTP/1.1" 404 2807 "http://zenoss.law.harvard.edu:8080/zport/dmd/Devices/Network/BIG-IP/devices/10.241.209.11/devicedetail" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.6 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/6.0.495.0 Safari/534.6"
[19-Aug-2010 13:16:34] <ashp> 140.247.209.21 - Anonymous [19/Aug/2010:14:16:11 -0400] "POST /zport/dmd/Devices/Network/BIG-IP/devices/10.241.209.11/messaging_router HTTP/1.1" 200 278 "http://zenoss.law.harvard.edu:8080/zport/dmd/Devices/Network/BIG-IP/devices/10.241.209.11/devicedetail" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.6 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/6.0.495.0 Safari/534.6"
[19-Aug-2010 13:16:39] <ashp> argh, sorry
[19-Aug-2010 13:16:43] <ashp> wrong window - I was aiming for sugarcrm :/
[19-Aug-2010 13:24:55] <Simon4> ashp: you could model em... define the ip services, then set up a device class for servers that only do ipservice checking
[19-Aug-2010 13:25:00] <Simon4> turn off all the other collector plugins
[19-Aug-2010 13:25:16] <Simon4> and use the nmap ipservice plugin :)
[19-Aug-2010 13:25:29] <Simon4> I'm sure the imap server admins won't mind a portscan or two
[19-Aug-2010 13:27:42] <quas> Well, not a lot of chatter in zenoss-testing... Too bad. What do you all use to monitor production websites?
[19-Aug-2010 13:28:28] <Simon4> quas: comments on twitter ;)
[19-Aug-2010 13:28:59] <gemineye> I let my customers tell me when the site isn't reachable :)
[19-Aug-2010 13:29:23] <quas> lmfao
[19-Aug-2010 13:29:34] <quas> BUsiness is either that good, or that nonexistant...
[19-Aug-2010 13:29:56] <Simon4> quas: lets just say the website is fairly popular
[19-Aug-2010 13:30:01] <mducharme-laptop> quas don't you just monitor it with zenoss itself?
[19-Aug-2010 13:30:16] <quas> How would I do that?
[19-Aug-2010 13:30:57] <quas> Everything I read said I needed httpmonitor or another one that was paid for.
[19-Aug-2010 13:31:13] <ring> what kind of monitoring are you trying to do?
[19-Aug-2010 13:31:28] <quas> I need to make sure a webpage loads, and does not error off.
[19-Aug-2010 13:31:38] <Simon4> quas: there's a synthetic web transactions zenpack
[19-Aug-2010 13:31:57] <Simon4> which lets you do all sorts of fun interaction with web servers
[19-Aug-2010 13:32:56] <ring> thats for enterprise though
[19-Aug-2010 13:33:18] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[19-Aug-2010 13:33:32] <mducharme-laptop> in cacti we have rrdtool showing snmp values at the bottom of the graph
[19-Aug-2010 13:33:34] <mducharme-laptop> simple numerical things
[19-Aug-2010 13:33:38] <ring> quas: you should be able to install the HttpMonitor zenpack free of charge
[19-Aug-2010 13:33:40] <mducharme-laptop> I wonder how to do that in zenoss
[19-Aug-2010 13:33:44] <ring> check this out
[19-Aug-2010 13:33:45] <ring> docs/DOC-3431
[19-Aug-2010 13:33:54] <ring> i've never used it but i iamgine itll check response codes
[19-Aug-2010 13:34:04] <Simon4> mducharme-laptop: you can add any rrdtool datatype to a graph
[19-Aug-2010 13:34:13] <mducharme-laptop> ok
[19-Aug-2010 13:34:13] <Simon4> just find the graph definition in the template and "add custom"
[19-Aug-2010 13:34:19] <Simon4> from memory
[19-Aug-2010 13:34:19] <mducharme-laptop> cool
[19-Aug-2010 13:34:23] <mducharme-laptop> oh..
[19-Aug-2010 13:34:33] <quas> ring - I have it installed, but it did not report a down site, and I thought I had it set up right. That is what I was asking here - what do you guys recommend, and if it is httpmonitor, could you help me figure out what I did wrong.
[19-Aug-2010 13:34:37] <mray> There's a Community Synthetic Web Transactions ZenPack: docs/DOC-3757
[19-Aug-2010 13:34:40] <ring> ah
[19-Aug-2010 13:34:48] <mducharme-laptop> I just tried doing a backup of my zenoss and I'm kinda confused.. it says Backup timed out after 120 seconds. and then it says DONE
[19-Aug-2010 13:34:59] <mducharme-laptop> is it actually done?
[19-Aug-2010 13:35:02] <ericenns> I get failed when trying to remove a device how would I go about removing it then
[19-Aug-2010 13:35:06] <mducharme-laptop> like do I have a backup
[19-Aug-2010 13:35:25] <mducharme-laptop> it looks like I do
[19-Aug-2010 13:35:28] <mducharme-laptop> but do I have everything
[19-Aug-2010 13:35:30] <mducharme-laptop> since this thing timed out
[19-Aug-2010 13:37:06] <quas> That synthetic web transactions zenpack looks pretty sweet if I can figure out how to set it up...
[19-Aug-2010 13:41:06] <mray> quas: you need to install Twill
[19-Aug-2010 13:49:28] <ericenns> I have a big error NotFound DiskArray-0
[19-Aug-2010 13:49:39] <ericenns> how do I delete the device if its not found
[19-Aug-2010 13:57:36] brandonleach_ is now known as brandonleach
[19-Aug-2010 13:57:50] <ashp> well, i know why bigip details doesn't work for me in 3.0.1
[19-Aug-2010 13:57:54] <ashp> because it doesn't model the bigip right :(
[19-Aug-2010 13:58:04] <ashp> KeyError: 'totalHostMemory'
[19-Aug-2010 13:58:16] <ashp> http://pastebin.com/paDDY7yR
[19-Aug-2010 13:59:23] <ericenns> can I delete a device from within zope ie /zport/dmd/manage
[19-Aug-2010 14:00:47] <Simon4> ericenns: try from zendmd
[19-Aug-2010 14:01:18] <ericenns> how do I delete from zendmd
[19-Aug-2010 14:01:47] <ericenns> i get this error WARNING ZenModel.DeviceOrganizer Stale deviceSearch record: /zport/dmd/Devices/Network/SAN/EqualLogic/devices/DiskArray-0
[19-Aug-2010 14:01:47] <Simon4> as the zenoss user run "zendmd"
[19-Aug-2010 14:02:01] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[19-Aug-2010 14:02:04] <Simon4> then try dev = find('devicename')
[19-Aug-2010 14:02:07] <Simon4> then dev.deleteDevice()
[19-Aug-2010 14:02:28] <ericenns> it is not found
[19-Aug-2010 14:02:48] <Simon4> that's special
[19-Aug-2010 14:03:00] <Simon4> are you sure the warning wasn't just that, a warning, and the device actually got deleted?
[19-Aug-2010 14:03:04] <ericenns> ya but I keep getting errors about it
[19-Aug-2010 14:03:13] <Simon4> hmm
[19-Aug-2010 14:03:19] <Simon4> possibly still in the catalogue then
[19-Aug-2010 14:03:21] <ericenns> zenoss still thinks it exists
[19-Aug-2010 14:03:35] <ericenns> can I remove it from the catalogue
[19-Aug-2010 14:03:45] <Simon4> yeah, just checking how to do it again
[19-Aug-2010 14:04:04] <ericenns> ok thanks
[19-Aug-2010 14:04:51] <Simon4> right
[19-Aug-2010 14:04:58] <Simon4> go to http://your.url:8080/zport/dmd/manage
[19-Aug-2010 14:05:13] <Simon4> and click on "Devices" in the top left corner
[19-Aug-2010 14:05:19] <ericenns> ok
[19-Aug-2010 14:05:31] <Simon4> in the main window you'll see deviceSearch, click on it
[19-Aug-2010 14:05:42] <ericenns> ok
[19-Aug-2010 14:05:46] <Simon4> then pick the "catalog" tab
[19-Aug-2010 14:05:52] <Simon4> (up the top)
[19-Aug-2010 14:06:01] <ericenns> k
[19-Aug-2010 14:06:09] <Simon4> can you see your device in there?
[19-Aug-2010 14:06:46] <ericenns> found it and removed it
[19-Aug-2010 14:07:03] <Simon4> see if that quietens things down
[19-Aug-2010 14:07:35] <ericenns> i'll let you know what happens
[19-Aug-2010 14:09:34] <cgibbons> ugh
[19-Aug-2010 14:09:46] <ericenns> still doing it
[19-Aug-2010 14:11:29] <ericenns> checking component search
[19-Aug-2010 14:11:48] <Simon4> plan
[19-Aug-2010 14:16:39] <ashp> oh for fucks sake, if this is failing because the password has $ in i will be sad
[19-Aug-2010 14:18:06] <ericenns> still doing it
[19-Aug-2010 14:23:26] <cgibbons> bigegor, you awake?
[19-Aug-2010 14:23:41] <bigegor> yes, i'm here
[19-Aug-2010 14:23:47] <cgibbons> WMIPerformanceMonitor is your zenpack right?
[19-Aug-2010 14:24:17] <bigegor> WMIPerf_Windows is my
[19-Aug-2010 14:24:51] <cgibbons> hurm wonder what that one is
[19-Aug-2010 14:24:57] <cgibbons> it's just called that, too, not ZenPacks.whatever.WMIPerformanceMonitor
[19-Aug-2010 14:25:16] <ericenns> Simon4: so even after removing from component search catalog it gives me same error when trying to go to infrastructure
[19-Aug-2010 14:26:11] <Simon4> ericenns: hmm, i'm lost then sorry
[19-Aug-2010 14:26:19] <ericenns> thanks anyways
[19-Aug-2010 14:30:11] <bigegor> cgibbons: you mean this one? http://blog.dastrup.com/?p=13
[19-Aug-2010 14:30:45] <cgibbons> yeah indeed, old pre-egg one huh?
[19-Aug-2010 14:31:53] <ericenns> Simon4: did a zendisc and readded the device and it's all cheery now
[19-Aug-2010 14:32:00] <Simon4> ericenns: awesome :)
[19-Aug-2010 14:32:34] <bigegor> cgibbons: i think so
[19-Aug-2010 14:32:44] <ericenns> Can I remove a component for a device using zendmd
[19-Aug-2010 14:32:50] <cgibbons> yep
[19-Aug-2010 14:36:13] <ashp> grumble grumble WMI grumble
[19-Aug-2010 14:39:19] <cgibbons> WMI, my favorite!
[19-Aug-2010 14:41:06] <rocket> mine too .. :p
[19-Aug-2010 14:46:52] <ashp> it was actually problems in our environment, they wanted me to monitor the SCOM server :D
[19-Aug-2010 14:46:57] <ashp> so now zenoss is monitoring SCOM
[19-Aug-2010 14:47:08] <ashp> i've never monitored a windows box so it was a pain to sort out the domain account stuff i needed
[19-Aug-2010 14:54:11] <jro> is there a way to change the zensyslog port? I changed the port number in zensyslog.py yet it's still listening on 514 and conflicting with rsyslog
[19-Aug-2010 14:54:38] <jro> if I disable zensyslog in the init script, zenoss gives heartbeat events up the wazu
[19-Aug-2010 14:56:27] <Simon4> jro: you can create an empty file called DAEMONS_TXT_ONLY in $ZENHOME/etc and then a file called daemons.txt in the same place that lists the daemons to start when zenoss starts
[19-Aug-2010 14:57:05] <Simon4> you can also go to "collectors" then pick "clear heartbeats" from the dop down menu to clear any existing heartbeat issues and prevent new ones
[19-Aug-2010 14:57:06] <jro> Simon4: with that method will it still give heartbeat alerts?
[19-Aug-2010 14:57:20] <Simon4> nope
[19-Aug-2010 14:57:29] <jro> hm, found another place to edit the port
[19-Aug-2010 14:57:33] <jro> going to try that first
[19-Aug-2010 14:57:36] <Simon4> you may need to clear em once, but htat'll be it
[19-Aug-2010 14:58:09] <jro> ah that worked
[19-Aug-2010 14:58:14] <jro> ty tho!
[19-Aug-2010 14:59:33] <mducharme-laptop> hrm this is strange
[19-Aug-2010 14:59:41] <mducharme-laptop> I am trying to add products into a zenpack
[19-Aug-2010 14:59:46] <mducharme-laptop> I have the manufacturer added
[19-Aug-2010 14:59:49] <mducharme-laptop> I add the products
[19-Aug-2010 14:59:57] <mducharme-laptop> but it doesn't add the /products folder itself
[19-Aug-2010 15:00:13] <mducharme-laptop> so when I go to install my zenpack into another instance, it complains that the /products folder does not exist
[19-Aug-2010 15:00:21] <mducharme-laptop> I cannot seem to find a way to add the /products folder into the zenpack
[19-Aug-2010 15:00:24] <mducharme-laptop> how do I do that?
[19-Aug-2010 15:00:53] <mducharme-laptop> because it adds /Manufacturer name and it adds /Manufacturer name/products/Product name 1 etc
[19-Aug-2010 15:01:00] <mducharme-laptop> anybody know?
[19-Aug-2010 15:01:20] <ericenns> add each sub level to the zenpack
[19-Aug-2010 15:01:55] <ericenns> so that it shows each level under ZenPack Provides
[19-Aug-2010 15:05:31] <mducharme-laptop> ericenns - that's fine but there's no option to add that sublevel to the zenpack
[19-Aug-2010 15:05:34] <mducharme-laptop> ahh mray
[19-Aug-2010 15:05:38] <mducharme-laptop> maybe you know
[19-Aug-2010 15:06:37] <mducharme-laptop> he's not there I guess
[19-Aug-2010 15:06:48] <mducharme-laptop> ericenns - there is no option to add the /products folder to the zenpack....
[19-Aug-2010 15:06:52] <ericenns> mducharme-laptop: hmm
[19-Aug-2010 15:07:09] <mducharme-laptop> it's really weird
[19-Aug-2010 15:07:30] <Simon4> mducharme-laptop: if it's just a single known product (or two etc) you could add them in the __init__.py 's install method for the zenpack
[19-Aug-2010 15:07:40] <Simon4> vs trying to add em to the objects.xml for loading
[19-Aug-2010 15:08:33] <mducharme-laptop> heh
[19-Aug-2010 15:08:39] <mducharme-laptop> I don't want to make this too complicated simon4
[19-Aug-2010 15:08:44] <mducharme-laptop> my current priority is moving this to a new box
[19-Aug-2010 15:08:56] <mducharme-laptop> I am moving my current installation to a new box.. it's an in house developed zenpack
[19-Aug-2010 15:09:04] <mducharme-laptop> I had never tried installing it on a different system before
[19-Aug-2010 15:09:36] <Simon4> why not just backup old box and restore onto new, taking the ZenPacks dir with you?
[19-Aug-2010 15:11:10] <Simon4> zenbackup/zenrestore etc
[19-Aug-2010 15:11:50] <mducharme-laptop> that's what I'm doing simon4, but this document says that zenbackup does not back up the zenpacks
[19-Aug-2010 15:12:06] <mducharme-laptop> that the same zenpacks have to be installed on the box
[19-Aug-2010 15:12:18] <mducharme-laptop> I figured it out though
[19-Aug-2010 15:12:23] <Simon4> so I found that if you get a zenbackup, restore it, then also restore a tar up of $ZENHOME/ZenPacks and $ZENHOME/Products, life is gravy
[19-Aug-2010 15:12:28] <mducharme-laptop> /zport/dmd/Manufacturers/Trango Systems%2C Inc./products/dialog_addOneToZenPack
[19-Aug-2010 15:12:31] <mducharme-laptop> I browsed to that
[19-Aug-2010 15:12:32] <Simon4> so long as the versions are the same
[19-Aug-2010 15:12:35] <mducharme-laptop> in my web browser
[19-Aug-2010 15:12:42] <Simon4> we do that to move live to a dev env once a week
[19-Aug-2010 15:14:07] <mducharme-laptop> you do?
[19-Aug-2010 15:14:24] <Simon4> yeah, devs don't get access to live :)
[19-Aug-2010 15:14:29] <mducharme-laptop> this document made it sound like if my zenpacks were not all moved over that everything would be screwy
[19-Aug-2010 15:15:04] <mducharme-laptop> well if this will move it all over then I don't have to worry
[19-Aug-2010 15:15:20] <Simon4> yeah, getting ZenPacks + Products for me at least gets all of ours across without having to reinstall anything
[19-Aug-2010 15:15:35] <Simon4> I have a ticket open for myself to write an extended zenbackup that does such things
[19-Aug-2010 15:15:44] <Simon4> (in works ticketing system)
[19-Aug-2010 15:15:48] <Simon4> one day I'll get there
[19-Aug-2010 15:16:41] <Simon4> I found stuff was screwy if you didn't grab Products also, which zenbackup doesn't
[19-Aug-2010 15:16:55] <Simon4> that's possibly because our dodgy inhouse zenpacks do fun things though :)
[19-Aug-2010 15:17:10] <mducharme-laptop> docs/DOC-5306
[19-Aug-2010 15:17:19] <mducharme-laptop> simon4 that document disagrees with you
[19-Aug-2010 15:17:20] <mducharme-laptop> heh
[19-Aug-2010 15:18:52] <mrayzenoss> I think that got fixed in the 3.0 timeframe
[19-Aug-2010 15:18:57] <Simon4> yeah, that document only uses zenbackup and zenrestore
[19-Aug-2010 15:19:03] <Simon4> and doesn't grab the Products dir
[19-Aug-2010 15:19:12] <Simon4> and as of 2.5.2 zenbackup gets /ZenPacks
[19-Aug-2010 15:19:17] <Simon4> which was a great start
[19-Aug-2010 15:19:42] <Simon4> tis listed as "experimental" from memory in teh --help output of zenbackup :)
[19-Aug-2010 15:20:57] <mducharme-laptop> i am on 2.5.2
[19-Aug-2010 15:21:17] <mducharme-laptop> do I get the zenpacks backed up when I run zenbackup through the web gui?
[19-Aug-2010 15:21:33] * Simon4 isn't sure, Ive never backed up using the web gui
[19-Aug-2010 15:23:11] <ericenns> does portal_type = meta_type match my class name
[19-Aug-2010 15:23:18] <ericenns> have to*
[19-Aug-2010 15:27:29] * Simon4 needs to start running 3.0.something somewhere in anger.. just realising that the advice I give people is all 2.5 biased :)
[19-Aug-2010 15:35:10] <ericenns> Simon4: i'm new to irc how did you just do that
[19-Aug-2010 15:35:22] <Simon4> ericenns: type /me does something
[19-Aug-2010 15:35:31] * mrayzenoss was just about to point that out
[19-Aug-2010 15:35:38] * ericenns will have another long day
[19-Aug-2010 15:37:08] <mducharme-laptop> is there a dmd.getClassByPath?
[19-Aug-2010 15:37:15] <mducharme-laptop> like getObjByPath?
[19-Aug-2010 15:37:26] <mducharme-laptop> because I want to call addToZenPack for a class
[19-Aug-2010 15:37:30] <mducharme-laptop> not sure how to reference the class
[19-Aug-2010 15:37:56] <mrayzenoss> mducharme-laptop: getOrganizer("/Discovered")
[19-Aug-2010 15:38:15] <mrayzenoss> you can also use getOrganizer with locations, systems and groups I believe
[19-Aug-2010 15:40:41] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[19-Aug-2010 15:41:21] <mducharme-laptop> dmd.getOrganizer("/Discovered") returns an attribute error
[19-Aug-2010 15:42:49] <mrayzenoss> mducharme-laptop: oops, got that from http://zenpacks.zenoss.org/trac-zenpacks/browser/zenpacks/ZenPacks.community.Cfengine/ZenPacks/community/Cfengine/CfengineClient.py
[19-Aug-2010 15:43:20] <mrayzenoss> that dmd was getDmdRoot("Devices")
[19-Aug-2010 15:43:35] <mducharme-laptop> what's the dmdroot for products?
[19-Aug-2010 15:43:41] <mducharme-laptop> the manufacturers one
[19-Aug-2010 15:43:57] <mrayzenoss> without starting up zendmd, I'd guess so
[19-Aug-2010 15:44:03] <mrayzenoss> there's tab-complete you know
[19-Aug-2010 15:44:10] <mducharme-laptop> oh right
[19-Aug-2010 15:46:40] <mrayzenoss> The MRV Wireless and Funkwerk Router Monitor ZenPacks have been updated, they're now Zenoss 3.0 compatible
[19-Aug-2010 15:46:48] <mrayzenoss> docs/DOC-3453
[19-Aug-2010 15:46:57] <mrayzenoss> and docs/DOC-3487
[19-Aug-2010 15:47:58] <mducharme-laptop> yeah there is no getOrganizer property
[19-Aug-2010 15:48:11] <mrayzenoss> it's a method
[19-Aug-2010 15:48:38] <cgibbons> shedw
[19-Aug-2010 15:48:42] <cgibbons> bbl
[19-Aug-2010 15:48:53] <mducharme-laptop> er method
[19-Aug-2010 15:48:54] <mducharme-laptop> sorry
[19-Aug-2010 15:49:11] <mducharme-laptop> there is no getOrganizer method in dmd.Manufacturers
[19-Aug-2010 15:49:42] <mrayzenoss> well that sucks
[19-Aug-2010 15:50:14] <mrayzenoss> findProduct?
[19-Aug-2010 15:51:02] <mducharme-laptop> it's not really a product I want though mray heh
[19-Aug-2010 15:51:04] <mducharme-laptop> that's the problem
[19-Aug-2010 15:51:16] <mducharme-laptop> findproduct works to find the product
[19-Aug-2010 15:52:51] <mducharme-laptop> mrayzenoss see the problem is that this zenpack will not install because the manufacturer is added to the zenpack but the products subclass of the manufacturer is not added to the zenpack
[19-Aug-2010 15:52:59] <mducharme-laptop> there is no option to add the products subclass to the zenpack
[19-Aug-2010 15:53:21] <mducharme-laptop> i can use the addToZenPack method in the dmd
[19-Aug-2010 15:53:30] <mducharme-laptop> if I had a way of instantiating the class.......
[19-Aug-2010 15:54:42] <mrayzenoss> ahh… sounds like a question for cgibbons when he gets back, or if any of the other devs are around
[19-Aug-2010 16:09:08] <ericenns> I'm making a zenpack for a Dell Equal Logic and the oid's used to represent the Storage Pools have an index but since we only have one storage pool we dont get anything returned for the index what should I set the id to in my zenpack?
[19-Aug-2010 16:09:28] <ericenns> nevermind
[19-Aug-2010 16:09:48] <ericenns> ignore the nevermind
[19-Aug-2010 16:18:01] <ericenns> found a work around
[19-Aug-2010 16:26:30] <mducharme-laptop> the index can be blank, ericenns
[19-Aug-2010 16:26:53] <ericenns> ok I have another problem now
[19-Aug-2010 16:26:59] <ericenns> I have two oid tables
[19-Aug-2010 16:27:21] <ericenns> that I want to grab data from for my storage pool but I have no snmpindex do I just leave that blank then
[19-Aug-2010 16:28:40] <ericenns> in a zenpack of course
[19-Aug-2010 16:30:36] <mducharme-laptop> yes
[19-Aug-2010 16:30:56] <mducharme-laptop> if there is only one pool, and there will always only be one pool
[19-Aug-2010 16:31:25] <mducharme-laptop> otherwise you need to find a way of cross referencing which pool it is referring to
[19-Aug-2010 16:31:38] <mducharme-laptop> the most annoying thing is when you have data in different tables that use different indexes
[19-Aug-2010 16:31:43] <mducharme-laptop> finding ways to correlate things
[19-Aug-2010 16:32:31] <ericenns> ya
[19-Aug-2010 16:34:30] <mducharme-laptop> I am having that issue with this other thing
[19-Aug-2010 16:35:20] <ericenns> ok fun stuff
[19-Aug-2010 16:40:50] <zphefr> is there any talk of fully supporting chrome?
[19-Aug-2010 16:43:17] <mrayzenoss> zphefr: most of the devs use it some, so it's not intentionally unsupported
[19-Aug-2010 16:43:38] <mrayzenoss> ie. they usually test on Chrome
[19-Aug-2010 16:43:50] <mrayzenoss> 3.0 somehow slipped through with some badness
[19-Aug-2010 16:43:54] <zphefr> hm, maybe something is wrong with my setup, im trying to remodel devices after the upgrade to 3.0, but the pop-up window stays blank
[19-Aug-2010 16:43:55] <mrayzenoss> 3.0.1 fixes it
[19-Aug-2010 16:44:03] <mrayzenoss> yeah, that's the badness
[19-Aug-2010 16:44:03] <zphefr> oh, i should probably upgrade then
[19-Aug-2010 16:44:12] <zphefr> thank you
[19-Aug-2010 16:44:21] <zphefr> i didnt see that bugfix in the release notes
[19-Aug-2010 16:44:32] <mrayzenoss> hmm… I thought it was in 3.0.1
[19-Aug-2010 16:44:36] <mrayzenoss> lemme go check
[19-Aug-2010 16:44:58] * mrayzenoss is off to model with chrome
[19-Aug-2010 16:45:08] <zphefr> i probably just misread it
[19-Aug-2010 16:47:30] <mrayzenoss> yeah, it's fixed in 3.0.1
[19-Aug-2010 16:47:41] <mrayzenoss> it pops up a window instead of the modal dialog
[19-Aug-2010 16:47:54] <zphefr> awesome, ill start that upgrade
[19-Aug-2010 16:54:12] <mrayzenoss> Speaking of updates… the following 3 zenpacks have been reported to work with Zenoss 3.0
[19-Aug-2010 16:54:19] <mrayzenoss> nginx status: docs/DOC-7441
[19-Aug-2010 16:54:31] <mducharme-laptop> hrm, now I wonder when cgibbons will be getting back
[19-Aug-2010 16:54:40] <mrayzenoss> Powerware UPS: docs/DOC-3413
[19-Aug-2010 16:54:58] <mrayzenoss> pfSense: docs/DOC-3395
[19-Aug-2010 17:01:09] <mducharme-laptop> and at some point 3.0 will be stable enough to run in production heh
[19-Aug-2010 17:01:58] <mducharme-laptop> I will post my trango zenpack on the zenpacks site after I make sure that everything is good with it
[19-Aug-2010 17:02:06] <mducharme-laptop> with 3.0..
[19-Aug-2010 17:02:11] <mducharme-laptop> and after I get this problem fixed
[19-Aug-2010 17:02:16] <mrayzenoss> looking forward to it
[19-Aug-2010 17:03:33] <ericenns> mrayzenoss: when is that contest done for zenpacks
[19-Aug-2010 17:03:43] <mrayzenoss> end of next month
[19-Aug-2010 17:03:56] <ericenns> sweet should be done my zenpack by then
[19-Aug-2010 17:04:14] <mrayzenoss> feel free to test other zenpacks for easy entries
[19-Aug-2010 17:04:39] <ericenns> ok
[19-Aug-2010 17:05:39] <mrayzenoss> hey mducharme-laptop, maybe mrchippy can help you?
[19-Aug-2010 17:05:53] <mducharme-laptop> mrchippy?
[19-Aug-2010 17:06:01] <mrayzenoss> he's a dev
[19-Aug-2010 17:06:02] <mrchippy> yeah, wuzzup?
[19-Aug-2010 17:06:09] <mducharme-laptop> ahh mrchippy
[19-Aug-2010 17:06:26] <mducharme-laptop> I'd like to know how to add something to a zenpack from the zendmd command line
[19-Aug-2010 17:06:53] <mducharme-laptop> specifically I have /Manufacturers/Trango Systems, Inc./products/M900S-AP
[19-Aug-2010 17:07:00] <mducharme-laptop> I have added M900S-AP into the zenpack through the webgui
[19-Aug-2010 17:07:11] <mducharme-laptop> I added Trango Systems, Inc. through the webgui
[19-Aug-2010 17:07:25] <mducharme-laptop> but the zenpack won't deploy because "products" is not in the zenpack
[19-Aug-2010 17:07:47] <mducharme-laptop> there is no option in the gui to add it so I'm trying to figure out how to instantiate it in the zendmd command line in such a way that it has an addToZenPack method
[19-Aug-2010 17:08:17] <mrchippy> hold please-- looking at the code---
[19-Aug-2010 17:10:19] <mducharme-laptop> oh crap
[19-Aug-2010 17:10:22] <mrchippy> that shouldn't be the case. "products" is not an ZenModelRM, it's a Relationship.
[19-Aug-2010 17:10:30] <mrchippy> what's the crap?
[19-Aug-2010 17:10:37] <mducharme-laptop> I have to pick up my car
[19-Aug-2010 17:10:42] <mrchippy> doh!
[19-Aug-2010 17:10:44] <mducharme-laptop> the car place closes in a few minutes
[19-Aug-2010 17:10:47] <mducharme-laptop> I have to run
[19-Aug-2010 17:11:04] <mrayzenoss> mducharme-laptop: post on the zenoss-dev forums
[19-Aug-2010 17:11:06] <mrchippy> ok, i'll be on the dev session tomorrow. that's tomorrow right, mray?
[19-Aug-2010 17:11:08] <mducharme-laptop> mrchippy well regardless it doesn't work because products is not in the zenpack
[19-Aug-2010 17:11:09] <mducharme-laptop> ok
[19-Aug-2010 17:11:11] <mducharme-laptop> I will
[19-Aug-2010 17:11:14] <mrayzenoss> mrchippy: that was today
[19-Aug-2010 17:11:15] <mducharme-laptop> ttyl...
[19-Aug-2010 17:11:17] <mrchippy> doh!
[19-Aug-2010 17:11:41] <mrchippy> today's thursday?
[19-Aug-2010 17:11:53] <mrchippy> wow, i gotta ease up on the cough syrup
[19-Aug-2010 17:11:54] <mrayzenoss> welcome to your workweek
[19-Aug-2010 17:12:02] <ptmcg> it's August?
[19-Aug-2010 17:14:19] <ericenns> if I want a temporary variable in my map.py file how do I do that
[19-Aug-2010 17:15:32] <ericenns> for an snmp plugin
[19-Aug-2010 17:15:57] <ericenns> mrchippy: any ideas?
[19-Aug-2010 17:16:42] <mrchippy> oh sorry, i was trying to reproduce muducharme's bug.
[19-Aug-2010 17:17:00] <ericenns> oh well then I won't interrupt you
[19-Aug-2010 17:17:07] <mrchippy> a variable in a modeler plugin?
[19-Aug-2010 17:17:11] <ericenns> correct
[19-Aug-2010 17:17:21] <mrchippy> how temporary?
[19-Aug-2010 17:17:41] <ericenns> it will get manipulated then set to om.othervar then im done
[19-Aug-2010 17:19:22] <ericenns> I can show you my code
[19-Aug-2010 17:27:35] <zphefr> the only other issue i had was being able to select multiple events at once easily, to delete them in bulk
[19-Aug-2010 17:28:09] <mrayzenoss> zphefr: try using the ajax filters and then using Select All
[19-Aug-2010 17:28:22] <mrayzenoss> or control-clicking
[19-Aug-2010 17:28:45] <zphefr> i saw some ticket about how it was fixed in trunk, but i couldnt tell whether that was fixed in 3.0.1
[19-Aug-2010 17:28:48] <ericenns> allow the shift-click it is mighty
[19-Aug-2010 17:28:58] <zphefr> yeah, i could control-click but that takes a while
[19-Aug-2010 17:31:35] <zphefr> mrayzenoss, the filters work well though, thanks
[19-Aug-2010 17:32:31] <mrayzenoss> ericenns: were you here yesterday for this discussion?
[19-Aug-2010 17:32:52] <ericenns> I was here yesterday
[19-Aug-2010 17:33:08] <ericenns> I dunno about this discussion
[19-Aug-2010 17:33:24] <mrayzenoss> shift-click was removed because it gets broken by ajax refreshes
[19-Aug-2010 17:33:36] <mrayzenoss> it was in 2.5, but it was broken
[19-Aug-2010 17:33:51] <ericenns> oh I see well I guess that makes sense
[19-Aug-2010 17:33:52] <mrayzenoss> and if the event list refreshed when you did a shift-click, it would change your selection
[19-Aug-2010 17:34:04] <ericenns> ok
[19-Aug-2010 17:34:15] <zphefr> can you suspend ajax refreshes while multiple-events are selected?
[19-Aug-2010 17:34:34] <mrayzenoss> so you would see a different selection than what was actually selected, leading to random events being acknowledged/closed
[19-Aug-2010 17:34:43] <ericenns> mrayzenoss: do you know why they removed the change device class while in a device, In for one dont like having to drag and drop
[19-Aug-2010 17:34:47] <mrayzenoss> zphefr: if the ExtJS guys implement it we'll pick it back up
[19-Aug-2010 17:35:04] <mrayzenoss> ericenns: I agree
[19-Aug-2010 17:35:18] <mrayzenoss> feel free to open an enhancement and I'll push it
[19-Aug-2010 17:35:38] <ericenns> ok is that just like a ticket
[19-Aug-2010 17:35:39] <zphefr> using the select filter helps a lot though
[19-Aug-2010 17:36:06] <zphefr> i didnt notice it because they only show up on the main event console
[19-Aug-2010 17:36:14] <zphefr> it'd be nice to have those operations on the per-device event page
[19-Aug-2010 17:39:03] <ericenns> mrayzenoss: priority
[19-Aug-2010 17:39:16] <mrayzenoss> 2
[19-Aug-2010 17:40:12] <ericenns> mrayzenoss: here she is http://dev.zenoss.org/trac/ticket/7245 added some humour via way of explaining
[19-Aug-2010 17:41:03] <ericenns> mrayzenoss: hope you like it
[19-Aug-2010 17:42:40] * ericenns is approaching the 11th hour
[19-Aug-2010 17:44:37] <mrayzenoss> much appreciated
[19-Aug-2010 18:09:18] <mducharme> ok mrchippy
[19-Aug-2010 18:09:26] <mducharme> I am home now
[19-Aug-2010 18:09:34] <mducharme> I posted in the zenoss-dev forum about that
[19-Aug-2010 18:13:45] <mducharme> now I have to look at decommissioning this nagios box
[19-Aug-2010 18:14:18] <arrrghhh> so i was thinking that we would like to generate an alert if a circuit takes a lot of errors... obviously a threshold is the key, but i only want to be alerted when we get a spike of errors on WAN ckts. I guess it wouldn't be horrible to do errors on non-WAN interfaces as well... can I just adjust the ethernetCsmacd monitoring template or is there a better method?
[19-Aug-2010 18:15:18] <arrrghhh> also, do i have to remodel after a change like that?
[19-Aug-2010 18:15:38] <mducharme> I would not think you would need to remodel
[19-Aug-2010 18:15:48] <mducharme> but
[19-Aug-2010 18:16:03] <mducharme> if you change the ethernetCsmacd template you will end up having that threshold everywhere
[19-Aug-2010 18:16:18] <arrrghhh> yea... that's what i was thinking. that any interface would flag on errors then.
[19-Aug-2010 18:16:21] <mducharme> do you really want to be notified when the printer in the next room has errors?
[19-Aug-2010 18:16:23] <arrrghhh> which, i'm not sure if it's a bad thing or not.
[19-Aug-2010 18:16:33] <arrrghhh> we don't monitor switch ports
[19-Aug-2010 18:16:42] <arrrghhh> at least not non-critical switch ports.
[19-Aug-2010 18:17:12] <mducharme> well here's what I would suggest doing...
[19-Aug-2010 18:17:14] <arrrghhh> and if the printer in the next room is showing a lot of errors, perhaps that's an indicator of an issue :D
[19-Aug-2010 18:17:22] <mducharme> add the threshold to the main template but leave it disabled
[19-Aug-2010 18:17:38] <mducharme> then go into the ports that you want to monitor, copy the template and enable the threshold
[19-Aug-2010 18:17:50] <arrrghhh> make a local copy of the template or whatever...?
[19-Aug-2010 18:17:51] <arrrghhh> hrm.
[19-Aug-2010 18:18:12] <arrrghhh> i could also do that do my /devices/routers/cisco device class as well.
[19-Aug-2010 18:18:15] <mducharme> that way if you ever make changes to the main template you won't have to go through as much work to update the other ones
[19-Aug-2010 18:18:21] <mducharme> yes, that's another option
[19-Aug-2010 18:18:21] <arrrghhh> yea
[19-Aug-2010 18:18:24] <arrrghhh> cool.
[19-Aug-2010 18:18:34] <arrrghhh> hrm.
[19-Aug-2010 18:18:46] <arrrghhh> threshold of high error count not met: current value 0.00
[19-Aug-2010 18:18:50] <arrrghhh> i think i did something wrong haha
[19-Aug-2010 18:18:52] <mducharme> we are an ISP.. our ports are "customers"
[19-Aug-2010 18:18:58] <arrrghhh> ah
[19-Aug-2010 18:19:00] <mducharme> but a lot of our customers are home users
[19-Aug-2010 18:19:02] <arrrghhh> yea, we're a bank...
[19-Aug-2010 18:19:05] <mducharme> I do not care if my home users go down
[19-Aug-2010 18:19:10] <mducharme> they will call
[19-Aug-2010 18:19:11] <arrrghhh> hahaha ouch!
[19-Aug-2010 18:19:21] <mducharme> at first I had monitoring on
[19-Aug-2010 18:19:23] <mducharme> for everybody
[19-Aug-2010 18:19:34] <mducharme> but it was like "customer robert smith is down" "customer robert smith is up"
[19-Aug-2010 18:19:36] <mducharme> etc
[19-Aug-2010 18:19:40] <mducharme> it was sorta nuts
[19-Aug-2010 18:19:50] <arrrghhh> yea, and it would probably show issues on the far end as well.
[19-Aug-2010 18:20:10] <mducharme> so I simply changed the default to off and went into our enterprise customers' ports and turned the threshold on that
[19-Aug-2010 18:20:24] <mducharme> that way we just get notified if the enterprise customers go up or down because they have SLAs with us
[19-Aug-2010 18:20:25] <arrrghhh> what ISP do you work for if you don't mind me asking?
[19-Aug-2010 18:20:31] <mducharme> if the home user really cares they will phone us
[19-Aug-2010 18:20:38] <mducharme> broadband communications north
[19-Aug-2010 18:20:41] <arrrghhh> haha fair enough.
[19-Aug-2010 18:20:55] <arrrghhh> ah ok. i used to work for a small ISP here called MHO - Mile High Online
[19-Aug-2010 18:21:11] <mducharme> same deal.. we're a small ISP even though we have lots of locations
[19-Aug-2010 18:21:17] <ericenns> haha mducharme same city as me lol
[19-Aug-2010 18:21:27] <mducharme> ericenns heh that's funny
[19-Aug-2010 18:21:33] <ericenns> wanna get me on as a co-op student lol
[19-Aug-2010 18:21:37] <mducharme> ericenns you looking for a job? our network manager just quit
[19-Aug-2010 18:21:50] <mducharme> we are really in bad straits right now, we need more employees
[19-Aug-2010 18:22:04] <mducharme> esp. with network operations experience, and hopefully with service desk experience too
[19-Aug-2010 18:22:08] <ericenns> im a co-op student that has another 4 months at the National Microbiology Lab
[19-Aug-2010 18:22:36] <mducharme> ok well
[19-Aug-2010 18:22:41] <mducharme> after you're done there, let me know
[19-Aug-2010 18:22:44] <ericenns> but after that I am going to school but could work part-time I am a comp sci student at U of M
[19-Aug-2010 18:23:11] <mducharme> I am a student at U of M as well
[19-Aug-2010 18:23:12] <arrrghhh> should i trigger on ifInErrors and ifOutErrors...? I'd assume so... I tried putting both in, and when I selected ifOutErrors, it had a red (missing) next to it...
[19-Aug-2010 18:23:14] <ericenns> i got 1 year of school left after the next 4 months so ya
[19-Aug-2010 18:23:25] <mducharme> ahh
[19-Aug-2010 18:23:52] <ericenns> but im in co-op so 4 months school then 4 months work then school again
[19-Aug-2010 18:24:00] <mducharme> arrghh you need OIDs specified for the data points
[19-Aug-2010 18:24:03] <ericenns> if thats not a probelm
[19-Aug-2010 18:24:15] <mducharme> and you need the data points defined
[19-Aug-2010 18:24:20] <arrrghhh> mducharme, i was just going off of the ethernetCsmad template or whatever.
[19-Aug-2010 18:24:46] <mducharme> yeah just be careful how you set up your triggers, or you'll get flooded with useless emails
[19-Aug-2010 18:24:55] <arrrghhh> I set a MinMaxThreshold off of the ethernetCsmacd
[19-Aug-2010 18:25:01] <arrrghhh> monitoring template.
[19-Aug-2010 18:25:14] <arrrghhh> yea, i don't have emails setup yet. currently it just emails when a t1's operational status changes.
[19-Aug-2010 18:25:21] <mducharme> I had this stupid set of devices where the programmer instead of actually reading the SNMP spec thought that the speed setting for interfaces was in kilobytes not bytes
[19-Aug-2010 18:25:31] <arrrghhh> it's just weird that InErrors was fine, but OutErrors it says is missing...
[19-Aug-2010 18:25:34] <mducharme> so all the interfaces showed up as 100Kbit/sec
[19-Aug-2010 18:25:56] <mducharme> we had so many "high utilization" threshold emails it wasn't even funny
[19-Aug-2010 18:26:01] <arrrghhh> lol i bet
[19-Aug-2010 18:26:21] <arrrghhh> hence the reason i haven't setup emails yet. i'm just testing zenoss, see how we can get it integrated into our environment.
[19-Aug-2010 18:26:39] <mducharme> I had to move to zenoss fast
[19-Aug-2010 18:26:51] <arrrghhh> seems the enterprise edition may cost too much tho... which is a shame, because we want support.
[19-Aug-2010 18:26:59] <arrrghhh> don't need all the extra stuff per se.
[19-Aug-2010 18:27:02] <mducharme> the previous network admin (who just quit today) had set up this complicated system
[19-Aug-2010 18:27:17] <mducharme> with nagios/cacti/syslog/smokeping plus his own custom developed php stuff
[19-Aug-2010 18:27:20] <arrrghhh> ha, ours wasn't so much complicated... as it was antiquated.
[19-Aug-2010 18:27:26] <arrrghhh> jeez.
[19-Aug-2010 18:27:29] <mducharme> half of it was broken
[19-Aug-2010 18:27:37] <arrrghhh> yea, we used/use this horrible tool called "NMIS".
[19-Aug-2010 18:27:42] <mducharme> we're like " can you start monitoring this?" "no" "why?" "cacti is broken"
[19-Aug-2010 18:28:00] <arrrghhh> i hate it with a passion, although it's actually built on the same a lot of the same stuff that zenoss is built on.
[19-Aug-2010 18:28:05] <mducharme> I knew he was unhappy
[19-Aug-2010 18:28:13] <arrrghhh> haha
[19-Aug-2010 18:28:20] <mducharme> and I didn't want to have to learn nagios/cacti and a dozen things he custom developed if he left
[19-Aug-2010 18:28:31] <arrrghhh> can't say i blame you
[19-Aug-2010 18:28:44] <mducharme> besides our other employees don't even want to touch nagios/cacti and his custom stuff.. it's so complicated he always got stuck dealing with all issues
[19-Aug-2010 18:29:01] <arrrghhh> well i guess for the time being i'll shift it to just look at InErrors and leave OutErrors out of it for the time being...
[19-Aug-2010 18:29:13] <arrrghhh> yea, that wouldn't fly around here.
[19-Aug-2010 18:29:32] <mducharme> well we are an ISP, so it is a ludicrious situation to be in
[19-Aug-2010 18:29:36] <arrrghhh> although in some ways it still does... if NMIS blows up, there's no body who takes ownership.
[19-Aug-2010 18:29:39] <mducharme> it's amazing how much more info we have now that we have zenoss
[19-Aug-2010 18:29:50] <mducharme> to troubleshoot a problem
[19-Aug-2010 18:29:52] <mducharme> and it's all in one place
[19-Aug-2010 18:29:59] <arrrghhh> yea, we've been spending a ton of money on tools lately.
[19-Aug-2010 18:30:05] <mducharme> before our guys had to go and log into nagios to see what was up or down
[19-Aug-2010 18:30:12] <arrrghhh> put in an inifistream netscout system to capture traffic in the data center.
[19-Aug-2010 18:30:14] <mducharme> then log into cacti to see what the graphs showed
[19-Aug-2010 18:30:19] <arrrghhh> lol
[19-Aug-2010 18:30:23] <mducharme> log into syslog to see if there were any messages from the device
[19-Aug-2010 18:30:42] <mducharme> etc
[19-Aug-2010 18:30:46] <arrrghhh> is there a place to see router/switch logs in zenoss?
[19-Aug-2010 18:30:57] <mducharme> yes
[19-Aug-2010 18:31:04] <mducharme> syslogs and snmp traps get integrated into the event history
[19-Aug-2010 18:31:21] <arrrghhh> do you have to set something up for it to pick up syslogs?
[19-Aug-2010 18:31:31] <mducharme> no
[19-Aug-2010 18:31:34] <mducharme> but I would heh
[19-Aug-2010 18:31:36] <arrrghhh> hrm
[19-Aug-2010 18:31:42] <mducharme> see, by default it will pick up syslogs if you just forward them to it
[19-Aug-2010 18:31:44] <mducharme> from the device
[19-Aug-2010 18:31:49] <mducharme> but the issue is then you have no control over it
[19-Aug-2010 18:31:55] <arrrghhh> i'm getting traps, but no logs.
[19-Aug-2010 18:31:57] <mducharme> all the syslogs regardless of what it is for gets turned into events
[19-Aug-2010 18:32:25] <mducharme> yeah you won't get syslogs unless you tell the device to log to a syslog server
[19-Aug-2010 18:32:36] <mducharme> you can give it the zenoss box ip address as a syslog server
[19-Aug-2010 18:32:37] <arrrghhh> oh... yea, i'm not doing that haha.
[19-Aug-2010 18:32:50] <mducharme> but that's not what I would do.. I would set up a small vm with syslog-ng
[19-Aug-2010 18:33:01] <mducharme> have your device send to it
[19-Aug-2010 18:33:13] <mducharme> have it forward syslogs to zenoss
[19-Aug-2010 18:33:14] <ericenns> i got a rsyslog server running and loganalyzer to via them via the web
[19-Aug-2010 18:33:18] <mducharme> that way you can control the syslogs
[19-Aug-2010 18:33:44] <mducharme> becase syslog-ng has filtering options
[19-Aug-2010 18:33:49] <ericenns> I gotta figure how to send someof the syslogs to zenoss problem is rsyslog and zenoss are on the same box
[19-Aug-2010 18:33:49] <arrrghhh> yea currently we just remote into the device and pull the log up on the console of the deivce.
[19-Aug-2010 18:34:37] <mducharme> ericenns change the port the zensyslog listener
[19-Aug-2010 18:34:51] <mducharme> you can send syslog messages to non standard ports
[19-Aug-2010 18:35:22] <mducharme> with syslog-ng you could proxy the syslog messages and send some to one server and some to another based on filter criteria.....
[19-Aug-2010 18:35:27] <ericenns> I have done that I just need to figure out how to keep track what device it came from initially but thats on the less important list at the moment
[19-Aug-2010 18:35:52] <mducharme> there is a checkbox in zenoss to read the hostname from the message header
[19-Aug-2010 18:36:10] <mducharme> each syslog message contains the hostname of the original host the message came from
[19-Aug-2010 18:36:28] <mducharme> by default zenoss assumes it's receiving the message from the original device
[19-Aug-2010 18:36:34] <ericenns> true i'll have to try it again then
[19-Aug-2010 18:36:48] <mducharme> and so it doesn't bother reading that
[19-Aug-2010 18:36:56] <mducharme> unless you enable it in the zensyslog daemon settings
[19-Aug-2010 18:37:08] <mducharme> just click the edit configuration button in zensyslog, you will see it in there
[19-Aug-2010 18:37:25] <ericenns> ok i think i seen it before in 2.5.2
[19-Aug-2010 18:39:44] <mducharme> oh and if the logs are not getting stored under the device, watch your event monitor
[19-Aug-2010 18:40:00] <ericenns> ok
[19-Aug-2010 18:40:05] <mducharme> the events will appear and disappear not long after if they are not associated with a device zenoss knows about
[19-Aug-2010 18:40:20] <mducharme> like if your device in zenoss uses the fqdn but the syslog message does not, it will not properly associate...
[19-Aug-2010 18:40:24] <mducharme> and then the event will be dropped
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[19-Aug-2010 18:40:48] <mducharme> we had that issue, I turned use_fqdn on with syslog-ng to compensate
[19-Aug-2010 18:40:56] <mducharme> because our devices in zenoss all use the fqdn
[19-Aug-2010 18:40:57] <ericenns> may have trouble with the windows boxs then but the linux ones will all be fine
[19-Aug-2010 18:42:13] <mducharme> I'm just waiting for zenoss 3.x to stabilize to see what is new
[19-Aug-2010 18:43:21] <ericenns> ok
[19-Aug-2010 18:43:25] <arrrghhh> are you guys both core users?
[19-Aug-2010 18:43:32] <ericenns> im a core user
[19-Aug-2010 18:45:10] <mducharme> yup
[19-Aug-2010 18:45:39] <arrrghhh> i like core. i know my company will want the support of enterprise tho. i had no idea it was going to be so expensive, i read the pricing page wrong a month ago lol.
[19-Aug-2010 18:46:01] <ericenns> thats a bummer
[19-Aug-2010 18:46:14] <arrrghhh> it is, especially since i put all this work into core.
[19-Aug-2010 18:46:15] <ericenns> my place will stay core
[19-Aug-2010 18:46:35] <arrrghhh> we may still go with zenoss, but i'm worried they priced themselves out of the market. i guess they're not like hp open view, but damn.
[19-Aug-2010 18:46:55] <ericenns> what is the pricing?
[19-Aug-2010 18:47:04] <arrrghhh> $100/device for basic support.
[19-Aug-2010 18:47:09] <arrrghhh> per year
[19-Aug-2010 18:47:22] <ericenns> ya that can definitely add up
[19-Aug-2010 18:47:28] <arrrghhh> now that's retail, depending on your environment and what stuff you have, an SE will work with you.
[19-Aug-2010 18:47:36] <arrrghhh> but still, that adds up quick.
[19-Aug-2010 18:47:51] <arrrghhh> we've probably got 500 or so devices that we monitor today, and if we put servers & the like in there, it almost doubles.
[19-Aug-2010 18:47:52] <mducharme> openview brings its own set up problems
[19-Aug-2010 18:48:02] <mducharme> you can't develop to openview really, you just configure the thing
[19-Aug-2010 18:48:10] <arrrghhh> yea, we're not considering open view. we are considering solarwinds tho...
[19-Aug-2010 18:48:15] <mducharme> heh
[19-Aug-2010 18:48:17] <mducharme> solarwinds
[19-Aug-2010 18:48:23] <mducharme> I looked at that the other day
[19-Aug-2010 18:48:25] <arrrghhh> yea, i'm not thrilled with the concept.
[19-Aug-2010 18:48:29] <mducharme> it looks like a tinkertoy
[19-Aug-2010 18:48:33] <arrrghhh> it does.
[19-Aug-2010 18:48:40] <mducharme> I mean it's a great thing to have ticketing and NMS integrated
[19-Aug-2010 18:48:45] <arrrghhh> but of course management likes that it's an all-in-one tool.
[19-Aug-2010 18:48:48] <mducharme> I think OTRS should go in that direction
[19-Aug-2010 18:48:56] <arrrghhh> and the things we can add on to it may be useful for us down the road... blah.
[19-Aug-2010 18:49:12] <mducharme> I'm having to look at complicated ways of tieing in OTRS in with zenoss
[19-Aug-2010 18:49:27] <mducharme> when all is said and done it might almost be easier for me to develop a ticketing module built into zenoss
[19-Aug-2010 18:49:27] <arrrghhh> we use remedy... don't get me started on that.
[19-Aug-2010 18:49:49] <mducharme> enterprise comes with a remedy zenpack, you realize
[19-Aug-2010 18:50:05] <mducharme> it might be less hassle for you to get the enterprise
[19-Aug-2010 18:50:07] <arrrghhh> yes but we're not looking to integrate with remedy. at least not now.
[19-Aug-2010 18:50:11] <ericenns> I have to provide no support to any end users which is nice
[19-Aug-2010 18:50:19] <mducharme> oh my god
[19-Aug-2010 18:50:27] <mducharme> one of my poor coworkers the other day
[19-Aug-2010 18:50:32] <mducharme> lady complained her internet wasn't working
[19-Aug-2010 18:50:38] <mducharme> he told her to reboot her computer
[19-Aug-2010 18:50:43] <mducharme> she didn't know where the start button was
[19-Aug-2010 18:50:51] <ericenns> oh my goodness lol
[19-Aug-2010 18:50:52] <mducharme> she didn't know where the restart option was
[19-Aug-2010 18:50:56] <mducharme> and she didn't know the mouse had two buttons
[19-Aug-2010 18:51:06] <mducharme> he almost lost it
[19-Aug-2010 18:51:10] <mducharme> the poor guy
[19-Aug-2010 18:51:11] <mducharme> lol
[19-Aug-2010 18:51:12] <arrrghhh> lol UNPLUG IT!
[19-Aug-2010 18:51:19] <ericenns> haha
[19-Aug-2010 18:51:43] <mducharme> well that's the biggest problem with software, is it's often assuming a certain amount of understanding on the part of the user
[19-Aug-2010 18:51:53] <mducharme> I work with users all the time who really do not know computers at all
[19-Aug-2010 18:51:59] <mducharme> and they do stupid things and do not know how to fix it
[19-Aug-2010 18:52:07] <arrrghhh> yep
[19-Aug-2010 18:52:08] <mducharme> like they drag their taskbar and it ends up taking half the screen
[19-Aug-2010 18:52:11] <arrrghhh> we have developers that do that.
[19-Aug-2010 18:52:16] <mducharme> and they don't know how they did it or put it back again
[19-Aug-2010 18:52:26] <arrrghhh> it always boggles my mind how they can code software but not understand how a computer works on a basic level.
[19-Aug-2010 18:52:30] <mducharme> but no, someone at microsoft thought it would be a great idea to make the taskbar easily expand in size
[19-Aug-2010 18:52:47] <ericenns> they should have just defaulted it to lock
[19-Aug-2010 18:52:49] <mducharme> it's almost like computers need two modes
[19-Aug-2010 18:52:56] <arrrghhh> OSX mode
[19-Aug-2010 18:52:58] <mducharme> a fisher-price mode
[19-Aug-2010 18:52:59] <arrrghhh> and linux mode?
[19-Aug-2010 18:53:00] <arrrghhh> lol
[19-Aug-2010 18:53:06] <mducharme> where everything is locked down
[19-Aug-2010 18:53:11] <mducharme> and you only have one way of doing each task
[19-Aug-2010 18:53:17] <mducharme> and everything is big clearly labelled buttons
[19-Aug-2010 18:53:24] <mducharme> "internet" "email" etc
[19-Aug-2010 18:53:29] <mducharme> and an advanced mode
[19-Aug-2010 18:53:36] <mducharme> for people who actually want to be able to resize their taskbar
[19-Aug-2010 18:53:36] <mducharme> heh
[19-Aug-2010 18:53:41] <arrrghhh> lol
[19-Aug-2010 18:53:46] <arrrghhh> yea, maybe windows 9.
[19-Aug-2010 18:53:55] <arrrghhh> ah well, i'm off guys. i'll cya all later.
[19-Aug-2010 18:53:58] <mducharme> it should ask people "how dumb are you?" on first login
[19-Aug-2010 18:54:29] <mducharme> (not worded precisely like that obviously)
[19-Aug-2010 19:02:06] <ericenns> mducharme: what you taking at U of M
[19-Aug-2010 19:05:36] * ericenns heading out now 12 hours is good enough
[19-Aug-2010 19:13:24] <mducharme> ericenns - music degree
[19-Aug-2010 19:13:27] <mducharme> I used to be a comp sci major
[19-Aug-2010 19:13:33] <mducharme> now I'm getting a music degree
[19-Aug-2010 19:19:03] <bzed> mducharme: that might be a good combination, there is a lot of stuff do to in computer musics
[19-Aug-2010 19:25:59] <sytem> is there some way to create page showing graphs from multiple sources?
[19-Aug-2010 19:27:23] <sytem> I would like to have page with graph from collector status, host running zenoss and host running our alarm-gw
[19-Aug-2010 19:30:50] <sytem> using image urls on external html-page wont work i think
[19-Aug-2010 19:30:55] <mducharme> sytem yes there is
[19-Aug-2010 19:30:57] <mducharme> with reports
[19-Aug-2010 19:31:08] <mducharme> go onto the zenpack site
[19-Aug-2010 19:31:17] <mducharme> I forget what the zenpack is called
[19-Aug-2010 19:31:21] <mducharme> Example Zenpack
[19-Aug-2010 19:31:24] <mducharme> or something like that
[19-Aug-2010 19:31:34] <mducharme> it has an example of that in it
[19-Aug-2010 19:31:47] <QubeZ> hello alll
[19-Aug-2010 19:31:57] <mducharme> docs/DOC-4671
[19-Aug-2010 19:31:59] <mducharme> that's it
[19-Aug-2010 19:32:17] <QubeZ> are there zenpacks to monitor a specific website and expect a string to make sure it's up otherwise alert? Or can this be done another way?
[19-Aug-2010 19:32:38] <sytem> ill see, thanks
[19-Aug-2010 19:32:50] <mducharme> qubez: docs/DOC-3431
[19-Aug-2010 19:34:07] <sytem> QubeZ: there is some example in zencommand documentation about that kind of monitoring, red about it yesterday when looking for zencommands
[19-Aug-2010 19:34:50] <sytem> docs/DOC-3072
[19-Aug-2010 19:34:55] <mducharme> sytem - I just gave him a URL of a monitoring solution that I think takes care of that
[19-Aug-2010 19:36:14] <mducharme> (I'm not positive whether it does or not mind you, because I do not have mission critical websites)
[19-Aug-2010 19:48:42] <sytem> hmmm, that zenpack seem not to macth my usecase if i understand right what it is about
[19-Aug-2010 19:49:39] <sytem> I would like to have page showing Load average graph from device A, network utilization from device B and Collected events from zenoss collector performance page
[19-Aug-2010 19:50:31] <mducharme> sytem yes of course it is not exactly the same but reports is the way you put different data from different graphs together in one place
[19-Aug-2010 19:50:37] <mducharme> that is just one example of how to do it
[19-Aug-2010 19:54:11] <mducharme> there is another way you could put them, just on one page
[19-Aug-2010 19:55:10] <mducharme> docs/DOC-3421
[19-Aug-2010 19:55:15] <mducharme> that's the show graph portlet
[19-Aug-2010 19:55:26] <mducharme> it puts multiple graphs together on your dashboard
[19-Aug-2010 19:57:44] <sytem> that sounds great
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[19-Aug-2010 20:34:57] <sytem> hmmm, it seems that i need to learn more about reports some day
[19-Aug-2010 20:36:02] <sytem> but to this case it might be easier to code little script that gets those report-images and shows them in one external webpage
[19-Aug-2010 21:55:11] <sytem> image-urls works (as long im logged in to zenoss), so only i need is few lines of html
[19-Aug-2010 22:58:57] <rocket> Hello mrhinkle :)
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[21-Aug-2010 03:38:16] <m3hm3t> morning
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[21-Aug-2010 14:21:08] <mducharme> heh
[21-Aug-2010 14:21:15] <mducharme> I just had to type up a long email to the consultant
[21-Aug-2010 14:21:37] <mducharme> he wanted us to reinstall nagios because he could not monitor the network with zenoss because "it doesn't show the list of devices at a site on the map on mouseover"
[21-Aug-2010 14:23:09] <mducharme> <bangs head against wall>
[21-Aug-2010 14:23:10] <mducharme> heh
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[21-Aug-2010 17:28:00] <sytem> i try to create an event mapping from event console, result is "1 event does not have an event class key. Created 0 event mappings."
[21-Aug-2010 17:28:44] <sytem> where should i put regexp to mach these events (and drop them)?
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[21-Aug-2010 19:40:13] <RobertLaptop> In 3.0.1 were do you edit the default ztemplates?
[21-Aug-2010 19:41:02] <RobertLaptop> I guess I could do something novile and read the doc's
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[22-Aug-2010 15:18:55] <Parabola> the docs i found on the website for remote collectors is from a year ago. is there any updated documentation for 3.0 ?
[22-Aug-2010 16:18:59] <mducharme> parabola probably not.. 3.0 is just about brand new
[22-Aug-2010 16:19:20] <mducharme> parabola I would suggest not yet moving to 3.x in a production environment
[22-Aug-2010 16:19:35] <mducharme> 2.5.2 is quite stable and reliable with few bugs.....
[22-Aug-2010 16:19:53] <mducharme> 3.x still has some problems that are showstoppers for us
[22-Aug-2010 16:51:16] <Parabola> yeah too late for that now :P
[22-Aug-2010 16:55:43] <mducharme> we are not using remote collectors in my environment, we only use the one in the main zenoss box, so I cannot help you
[22-Aug-2010 16:58:23] <Parabola> its all good
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[22-Aug-2010 18:35:23] <ad4m> Hey, I'm trying to monitor a handful of URLs by creating dummy devices for the server name in each URL and using HttpMonitor. All of the server names in the URLs resolve to the same IP address, and that IP address is already associated with a monitored device, so when I go to create these dummy devices, I can't because IP address is already associated with a device.
[22-Aug-2010 18:40:56] <ad4m> Does that make sense and does anyone know of a way to get around this for what I'm trying to do?
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[23-Aug-2010 09:01:20] <Jiggie> good morning
[23-Aug-2010 09:24:24] <jvan> morning
[23-Aug-2010 09:24:32] <jvan> still need help ::(
[23-Aug-2010 09:25:05] <Simon4> jvan: what's up?
[23-Aug-2010 09:25:56] <jvan> [12:02] <jvan> Does anybody have issues with 3.0.1 and email alerts only sending the ip address without the actual device name?12:16] <mducharme-laptop> changing the device name doesn't actually change the "name" [12:16] <mducharme-laptop> it's not possible to change the name, it is fixed forever [12:16] <mducharme-laptop> when you add the device using the ip, the "name" is permanently set to the IP [12:17] <jvan> why can i do this in 2
[23-Aug-2010 09:26:10] <jvan> that's what i asked friday but he couldn't help me
[23-Aug-2010 09:26:13] <jvan> any idea?
[23-Aug-2010 09:32:49] <chachan> Jiggie, morning
[23-Aug-2010 09:32:58] <Jiggie> how are you guys
[23-Aug-2010 09:33:19] <chachan> Jiggie, fine
[23-Aug-2010 09:34:35] <chachan> jvan, when you mean IP adress, you mean the ip which appears in the URL?
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[23-Aug-2010 10:07:51] <jvan> chachan, yes and with email alerts
[23-Aug-2010 10:26:04] <chachan> jvan, wait a moment please
[23-Aug-2010 10:26:14] <chachan> jvan, I'm looking something about it
[23-Aug-2010 10:26:24] <jvan> ok thanks
[23-Aug-2010 10:26:29] <chachan> you're call is important for us
[23-Aug-2010 10:26:30] <chachan> :p
[23-Aug-2010 10:26:32] <chachan> hehe
[23-Aug-2010 10:26:38] <chachan> your*
[23-Aug-2010 10:27:02] <jvan> i've done this with 3.0 and 3.02 and adding single device then renaming and adding multiple device and renaming. all resolves to dns or ip address :(
[23-Aug-2010 10:27:10] <jvan> your help is important for me :(
[23-Aug-2010 10:27:20] <jvan> :)
[23-Aug-2010 10:31:07] <chachan> jvan, are you having this issue with all devices?
[23-Aug-2010 10:31:26] <jvan> yes
[23-Aug-2010 10:31:32] <jvan> for some reason...one worked but thats it
[23-Aug-2010 10:31:49] <jvan> [ok] CLEAR: 173.11.163.81 ip 173.11.163.81 is up
[23-Aug-2010 10:32:02] <jvan> i get this instead of the device name
[23-Aug-2010 10:33:07] <jvan> can you email me at jkvan87@gmail.com
[23-Aug-2010 10:33:14] <jvan> have to restart the pc
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[23-Aug-2010 11:10:09] <jvan> hello
[23-Aug-2010 11:10:11] <jvan> chan?
[23-Aug-2010 11:24:43] <chachan> jvan, hi, wait, my zenoss is down O.o
[23-Aug-2010 11:24:58] <chachan> has anyone seen this: "zen.zencommand: Queue exceeded maximum length: 5001/5000. Trimming"
[23-Aug-2010 11:30:14] <jvan> nope
[23-Aug-2010 11:31:07] <Simon4> chachan: I believe it's when zencommand is trying to send events faster than teh zenhub can keep up
[23-Aug-2010 11:31:18] <Simon4> is zenhub running?
[23-Aug-2010 11:32:06] <chachan> Simon4, zenhub and others daemons are frecuently going down, I don't know why
[23-Aug-2010 11:33:45] <chachan> I got this too: WARNING zen.ZenTrap: Queue exceeded maximum length: 5001/5000. Trimming
[23-Aug-2010 11:34:00] <chachan> and this: WARNING zen.ZenSyslog: Queue exceeded maximum length: 5001/5000. Trimming
[23-Aug-2010 11:49:49] <gabrielcz> Hi all there...
[23-Aug-2010 11:50:34] <forsberg> Hi o/
[23-Aug-2010 11:50:53] <gabrielcz> question, not exactly about zenoss, but is about monitoring a proccess on localhost on a linux machine... Are there any service to monitoring if a service is running, and if not, stats again?
[23-Aug-2010 11:51:27] <Simon4> gabrielcz: http://mmonit.com/monit/ will do such things I believe
[23-Aug-2010 11:51:45] <gabrielcz> Mm let me see ! :)
[23-Aug-2010 11:51:53] <gabrielcz> I will read a LOT about ! :P
[23-Aug-2010 11:52:20] <gabrielcz> Simon4: I think YES, that wat Im looking for!?
[23-Aug-2010 12:00:06] <jvan> (devices)s is giving out ip info instead of the name. I have a 2.5 version with the exact same alerts and works great. Anything i should check?
[23-Aug-2010 12:00:06] <forsberg> or make a script for it, and run it in cron
[23-Aug-2010 12:01:26] <forsberg> jvan in 3.0 ?
[23-Aug-2010 12:02:41] <forsberg> ahh sorry says so further up, there was someone in here the other day mentioning that you have to delete the device and add it again with dns name
[23-Aug-2010 12:04:49] <jvan> yep
[23-Aug-2010 12:04:53] <jvan> 3.01 and 3.02
[23-Aug-2010 12:05:12] <jvan> i should not have to use the dns resolved name
[23-Aug-2010 12:05:29] <Simon4> jvan: you could modify the alert email template to use here/hostname vs here/id
[23-Aug-2010 12:05:32] <Simon4> (random thought)
[23-Aug-2010 12:06:05] <jvan> whats the variable for hostname?
[23-Aug-2010 12:06:19] <jvan> i used all the variable and it doesn't show.
[23-Aug-2010 12:06:55] <Simon4> ${here/hostname} should do it
[23-Aug-2010 12:07:37] <jvan> just like that?
[23-Aug-2010 12:08:05] <jvan> i don't see that option on the alerts page?
[23-Aug-2010 12:08:15] <jvan> just %(devices)s
[23-Aug-2010 12:08:21] <Simon4> 2 secs
[23-Aug-2010 12:08:45] <Simon4> hmm, fail sorry
[23-Aug-2010 12:08:52] * Simon4 is used to being able to access hostname
[23-Aug-2010 12:09:12] <Simon4> unless it'll let you use %(device.hostname)s but I doubt it
[23-Aug-2010 12:09:36] <jvan> nope
[23-Aug-2010 12:10:10] <Simon4> there may have been a bug raised about this, we need a mray to tell us
[23-Aug-2010 12:10:19] <forsberg> im quite sure i saw that the other day
[23-Aug-2010 12:10:24] <forsberg> that there is a bug on it
[23-Aug-2010 12:10:39] <Simon4> forsberg: yeah, something rings a bell for me also
[23-Aug-2010 12:11:28] <forsberg> somewhere it god "hardcoded" to the "name" you add it with first time, that is the IP
[23-Aug-2010 12:11:31] <forsberg> got
[23-Aug-2010 12:11:33] <forsberg> blah
[23-Aug-2010 12:14:48] <jvan> however, i did multiple ip at once..so it can't hardcode to the device name
[23-Aug-2010 12:15:52] <forsberg> no it was lame attempt to simplify on my behalf, but im pretty sure that there was a bug on it, so that if you add a device, and later rename it, it will put the original in the alert
[23-Aug-2010 12:16:39] <cgibbons> the bug is the alert is using the device's id, not the device's title
[23-Aug-2010 12:16:46] <forsberg> yeah thats it
[23-Aug-2010 12:16:57] <forsberg> and the ID is what you first add it with
[23-Aug-2010 12:17:02] <forsberg> ?
[23-Aug-2010 12:17:25] <forsberg> or ID is always ip
[23-Aug-2010 12:17:37] <ericenns> my snmp gettablemap isn't returning anything but if I do a snmpwalk I get data
[23-Aug-2010 12:17:48] <cgibbons> yeah - although i'm wondering if there's another bug/change in 3.0 that's tripping people up. the alert stuff hasn't changed and always did it that way (but it hsould use title)... i wonder if the discovery process isn't doing the reverse dns lookup to set the ID anymore, of if there's some other edge case here that people are hitting
[23-Aug-2010 12:17:58] <cgibbons> I haven't noticed any difference here from what I'm used to, but that doesn't mean anything
[23-Aug-2010 12:18:34] <forsberg> i dont even have 3.0 yet so cant tell either ;> just remembered
[23-Aug-2010 12:18:37] <forsberg> ill shush now :)
[23-Aug-2010 12:19:35] <ericenns> ie i run zenmodeler from commandline and the gettablemap is empty any ideas I have 2 gettablemaps in my plugin
[23-Aug-2010 12:44:08] <gabrielcz> Hi again...
[23-Aug-2010 12:44:13] <gabrielcz> anyone uses monit?
[23-Aug-2010 12:44:26] <gabrielcz> I like to setup a new monitoring to a process... any clue?
[23-Aug-2010 12:44:29] <gabrielcz> any help?
[23-Aug-2010 12:45:44] <aclark> gabrielcz: i would check the monit docs or #monit  …
[23-Aug-2010 12:46:10] <gabrielcz> thanks aclark
[23-Aug-2010 12:46:23] <gabrielcz> theres no monit channel here. :(
[23-Aug-2010 12:46:28] <gabrielcz> Im alone! :)
[23-Aug-2010 12:47:36] <jvan> im hre
[23-Aug-2010 12:51:45] <Orv> Anyone else having trouble creating local copies of Templates? Doesn't work on my 3.0.1 :-/
[23-Aug-2010 12:58:21] <mducharme-laptop> afternoon
[23-Aug-2010 13:07:22] <jvan> yeah - although i'm wondering if there's another bug/change in 3.0 that's tripping people up. the alert stuff hasn't changed and always did it that way (but it hsould use title)... i wonder if the discovery process isn't doing the reverse dns lookup to set the ID anymore, of if there's some other edge case here that people are hitting
[23-Aug-2010 13:07:28] <jvan> another? whats up with 3.0?
[23-Aug-2010 13:07:34] <jvan> how is this not happening to everyone?
[23-Aug-2010 13:08:05] <jvan> i'm pretty close to dropping 3.0.1 and staying with 2.5 if this is the case.. wtf
[23-Aug-2010 13:08:15] <jvan> i sent a ticket though so hopefully that goes through :)
[23-Aug-2010 13:08:19] <jvan> looks like a odd bug
[23-Aug-2010 13:08:48] <cgibbons> is this happening to you on a system that was 2.5 and you upgraded? or a 3.0 fresh install you're testing with?
[23-Aug-2010 13:09:59] <jvan> fresh install
[23-Aug-2010 13:10:03] <jvan> different pc
[23-Aug-2010 13:10:19] <cgibbons> ok and when you're adding devices you're doing it how?
[23-Aug-2010 13:10:26] <jvan> i tried 3.01 and 3.02 and also adding it in every different way
[23-Aug-2010 13:10:32] <jvan> by multiple ip
[23-Aug-2010 13:10:42] <jvan> just add one. then go to the device and rename the title
[23-Aug-2010 13:10:49] <jvan> i also use the 'rename device' tab too
[23-Aug-2010 13:10:50] <jvan> but no dice
[23-Aug-2010 13:11:50] <cgibbons> hang on, info overload. I know the alerting stuff always just uses the device id for now (problem but unchanged), so let's focus on the device adding/renaming.
[23-Aug-2010 13:14:26] <jvan> i have 500 objects in right now. I have been putting it in through multiple ip then renaming each by clicking action and rename device. it doesn't change the 'device title' though. either way, none shows up on the alert
[23-Aug-2010 13:32:24] <jvan> any worddd?
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[23-Aug-2010 13:46:38] <jvan> What is the proper way to add a device without using dns? I keep having people telling me it's permantally attached to the dns or when you first add the device. In 2.5 you were able to change the name at any time.
[23-Aug-2010 14:09:16] <cgibbons> and that hasn't changed in 3.0. you can change the device id or title freely. i don't know what you're doing that's different (and tickling a bug - not saying you aren't seeing somethign real).
[23-Aug-2010 14:09:32] <cgibbons> but i can right now in 3.0 change a device id and have the right thing happens; or i can change the title and the right thing happens... which is the same as in 2.5
[23-Aug-2010 14:09:59] <cgibbons> i think the add might be doing different things in 3.0 than in 2.5, which is likely since in 2.5 the add didn't go through the 'jobs' mechanism
[23-Aug-2010 14:10:57] <cgibbons> when you rename via the action menu, you should see the id in the browser URL change - that's a definite sign the id got changed
[23-Aug-2010 14:19:07] <jvan> apparently there are several users that are tickling a bug... i am using ubuntu and installed using apt-get
[23-Aug-2010 14:19:18] <jvan> weird
[23-Aug-2010 14:19:47] <jvan> hmm it's weird cause i have 5 zenoss boxes that i've been using for years
[23-Aug-2010 14:19:55] <jvan> just happens in 3.0.. might try it on a different box
[23-Aug-2010 14:20:10] <jvan> also, when i added the device in multiple, i would do 50 ips at a time
[23-Aug-2010 14:21:19] <cgibbons> is http://dev.zenoss.com/trac/ticket/7249 the one you opened?
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[23-Aug-2010 14:56:44] <un33k> I have a question about making a copy of a template in 3.0.1. If I wanted to make an addition to the ethernetCsmacd template and only bind that to one class, how would you go about making a copy of that interface template so that you wouldn't have to re-create all of the datapoints, thresholds and graphs that exist in the original?
[23-Aug-2010 15:08:12] <mray> un33k: go to Advanced->Monitoring Templates
[23-Aug-2010 15:08:33] <mray> find the one you want to copy, select it and from the gear select "Override Template"
[23-Aug-2010 15:08:41] <mray> and pick which class you want to copy it to
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[23-Aug-2010 16:04:52] <gabrielcz> Anyone can help me with a monit setup of a python script? (I know this is zenoss channel, but is similar topic :D jejej)
[23-Aug-2010 17:01:21] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[23-Aug-2010 17:01:30] <mducharme-laptop> anybody in here using apache to reverse proxy zenoss?
[23-Aug-2010 17:02:57] <mrayzenoss> there was a recent thread in the forums about it
[23-Aug-2010 17:07:34] <mducharme-laptop> mray I did some searches and didn't find much useful
[23-Aug-2010 17:08:26] <mrayzenoss> message/34044#34044
[23-Aug-2010 17:09:55] <mducharme-laptop> yeah that isn't that useful heh
[23-Aug-2010 17:11:44] <mrayzenoss> docs/DOC-2516
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[23-Aug-2010 17:20:50] <mducharme-laptop> mray I just decided to uninstall apache and install lighttpd
[23-Aug-2010 17:21:17] <cgibbons> apache causes floods in asia
[23-Aug-2010 17:21:29] <mrayzenoss> mducharme-laptop: pretty sure there's even less documentation for that :)
[23-Aug-2010 17:22:23] <mducharme-laptop> mray - it's so stupidly simple though and works well
[23-Aug-2010 17:22:34] <mrayzenoss> well, feel free to share it on the wiki please
[23-Aug-2010 17:24:55] <mducharme-laptop> sure, I will
[23-Aug-2010 17:25:01] <mrayzenoss> thanks
[23-Aug-2010 17:25:57] <mducharme-laptop> what's the command line for zenbackup that lets you include installed zenpacks in the backup?
[23-Aug-2010 17:26:39] <mducharme-laptop> or is there one
[23-Aug-2010 20:03:51] <mducharme> hrm
[23-Aug-2010 20:04:16] <mducharme> question about this thing, upgrading from source install to stack install
[23-Aug-2010 20:04:18] <mducharme> docs/DOC-5306
[23-Aug-2010 20:04:46] <mducharme> I do not really feel comfortable changing the mysql port in advance.. is there a way to change it on the target server afterwards?
[23-Aug-2010 20:04:59] <mducharme> I want to be able to go back to the old server if the upgrade fails
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[24-Aug-2010 06:47:21] <classical> hello ppl i have just installed zenoss on my vps (there is only 512 mb of ram)
[24-Aug-2010 06:47:43] <classical> and im not able to run zenoss for low memory
[24-Aug-2010 06:47:57] <classical> is there any solution out there ?
[24-Aug-2010 06:49:00] <classical> http://pastebin.com/8xx0ZzNP
[24-Aug-2010 06:59:10] <fragfutter> buy more memory.
[24-Aug-2010 07:06:31] <classical> fragfutter, oh thank
[24-Aug-2010 07:07:10] <classical> can i set some restriction or disable some modules or something to run zenoss under 512 mb of ram ?
[24-Aug-2010 07:07:40] <fragfutter> no
[24-Aug-2010 07:08:41] <classical> okay then why does zenoss need so many ram ? there is the other monitoring systems that runs happy under 512 of ram
[24-Aug-2010 07:11:15] <fragfutter> it's designed and build to monitor bigger networks. Such designs don't scale down below a minimum. Same way for other designs that target small systems, they don't scale up.
[24-Aug-2010 07:13:23] <classical> Its a resource whore
[24-Aug-2010 07:13:23] <classical> :-D
[24-Aug-2010 07:13:51] <fragfutter> run anything like hpsim opennms jboss
[24-Aug-2010 07:14:56] <fragfutter> it's running on a fully featured application server (zope) that's what you pay for getting a nice software stack as base for an application.
[24-Aug-2010 07:16:51] <classical> Okay thx :-)))
[24-Aug-2010 07:45:11] <sytem> i need a list where is every device and count of its events, is there something ready or should i use mysql directly?
[24-Aug-2010 07:45:46] <sytem> Device list is near what i need, but i cant sort it by eventcount
[24-Aug-2010 07:57:04] <sytem> mysql> select device, count(1) as rows, sum(count) as events from status group by device order by rows desc limit 20;
[24-Aug-2010 07:58:02] <rmatte> yes you should use MySQL
[24-Aug-2010 07:58:35] <sytem> yep, that was working idea
[24-Aug-2010 07:59:29] <rmatte> actually, the old device list used to show that...
[24-Aug-2010 07:59:32] <rmatte> hmmmm
[24-Aug-2010 08:00:57] <rmatte> oh, the new one does too, it just doesn't look like it's sortable by it.
[24-Aug-2010 08:01:16] <rmatte> it's the only field that you can't sort by lol
[24-Aug-2010 08:04:27] <Zoup> imagine i have a webserver behind some switch, both are monitored, i don't want zenoss to consider this webserver outage as well as switch
[24-Aug-2010 08:05:14] <rmatte> Zoup: You're talking about device dependencies...
[24-Aug-2010 08:05:36] <Zoup> rmatte: a, so, its possible
[24-Aug-2010 08:05:54] <rmatte> the only dependencies supported in Zenoss right now are layer 3, and it needs an absolutely perfect topology layout (meaning it has to know about every device in between the devices being monitored) for that to even partially work
[24-Aug-2010 08:06:16] <rmatte> you can hack something together using transforms, but that wouldn't be overly effective
[24-Aug-2010 08:06:28] <rmatte> I just put up with it personally
[24-Aug-2010 08:06:59] <Zoup> thanks for help :)
[24-Aug-2010 08:07:06] <rmatte> I'm hoping they'll eventually implement proper layer 2 dependencies and manual dependencies
[24-Aug-2010 08:07:13] <rmatte> but that is probably a year or more away
[24-Aug-2010 08:07:34] <fragfutter> layer 2 dependency and layer 2 maps would be awesome
[24-Aug-2010 08:07:40] <rmatte> yeh
[24-Aug-2010 08:08:09] <rmatte> that fancy flash map is kind of useless (looks pretty but not very functional)
[24-Aug-2010 08:08:45] <rmatte> it would be nice to have 1 big overview that can be drilled down in to
[24-Aug-2010 08:10:43] <fragfutter> rmatte: did you see the request to run zenoss on 512MB?
[24-Aug-2010 08:10:59] <rmatte> nope, but that will never happen lol
[24-Aug-2010 08:11:25] <rmatte> they recommend 4GB of RAM as the minimum for 3.0
[24-Aug-2010 08:11:35] <fragfutter> about one hour ago.
[24-Aug-2010 08:11:53] * rmatte reads back
[24-Aug-2010 08:12:40] <rmatte> lol
[24-Aug-2010 08:12:42] <rmatte> nice
[24-Aug-2010 08:15:27] <forsberg> :P
[24-Aug-2010 08:15:28] <rmatte> I'm still on vacation for today, back in the office tomorrow, just figured I'd drop in for a bit
[24-Aug-2010 08:15:33] <rmatte> :)
[24-Aug-2010 08:15:45] <fragfutter> talk about addiction
[24-Aug-2010 08:17:02] <fragfutter> had some nice holidays?
[24-Aug-2010 08:31:43] <forsberg> puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuha im taking the one way ticket to death here.....some lay offs and vacation makes me in a position where i have to "support" internal IT on our windows servers
[24-Aug-2010 08:31:47] <forsberg> AD and terminal server stuff
[24-Aug-2010 08:32:26] <forsberg> please someone say they feel with me
[24-Aug-2010 08:32:38] * fragfutter hands forsberg some painkillers and tranquillizers
[24-Aug-2010 08:32:46] <forsberg> thanks!
[24-Aug-2010 08:33:50] <forsberg> not beeing able to tell excactly why some sales persons account got locked out made me stare blank into the wall for 30 minutes (prolly his icock phone or whatever)
[24-Aug-2010 08:34:17] <fragfutter> grep the logfile ;)
[24-Aug-2010 08:34:38] <rmatte> fragfutter: yeh, wasn't too bad
[24-Aug-2010 08:34:45] <forsberg> haha no i can regserv some acctinfo.dll and buy some 3rd party software etc etc and maybe find the relevant info
[24-Aug-2010 08:38:09] <rmatte> well, I'm out, be back tomorrow (though I can't imagine I'll be very active in here since I'll have a bazillion things to catch up on.
[24-Aug-2010 08:55:22] <Simon4> fOrsberg: condolances!
[24-Aug-2010 08:56:49] <chachan> hi friends, can anybody help me with this: http://fpaste.org/1Cjr ?
[24-Aug-2010 08:57:33] <chachan> I'm wondering what log file I could check
[24-Aug-2010 08:59:04] <chachan> rmatte, Hi dude, how was your vacations?
[24-Aug-2010 09:05:43] <Velzi> vaiks mitä tekis :D
[24-Aug-2010 09:05:47] <Velzi> hups
[24-Aug-2010 09:08:02] <fragfutter> Velzi: i think the correct response is "et vain osaa"
[24-Aug-2010 09:08:20] <Velzi> yeah!
[24-Aug-2010 09:08:36] <sytem> :)
[24-Aug-2010 09:09:38] <fragfutter> and i still need a good translation for that one.
[24-Aug-2010 09:13:12] <sytem> i think there is no good one
[24-Aug-2010 09:14:20] <fragfutter> you just don't bring it, something like this, right?
[24-Aug-2010 09:14:48] <sytem> "you just down know", "you just cant do it"
[24-Aug-2010 09:23:28] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[24-Aug-2010 09:57:26] <Simon4> testing
[24-Aug-2010 10:29:49] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[24-Aug-2010 11:00:17] <chachan> has anyone checked web response with HTTPMonitor in 3.0 ?
[24-Aug-2010 11:18:52] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[24-Aug-2010 11:26:40] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[24-Aug-2010 11:29:37] <mducharme-laptop> zenrestore doesn't seem to restore my events
[24-Aug-2010 11:30:10] <mducharme-laptop> why would zenrestore not restore the events db when it was backed up?
[24-Aug-2010 11:34:03] <sytem> have you made backup with mysql-option?
[24-Aug-2010 11:34:51] <mducharme-laptop> yes
[24-Aug-2010 11:35:01] <mducharme-laptop> the backup includes the events db
[24-Aug-2010 11:35:04] <mducharme-laptop> but it didn't restore the events db
[24-Aug-2010 11:36:27] <sytem> correct mysql-settings when restoring?
[24-Aug-2010 11:37:10] <mducharme-laptop> I used the option --save-mysql-access when backing up
[24-Aug-2010 11:37:23] <mducharme-laptop> I figured that would take care of it by default?
[24-Aug-2010 11:39:19] <sytem> and you have mysql user created in the system you are restoring?
[24-Aug-2010 11:39:52] <sytem> i havent use zenbackup to mysql-data, so this is just guessing
[24-Aug-2010 11:40:27] <mducharme-laptop> I don't know?
[24-Aug-2010 11:40:42] <mducharme-laptop> I am using the instructions to move from a source install to a stack install
[24-Aug-2010 11:41:05] <mducharme-laptop> I thought the documented instructions would just work
[24-Aug-2010 11:41:06] <mducharme-laptop> heh
[24-Aug-2010 11:41:42] <mducharme-laptop> I did a verbose zenrestore and did not see any errors
[24-Aug-2010 11:49:40] <bhansen> ok tearing out my hair, or whats left of it
[24-Aug-2010 11:50:15] <bhansen> when trying to create a multigraph report, I get the report created I add my collections click on new graphDef and get this http://pastebin.com/x5VL14Et
[24-Aug-2010 11:50:52] <bhansen> well get the site encountered a problem then the request info is the pastebin link
[24-Aug-2010 12:01:01] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[24-Aug-2010 12:11:25] <gemineye> Has anyone ever setup the distributed collectors using a chroot environment?
[24-Aug-2010 12:11:57] <mducharme-laptop> it doesn't seem to restore the events database because the events database is already there
[24-Aug-2010 12:21:08] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[24-Aug-2010 12:21:15] <mducharme-laptop> I deleted the events database and now it isn't getting recreated
[24-Aug-2010 12:25:20] <mducharme-laptop> I am curious about what zenmigrate does
[24-Aug-2010 12:25:27] <mducharme-laptop> I am going from 2.5.2 source to 2.5.2 stack
[24-Aug-2010 12:25:32] <mducharme-laptop> the instructions say to run zenmigrate
[24-Aug-2010 12:25:57] <mducharme-laptop> what does it do when there is no version change?
[24-Aug-2010 12:58:12] <mducharme-laptop> and do you still need to reregister the portlets
[24-Aug-2010 12:58:22] <mducharme-laptop> that is what I do not know..
[24-Aug-2010 13:30:32] <mducharme-laptop> aurgh why does this events database not restore
[24-Aug-2010 13:38:42] <mducharme-laptop> I get "mysql events database check returned 0"
[24-Aug-2010 13:38:46] <mducharme-laptop> and it doesn't restore the database
[24-Aug-2010 13:38:51] <mducharme-laptop> I can see why when I look at the source for zenrestore
[24-Aug-2010 13:39:02] <mducharme-laptop> but I don't know why the events database check returns 0
[24-Aug-2010 13:52:37] <mducharme-laptop> I really ned a developer right about now
[24-Aug-2010 13:52:44] <mducharme-laptop> I can't tell how this could even work to begin with
[24-Aug-2010 13:52:57] <mducharme-laptop> if the events database already exists it does not restore the events database
[24-Aug-2010 13:56:07] <mducharme-laptop> ok
[24-Aug-2010 13:56:16] <mducharme-laptop> so if the events database exists, it does not restore the events database
[24-Aug-2010 13:56:29] <mducharme-laptop> if the events database does not exist, it does not restore the events database
[24-Aug-2010 13:56:39] <mducharme-laptop> how on earth does the events database ever get restored with that logic??
[24-Aug-2010 14:01:04] <Simon4> sounds like a bug
[24-Aug-2010 14:01:24] <mducharme-laptop> yes
[24-Aug-2010 14:01:32] <mducharme-laptop> I'm shocked a bug that major could have made it in though
[24-Aug-2010 14:02:23] <mducharme-laptop> simon4 would you mind having a look and telling me if I'm crazy? it's in the api doc for 2.5
[24-Aug-2010 14:02:36] <Simon4> mducharme-laptop: zenrestore on 2.5.x ?
[24-Aug-2010 14:02:41] <mducharme-laptop> yes
[24-Aug-2010 14:03:27] <mducharme-laptop> the problem is the method createMySqlDb
[24-Aug-2010 14:04:12] <mducharme-laptop> if the database already exists, a 0 is returned by the mysql command line
[24-Aug-2010 14:04:30] <mducharme-laptop> if the database did not exist, it creates it and a 0 is returned by the mysql command line
[24-Aug-2010 14:04:40] <mducharme-laptop> if the user does not exist, a 256 is returned by the mysql command line
[24-Aug-2010 14:05:20] <mducharme-laptop> it is set to return true if the return code is either 0 or 256
[24-Aug-2010 14:05:54] <Simon4> roffle
[24-Aug-2010 14:05:57] <Simon4> so it returns True
[24-Aug-2010 14:06:11] <mducharme-laptop> restoreEventsDatabase is programmed to abort the restore if createMySqlDb returns true
[24-Aug-2010 14:06:12] <Simon4> and then if self.createMySqlDb(): return -1 - i.e. fail
[24-Aug-2010 14:06:14] <Simon4> bwahaahha
[24-Aug-2010 14:06:27] <mducharme-laptop> yes, exactly
[24-Aug-2010 14:06:35] <Simon4> change that to if not self.createMySqlDb() and see if it fixes it, it should
[24-Aug-2010 14:07:43] <mducharme-laptop> should createMySqlDb not return true if it is successful?
[24-Aug-2010 14:07:53] <mducharme-laptop> I mcan I know it will restore if I change that to say if not
[24-Aug-2010 14:08:18] <mducharme-laptop> ahh
[24-Aug-2010 14:08:21] <mducharme-laptop> right
[24-Aug-2010 14:08:25] <mducharme-laptop> nevermind
[24-Aug-2010 14:08:26] <mducharme-laptop> sorry
[24-Aug-2010 14:08:31] <mducharme-laptop> I'm tired, been staring at this too long
[24-Aug-2010 14:08:47] <Simon4> :)
[24-Aug-2010 14:12:57] <mducharme-laptop> I should submit this as a bug
[24-Aug-2010 14:13:06] <mducharme-laptop> I imagine it's still probably like that in 3.0x
[24-Aug-2010 14:15:14] <mducharme-laptop> ahh no someone else discovered it
[24-Aug-2010 14:15:16] <mducharme-laptop> it was fixed
[24-Aug-2010 14:15:18] <mducharme-laptop> dammit
[24-Aug-2010 14:15:22] <mducharme-laptop> I just spent hours troubleshooting a known bug
[24-Aug-2010 14:15:23] <mducharme-laptop> lol
[24-Aug-2010 14:16:14] <cgibbons> story of my life
[24-Aug-2010 14:17:07] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[24-Aug-2010 14:17:32] <mducharme-laptop> if I'm using those dump-rrd and restore-rrd scripts that guy made to move from 32-bit to 64-bit, should I be also including performance in the backup?
[24-Aug-2010 14:17:41] <mducharme-laptop> or should I be excluding the performance data
[24-Aug-2010 14:34:46] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[24-Aug-2010 14:34:48] <mducharme-laptop> I guess I will find out shortly heh
[24-Aug-2010 14:50:04] <mducharme-laptop> is it safe for me to just delete the contents of the perf directory?
[24-Aug-2010 14:52:02] <cgibbons> it'll get recreated
[24-Aug-2010 14:52:12] <cgibbons> maybe
[24-Aug-2010 14:52:18] <cgibbons> it might cause fires, too
[24-Aug-2010 14:52:37] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[24-Aug-2010 14:53:22] <cgibbons> let me be nicer :) i'm not sure it'll recreate perf/Devices or perf/Daemons - but it'll recreate anything underneath those as it needs to
[24-Aug-2010 14:53:39] <mducharme-laptop> ok heh
[24-Aug-2010 14:57:58] <mducharme-laptop> I am still not sure why rrd is not graphing all of these oids Ihave set up
[24-Aug-2010 14:58:02] <mducharme-laptop> I can snmpget the oids just fine
[24-Aug-2010 15:15:07] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[24-Aug-2010 15:15:19] <mducharme-laptop> is there a way i can test running rrdtool from the command line to pull data on an interface
[24-Aug-2010 15:16:47] <Simon4> rrdtool doesn't do the pulling, it's zenperfsnmp that you're after
[24-Aug-2010 15:16:58] <Simon4> zenperfsnmp run -v 10 -d devicename
[24-Aug-2010 15:31:30] <mducharme-laptop> ok
[24-Aug-2010 15:31:45] <mducharme-laptop> it does not even look like it is trying to pull the perf data for those two interfaces
[24-Aug-2010 15:31:47] <mducharme-laptop> I have no idea why
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[24-Aug-2010 15:32:53] <tehhobbit> bah
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[24-Aug-2010 15:33:08] <tehhobbit> [22http://open.spotify.com/track/2B3jBd6OMK58snJMoNuqWq
[24-Aug-2010 15:33:14] <tehhobbit> tillslut rätt
[24-Aug-2010 15:33:19] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[24-Aug-2010 16:01:18] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[24-Aug-2010 16:37:33] <mducharme-laptop> ok simon4
[24-Aug-2010 16:37:54] <mducharme-laptop> when I do zenperfsnmp run -v 10 -d devicename it does not fetch all performance data for the device
[24-Aug-2010 16:38:14] <mducharme-laptop> it says it is
[24-Aug-2010 16:38:19] <mducharme-laptop> and it says it is 100% complete
[24-Aug-2010 16:38:22] <mducharme-laptop> but there are things it does not fetch
[24-Aug-2010 16:38:26] <mducharme-laptop> and there are no errors visible
[24-Aug-2010 16:42:05] <Simon4> do the interfaces turn up under the OS tab for the device?
[24-Aug-2010 16:42:12] <Simon4> (the ones not being collected for)
[24-Aug-2010 16:54:42] <mducharme-laptop> simon4 yes
[24-Aug-2010 16:59:08] <mducharme-laptop> simon4 - it is really strange
[24-Aug-2010 16:59:23] <mducharme-laptop> I have basically 3 types of interface on these devices
[24-Aug-2010 17:00:00] <mducharme-laptop> one type of interface of which there are 10+ per device is graphing everything correctly
[24-Aug-2010 17:00:29] <mducharme-laptop> then there are two other interfaces on those devices of different types.. those two interfaces are not graphing anything
[24-Aug-2010 17:00:45] <mducharme-laptop> and I don't know why
[24-Aug-2010 17:00:57] <Simon4> do those two interfaces turn up in the snmpwalk output in the same table? and do their snmp indexes match what you see in zenoss?
[24-Aug-2010 17:02:22] <mducharme-laptop> no, the interfaces on this device are weird
[24-Aug-2010 17:02:35] <mducharme-laptop> there is one table that has all the interfaces except the ethernet and rf interfaces
[24-Aug-2010 17:02:54] <mducharme-laptop> those are by themselves, not in a table, mixed in with all the main device oids
[24-Aug-2010 17:03:14] <mducharme-laptop> so the index really does not matter for those two interfaces because they are not in a table
[24-Aug-2010 17:03:23] <mducharme-laptop> it is pulling all of the suid interfaces correctly
[24-Aug-2010 17:03:57] <Simon4> you could create a template that specifies the OIDs for the eth/rf interace stats if they're fixed (i.e. only one eth and one rf interface), and apply that to the device class these devices are in
[24-Aug-2010 17:04:47] <mducharme-laptop> I didn't want to have them in the perf tab for the device because that would be inconsistent with the way other devices appear in zenoss
[24-Aug-2010 17:05:42] <Simon4> so the other way would be to make a custom modeler that models just those interfaces as a custom interface type and appends them to the os.interfaces relation of a device
[24-Aug-2010 17:05:53] <Simon4> which involves code and more time, obviously
[24-Aug-2010 17:06:11] <Simon4> (of course all this modulo my limited understanding of the device :) )
[24-Aug-2010 17:06:17] <mducharme-laptop> I already have the custom modeler
[24-Aug-2010 17:06:21] <mducharme-laptop> I've done it already
[24-Aug-2010 17:06:53] <mducharme-laptop> it models the device correctly
[24-Aug-2010 17:07:30] <Simon4> okay, so if you click on the interface in zenoss, and click on the "template" tab, what template is applied, and does it match the OID's you want it to pick up?
[24-Aug-2010 17:07:35] <mducharme-laptop> the correct interface template is being assigned to the correct interface
[24-Aug-2010 17:07:36] <mducharme-laptop> yes
[24-Aug-2010 17:07:57] <mducharme-laptop> it is the correct template for that type of interface.. the oids are all correct.. I hit the "test" button and it works
[24-Aug-2010 17:08:13] <mducharme-laptop> but then zenperfsnmp doesn't even bother trying to pull down the data
[24-Aug-2010 17:08:31] <mducharme-laptop> it claims at the end of its run that it pulled everything successfully
[24-Aug-2010 17:08:40] * Simon4 finds a code snippet, 2 secs
[24-Aug-2010 17:08:57] <mducharme-laptop> but if you scan the output it doesn't try to pull aything for those two interfaces.. the only time they come up is if there are thresholds set
[24-Aug-2010 17:09:21] <Simon4> sounds very wierd
[24-Aug-2010 17:09:37] <mducharme-laptop> if you go back in the history for some devices of that type
[24-Aug-2010 17:09:39] <mducharme-laptop> and only some devices
[24-Aug-2010 17:09:47] <mducharme-laptop> there are some days or groups of hours where it was graphing those interfaces
[24-Aug-2010 17:09:50] <mducharme-laptop> oh and
[24-Aug-2010 17:09:55] <mducharme-laptop> on some devices only
[24-Aug-2010 17:10:01] <mducharme-laptop> huge gaps in the history though
[24-Aug-2010 17:10:14] <Simon4> hmm
[24-Aug-2010 17:10:22] <Simon4> how much traffic do these devices do?
[24-Aug-2010 17:10:27] <Simon4> and.
[24-Aug-2010 17:10:43] <Simon4> are there rrd files for these interfaces in $ZENHOME/perf/Devices/devname/etc
[24-Aug-2010 17:11:42] <mducharme-laptop> nope
[24-Aug-2010 17:11:50] <mducharme-laptop> the rrd files are missing for those interfaces
[24-Aug-2010 17:12:39] <mducharme-laptop> except for those devices where they are randomly collecting some data
[24-Aug-2010 17:13:12] <mducharme-laptop> the devices are wireless access points, they support 3Mbps on the wireless interface, that's all they can handle
[24-Aug-2010 17:14:07] <Simon4> right, so not a counter reset problem then :)
[24-Aug-2010 17:33:41] <qwebirc984529> ok I found the problem here..
[24-Aug-2010 17:33:51] <qwebirc984529> it looks like the first snmp performance query to the device always times out
[24-Aug-2010 17:38:16] qwebirc984529 is now known as mducharme-laptop
[24-Aug-2010 17:50:48] <mducharme-laptop> hrm is there any problem with lowering zMaxOIDsPerRequest to 1?
[24-Aug-2010 17:50:53] <mducharme-laptop> for a large portion of my devices?
[24-Aug-2010 18:43:14] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[24-Aug-2010 21:34:20] <bitshuffler> Hi guys. Anyone online who happens to deal with your wmi copy?
[24-Aug-2010 21:35:22] <bitshuffler> as in I try to package it for mandriva which fails for some "torture/rpc/wkssvc.c:41: error: format not a string literal and no format arguments" but the strange macro stunts you pull of in that code are just over my head
[24-Aug-2010 22:11:39] <mducharme> bitshuffler - "wmi copy"?
[24-Aug-2010 22:14:02] <bitshuffler> mducharme: the stuff that is available from http://dev.zenoss.org/svn/trunk/inst/externallibs/wmi-1.3.13.tar.bz2 - I'm not sure if you (zenoss) run that thingy or if it is from somewhere else.
[24-Aug-2010 22:14:32] <bitshuffler> I mean externallibs kinda implies that but still I would hope someone here could help me out with it
[24-Aug-2010 23:16:28] <mducharme> bitshuffler - most people in here I think manage *nix boxes more than windows
[24-Aug-2010 23:18:44] <bitshuffler> mducharme: heh, no disagreement here - I just happen to package openvas for some distros which could profit from wmi getting build so it would be able to also test windows boxes. Personally I don't care since I don't have any use for it but it would be a nice addition for peeps so I thought I would ask :)
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[26-Aug-2010 08:35:40] <rmatte> morning
[26-Aug-2010 08:36:50] <ericenns> morning
[26-Aug-2010 08:37:26] <mrayzenoss> good morning all
[26-Aug-2010 08:38:24] <rmatte> if I get any more work piled on me I'm going to phone hell to ask about their exchange program :)
[26-Aug-2010 08:39:31] <rmatte> I have enough work for the next 4 or 5 weeks
[26-Aug-2010 08:40:22] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: you probably have me beat though
[26-Aug-2010 08:43:19] <mrayzenoss> making some headway today if I'm lucky
[26-Aug-2010 08:46:47] <rmatte> coool
[26-Aug-2010 08:46:58] <rmatte> s/o//
[26-Aug-2010 08:47:13] <mrayzenoss> already 2 more updated ZenPacks came in this morning
[26-Aug-2010 08:47:51] <rmatte> nice
[26-Aug-2010 08:48:07] <rmatte> I'm itching to get my catalyst ZenPack packaged and done, but stuff just keeps piling up
[26-Aug-2010 08:48:15] <rmatte> I won't be able to do any more development work for a while
[26-Aug-2010 08:48:19] <rmatte> too much administrative stuff
[26-Aug-2010 08:48:24] <mrayzenoss> I hear that
[26-Aug-2010 08:49:02] <mrayzenoss> I'm supposed to give a talk in 2 weeks over provisioning tool integration with Zenoss (Chef, Puppet, Cfengine) and I haven't written the Chef stuff yet
[26-Aug-2010 08:49:21] <rmatte> yikes
[26-Aug-2010 08:49:25] <rmatte> thought you were close to done that?
[26-Aug-2010 08:49:33] <mrayzenoss> I've got a working outline
[26-Aug-2010 08:49:40] <rmatte> ah
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[26-Aug-2010 09:28:11] <ericenns> if I have a print statement in my modeler plugin where would it print too?
[26-Aug-2010 09:28:31] <mrayzenoss> I believe it's either in the zenmodeler output or zenhub.log
[26-Aug-2010 09:28:46] <mrayzenoss> make sure zenhub is in debug mode and restart it each time your make changes to your modeler
[26-Aug-2010 09:29:57] <cgibbons> if it's in the collect() method or children calls it'll go to zenmodeler; if it's in the process() method or it's children it'll go to zenhub. most of the time for custom plugins this means zenhub.
[26-Aug-2010 09:30:10] <mrayzenoss> there's an authoritative answer :)
[26-Aug-2010 09:30:26] <ericenns> oh ok thanks'
[26-Aug-2010 09:30:50] <cgibbons> if you're not writing a PythonPlugin then the collect & process methods may be hidden away from you, but it just depends upon the plugin type
[26-Aug-2010 09:30:57] <fragfutter> mrayzenoss: wow, the architecture overview of chef (it was new to me, so i needed to read it) displays more buzzwords per bubble then anything
[26-Aug-2010 09:31:10] <cgibbons> but yeah, if you're working with modeling plugins the best thing to do is to have zenhub running in debug as well as zenmodeler in two different terminal sessions
[26-Aug-2010 09:31:10] <mrayzenoss> fragfutter: where's that?
[26-Aug-2010 09:31:17] <fragfutter> http://wiki.opscode.com/display/chef/Architecture
[26-Aug-2010 09:31:38] <mrayzenoss> fragfutter: there's a reason they push you to use their hosted platform :)
[26-Aug-2010 09:31:38] <fragfutter> written in ruby, couchdb backaend, rabbitmq and solr
[26-Aug-2010 09:31:52] <fragfutter> say, anything traditional?
[26-Aug-2010 09:32:03] <fragfutter> no, we are so awesome and cool
[26-Aug-2010 09:32:08] <ericenns> cgibbons: ok thanks I just have a snmp modeler plugin and one of the oid returns 50L or anynumber then L and I want to strip the L then do some mathematics on it
[26-Aug-2010 09:32:09] <fragfutter> can't mess with legacy
[26-Aug-2010 09:33:16] <mrayzenoss> fragfutter: I've liked what I've seen from the chef-client side, the server is definitely intimidating, but you can can use chef-solo to create a chef-server
[26-Aug-2010 09:34:07] <fragfutter> i like to understand what i use.
[26-Aug-2010 09:35:01] <mrayzenoss> fragfutter: I know their community managers, they definitely have a hard time supporting the distros because they're so bleeding edge
[26-Aug-2010 09:35:25] <mrayzenoss> fragfutter: think of it as a chance to learn a lot about everything ;)
[26-Aug-2010 09:40:24] <cgibbons> bbiab
[26-Aug-2010 09:48:16] <ericenns> hey so can chef be used to setup ubuntu workstations
[26-Aug-2010 09:48:52] <mrayzenoss> ericenns: I believe so
[26-Aug-2010 09:49:10] <mrayzenoss> I mean, you can setup servers and dictate which packages are setup
[26-Aug-2010 09:49:27] <mrayzenoss> I know that's a goal of theirs
[26-Aug-2010 09:49:53] <mrayzenoss> I plan on making a Zenoss cookbook for automatically deploying a Zenoss server
[26-Aug-2010 09:49:54] <ericenns> ok I just have been tasked with trying to figure out a way to setup our workstation's tried making a more customized ubuntu distribution but that didn't work out yet
[26-Aug-2010 09:50:06] <ericenns> oh that a good idead
[26-Aug-2010 09:50:14] <mrayzenoss> ericenns: head over to #chef, lots of helpful folks there
[26-Aug-2010 09:50:22] <ericenns> ok thanks
[26-Aug-2010 09:50:32] <mrayzenoss> tell 'em I sent you :)
[26-Aug-2010 09:51:07] <ericenns> will do
[26-Aug-2010 09:56:19] <mrayzenoss> ericenns: once I clear out a bit of my ZenPack backlog I'm working on the Chef monitoring and cookbook
[26-Aug-2010 09:56:31] <ericenns> oh ok
[26-Aug-2010 09:56:38] <mrayzenoss> so the various pieces of that architecture diagram will get monitored :)
[26-Aug-2010 10:11:59] <mducharme> hey mrayzenoss
[26-Aug-2010 10:12:07] <mducharme> I had a question for you about subinterfaces
[26-Aug-2010 10:12:50] <mducharme> b/c they use different performance counters - why not modify InterfaceMap.py in zenoss such that if the interface name has a "/" in it, (i.e. it is a subinterface) it adds on like a "-subif" suffix to the interface type
[26-Aug-2010 10:13:13] <mducharme> that way there are not tons of events generated by the failure to poll the oids
[26-Aug-2010 10:13:58] <mducharme> what do you think?
[26-Aug-2010 10:19:24] <mrayzenoss> sounds like a valid enhancement, or if you've got a patch open it as a defect
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[26-Aug-2010 10:46:13] <willwh> howdy folks :)
[26-Aug-2010 10:46:38] <willwh> mrayzenoss: I asked you this before, ofc can't find in my logs - how do I connect to the zenossdb to pull stats remotely to another db?
[26-Aug-2010 10:48:02] <mrayzenoss> willwh: there are 3 "databases": events, objects and performance data. Which do you want to access?
[26-Aug-2010 10:48:15] <willwh> perf data
[26-Aug-2010 10:48:35] <mrayzenoss> in that case, you're looking at the RRD files in the $ZENHOME/perf directory
[26-Aug-2010 10:48:48] <willwh> ah ok
[26-Aug-2010 10:49:05] <mrayzenoss> you can pull these via http or you can use the files directly if you're familiar with RRD
[26-Aug-2010 10:49:19] <mrayzenoss> that is, the graphs or the data
[26-Aug-2010 10:52:03] <willwh> ak ok
[26-Aug-2010 11:08:06] <ericenns> hey so I am created a zenpack and have extended a component but in my one table the values are showing a certain problem any idea what that cause may be
[26-Aug-2010 11:09:16] <ericenns> I know the values are being put into the variable correctly
[26-Aug-2010 11:11:53] <willwh> mrayzenoss: is there any community docs on the above? I am guessing I need to set up a virtualhost in apache to get access to this stuff?
[26-Aug-2010 11:12:40] <mrayzenoss> willwh: I know I've seen it around, try searching the wiki
[26-Aug-2010 11:13:52] <mrayzenoss> this looks promising: docs/DOC-5900
[26-Aug-2010 11:17:32] <willwh> mrayzenoss: yes it does :)
[26-Aug-2010 11:17:35] <willwh> thank you
[26-Aug-2010 11:17:44] <mrayzenoss> no problem
[26-Aug-2010 11:18:22] <ericenns> so if I go into zport I can see the value but it work show in my component table
[26-Aug-2010 11:18:58] <ericenns> checked configure.zcml, info.py. interfaces.py. resources/javascript, /skins what else should I look at
[26-Aug-2010 11:46:46] <willwh> mrayzenoss: just one more quick query - if I want to just pull the overall device status, that would be the events db?
[26-Aug-2010 11:52:31] <rmatte> willwh: you're referring to availability or what?
[26-Aug-2010 11:52:49] <willwh> rmatte: hello :) - yes I am
[26-Aug-2010 11:53:12] <rmatte> yeh, availability is calculated based on the event db
[26-Aug-2010 11:53:13] <willwh> we have a server inventory table in our crm - and I'd like to hook through a green/amber/red light as per status
[26-Aug-2010 11:53:51] <willwh> I love zenoss - but management want things integrated to our crm, to be able to see things easily (sigh)
[26-Aug-2010 11:53:52] <rmatte> ah
[26-Aug-2010 11:53:56] <willwh> I said why not just log in to zenoss? :p
[26-Aug-2010 11:54:06] <rmatte> yeh, management are weird like that
[26-Aug-2010 11:54:14] <rmatte> create tons of extra work to avoid a couple of mouse clicks
[26-Aug-2010 11:54:27] <willwh> crm = sql/asp.net
[26-Aug-2010 11:54:30] <willwh> yes
[26-Aug-2010 11:54:54] <rmatte> but yeh, you'll want to be looking to see what devices have current ping down events in the events database
[26-Aug-2010 11:55:00] <rmatte> and that will tell you what's down
[26-Aug-2010 11:55:16] <willwh> yes - exactly what I need - I don't suppose there are docs surrounding doing so?
[26-Aug-2010 11:55:37] <rmatte> there's actually another way to do it too...
[26-Aug-2010 11:56:40] <rmatte> http://dmon.org/downloads/zenoss/reports/inventory.py
[26-Aug-2010 11:56:49] <rmatte> I have code in that to get the ping status of devices
[26-Aug-2010 11:56:57] <rmatte> you could take that code and adapt it for what you need
[26-Aug-2010 11:57:02] <rmatte> not sure how good your python is
[26-Aug-2010 11:57:10] <rmatte> though it might just be easier for you to go directly in to sql
[26-Aug-2010 11:58:39] <willwh> python is not great :)
[26-Aug-2010 11:58:42] <willwh> it may be.
[26-Aug-2010 12:00:49] <Michelle_> anybody monitoring racoon? I can't seem to get monitoring racoon as an os process to work.
[26-Aug-2010 12:02:06] <rmatte> Michelle_: well, if you do an snmpwalk do you see it's processes listed?
[26-Aug-2010 12:02:18] <Michelle_> not using snmp
[26-Aug-2010 12:02:20] <Michelle_> using ssh
[26-Aug-2010 12:02:25] <rmatte> ohhh
[26-Aug-2010 12:02:33] <rmatte> well, in that case, if you do a ps aux
[26-Aug-2010 12:02:38] <rmatte> do you see the processes running?
[26-Aug-2010 12:03:12] <Michelle_> from zenoss?
[26-Aug-2010 12:03:28] <rmatte> no, on the box itself, I want to know what the processes actually look like
[26-Aug-2010 12:03:32] <Michelle_> yes
[26-Aug-2010 12:03:34] <rmatte> to get an idea of how you'll have to configure it
[26-Aug-2010 12:04:29] <Michelle_> ps -eo pid,rss,cputime,args --cols=999 | grep racoon
[26-Aug-2010 12:04:40] <Michelle_> 1589 1988 00:00:02 /usr/sbin/racoon -l /var/log/racoon/racoon.log -f /etc/racoon/racoon.conf -l /var/log/racoon/racoon.log
[26-Aug-2010 12:04:47] <Michelle_> 5064 676 00:00:00 grep racoon
[26-Aug-2010 12:05:02] <rmatte> have you added /usr/sbin/racoon to the Processes section in Zenoss?
[26-Aug-2010 12:05:18] <Michelle_> yes
[26-Aug-2010 12:05:37] <rmatte> and you remodeled the device... and it's not picking it up...
[26-Aug-2010 12:05:53] <rmatte> I don't do any ssh monitoring myself as I find it too limited
[26-Aug-2010 12:05:54] <Michelle_> under /processes
[26-Aug-2010 12:06:02] <Michelle_> i added a process for racoon
[26-Aug-2010 12:06:09] <Michelle_> with regex
[26-Aug-2010 12:06:12] <rmatte> you just named the process "racoon" and that was it?
[26-Aug-2010 12:06:36] <Michelle_> i named it racoon
[26-Aug-2010 12:06:44] <Michelle_> when i tried to name it /usr/sbin/racoon
[26-Aug-2010 12:06:54] <Michelle_> it said it didn't like the /s
[26-Aug-2010 12:07:10] <rmatte> hmmm... probably could have done...
[26-Aug-2010 12:07:15] <rmatte> \/usr\/sbin\/racoon
[26-Aug-2010 12:07:24] <Michelle_> ok
[26-Aug-2010 12:07:28] <Michelle_> i'll try that
[26-Aug-2010 12:07:31] <rmatte> k
[26-Aug-2010 12:07:49] <rmatte> I don't know how well those Linux SSH plugins actually work
[26-Aug-2010 12:07:56] <rmatte> the process monitoring could be broken for all I know
[26-Aug-2010 12:08:01] <Michelle_> The id "\/usr\/sbin\/racoon" contains characters illegal in URLs.
[26-Aug-2010 12:08:05] <Michelle_> thats what i get
[26-Aug-2010 12:08:07] <rmatte> lame...
[26-Aug-2010 12:08:11] <rmatte> ok, just leave the racoon one...
[26-Aug-2010 12:08:15] <rmatte> try restarting Zenoss
[26-Aug-2010 12:08:17] <Michelle_> adding the process with that noame
[26-Aug-2010 12:08:18] <rmatte> then remodel the device
[26-Aug-2010 12:08:26] <rmatte> sometimes daemons take ages to pick up on new config options
[26-Aug-2010 12:08:32] <rmatte> especially for processes
[26-Aug-2010 12:08:51] <Michelle_> ok
[26-Aug-2010 12:08:56] <Michelle_> lovely
[26-Aug-2010 12:08:57] <rmatte> I'm not sure if it would be zencommand or zenprocess taking care of ssh process modelling
[26-Aug-2010 12:09:08] <rmatte> you could just try restarting zencommand and zenprocess
[26-Aug-2010 12:09:11] <rmatte> and see if that does it
[26-Aug-2010 12:09:36] <Michelle_> we have distributed collectors
[26-Aug-2010 12:09:42] <rmatte> ah
[26-Aug-2010 12:09:56] <Michelle_> so i'm assuming i would need to push it to all the collectors from the hub
[26-Aug-2010 12:09:57] <rmatte> I'm even less sure about ssh monitoring via distributed collectors lol
[26-Aug-2010 12:10:06] <Michelle_> and wait
[26-Aug-2010 12:10:11] <rmatte> yeh, but pushing it doesn't always work for zenprocess
[26-Aug-2010 12:10:14] <Michelle_> k
[26-Aug-2010 12:10:21] <rmatte> usually when I make changes to process configuration I restart it
[26-Aug-2010 12:10:27] <Michelle_> i can always put in a ticket with the enterprise folks
[26-Aug-2010 12:10:34] <rmatte> yeh
[26-Aug-2010 12:10:47] <Michelle_> but wanted to see if the room hand any ideas
[26-Aug-2010 12:10:53] <Michelle_> appreciate it
[26-Aug-2010 12:11:10] <rmatte> I really should muck around with SSH monitoring on one of my Linux boxes one day so that I understand it fully
[26-Aug-2010 12:11:33] <rmatte> It's one of the few issues that people come in here with that make me go "uhhhh"
[26-Aug-2010 12:11:34] <rmatte> :)
[26-Aug-2010 12:23:41] <forsberg> :P
[26-Aug-2010 12:27:15] <ericenns> hey rmatte do you know how to remove a relationship
[26-Aug-2010 12:27:33] <ericenns> im trying to dump something but it just wont go away you know
[26-Aug-2010 12:28:02] <rmatte> ericenns: dump what?
[26-Aug-2010 12:28:21] <ericenns> ie I have a ToManyContRelationship at /zport/dmd/Devices/Network/SAN/EqualLogic/devices/DiskArray-0/hw/storagepools
[26-Aug-2010 12:28:31] <ericenns> im trying to dump that realtionship
[26-Aug-2010 12:28:46] <ericenns> I delete it in zope and it wont go away
[26-Aug-2010 12:29:35] <ericenns> it's left over from a zenpack I was developing but I removed it and the relationship stayed behind
[26-Aug-2010 12:30:54] <rmatte> ericenns: ah, hmmm
[26-Aug-2010 12:31:25] <ericenns> ya dont want to have to reinstall zenoss for the 4th time to fix it
[26-Aug-2010 12:31:34] <rmatte> I'm trying to think back if I've ever come across that
[26-Aug-2010 12:31:40] <rmatte> I think I might have come across something similar...
[26-Aug-2010 12:31:56] <rmatte> just looking through my docs to see if I wrote anything down about it
[26-Aug-2010 12:32:30] <ericenns> oh ok
[26-Aug-2010 12:34:22] <ericenns> its sticks just to this one device I had I have tryed deleting the device also and that doesn't work
[26-Aug-2010 12:37:57] <ericenns> or do you know how to completely remove a device from zenoss ie no trace left
[26-Aug-2010 12:38:53] <ericenns> found this thread/8704#33777
[26-Aug-2010 12:38:55] <rmatte> well, that's essentially what a delete does
[26-Aug-2010 12:38:59] <rmatte> yours is just failing for some reason
[26-Aug-2010 12:39:12] <ericenns> ya
[26-Aug-2010 12:39:30] <rmatte> a reindex is definitely worth a try
[26-Aug-2010 12:39:34] <ericenns> im going to reindex in zendmd and see what happens
[26-Aug-2010 12:39:38] <rmatte> you could have some conflicts in your zope db
[26-Aug-2010 12:39:49] <ericenns> quite possible
[26-Aug-2010 12:40:01] <rmatte> reindex has saved me in quite a few cases
[26-Aug-2010 12:40:04] <rmatte> hehe
[26-Aug-2010 12:40:32] <ericenns> good to know so thats like a restart lol for windows
[26-Aug-2010 12:42:07] <ericenns> first try no result deleting device then reindexing
[26-Aug-2010 12:42:19] <rmatte> eugh, is there no spot in Jive where I can check what threads I've posted in rather than just the ones that I started?
[26-Aug-2010 12:42:30] <rmatte> I know I posted about something similar to this
[26-Aug-2010 12:42:49] <rmatte> don't delete the device then reindex
[26-Aug-2010 12:42:53] <rmatte> reindex while the device is present
[26-Aug-2010 12:43:08] <ericenns> i reindexed when device was present with no avail
[26-Aug-2010 12:45:21] <rmatte> damn, I found the post I was thinking of but it's for something different
[26-Aug-2010 12:45:41] <ericenns> oh shoot
[26-Aug-2010 12:46:48] <rmatte> actually, one sec...
[26-Aug-2010 12:47:20] <ericenns> when I click on the old component I get "NotFound default"
[26-Aug-2010 12:47:25] <rmatte> http://pastebin.com/QeC124k2
[26-Aug-2010 12:47:27] <rmatte> try that
[26-Aug-2010 12:47:29] <rmatte> for the heck of it
[26-Aug-2010 12:47:34] <rmatte> remove the device first
[26-Aug-2010 12:47:41] <ericenns> ok
[26-Aug-2010 12:49:08] <ericenns> ImportError: No module named ZenModel.PerformanceConf
[26-Aug-2010 12:49:21] <rmatte> hmmm weird
[26-Aug-2010 12:49:23] <rmatte> it used to work
[26-Aug-2010 12:49:29] <rmatte> maybe they renamed or removed that module
[26-Aug-2010 12:49:33] <ericenns> where should it be located
[26-Aug-2010 12:49:39] <rmatte> you are running that as the Zenoss user right?
[26-Aug-2010 12:49:46] <rmatte> under zendmd
[26-Aug-2010 12:49:47] <rmatte> ?
[26-Aug-2010 12:49:49] <ericenns> yes
[26-Aug-2010 12:49:52] <rmatte> k
[26-Aug-2010 12:50:04] <ericenns> run in zendmd
[26-Aug-2010 12:50:28] <rmatte> /usr/local/zenoss/zenoss/Products/ZenModel/PerformanceConf.py
[26-Aug-2010 12:51:09] <rmatte> it is present in the newest version and in 2.5 as well
[26-Aug-2010 12:51:21] <rmatte> so not sure why you're not able to use it
[26-Aug-2010 12:51:25] <ericenns> how do i run the script then I put it in remove.py
[26-Aug-2010 12:51:34] <ericenns> and tried python remove.py
[26-Aug-2010 12:51:38] <rmatte> no no
[26-Aug-2010 12:51:47] <rmatte> open up zendmd and just paste the script in
[26-Aug-2010 12:51:54] <rmatte> it won't run standalone
[26-Aug-2010 12:52:04] <ericenns> oh ok did that and it must have worked
[26-Aug-2010 12:52:20] <rmatte> did you see any output saying it was removing anything?
[26-Aug-2010 12:52:35] <ericenns> no no output saying it removed anything
[26-Aug-2010 12:52:36] <rmatte> hit enter a couple times to make sure you're back at the prompt
[26-Aug-2010 12:52:58] <ericenns> it went back to prompt
[26-Aug-2010 12:53:04] <rmatte> can you pastebin the full error you're getting?
[26-Aug-2010 12:53:30] <ericenns> there was no error when I ran it in zendmd
[26-Aug-2010 12:54:08] <rmatte> yeh that means it completed but didn't find any problems
[26-Aug-2010 12:54:17] <ericenns> ok
[26-Aug-2010 12:54:25] <rmatte> though it tackles something specific which obviously has nothing to do with your issue at this point lol
[26-Aug-2010 12:54:35] <ericenns> ya hmm
[26-Aug-2010 12:57:29] <ericenns> well lunch time back to this later
[26-Aug-2010 12:57:33] <rmatte> k
[26-Aug-2010 12:59:21] <rmatte> ericenns: post it on the forums
[26-Aug-2010 12:59:28] <rmatte> some of the devs watch the forums
[26-Aug-2010 12:59:38] <rmatte> they would probably have a better idea about this than I do
[26-Aug-2010 13:04:27] <rmatte> this channel is so quiet lately
[26-Aug-2010 13:04:28] <rmatte> lol
[26-Aug-2010 13:08:01] <cgibbons> crickets
[26-Aug-2010 13:11:18] <chemist> ping
[26-Aug-2010 13:11:40] <chemist> its because you've been away rmatte
[26-Aug-2010 13:12:08] <rmatte> lol
[26-Aug-2010 13:12:35] <rmatte> "He's gone. Abandon ship!"
[26-Aug-2010 13:12:55] <chemist> lol
[26-Aug-2010 13:13:07] <chemist> rmatte: been on holiday?
[26-Aug-2010 13:13:58] <rmatte> chemist: yeh, I was
[26-Aug-2010 13:14:06] <rmatte> just got back yesterday
[26-Aug-2010 13:14:38] <chemist> that's why its been quiet for the last fortnight :)
[26-Aug-2010 13:15:42] <rmatte> lol
[26-Aug-2010 13:15:59] <rmatte> I caught up on so much work today
[26-Aug-2010 13:16:01] <rmatte> quite happy
[26-Aug-2010 13:16:08] <rmatte> still lots to do
[26-Aug-2010 13:17:58] <mrayzenoss> Speaking of catching up… bigegor's been really busy updating his ZenPacks, here's a few he's updated (all 3.0 compatible)
[26-Aug-2010 13:18:06] <mrayzenoss> Advanced Device Details: docs/DOC-3452
[26-Aug-2010 13:18:20] <mrayzenoss> Components Cleaner
[26-Aug-2010 13:18:20] <mrayzenoss> docs/DOC-3483
[26-Aug-2010 13:18:33] <mrayzenoss> Dell Monitor
[26-Aug-2010 13:18:33] <mrayzenoss> docs/DOC-3410
[26-Aug-2010 13:18:41] <rmatte> nice
[26-Aug-2010 13:18:44] <mrayzenoss> Distributed Collectors
[26-Aug-2010 13:18:44] <mrayzenoss> docs/DOC-5861
[26-Aug-2010 13:18:54] <mrayzenoss> HP EVA Monitor
[26-Aug-2010 13:18:55] <mrayzenoss> docs/DOC-5867
[26-Aug-2010 13:18:56] <rmatte> he's da man
[26-Aug-2010 13:19:05] <mrayzenoss> HP ProLiant Monitor
[26-Aug-2010 13:19:05] <mrayzenoss> docs/DOC-3394
[26-Aug-2010 13:19:17] <mrayzenoss> MS SQL ODBC Database Monitor
[26-Aug-2010 13:19:18] <mrayzenoss> docs/DOC-3391
[26-Aug-2010 13:19:27] <mrayzenoss> NetWare SNMP
[26-Aug-2010 13:19:27] <mrayzenoss> docs/DOC-3499
[26-Aug-2010 13:19:39] <mrayzenoss> ODBC Data Source
[26-Aug-2010 13:19:39] <mrayzenoss> docs/DOC-3440
[26-Aug-2010 13:19:50] <mrayzenoss> RDBMS Monitoring
[26-Aug-2010 13:19:51] <mrayzenoss> docs/DOC-3447
[26-Aug-2010 13:20:01] <mrayzenoss> Virtual IP
[26-Aug-2010 13:20:01] <mrayzenoss> docs/DOC-5800
[26-Aug-2010 13:20:10] <mrayzenoss> WBEM Data Source
[26-Aug-2010 13:20:11] <mrayzenoss> docs/DOC-3409
[26-Aug-2010 13:20:20] <mrayzenoss> WMI Data Source
[26-Aug-2010 13:20:20] <mrayzenoss> docs/DOC-3392
[26-Aug-2010 13:20:31] <mrayzenoss> WMI Windows Performance
[26-Aug-2010 13:20:32] <mrayzenoss> docs/DOC-3500
[26-Aug-2010 13:20:46] <rmatte> he really went on a tear
[26-Aug-2010 13:20:48] <mrayzenoss> Obviously he's trying to flood the ZenPack contest and win all the prizes
[26-Aug-2010 13:20:58] <forsberg> :P
[26-Aug-2010 13:20:58] <rmatte> no word if the IPSLA ZenPack will be updated to work with 3.0?
[26-Aug-2010 13:21:11] <mrayzenoss> I don't know what the latest status is on that one
[26-Aug-2010 13:21:20] <mrayzenoss> waiting for someone to email me and tell me it's good
[26-Aug-2010 13:21:23] <rmatte> updates are considered as highly as new content I hope?
[26-Aug-2010 13:21:28] <mrayzenoss> absolutely
[26-Aug-2010 13:21:29] <rmatte> aren't*
[26-Aug-2010 13:21:32] <rmatte> rather
[26-Aug-2010 13:21:39] <mloven> I can't even get it to work on 2.5.2. :)
[26-Aug-2010 13:21:46] <mrayzenoss> well, it's equal credit for updates and new entries
[26-Aug-2010 13:21:48] <rmatte> so someone can add a datapoint to their pack, submit it, and they get full credit for all of the content again?
[26-Aug-2010 13:21:52] <rmatte> seems a bit unfair?
[26-Aug-2010 13:21:55] <mrayzenoss> and for verifying one works with 3.0
[26-Aug-2010 13:22:04] <mloven> but I'm sure that's my fault, not the zenpack's...
[26-Aug-2010 13:22:18] <rmatte> k
[26-Aug-2010 13:22:24] <mrayzenoss> chances are good if you submit a new ZenPack, you're more likely to win one of the prizes handed out by the judges (2/3s of the prizes)
[26-Aug-2010 13:22:38] <mrayzenoss> also, if you submit a new one and have updates to it, those count too
[26-Aug-2010 13:22:48] <rmatte> well, I'm going to do some updated to my collector tool pack since some new bugs were found with it
[26-Aug-2010 13:22:56] * Simon4 hurries up and writes up the blade chassis one
[26-Aug-2010 13:23:00] <rmatte> and I'm going to be submitting the catalyst pack
[26-Aug-2010 13:23:07] <Simon4> mrayzenoss: when does comp close?
[26-Aug-2010 13:23:12] <mrayzenoss> there are 15 prizes, so I should have enough for lots of folks
[26-Aug-2010 13:23:18] <mrayzenoss> Simon4: end of next month
[26-Aug-2010 13:23:23] <Simon4> sweet
[26-Aug-2010 13:23:40] <mrayzenoss> Andrea Consadori and Egor are definitely flooding the contest with updates and new ones
[26-Aug-2010 13:24:04] <mrayzenoss> no coincidence they won the last 2 contests
[26-Aug-2010 13:24:17] <mrayzenoss> but there are 15 prizes and you can win more than once
[26-Aug-2010 13:24:36] * mrayzenoss feels like he's making more work for himself :)
[26-Aug-2010 13:26:02] <Simon4> mrayzenoss: 3.0 design(y) question... given the components are now clickable on the left hand side on a device view, and tend to show very similar info to a custom tab, is it better to just expose the info from the clickable component vs having custom tabs?
[26-Aug-2010 13:26:15] <Simon4> is there any documentation with style recommendations etc?
[26-Aug-2010 13:26:23] <mrayzenoss> cgibbons?
[26-Aug-2010 13:26:30] <cgibbons> ¿que?
[26-Aug-2010 13:26:37] <mrayzenoss> Simon4's question
[26-Aug-2010 13:27:05] <bigegor> contest winning is not my goal
[26-Aug-2010 13:27:07] <cgibbons> simon - yeah, almst always
[26-Aug-2010 13:27:16] <mrayzenoss> bigegor: I'm just teasing
[26-Aug-2010 13:27:25] <cgibbons> the exception would be if a grid master/detail display pattern doesn't work
[26-Aug-2010 13:27:44] <Simon4> cgibbons: okay, cool
[26-Aug-2010 13:27:54] <mrayzenoss> heading to a quick meeting
[26-Aug-2010 13:28:31] <Simon4> cgibbons: so the next question, is there a way within a zenpack to work out if you're 2.5.x or 3, and disable the tabs/make the grid view active based on the version?
[26-Aug-2010 13:28:37] <Simon4> if the answer is "read the docs" that's fine
[26-Aug-2010 13:28:44] <cgibbons> nope
[26-Aug-2010 13:28:55] <Simon4> so two versions then?
[26-Aug-2010 13:29:09] <cgibbons> i mean you could swizzle up code to do it, but it would be messy
[26-Aug-2010 13:29:13] <Simon4> *nod*
[26-Aug-2010 13:29:23] <cgibbons> so yeah, I'd do 2 versions and the 2.5.x version would be end-of-life
[26-Aug-2010 13:30:04] <Simon4> cool
[26-Aug-2010 13:30:23] <rmatte> hopefully this will be the last of major ZenPack revamps
[26-Aug-2010 13:30:24] <rmatte> lol
[26-Aug-2010 13:30:27] <rmatte> it's getting tiresome
[26-Aug-2010 13:30:35] <rmatte> first it was zip to egg, now it's 2.5 to 3.0
[26-Aug-2010 13:30:37] <Simon4> heh, it's a fairly huge UI change I think
[26-Aug-2010 13:30:47] <cgibbons> *shrug* unless we get a true ZenPack API it will be inevitible
[26-Aug-2010 13:30:50] * Simon4 hasn't tried customizing the zip thingy
[26-Aug-2010 13:30:50] <cgibbons> inevitable?
[26-Aug-2010 13:31:00] <rmatte> inevitable
[26-Aug-2010 13:31:01] <rmatte> :P
[26-Aug-2010 13:31:10] <cgibbons> eh you figured it out, living language, etc
[26-Aug-2010 13:31:53] <rmatte> hehe
[26-Aug-2010 13:32:25] <ericenns> can I delete a relationship in ZenDMD if yes how?
[26-Aug-2010 13:32:38] mrayzenoss1 is now known as mrayzenoss
[26-Aug-2010 13:32:44] <bigegor> Simon4: all my ZenPacks supported both Zenoss version 2.5 and 3.0. Look on line 6: http://zenpacks.zenoss.org/trac-zenpacks/browser/zenpacks/ZenPacks.community.deviceAdvDetail/ZenPacks/community/deviceAdvDetail/configure.zcml
[26-Aug-2010 13:33:13] <Simon4> bigegor: ah cool
[26-Aug-2010 13:33:52] <ericenns> I have one relationship that is there but should for one of my device classes
[26-Aug-2010 13:33:58] <bigegor> i will register 3.0 things only if Products.Zuul installed (True for Zenoss 3.0)
[26-Aug-2010 13:34:04] <Simon4> *nod*
[26-Aug-2010 13:34:12] <Dingofest2> what is the default URL after installing zenoss: thanks
[26-Aug-2010 13:34:21] * Simon4 will have a read of some of your zenpacks and learn some of the new stuff
[26-Aug-2010 13:34:28] <Simon4> Dingofest2: http://zenossserver:8080/zport/dmd/
[26-Aug-2010 13:34:38] <Dingofest2> Simon4: thanks
[26-Aug-2010 13:47:04] christophermlee_ is now known as christophermlee
[26-Aug-2010 13:47:18] <rmatte> cgibbons: ping
[26-Aug-2010 13:47:22] <cgibbons> ¿que?
[26-Aug-2010 13:48:07] <rmatte> ericenns: is getting the following error in his install: ToManyContRelationship at /zport/dmd/Devices/Network/SAN/EqualLogic/devices/DiskArray-0/hw/storagepools
[26-Aug-2010 13:48:13] <forsberg> anyone using docs/DOC-3414 ? opensolaris pack, with <3.0
[26-Aug-2010 13:48:23] <rmatte> and re-adding then removing the device doesn't help
[26-Aug-2010 13:48:28] <rmatte> any idea what to do with that?
[26-Aug-2010 13:48:38] <rmatte> I've never personally seen that issue before
[26-Aug-2010 13:49:16] <cgibbons> any more context?
[26-Aug-2010 13:50:04] <ericenns> cgibbons: I installed my own zenpack and it had that relationship and after removing it the relationship continued
[26-Aug-2010 13:51:34] <ericenns> so for one device after multiple removes a component stays with it which doesn't exist and errors when trying to view that component with this erroir: NotFound default
[26-Aug-2010 13:55:15] <rmatte> ericenns: you might want to pastebin.com the full traceback
[26-Aug-2010 13:55:22] <rmatte> which will give us a better idea of what's going on
[26-Aug-2010 13:56:08] <ericenns> http://pastebin.com/twKyjtp0 this is all\
[26-Aug-2010 13:56:28] <rmatte> no, I mean the other error
[26-Aug-2010 13:56:36] <rmatte> the ToManyContRelationship
[26-Aug-2010 13:56:37] <rmatte> error
[26-Aug-2010 13:56:44] <rmatte> there should be a traceback for that
[26-Aug-2010 13:57:01] <ericenns> that wasn't an error just me seeing that it still existed is an error i.e. no traceback
[26-Aug-2010 13:57:28] <ericenns> i went into zope from web interface and saw that the relationship still existed when It shouldn't
[26-Aug-2010 13:57:42] <rmatte> ah
[26-Aug-2010 13:58:07] <ericenns> yes sorry that I didn't make that clear
[26-Aug-2010 13:58:25] <rmatte> is this actually impairing your use of Zenoss in some way?
[26-Aug-2010 13:59:07] <ericenns> yes it is since a component is showing up when it shouldn't and I cant remove it because It errors when I select it
[26-Aug-2010 13:59:34] <ericenns> do you understand what I mean by component
[26-Aug-2010 13:59:39] <rmatte> yeh, on the left
[26-Aug-2010 13:59:46] <ericenns> ok yup
[26-Aug-2010 14:00:30] <rmatte> perhaps you should look at other zenpacks which add components such as Egor's WMI packs
[26-Aug-2010 14:00:38] <rmatte> when those are removed, the components are removed too
[26-Aug-2010 14:00:45] <rmatte> perhaps he actually coded a routine to remove them
[26-Aug-2010 14:01:15] <ericenns> that reminds me of his HPEVA one
[26-Aug-2010 14:01:23] <rmatte> is it only present for 1 device or the whole class?
[26-Aug-2010 14:01:48] <ericenns> just the one device has that component since it was modeled with an earlier zenpack before
[26-Aug-2010 14:01:51] <rmatte> like, I don't even see how it got bound to that device, I'd expect it to be bound to an entire class
[26-Aug-2010 14:02:04] <rmatte> hmmm
[26-Aug-2010 14:02:11] <ericenns> the relationship is bound to the entire class still
[26-Aug-2010 14:02:14] <rmatte> I'm out of ideas personally
[26-Aug-2010 14:02:26] <rmatte> post on the development forum
[26-Aug-2010 14:02:31] <rmatte> and maybe someone will know
[26-Aug-2010 14:02:45] <ericenns> I would but I cant figure out how to use the zenoss forums lol
[26-Aug-2010 14:03:48] <ericenns> or I haven't found them yet
[26-Aug-2010 14:04:05] <rmatte> community.zenoss.org
[26-Aug-2010 14:04:09] <rmatte> sign up for an account
[26-Aug-2010 14:04:14] <rmatte> then click the forums link on the top bar
[26-Aug-2010 14:04:17] <ericenns> I have an account
[26-Aug-2010 14:04:34] <rmatte> there is a huge forums link at the top
[26-Aug-2010 14:04:35] <rmatte> lol
[26-Aug-2010 14:04:50] <ericenns> ok seen that link but never figured out how to post
[26-Aug-2010 14:05:10] <rmatte> you're currently logged in?
[26-Aug-2010 14:05:28] <rmatte> see the "New" link in the top left corner
[26-Aug-2010 14:05:33] <rmatte> New -> Discussion
[26-Aug-2010 14:06:01] <rmatte> select zenoss-dev or zenoss-zenpacks as the forum
[26-Aug-2010 14:06:02] <ericenns> oh ok that makes sense thanks if I cant get it working i'll post
[26-Aug-2010 14:06:07] <rmatte> k
[26-Aug-2010 14:09:17] <chemist> is anybody using the Jabber/XMPP Bot zenpack in 3.0.1?
[26-Aug-2010 14:22:57] <mducharme> hrm
[26-Aug-2010 14:23:32] * mducharme looks at the switch labelled "gigabit aggrivation switch" and thinks he should not give labelling tasks to clerical workers
[26-Aug-2010 14:28:11] <Simon4> haahaha
[26-Aug-2010 14:40:58] <rmatte> lol
[26-Aug-2010 14:41:13] <rmatte> that's like our front line guys always performing smtpwalks
[26-Aug-2010 14:41:14] <rmatte> apparently
[26-Aug-2010 14:41:44] <rmatte> "This ticket is realted to ticket 2947532" or whatever
[26-Aug-2010 14:41:50] <rmatte> not sure exactly what realting is
[26-Aug-2010 14:41:55] <rmatte> relating on the other hand...
[26-Aug-2010 14:42:10] <willwh> hey guys - question
[26-Aug-2010 14:42:27] <willwh> if I were to do a fresh 3.0 install - can I drop in a db backup from an older version?
[26-Aug-2010 14:42:32] <willwh> presumably not
[26-Aug-2010 14:42:37] <Simon4> nope
[26-Aug-2010 14:42:50] <willwh> ok
[26-Aug-2010 14:44:25] <rmatte> yeh, the pre-upgrade zenpack does a lot of work on the db before the upgrade
[26-Aug-2010 14:44:29] <rmatte> so that definitely wouldn't work
[26-Aug-2010 14:44:47] <ericenns> if I unzip a zenpack how can I re eggify it
[26-Aug-2010 14:45:03] <cgibbons> well that pre-upgrade zenpack just makes it so the system is usable faster after an upgrade, it's just creating catalog
[26-Aug-2010 14:45:08] <rmatte> ericenns: just zip it back up and rename it to a .egg
[26-Aug-2010 14:45:22] <cgibbons> so i think you can run it after upgrading and as long as you wait for it to be done prior to using the UI
[26-Aug-2010 14:45:25] <ericenns> oh ok thanks
[26-Aug-2010 14:52:46] <ericenns> so you network guys I'm a comp sci student and am aiming towards network and security specialization should I get CompTIA certification before I graduate in a little over than a year?
[26-Aug-2010 14:53:57] <rmatte> honestly, certs are overrated
[26-Aug-2010 14:54:21] <ericenns> Ya my buddy said he was browsing and saw that they were recommended from his browses
[26-Aug-2010 14:54:34] <rmatte> you'd be better to get a CCNA or something worthwhile
[26-Aug-2010 14:55:03] <rmatte> CCSP as well
[26-Aug-2010 14:55:06] <chemist> or a job,even non paid, where you can prove your worth
[26-Aug-2010 14:55:23] <rmatte> yeh, I have zero certs, I just clawed my way up through various jobs
[26-Aug-2010 14:55:29] <rmatte> experience is gold on a resume
[26-Aug-2010 14:55:32] <rmatte> better than any certs
[26-Aug-2010 14:55:52] <ericenns> ok well right now i'm a co-op student who's job has been to setup a bunch of network monitoring so I have been implementing zenoss and such
[26-Aug-2010 14:55:55] <rmatte> I did the CCNA training, but didn't end up going for it
[26-Aug-2010 14:55:55] <aclark> ericenns: noooooooo, yeah the cisco certs are good but i would just get a good job with the CS degree (like the others say)
[26-Aug-2010 14:56:19] <ericenns> ok well I won't worry about the certs than
[26-Aug-2010 14:56:49] <aclark> ericenns: just generally kick ass and people will take notice ;-)
[26-Aug-2010 14:56:50] <ericenns> I'm doing a co-op thing with my degree so I'm thinking that experience should be good
[26-Aug-2010 14:56:50] <rmatte> I've seen people with a mountain of certs who know absolutely nothing lol
[26-Aug-2010 14:57:05] <rmatte> "I summon the vast powers of certification! Damn, that's all I remember!"
[26-Aug-2010 14:57:14] <ericenns> haha ok lol
[26-Aug-2010 14:57:23] <Simon4> the only people certs mean anything to are Recruiters because they don't know jack about the actual roles
[26-Aug-2010 14:57:33] <rmatte> yup
[26-Aug-2010 14:57:46] <rmatte> certs are great for scoring contracts, but I hate doing contract work
[26-Aug-2010 14:57:54] <ericenns> ahh i see
[26-Aug-2010 14:58:06] <Simon4> you can get around that anyway by calling the recruiters and actually talking to em
[26-Aug-2010 14:58:13] <rmatte> yeh
[26-Aug-2010 14:58:22] <Simon4> <-- filthy contractor :)
[26-Aug-2010 14:58:47] <rmatte> sometimes it's better not to have certs so that you can get your foot through the door in a lower end role
[26-Aug-2010 14:58:48] <Simon4> with... one cert to my name lol
[26-Aug-2010 14:58:59] <ericenns> oh ok
[26-Aug-2010 14:59:02] <rmatte> since companies see people with certs and instantly assume that they are going to be demanding more money
[26-Aug-2010 14:59:05] <ericenns> good advice
[26-Aug-2010 14:59:09] <rmatte> so they'll go with the guy who doesn't have any
[26-Aug-2010 14:59:10] <rmatte> lol
[26-Aug-2010 14:59:39] <rmatte> but yeh, that sounds like fun co-op
[26-Aug-2010 15:00:19] <ericenns> ya it's pretty good small lan very casual no having to help end users cause they know what there doing
[26-Aug-2010 15:00:29] <rmatte> cool
[26-Aug-2010 15:01:28] <ericenns> 8 month gig with 4 months in my job description pretty much was "Get the shit together so we get a good score on our TRA"
[26-Aug-2010 15:03:25] <rmatte> nice
[26-Aug-2010 15:31:14] <Orv> So - How long should it take to to "reset an IP address as the result of a DNS lookup"? (3.0.1)
[26-Aug-2010 15:31:50] <Orv> Been about 5 minutes now.. Wonder if it works...
[26-Aug-2010 15:37:10] <chemist> are transforms applied immediately after being saved or do I need to restart any daemons?
[26-Aug-2010 15:38:13] <Simon4> immediately in my experience
[26-Aug-2010 15:38:25] <Simon4> zenhub.log tends to have errors if there are any
[26-Aug-2010 15:38:37] <chemist> thnx Simon4
[26-Aug-2010 15:40:18] <chemist> if I turn the log level up, will it show me what the transform is doing?
[26-Aug-2010 15:42:02] <Simon4> hrm... not so much, I've only seen it log exceptions
[26-Aug-2010 15:42:14] * Simon4 isn't quite sure what happens if you put a "print" statement in a transform
[26-Aug-2010 15:43:10] <cgibbons> it would be displayed on zenhub's stdout
[26-Aug-2010 15:43:13] <SEJeff_work> So I've just setup a new server and installed zenoss 2.5.2 on it to test a 3.0 upgrade
[26-Aug-2010 15:43:34] <Simon4> cgibbons: where does zenhubs stdout go when it's started as a daemon?
[26-Aug-2010 15:43:41] <cgibbons> probably dev null
[26-Aug-2010 15:43:42] <SEJeff_work> Is the best way to do it (on the prod server) run zenbackup and then zenrestore on the test host?
[26-Aug-2010 15:43:45] <rmatte> Orv: hunh?
[26-Aug-2010 15:44:05] <rmatte> Orv: Zenoss doesn't automatically change IPs based on the hostname in my experience
[26-Aug-2010 15:44:08] <rmatte> you need to change it
[26-Aug-2010 15:44:22] <Simon4> rmatte: there's an option under "reset ip" to "use dns lookup"
[26-Aug-2010 15:44:29] <Simon4> I'm guessing that's what Orv is doing
[26-Aug-2010 15:44:35] <rmatte> ah
[26-Aug-2010 15:44:38] <rmatte> that must be new
[26-Aug-2010 15:44:41] * Simon4 would have hoped it only took as long as the dns lookup
[26-Aug-2010 15:44:52] <rmatte> it should change it pretty much instantly
[26-Aug-2010 15:44:57] <rmatte> dns lookups are quick lol
[26-Aug-2010 15:45:24] <Orv> It never did change; I ended up deleting the device and re-adding it.
[26-Aug-2010 15:45:31] <Orv> I verified the DNS lookup worked, too.
[26-Aug-2010 15:45:43] <SEJeff_work> Simon4, Can that option be set as a default?
[26-Aug-2010 15:45:54] <SEJeff_work> And how often does it run a dns lookup? We change ips around somewhat often
[26-Aug-2010 15:45:55] <Simon4> SEJeff_work: which option?
[26-Aug-2010 15:45:58] <Simon4> oh
[26-Aug-2010 15:46:03] <Simon4> urm... not that I know of
[26-Aug-2010 15:46:12] <SEJeff_work> Simon4, Is that a new 3.0 feature?
[26-Aug-2010 15:46:21] <Simon4> I saw it on 2.5.2 today, I'm sure of it
[26-Aug-2010 15:46:25] <SEJeff_work> I'll open an enterprise support rfe about it once we're on 3.0 :)
[26-Aug-2010 15:46:30] * Simon4 checks it
[26-Aug-2010 15:46:49] <rmatte> If it checks automatically on a regular basis I'll be surprised
[26-Aug-2010 15:47:02] <Simon4> yeah, that bit I'm sure is a no
[26-Aug-2010 15:47:09] <rmatte> yeh
[26-Aug-2010 15:47:10] <SEJeff_work> rmatte, It makes sense to do something like that every time it is remodelled
[26-Aug-2010 15:47:14] <Simon4> you could possibly script it
[26-Aug-2010 15:47:15] <SEJeff_work> That is what, once every 6 hours by default?
[26-Aug-2010 15:47:41] <Simon4> right, manage-> reset IP in 2.5.2 has the option to "leave blank to use DNS"
[26-Aug-2010 15:47:43] <rmatte> SEJeff_work: well yeh, the problem is that Zenoss monitors based on the IP, not the hostname, so it can't remodel in the first place if the IP has changed
[26-Aug-2010 15:47:44] <Simon4> just for the record :)
[26-Aug-2010 15:48:10] <rmatte> SEJeff_work: I guess it would have to check it at the start of the remodel
[26-Aug-2010 15:48:18] <rmatte> but yeh, that would be good
[26-Aug-2010 15:48:19] <SEJeff_work> Simon4, Ah so that should be scriptable from the dmd
[26-Aug-2010 15:48:21] <Simon4> so there must be an api-style call somewhere that does that, so you could probably script it somehow
[26-Aug-2010 15:48:31] <SEJeff_work> Yeah should be easy to find in the html source code
[26-Aug-2010 15:48:33] <Simon4> SEJeff_work: I would assume so, could take some finding :)
[26-Aug-2010 15:48:36] <SEJeff_work> At least wher to poke around
[26-Aug-2010 15:50:02] <SEJeff_work> Back to my original question, "What is the best way to backup a prod zenoss instance and then restore into a dev zenoss instance"?
[26-Aug-2010 15:50:14] <SEJeff_work> I'm trying to do a test 2.5.2 --> 3.0 upgrade
[26-Aug-2010 15:51:48] <Simon4> SEJeff_work: zenbackup/zenrestore + tar of $ZENHOME/Products + tar of $ZENHOME/bin has worked just fine for me
[26-Aug-2010 15:51:56] <SEJeff_work> Simon4, Thankyou
[26-Aug-2010 15:52:00] <Simon4> the last two get any remaining zenpack bits strewn about the place
[26-Aug-2010 15:52:10] <SEJeff_work> Luckily we don't have a lot of those
[26-Aug-2010 15:52:18] <SEJeff_work> Just a bunch of crazy transforms and device templates
[26-Aug-2010 15:52:30] <Simon4> they're all in the zopedb, so zenbackup will catch them
[26-Aug-2010 15:52:56] <Simon4> if you want to do things in a more lightweight manner, --no-events-db and --no-perf-data to zenbackup won't affect your upgrade experience
[26-Aug-2010 15:53:20] <SEJeff_work> That will save a few GB. Thanks!
[26-Aug-2010 15:53:23] <ericenns> anyone use removeRelation in zendmd before
[26-Aug-2010 16:04:40] <ericenns> cgibbons: do you know how to do a component searchin zenoss
[26-Aug-2010 16:15:05] <SEJeff_work> So I ran zenbackup, zenrestore, then copied over ${ZENHOME}/{Products,bin}
[26-Aug-2010 16:15:29] <SEJeff_work> zope will not start. Trying zeoctl restart doesn't work and nothing is listening on port 8080
[26-Aug-2010 17:47:23] <SEJeff_work> So if you restore an old zenoss install to a new zenoss install and exclude the db, it says "Unable to communicate with server" on the new install's web ui
[26-Aug-2010 17:47:35] <SEJeff_work> How do you fix that? I left a blank db root password for zenoss
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[27-Aug-2010 08:11:05] <ericenns> hey anybody here that can answer a zenpack development related question
[27-Aug-2010 08:12:57] <ericenns> nevermind got it figured out
[27-Aug-2010 08:14:33] <rmatte> I like people who answer their own questions
[27-Aug-2010 08:14:34] <rmatte> lol
[27-Aug-2010 08:14:49] <fragfutter> within 60 seconds
[27-Aug-2010 08:15:30] <Simon4> that's some quick work
[27-Aug-2010 08:15:38] <Simon4> ericenns: want to solve my problems also? :)
[27-Aug-2010 08:15:49] <ericenns> haha ya well it was a quick mistake too
[27-Aug-2010 08:16:28] <ashp> any time i ask a question on irc
[27-Aug-2010 08:16:36] <ashp> i immediately figure out the solution within 30 seconds of hitting enter
[27-Aug-2010 08:16:37] <ericenns> Simon4: haha sure lol ;)
[27-Aug-2010 08:19:55] <ericenns> I think my mistake had more reciprocal damage then I thought dang
[27-Aug-2010 08:19:56] <Simon4> ashp: yeah, I think it's a common thing
[27-Aug-2010 08:21:19] <ericenns> I accidentally deleted my ZenPack folder on my zenoss developement copy, but managed to have a backup of my zenpacks
[27-Aug-2010 08:22:55] <ashp> Simon4: it's the act of having to explain it properly :)
[27-Aug-2010 08:23:03] <ashp> Simon4: sometimes I write myself an email, now, and explain my problem to myself
[27-Aug-2010 08:23:11] <Simon4> ashp: cunning :)
[27-Aug-2010 08:23:48] <ashp> it sounds weird but it definitely works :)
[27-Aug-2010 08:28:41] <ericenns> anyone know how to remove a stale device search record in zenoss
[27-Aug-2010 08:31:52] <ericenns> I figured it out if anyone ever has that error point them to me lol
[27-Aug-2010 08:35:48] <rmatte> I tend to talk myself through problems on IRC and then end it with "Damn, I'm an idiot, got it"
[27-Aug-2010 08:38:02] <aclark> rmatte: ditto!
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[27-Aug-2010 08:45:53] <rmatte> mray: good morning
[27-Aug-2010 08:46:44] <ericenns> rmatte: you just saved me, thx
[27-Aug-2010 08:47:19] <ericenns> at least for one problem
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[27-Aug-2010 08:49:18] <ericenns> anyone ever encounter something similar to this http://pastebin.com/bKDhHWCj
[27-Aug-2010 08:49:32] <mray> morning
[27-Aug-2010 08:54:23] <rmatte> ericenns: that's a pretty general python error, I'd wager you've made a coding mistake somewhere
[27-Aug-2010 08:54:42] <ericenns> that error is when I try to do a reindex() in zendmd
[27-Aug-2010 08:54:58] <rmatte> oh
[27-Aug-2010 08:55:03] <rmatte> hmm
[27-Aug-2010 08:55:16] <rmatte> have you tried restarting Zenoss then trying again?
[27-Aug-2010 08:55:33] <ericenns> yup to no avial
[27-Aug-2010 08:55:45] <rmatte> are you doing zenpack development on your production box?
[27-Aug-2010 08:56:05] <rmatte> you really should have a vm setup, that way you can just revert back to a snapshot when things mess up
[27-Aug-2010 08:56:13] <rmatte> otherwise you spend 50% of your time fixing what you break
[27-Aug-2010 08:56:21] <ericenns> this is on a developmental box this all resulted because I accidentally deleted the ZenPack directory
[27-Aug-2010 08:56:38] <rmatte> haha
[27-Aug-2010 08:56:49] <ericenns> my devel copy is a vm but I have not taken any snapshots i'm using vmware player
[27-Aug-2010 08:56:54] <rmatte> If you deleted the ZenPack directory you're kind of screwed
[27-Aug-2010 08:57:12] <rmatte> vmware player supports snapshots does it not?
[27-Aug-2010 08:57:13] <ericenns> ya I tried reinstalling my zenpacks and that worked out
[27-Aug-2010 08:57:28] <ericenns> you need workstation for that
[27-Aug-2010 08:57:41] <rmatte> the ZenPacks installed but you're probably missing a bunch of Zenoss system files that were in the root of that directory
[27-Aug-2010 08:57:52] <rmatte> ah
[27-Aug-2010 08:57:55] <ericenns> hmm maybe a copy from production then
[27-Aug-2010 08:58:20] <rmatte> can I make a suggestion?
[27-Aug-2010 08:58:21] <ericenns> nah nothing import there
[27-Aug-2010 08:58:30] <ericenns> sure
[27-Aug-2010 08:58:32] <rmatte> setup a new lab box, but use virtualbox instead of vmware player
[27-Aug-2010 08:58:38] <rmatte> it's free and does support snapshots
[27-Aug-2010 08:58:48] <rmatte> it'll save you a lot of time overall
[27-Aug-2010 08:59:08] <rmatte> install ubuntu on it, then download the stack installer, run it, and off you go
[27-Aug-2010 08:59:12] <rmatte> very easy
[27-Aug-2010 08:59:21] <ericenns> im a cent os man but I could do that
[27-Aug-2010 08:59:26] <rmatte> k, CentOS works too
[27-Aug-2010 08:59:30] <rmatte> whatever you prefer
[27-Aug-2010 08:59:41] <rmatte> if you go with CentOS you'll obviously grab the RPMs instead of the stack
[27-Aug-2010 09:00:04] <mray> stack works on CentOS and RHEL too
[27-Aug-2010 09:00:04] <rmatte> should take you under an hour to get it all setup again in virtualbox
[27-Aug-2010 09:00:19] <SEJeff_work> So I ran zenrestore on a fresh install of zenoss and everything is almost good
[27-Aug-2010 09:00:23] <rmatte> mray: well, I'd imagine it works on any flavour of Linux
[27-Aug-2010 09:00:30] <ericenns> i prefer rpm's
[27-Aug-2010 09:00:32] <SEJeff_work> But it says it can't contact the server so I'm assuming it needs the mysql info
[27-Aug-2010 09:00:32] <rmatte> mray: but if the RPMs are there, might as well use them lol
[27-Aug-2010 09:00:51] <rmatte> hmmm, Zenoss on lindows, now there would be some blasphemy
[27-Aug-2010 09:00:57] <rmatte> :)
[27-Aug-2010 09:01:03] <mray> if you're puppet, cobbler and virtual box inclined, rocket has some stuff for doing automatic deploys
[27-Aug-2010 09:01:12] <SEJeff_work> I then read that zenrestore needs to be given db access info if you skip the db stuff with zenbackup
[27-Aug-2010 09:01:22] <mray> http://github.com/eedgar/puppet-master
[27-Aug-2010 09:01:24] <SEJeff_work> How can I tell the dev zenoss install the the password is blank?
[27-Aug-2010 09:01:41] <SEJeff_work> I'm trying to test upgrading to zenoss 3.0 and have had 0 love so far
[27-Aug-2010 09:01:44] <rmatte> SEJeff_work: are you able to login to it?
[27-Aug-2010 09:01:54] <SEJeff_work> rmatte, Yup
[27-Aug-2010 09:02:00] <rmatte> 3.0 interface?
[27-Aug-2010 09:02:11] <SEJeff_work> rmatte, No 2.5.2
[27-Aug-2010 09:02:14] <rmatte> k
[27-Aug-2010 09:02:16] <SEJeff_work> I'm staging a 3.0 upgrade
[27-Aug-2010 09:02:31] <SEJeff_work> Unable to connect to the MySQL server.
[27-Aug-2010 09:02:32] <rmatte> setting MySQL info is easy...
[27-Aug-2010 09:02:37] <SEJeff_work> On the Locations dashboard
[27-Aug-2010 09:02:42] <rmatte> Event Manager on the left
[27-Aug-2010 09:02:48] <SEJeff_work> ok
[27-Aug-2010 09:02:56] <rmatte> the rest is self explanatory
[27-Aug-2010 09:03:00] <SEJeff_work> Thankyou
[27-Aug-2010 09:03:02] <rmatte> np
[27-Aug-2010 09:03:23] <SEJeff_work> And we are in business. Thanks sir
[27-Aug-2010 09:03:28] <rmatte> :)
[27-Aug-2010 09:04:03] <SEJeff_work> Several of the enterprise zenpacks failed to install...
[27-Aug-2010 09:04:10] <SEJeff_work> Is support the best way to get that resolved?
[27-Aug-2010 09:04:19] <mray> SEJeff_work: yeah
[27-Aug-2010 09:06:17] <ericenns> rmatte: I'm going to try a zenoss reinstall before an environment reinstall
[27-Aug-2010 09:08:27] <rmatte> ericenns: yeh but that doesn't solve your lack of snapshots problem
[27-Aug-2010 09:08:41] <rmatte> which in the end is going to cost you more time than just reinstalling the environment
[27-Aug-2010 09:08:42] <rmatte> up to you
[27-Aug-2010 09:09:06] <ericenns> I will get workstation installed next week when my supervisor is back who has licences
[27-Aug-2010 09:09:07] <rmatte> it's 1 environment reinstall now, or 1 Zenoss install now and lord knows how many later
[27-Aug-2010 09:09:16] <rmatte> k
[27-Aug-2010 09:09:34] <rmatte> I have a vmware workstation license, I never use it though because I can't stand the linux version of vmware workstation
[27-Aug-2010 09:09:38] <rmatte> it's the buggiest pos ever
[27-Aug-2010 09:10:23] <ericenns> oh i see ya the whole stealing your meta keys
[27-Aug-2010 09:10:29] <rmatte> yeh
[27-Aug-2010 09:10:33] <rmatte> among other things
[27-Aug-2010 09:10:39] <SEJeff_work> rmatte, Use virtualbox
[27-Aug-2010 09:10:45] <rmatte> SEJeff_work: I do
[27-Aug-2010 09:10:48] <rmatte> both at home and at work
[27-Aug-2010 09:10:55] <SEJeff_work> Or virtual-manager / kvm if that floats your boat
[27-Aug-2010 09:11:02] <rmatte> nah, virtualbox is excellent
[27-Aug-2010 09:11:07] <ericenns> hmm well maybe I will import my vm into virtualbox
[27-Aug-2010 09:11:49] <rmatte> virtualbox doesn't have the same graphical performance as vmware workstation, but I could care less about that, I'm not looking to play games or watch movies in my vm
[27-Aug-2010 09:11:50] <rmatte> lol
[27-Aug-2010 09:13:04] <SEJeff_work> That will change soon enough
[27-Aug-2010 09:13:17] <rmatte> yeh
[27-Aug-2010 09:13:43] <SEJeff_work> Even sooner on Linux. With vmware's 3d accelerated xdrivers making it in upstream xorg, kvm is looking to use them as well.
[27-Aug-2010 09:13:50] <rmatte> I also tested jailbreaking an iPhone in vmware workstation, not possible. Then I tried in virtualbox, worked fine.
[27-Aug-2010 09:13:59] <rmatte> :)
[27-Aug-2010 09:14:03] <SEJeff_work> Nice
[27-Aug-2010 09:14:17] <SEJeff_work> Have you tried upgrading to 4.0.2 after jailbreaking?
[27-Aug-2010 09:14:27] <SEJeff_work> I'd like to jailbreak and then close the vulnerability if possible
[27-Aug-2010 09:14:30] <rmatte> I have a gen 1 iphone still, I'm oldschool
[27-Aug-2010 09:14:34] <rmatte> so not 4.x for me
[27-Aug-2010 09:14:36] <rmatte> no*
[27-Aug-2010 09:14:38] <SEJeff_work> Oh wow
[27-Aug-2010 09:14:41] <mray> rmatte: that's smart
[27-Aug-2010 09:14:44] <SEJeff_work> You should be up for upgrade :)
[27-Aug-2010 09:14:58] <rmatte> SEJeff_work: I bought it from the US before it was available in Canada
[27-Aug-2010 09:15:00] <mray> I've heard IOS 4.0 blows on 1st and 2nd gen iphones
[27-Aug-2010 09:15:05] <rmatte> SEJeff_work: so I'd have to buy a new one
[27-Aug-2010 09:15:26] <rmatte> SEJeff_work: If the iPhone 4 didn't have that stupid antenna problem I would have snatched one up
[27-Aug-2010 09:15:39] <SEJeff_work> rmatte, The antenna problem is overrated
[27-Aug-2010 09:15:49] <SEJeff_work> I've not got a case or bumper or anyhing and it is fine for me.
[27-Aug-2010 09:15:58] <rmatte> mray: yeh, it won't even install on first gen phones from what I've heard
[27-Aug-2010 09:16:11] <rmatte> mray: though someone here at work has it running on her 3g and it works fine
[27-Aug-2010 09:16:26] <rmatte> SEJeff_work: hmmm
[27-Aug-2010 09:16:36] * Simon4 has no issues with the antenna problem
[27-Aug-2010 09:16:38] <rmatte> I might consider it then
[27-Aug-2010 09:16:58] <mray> when my 3G dies I'll probably switch over to my unlocked Nexus One
[27-Aug-2010 09:17:14] <rmatte> 4.0 was jailbreakable via jailbreakme.com...
[27-Aug-2010 09:17:18] <rmatte> not sure if it still is or not
[27-Aug-2010 09:17:23] <Simon4> rmatte: that was through the PDF vuln
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[27-Aug-2010 09:17:27] <rmatte> yup
[27-Aug-2010 09:17:28] <Simon4> which you don't want to leave open
[27-Aug-2010 09:17:42] <rmatte> true
[27-Aug-2010 09:18:09] <rmatte> when geohot releases his pwn4life hack that he's been talking about it'll be nice
[27-Aug-2010 09:18:19] <mray> fwiw, OpenStack added support for VirtualBox 2 weeks ago
[27-Aug-2010 09:19:14] <mray> I've been using VMware Fusion, but it's a hog
[27-Aug-2010 09:19:55] <ashp> i'm still bitter work rejected my request for 8G so I can run vm's properly
[27-Aug-2010 09:19:59] <ashp> and then took away my ssd they bought me :(
[27-Aug-2010 09:20:06] <mray> ashp: that sucks
[27-Aug-2010 09:20:11] <ashp> they ordered me a 256G ssd, let me install on it then came and said 'actually it's too expensive, give it back'
[27-Aug-2010 09:20:14] <rmatte> ashp: I only have 2GB in this workstation and it's painful
[27-Aug-2010 09:20:16] <mray> ashp: I'm rolling with 4 gigs, which means 1 VM
[27-Aug-2010 09:20:18] <SEJeff_work> rmatte, Thats correct. IOS4 on a 3G is bad. Is slows down performance. IOS4 on a 3gs is better, but still crashes a lot
[27-Aug-2010 09:20:23] <rmatte> ashp: but I need windows for vmware client
[27-Aug-2010 09:20:24] <SEJeff_work> IOS4 on an iPwn4 is great
[27-Aug-2010 09:20:26] <ashp> yeah, I'll have 4G but 8G would have been a hell of a lot nicer
[27-Aug-2010 09:20:32] <ashp> rmatte: ouch, 2G :/
[27-Aug-2010 09:20:33] <rmatte> ashp: and outlook is nice when using exchange
[27-Aug-2010 09:20:46] <rmatte> I have 4GB at home, so no problem there
[27-Aug-2010 09:20:48] <ashp> yeah, I'll probably setup bootcamp or at least parallels as i think i have a license for that
[27-Aug-2010 09:21:00] <ashp> my plan is to wait a week or two then just order 8G of ram and the SSD directly
[27-Aug-2010 09:21:05] <ashp> without involving the purchasing department ;)
[27-Aug-2010 09:21:15] <rmatte> I need to check if there are actually ram slots free in this thing
[27-Aug-2010 09:21:21] <rmatte> if there are then I'll just request another stick
[27-Aug-2010 09:21:47] <rmatte> then again I have a brand new rackmount server sitting next to me that just may dissapear by being bolted to the bottom of my desk
[27-Aug-2010 09:21:48] <rmatte> >:)
[27-Aug-2010 09:22:02] <ashp> nice :)
[27-Aug-2010 09:22:23] <rmatte> "where'd that server go?" "no idea" "what's that humming coming from under your desk?" "nothing"
[27-Aug-2010 09:22:34] <SEJeff_work> rmatte, Oh you need a heater?
[27-Aug-2010 09:22:40] <rmatte> lol
[27-Aug-2010 09:22:57] <SEJeff_work> Make sure to have proper hot and cool isles
[27-Aug-2010 09:23:15] <rmatte> well, these servers are going off to some client sites
[27-Aug-2010 09:23:16] <ericenns> man do I ever feel lucky I got 8GB ram and Quad Core Xeon
[27-Aug-2010 09:23:24] <rmatte> I'm configuring them as test endpoints for voip
[27-Aug-2010 09:23:39] <rmatte> ericenns: bah you
[27-Aug-2010 09:23:56] <rmatte> I have a Dell Optiplex GX620
[27-Aug-2010 09:24:07] <rmatte> it's like 4 years old
[27-Aug-2010 09:24:11] <ericenns> Mines a Dell Precision T7400
[27-Aug-2010 09:24:32] <SEJeff_work> Nice
[27-Aug-2010 09:24:40] <ericenns> with dual 24inch screens
[27-Aug-2010 09:25:14] <SEJeff_work> ericenns, It isn't nice to make people jealous: http://www.digitalprognosis.com/pics/my-work-setup.jpg
[27-Aug-2010 09:25:19] <SEJeff_work> quad 40" :)
[27-Aug-2010 09:25:24] <SEJeff_work> errr quad 30"
[27-Aug-2010 09:25:59] <ericenns> haha well where I work my machine is punny just so you know one guy has 24GB Ram and bluray
[27-Aug-2010 09:26:18] <SEJeff_work> Oh man it would be nice if that was mine! It is my work desktop
[27-Aug-2010 09:27:09] <rmatte> yeh, I'd kill for that setup
[27-Aug-2010 09:27:21] <rmatte> 30" monitors cost like $1200 each too
[27-Aug-2010 09:27:32] <rmatte> so that's about $5000 of monitors right there
[27-Aug-2010 09:27:32] <ericenns> SEJeff_work: thats your work setup seems similar to my bosses except he has quad 24's
[27-Aug-2010 09:27:41] <ashp> :(
[27-Aug-2010 09:27:49] <ashp> I have a shitty 22" acer and I had to fistfight to get it
[27-Aug-2010 09:27:55] <ashp> it's the best monitor in the department
[27-Aug-2010 09:27:59] <rmatte> I have 2 19" dell monitors
[27-Aug-2010 09:28:06] <rmatte> that's it that's all
[27-Aug-2010 09:28:06] <ashp> SEJeff_work: Where are you working and are you hiring near boston ;)
[27-Aug-2010 09:28:09] <SEJeff_work> rmatte, And 2 Dell T5400 desktops.
[27-Aug-2010 09:28:15] <SEJeff_work> A stealth financial company
[27-Aug-2010 09:28:18] <ashp> Ahhhhh
[27-Aug-2010 09:28:19] <SEJeff_work> Thats all :)
[27-Aug-2010 09:28:26] <ashp> Excellent, financial company == good salaries!
[27-Aug-2010 09:28:30] <ashp> Better than academia, that's for sure
[27-Aug-2010 09:28:33] <rmatte> SEJeff_work: there's only 1 flaw in that desktop setup
[27-Aug-2010 09:28:46] <SEJeff_work> rmatte, No, that was before I setup synergy
[27-Aug-2010 09:28:52] <rmatte> SEJeff_work: 2 keyboards and 2 mice, he's obviously never heard of digital swivel systems
[27-Aug-2010 09:29:29] <rmatte> i.e: synergy
[27-Aug-2010 09:29:32] <SEJeff_work> I whacked Fedora on the right desktop and they are both ubuntu now. synergy means I only use 1 kbd + mouse
[27-Aug-2010 09:29:35] <SEJeff_work> <SEJeff_work> rmatte, No, that was before I setup synergy
[27-Aug-2010 09:29:46] <rmatte> ah
[27-Aug-2010 09:29:55] <SEJeff_work> Thats the kind of setup you dream of so the first thing I wanted to do was take a pic :)
[27-Aug-2010 09:30:02] <rmatte> obviously
[27-Aug-2010 09:30:25] <rmatte> what's your justification for needing that many 30" monitors?
[27-Aug-2010 09:30:36] <SEJeff_work> rmatte, I can't talk about my company. seriously
[27-Aug-2010 09:30:40] <rmatte> and 2 workstations
[27-Aug-2010 09:30:43] <SEJeff_work> But it is justified. Most people have that many or more
[27-Aug-2010 09:30:51] <rmatte> ah
[27-Aug-2010 09:31:18] <SEJeff_work> But they give us fun problems to solve
[27-Aug-2010 09:34:39] <rmatte> "What is 1 + 1? Go!"
[27-Aug-2010 09:34:45] <rmatte> :P
[27-Aug-2010 09:35:27] <rmatte> well, I've actually had Zenoss running for 65 days straight on one of my servers
[27-Aug-2010 09:35:29] <rmatte> new record for me
[27-Aug-2010 09:35:39] <rmatte> 2.5 is massively more stable than 2.4 was
[27-Aug-2010 09:35:58] <SEJeff_work> Nice
[27-Aug-2010 09:36:12] <SEJeff_work> We take zenoss down a lot, but our main zenoss server has an uptime of 688 days. Yay linux
[27-Aug-2010 09:37:02] <mray> so I started digging into the call home data for those who are interested. 91% Linux, 8.5% OSX and a small number of FreeBSD and Solaris boxes
[27-Aug-2010 09:37:30] <rmatte> I figured it would be around that
[27-Aug-2010 09:37:54] <mray> about 30% 64-bit
[27-Aug-2010 09:37:55] <rmatte> You'd probably have more FreeBSD users if it wasn't as painful as pulling teeth to install it on FreeBSD
[27-Aug-2010 09:37:56] <rmatte> :)
[27-Aug-2010 09:38:21] <rmatte> I thought there would be more 64bit than that
[27-Aug-2010 09:38:24] <mray> rmatte: there are 4X the FreeBSD users as Solaris users ;)
[27-Aug-2010 09:38:28] <SEJeff_work> mray, I found that code and it scared me a bit.
[27-Aug-2010 09:38:37] <rmatte> mray: that I wouldn't doubt, Solaris is a nightmare
[27-Aug-2010 09:39:24] <SEJeff_work> UpdateCheck.py
[27-Aug-2010 09:39:38] <fragfutter> . o O (four 30", but still the same shitty dell keyboard and mice)
[27-Aug-2010 09:40:02] <SEJeff_work> fragfutter, Microsoft Ergo Natural 4000 keyboard actually
[27-Aug-2010 09:40:29] <rmatte> I never buy keyboard or mice branded by microsoft
[27-Aug-2010 09:40:35] <rmatte> they always end up being crap
[27-Aug-2010 09:40:46] <SEJeff_work> If you get RSI you would. It is the best keyboard on the market
[27-Aug-2010 09:40:50] <SEJeff_work> And I breathe linux
[27-Aug-2010 09:41:02] <rmatte> I'm a logitech guy when it comes to that stuff
[27-Aug-2010 09:41:13] <rmatte> I also like the old IBM keyboards
[27-Aug-2010 09:41:32] <mray> SEJeff_work: I've never really cared for their keyboards or mice, I've got a big loud Belkin ergonomic keyboard
[27-Aug-2010 09:41:42] <mray> and a Kensington trackball
[27-Aug-2010 09:41:45] <SEJeff_work> I went from having pains in my wrists to having no pain at all just by using a Microsoft keyboard. All of my old keyboards went in the trash after that
[27-Aug-2010 09:41:52] <rmatte> yeh, ergonomic is another thing I can't stand...
[27-Aug-2010 09:42:04] <mray> SEJeff_work: I lost the pain going to an ergo keyboard too
[27-Aug-2010 09:42:07] <SEJeff_work> But you'd learn to love it if you couldn't type due to rsi
[27-Aug-2010 09:42:12] <SEJeff_work> mray, Yup
[27-Aug-2010 09:42:12] <mray> exactly
[27-Aug-2010 09:42:16] <rmatte> my typing style isn't a proper typing style, I just sub-conciously know where all of the keys are in relation to each other on the keyboard
[27-Aug-2010 09:42:23] <rmatte> but I can't do that with an ergo keyboard
[27-Aug-2010 09:42:38] <SEJeff_work> so learn :)
[27-Aug-2010 09:42:47] <mray> heh, my keyboard is so worn the keys are worn off
[27-Aug-2010 09:43:11] <rmatte> Yeh, on my home keyboard there are a few keys completely worn off
[27-Aug-2010 09:43:13] <rmatte> like the A key
[27-Aug-2010 09:43:21] <rmatte> it's almost gone on my work keyboard too
[27-Aug-2010 09:43:33] <ericenns> is virtual box freely available to enterprise
[27-Aug-2010 09:43:47] <cgibbons> I had RSI pretty bad for a few years, until I stopped playing games, that pretty much solved it. :)
[27-Aug-2010 09:43:48] <fragfutter> ericenns: you can use it.
[27-Aug-2010 09:43:53] <fragfutter> ericenns: you can't roll it out
[27-Aug-2010 09:43:54] <cgibbons> click cclick clickclickclicklciclcick click
[27-Aug-2010 09:44:14] <fragfutter> cgibbons: autofire on foot switch
[27-Aug-2010 09:44:21] <fragfutter> just kidding
[27-Aug-2010 09:45:04] <ericenns> fragfutter: thanks just saw that in the licencse
[27-Aug-2010 09:46:43] <rmatte> ericenns: it's freely available for any use as far as I'm aware
[27-Aug-2010 09:46:47] <rmatte> gpl license I believe
[27-Aug-2010 09:46:53] <rmatte> the open source version is anyways
[27-Aug-2010 09:47:03] <rmatte> there's also a closed source version, but you don't need that
[27-Aug-2010 09:47:22] <ericenns> I'm covered by personal use
[27-Aug-2010 09:47:31] <fragfutter> usb
[27-Aug-2010 09:47:31] <rmatte> yeh
[27-Aug-2010 09:47:39] <rmatte> the closed source supports usb
[27-Aug-2010 09:47:43] <rmatte> that's the only difference
[27-Aug-2010 09:47:58] <ericenns> oh i see
[27-Aug-2010 09:49:39] <fragfutter> back to the screen where it wanted to install a server this morning, *click*
[27-Aug-2010 09:53:33] <cgibbons> I think I need to make a rule not to sign-on to IRC unless I'm going to actually be able to pay attention to it.
[27-Aug-2010 09:54:02] <fragfutter> cgibbons: missing all the fun reading jokes in the backlock
[27-Aug-2010 09:54:30] <cgibbons> more like all the questions I get asked and don't see/disappear
[27-Aug-2010 09:57:08] <cgibbons> unless they're from ryan, then i just ignore those
[27-Aug-2010 09:57:12] <mray> cgibbons: your IRC client doesn't have unlimited buffer?
[27-Aug-2010 09:57:20] <cgibbons> i dunno, does it?
[27-Aug-2010 09:57:29] <Simon4> don't admit to it if it does
[27-Aug-2010 09:57:40] <cgibbons> i haven't thought very deeply about it :)
[27-Aug-2010 09:58:01] <mray> mine does… I've got 2.5 years of IRC logs
[27-Aug-2010 09:58:16] <mray> off to a meeting
[27-Aug-2010 09:59:24] <cgibbons> woot iteration demo time
[27-Aug-2010 09:59:35] <Simon4> cgibbons: woot iteration demo time
[27-Aug-2010 09:59:35] <Simon4> cgibbons: woot iteration demo time
[27-Aug-2010 09:59:36] <Simon4> cgibbons: woot iteration demo time
[27-Aug-2010 09:59:37] <Simon4> cgibbons: woot iteration demo time
[27-Aug-2010 10:00:08] * Simon4 iterates, badly
[27-Aug-2010 10:00:40] <SEJeff_work> How does one escalate a case?
[27-Aug-2010 10:01:01] <fragfutter> kill -9 $(pidof Simon4)
[27-Aug-2010 10:01:09] <Simon4> :)
[27-Aug-2010 10:01:21] <SEJeff_work> But thats not fun
[27-Aug-2010 10:01:35] <fragfutter> SEJeff_work: msg cgibbons (if he pays attention ;))
[27-Aug-2010 10:01:41] <fragfutter> SEJeff_work: no idea actually
[27-Aug-2010 10:02:02] <SEJeff_work> I'm just trying to get an update on a case with no response in about 12 days
[27-Aug-2010 10:02:08] <SEJeff_work> And management is bugging me about it :/
[27-Aug-2010 10:03:08] <cgibbons> which case, Jeff? normally support manager really stays on top of cases to keep them from getting stale but I can check up on it
[27-Aug-2010 10:03:17] <cgibbons> and I'm on the last day of my L3 rotation so it works out
[27-Aug-2010 10:03:28] <SEJeff_work> cgibbons, 12917
[27-Aug-2010 10:03:30] <SEJeff_work> Thanks!
[27-Aug-2010 10:03:32] <cgibbons> ok lookin
[27-Aug-2010 10:03:48] <cgibbons> if I don't get answer in the next hour be patient - demo meeting
[27-Aug-2010 10:04:00] <Simon4> hmm, it seems there's a lack of zenoss cmd installed software modeller plugin, am i correct?
[27-Aug-2010 10:04:15] <SEJeff_work> cgibbons, Oh thats fine, I've been patient and still am. If it isn't fixed thats ok, I just need an update from you guys for management to stop hounding me :)
[27-Aug-2010 10:04:25] <cgibbons> oh, Windows! no wonder
[27-Aug-2010 10:04:32] <cgibbons> there's a filter that makes everyone ignore those
[27-Aug-2010 10:04:33] <cgibbons> (kidding)
[27-Aug-2010 10:04:53] * SEJeff_work laughs at Simon4's cheesy iteration joke
[27-Aug-2010 10:04:54] <cgibbons> ok I remember being asked about this case hmmm
[27-Aug-2010 10:04:54] <SEJeff_work> no worris
[27-Aug-2010 10:04:57] <SEJeff_work> *worries
[27-Aug-2010 10:05:15] * fragfutter wonders if it is a bad sign, that the download of the iso took shorter then copying it to a different disk.
[27-Aug-2010 10:05:21] <SEJeff_work> The gist is that you provided us with a script to setup a permissioned windows user so we don't have to give zenoss domain admin privs
[27-Aug-2010 10:05:25] <ashp> a dumb question, but I'm too sick to think about this hard
[27-Aug-2010 10:05:32] <ashp> is there a flag to zenmodeler to easily shove the output it gives into a file
[27-Aug-2010 10:05:41] <SEJeff_work> Our security policy won't let us give zenoss domain admin
[27-Aug-2010 10:05:41] <ashp> as they want a -v10 -d from me at support but it's a pain to cut and paste :)
[27-Aug-2010 10:05:46] <cgibbons> okay yeah and the LDAP errors are a red herring as far as the Windows issue is concerned, despite them getting in the way of the logs
[27-Aug-2010 10:05:49] <fragfutter> ashp: > log.log 2>&1
[27-Aug-2010 10:05:56] <ashp> oh i can just get it that way, alright, that'll do
[27-Aug-2010 10:06:27] <SEJeff_work> ashp, You can also use logsave like this: logsave zenmodel-debug.log somecommandhere -v10 ...
[27-Aug-2010 10:07:31] <fragfutter> SEJeff_work: what the heck? who invented this? there are pipes for such things
[27-Aug-2010 10:07:51] <SEJeff_work> fragfutter, It is for saving messages before the filesystems are all mounted
[27-Aug-2010 10:07:54] <ashp> wow, i've never seen logsave before
[27-Aug-2010 10:07:56] <SEJeff_work> The initrd uses it
[27-Aug-2010 10:08:03] <ashp> how on earth have i missed that
[27-Aug-2010 10:08:11] * Simon4 hadn't met logsave either
[27-Aug-2010 10:08:17] <SEJeff_work> If you've ever ripped open the scripts in an initrd and changed them for your own nefarious deeds you'd have seen it
[27-Aug-2010 10:08:38] <SEJeff_work> It saves in memory until disks are available to dump logs to
[27-Aug-2010 10:08:41] <rmatte> killall -9 fragfutter
[27-Aug-2010 10:08:51] <fragfutter> pid <fragfutter> unknown
[27-Aug-2010 10:08:56] <rmatte> lol
[27-Aug-2010 10:09:03] <rmatte> don't need the pid with killall
[27-Aug-2010 10:09:17] <fragfutter> oh, right
[27-Aug-2010 10:09:23] <fragfutter> slay?
[27-Aug-2010 10:09:32] <SEJeff_work> rmatte, killall on solaris... nuff said
[27-Aug-2010 10:09:33] <rmatte> ?
[27-Aug-2010 10:09:36] <SEJeff_work> It isn't the same as on Linux
[27-Aug-2010 10:09:41] <rmatte> ah
[27-Aug-2010 10:09:46] <Simon4> killall on solaris does exactly what it says on the tin
[27-Aug-2010 10:09:53] <rmatte> yeh, I'm not a solaris guy, I'm a Linux/BSD guy
[27-Aug-2010 10:09:58] <Simon4> catches linux admins out in funny ways :)
[27-Aug-2010 10:10:09] <rmatte> so killall literally kills everything?
[27-Aug-2010 10:10:10] <SEJeff_work> much to my chagrin one day when lookin at a db server several years ago
[27-Aug-2010 10:10:12] <SEJeff_work> yes
[27-Aug-2010 10:10:19] <rmatte> what a useless command
[27-Aug-2010 10:10:32] <SEJeff_work> yes
[27-Aug-2010 10:10:34] <rmatte> might as well just rm -rf / while you're at it
[27-Aug-2010 10:10:39] <rmatte> lol
[27-Aug-2010 10:11:35] <rmatte> good to know
[27-Aug-2010 10:12:03] <SEJeff_work> The big unix distros all have better tracing than Linux
[27-Aug-2010 10:12:16] <SEJeff_work> HPUX has glance, it is sooo nice. Some day Linux will have that
[27-Aug-2010 10:12:26] <Simon4> gah, I was given a list once with some zenpatches to load to improve 2.5.2 modelling performance
[27-Aug-2010 10:12:29] <Simon4> maybe from rmatte?
[27-Aug-2010 10:13:10] <rmatte> well...
[27-Aug-2010 10:13:25] <rmatte> I'll check
[27-Aug-2010 10:13:33] <Simon4> I think there were three patches, updated ipservice, and route modelling plugins to stop em doing useless stuff
[27-Aug-2010 10:14:23] <rmatte> hmmm, I made a wiki entry about 2.4.5 patches, but not about 2.5.2... I'll check my local files, I'm sure I have something laying around
[27-Aug-2010 10:15:04] <rmatte> this is all I have...
[27-Aug-2010 10:15:11] <rmatte> Fix zeodb churn: zenpatch 18589 && zenpatch 18908 && zenpatch 18890 && zenpatch 18941
[27-Aug-2010 10:15:15] <Simon4> danke
[27-Aug-2010 10:15:16] <rmatte> Fix sawtooth zenprocess graph: zenpatch 19577
[27-Aug-2010 10:15:34] * Simon4 writes it down this time
[27-Aug-2010 10:15:38] <rmatte> hehe
[27-Aug-2010 10:15:39] <SEJeff_work> rmatte, Do you follow trunk to watch for these things?
[27-Aug-2010 10:15:58] <rmatte> SEJeff_work: I usually get tip-offs from devs
[27-Aug-2010 10:16:48] <SEJeff_work> In exchange for beer?
[27-Aug-2010 10:17:58] <rmatte> nah
[27-Aug-2010 10:18:08] <rmatte> rocket tipped me off about the zeodb churning
[27-Aug-2010 10:18:19] <rmatte> and the sawtooth was actually a trac ticket that I was following
[27-Aug-2010 10:18:38] <Simon4> 2010-08-27 16:18:16,077 INFO zen.ZenModeler: Scan time: 1795.82 seconds
[27-Aug-2010 10:18:38] <Simon4> 2010-08-27 16:18:16,092 INFO zen.ZenModeler: Daemon ZenModeler shutting down
[27-Aug-2010 10:18:38] <rmatte> I generally add myself to the cc list on trac tickets that are of interest to me
[27-Aug-2010 10:18:42] <Simon4> :)
[27-Aug-2010 10:18:43] <rmatte> so that I know when patches get released
[27-Aug-2010 10:18:45] <fragfutter> zenoss is a bit like qmail.
[27-Aug-2010 10:19:14] <rmatte> in what way?
[27-Aug-2010 10:19:27] <rmatte> Simon4: yeh, I've had times like that for single devices
[27-Aug-2010 10:19:36] <SEJeff_work> qmail is djb. Don't insult them like that
[27-Aug-2010 10:19:39] <rmatte> Simon4: devices that I can snmpwalk and read the walk line by line as it comes in
[27-Aug-2010 10:20:05] <rmatte> Simon4: which is why I don't do automated remodelling
[27-Aug-2010 10:20:07] <fragfutter> it installs fine, but to realy work add patch a, b, c, ....
[27-Aug-2010 10:20:19] <rmatte> fragfutter: yeh, it does tend to be like that
[27-Aug-2010 10:20:29] <Simon4> rmatte: this isn't the snmp being slow
[27-Aug-2010 10:20:36] <Simon4> it's the zodb churn :/
[27-Aug-2010 10:20:36] <fragfutter> and for feature x install pack y
[27-Aug-2010 10:20:41] <rmatte> Simon4: ah
[27-Aug-2010 10:23:58] <fragfutter> note to self: read the command prompt three times before hitting enter on a "poweroff", might be the wrong machine
[27-Aug-2010 10:24:22] <rmatte> lol
[27-Aug-2010 10:24:37] <rmatte> "whoops"
[27-Aug-2010 10:24:56] <SEJeff_work> Hopefully you've got a working ILO cabled up
[27-Aug-2010 10:25:02] <SEJeff_work> start /system1
[27-Aug-2010 10:25:10] <SEJeff_work> or something like that depending on the vendor
[27-Aug-2010 10:25:40] <fragfutter> yes no problem. just need to wait.
[27-Aug-2010 10:25:47] <rmatte> one of the reasons why I prefer vms
[27-Aug-2010 10:27:49] <fragfutter> rmatte: like openvms ;)
[27-Aug-2010 10:32:21] * fragfutter is running low on fuel
[27-Aug-2010 10:32:39] <fragfutter> tea is empty
[27-Aug-2010 10:36:02] <rmatte> eugh, could fortinet make it any harder to find Mibs on their site?
[27-Aug-2010 10:47:54] * rmatte fires up zenmib for the first time in ages
[27-Aug-2010 10:47:58] <rmatte> this should be fun
[27-Aug-2010 10:50:05] <rmatte> wow, they have really improved it since the last time I used it lol, that was completely painless
[27-Aug-2010 10:54:49] <Orv> rmatte: I'm not familiar with that - What does it do?
[27-Aug-2010 10:56:43] <rmatte> it installs Mibs in to Zenoss
[27-Aug-2010 10:56:50] <rmatte> so that snmp traps get translated properly
[27-Aug-2010 10:57:15] <Orv> Thanks.
[27-Aug-2010 10:58:32] <rmatte> you download the mibs files, unzip them/untar them to a directory, then as the zenoss user you go in to that directory and do: zenmib run *
[27-Aug-2010 10:58:37] <rmatte> and it will install them
[27-Aug-2010 10:58:53] <rmatte> then you can go in to the UI, create a Mibs organizer, and move them in to it to keep things tidy
[27-Aug-2010 10:59:02] <mrayzenoss> rmatte: you can thanks Kells on that, he's been making lots of improvements
[27-Aug-2010 10:59:27] <rmatte> yeh, he's done a good job
[27-Aug-2010 11:00:01] <rmatte> I'll be using it a lot more heavily soon, I'm going to make a list of all of the common brands of equipment that I need to load Mibs in for and do it across all of my servers
[27-Aug-2010 11:00:05] <rmatte> way too much stuff is missing
[27-Aug-2010 11:00:32] <mrayzenoss> well, we're running a ZenPack contest now ;p
[27-Aug-2010 11:00:47] <rmatte> I'm also missing like 95% of the windows Mibs, but I'm going to wait until we move to WMI monitoring to tackle that one
[27-Aug-2010 11:01:26] <rmatte> mrayzenoss: yeh, I'll pack them up as ZenPacks whenever I have time... the ZenPack contests always fall on times when I'm really busy
[27-Aug-2010 11:01:35] <rmatte> or they are for ZenPacks that I can't possibly build, such as cloud
[27-Aug-2010 11:01:36] <rmatte> lol
[27-Aug-2010 11:02:35] <rmatte> So far my submissions will be the catalyst pack (which I know some people are anxious to get their hands on), an update to my collector tool pack, and possibly an update to the Cisco Mibs pack.
[27-Aug-2010 11:03:32] <rmatte> what's the end date for the contest?
[27-Aug-2010 11:03:53] <mrayzenoss> end of next month
[27-Aug-2010 11:03:57] <rmatte> k
[27-Aug-2010 11:04:06] <rmatte> should have time to get all 3 done
[27-Aug-2010 11:04:50] <rmatte> I'll probably work on the Cisco Mibs one night at home since they are really time consuming
[27-Aug-2010 11:05:44] <mrayzenoss> heh, I didn't smoke test it with my other 3.0 tests since it takes so long
[27-Aug-2010 11:06:06] <rmatte> lol
[27-Aug-2010 11:06:12] <rmatte> I'll test it with 3.0 while I'm at it
[27-Aug-2010 11:06:19] <mrayzenoss> actually didn't test any MIB ones
[27-Aug-2010 11:06:23] <rmatte> it's definitely an overnight install type of thing
[27-Aug-2010 11:06:46] <rmatte> the Proliant Mibs is the other ZenPack beast as I recall
[27-Aug-2010 11:06:47] <mrayzenoss> Kells just demoed the new UI in the 3.1 release for the MIB interface
[27-Aug-2010 11:07:04] <mrayzenoss> much better, also now lets you load through the UI or from a URL
[27-Aug-2010 11:07:04] <rmatte> cool
[27-Aug-2010 11:07:13] <rmatte> sweet deal
[27-Aug-2010 11:07:19] <rmatte> I like the from a URL part
[27-Aug-2010 11:07:26] <rmatte> though I'll probably still do it commandline
[27-Aug-2010 11:07:30] <rmatte> it's nicer when you run in to issues
[27-Aug-2010 11:07:32] <mrayzenoss> yeah, that's currently in his MIB Utitilies ZenPack
[27-Aug-2010 11:07:50] <mrayzenoss> the only thing he hasn't rolled into the product from that is the MIB browser part
[27-Aug-2010 11:08:06] <rmatte> the MIB Browser is nice, but I hardly ever use it
[27-Aug-2010 11:08:10] <mrayzenoss> yeah
[27-Aug-2010 11:08:13] <mrayzenoss> meetings over, back to my desk
[27-Aug-2010 11:08:14] <rmatte> I find myself googling for rosetta stones most of the time
[27-Aug-2010 11:08:18] <rmatte> k
[27-Aug-2010 11:11:01] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[27-Aug-2010 11:12:02] <mray> and I'm back
[27-Aug-2010 11:32:30] <rmatte> that would actually be a good idea for a website, just have a bunch of rosetta stones with common OIDs for each vendor
[27-Aug-2010 11:32:36] <rmatte> I might throw something together
[27-Aug-2010 11:33:06] <rmatte> set it up as a wiki
[27-Aug-2010 11:36:03] <rmatte> snmpshark.com would work as a name
[27-Aug-2010 11:36:04] <rmatte> :)
[27-Aug-2010 11:41:50] <cgibbons> Jeff are you still around?
[27-Aug-2010 11:42:13] <mray> SEJeff_work: cgibbons is looking for you
[27-Aug-2010 11:42:17] <SEJeff_work> cgibbons, I'm speaking with rob on the phone
[27-Aug-2010 11:42:22] <cgibbons> k
[27-Aug-2010 11:42:51] LarsN is now known as LarsN_Away
[27-Aug-2010 11:46:15] <mducharme-laptop> morning
[27-Aug-2010 11:46:42] <mducharme-laptop> question - incoming syslog messages from a particular device are getting fields mapped incorrectly
[27-Aug-2010 11:47:02] <mducharme-laptop> the component contains the event summary and the summary contains the event component
[27-Aug-2010 11:50:21] <mducharme-laptop> I realize there is ZensyslogProcessing.py which handles those
[27-Aug-2010 11:50:38] <mducharme-laptop> I'm wondering if I should be modifying that, or if I should be fixing the events through a transform
[27-Aug-2010 12:57:17] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[27-Aug-2010 13:14:33] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[27-Aug-2010 13:14:47] <mducharme-laptop> this transform isn't working
[27-Aug-2010 13:15:17] <rmatte> pastebin
[27-Aug-2010 13:21:33] <swc|666> hi, is there something *special* i need to do to get the apache zenpack working to monitor mod_status? all i get is nan's
[27-Aug-2010 13:21:54] <Simon4> swc|666: make sure you can wget http://apacheserver/server-status from the zenoss box
[27-Aug-2010 13:22:08] <swc|666> Simon4, yep did that and its fine
[27-Aug-2010 13:22:08] <Simon4> and check zencommand.log in $ZENHOME/logs
[27-Aug-2010 13:22:20] <forsberg> if you get nans you just have to wait abit ?
[27-Aug-2010 13:22:20] <forsberg> :>
[27-Aug-2010 13:22:28] <Simon4> pff, patience ;)
[27-Aug-2010 13:22:33] <Simon4> but yeah, that too
[27-Aug-2010 13:22:40] <forsberg> means you got something
[27-Aug-2010 13:22:53] <swc|666> lol
[27-Aug-2010 13:23:06] <swc|666> no it's been ~72 hrs .. let me check the logs again
[27-Aug-2010 13:23:18] <Simon4> zencommand run -v 10 -d devicename
[27-Aug-2010 13:23:20] <Simon4> also
[27-Aug-2010 13:24:52] <swc|666> Simon4, yeah i tried that and it fails, however i can run the /check_apache.py script with the args and it works from the cli
[27-Aug-2010 13:25:10] <Simon4> can you pastie the fail messages?
[27-Aug-2010 13:25:44] <swc|666> i mean i tried zentestcommand -d server --datasource=apache in regards to zentestcommand
[27-Aug-2010 13:26:30] * Simon4 hasn't tried zentestcommand before
[27-Aug-2010 13:27:43] <swc|666> http://pastie.org/1120931
[27-Aug-2010 13:28:00] <Simon4> hmm, was that -v 10?
[27-Aug-2010 13:29:56] <swc|666> Simon4, yep
[27-Aug-2010 13:31:26] <Simon4> hmm
[27-Aug-2010 13:31:33] <Simon4> that seems a bit light on logging
[27-Aug-2010 13:33:06] * Simon4 tries something locally
[27-Aug-2010 13:33:20] <Simon4> you don't have a remote collector by any chance?
[27-Aug-2010 13:33:21] <swc|666> i think i may know what part of the problem is now... 1 min
[27-Aug-2010 13:35:11] <swc|666> just reinstalled it, will give it a few
[27-Aug-2010 13:36:51] * Simon4 is on a debug event hunt
[27-Aug-2010 13:36:58] <Simon4> 3,650 to find, stupid templates
[27-Aug-2010 13:38:45] <swc|666> ouch
[27-Aug-2010 13:38:49] <SEJeff_work> debug events suck
[27-Aug-2010 13:38:57] <SEJeff_work> We have thousands of those because ZenOSS hates our switches
[27-Aug-2010 13:38:59] <Simon4> they're the db killer :)
[27-Aug-2010 13:39:16] <Simon4> I have been known to transform em off the planet before
[27-Aug-2010 13:41:09] <SEJeff_work> Simon4, Those slow down ZenOSS?
[27-Aug-2010 13:41:09] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[27-Aug-2010 13:42:28] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[27-Aug-2010 13:42:56] <Simon4> SEJeff_work: they fill the status + history tables in mysql which I've found seems to slow down a bunch of queries
[27-Aug-2010 13:43:26] <SEJeff_work> yay for indexes. Not sure if zenoss creates them though :)
[27-Aug-2010 13:43:52] <Simon4> yeah, it's also the updates/etc, since every debug event that persists gets an update query every 5 min
[27-Aug-2010 13:45:11] * Simon4 is pretty sure it's only the size of the install here that makes this an issue, and the crap architecture of the initial install (new one on the way :) )
[27-Aug-2010 13:49:45] <SEJeff_work> Simon4, is severity=1 debug?
[27-Aug-2010 13:49:55] <Simon4> I think so
[27-Aug-2010 13:50:19] <SEJeff_work> mysql> select count(*) from status where severity = 1;
[27-Aug-2010 13:50:25] <SEJeff_work> 53802 rows
[27-Aug-2010 13:50:36] <SEJeff_work> That explains why the interface is sluggish more often than not
[27-Aug-2010 13:52:05] <rmatte> eugh, I'm still missing one fortimail mib
[27-Aug-2010 13:52:13] <rmatte> fortimail-trap-mib-220
[27-Aug-2010 13:52:20] <rmatte> impossible to find apparently
[27-Aug-2010 13:56:49] <Simon4> SEJeff_work: there's a query that runs when you navigate to a device that works out it's availability, it joins the severity and history tables to find the total availability over the last 7 days
[27-Aug-2010 13:56:54] <Simon4> much frustration
[27-Aug-2010 13:57:04] <Simon4> it does cache it, but not for very long
[27-Aug-2010 13:57:10] <Simon4> need to see if v3 fixes that
[27-Aug-2010 13:58:27] <SEJeff_work> Simon4, Well the debug events are all zenoss saying oids are bad for our devices when they aren't
[27-Aug-2010 13:58:33] <SEJeff_work> Hopefully v3 fixes some of that ugliness
[27-Aug-2010 13:58:42] <Simon4> SEJeff_work: you can always transform them into dead air
[27-Aug-2010 13:58:58] <SEJeff_work> Simon4, But they also mean those stats aren't being properly collected
[27-Aug-2010 13:59:03] <SEJeff_work> So the graphs suck for those devices
[27-Aug-2010 13:59:18] <SEJeff_work> Does sql have the equivalent of sort | uniq?
[27-Aug-2010 13:59:26] <Simon4> hmmm... are the deivices network devices which are whinging because zMaxOIDsPerRequest is too high?
[27-Aug-2010 13:59:40] <SEJeff_work> I did select count(*) to get that number, and am interested in getting a unique list
[27-Aug-2010 13:59:48] <SEJeff_work> I dont think so
[27-Aug-2010 13:59:57] <Simon4> SELECT DISTINCT x,y,z FROM tablename SORT BY z
[27-Aug-2010 13:59:59] <SEJeff_work> But that might be it
[27-Aug-2010 14:00:13] <Simon4> crap, sorry
[27-Aug-2010 14:00:18] <Simon4> ORDER BY, not SORT BY
[27-Aug-2010 14:00:38] <SEJeff_work> Right I actually knew order by, but not distinct
[27-Aug-2010 14:00:41] <SEJeff_work> from working with the django ORM a lot
[27-Aug-2010 14:01:34] <SEJeff_work> 81 problem hosts
[27-Aug-2010 14:02:32] <SEJeff_work> How does one find out if zMaxOIDsPerRequest is too high? It just says the oids are bad
[27-Aug-2010 14:02:49] <Simon4> SEJeff_work: drop it to something like 5 and see what happens
[27-Aug-2010 14:03:03] <Simon4> collection time for that device will go up, but if the debugs go away you know you need to experiment some
[27-Aug-2010 14:03:18] <SEJeff_work> Interesting
[27-Aug-2010 14:03:28] <Simon4> I know cisco firewalls don't like much more than 10
[27-Aug-2010 14:06:18] <rmatte> So I registered for an account on the fortinet site since someone said you might have to to download the Mibs, and still nothing
[27-Aug-2010 14:06:22] * rmatte bangs head on desk
[27-Aug-2010 14:06:44] <rmatte> vendors are so dumb sometimes
[27-Aug-2010 14:09:32] <gwb2351> what python bit would I modify to tell zenmodeler to exclude NSFv4 on a Linux host? Or where do I start looking at the code?
[27-Aug-2010 14:13:17] <swc|666> Simon4, finally data is coming in .. thanks or your help
[27-Aug-2010 14:13:41] <Simon4> swc|666: awesome :)
[27-Aug-2010 14:14:51] <swc|666> now on to mysql :s
[27-Aug-2010 14:14:56] <swc|666> :p
[27-Aug-2010 14:18:24] <rmatte> that's so lame, you actually have to be a fortigate customer to download the Mibs
[27-Aug-2010 14:19:36] <rmatte> no one in here happens to have the fortimail-trap-mib-220 mib kicking around?
[27-Aug-2010 14:19:46] <Simon4> rmatte: I presume you've googled the filename?
[27-Aug-2010 14:19:55] <rmatte> yessir
[27-Aug-2010 14:20:00] <rmatte> my google-fu is quite good
[27-Aug-2010 14:20:01] <rmatte> no dice
[27-Aug-2010 14:20:09] <rmatte> I got the other fortimail mib via google
[27-Aug-2010 14:20:12] <rmatte> but I can't find this out
[27-Aug-2010 14:20:47] <rmatte> this is where I got the other one from: http://forums.manageengine.com/viewFile.do?fileId=49000003939141&forumGroupId=49000000002007
[27-Aug-2010 14:21:02] <rmatte> s/out/one
[27-Aug-2010 14:31:13] <rmatte> hmmm weird, snmp is throwing snmp agent down alerts for a windows server, but I can snmpwalk it fine, I modified the zMaxOIDPerRequest value and made it lower but still, same issue
[27-Aug-2010 14:31:15] <rmatte> very strange
[27-Aug-2010 14:31:48] <ericenns> rmatte: turn it down really low and try again
[27-Aug-2010 14:32:14] <ericenns> and look at logs possibly my cisoc firewall only accepts snmp requests of a certain length
[27-Aug-2010 14:33:25] <rmatte> yeh, I had it dropped to 20, but I just dropped it to 10
[27-Aug-2010 14:33:30] <rmatte> we'll see if that makes a difference
[27-Aug-2010 14:33:36] <rmatte> it just started today which is odd
[27-Aug-2010 14:33:41] <ericenns> ok I have to have my cisco at around 7 i believe
[27-Aug-2010 14:33:55] <ericenns> that is weird
[27-Aug-2010 14:34:07] <rmatte> heck I'll drop it to 1 if it fixes it
[27-Aug-2010 14:34:08] <rmatte> lol
[27-Aug-2010 14:35:11] <ericenns> haha yeah
[27-Aug-2010 14:42:28] <rmatte> I think that might have fixed it, need to wait and see if it starts graphing again
[27-Aug-2010 14:42:57] <rmatte> yeh it is
[27-Aug-2010 14:42:58] <rmatte> good stuff
[27-Aug-2010 14:44:37] <ericenns> rmatte: setup my devel copy in virtual box and started taking snapshots
[27-Aug-2010 14:45:07] <rmatte> cool
[27-Aug-2010 14:49:25] <rmatte> this day is dragging on
[27-Aug-2010 14:49:34] <rmatte> 1 hour left
[27-Aug-2010 14:49:55] <Simon4> beer-o-clock :)
[27-Aug-2010 14:50:02] <rmatte> absolutely
[27-Aug-2010 14:50:08] <ericenns> 10 minutes yay
[27-Aug-2010 14:50:09] <rmatte> that's what I'm heading for after work
[27-Aug-2010 14:51:17] <ericenns> I have to head back to the home town unfortunately, would rather spend the weekend setting up the pfsense box at home
[27-Aug-2010 14:51:33] <rmatte> hehe
[27-Aug-2010 14:51:45] <ericenns> wife will be glad thought lol
[27-Aug-2010 14:51:58] <rmatte> I'd imagine so
[27-Aug-2010 14:52:00] <ericenns> s/thought/though/
[27-Aug-2010 14:52:31] <ericenns> lol if I had enough room I would bring it back lol
[27-Aug-2010 14:54:11] <rmatte> lol
[27-Aug-2010 14:54:37] <rmatte> I don't have a wife, so yeh
[27-Aug-2010 14:54:39] <rmatte> :)
[27-Aug-2010 14:54:56] <rmatte> I'm 25, still do quite a bit of partying
[27-Aug-2010 14:55:05] <ericenns> lol I'm 20 haha
[27-Aug-2010 14:55:13] <rmatte> you got tied down early lol
[27-Aug-2010 14:55:27] <ericenns> happens when your from a small town
[27-Aug-2010 14:55:32] <rmatte> yeh
[27-Aug-2010 14:55:44] <rmatte> I was originally from a small town, moved to the city
[27-Aug-2010 14:56:27] <ericenns> yup when I moved too the city I went through my partying stage in my first year of engineering
[27-Aug-2010 14:56:56] <rmatte> so you did engineering then decided to switch to IT?
[27-Aug-2010 14:57:02] <rmatte> or was it comp engineering?
[27-Aug-2010 14:57:31] <ericenns> I was in comp engineering first year and then switched second year to Computer Science and I still have little more than a year left
[27-Aug-2010 14:57:40] <rmatte> ah, cool
[27-Aug-2010 14:57:45] <rmatte> university or college?
[27-Aug-2010 14:57:50] <ericenns> university
[27-Aug-2010 14:58:02] <rmatte> cool
[27-Aug-2010 14:58:17] <rmatte> I did a 1 year compressed college course for a 2 year diploma
[27-Aug-2010 14:58:27] <rmatte> lots of networking and server administration stuff
[27-Aug-2010 14:58:39] <ericenns> yum i've doing co-op so im working as assistant sys admin where there are only 2 sys admins including myself
[27-Aug-2010 14:58:41] <rmatte> 12 months straight
[27-Aug-2010 14:58:49] <rmatte> cool
[27-Aug-2010 14:58:50] <ericenns> oh wow thats pretty intense
[27-Aug-2010 14:59:02] <rmatte> yeh, we never did co-op, wasn't enough time
[27-Aug-2010 14:59:10] <ericenns> makes sense
[27-Aug-2010 14:59:39] <rmatte> I hate some of the crap that they throw in to the course though
[27-Aug-2010 14:59:39] <ericenns> well I'm outta here back on monday
[27-Aug-2010 14:59:42] <rmatte> like finance and accounting
[27-Aug-2010 14:59:45] <rmatte> alright man
[27-Aug-2010 14:59:46] <rmatte> ttyl
[27-Aug-2010 15:01:40] <rmatte> well, I'm going to take off too since there's no one left in the office apparently
[27-Aug-2010 15:01:42] <rmatte> cheers folks
[27-Aug-2010 15:02:17] <Simon4> seu rmatte
[27-Aug-2010 15:23:19] <ashp> hey, the urls that go out in the default emails for actions (like delete, event detail) etc
[27-Aug-2010 15:23:26] <ashp> is there a place to set the url used for those in one place?
[27-Aug-2010 15:23:32] <ashp> as it's using the hostname of the machine, not the accessable address
[27-Aug-2010 15:24:53] <Simon4> yup
[27-Aug-2010 15:25:22] <Simon4> $ZENHOME/etc/zenactions.conf
[27-Aug-2010 15:25:33] <Simon4> zopeurl http://where.my.monitoring.server.lives
[27-Aug-2010 15:41:06] <ashp> Simon4: perfect, thanks!
[27-Aug-2010 15:41:17] <ashp> this is so weird, one of my machines won't monitor apache properly
[27-Aug-2010 15:41:20] <ashp> i just get '[Errno -2] Name or service not known'
[27-Aug-2010 15:41:27] <ashp> but i can look up the name just fine :/
[27-Aug-2010 15:45:54] <Simon4> that's fairly wierd
[27-Aug-2010 15:46:09] <ashp> yeah, i can't see any cause for it at all, very odd
[27-Aug-2010 15:46:37] <ashp> now another box is sending me alerts that zCommandUsername is blank, which is odd as it's unused
[27-Aug-2010 15:46:54] <Simon4> that sounds like something's been bound that shouldn't be
[27-Aug-2010 15:47:45] <ashp> i can't see or find anything bound, other than the stock template and the overridden apache one
[27-Aug-2010 15:48:02] <ashp> oh look, my coworker ticked 'use ssh'
[27-Aug-2010 15:48:09] <ashp> instead of use https, haha
[27-Aug-2010 15:48:11] <Simon4> :)
[27-Aug-2010 15:48:21] <ashp> nice try steve, nice try!
[27-Aug-2010 15:48:40] <ashp> i notice that the machine with the 'name or service not known' doesn't have an ip listed, how odd
[27-Aug-2010 15:48:54] <ashp> but it models fine, so that's odd
[27-Aug-2010 15:49:21] <Simon4> so the apache template uses manageip, not hostname, or the other way around
[27-Aug-2010 15:49:32] <Simon4> which may not match what the modeler uses
[27-Aug-2010 15:49:50] <ashp> I wonder where and how it lost manageip, i wonder if someone else has been 'playing' with the system
[27-Aug-2010 15:50:05] <ashp> i just did 'reset ip' and it found it, so that's fixed at least
[27-Aug-2010 15:50:27] <ashp> i had to do a quick demo to our CIO and while he seemed outraged that zenoss uses zope
[27-Aug-2010 15:50:36] <ashp> he seemed to like the system and even went as far as 'it's really cool'
[27-Aug-2010 15:50:38] <Simon4> heh
[27-Aug-2010 15:55:17] <SEJeff_work> ashp, So he loves zope that much huh?
[27-Aug-2010 15:55:39] <ashp> i dunno what he even knows about zope
[27-Aug-2010 15:55:49] <Simon4> everyone loves zope ;)
[27-Aug-2010 15:55:54] <ashp> it was just weird he sounded so horrified
[27-Aug-2010 15:56:02] <SEJeff_work> Why?
[27-Aug-2010 15:56:13] <ashp> i don't know much about zope but is it THAT bad?
[27-Aug-2010 15:56:49] <ashp> surely if it was zenoss would be on top of something else
[27-Aug-2010 15:56:52] <SEJeff_work> Well you dont write normal python so much as you write zope python. Ditto for twisted. Or in C if you use gnome's glib. You don't write raw c, you write glib / gobject c
[27-Aug-2010 15:57:00] <SEJeff_work> The new zope in 3.0 is nice
[27-Aug-2010 15:57:06] <SEJeff_work> zope can be a pig
[27-Aug-2010 15:57:14] <ashp> what version of zope is used in 3 anyway?
[27-Aug-2010 15:57:31] <SEJeff_work> A new one :)
[27-Aug-2010 15:57:32] <Simon4> zope 2.x is fairly painful in some ways, but it doesn't make me want to strangle things too much
[27-Aug-2010 15:57:54] <Simon4> you just get used to working with it
[27-Aug-2010 16:07:56] <mducharme-laptop> woo
[27-Aug-2010 16:08:05] <mducharme-laptop> finally finished deleting all those blasted events
[27-Aug-2010 16:08:06] <mducharme-laptop> took long enough
[27-Aug-2010 16:08:10] <mducharme-laptop> event history just flies now
[27-Aug-2010 16:08:13] <Simon4> start revoking manager accounts ;)
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[27-Aug-2010 17:28:34] <Orv> Is there any way to turn off specific WMI error messages?
[27-Aug-2010 17:29:06] <mray> you can modify your event rules to drop things
[27-Aug-2010 17:42:56] <Orv> OK - I'll take a look at that.
[27-Aug-2010 17:44:44] <Orv> mray: Are there any webinars scheduled?
[27-Aug-2010 17:44:54] <Orv> guess I could go look on the web site :-)
[27-Aug-2010 17:45:20] <Simon4> mray: hurry up and do a presentation in the middle of the ski season in the rockies :)
[27-Aug-2010 17:45:39] <Simon4> admittedly I'm in Wyoming for all of Feb
[27-Aug-2010 17:49:40] <Simon4> pfff
[27-Aug-2010 17:49:41] <Simon4> :)
[27-Aug-2010 17:51:33] * Orv signs up for the Sept 7th webinar
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[27-Aug-2010 19:49:43] <ashp> I enabled email alerts and went home and found like 200 alerts when i got back
[27-Aug-2010 19:50:05] <ashp> because it's monitoring httpd processes and alerting whenever one dies, and our webservers spawn processes from time to time and then ends them, i think
[27-Aug-2010 19:50:10] <ashp> and it's causing a giant meltdown :/
[27-Aug-2010 19:51:23] <ashp> hmm, it's only one one of the webservers, maybe we have a real problem somewhere :)
[27-Aug-2010 19:55:02] <ashp> or not, as it's prefork, and there's no way for me to tell it 'only check the ones owned by root, ignore the other ones' :/
[27-Aug-2010 19:56:18] <ashp> http://www.mail-archive.com/zenoss-users@zenoss.org/msg19613.html//www.mail-archive.com/zenoss-users@zenoss.org/msg19613.html ha, people with the same problem as me on the same shitty outdated distro!
[27-Aug-2010 20:07:33] <ashp> someone do me a favour and paste the default regexp for httpd process monitoring in 3.0? :)
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[28-Aug-2010 12:55:41] <mducharme> afternoon
[28-Aug-2010 12:55:51] <mducharme> anbody know if it's possible to get zenoss to zenping an interface of a device it is pinging?
[28-Aug-2010 12:57:13] <Simon4> I'm failing to parse your question :)
[28-Aug-2010 12:58:52] <mducharme> heh
[28-Aug-2010 12:59:15] <mducharme> I want to determine the availability of an interface in a report
[28-Aug-2010 12:59:30] <mducharme> the availability shows as 100% for the interface because zenping does not ping its ip address
[28-Aug-2010 12:59:48] <Simon4> ah, so you want zenping to ping multiple interfaces on a device
[28-Aug-2010 12:59:52] <mducharme> yes
[28-Aug-2010 13:00:26] <mducharme> I can add a "ping" device for that but then zenoss thinks there is an ip conflict
[28-Aug-2010 13:01:12] <mducharme> between the dummy device and the interface
[28-Aug-2010 13:01:19] <mducharme> and it looks messy
[28-Aug-2010 13:01:21] <Simon4> you could set the zInterfaceMapIgnoreBlahBlah property on the original device to stop the interface being found I guess
[28-Aug-2010 13:01:23] <Simon4> but yeah, messy
[28-Aug-2010 13:01:48] <Simon4> it needs something like a zPingAllInterfaces property for a device and for zenping to be aware of it
[28-Aug-2010 13:04:06] <mducharme> it is fine if there is a way to combine downtime from "interface down" and "ping failed to device" in one availability report
[28-Aug-2010 13:11:00] <ashp> 01:07 <ashp> someone do me a favour and paste the default regexp for httpd process monitoring in 3.0? :)
[28-Aug-2010 13:39:11] <Simon4> ashp: waiting for it to load ;)
[28-Aug-2010 13:40:11] <Simon4> ah crap, sorry, my v3 doesn't have it - probably since it was an upgraded v2 where it had been removed
[28-Aug-2010 14:02:44] <ashp> ahhh
[28-Aug-2010 14:03:02] <ashp> i just know they have a certain regexp and i overwrote it while trying to work out why i get so many errors from httpd monitoring last night
[28-Aug-2010 14:03:06] <ashp> and now i want to restore it as i can't fix it that way :/
[28-Aug-2010 14:05:15] <Simon4> quickly fire up a v3 install on a spare vm to check?
[28-Aug-2010 19:24:38] <c00p> Is there somewhere other than the src tarball I can get the .sql files to create a serperate DB on my DB server for Zenoss ?
[28-Aug-2010 19:24:47] <c00p> supose I could browse the svn now I think about it
[28-Aug-2010 20:45:28] <klep_> I'm switching to zenoss because it seems awesome and it's realtime, unlike nagios... good idea?
[28-Aug-2010 20:54:24] <klep_> can anyone please point me in the direction of some documentation on Zenoss?
[28-Aug-2010 23:12:54] <c00p> klep_: http://zenoss.org
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[29-Aug-2010 02:01:24] <mducharme> klep_: we moved off nagios onto zenoss and I'm quite happy overall
[29-Aug-2010 02:01:31] <mducharme> but there are a few disadvantages compared to nagios
[29-Aug-2010 02:01:56] <mducharme> the disadvantages for us were minor
[29-Aug-2010 02:02:09] <mducharme> but for other companies they might be a lot more of a problem
[29-Aug-2010 02:07:51] <c00p> mducharme: examples ?
[29-Aug-2010 02:07:59] <c00p> as I am tempted to do the move ...
[29-Aug-2010 02:15:43] <mducharme> c00p - it doesn't really have dependencies
[29-Aug-2010 02:16:15] <mducharme> meaning depending how your network is set up you will get multiple notifications when something goes down
[29-Aug-2010 02:16:42] <mducharme> for instance suppose a switch breaks and behind the switch you have 5 devices.. you will end up getting 6 notifications things are down
[29-Aug-2010 02:17:36] <mducharme> because zenoss cannot handle layer 2 dependencies, so you cannot make devices dependent on a switch
[29-Aug-2010 02:18:16] <mducharme> it can only make things dependent on routers
[29-Aug-2010 02:18:32] <mducharme> so it's fine if your router goes down, then you will only get notification about that
[29-Aug-2010 02:18:54] <mducharme> because it knows anything behind it is inaccessible because the router is down
[29-Aug-2010 02:19:16] <mducharme> in our environment all of our switches have a "router on a stick"
[29-Aug-2010 02:19:24] <mducharme> so if the router is down the switch will be too
[29-Aug-2010 02:19:34] <mducharme> therefore it doesn't matter
[29-Aug-2010 02:20:13] <mducharme> but depending on how your network is set up you could get a lot more notifications than you need that something is down
[29-Aug-2010 02:21:00] <mducharme> if that does not really impact you then all is good
[29-Aug-2010 02:21:15] <mducharme> but it's good to be aware of that from the get-go
[29-Aug-2010 02:25:31] <mducharme> b/c zenoss does a lot more than nagios much more easily.. and all integrated.. nagios can do lots of things but often requiring add ons and it all ends up feeling like a pastiche, a system glued together
[29-Aug-2010 02:26:18] <mducharme> but the basic function of nagios, to tell you what is up or down, is implemented better than zenoss for the time being, until there is some support for layer 2 dependencies
[29-Aug-2010 02:28:12] <mducharme> again that does not impact my particular environment at all, because if the switch is down the router is also, and vice versa.....
[29-Aug-2010 02:28:28] <mducharme> so for us we have not really lost anything
[29-Aug-2010 02:29:15] <mducharme> and we have gained a lot of additional monitoring and info, and it is much easier to use
[29-Aug-2010 02:33:14] <mducharme> I actually have my level 1 network support guys adding devices into zenoss
[29-Aug-2010 02:33:21] <mducharme> there is no way i could have them do that with nagios
[29-Aug-2010 02:58:56] <c00p> no deps is bad for us
[29-Aug-2010 02:59:58] <c00p> yes I like the easier config
[29-Aug-2010 03:00:12] <c00p> I am going to run them both side by side for awhile and see what people think
[29-Aug-2010 03:00:31] <c00p> I have cacti and nagios with a lot of my own snmp checks checking stuff
[29-Aug-2010 04:02:41] <mike_d> hello all
[29-Aug-2010 04:03:07] <mike_d> everyone asleep ?
[29-Aug-2010 04:04:22] <huggie> I'm asleep.
[29-Aug-2010 04:05:23] <mike_d> quick question : we're running 2.4.5 and the latest is 3.0.1 is there an easy upgrade path ?
[29-Aug-2010 04:08:03] <huggie> The docs say which version can upgrade to which
[29-Aug-2010 04:09:01] <huggie> Though maybe we've been doing it wrong but there doesn't seem to be such a thing as an easy ZO upgrade IME
[29-Aug-2010 05:01:13] <mike_d> itd be nice if there where an update button opn the versions tab :)
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[30-Aug-2010 05:19:17] <forsberg> anyone alive yet ? :>
[30-Aug-2010 05:40:51] <aclark> forsberg: morning
[30-Aug-2010 06:38:34] <dv_> hello
[30-Aug-2010 06:39:30] <dv_> I have a problem with Zenoss 3
[30-Aug-2010 06:39:45] <dv_> I installed a broken zenpack, and the zenpack list shows "This pack was just installed, or is missing or broken. Please restart Zope."
[30-Aug-2010 06:40:08] <Simon4> have you restarted zenoss?
[30-Aug-2010 06:40:15] <dv_> I restarted Zope, but it is still there
[30-Aug-2010 06:40:37] <Simon4> just zope? or all of zenoss? that message is a bit misleading
[30-Aug-2010 06:40:41] <dv_> oh
[30-Aug-2010 06:40:42] <dv_> ok
[30-Aug-2010 06:43:50] <forsberg> aclark hey :>
[30-Aug-2010 06:44:18] <forsberg> anyways, just wondered how it was with the Data.fs.old file
[30-Aug-2010 06:44:21] <forsberg> if i could just delete uit
[30-Aug-2010 06:44:47] <aclark> forsberg: assuming you are sure you don't need it… as a backup.
[30-Aug-2010 06:44:59] <aclark> forsberg: it gets created by repozo, i think
[30-Aug-2010 06:45:12] <forsberg> ok, not sure what repozo is
[30-Aug-2010 06:45:37] <forsberg> last time something wrote to it was 01:49, 12 hours ago
[30-Aug-2010 06:50:36] <dv_> i restarted the zenoss stack, and I still get that line
[30-Aug-2010 06:50:46] <dv_> the pack name is just this: "broken"
[30-Aug-2010 06:51:01] <dv_> and I cannot even select it
[30-Aug-2010 06:53:42] <dv_> something is very wrong. I cannot install new zenpacks anymore.
[30-Aug-2010 06:53:52] <dv_> is there any way to forcefully purge any existing zenpacks?
[30-Aug-2010 06:54:14] <Simon4> dv_: you could try zenpack --remove=zenpackName on the commandline as the zenoss user
[30-Aug-2010 06:55:59] <dv_> is zenpack supposed to take a while to run?
[30-Aug-2010 06:56:21] <dv_> oh
[30-Aug-2010 06:56:24] <dv_> "ERROR:zen.ZenPackCmd:zenpack command failed" :O
[30-Aug-2010 06:58:26] <dv_> ah, forget it. somehow a unicode character got into the cmdline. but zenpack --list doesnt show anything. hmm. weird.
[30-Aug-2010 06:58:46] <Simon4> hmm, try with -v 10 on the commandline and see if you get any more
[30-Aug-2010 06:59:34] <dv_> but zenpack --list takes a long time to run. is this normal? or should it return immediately?
[30-Aug-2010 06:59:57] <dv_> no, -v 10 doesnt show up anything either
[30-Aug-2010 07:00:21] <dv_> wtf? the "broken" line just disappeared??
[30-Aug-2010 07:01:07] <dv_> ok guys, disregard any previous questions, my system is apparently haunted. :)
[30-Aug-2010 07:01:12] <Simon4> :)
[30-Aug-2010 07:15:11] <dv_> this is interesting. installing zenpacks fails when using the gui. the zenpack just doesnt show up, neither in the gui nor with zenpack -v 10 --list
[30-Aug-2010 07:15:20] <dv_> BUT, it works fine when I install it using zenpack --install
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[30-Aug-2010 08:55:30] Guest52681 is now known as SEJeff_work
[30-Aug-2010 09:06:12] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[30-Aug-2010 09:15:31] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[30-Aug-2010 09:38:44] <movedir> Question: I am using an httpmonitor,
[30-Aug-2010 09:38:58] <movedir> Does that automatically fail on 500's
[30-Aug-2010 10:06:07] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[30-Aug-2010 10:37:09] <chachan> hi everyone, I have a question with nagios plugin output format
[30-Aug-2010 10:37:53] <chachan> if I would like to print more than one output, I could be consider as many outputs?
[30-Aug-2010 10:38:24] <chachan> I mean, if I print two "warnings", does Zenoss get two events?
[30-Aug-2010 10:40:45] <mray> I think you'll have to use 2 plugins for 2 warnings
[30-Aug-2010 10:40:52] <chachan> Looking in nagios' doc I can't do it :(
[30-Aug-2010 10:41:08] <chachan> mray, yes, I think so
[30-Aug-2010 10:42:44] <chachan> the problem is that I need to get a list of items to check from a database, so it's not a fixed number
[30-Aug-2010 10:47:22] <chachan> ok, I already now how to resolve it, I'll make a list of items with problems and sending as text through summary field in just one event :D
[30-Aug-2010 10:59:36] <SEJeff_work> Simon4, Do you have a github account?
[30-Aug-2010 10:59:50] <mducharme-laptop> morning
[30-Aug-2010 10:59:56] <ericenns> morning
[30-Aug-2010 11:04:40] <Simon4> SEJeff_work: yeah, shelson is me
[30-Aug-2010 11:09:12] <SEJeff_work> Simon4, No cool zenoss code to poke at. Too bad :)
[30-Aug-2010 11:09:29] <Simon4> SEJeff_work: yeah, I haven't used it very much at all - need to change that
[30-Aug-2010 11:09:57] * SEJeff_work is still drooling over using flot to do: http://lol.nzdance.net/ajaxgraphs.png
[30-Aug-2010 11:10:06] <SEJeff_work> So much faster and lighter weight
[30-Aug-2010 11:10:39] <Simon4> heh.. it's a holiday here today so I'm not in work mode, but I'll get it up/written up this week, promise :)
[30-Aug-2010 11:10:47] <SEJeff_work> No worries :)
[30-Aug-2010 11:14:59] <mray> SEJeff_work: that's nice looking
[30-Aug-2010 11:15:33] <SEJeff_work> mray, Maybe someday it can replace the renderserver wholesale
[30-Aug-2010 11:16:53] <nickanderson> Is anyone using zenoss to monitor solaris zones?
[30-Aug-2010 11:17:57] <LarsN> mray: you're going to be at OLF eh?
[30-Aug-2010 11:19:07] <mray> LarsN: indeed
[30-Aug-2010 11:19:33] <LarsN> mray: do I have to do anything special to sign up for the Friday class, or is showing up sufficient?
[30-Aug-2010 11:19:53] <LarsN> Also, if I bring beer, does that improve my chances of having questions answered? :)
[30-Aug-2010 11:20:07] <mray> LarsN: the EventBrite registration helps us get a proper headcount
[30-Aug-2010 11:20:33] <LarsN> registering now. :)
[30-Aug-2010 11:22:45] <LarsN> done.
[30-Aug-2010 11:25:27] <LarsN> Is the Zenoss Community unlike the Plone community? In the world of Plone, Beer is currency :)
[30-Aug-2010 11:26:28] <mray> beer is always good
[30-Aug-2010 11:27:38] <mducharme-laptop> ok well I've learned from much reading that now vmware uses CIM instead of SNMP for most management functions
[30-Aug-2010 11:27:55] <mducharme-laptop> so it should be possible to pull performance data using CIM
[30-Aug-2010 11:29:19] <mducharme-laptop> something makes me nervous though - it looks like the only described method for getting zenoss to use CIM is a zenpack written by some guy for zenoss 2.1 beta......
[30-Aug-2010 11:29:35] <mducharme-laptop> docs/DOC-2507;jsessionid=217C5C3575D7AE06CCAA81FE83AFA823.node0
[30-Aug-2010 11:29:45] <mducharme-laptop> er
[30-Aug-2010 11:29:49] <mducharme-laptop> docs/DOC-2507
[30-Aug-2010 11:30:36] <mducharme-laptop> that procedure makes me nervous from an upgradability standpoint
[30-Aug-2010 11:31:09] <mray> yeah, that's pretty old
[30-Aug-2010 11:31:33] <mray> VMware has an API, it's SOAP-based I believe
[30-Aug-2010 11:31:37] <mray> that's what Enterprise uses
[30-Aug-2010 11:31:57] * mray off to lunch
[30-Aug-2010 11:32:06] <ericenns> mducharme-laptop: yeah I have actually been trying to think of a way to grab info from cim for vmware
[30-Aug-2010 11:39:09] <mducharme-laptop> it appears that the performance info is not accessible via SOAP
[30-Aug-2010 11:39:10] <mducharme-laptop> only via CIM
[30-Aug-2010 11:39:22] <ericenns> oh ok
[30-Aug-2010 11:39:39] <mducharme-laptop> there are two soap api's
[30-Aug-2010 11:40:01] <mducharme-laptop> and neither have documented methods for pulling the performance
[30-Aug-2010 11:40:45] <mducharme-laptop> the actual config data for the vm can be pulled via the soap api
[30-Aug-2010 11:40:53] <mducharme-laptop> but that's not particularly helpful since it can be pulled via snmp too
[30-Aug-2010 12:05:29] <ericenns> mducharme-laptop: when you go to https://<esxhost>/sdk/vimService does anything display on the screen
[30-Aug-2010 13:04:03] <bigegor> mducharme-laptop: you can try WBEMDataSource.
[30-Aug-2010 13:05:42] <bigegor> WBEM is CIM-over-HTTP
[30-Aug-2010 14:04:28] <axelilly> I'm looking for some help in getting Zenoss to monitor if a process is running.
[30-Aug-2010 14:04:58] <nickanderson> http://ut06mon01.pso.netopia.com/zport/dmd/process+
[30-Aug-2010 14:05:12] <nickanderson> err the processes tab on infrastructure
[30-Aug-2010 14:05:27] <nickanderson> you can add proceses ther
[30-Aug-2010 14:05:28] <nickanderson> e
[30-Aug-2010 14:05:45] <nickanderson> but you really should try and monitor whatever service the processes provides
[30-Aug-2010 14:06:08] <axelilly> nickanderson: ok, so I added a process there: sshd
[30-Aug-2010 14:06:18] <axelilly> nickanderson: do I then add it to the device?
[30-Aug-2010 14:06:30] <nickanderson> mm it should be modeled on the device
[30-Aug-2010 14:06:36] <nickanderson> when it does its snmp walk
[30-Aug-2010 14:06:56] <axelilly> yea, that's the thing...when the device was modeled it did not show any processes
[30-Aug-2010 14:07:02] <axelilly> nickanderson: this is a linux box
[30-Aug-2010 14:07:46] <nickanderson> you probably need to modify your snmpd.conf
[30-Aug-2010 14:07:56] <axelilly> nickanderson: ok, I'll check on that
[30-Aug-2010 14:07:58] <nickanderson> so that there is access to the process tree
[30-Aug-2010 14:08:10] <nickanderson> look at the views
[30-Aug-2010 14:22:42] <axelilly> nickanderson: having trouble figuring out how to grant access to process view
[30-Aug-2010 14:33:52] <nickanderson> its probably not a great idea, but you can just copy the view line and grant access to .1
[30-Aug-2010 14:33:56] <nickanderson> (the whole treee)
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[30-Aug-2010 15:16:53] <axelilly> so, I added a windows machine to be monitored...but the modeling doesn't show much
[30-Aug-2010 15:17:00] <axelilly> I feel like I'm missing something here
[30-Aug-2010 15:17:10] <axelilly> does zenoss not speak WMI?
[30-Aug-2010 15:31:11] <st3v3o> afternoon
[30-Aug-2010 15:31:56] <st3v3o> does anyone have a solution for sending a message when an event is acknowledged ? or a workflow of how they currently use zenoss that they would mind sharing
[30-Aug-2010 15:34:09] <forsberg> zenoss alarm -> email -> alert system makes email2sms to the technician who has the duty -> technician accepts alarm in alert system and looks to zenoss what is wrong
[30-Aug-2010 15:34:35] <forsberg> 90% of the time its "false" alarm, something that comes up auto or whatever, and rest of the time he clears zenoss manually
[30-Aug-2010 15:35:03] <forsberg> its pretty much our small business flow
[30-Aug-2010 15:35:05] <forsberg> :)
[30-Aug-2010 15:36:28] <rmatte> k, so I have 3 different Zenoss servers that I'm enabling WMI monitoring for services on... 2 of them model the services perfectly fine...
[30-Aug-2010 15:36:51] <rmatte> one of them, despite the fact that I know WMI is working fine on the windows servers that I'm testing on...
[30-Aug-2010 15:36:57] <rmatte> and I know the credentials that I'm using are fine
[30-Aug-2010 15:37:09] <forsberg> check the log files on the windows machine ;>
[30-Aug-2010 15:37:10] <rmatte> and the same plugins and zProperties are configured as on the other 2 Zenoss servers
[30-Aug-2010 15:37:14] <forsberg> </trolle>
[30-Aug-2010 15:37:17] <rmatte> absolutely refuses to model
[30-Aug-2010 15:37:18] <st3v3o> rmatte all servers on same subnet ?
[30-Aug-2010 15:37:30] <rmatte> st3v3o: why would the subnet matter?
[30-Aug-2010 15:37:47] <st3v3o> maybe firewall blocking some of the ports that is used by DCOM for WMI ?
[30-Aug-2010 15:38:04] <st3v3o> if the zenoss server that is not working is on a different subnet
[30-Aug-2010 15:38:53] <rmatte> maybe... I guess I'd have to test with wmic
[30-Aug-2010 15:39:08] <st3v3o> just tossing something out there :)
[30-Aug-2010 15:40:50] <rmatte> yeh
[30-Aug-2010 15:42:33] <st3v3o> forsberg: Yeah I'm writing one up that goes something like …admin receives email/page, acknowledges the event, forwards email to admin list that event as been acknowledged, determines issue, adds solution to the log of the event/events. Clear message is sent
[30-Aug-2010 15:45:07] <forsberg> yeah, we dont use acknowledged in zenoss at all
[30-Aug-2010 15:45:50] <bigegor> rmatte: you can try wmiadap /f
[30-Aug-2010 15:46:02] <bigegor> rmatte: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa394528(VS.85).aspx
[30-Aug-2010 15:47:03] <rmatte> bigegor: k, I'll try that
[30-Aug-2010 15:48:23] <rmatte> hmmm, I'm trying wmic and I'm getting...
[30-Aug-2010 15:48:24] <rmatte> >
[30-Aug-2010 15:48:30] <rmatte> ERROR: Login to remote object.
[30-Aug-2010 15:48:30] <rmatte> NTSTATUS: NT code 0xc002001b - NT code 0xc002001b
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[30-Aug-2010 15:58:10] <st3v3o> can you schedule an outage in zenoss ?
[30-Aug-2010 15:59:07] <mray> st3v3o: in the Administration section for the Location/System/Group
[30-Aug-2010 15:59:16] <mray> Maintenance Windows
[30-Aug-2010 16:00:37] <rmatte> well, wmic tells me it's not a Zenoss problem
[30-Aug-2010 16:00:43] <rmatte> I'll have to work on it more tomorrow, I'm out
[30-Aug-2010 16:00:59] <gwb2352> does 3.0 allow admins of adnministered objects to schedule outages, or do you have to be a full Manager ?
[30-Aug-2010 16:03:37] <mray> gwb2352: not sure, I think they've tried to preserve whatever the behavior was in 2.5
[30-Aug-2010 16:03:57] <gwb2352> ok dokey, just an idle question. haven't looked at 3.0 in depth yet
[30-Aug-2010 16:04:11] <gwb2352> (would like to, just other project priorities)
[30-Aug-2010 17:02:21] <mray> Updated Cisco Adaptive Security Appliance ZenPack: docs/DOC-3465
[30-Aug-2010 17:44:48] <mray> Domain/SSL Certificate Expiration Monitor ZenPack updated: docs/DOC-4551
[30-Aug-2010 17:47:08] <aclark> w00t
[30-Aug-2010 17:49:13] <mray> later all
[30-Aug-2010 18:32:13] <nickanderson> So what happens when you add another device with the same ip?
[30-Aug-2010 18:32:51] <nickanderson> it dosnt error, but it also dosnt seem to be able to reference ${dev/manageIp}
[30-Aug-2010 18:39:57] <sytem> it should create error
[30-Aug-2010 18:44:00] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[30-Aug-2010 18:44:04] <nickanderson> I think it used to error when adding the device pre 3.0
[30-Aug-2010 18:44:09] <nickanderson> but no longer
[30-Aug-2010 19:32:36] <sytem> hmmm, what the xxxx is my zenprocess doing at the moment, data point rate 572k, when it is normally under 1000
[30-Aug-2010 21:56:23] <ckunkle> Anyone using the Domain/SSL cert expiration monitor?
[30-Aug-2010 22:11:04] LarsN_Away is now known as LarsN
[30-Aug-2010 22:25:41] <sytem> is there any way to combine more than on set of rule to one eventview?
[30-Aug-2010 22:27:16] <sytem> i would like to have view somethink like if (severity == crit and productionstate == prod ) or ( event is heartbeat) or (component == something and severity == warn)
[30-Aug-2010 22:28:31] <sytem> now i need to have 3 tabs open and monitor them all because there is no or-operator
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[31-Aug-2010 04:09:34] <dv_> hello
[31-Aug-2010 04:09:52] <dv_> is there any reason why I should choose /Server/Linux over /Server/SSH/Linux?
[31-Aug-2010 04:10:07] <dv_> (assuming I have an ssh server running of course)
[31-Aug-2010 04:10:31] <Simon4> server/ssh/linux is where you put devices that you want to model/monitor via ssh
[31-Aug-2010 04:10:37] <Simon4> server/linux is where you put ones to monitor via snmp
[31-Aug-2010 04:10:47] <dv_> oh. alright.
[31-Aug-2010 04:10:56] <dv_> so /Server/Linux is actually /Server/SNMP/Linux
[31-Aug-2010 04:11:08] <Simon4> basically
[31-Aug-2010 04:37:27] <dv_> hmm. where is the "action menu" in the device overview in zenoss 3?
[31-Aug-2010 04:37:42] <dv_> i need to bind a template, and the docs talk about such an action menu
[31-Aug-2010 04:39:29] <dv_> oh its in the bottom left corner now
[31-Aug-2010 07:56:23] <ericenns> Hey so I'm trying to add a datasource in a template other than SNMP and zenoss hangs and doesn't display other sources
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[31-Aug-2010 08:07:26] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[31-Aug-2010 08:17:29] <chachan> ericenns, did you create that template?
[31-Aug-2010 08:20:35] <ericenns> yes
[31-Aug-2010 08:21:13] <ericenns> its working now don't know why thought
[31-Aug-2010 08:50:15] LarsN_Away is now known as LarsN
[31-Aug-2010 09:44:28] <mray> FDS 389 LDAP Servers ZenPack updated: docs/DOC-5889
[31-Aug-2010 10:11:30] <st3v3o> I'm looking at the topic docs/DOC-5334 and trying to figure out where I can find an image for weather. Has anyone else done this ?
[31-Aug-2010 10:12:41] <mray> weather.com?
[31-Aug-2010 10:12:51] <mray> let me find my URL
[31-Aug-2010 10:13:14] <st3v3o> all the maps looks to use java..and I don't see a url I can use
[31-Aug-2010 10:13:15] <mray> http://icons-pe.wunderground.com/data/images/us_rd.gif
[31-Aug-2010 10:13:22] <mray> weather underground
[31-Aug-2010 10:13:32] <mray> it's kinda ugly, I just slapped it into a demo box
[31-Aug-2010 10:13:40] <mray> there's probably a better one somewhere else
[31-Aug-2010 10:13:59] <st3v3o> gotcha, I was looking to see if I could find one for the Washington DC area only
[31-Aug-2010 10:15:30] <mray> http://icons.wunderground.com/data/640x480/2xradarb5.gif
[31-Aug-2010 10:17:15] <mray> http://weather.yahoo.com/images/us_dca_metroradar_medium_usen.jpg
[31-Aug-2010 10:18:36] <st3v3o> thanks
[31-Aug-2010 10:18:47] <mray> http://wx2.msn.com/sym_6h_f-usde___-en-20100901180000.jpg
[31-Aug-2010 10:19:09] <mray> some are prettier than others
[31-Aug-2010 10:19:23] <st3v3o> yeah the yahoo looks the most usful
[31-Aug-2010 10:19:25] <st3v3o> useful
[31-Aug-2010 10:19:57] <st3v3o> and I'm guessing that that this url will be updated every so often
[31-Aug-2010 10:20:06] <mray> yeah
[31-Aug-2010 10:34:37] fOrsberg is now known as forsberg
[31-Aug-2010 10:51:58] <st3v3o> is there anyway to configure the page in zenoss to send to an email address such as @txt.att.net
[31-Aug-2010 10:56:15] <frozty_sa> "the page"?
[31-Aug-2010 10:56:40] <st3v3o> pager settings..
[31-Aug-2010 10:57:13] <st3v3o> under the user profile..currently snpp command is used…I wondered if anyone had replaced it with mail
[31-Aug-2010 10:57:33] <st3v3o> so that you don't need a sim device to send txt
[31-Aug-2010 10:59:04] <eidolon> hi folks i'm looking for ideas on how to improve performance on our zenoss box. We're regularly getting 'server error' when browsing event history.
[31-Aug-2010 10:59:30] <eidolon> the machine is a dual xeon vm, showing load averages of 2-3 or so. the event browser is getting painful to use.
[31-Aug-2010 11:05:36] <fragfutter> eidolon: zenoss 2.5 or 3?
[31-Aug-2010 11:06:00] <fragfutter> eidolon: did you tune your mysql config?
[31-Aug-2010 11:06:07] <mray> st3v3o: why not just use the email field for the pager email?
[31-Aug-2010 11:06:08] <eidolon> 2.5
[31-Aug-2010 11:06:17] <eidolon> fragfutter: i'm not sure what that means.
[31-Aug-2010 11:06:22] <eidolon> (re: tuning the mysql config)
[31-Aug-2010 11:06:42] <fragfutter> almost any distribution delivers a mysql config that only fits for small systems
[31-Aug-2010 11:07:00] <mray> eidolon: there's this tuning guide: docs/DOC-4696
[31-Aug-2010 11:07:02] <fragfutter> as you complain about event history, the culprit is most likely mysql
[31-Aug-2010 11:07:02] <eidolon> is there a zenoss doc somewhere that...
[31-Aug-2010 11:07:04] <eidolon> ah, that :)
[31-Aug-2010 11:07:34] <fragfutter> . o O ( need to write a bot to replace mrays doc links ;)
[31-Aug-2010 11:07:40] <mray> this one gets updated occasionally: docs/DOC-2521
[31-Aug-2010 11:07:45] <eidolon> replace them with what?
[31-Aug-2010 11:07:56] <mray> LMGTFY?
[31-Aug-2010 11:08:12] <eidolon> heh
[31-Aug-2010 11:08:22] <mray> I just happen to spend all my time on the community site, so I'm pretty familiar with what's there
[31-Aug-2010 11:08:23] <eidolon> i'm pretty sure i changed the zenhub workers
[31-Aug-2010 11:08:56] <mray> we do need a good MySQL tuning doc at some point
[31-Aug-2010 11:08:58] <fragfutter> eidolon: 2521 point 7 will be yours to investigate
[31-Aug-2010 11:09:21] <fragfutter> mray: tuning mysql is so boring. just give it all the ram you can spare
[31-Aug-2010 11:09:35] <eidolon> ooo. none of those parameters are in my.cnf now
[31-Aug-2010 11:09:37] <eidolon> ah.. HAH
[31-Aug-2010 11:09:52] <fragfutter> mray: no complex joins or qeuries in zenoss, so not much to do.
[31-Aug-2010 11:09:53] <mray> yeah, we just use the vanilla settings, even in Enterprise
[31-Aug-2010 11:10:15] <Simon4> Tuning tip #1: don't let your db fill up with debug events
[31-Aug-2010 11:10:18] <eidolon> (this is enterprise, btw)
[31-Aug-2010 11:10:19] <mray> there will be massive speed improvements in the next release
[31-Aug-2010 11:10:22] <Simon4> Tuning tip #2: See tip #1
[31-Aug-2010 11:10:29] <fragfutter> Simon4: :)
[31-Aug-2010 11:11:15] <fragfutter> i think any distribution i used in the last years installs mysql optimized for 16MB of ram.
[31-Aug-2010 11:12:14] <fragfutter> one of my favourites was a developper who requested a bigger server. i changed the mysql settings, told him his environment has moved to a bigger machine and he was happy
[31-Aug-2010 11:13:21] <eidolon> hee. i've done that. engineering keeps giving us requests for stupid configurations. "Yeah, tomcat app, one war file. 8 CPUs, 16 gig ram!"
[31-Aug-2010 11:13:25] <mray> fragfutter: nice
[31-Aug-2010 11:13:34] <eidolon> "How about 2 cpus and 4gig. it's a vm, we'll add if you peg it."
[31-Aug-2010 11:21:21] <st3v3o> mray: Wanted to be able to create a rule set where warnings are sent via email and pages via txt
[31-Aug-2010 11:22:13] <mray> st3v3o: if the pager field is to restrictive, go with an Event Comand
[31-Aug-2010 11:22:19] <mray> Command that is
[31-Aug-2010 11:22:45] <st3v3o> what do you mean by event command
[31-Aug-2010 11:23:23] <mray> only the best way in Zenoss to send alerts! :p
[31-Aug-2010 11:23:24] <mray> docs/DOC-7738#d0e7291
[31-Aug-2010 11:24:14] <mray> you essentially get a shell call to do whatever you want in response to any particular events
[31-Aug-2010 11:24:46] <st3v3o> cool.
[31-Aug-2010 11:24:48] <mray> so you could do sms, paging, asterisk phone call, twitter post, RSS feed
[31-Aug-2010 11:24:54] <st3v3o> nice
[31-Aug-2010 11:24:58] <mray> (all real world examples)
[31-Aug-2010 11:25:02] <st3v3o> I'll pass on tweeting my alerts :P
[31-Aug-2010 11:25:18] <mray> http://twitter.com/devopsgameday
[31-Aug-2010 11:25:56] <fragfutter> mray: not realy, you want a phone call with a computerized voice telling you to move your a*** because some server crashed?
[31-Aug-2010 11:26:04] <mray> exactly
[31-Aug-2010 11:26:16] <mray> asterisk + festival + zenoss FTW!
[31-Aug-2010 11:26:39] <Simon4> "this is the asterisk server, your asterisk server is do......"
[31-Aug-2010 11:26:56] <mray> you can also do things like restart services, snapshot VMs, anything you can do via the command line
[31-Aug-2010 11:26:57] <st3v3o> has anyone used the event commandn to send out a message when an alerts is acknowledged ?
[31-Aug-2010 11:27:09] <st3v3o> * + festivial + zenoss would be sweet
[31-Aug-2010 11:28:36] <mray> in the Event Commands there's a Where clause for "Event State" and you can set " = Acknowledged"
[31-Aug-2010 11:29:37] * fragfutter is sure he prefers a pager
[31-Aug-2010 11:29:45] <fragfutter> (or sms)
[31-Aug-2010 11:30:23] <frozty_sa> Simon4: lulz at debug events
[31-Aug-2010 11:30:39] <Simon4> frozty_sa: they're so much my pet hate at the moment :)
[31-Aug-2010 11:30:39] <frozty_sa> st3v3o: you're a braver man than I
[31-Aug-2010 11:31:15] <frozty_sa> if you want to use festival for speaking alerts
[31-Aug-2010 11:31:23] <frozty_sa> then agian, perhaps you just don't get as many as I do
[31-Aug-2010 11:38:23] * mray off to lunch
[31-Aug-2010 11:58:02] <ericenns> mducharme: what had you manage to grab from esxi
[31-Aug-2010 12:09:58] <frozty_sa> hmm
[31-Aug-2010 12:10:16] * frozty_sa ponders updating data-sources
[31-Aug-2010 12:10:52] <frozty_sa> if I want to update a DS based on an incoming SNMP trap, for instance..just wonder how much pain that would be through event transforms
[31-Aug-2010 12:11:15] <frozty_sa> I suppose someone else might have tried this before, too
[31-Aug-2010 12:17:35] <axelilly> does zenoss-core 3.0 have the ability to do WMI modeling built in or do I still need to install WMI zenpacks?
[31-Aug-2010 12:18:41] <mray> axelilly: Core just does services and event log, you'll need to add the WMI Data Source and other ZenPacks for more
[31-Aug-2010 12:19:14] <axelilly> mray: very good.
[31-Aug-2010 12:19:34] <axelilly> mray: also, I believe I just watched your video on getting started with Zenoss 3.0 today.
[31-Aug-2010 12:19:59] <axelilly> mray: if that was you, thanks for the great resource.
[31-Aug-2010 12:20:06] <mray> yeah, that one has some problems since my VM wouldn't work
[31-Aug-2010 12:20:19] <mray> but we'll re-record it next week
[31-Aug-2010 12:21:14] <axelilly> where do I go to view and edit the device classes?
[31-Aug-2010 12:22:25] <mray> on the Infrastructure tab
[31-Aug-2010 12:22:36] <mray> you can add new ones with the + on the bottom left
[31-Aug-2010 12:24:36] <axelilly> I guess actually what I'm trying to do is add a new windows machine that will be modeled and monitored via WMI. I installed WMIDataSource and WMIPerf_Windows but I'm unclear on what to do next, like where do I set the username and password credentials to use?
[31-Aug-2010 12:28:02] <mray> axelilly: those are in the Configuration Properties for either the Device Class or a specific device
[31-Aug-2010 12:28:34] <mray> depending on where you want to set it
[31-Aug-2010 12:28:49] <rmatte> does anyone in here have the fortinet-trap-mail-220 mib?
[31-Aug-2010 12:28:52] <mray> zWinPassword and zWinUser
[31-Aug-2010 12:29:18] <rmatte> fortinet require that you be a customer to download it
[31-Aug-2010 12:29:28] * rmatte rolls eyes
[31-Aug-2010 12:30:11] <mducharme-laptop> yes, I think I do, I am a customer
[31-Aug-2010 12:30:30] <rmatte> I would be extremely greatful if I could get that from you
[31-Aug-2010 12:30:30] <mducharme-laptop> what product is it for?
[31-Aug-2010 12:30:35] <mducharme-laptop> their mibs are arranged by product
[31-Aug-2010 12:30:39] <mducharme-laptop> I do not have it but I can download it
[31-Aug-2010 12:30:39] <rmatte> a fortimail mail filter
[31-Aug-2010 12:30:52] <rmatte> fortimail 100C to be specific
[31-Aug-2010 12:31:26] <rmatte> I don't know why they don't just release their Mibs publicly, it's ridiculous
[31-Aug-2010 12:31:27] <rmatte> lol
[31-Aug-2010 12:32:09] <mducharme-laptop> there are two mibs
[31-Aug-2010 12:32:12] <mducharme-laptop> do you want both?
[31-Aug-2010 12:32:23] <rmatte> I already managed to grab the first one
[31-Aug-2010 12:32:27] <rmatte> just need the second one
[31-Aug-2010 12:32:30] <rmatte> the trap one
[31-Aug-2010 12:33:48] <mducharme-laptop> ok, I sent them both to you anyway
[31-Aug-2010 12:33:48] <mducharme-laptop> heh
[31-Aug-2010 12:34:11] <rmatte> how did you send them?
[31-Aug-2010 12:34:14] <rmatte> email
[31-Aug-2010 12:34:15] <rmatte> ?
[31-Aug-2010 12:34:15] <mducharme-laptop> email
[31-Aug-2010 12:34:17] <mducharme-laptop> yup
[31-Aug-2010 12:34:18] <rmatte> thanks
[31-Aug-2010 12:35:48] <mducharme-laptop> hrm
[31-Aug-2010 12:35:58] <mducharme-laptop> I don't suppose any of you have turned on the asterisk snmp subagent with agentx
[31-Aug-2010 12:36:04] <mducharme-laptop> it doesn't seem to work for me :)
[31-Aug-2010 12:37:48] <axelilly> why when I'm viewing a device -> IP Services, if I highlight a IP service and then click the gear, 'monitor' is greyed out? I thought you could choose to monitor a IP service even only at the device level?
[31-Aug-2010 12:38:07] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: sorry, I don't use asterisk hehe
[31-Aug-2010 12:38:22] <mducharme-laptop> it's so frustrating
[31-Aug-2010 12:38:30] <rmatte> axelilly: you're supposed to be able to, yes
[31-Aug-2010 12:38:35] <mducharme-laptop> it uses an snmp subagent which is supposed to somehow plug into net-snmp
[31-Aug-2010 12:39:10] <axelilly> rmatte: does it work for you?
[31-Aug-2010 12:40:23] <rmatte> axelilly: I'm still using 2.5.2 on most of my Zenoss servers, let me see if I can check on my test server
[31-Aug-2010 12:41:05] <axelilly> rmatte: is there some way to force zenoss to do a check now instead of waiting for the check cycle?
[31-Aug-2010 12:42:09] <rmatte> axelilly: you could just delete it...
[31-Aug-2010 12:42:15] <rmatte> but yes, that shouldn't be greyed out
[31-Aug-2010 12:42:20] <rmatte> and it is for me as well
[31-Aug-2010 12:42:27] <axelilly> rmatte: bummer
[31-Aug-2010 12:42:33] <rmatte> do a check of what?
[31-Aug-2010 12:42:33] <axelilly> rmatte: I wonder if it's a bug
[31-Aug-2010 12:42:39] <rmatte> looks like a bug
[31-Aug-2010 12:42:43] <axelilly> rmatte: ah, force the collector to run
[31-Aug-2010 12:42:54] <rmatte> well, it depends on what specifically you're looking to collect
[31-Aug-2010 12:43:02] <rmatte> there are many different daemons that do collection
[31-Aug-2010 12:43:44] <axelilly> rmatte: actually WMI
[31-Aug-2010 12:48:18] <axelilly> it looks like this windows device is not getting any perf information through WMI.
[31-Aug-2010 13:10:18] <axelilly> I'm looking for some tips as to why WMIperf information is not showing up for a windows device.
[31-Aug-2010 13:16:39] <rmatte> mducharme-laptop: that mib worked like a charm, thankya
[31-Aug-2010 13:17:53] <rmatte> well, are you using Zenoss Core or Enterprise?
[31-Aug-2010 13:18:00] <rmatte> if Core, are you using Egor's WMI packs?
[31-Aug-2010 13:21:12] <rmatte> afk for a few
[31-Aug-2010 13:25:25] <axelilly> rmatte: I got the perf data from WMI now. Yea, I'm using Egor's
[31-Aug-2010 13:26:00] <axelilly> rmatte: where do you go to modify the threshold information for File Systems?
[31-Aug-2010 13:31:25] <axelilly> are monitoring thresholds only set in monitoring templates?
[31-Aug-2010 13:39:15] <rmatte> axelilly: yes
[31-Aug-2010 13:39:34] <rmatte> there's a FileSystems template in /Server
[31-Aug-2010 13:39:58] <sytem> it would be great if filesystem tresholds can be set via zproperties
[31-Aug-2010 13:40:20] <rmatte> why?
[31-Aug-2010 13:40:28] <rmatte> what difference would it make?
[31-Aug-2010 13:40:40] <rmatte> also, zProperties are at the device level, not at the filesystem level
[31-Aug-2010 13:40:47] <sytem> i need separete tresholds for different partitions and different customers
[31-Aug-2010 13:41:18] <rmatte> well, for different partition you just make a local copy of the template on the specific filesystem
[31-Aug-2010 13:41:22] <rmatte> then change the threshold on it
[31-Aug-2010 13:41:23] <sytem> for example customer a wants alert when /opt is 80% or /logs 50%
[31-Aug-2010 13:41:34] <rmatte> takes 2 seconds to do
[31-Aug-2010 13:41:47] <rmatte> well, how exactly are you defining your various customers?
[31-Aug-2010 13:42:42] <sytem> at the moment we are not monitoring disk spaces with zenoss, but we are plannig migrating that from our own system to zenoss
[31-Aug-2010 13:43:29] <axelilly> rmatte: where do I navigate to for filesystem thresholds? I'm not sure how to get there.
[31-Aug-2010 13:44:30] <sytem> every customer have its own folder hierarchy under /Systems
[31-Aug-2010 13:45:03] <sytem> there is /Systems/CustomerA/web and /Systems/CustomerA/db for example
[31-Aug-2010 13:45:07] <rmatte> I see
[31-Aug-2010 13:45:35] <rmatte> well, you could technically do it based on zProperties...
[31-Aug-2010 13:45:43] <sytem> at the moment we monitor these locally, script in cron and config-file in cfengine
[31-Aug-2010 13:46:08] <rmatte> let me just check something...
[31-Aug-2010 13:46:24] <rmatte> hmmm
[31-Aug-2010 13:46:34] <rmatte> zProperties won't help you since they only apply to device classes
[31-Aug-2010 13:46:40] <rmatte> they don't apply to systems, or groups
[31-Aug-2010 13:46:55] <axelilly> is there a way to change the icons that are displayed for a device type? like a linux device show tux, etc.
[31-Aug-2010 13:47:11] <rmatte> it does show tux
[31-Aug-2010 13:47:34] <rmatte> and those icons are hardcoded in, so I don't know how you'd do it off hand
[31-Aug-2010 13:47:35] <axelilly> rmatte: right...but if I wanted it to display a unicorn instead...or chunky bacon
[31-Aug-2010 13:47:58] <axelilly> rmatte: got it....should windows machines show the MS logo?
[31-Aug-2010 13:48:17] <rmatte> pretty sure they do
[31-Aug-2010 13:49:21] <rmatte> they are hardcoded based on what device class they are in
[31-Aug-2010 13:49:26] <axelilly> mine is showing a box with a ? in a circle
[31-Aug-2010 13:49:35] <rmatte> you're using the WMI packs then
[31-Aug-2010 13:49:37] <sytem> at the moment my plan to integration is to keep konfig and monitoring at hosts, and only route alarms via zenoss
[31-Aug-2010 13:49:48] <rmatte> your devices are in /Devices/CIM correct?
[31-Aug-2010 13:50:00] <axelilly> ah, ok...it's in a device class called CIM/WMI
[31-Aug-2010 13:50:07] <rmatte> yeh'
[31-Aug-2010 13:50:17] <rmatte> if they were in /Server/Windows you'd see the windows icon
[31-Aug-2010 13:50:25] <rmatte> but like I said, that's something hardcoded
[31-Aug-2010 13:50:27] <axelilly> got it
[31-Aug-2010 13:54:39] <axelilly> rmatte: how do I monitor a windows service? The windows service says status unknown. Again the monitor option is greyed out.
[31-Aug-2010 13:55:02] <rmatte> when you model the device it should automatically pick up all windows services and monitor them
[31-Aug-2010 13:55:13] <rmatte> provided your settings are correct and it has proper connectivity via WMI
[31-Aug-2010 13:55:48] <axelilly> it does pick them all up. but only MSSQLSERVER is monitored.
[31-Aug-2010 13:56:09] <rmatte> that's odd, it should be monitoring all of the system processes as well
[31-Aug-2010 13:56:17] <rmatte> I've never seen it decide to only monitor 1 sevices
[31-Aug-2010 13:56:19] <rmatte> service*
[31-Aug-2010 13:57:30] <rmatte> I'm monitoring a windows server via WMI on my 3.0.1 test box and it has all of the windows services modeled/monitored
[31-Aug-2010 13:58:02] <axelilly> strange, maybe someone messed with this.
[31-Aug-2010 13:58:10] <rmatte> by the way, the monitored column being blank is probably just a bug, I wouldn't use that as an indicator of what's monitored or not
[31-Aug-2010 13:58:15] <rmatte> if it's in the list it should be monitored
[31-Aug-2010 13:58:34] <rmatte> that interface is brand new and full of little annoyances
[31-Aug-2010 13:58:40] <rmatte> which is why I'm not using it yet
[31-Aug-2010 13:59:23] <rmatte> oh, I see what you mean, yeh, I only see a couple of windows services actually marked as monitored
[31-Aug-2010 13:59:27] <rmatte> looks like a bug to me
[31-Aug-2010 13:59:57] <axelilly> rmatte: yea
[31-Aug-2010 14:00:05] <rmatte> I'll have to ask Egor about that next time I see him
[31-Aug-2010 14:00:15] <rmatte> it might just be a problem with the services plugin in his ZenPack
[31-Aug-2010 14:02:18] <axelilly> rmatte: I'm looking at Infrastructure -> Windows Services -> WINSERVICE ... What does Inherit Value "No" from Services mean?
[31-Aug-2010 14:02:33] <axelilly> what does it mean by "Services"?
[31-Aug-2010 14:03:11] <rmatte> It means it's inheriting the value from higher up rather than it being set at that level
[31-Aug-2010 14:03:29] <axelilly> rmatte: what's the next higher level then that?
[31-Aug-2010 14:03:45] <rmatte> it's not accessible via the UI, like I said, it's a new UI, quirky
[31-Aug-2010 14:03:58] <rmatte> that is technically the top level as far as you're concerned
[31-Aug-2010 14:03:58] <axelilly> ah
[31-Aug-2010 14:04:10] <axelilly> well it sounds like it's getting the NO from there
[31-Aug-2010 14:04:14] <rmatte> it should say something like "The default value is no" or whatever
[31-Aug-2010 14:04:46] <rmatte> right, so set monitoring to true at the top level
[31-Aug-2010 14:04:52] <rmatte> and then everything will be monitored when you remodel
[31-Aug-2010 14:05:00] <axelilly> got it
[31-Aug-2010 14:05:05] <rmatte> though the fact that you can't manually enable it at the device level does appear to be a bug
[31-Aug-2010 14:06:14] <rmatte> In certain ways I like the new UI, and in other ways it's annoying lol
[31-Aug-2010 14:06:24] <rmatte> there are too many panels and no hide buttons for them for one thing
[31-Aug-2010 14:07:09] <rmatte> ah, changing that to true enabled monitoring of the services without having to remodel the device
[31-Aug-2010 14:07:14] <rmatte> so that appears to be the solution
[31-Aug-2010 14:08:32] <axelilly> rmatte: well, is it possible to change monitor thresholds at the device level?
[31-Aug-2010 14:09:12] <rmatte> thresholds are bound to templates... and there are different types of templates
[31-Aug-2010 14:09:16] <venturaville> does anyone know if there are plans for Zenoss to support the memory base RRD library?
[31-Aug-2010 14:09:20] <rmatte> there are device templates which are at the device level
[31-Aug-2010 14:09:24] <rmatte> there are interface templates
[31-Aug-2010 14:09:30] <rmatte> filesystem templates
[31-Aug-2010 14:09:32] <rmatte> os process templates
[31-Aug-2010 14:09:34] <rmatte> etc...
[31-Aug-2010 14:09:49] <rmatte> whatever level the template is at, you can create a local copy of it at that level and change the properties on the local copy
[31-Aug-2010 14:09:55] <rmatte> that's really the only way to do it
[31-Aug-2010 14:10:19] <axelilly> rmatte: how do you created a local copy?
[31-Aug-2010 14:10:38] <rmatte> axelilly: as an example for filesystems...
[31-Aug-2010 14:10:46] <rmatte> navigate to a device
[31-Aug-2010 14:11:00] <rmatte> select file systems from compoentns
[31-Aug-2010 14:11:03] <rmatte> components*
[31-Aug-2010 14:11:12] <rmatte> select a filesystem
[31-Aug-2010 14:11:25] <rmatte> in the dropdown "Display:" select Template
[31-Aug-2010 14:11:33] <rmatte> click the Create Local Copy button
[31-Aug-2010 14:11:40] <rmatte> then click on the template after it has been copied
[31-Aug-2010 14:12:05] <rmatte> then double click on the high disk usage threshold
[31-Aug-2010 14:12:21] <rmatte> you'll see a max value of here.totalBlocks * .9
[31-Aug-2010 14:12:27] <rmatte> which is 90% utilization
[31-Aug-2010 14:12:33] <rmatte> if you want to drop it to 80 you'd do...
[31-Aug-2010 14:12:36] <rmatte> here.totalBlocks * .8
[31-Aug-2010 14:12:44] <rmatte> or here.totalBlocks * .75 for 75
[31-Aug-2010 14:13:04] <axelilly> ah
[31-Aug-2010 14:28:43] <mrayzenoss> Fortigate SNMP Monitor ZenPack updated for 3.0: docs/DOC-3420
[31-Aug-2010 14:31:46] <forsberg> :P
[31-Aug-2010 14:49:19] <mducharme-laptop> mray has the default gateway detection been fixed for it yet
[31-Aug-2010 14:49:26] <mducharme-laptop> it's not a problem with the zenpack but it affects all fortigates
[31-Aug-2010 14:51:12] <mrayzenoss> beats me, I'm just pushing out patches from other folks
[31-Aug-2010 14:51:47] <mrayzenoss> speaking of which… http://github.com/zenoss/Community-Zenpacks should make it easier to manage patches
[31-Aug-2010 14:55:46] <mducharme-laptop> the only way to fix the issue to my knowledge is an extra line of code in InterfaceMap.py
[31-Aug-2010 14:55:52] <mducharme-laptop> which is obviously not part of the zenpack
[31-Aug-2010 14:56:02] <mducharme-laptop> I submitted a ticket a while back to have it added
[31-Aug-2010 15:04:41] <st3v3o1> So with parent child relationships how does zenoss know what nodes are connected to what switch ?
[31-Aug-2010 15:11:36] mrayzenoss is now known as mray
[31-Aug-2010 15:20:21] LarsN is now known as LarsN_Away
[31-Aug-2010 15:25:32] forsberg is now known as fOrsberg
[31-Aug-2010 15:44:25] <st3v3o1> has anyone modeled a gateway router devices with a large routing table….we can't seem to get it to work even with an excessive timeout period
[31-Aug-2010 15:48:14] <mouseclone> sweet, zenoss has an IRC. -- having trouble with fresh install on Debian 5.0.5 using the apt repo
[31-Aug-2010 15:48:40] <mouseclone> is this the correct place for problems?
[31-Aug-2010 15:48:46] <mray> sure
[31-Aug-2010 15:49:38] <mouseclone> after install I get Could not open required defaults file: /usr/local/zenoss/mysql/my.cnf when trying to start /etc/init.d/zenoss-stack
[31-Aug-2010 15:49:50] <mray> st3v3o1: I think you want to set zRouteMapCollectOnlyLocal to true
[31-Aug-2010 15:50:29] <mray> it's either that or zRouteMapCollectOnlyIndirect, I forget which turns off loading BGP routes
[31-Aug-2010 15:50:35] <mouseclone> It couldn't cp it during install. So I'm not sure where to start. I have mysql-server-5.0 installed from the debian repos as well
[31-Aug-2010 15:51:02] <mray> mouseclone: that's the problem
[31-Aug-2010 15:51:10] <mray> the zenoss installer installs mysql too
[31-Aug-2010 15:51:27] <mray> but not as a dependency
[31-Aug-2010 15:52:00] <mouseclone> oh .. I was getting errors before so that is why I installed it .. what about apache? is that a prereq or will it install that as well?
[31-Aug-2010 15:52:02] <mray> so if you're really attached to your previous mysql install, there are some command line options you can use with the stack installer. I think with the .deb you may be hosed
[31-Aug-2010 15:52:11] <mray> apache isn't needed or used
[31-Aug-2010 15:52:36] <mouseclone> ok well I will aptitude purge mysql-server-5.0
[31-Aug-2010 15:52:51] <mray> you might want to wipe the zenoss install too, then reinstall
[31-Aug-2010 15:53:00] <mouseclone> will do
[31-Aug-2010 15:53:01] <mray> the zenoss .deb is pretty dumb
[31-Aug-2010 15:53:09] <cgibbons> generous
[31-Aug-2010 15:53:13] <mray> I mean, it works with the happy path
[31-Aug-2010 15:53:17] <bzed> ;)
[31-Aug-2010 15:53:41] <mray> but it doesn't conform to any packaging standards ;p
[31-Aug-2010 16:00:44] <mouseclone> is there away to 'trust' the zenoss-stack package? or just use -y --force-yes
[31-Aug-2010 16:01:45] <mouseclone> still can't find the file /usr/local/zenoss/mysql/my.cnf grrrr. should I just use the bin file?
[31-Aug-2010 16:02:25] <st3v3o1> mray: so is there a way to manually set a child relationship between a host and a layer 2 switch ?
[31-Aug-2010 16:02:51] <st3v3o1> for alerting suppression
[31-Aug-2010 16:05:33] <mray> st3v3o1: blogs/zenossblog/2009/05/28/tip-of-the-month-event-suppression
[31-Aug-2010 16:06:51] <mouseclone> mray: what is the best way to install: build, deb, bin, apt? apt doens't seem to be working for me.
[31-Aug-2010 16:07:09] <mray> the .bin is the easiest
[31-Aug-2010 16:07:33] <mray> install it as root
[31-Aug-2010 16:07:57] <mouseclone> mray: any reason why it is not built on a standard? I understand that it is not a paid version, but this much trouble does cause people to run away.
[31-Aug-2010 16:08:23] <mouseclone> mray: i don't know if your a rep for zenoss or not. I'm just saying.. will keep bitching to myself.. thx for the help
[31-Aug-2010 16:08:32] <mray> I'm the Community Manager :)
[31-Aug-2010 16:08:46] <mouseclone> kewl beans.
[31-Aug-2010 16:09:01] <mray> so the stack installer was the easiest way to get as many Linux distros at a time (and OS X)
[31-Aug-2010 16:09:16] <st3v3o1> mray: This might be more what I'm thinking to map devices to a layer 2 switch so that it doesn't look like everything is hanging off my core switch
[31-Aug-2010 16:09:17] <st3v3o1> docs/DOC-3231
[31-Aug-2010 16:09:39] <st3v3o1> Is this a unrecommended option ?
[31-Aug-2010 16:10:36] <mray> st3v3o1: no, I think that works
[31-Aug-2010 16:11:03] <mray> you might want docs/DOC-3238 too
[31-Aug-2010 16:11:20] <mray> that shows what zenoss thinks your topology looks like
[31-Aug-2010 16:15:29] <st3v3o1> that script doesn't seem to work
[31-Aug-2010 16:16:02] <mray> nuts
[31-Aug-2010 16:19:41] <st3v3o1> ok got it …so this just shows the layer 3 path.
[31-Aug-2010 16:20:50] <st3v3o1> cool tool though
[31-Aug-2010 16:21:11] <mray> feel free to update the wiki page if you had to fix it
[31-Aug-2010 16:21:21] <st3v3o1> my device
[31-Aug-2010 16:21:54] <st3v3o1> is there any plans on implementing layer 2 child dependancies ?
[31-Aug-2010 16:22:01] <st3v3o1> is there == are there
[31-Aug-2010 16:22:16] <st3v3o1> GREAT grammer :P
[31-Aug-2010 16:22:39] <mray> it's a common request, I don't know what product management has in mind for the next release other than reporting and performance enhancements
[31-Aug-2010 16:22:55] <mray> they've been kinda wrapped up with vmware and cisco stuff lately
[31-Aug-2010 16:23:13] <st3v3o1> gotcha
[31-Aug-2010 16:24:52] <mouseclone> cisco is fun stuff to chew on.
[31-Aug-2010 16:26:07] <mouseclone> do you need to know python for the plugins to zenoss?
[31-Aug-2010 16:27:01] <mray> mouseclone: depends on your definition of plugins
[31-Aug-2010 16:27:10] <mray> if you mean command data sources, no
[31-Aug-2010 16:27:17] <mray> if you mean modeling plugins, yes
[31-Aug-2010 16:27:41] <mray> you can use perl/bash/c/ruby whatever for command data sources
[31-Aug-2010 16:27:59] <mray> nagios plugins and cacti plugins
[31-Aug-2010 16:29:39] <mouseclone> I'm going to have to do some reading. I don't understand 'data sources' i guess. currentlly to get page count and serial numbers from printers I manually do an snmpwalk. figure out the oids/mibs i need and put them into php site that runs a script and populates a db, would be cool to use zenoss for the same thing.
[31-Aug-2010 16:30:51] <mray> mouseclone: community/documentation/official_documentation/zenoss-guide/3.0.1, specifically zenoss-guide/3.0.1/ch06s02.html
[31-Aug-2010 16:31:16] <mray> mouseclone: you can reuse those OIDs with SNMP data sources, pulling performance data and graphing it
[31-Aug-2010 16:31:38] <mray> a data source is just a way to get performance data into zenoss
[31-Aug-2010 16:32:04] <mray> out of the box there's SNMP and command data sources
[31-Aug-2010 16:32:39] <mray> with ZenPacks you can add JMX, WMI, Ganglia, memcache, lots of stuff
[31-Aug-2010 16:33:46] <mouseclone> oh cool..
[31-Aug-2010 16:34:05] <mray> speaking of ZenPacks, the MGE UPS ZenPack has been updated: docs/DOC-3375
[31-Aug-2010 16:34:24] <gwb2352> so for what you want to do, the simplest step is to create a template with SNMP data sources. very easy.
[31-Aug-2010 16:34:41] <gwb2352> then bind that template to the devices you want to query that snmp data from
[31-Aug-2010 16:35:21] <mray> mouseclone: I'm doing a Getting Started Webinar next week: community/about/webinars
[31-Aug-2010 16:38:27] <mouseclone> ok saved the links out.. will have to get to them tomorrow. time to head to the house.
[31-Aug-2010 16:38:35] <mray> later
[31-Aug-2010 16:38:35] <mouseclone> thanks for the infor
[31-Aug-2010 16:39:40] <mouseclone> next week.. ouch.. I planned on blowing glass all day.. will try to set an alarm to remind me to get off the torch..thanks...
